"Free-will" and God's Power to Save (Part 5)

Watch the newest sermon from Pastor Jeff Durbin for our series at Apologia Church on the Doctrines of Grace/the Five Points of Calvinism. This particular message is on "Irresistible Grace" or "Effectual Call" from TULIP. Does God have the power to save His elect people? What about the tradition of "free-will"? What does the Bible teach about how conversion takes place and God saves His people? Watch. Be encouraged. God is a powerful and sovereign Savior.
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[@gospeltruthsearcher3220]

This sermon touch me to home. My eyes have been open. I have a big decision to lead my family out of Mormonism. I pray God give me strength to do this. Thank you pastor Jeff and Dr white.

[@KIBOYG]

Praise God!

[@monew632]

Praise God! Praying for you and your family!

[@AFewPages]

Hallelujah! Thank God, He is working on your heart.

[@jeremiahzimmerman8499]

Prayers coming your way!!!

[@bradhouston4734]

One of the best comments that I have read! Praise God!!

[@KIBOYG]

I am the only Calvinist in our family. My father is the pastor of our Church. Our church is a pentecostal church that leans heavily on the prophetic. Even though our statement of faith doesn’t really state that our soteriology leans in either Arminianism or Calvinism but I have been in debates with my dad because of this thing called “free will”. Please pray for me.

[@ReformedTradesman]

I find myself being a Calvinist in a church where if it's mentioned, they look disgusted. Even the pastor himself. I listened to the way he preached Ephesians 1 and he completely dodged predestination. I was floored because of the impact Apologia had opened my eyes to this. It's so huge..how can this be overlooked? It's everything! My main point, I feel your isolation!

[@KIBOYG]

@@ReformedTradesman my dad reads Eph. 1 during communion and expounds almost every word in every sentence. All except the “predestined” part.

[@brandonengle9531]

@@ReformedTradesman predestined meaning God knows the past present and future. He knows who will be saved and who won't just by having all knowledge but His Grace is a free gift like it says in ephesians 2 to whoever believes (John 3:16). It wouldnt be a relationship or love if we have no choice but God forces His grace on us. I would agree with some of calvinism but free will does exist.

[@robertfishter2862]

@@brandonengle9531 John 1:12, 13 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

[@brandonengle9531]

@@robertfishter2862 exactly 👍 God saves I agree but to those who believed meaning there was a choice. He gave them the right to become children of God. John 3:16 all who believe will not perish. All John's gospel constantly called to believe and to show Jesus' diety. We are saved by Grace through Faith it is a gift (ephisians 2)Gods grace gives knowledge of His Son and to our acceptance we are saved. I'm not a robot and I have choices I make and by God's grace He gave me knowledge and understanding and I accepted the salvation that is freely given through our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@philadams4515]

I was a Calvinist before I heard of him. It was revealed by reading and the Holy Spirit. All glory to Him. Thanks Jeff.

[@bradhouston4734]

It’s crazy that after essentially 30 years of being a Christian, I am only now learning and accepting these Biblical truths!! Praise God! Now that I encounter the Bible with fresh eyes and ears, these verses seem SOOO obvious and indisputable! How can anyone argue against them?!? I still struggle with the issue of people being damned to Hell before birth...but Romans 9:10 directly slams us for even daring to question God’s decisions. Hard but beautiful truths

[@MikeTriedIt]

Hey Jeff. Was visiting my parents the other day and drove by your old karate studio on McQueen and Ray and thought about you. Googled you and found your KZbin channel. I know it’s been almost 15 years but I still think about the patience and discipline you taught my brother and I. Hope you’re doing well!

[@lydiarose6924]

This is the most powerful sermon I have ever heard. I am seeing the power of the gospel for the first time. Thank you so much for all you guys do.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Predestination is controversial in the church and even the word election turns people off. I for one am glad election and grace is true because if it wasn't I wouldn't be a Christian. There is absolutely no way I would stay in Christ if it wasn't all His work.

[@CBALLEN]

For those who die disbelieving in those things, they also die with out the spirit 1 Cor 2;14.

[@robertknight3354]

@@CBALLEN Yes but God is also at work in us. Meaning we are continually brought to truth through regeneration of the Spirit of God. Nobody starts on the same beginning point. If somebody truly has received the spirit they are a WORK. Not an immediate finished product. I'm just going to go out on this limb with you that you should not tie this verse into an open ended condemnation against brothers in Christ. It is likely we all die without full understanding. What are the things we must know when the Spirit is at work in us? Well a lot but specifically HOW we came to God I would NOT add to the list. That we MUST come, yes. That we cannot proceed WITHOUT Him as savior, yes. That He is Lord, yes. That His sacrifice is the means, yes. The details and methods .....we will see. I do believe that God picks us out. I think scripture plainly shows us. Yet, I do not take calvinism vs Armenianism as something we should condemn over. Doesn't seem applicable.

[@zach2980]

If Christianity is true, odds are that most of elected parent’s children aren’t. A heaven of those parents worshiping this elector is sick IMO.

[@robertknight3354]

@@zach2980 Theres no reason to make the claim you've just offered. As a Christian I can tell you with knowledge that there is no basis to say anything about how many of our children are NOT saved. Especially by a fool such as you are. There isn't much of a basis for YOU to say anything. Yet here you are fizzing about. If my children aren't saved it by no means will make the glory of God any less.

[@zach2980]

@@robertknight3354 aren’t few to end up in heaven? If any of ur children end up in hell, will heaven still be heavenly for you? Or does Jesus erase your memory of them?

[@abckids3476]

When God approached Moses or Abraham or Peter or Paul he never said would you like to accept Me as your Lord and savior today?

[@stevenmccallum4559]

I never used to think of myself a Calvinist but after studying the scriptures & asking the Lord to give me yes to see it all I can say is praise God. What an amazing God we have. He is so so good

[@jeremynethercutt206]

Praise God to him be all the glory!m in all our doing with your most gracious favor, further us with your continual help that in all our works that have begun that they may continue and end in you That we may glorify your holy name and finally by your mercy obtain everlasting life through Jesus Christ, our Lord

[@thechristianoutpost2769]

Aren't you glad God called you out of your slavery to sin to be made free from it in Christ. "The gospel is the power of God unto salvation". What a true statement. It truly saves. No man seeks him out but he calls them to himself and they come. I'm glad he called me out of my sin that I could not escape and payed the debt of those sins in full. "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." Amen

[@tracyanne667]

I need to listen to this at least 2 more times to let this powerful presentation of GODs truth wash over me and re-memorize the verses he quoted and importantly, where to find them!!

