Who Are The Elect?

[@janna.medina]

Thank you for enduring, Dr. White. Teared up at 40 mins as I am working my "day" job at night, so I can be with and homeschool my four children during the day. I am tired and weary, but God clearly uses people like you to encourage me to keep on.

[@ulsterscot]

Amen sister. Let's keep on keeping on

[@michaelblanks4284]

May God bless you for your effort

[@jackiewheeler9202]

I realize this is an older comment, but I just wanted to let you know that you’re an awesome mom. Your kiddos are so blessed to have you.

[@littleneedlesfarm6387]

Same here fellow mama. Working nights, to train my children during the day.

[@jody2873]

I've also wondered about this feeling of meaninglessness as I paint interior walls in houses where no one lives yet, with no human interaction, just to put color on a wall. Seems so useless sometimes. ... And then I recall, " and whatsoever you do, do so with all your heart as to working for the Lord, for it is the Lord Christ whom you serve and not man". That helps me👍

[@queenofclean5504]

I LOVE how you handle steering people to a local church! So VERY Biblical. AMEN

[@christinaburdette1689]

"Church" was employed by the King James translators to protect their own interests and to keep its readers from a proper understanding of the will of God. They were happy to let the people live in ignorance and superstition, so long as the church was able to keep its position of privilege. This word has created many false ideas, causing much confusion and division among religious people, even among those who are striving conscientiously to serve the great God of Heaven. The word "church" is not of God. It is the product of man's own theological imagination and abject bias. It is in a class with "Purgatory," "Easter," "Christmas," "Transubstantiation,'' "Eucharist," etc. For that matter, the same can be said of "Bishop" and "Deacon." www.wickedshepherds.com/ChapterOne.html

[@queenofclean5504]

@@christinaburdette1689 oh wow. Just read that. Its very discouraging to hear of all the ways the body of Christ has been lied to.

[@christinaburdette1689]

@@queenofclean5504 blessings to you. I found the truth not too long ago. It changed and explained so much about how the system has failed and deceived so. I felt conned. But my eyes and ears are open now. Christ said I will build MY Ekklesia which means a called out assembly by Him. He chooses the saints contributing to the Temple not made by human hands. The big elephant in the room and being deliberately ignored is the word church and it's practices and doctrines. We must discern and follow Christ. He promised He would teach us everything we need to know by His Holy Spirit. Blessings to you all as we follow His guidance in our lives. Acts 7 NMB 44 “Our ancestors had the tabernacle of the covenant law with them in the wilderness. It had been made as God directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen. 45 After receiving the tabernacle, our ancestors under Joshua brought it with them when they took the land from the nations God drove out before them. It remained in the land until the time of David, 46 who enjoyed God’s favor and asked that he might provide a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.[k]47 But it was Solomon who built a house for him. 48 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says: 49 “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be? 50 Has not my hand made all these things?’[l] 51 “You stiff-necked people! Your heartsand ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 52 Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute?They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him-53 you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.”

[@Bill_G]

@@christinaburdette1689 that sounds steeped in paranoia. Our Presbyterian hymnal has the song "I am the church, you are the church, we are the church together". That website's argument is a straw man.

[@christinaburdette1689]

@@Bill_G are you a pagan building?

[@SavedBySweetGrace]

I am a born-again Assyrian (Reformed Baptist) and I praise God for your bold preaching! What a blessing to watch you and learn about the truth in God's Word. Thank you for being so faithful to the Gospel.

[@andyhart9731]

What a pleasure it is to hear someone handle scripture so brilliantly. I pray with all my heart that the Lord will raise up many more preachers like James and Jeff. Please pray for the church in England. This kind of preaching is almost unheard of and it breaks my heart.

[@divinenatureonline]

Oh how I love how Dr. White brought that connection between evangelism and Godly motherhood. Mothers are placed here to be so powerful ministering that power of God in the Gospel to the future saints. Amen, Amen!

[@reynaldoperez7285]