[@PunkEvangelist]

A reformed look into the Bible is like drinking water with ELECTrolytes

[@justchilling704]

More like drinking water with poison.

[@a-aron6724]

@@justchilling704 awesome man

[@robertfishter2862]

@@justchilling704 You need your eyes and ears opened.

[@justchilling704]

@@robertfishter2862 Good point that’s exactly what God did for me hence my repulsion towards Calvinism.

[@patrick555HEX]

I need Mercy jesus Son of David have Mercy on me!

[@MrNanonen]

“All of a sudden someone says, I’m kind of thirsty, I don’t know why, but I am thirsty”. Awesome sermon, love from down under 🇦🇺

[@kennethhamblett797]

i'm repenting from mormonism, catholicism n eastern orthodoxy. i apologise to lord jesus christ about my many wicked sins. i trust in christ, my severe mental illnesses makes me very paranoid. i would love to go to brick n morter church, but my physical illnesses is so great, i have 'accidents.' i accepted christ since age 3. circumstances in life led me to alternate lifestyles of bi polyamory. i am repenting. i been through a lot in life. i love christ with my heart. please pray 4 me. great sermon btw. brotherly hugs 4 everyone. oh, i need to learn to forgive myself.

[@kennethhamblett797]

@@fourteen00 thank you :)

[@monew632]

Hey! Praying for you, Kenneth.

[@joehouston2833]

Not repenting from Atheism? Islam? Hinduism?

[@kennethhamblett797]

@@monew632 thank you sister. :)

[@kennethhamblett797]

@@joehouston2833 i never professed being an atheist, muslim, nor hindu. i don't know why you replied like you did.

[@keithmaclean5206]

None of this was new to me (by the grace of God), but WOW, what a beautiful and powerful message. I sit here in tears thinking about how amazing God's grace is. Thank you Jeff for preaching this powerful word.

[@ProjectKneepads]

I grew up Mormon and left the church at age 25 (almost 5 years ago). I went atheist until January 2023. I read the Case for Christ because my girlfriend was a Christian (spoiler: she's now my wife) and I was "convinced". I called myself a Christian from that point, but I didn't really "feel" it. The evidence seemed to favor the fact that Jesus existed, but I was still spiritually dead. It wasn't until about a month ago that I got the call. I started studying grace and learned that even faith was not my own doing, but God's. It was like a revelation. My desires have been changing. I still sin, but I am very much convicted when I do. I want to share God's grace and call people to Jesus. The scriptures make sense. It's a truly humbling experience to know that this dead man is alive again with no reason other than that God willed it so.

[@CBALLEN]

The god who tries to save everyone and fails to do it, doesn't exist .God will save everyone who Christ died for, those who go to Hell don't belong to Christ.

[@stevenrivard9246]

That is a statement which shows you don't know anything about love. Be honest, tell me which of the following 3 statements actually portrays love... Then have the common sense to connect those attributes to God who IS love... 1. A man tries to impress a woman he cares about, then kidnaps the woman and forces her to be his wife if she rejects him. (Is that love?) 2. An engaged married couple plan to have over 10 children after they get married (They plan to adopt kids as well to have as many kids as possible). They also have the following plan... To lock up several of their children in the basement for the rest of their lives when they reach the age of 18 years old. This has nothing to do with anything the children say or do during their lifetime... It is preplanned that all odd numbered children in the order of their birth will be locked up at 18 years old... no matter what... with no hope at all. (Is that love?) 3. Someone of great wealth throws a banquet. He not only invites people he knows, but he sends his messengers to invite everyone they come across in society... especially the people of society that are disadvantaged. Anyone who responds to the invitation in an appropriate way is accepted and showered with grace and reward. (Is that love?) This should be so obvious. If you don't know how to reconcile God's sovereignty and foreknowledge with free will of people made in His image... then try Googling Christian MOLINISM. It's way more biblical than the false doctrines of Arminism or Calvinism

[@CBALLEN]

@@stevenrivard9246 Molinism fails simply because scripture teaches against it.When Adam fell he broke the spiritual bond between God and man, spiritual death happened when he sinned. This is why the natural man cannot know or understand spiritual things of God and why they claim that what I'm telling you is foolishness. 1 Cor 2:14

[@stevenrivard9246]

@@CBALLEN Are you too afraid to make a choice out of the 3 options available, which scenario accurately portrays love? ...Or are you simply pretending that you don't have the free will to make any choices in life? It's really such a simple choice to make. Are you really sure that you are spiritually alive if you can't discern what love actually is? PS: "The fall" actually implies the opposite of what you claim. - The fall talks about Adam and Eve having a CHOICE to accept or reject God; CHOOSE trust God, or believe the serpent; CHOOSE to follow God's way, or make up their own standards of good and evil.

[@CBALLEN]

@@stevenrivard9246 This is exactly the way Molinist believe. Someone delt God a few hands out of the deck and He had to pick a hand .God wrote all of human history before time, He wrote out all of our stories before time the way He wanted it written.

[@CBALLEN]

@@stevenrivard9246 Which way would God demonstrate all His attributes and Glorify Himself. 1 Save everyone and not demonstrate His wrath and justice? 2 Save none and not demonstrate His love, grace and mercy? 3 Save some and punish others and demonstrate His love, grace,mercy,wrath and justice?

[@The300ZXGuru]

any time Jesus ever spoke he always talked about the heart issue of man. Mans condition of the heart is wicked. we have a virus on our hard-drive and we can only carry out the commands of the virus. God is the only person that can reformat your hard-drive and put you back like you were in the garden perfect.

[@oceanopescayaventuras8205]

The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,(AK) 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.(AL) 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them,(AM) and they follow me.(AN) 28 I give them eternal life,(AO)

[@franklinbross2602]

Lose you books on Calvin's distortion of the Bible and just read the Bible . Especially John and Romans . They do not agree with the man made religion ( Calvinism ) I know I followed. John McArthur for almost 10 years .

[@Shana_Ann8510]

This sermon towards the end brought me to tears! The Gospel always does! ❤️

[@UpJesusnose]

Ear tickling used to make me feel great too. Then I started obeying Christ's doctrine and subsequently seeing him. Now, that's all that makes me happy.

[@UpJesusnose]

The church is full? Wherever there is a carcass there the vultures will gather.

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

Overcome our rebellion, yet the Calvinist says He made us without the ability to overcome. Well, unless you are the ones elected to overcome.

[@cloudx4541]

Great message. God is sovereign no matter what. Even in the parable of the sower. God will grant repentance and grace to some and then decide to choke them out so they fall away becoming reprobates. This brings ultimate glory to himself.

[@stevenrivard9246]

Go look up the parable of the great banquet/wedding feast. The invitation is sent out not only to people he knows, but anyone his messengers come across. Anyone who CHOOSES to respond to the invitation appropriately, he will not turn away. Arminism AND calvinism are BOTH wrong. Do yourself a favor and look up Christian MOLINISM... that's what's actually biblical

[@a-aron6724]

This is utterly wrong. 2 Peter says God is willing that none should perish..... Man doesn't read his Bible

[@cloudx4541]

@@a-aron6724 my apologies. I was being sarcastic and I realize that's not a good way to get a point across. I am provisionist who is against Calvinism.

[@a-aron6724]

@@cloudx4541 oh I get it now I just can't stand that view point because I've heard and seen others use it before

[@Andy-m8b]

Calvinism: The evil doctrine of disgrace.

[@deion312]

“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.” Matthew 7:24‭-‬27 ESV

[@michaelvait3153]

During these series, the pastor added tattoos on his arms three times. God clearly forbade believers to do this.

[@jacobrobinson2706]

Where does it say this brother

[@arliegage1380]

Had I refused the word of God( free will) I would not be Saved today!

[@jamalkhan3708]

Great message ✊❤️

[@Andy-m8b]

Durbin's doctrine of devils.

[@seanparadise8705]

Unbelievable how much wisdom I received from this teaching. All Glory to God! Jeff, it is undeniable. You are a powerful vessel for the gospel. Standing firm on the Truth of Gods Word. I pray He continues to sharpen and use you for His Glory. 🙏🏽

[@LillyMarz777]

Great sermon!

[@williamhernandez5688]

Its 1:27am here in NY. I feel the same exact way when people to teach grace properly. I honestly feel ofended. I feel all religions have many things in common including christianity but grace is really the main difference between God and all religions.

[@user-yd3uh4pz5e]

“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” ‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30‬:‭19‬ ‭NLT‬‬ Sounds like we have choices.

[@MrFahimself]

John 6: No one CAN come...unless "x" happens. If "x" happens, people CAN come. This does not mean they WILL. Unless you read Calvinism over the verse.

[@ApologiaStudios]

We noticed that you unfortunately left off the last part of that verse. Human tradition can be blinding.

[@MrFahimself]

@@ApologiaStudios "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day" John 6:44 This verse is about man having the inability to come until the "drawing" happens. When the "drawing" happens. It means people CAN come. It does not mean they WILL come. "and I will raise HIM up at the last day" is reference to those who come. ...Unless you read Calvinism over the verse. Grace and peace.

[@jmsto87]

Efe A. So Jesus will lose more than the son of perdition?

[@johnmyers3450]

@@MrFahimself When you say, "When the "drawing" happens. It means people CAN come. It does not mean they WILL come." you are contradicting the very words itself. It says, "and I will raise HIM up on the last day." Who is the "him" in the second clause? It is the SAME HIM in the first clause whom is drawn. You would need to demonstrate exegetically, contextually, and grammatically that the "him" in the first clause is different than the "him" in the second clause.

[@MrFahimself]

@@billyr9162 So what is it?

[@BarelyPreacherMan]

Durbin slaying it as usual.

[@a-aron6724]

No he's steadfast in his presuppositions and presents them well but he's defending his own view and interpretation of scripture. But we'll see I. The end

[@robertfishter2862]

@@a-aron6724 He read the scripture, did you hear it?

[@dustinnyblom7835]

@@a-aron6724 he exegetes scripture so yeah, it is the biblical interpretation

[@billbarrie551]

How many people believe God "knows" who won't believe in His Son

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Molonism, it's quite common

[@billbarrie551]

@@firingallcylinders2949 And if He "knows" (Matt 6:8) who will not believe (Jn 5:40) and knows they will perish (Matt 7:13) "WHY" would He create them (Ps 139:13-16) in the first place??? (Rom 9:22) Answer : (Rom 9:23; Eph 1:6)

[@CBALLEN]

@@billbarrie551 Yep,the answers are crystal clear in Romans 9,yet,most find themselves on the wrong side of Paul's argument because they want to claim God is not fair if He is in control of the clay.

[@billbarrie551]

@@CBALLEN Why can't God be God & do with "HIS" creation as He sees fit, I like to say they'll "all" be Calvinists when they get to heaven

[@MansterBear]

@@CBALLEN yea it’s funny when you see people say that Paul isn’t saying what he’s clearly saying in Romans 9. Then go on to present the exact argument that Paul anticipates and counters in Romans 9 lol

[@jewishbride5010]

Abba Father, in agreement with this whole message I bind the word of John 6:28-29, 2 corinthians 6:14, matthew 6:24 to believe in Christ is the way to be saved while I will not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever serving satan, in the name and by the blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah:" 28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe(A) in the one he has sent.”(B)"

[@zarzar527]

The False Man Made Doctrine of Free Will leaves out God and exalts what Carnal Man does as the reason why God will save us. Paul who was given MYSTERIES by the Risen Lord (Rom. 16:25) and reveled that through the power of the Holy Spirit that ALL will belive in Jesus and Confess his name. "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Phil. 2:9-11

[@KIBOYG]

My learning journey has led me to becoming a Calvinist. But my question is: Why is The Batman trailer in your Doctrines of Grace Playlist? That made me laugh so hard, Apologia 😂😂

[@JAWesquire373]

Keith Medina probably because they monetize their sermons

[@jahsog]

All glory be to God!!!