(Ephesians 1:4). ("HE CHOSE US IN HIM) before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without defect before him" HE CHOSE US IN CHRIST, NOT US IN ADAM, NOT US IN MOSES, NOT US IN PAUL, ONLY US THAT ARE IN CHRIST. IF he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and without defect, why are we sinners, that need to be saved ? King James Bible EPHESIANS 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, (ACCORDING TO THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL,) ⬅️ Why would God need to adopt someone he predestined to be his child ? Now the question, WHAT IS GODS WILL?⬅️ Well let's see! Berean Literal Bible JOHN 6:40⬅️ (FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER,) that everyone beholding the Son and believing in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up in the last day." Wow, 🤗 the fathers will is that whoever believes will be saved, (According to the good pleasure of his will.) APART FROM GOD'S WILL, WHICH IS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS HIS SON THERE IS NO ELECTION TO SALVATION Yes, God knows who will accept his free gift of eternal life , yes he knows all things ahead of time . HERE'S ANOTHER VERSE: King James Bible JOHN 1:12 But as many as RECEIVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: IT CLEARLY SAYS AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM, AND BELIEVED ON HIS NAME.HE GAVE POWER TO BECOME SONS. BEREAN LITERAL BIBLE ROMAN'S 11:32 For God has bound (IMPRISONED) up all in disobedience, that He may show mercy to all. Berean Literal Bible JOHN 3:19 And this is the (JUDGEMENT,) that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light; for their deeds were evil. The JUDGEMENT IS THAT THEY REJECTED CHRIST, NOT THAT THEY WEREN'T ELECTED BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN. YES, BOTH DOCTRINES WHOSOEVER WILL, AND ELECTION ARE TRUE, BUT IF ONE IS INTERPRETED WRONG, IT CONTAMINATES THE WHOLE MESSAGE . Election , makes the power of the gospel Vain, IF NOT PRESENTED RIGHT. God did not create anyone for hell, they fitted themselves for destruction by rejecting Jesus. If election was true, God would always have know the ones he chose, but clearly There is people he didn't know, that now he Knows. For instance. English Standard Version EPHESIANS 2:12 REMEMBER THAT YOU WERE AT THAT TIME SEPARATED FROM CHRIST, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. IF WE WERE CHOSEN IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD HOW DID WE GET OUT OF HIM, SEPARATED FROM HIM. Berean Literal Bible EPHESIANS 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you, the ones once being far off, have become near by the blood of Christ. THESE WERE FAR OFF, HOW IF THEY WERE ELECTED? English Standard Version GALATIANS 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? GOD DIDN'T KNOW THESE BUT NOW HE DOES. SURELY GOD HAS ALWAYS KNOWN HIS OWN. Why would Paul give warnings, Telling people to make sure they were in the faith, if they were predestined. HE GAVE WARNINGS, SO THAT WE WOULD NOT TRUST IN ANYTHING BUT THE FINNISHED WORK OF CHRIST. WE ARE SAVE BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, ELECTED TO SALVATION IS ANOTHER GOSPEL. YES GOD HAS ALWAYS CHOSEN (ELECTED) PEOPLE FOR SERVICE . God predestined people who believe him to go to heaven, and people who don't believe him to go to hell. IT IS YOUR CHOICE. Simple, Whoever believed Whoever believes Whoever will come to believe are God's elect, chosen. Berean Literal Bible ROMAN'S 9:8 That is, the children of the flesh, these are not children of God; but the children of the promise are regarded as offspring. King James Bible 2nd thesolonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, (BECAUSE GOD HATH FROM THE BEGINNING CHOSEN YOU TO SALVATION ( THROUGH )SANCTIFICATION OF THE SPIRIT AND BELIEF OF THE TRUTH:) Wow, through BELEIF of the TRUTH, not election. There is only one way to be saved. The gospel is the power of God that leads To salvation. IF SOMEONE WAS SAVED,and SEALED BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN, THAT IS NOT CHRISTIANITY, NOT THE GOSPEL. God predestined his elect to be lost so that he can find them.well then now we know who started the hide and go seek game 🎮 😄. The Calvinist If you are not elect, the gospel has no power to save you, ACCORDING TO CALVINIST. Election makes the gospel powerless for Everyone except the elect. A gospel that makes the gospel powerless is no gospel at all. IF HE CHOSE US IN HIM, THEN HE DIDN'T CHOOSE THOSE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF HIM English Standard Version Acts 17:31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this (HE HAS GIVEN ASSURANCE TO ALL) by raising him from the dead.” NOW WHY WOULD HE GIVE ASSURANCE TO NON ELECT. SO THAT THEY CAN BE SURE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HELL, 🤔, NO, TIME TO RETHINK ELECTION. Berean Literal Bible ROMAN'S 5:2 through whom also (WE HAVE ACCESS) by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we boast in the hope of the glory of God. ACCESS BY FAITH, NOT ELECTION. Berean Literal Bible JOHN 5:40 and you are not willing to come to Me, that you may have life. JESUS INVITES ALL, BUT MANY REFUSE TO COME. Berean Literal Bible EPHESIANS 1:13 in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, New International Version 1ST CORINTHIANS 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. WOW, PLEASED THROUGH THE FOOLISHNESS OF WHAT WAS PREACHED, TO SAVE THOSE WHO BELIEVED, NOT THOSE ELECTED. At the end of the day, it's about those that believe in Jesus, the death burial and resurrection, according to the scriptures. But we must not be a stumbling block to those that want to come to Christ, I believe that CALVINISM is a false CHRISTIANITY. Titus 2:11, "FOR THE GRACE OF GOD APPEARED BRINGING SALVATION TO ALL PEOPLE." TO ALL MEN, NOT ONLY THE ELECT. King James Bible1st Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Berean Standard Bible ROMANS 8:29 For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. ? Who didn't God FOREKNOW ????????? GOD DID NOT PRESET THE HUMAN WILL, HE DID NOT DETERMINE OUR SALVATION LONG AGO. IF MAN WAS ELECTED TO SALVATION BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, THEN HE WAS BORN WITH THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE AND THEREFORE HAD NO NEED TO RECEIVE IT AGAIN. HE PREDESTINED US THAT BELIEVE TO BE ADOPTED SONS. Example, He chose us in him, Who is him? Christ is him. Ok he chose us in Christ! Who is in Christ? Christians ✝️ What did he choose us for,? To be holy, and blameless, and adopted. According to his will. So there was some already in him and some that needed to get in him Did Jesus predestined Peter to deny him 3 times? Or did he just know. 🤔 GOD. WHY SHOULD I LET YOU INTO MY KINGDOM? ME. BECAUSE I BELIEVED IN YOUR BELOVED SON, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE ONE WHO DIED WAS BURRIAL, AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON THE 3RD DAY. GOD. YEAH BUT, YOU WERE NOT ELECTED. (Predestined). SORRY, TIME TO RETHINK. CAN A MAN BE FORCED TO PERSEVERE, AND THAT BE CALLED GRACE. God IS NOT A RESPECTOR OF PERSONS, SO WHAT METHOD DID HE USE TO DETERMINE WHO GETS ELECTED. IF GOD ONLY PREDESTINE A FEW, HE DID NOT LOVE THE WORLD. HERE IS YOUR FOREKNOWLEDGE. Berean Standard Bible psalm 139:16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. GOD'S CONVERSATION WITH CAIN. New International Version GENESIS 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” NO DEPRAVITY HERE. ?, WHEN DID DEPRAVITY START? GOD, MADE AN INSTANT COVERING FOR ADAM AND EVE. LIKE THEY SAY, YOU GOT THE WRONG J C. JESUS CHRIST, WHOSOEVER WILL, COME. REGUARDING the word MANY, It means not all, and in every generation many have received the truth, and at the end, many would be them that got saved. Time to break the Calvinist spell my friend.