[@donhaddix3770]

Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will…In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.” Many people have a strong hostility to the doctrine of predestination. However, predestination is a biblical doctrine. The key is understanding what predestination means, biblically. The words translated “predestined” in the Scriptures referenced above are from the Greek word proorizo, which carries the meaning of “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” So, predestination is God determining certain things to occur ahead of time. What did God determine ahead of time? According to Romans 8:29-30, God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likeness of His Son, be called, justified, and glorified. Numerous scriptures refer to believers in Christ being chosen (Matthew 24:22, 31; Mark 13:20, 27; Romans 8:33, 9:11, 11:5-7, 28; Ephesians 1:11; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 1 Timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:10; Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2:9; 2 Peter 1:10). Predestination is the biblical doctrine that God in His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved. Predestination is an explicitly biblical doctrine. Yet the determination of predestination is not disconnected from the rest of God’s unchanging character (Malachi 3:6). It is connected to His foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), His love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and His plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5). God’s desire is that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). Predestination is personal and relational, not capricious. The most common objection to the doctrine of predestination is that it is unfair. Why would God choose certain individuals and not others? We must remember that no one deserves to be saved. We have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are all worthy of eternal punishment (Romans 6:23). As a result, God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend eternity in hell. However, God chooses to save some of us. He is not being unfair to those who are not chosen, because they are receiving what they deserve. God’s choosing to be gracious to some is not unfair to the others. No one deserves anything from God; therefore, no one can object if he does not receive anything from God. An illustration would be a man randomly handing out money to five people in a crowd of twenty. Would the fifteen people who did not receive money be upset? Probably so. Do they have a right to be upset? No, they do not. Why? Because the man did not owe anyone money. He simply decided to be gracious to some. If God is choosing who is saved, doesn’t that undermine our free will to choose and believe in Christ? The Bible says that we have the choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). The Bible never describes God rejecting anyone who believes in Him or turning away anyone who is seeking Him (Deuteronomy 4:29). The truths of God’s sovereign predestination and also man’s responsibility are not mutually exclusive. Somehow, in the mystery of God, predestination works hand-in-hand with a person being drawn by God (John 6:44) and believing unto salvation (Romans 1:16). God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true. Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”

[@stevenrivard9246]

The whole Calvanism vs. Arminism conflict reminds me of the tension between God's Love/Forgiveness vs. His Justice/Judgment statements in the Old Testament. Of coarse God solved the apparent dilemma with Jesus taking on human flesh, living the perfect sinless life that we all fail to live, willingly dying on the cross to atone for the sin of the world, and defeating death by resurrection 3 days later. In a similar way, this tired Calvanism vs Arminism debate can easily be resolved... It's called Christian Molinism, look it up. Don't believe in Arminism, that clearly ignores God's sovereignty, foreknowledge, and the bible verses about God knowing the end from the beginning. And don't dare be a Calvinist. God is not some morbid tyrant, who planned to build a bunch of biological robots that would go defective, and pre-planned to fix some in the future while throwing the rest in the fire for his amusement. There are so many verses in the bible where God is angry at people for acting in evil ways, or not responding to Him or His message after He sends prophets to warn people to repent, or holding people accountable for their actions (Implying or downright saying that they should have acted otherwise). I could go on and on about how the Calvinist has to redefine what terms like love and justice mean in order to make their warped interpretation of the bible work... But just google CHRISTIAN MOLINISM so that you can have a 3rd option that is actually biblical, and decide for yourself. PS: Don't reply to this post if you've got nothing but man-made traditions or slogans that you want to regurgitate instead of actually taking the time to form coherent arguments. If you reply to this post without even looking to see what Christian Molonism is, are you actually being reasonable and fair?

[@CBALLEN]

The fact remains, the god who is trying to save people but can't is a false god,it doesn't exist.

[@takundadanha5250]

And molinism come on be serious man.

[@stevenrivard9246]

@@CBALLEN That is nothing more than a rhetorical slogan, purposely used to play on the emotions of people who have already been misled about this attack on God's holy name. God doesn't fail to save. He purposely set things up to give people a choice to accept or reject Him. Rejecting someone or acting like they don't even exist is called "hate." Willing and acting in the best interests of others, even your enemies, is called love.

[@stevenrivard9246]

@@takundadanha5250 - Acknowledging God's total sovereignty; - Recognizing that every time we choose to do evil, God will hold us accountable unless we repent and put our faith in Jesus; - Pointing out clear examples of God's knowledge of counter factuals in scripture; Yeah... How absurd and unbiblical of me. Put your great gift for interpreting scripture aside for a moment and tell me something.... When you see someone you REALLY care about who dies as an unbeliever (Like your adult child, or a parent, or a brother, or a sister, or a childhood friend, or a kind coworker)... How do you process that sad event? - Do you say to yourself... "God you are so good for never giving _______ a chance to repent. God I am really overwhelmed with praise for the way you planned from before creation for ______ blank to spend eternity in hell, even though scripture says you desire none to perish. - Or do you say to yourself... "It is so sad that someone I care about decided to reject God for their entire life, and now will be held accountable for their sin."

[@CBALLEN]

@@stevenrivard9246 Ahhhhhh, you know God does hate many people even before they are born,even before they have done anything good or bad.

[@scottleneau6221]

This doctrines of Grace series should be a playlist. I still haven't found all of the individual episodes.

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

What He is trying is is that He is the way, the truth and the life, that He is the light of the world and if you will follow me, I'm Lord and you're servant, I will lead you to eternal life. Why were the Apostles able to follow Jesus? Because He give them signs and wonders, for the are a wicked and adulterous nation. Not seeking after God and not being able to seek after God are not necessarily the same. I didn't seek after God because I was tge master of my own destination, just as the prodigal son that demanded his inheritance so that he could go his own way, and the father allowed him to. No one seeks after God because they inherited Lucifers, through the serpent, spirit. You have Good as the author of sinful man, that's heresy, not man having autonomy. That is PERMITTED for them to have by their soverign creator. That's right man can do nothing without God first allowing it, especially sin. Why? Love. If you love someone, let them go, He did and dies. To love is not possible without having autonomy to do so.

[@justice3043]

Romans 9 and Ephesians 1 are also a good proof text for the exegetical defense of the Divine truth of sovereign predestination I think I'm quoting James White when I say that but it's on the money

[@Adversary198]

If you can't accept the concept of GOD's grace, you never believed in Jesus, or the victory that he achieved on the across, from the beginning.

[@rayortiz6189]

not trying to pick a fight but wondering what you think--> would you say that arminians arent saved then?

[@a-aron6724]

It makes people look pretty bad when they make blanket statements like this. Obviously doesn't understand other views other than his Calvinistic drivel

[@matthewjason6992]

On the street right now! (First time, I might add)

[@friendlyfire7509]

How was it?what gave you the unction?

[@matthewjason6992]

Friendly Fire It was great. I do it often now. Doesn’t have to be a big production. Most of the time I just carry a few tract’s with me when I’m out and about doing whatever. As for the unction...Can’t help you there but I’d say if you pop $10 on 100 tracts you’ll be a lot closer to the starting line.

[@mc053143]

@Matthew Jason, could you recommend a bible tract resource?

[@MansterBear]

@@mc053143 living waters / way of the master has good tracts and great evangelism videos

[@deion312]

Leighton Flowers... here we come! 😀

[@cloudx4541]

@Wayne S No he doesn't.

[@CBALLEN]

@Wayne S Anyone who believes in conditional election has to believe in their works as the deciding factor.

[@dandeliontea7]

@@CBALLEN only if you subscribe to a post Augustinian/Reformed dichotomy of grace vs works.

[@cloudx4541]

@@CBALLEN you are setting up a false dichotomy which is something James White does.

[@CBALLEN]

@@cloudx4541 what false dichotomy?

[@TheBoomBoomBOOGIE]

Thank you for this! Is there a sermon outline with the verses mentioned?

[@tonya1802]

I'm now reformed thanks to God thru you Pastor Jeff and Dr and Pastor James white. My Pastor and church are not and the last two times he made a comment about Calvinism, he really is a good Pastor he just won't see it yet. One thing he said that destroys Calvinism is in Revelation, the book of life has everyone in it the people get their names out and that means that they were ALL saved but they didn't believe or something. I don't know what to say to that, Biblically, but I'm hoping someone on here can help me with it or even you Pastor Jeff if you read these. It does nothing to destroy my ability to now see the truth about God's Grace, I would just like to know the answer because I know there is one.

[@johnmyers3450]

Tonya Comeaux, What text is he referring to? If he is saying that every single person was chosen for salvation, then no, that is not exegetically defensible. Consider Ephesians 1:4 "just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him." In the original language, the direct object of the verb ἐξελέξατο (He chose) is ἡμᾶς (us). We are the direct object of God's choosing. Is "us" every single person who has ever lived? No, contextually, He is referring to the elect. God's elect were chosen as a group and as individuals before the creation of the world. Not every single person who has ever lived. I hope this helps Tonya.

[@monew632]

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[@mattbarrett9200]

I think that the Lamb’s Book of Life is actually a case FOR Calvinism. It was written “before the foundation of the world,” so the Lamb already foreknew each of the names of His chosen people. Hope this helps. God bless!

[@tonya1802]

@@mattbarrett9200 Thank you, it does help and I really appreciate the time you took to help me. God bless you.

[@tonya1802]

@@johnmyers3450 I'm not sure about the text he was referring to so I'm gonna go back and listen. I'm grateful for your help, it's so nice to have a family out there I will meet in person some day.

[@truth7416]

Do not tattoo your bodies like the pagans! Thought so.

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

My question is this: Did God predetermine Adam to disobey Him? Even though God said, "Do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil!

[@Terrylb285]

I don’t think he made Adam to disobey him like a preprogrammed robot but knew Adam would . It’s clear that redemption in Christ was predetermined before anything existed, 2 Tim 1:9. And when God said it’s not good for the man to be alone the Hebrew word that is used for the woman can be translated as military ally. Interesting subject on predestination and election. It’s too bad of the hostility on both sides of the subject. We (humans)are limited to just 4 dimensions at this time , and I think we won’t fully understand this until we are released from these 4 dimensions. But maybe I’m wrong ,there’s a good chance of that.

[@dahcargo]

John 6:44 4 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. God chooses who He will, this is the truth. We need to be encouraged for the rapture, this is truth.

[@CBALLEN]

Well,according to Jesus in John 6:44 the rapture is on the last day.

[@dahcargo]

@@CBALLEN This verse is highlighting the doctrine of sovereign election, point being that we are called and chosen by Him. Similar to the verse which says we didn't choose Him be chose us. Read 1 Thess.4/ John 14, 1 John 15 and then note that the CHURCH is not mentioned in the book of the Revelation when speaking about the Tribulation. We come back to this earth with Him at His second coming and rule with Him. These words are to Encourage us who were not saved unto the wrath of God 1 Thess. 5: 9,10.

[@CBALLEN]

@@dahcargo I don't believe God is going to pour out His wrath on His church,but He will give the beast power over believers to put us to death and yes,John 6;44 is speaking of God's sovereignty in salvation,but Jesus also is saying that all God has given Him ,He will raise up on the last day and we know that means first the dead and then those who are alive will be raised on the last day.I will say this though,if everything happens the way you believe,I won't have any problem changing my beliefs on the way up,lol.

[@dahcargo]

@@CBALLEN Believe in Christ and read the apostle to the Gentiles, the apostle Paul. If you're a Jew, then repent and be saved now. In Christ there is no distinction after salvation.

[@ryanhart3159]

Amen!!!🙏❤️. Jesus is the resurrection and the life!!! God alone make dead people alive again spiritually and physically!!!! Praise God alone!!!🙏❤️.

[@DJToooooooMAGA]

Yes Pastor Jeff D, as this was another awesome sermon. I want to sell all I have and come visit Arizona cuz God revealed to me a hidden mystery of WHY HE ALLOWED SIN INTO THE WORLD 🌎 So please respond to me if you're interested. Gbu Jeff M. ✝😎📖🗡 Ephesians 6:17

[@benjaminquick4750]

I was the 1000th like!