[@jarrettallen6758]

God needed to teach me about what the elect is, thank for this biblical teaching! That was clear as day

[@ezequielarce8079]

Same,been struggling whit this topic. Something that would puzzled me was that if God choose some therefore he condemns others. Reality is God never condemns no one. They reject Christ. Jhon 3:18 and there is many more examples in Bible. Gospel must still be preached and we must also compel them to come in,accept Christ now not tomorrow not one month from now but now. God bless

[@jarrettallen6758]

@@ezequielarce8079 absolutely agree 100%! As God been using me to spread the Gospel, its as clear as day to why someone rejects the Truth, it's not a intelligent issue, it's a heart issue and they don't want to submit. I am so thankful the Lord chose me, and it makes me humbled and ask the question, why me?

[@psysolipsist]

​@@jarrettallen6758because you believe. The elect are all those believe. "After that, which ye believed, ye were sealed with the holy spirit lf promise." God chose you because you believe and faith in Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross.

[@jarrettallen6758]

@psysolipsist hey thank you! I did end up learning about the elect, and I do believe it, but yes what you said is true

[@josiahpulemau6214]

Love it!!! Saved by Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone for the Glory of God alone. Amen!

[@jonathanestrada1859]

Josiah Pulemau imagine being born for the sole purpose of burning in hell forever after you die. That’s just terrifying to think about.

[@josiahpulemau6214]

@@jonathanestrada1859 Indeed it is. And how blind we were to that fact as we were in the world doing as the world does.

[@jonathanestrada1859]

Josiah Pulemau yea exactly!!! Gosh it’s just so scary. Like I feel afraid of my own father. Like what if that was me and God wanted me in hell. That haunts me.

[@jonathanestrada1859]

Lonnie Duncan nah dude you’re right but I was just acting dramatic to see if this guy would agree with it. It just proved a point to me that this is how most Calvinist think.

[@josiahpulemau6214]

@@jonathanestrada1859 What's that, to agree to double jeopardy?

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

Beautiful....📖🌷 Wow ...that's encouraging....💝 God Bless Dr. James White....💕

[@tarawells7590]

My salvation is by God's grace alone! ALL glory goes to the Lord! It was nothing of myself... it's NOT, "Lord, look what WE did.".. it's what HE DID FOR US!!