[@rodrocketon9480]

The more I watch and listen to these guys, the more they come off as a cult-like group. They described how they corrected some guy but he didn't accept it and therefore it made him evil. They seem lacking in humility. And the one question than no Calvinist can ever adequately answer is how a Christian couple can stand there holding a beautiful newborn but that child has already been assigned to hell with no hope of escape or salvation. They hem and haw and yada yada and go on about "we all deserve..." but after all of that: a Christian couple is still standing there holding a beautiful newborn child that has already been assigned to hell with no hope of escape or salvation. Absolutely is not just.

[@rodrocketon9480]

@helpme_ Incredible - so God just created the child to see him suffer? Then there is absolutely no use doing anything good. If the game is rigged to that degree - just have a good time and let it play out. You burn or you don't burn.

[@douglasmcnay644]

@@rodrocketon9480 Your assumption is that we don't deserve what is coming to us. The truth is we ALL deserve hell.

[@rodrocketon9480]

@@douglasmcnay644 So you are saying a newborn baby deserves to go to hell?

[@mel8469]

PREACH!❤

[@spartacusantipas4580]

Well done brother Jeff.

[@lhinton281]

I think this pastor's love for God and His grace is good. We must all repent and be conformed to the Truth. Agreed. There are some major problems and errors in this presentation. The Catholic Church has condemned both Pelagianism and "semi-Pelagianism." Regarding quoting the Fathers, there was a break in the comparison he made. Pastor Durbin said that Catholics would quote the fathers, fallible men, but implied he was reading the Scripture. We are all reading Scripture though. The Fathers were reading Scripture too (quite well, I might add). Do I believe what Chrysostom, Augustine, and Irenaeus taught from the Scripture or what Pastor Durbin teaches? The reason Catholics quote the Fathers (or should be quoting them!) is because some "prooftext" from the fathers to bolster their novel doctrines. Proof-texting does not consider the mind of the Fathers and Church led by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. For example, the pastor likes Athanasius as a defender of the Trinity and the deity of Christ. Amen. However, Athanasius was a bishop who swung incense, asked Mary for intercession, used his episcopal authority to delimit the canon, took part in an ecumenical council that had canons and dogmatic authority, etc. Did Athanasius know the Scriptures inside and out with the love of the Holy Trinity but err on every other doctrine and practice? Back to John 6, does this take into account how Jesus defines "those whom you have given me" (John 17:2, 6, 10-12)? Have any been lost according to Jesus (17:12)? Also, abiding in Christ is necessary to be raised on the last day (John 15:1-6). Speaking of Ephesians 2:5-10, God absolutely makes us alive in Christ by His free grace. He alone saves! He saves us by grace through faith. It does not say that God saves us (regeneration) and then we believe. We are saved through faith. A lot more to say, but that is a start.

[@trevorr5524]

AMENNNNNNN

[@jonathanfreeman4607]

Amen

[@UnderHisHand]

I've been listening to this guy's sermons for a few months now. Good teaching, but why the tattoos?

[@bridget1828]

What a beautiful sermon🙏. God bless you for articulating these biblical truths in such an easy to understand way😊

[@corbinclarke9795]

It’d be awesome to see Jeff debate Leighton Flowers

[@Shiloh3498]

Powerful sermon from a Powerful text! #john6=grace!

[@stephenm8233]

If God predestines those whom He calls, why doesn’t He call everyone to be saved? I totally understand the response that nobody deserves His mercy, but it makes me question His love.

[@JustinHonaker]

The better question is why does he choose to save ANYONE?

[@douglasmcnay644]

Because there are other key aspects of God's character that must be manifested, such as justice. God proves His own character by DOING. He never just says that He is good and holy and loving and just and merciful. He SHOWS these attributes. How can we know that He is holy unless He obliterates sin and evil? How can we know that He is the Righteous Judge if He has no one to condemn? If a judge lets everyone off the hook, even if some are guilty, then he is a bad judge. On the other hand, punishing everyone would be seen as too harsh. So He must punish the unrighteous and pardon the righteous. That is how we can know His character.

[@dande9981]

He is so difficult to follow and understand.

[@rayortiz6189]

most likely because a completely upside down view of Christianity was given to you. typically characterized by a high view of man, a low view of God, Jesus, and the word, and a reluctance to preach repentance

[@dande9981]

not sure of the whole calvinist thing. Yeshua said to go and make disciples. how does evangelism fit if its already pre determined?

[@rayortiz6189]

@@dande9981 why are you saying Yeshua? Anyway, because: •We are commanded to •Because it is the means God uses to call His sheep- "how will they hear unless a preacher is sent" (Romans 10:13-17) •Because "it is not him who wills or him who runs, but God who has mercy" (romans 9:16)-Meaning no one wills themself saved and no one can make someone saved by their efforts or persuasion. It is God who has mercy on whom he will have mercy (Romans 9:15)

[@oracleoftroy]

@@rayortiz6189 Good list, but don't forget "If you love me, obey my commandments." Calvinists love Jesus, so we obey his command to go to all the world and make disciples.

[@ryanperez8179]

Jesus is Lord Jesus loves you repent Jesus lives

[@dmustakasjr]

#Refreshing Thank you Pastor Durbin!

[@robhubbard5033]

Rarely do you see someone preaching with the Holy Spirit, plenty of them in Christianity "reading " the Word but very few teaching through and with the Holy Spirit. Great teacher and man of God. Bless you Brother, and may our Father Bless you and your work in Christ.

[@michaellloydmerichko9599]

Man, so good!

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

*JESUS is COMING SOON!* Around a year ago I was out riding my bike along a spot that I'm not too familiar with. I felt that "not home" feeling and didn't like it; I started to tell myself *"Well, Jesus is..."* and before I could finish it, my head turns to the right and sees a big sign in the grass: *"COMING SOON!"* - Quickly I burst into laughter at the timing of this. It was *seamless.* So I went home and called my mother on the phone and told her about it. She quickly said to me: *"That's confirmation!"* - As *soon as she said that,* the memory was brought to my conscious mind that I prayed *two days before* asking the Lord if He really told my mother: *"Soon, child, soon."*

[@theLuminaryAI]

According to all studies it IS happening soon. I personally believe there is very good evidence for 09/2021. God bless you all and keep you safe.

[@jesuschristbiblebiblestudy]

Amen.

[@michaelsamuels9901]

is this a paster ??? he looks like a biker not like church i remember in the 70s and 80s

[@a-aron6724]

Yeah he doesn't respect the house of God, he's very arrogant if you haven't noticed

[@douglasmcnay644]

@@a-aron6724 And judging a book by its cover isn't arrogant? Plenty of rough-looking customers (ex-bikers, ex-cons, and other's with tattoos, piercings, etc.) come to believe in Christ. Wisdom can come from even the most unlikely people. Preaching the truth is first and foremost. I would much rather be taught by someone who looks this way and is biblically and doctrinally sound than a clean-cut poser and heretic.

[@a-aron6724]

@@douglasmcnay644 but that's the issue Calvinism isn't biblically sound....

[@TheMrjt09]

Man I need a lot more help understanding these things. Jeff, have you considered a debate with Soteriology101?

[@christianuniversalist]

He’s too chicken. Flowers would pick him apart.

[@friendlyfire7509]

He's too busy picking his "choice deli meats".

[@JustinHonaker]

@@christianuniversalist Haha!! 😂 Not even close. Jeff Durbin for the win.

[@MansterBear]

James White debated Leighton and Jeff and James are in agreement on pretty much all theology, so that debate will be pretty close to Jeff vs leighton. Spoiler: James won pretty handily.

[@zagil30]

🙏🏻

[@beavispdx]

Calvinism is lazy Christianity

[@beavispdx]

@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC I don't find it appealing at all. I think it's gross.

[@gerardogomez-luna5766]

And the light shineth in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not.

[@melodykeogh]

nope. that wasn't my experience. no big born of god thing. just a child of filth and the presence of a saviour in the midst of filth. saved without the gospel being preached, but by His presence. Before Christ died on the Cross, He saved many.

[@oceanopescayaventuras8205]

You have to follow him , belive in him and listen to his voice. And they will never perish, but you will if you dont, its clear, its not Iam saved, he died for me I can get to do whatever I want.. he is very clear.

[@faustianjain]

This is where everyone is INCREDIBLY uneducated. Calvinism doesn't say "you can do whatever you want". If you have that mindset, clearly God has not drawn you to the grace of his son. You in your dead sin nature CANNOT follow Christ if God does not draw you. God saves you. It's 100% his doing and if you think any part of that amazing grace and mercy is accredited to you, you do not understand what he truly has done for you. This man preaches the gospel and extends people's knowledge of apologetics and exogesis.

[@oceanopescayaventuras8205]

@@faustianjain look up the debate between James white and Dr brown

[@delbert3539]

How do you know if “you” were give to Jesus?

[@cloudx4541]

You won't know until the end. Because predetermines everything he may cause some to fall away and become reprobates after receiving his grace. No matter what he is in control and it brings ultimate glory to himself.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

@@cloudx4541 I'm sorry I have to disagree. We can know before the last day. I know I'm elect because He opened my eyes to Christ and His sacrifice. I wouldn't go around telling people you can't know because then many people will doubt their salvation constantly questioning if they're among the chosen. I know I am because I trust in God's Word.

[@stevenrivard9246]

@@cloudx4541 False teacher. You're idea of God's glory is definitely not biblical.

[@theLuminaryAI]

GodSavedMe Stephen 1 John 5:13 Also funny you say that having a username like that :)

[@UpJesusnose]

Christ makes the distinction between his people and the outsiders in John 14. Christ lets you see his Omnipresent bearded face when you obey him. I prove it on my channel by literally highlighting many examples. Christ promised to show himself to those who obey him. I encourage you to obey Christ's Sermon On The Mount doctrine ( and every other word of his) with the power of his name. Christ will let you literally see him if you obey him, brother. John 14:18-22 18 I will not leave you as orphans;I will come to you.19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 ON THAT DAY YOU WILL REALIZE you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father,(I) and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

[@discjockeydoll9643]

Does anyone remember what Dr. James White put on his custom mask? I'm having one made and I cant comment on his videos so If figured I'd ask here. Thank you lol

[@justinrobicheau4788]

The Power of God! Awesome and thank you Pastor Jeff!

[@mabusharn3761]

I thought tattoos were forbidden in the bible?

[@JustinHonaker]

Read it again. Only a certain type of tattoo is prohibited.

[@jamesr6379]

I have a question. I have been witnessing a lot of arguments and debates. Can we lose salvation etc. what bothers me though is when we start calling each tares. No one can come to me unless The Father brings them to Me first. This may have answered my question already but here it is. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.-Romans 12:3-5 God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Is our faith a gift from God? If so then why argue over doctrine and label each other as tares? Is not His sovereignty and grace not greater than doctrine?

[@jtslev]

Here’s the key, we don’t know the hearts of others, we don’t have knowledge of the future, but what we do know is that God works on a timeline, through his creation. For all we know, something you or I say could be the very means that God has chosen to use in time to turn a heart to himself. God’s words and truth is life, so preaching his truth is vitally important, and making sure the right message is conveyed is why doctrine is so important. Hopefully this answers your question. God bless!

[@jamesr6379]

JT MULL that’s a very good answer and thank you. In such cases especially I believe He will give us the words. God bless.

[@Demolish_DoctrineRichardMadsen]

@ApologiaStudios @1:04:45 "...You do not want *fair* from God." The great pride in ourselves may lead us to think we should be culpable, but I would ask of you, which among us know all things concerning anything and, if God knows us would He not know that we are lacking in knowledge and perishing for lack of understanding and what Righteous Judge persecutes knowing that. Pray for fair from God and pray against fair from proudfull people, but do not impute your pride on God. Peace.