[@apilkey]

Tara Wells Amen it’s all Him! And freely believing and accepting His free gift of salvation actually enhances God’s glory because that’s the way Gods Sovereignly designed it. Reformers actually detract from God’s glory in a vain effort to somehow try and “preserve it” because they just can’t accept WHO God in His Sovereignty has chosen to save. Faith is a stumbling stone to them and they think it’s a work somehow if it’s freely exercised. They fight against what God’s decreed which is the exact opposite of glorifying to God.

[@apilkey]

John Doe Salvation is 100% God, 0% man. God gets all the glory. Salvation doesn’t take place until AFTER we freely believe. Reformers constantly conflate the two so I was just trying to point that out that bible believers also agree that it’s all God in salvation, we just don’t conflate freely believing with somehow saving oneself. A common misconception is that people believe faith is somehow part of that operation where in reality it’s not connected at all. It happens BEFORE the operation not during. Faith is not part of the operation. Just like driving yourself to the hospital isn’t part of a physical operation or surgery. The surgeon doesn’t drive to your house and pick you up and then take you to the hospital to have your surgery as part of the operation itself. A pilot doesn’t drive to your house and pick you up and then take you to the airport to catch your flight as part of the actual flight itself. In no way does driving yourself to the hospital or to the airport take any credit away from the surgeon or from the pilot. You can’t now claim that you helped perform your own surgery because you drive yourself to the hospital. You can’t now claim that you helped fly the airplane because you drive yourself to the airport. That’s a foolish and laughable argument along the exact same lines of the reformer’s argument that claims man freely exercising his faith somehow contributes to His salvation which it doesn’t. It’s just as foolish an argument as saying because you drove yourself to the hospital you can now also claim that you performed your own heart surgery.

[@dnlcast2]

@@apilkey We believe, BECAUSE God first opened our eyes and drew us to Him. We believe, because somehow, someway, God in His sovereignty, ELECTED us to believe.

[@apilkey]

James Bond You stated, “we believe because God first opened our eyes.” Do you have a scripture verse to support that claim? Are you saying we are born again so we can see to then believe? Please clarify as it sounds like you’re saying God opens our eyes to see so we can then have faith to believe.

[@uno23437]

He opened our eyes because we were willing to accept his calling. God looks for the willing minds to serve HIM. We can’t do it alone. Those who rejected him will not be chosen by God.

[@billbarrie6229]

Thanks, James You truly are a "blessing" to the Body of Christ

[@arnoldgarga7073]

This is amazing truth being preach from the word of God sir. God continue used you in preaching and teaching His word with integrity and confidence for the glory of God.

[@CBALLEN]

Great Biblical teaching found here.🎉

[@Mryungc88]

i wish you guys were out here in Sacramento. my goodness i love these preachings & i learn so much from this church.

[@anonymousduck8456]

Try Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento.

[@lbamusic]

Let's sum this up: - Eternal Sovereign God did not need nor receive our permission to Create us; If we are Saved, He didn't need to ask if we wanted to be Saved of our own free will; and when the appointed time that He Has set for our departure from this life arrives, He will not seek our permission or free will consent, to remove us from here. This is what it means to be THE Sovereign God and exalted Creator of the Universe !! This YT chatter is interesting but totally beside the point of Eternal God's Sovereignty and absolute Will.

[@dolleevarellano3944]

Amen. Praise God! Thank you for sound biblical teaching Dr. White.

[@MrHamsto24]

54:14 is a pretty key point. I once heard Sproul put it this way. Grace and mercy is non-justice, not injustice. Thank God He made the avenue for our justice on Calvary.

[@apilkey]

Jordan V God can’t be truly Just in the reformed view. Reformed theology makes a mockery and a perversion of God’s Justice. If someone is predetermined not to believe and still held accountable God cannot be truly Just I’m condemning that person to hell. Not according to me. Not according to you. But according to the scriptures and how God Himself defines Justice. God does not pervert justice. In fact he commands us to practice justice as well: JOB 8:3 3 DOTH GOD PERVERT JUDGMENT? or DOTH THE ALMIGHTY PERVERT JUSTICE? JOB 34:10-12 10 Therefore hearken unto me ye men of understanding: FAR BE IT FROM GOD, THAT HE SHOULD DO WICKEDNESS; AND FROM THE ALMIGHTY, THAT HE SHOULD COMMIT INIQUITY. 11 For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find ACCORDING TO HIS WAYS. 12 YEA, SURELY GOD WILL NOT DO WICKEDLY, NEITHER WILL THE ALMIGHTY PERVERT JUDGMENT. LEVITICUS 19:15 15 YE SHALL DO NO UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IN JUDGMENT: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but IN RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALT THOU JUDGE THY NEIGHBOUR.

[@apilkey]

Choice Meat Randy Was Judas’ free moral will violated and his moral decisions controlled or predetermined? The answer is no. Is there any passage of scripture that states otherwise? The answer is no. If you’re also implying that Judas did not have the same equal opportunity to believe in Christ and be saved, Are you also implying that after the crucifixion Judas could not have still repented? Nowhere in scripture does it state that. That’s a gross ASSUMPTION. Peter also betrayed Jesus 3x and was clearly still given a chance to repent. Was Judas any different? God FOREKNEW the evil in Judas’ hearts and the actions he would take and He used them to fulfill His preordained purpose. This does NOT mean that God decreed or “CAUSED” the evil intentions and actions of Judas’ heart. God predestined (pre-determined) that the crucifixion would occur. **All God had to do to bring this about was to give Jesus over to the power of those who ALREADY WANTED TO KILL HIM AT THE PROPER TIME. Including Judas. God did NOT have to control his will to hate Christ or want Him dead in order to do that. **God simply had to give Judas the opportunity to carry out his intentions; INTENTIONS THAT GOD IN NO WAY CAUSED OR DECREED. In the crucifixion, God foreknew what Judas would do, allowed him to do it, and decreed the outcome that Jesus would be crucified. In the case of Jesus being crucified, was that event an ‘evil’ event? Yes. Did God allow it? Yes. Did God foreknow it would occur? Yes. Did God ‘decree’ it or ‘predestine’ it to occur? Yes. God uses FOREKNOWN and evil choices to accomplish good whenever He wants. This does NOT mean He needs to control people’s wills and predetermine there free choices in order to accomplish this. God is not limited in being forced to predetermine people’s actions as being the only way to accomplish the ultimate purposes that He’s predetermined such as the crucifixion of His Son. Do you limit God’s Omnipotence in this way? God did not create Judas for the sole purpose of betraying Christ. God did not create Judas for destruction. God simply used him to accomplish His purposes without having to control his will. Is this an impossibility with your god? ...I also have a question for you... Did David kill Uriah the Hittite?

[@apilkey]

Choice Meat Randy it’s not a straight forward question it’s loaded with presuppositions. And the answer depends on what exactly you mean by predetermined to betray Him. Do you mean His will was violated? The answer is NO. The crucifixion was predetermined to take place FROM the foundation of the world. The free choices of men were NOT predetermined to ensure this happened. God simply used the free choices to accomplish His will. So no Judas was not predetermined before the foundation of the world in that regard to betray Jesus with no free choice of his own.

[@apilkey]

Choice Meat Randy No definitely not having a hard time the easy answer is no he was not predetermined in the sense that you believe he was, and that’s exactly why I needed to clarify and expose your hidden meanings and agenda. I could see right through you from the beginning in an effort to somehow trap me into saying something contrary to scripture. For the bible believer this is an easy question/answer, but to those who assign their own definitions to biblical terms and assume their own beliefs onto the text, this most definitely needs to be clarified so you don’t go on deceiving the minds of the simple into thinking that Judas had no chance of salvation and that his will always controlled. If I was only interested in being right I would not have even attempted to give any explanation, I would just have given my answer and told you that you are wrong. The very fact that I’m exposing your presuppositions is obviously making you uncomfortable. Like i said, I can see right through you and knew from the beginning you would try and use something like Acts 1:16 to somehow prove your point when all it does is confirm my previous points and everything I laid out that you most likely refused to meditate on it consider. Here’s what Acts 1:16 says: Acts 1:16 16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. So yes the scriptures needed to be fulfilled absolutely. I won’t re-post everything I already wrote, but the response is the same so perhaps you should re-read it. The scriptures were predetermined to be fulfilled yes absolutely. What you do is then make the quantum leap to assume that in order for the scriptures to be fulfilled this must absolutely necessitate the predetermining of Judas’ will as well because it would be impossible for Almighty God to fulfill the scriptures any other way. That’s a gross assumption on your part and one that is not supported by the text. You assume that just because an EVENT was predetermined, this also must mean that everything else needed to accomplish this EVENT was also meticulously controlled including the wills of men. Again, that’s an ASSUMPTION that needs to be exposed, hence my initial responses that are now proving to be accurate so there’s no need to re-write them.

[@MrHamsto24]

​@@apilkey What do you mean by perversion? If you are saying that Jesus's atonement fully pays for the wrongs of all who trust Him, then we agree. But if not, if God's just character is satisfied by the act of trusting alone, then obviously there is a perversion. Our sins would be unpaid and God would still not be satisfied. There are many scriptures describing believing as revelation, hence the metaphor of a veil being lifted in 2 Cor 3:14-18. Likewise with blindness, shall a blind man see by his own will? Why did Jesus condemn the pharisees in John 9:41? You see, everything starts at the nature of man. Is he totally blind? Or can he kind of see? Can a leopard kind of erase his spots? Can an Ethiopian kind of change his skin? Or are all of them dependent on the creating God to create something new? A man cannot kind of cause his birth as Jesus alludes in John 3. The new man must be born entirely of the Spirit, wholly dependent on God's own choice to restore spiritual eyes so he can see his need for a savior. Why would a just God do that for a person who has wronged him so? To who he owes nothing but justice for his sins? That, my friend, is what we mean by non-justice: grace.