[@macbudy3439]

God-Yahweh is off flesh and bone, NOT made of Spirit. to say that he is spirit and not made of flesh and bone would invalidate scripture-prophecy the "body" must be "risen" after 3 days. period. period. Case in point per prophecy {of the forgiveness of Israel}, at the point of last days "Ben David" [genesis 49: 8-13] will appear before Israel and show him his "hands" and the "wounds" that are placed on it [ Nevi’im - Zechariah 13:6] this is ONE of many evidence for how Israel will now it is in fact "Ben David"; prior to this factual scripture prophecy that all the Jewish prophets hold to, they also point to one who will usher in "Ben David" the sounding of the trumpet [rams horn] preparing the progression of the restoration of the state of Israel..... recognition of Israel being a country of its own statehood..... rebuilding of the temple [tabernacle-temple mount]..... vailing of "Ben David" or what christians believe to be the 2nd coming. What ever book you read from to sight for you scripture must [by scripture law] line up with the old testament in a straight line of progression from Gen.-Rev..period. period. I have laid out scripture for you to read for yourself, I don't know what book you are reading from, because it has portion removed from it. Luke 24:34 ... 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; ‘a ghost does not have flesh and bones’, as you see I have.” 40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet; 44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” 45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. {And the seed of the tribe of the children of Israel came out of the vineyard} Ephraim - Nevi’im - Zechariah 6:12 And you shall speak to him, saying, "So said the Lord of Hosts, saying: Behold a man whose name is the shoot, who will spring up out of his place and build the Temple of the Lord. Ben Yosef [genesis 48:13-20; 49: 22-24] one who usher in, gathering of tribes, prior to rebuilding-recognition of Israel for restoration of tabernacle; time of formation Israel’s intra-bank - financial promise. Nevi’im - Zechariah 13:6 And one will say to him, "What are these wounds between your hands?" And he shall say, "That I was smitten in the house of my friends." Ben David [genesis 49: 8-13]

[@danieljdeleon873]

"Get me out of the way," he says, "so my individualist Calvinist Western biased can shine unadulterated on your people."

[@MrTnewell]

Jesus died on the cross, shed His blood, the supreme sacrifice - Atonement for our sins, whosever calls upon our Lord shall be saved, this is not a partial Atonement for a select few but to anyone that is that is covicted, drawn by the Holy Spirit, God is no respecter of persons, God draws everyone at a certain time and again and again, The Holy Spirit is like the wind, we dont Know where it comes from or were it goes , so is Holy Spirit, Chose this day whom will will serve. God"s mercy, grace, not anything we did but a gift from God

[@brucethorsen1826]

1).- According to calvinism GOD created a cherub predestinated to rebel himself and become Satan, so at the end Satan obey GOD doing what he was predestinated to do 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 which is a clear proof that calvinism indeed is a case for Satan and I'm pretty sure it was invented by him, to blame GOD of his behavior and portrait himself as a victim of his sovereignty. JESUS said "WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL BE SAVE" here believe is a verb and a verb is perform by a subject and the subject in this case is the person who is being challenge to believe in JESUS ... That's why the next verse 3:8 says: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth Not is condemned already, because he hath Not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. So the action of believe or believe not, is a decision made of who is being challenged by the challenger which in this case is GOD and in John 3:16 GOD is challenging the whole World. 2).- You calvinists are like mormons who believe in a different jesus , the jesus of calvinism challenge cripples to run and jump, the jesus of calvinism challenge the blind to read and to describe things as somebody who is able to see. But the true JESUS says in John 9:41 If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. JESUS said in: John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. .... How can you not see that JESUS is challenging them to believe in HIM ?? ... and how hypocrite you have to be in order to say that they were incapable to believe in HIM?? You calvinist have a different JESUS. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. JESUS is telling here that is they were read the prophets and learn what THE FATHER said through them, they will come to HIM, This is the same people whom JESUS told in John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. You calvinists have a different jesus, you're just a modern pharisees who put their traditions of men above the Words of JESUS.

[@ben.duffour]

Do you have any certainty that God works all things according to the counsel of His will? Ephesians 1:11 LSB [11] In Him, we also have been made an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, Does He have a plan for evil? Yeah. Romans 9:22-24 LSB [22] And what if God, wanting to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath having been prepared for destruction, [23] and in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory- [24] even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles? We dont need to agree but the vitriol you're spewing in the name of "Calvinists have a different Jesus" is pretty absurd. Stop it.

[@brucethorsen1826]

@@ben.duffour 1 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God in Christ are yea, and in Christ Amen, unto the glory of God by us. The promise of predestination is in Christ. Calvinism is a (men-center doctrine) according to calvinism you are predestinated before you believe in Christ. The Bible is a (CHRIST-CENTER DOCTRINE) where all the good promises of GOD are for those who are in CHRIST. 1Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in CHRIST, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Therefore according to the Bible to be count among of the predestinated you must be in CHRIST first, you must be born again first. Calvinism is as false as the devil himself, it blames GOD and favors satan, in calvinism GOD predestinated a Cherub to became satan. Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. As you see that Cherub was not predestinated to became Satan, but he did it out of his freewill, now his children go around denying the freewill of all men.

[@ben.duffour]

@@brucethorsen1826im not really interested in playing with a cage-stager so relax.The scriptures you gave dont contradict Calvinism in the least but its fine, you can have that.Do you contribute to your regeneration in any way? If yes, give scripture backing your point.

[@brucethorsen1826]

@@ben.duffour you are not really interested in defend the reputation of GOD. Calvinism is an hypocrite doctrine created by satan to excuse himself and blame GOD under the pretense exaltation of his Sovereignty.

[@ClickToPreview]

Anyone who listens intently to the great sum and total of Near Death Experience testimonies will have a real hard time NOT believing A) Jesus is the savior, B) Heaven and Hades exists, and C) God is sovereign over your destiny (after all, HE is the one who sends their soul back into their body against their own wishes). Never have I ever heard a person in their NDE testimony to say "Thy will be done" when they are being told "You have to go back". No, they try to persuade the One to stay in Paradise. Guess who wins that argument.

[@beautifulfeetpreachingsc]

In regards to Jeff’s post millennial view and the number of stars I don’t necessarily disagree with that if you consider the total number of people who have ever existed in all of humanity.Billions upon billions of people have lived so then if you look at the number of people who will be in the kingdom it would be a number to big to count. But I still lean heavily in a millennialism

[@beautifulfeetpreachingsc]

Oh boy Jeff, so what happens if you do come to an all millennial view? I don’t believe you would ever come to a pre-millennial view as I was before I came to an amillennial view. I don’t know if you remove the tattoo but you might have to explain. And I say this with jest knowing it’s not an essential doctrine

[@MansterBear]

What’s the link between tattoos and eschatological views?