[@maretahauma2718]

Amen! This sermon is so great and easily understood. Thank you Lord for preachers like this one. God bless your ministry!

[@graylad]

Though that is true and I appreciate the depth of your humility, you have been called and ordained to the office of Pastor by God to be a pastor, not just to your local congregation but to the church in general, you belong to the Church that being the entire body of Christ.

[@rickstark85]

That's why he's posting these videos lol

[@leemccurry4156]

You are a very smart, truthful , bold and blessed man!!! Amen 144000 was here 😉 the Elect ones

[@claudiushedrington752]

My 1st. Time listening at length, you are very,very good at what you do. You've done an excellent job in breaking it down and explaining it, making it plain for all hear and fully understand. Thank You brother and may God bless ans keep you for many years to come.

[@jody2873]

EXACTLY!- God had a "chosen people"- an elect people!... I didn't need someone to tell me that as that connection is totally clear, but sure is nice to hear it from this guy!

[@davidKeever]

Love Jeff's intro! GO TO CHURCH!

[@chantalkole7277]

Im learning things here. This is a very comprehensive study. I found this video as wanted to learn about the different between the "Gods elect" and "Gods sheep"

[@zaldycerna6634]

Zaldy Cerna, from the Philippines watching,listening,growing

[@betterthanlife499]

keep it up. kapatid

[@FAKKKKKKKKable]

Jesus is great 😊

[@billmartinn9851]

The elect are whosoever will, as taught by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, in Rev.22:17.

[@michaelgrijak8623]

You are correct. ALL of the elect WILL believe because they have been predestined to that end. There will be none of God's chosen who will end up falling through the cracks and into hell because it is not HIS WILL that they perish.

[@EvangelicalGospelEspanol]

One of the reasons we may not understand the doctrine of election is because we don't have the same mind of God. But God is wise and all powerful enough to know what He is doing.

[@reynaldoperez7285]

(Ephesians 1:4). ("HE CHOSE US IN HIM) before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without defect before him" HE CHOSE US IN CHRIST, NOT US IN ADAM, NOT US IN MOSES, NOT US IN PAUL, ONLY US THAT ARE IN CHRIST. IF he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and without defect, why are we sinners, that need to be saved ? King James Bible EPHESIANS 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, (ACCORDING TO THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL,) ⬅️ Why would God need to adopt someone he predestined to be his child ? Now the question, WHAT IS GODS WILL?⬅️ Well let's see! Berean Literal Bible JOHN 6:40⬅️ (FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER,) that everyone beholding the Son and believing in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up in the last day." Wow, 🤗 the fathers will is that whoever believes will be saved, (According to the good pleasure of his will.) APART FROM GOD'S WILL, WHICH IS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS HIS SON THERE IS NO ELECTION TO SALVATION Yes, God knows who will accept his free gift of eternal life , yes he knows all things ahead of time . HERE'S ANOTHER VERSE: King James Bible JOHN 1:12 But as many as RECEIVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: IT CLEARLY SAYS AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM, AND BELIEVED ON HIS NAME.HE GAVE POWER TO BECOME SONS. BEREAN LITERAL BIBLE ROMAN'S 11:32 For God has bound (IMPRISONED) up all in disobedience, that He may show mercy to all. Berean Literal Bible JOHN 3:19 And this is the (JUDGEMENT,) that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light; for their deeds were evil. The JUDGEMENT IS THAT THEY REJECTED CHRIST, NOT THAT THEY WEREN'T ELECTED BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN. YES, BOTH DOCTRINES WHOSOEVER WILL, AND ELECTION ARE TRUE, BUT IF ONE IS INTERPRETED WRONG, IT CONTAMINATES THE WHOLE MESSAGE . Election , makes the power of the gospel Vain, IF NOT PRESENTED RIGHT. God did not create anyone for hell, they fitted themselves for destruction by rejecting Jesus. If election was true, God would always have know the ones he chose, but clearly There is people he didn't know, that now he Knows. For instance. English Standard Version EPHESIANS 2:12 REMEMBER THAT YOU WERE AT THAT TIME SEPARATED FROM CHRIST, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. IF WE WERE CHOSEN IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD HOW DID WE GET OUT OF HIM, SEPARATED FROM HIM. Berean Literal Bible EPHESIANS 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you, the ones once being far off, have become near by the blood of Christ. THESE WERE FAR OFF, HOW IF THEY WERE ELECTED? English Standard Version GALATIANS 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? GOD DIDN'T KNOW THESE BUT NOW HE DOES. SURELY GOD HAS ALWAYS KNOWN HIS OWN. Why would Paul give warnings, Telling people to make sure they were in the faith, if they were predestined. HE GAVE WARNINGS, SO THAT WE WOULD NOT TRUST IN ANYTHING BUT THE FINNISHED WORK OF CHRIST. WE ARE SAVE BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, ELECTED TO SALVATION IS ANOTHER GOSPEL. YES GOD HAS ALWAYS CHOSEN (ELECTED) PEOPLE FOR SERVICE . God predestined people who believe him to go to heaven, and people who don't believe him to go to hell. IT IS YOUR CHOICE. Simple, Whoever believed Whoever believes Whoever will come to believe are God's elect, chosen. Berean Literal Bible ROMAN'S 9:8 That is, the children of the flesh, these are not children of God; but the children of the promise are regarded as offspring. King James Bible 2nd thesolonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, (BECAUSE GOD HATH FROM THE BEGINNING CHOSEN YOU TO SALVATION ( THROUGH )SANCTIFICATION OF THE SPIRIT AND BELIEF OF THE TRUTH:) Wow, through BELEIF of the TRUTH, not election. There is only one way to be saved. The gospel is the power of God that leads To salvation. IF SOMEONE WAS SAVED,and SEALED BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN, THAT IS NOT CHRISTIANITY, NOT THE GOSPEL. God predestined his elect to be lost so that he can find them.well then now we know who started the hide and go seek game 🎮 😄. The Calvinist If you are not elect, the gospel has no power to save you, ACCORDING TO CALVINIST. Election makes the gospel powerless for Everyone except the elect. A gospel that makes the gospel powerless is no gospel at all. IF HE CHOSE US IN HIM, THEN HE DIDN'T CHOOSE THOSE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF HIM English Standard Version Acts 17:31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this (HE HAS GIVEN ASSURANCE TO ALL) by raising him from the dead.” NOW WHY WOULD HE GIVE ASSURANCE TO NON ELECT. SO THAT THEY CAN BE SURE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HELL, 🤔, NO, TIME TO RETHINK ELECTION. Berean Literal Bible ROMAN'S 5:2 through whom also (WE HAVE ACCESS) by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we boast in the hope of the glory of God. ACCESS BY FAITH, NOT ELECTION. Berean Literal Bible JOHN 5:40 and you are not willing to come to Me, that you may have life. JESUS INVITES ALL, BUT MANY REFUSE TO COME. Berean Literal Bible EPHESIANS 1:13 in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, New International Version 1ST CORINTHIANS 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. WOW, PLEASED THROUGH THE FOOLISHNESS OF WHAT WAS PREACHED, TO SAVE THOSE WHO BELIEVED, NOT THOSE ELECTED. At the end of the day, it's about those that believe in Jesus, the death burial and resurrection, according to the scriptures. But we must not be a stumbling block to those that want to come to Christ, I believe that CALVINISM is a false CHRISTIANITY. Titus 2:11, "FOR THE GRACE OF GOD APPEARED BRINGING SALVATION TO ALL PEOPLE." TO ALL MEN, NOT ONLY THE ELECT. King James Bible1st Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Berean Standard Bible ROMANS 8:29 For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. ? Who didn't God FOREKNOW ????????? GOD DID NOT PRESET THE HUMAN WILL, HE DID NOT DETERMINE OUR SALVATION LONG AGO. IF MAN WAS ELECTED TO SALVATION BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, THEN HE WAS BORN WITH THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE AND THEREFORE HAD NO NEED TO RECEIVE IT AGAIN. HE PREDESTINED US THAT BELIEVE TO BE ADOPTED SONS. Example, He chose us in him, Who is him? Christ is him. Ok he chose us in Christ! Who is in Christ? Christians ✝️ What did he choose us for,? To be holy, and blameless, and adopted. According to his will. So there was some already in him and some that needed to get in him Did Jesus predestined Peter to deny him 3 times? Or did he just know. 🤔 GOD. WHY SHOULD I LET YOU INTO MY KINGDOM? ME. BECAUSE I BELIEVED IN YOUR BELOVED SON, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE ONE WHO DIED WAS BURRIAL, AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON THE 3RD DAY. GOD. YEAH BUT, YOU WERE NOT ELECTED. (Predestined). SORRY, TIME TO RETHINK. CAN A MAN BE FORCED TO PERSEVERE, AND THAT BE CALLED GRACE. God IS NOT A RESPECTOR OF PERSONS, SO WHAT METHOD DID HE USE TO DETERMINE WHO GETS ELECTED. IF GOD ONLY PREDESTINE A FEW, HE DID NOT LOVE THE WORLD. HERE IS YOUR FOREKNOWLEDGE. Berean Standard Bible psalm 139:16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. GOD'S CONVERSATION WITH CAIN. New International Version GENESIS 4:7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” NO DEPRAVITY HERE. ?, WHEN DID DEPRAVITY START? GOD, MADE AN INSTANT COVERING FOR ADAM AND EVE. LIKE THEY SAY, YOU GOT THE WRONG J C. JESUS CHRIST, WHOSOEVER WILL, COME. REGUARDING the word MANY, It means not all, and in every generation many have received the truth, and at the end, many would be them that got saved. Time to break the Calvinist spell my friend.

[@jimmyharrison5411]

Excellent word Dr. White, I have heard a good majority of your debates and Pastor Durban’s preachings. Love you guys!

[@Testifydesignfactory]

Really dude, calvinism is a doctrine from hell!

[@jimmyharrison5411]

@@Testifydesignfactory Really really dude, so God has NO control? People do not like Calvinism because it gives the human some control. Sorry God is Sovereign. Do me a favor and listen to Voddie Bachuum sermon on Predestination and Election and I would love to hear if you disagree with anything he said.

[@jimmyharrison5411]

@@Testifydesignfactory Hit me up after you hear this, brother, I could not disagree with ANYTHING he said: kzbin.info/www/bejne/enmWYqqrg9Sin9U

[@ernestojlassus1354]

@@Testifydesignfactory please, refrain from speaking ignorance.

[@nautilusmd]

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” Revelation 3:20‭-‬22 NIV

[@billwilmoth7444]

Im assuming this is used as a refutation against …...the autonomous free will of man????? if so remember context is key from an exegetical approach... which leads to a well rounded hermenutics . this in rev 3:20 is a message to the church …..not a group in bondage to sin but has been set free in Christ and are to repent of there sins as we are to everyday matt.6:9....I john ch.1 specifically verse 9...………..apologize for my spelling!lol

[@nautilusmd]

@@billwilmoth7444 Bill Wilmoth free will is given to us by God. Verse says anyone who opens... which implies a conscious action from a person. Those verses are directed not to the church but to our actions as a result of believing. When Bible speaks of elect it refers to the one who God new before hand would accept and remain grafted in the body of Christ! Many were called out just as Jews from bondage of Egipt but not all staid faithful and entered into rest (promised land. Basically those who are victorous those are elect!

[@billwilmoth7444]

greetings my friend! thank you for responding and would love to diolouge with you with respect and with patience ...meaning …...have patience with me ….lol! first I would ask you a simple question and let you reply …..in context who is Christ addressing in rev. 3? hope to hear from you soon be blessed!

[@nautilusmd]

@@billwilmoth7444 revelation 3:20-22 I believe is addressed to spiritual beings grafted in the Body of Christ! People who are not born again they are souleish carnal. The seed in the parables of the Bible I believe is the spiritual inner man in us that was dead but became alive through blood of Jesus that has power in spiritual realm. The Angel of the God of old testament is incarnated Christ in the New testament. The angel of the church is a spiritual principality that has power in spiritual realm over that church or region. Angels do not violate our freedom of choice given to us by God. Angels can stand against demonic principalities in spiritual realm not seen to us! So revelation 3 is addressed to Angels and to us (book of life)

[@hisglory3168]

@@nautilusmd Romans 9:10-13 the Apostle Paul clearly teaches that God does not predetermine man because of a choice of the man. No one can choose God.

[@jmitch9269]

The argument I get from people is that God looked down the tunnel of time and foreknew that they would make the choice for Him. But my response is “then that is not election. That is God’s choice was made on our choice. And God is not sovereign.

[@joannchamness3194]

Hallelujah ❤️ YHVH 🕊️ Yeshua Elohim YaH ❤️ YHVHSHI Adonai Hallelujah 🕊️💕 Amen 💖🇺🇲 Hallelujah 🕊️

[@joshuaborum4946]

Super good!

[@tng6510]

I needed to hear this.

[@dahcargo]

Amen, my precious brother. I've listened to my brother John MacArthur, RC and many others, and I've come to realize the truth of salvation.

[@doublev1454]

What is that truth my friend?

[@dahcargo]

@@doublev1454 Your question reminds me of the cynic Pilot. Jesus IS the truth. Peter was commended by Jesus when Peter replied to the question, "Who do you say that I am, to which Peter said, "You are the Christ, the son of the living God". If you know your bible, Jesus told peter that he was blessed because flesh and blood did NOT reveal that truth, if came from His Father in heaven. For the sake of brevity, I'll some it up this way; we have nothing to do for salvation, it is a gift of God. John 4:66 puts it this way; No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[@Kcg99]

AMEN!!!

[@studyscriptureonline]

I have been so blessed by your ministry. While I'm am trying to find a solid exegetical preaching church in my area, watching your church has helped me to have a plumbline to compare to the others I visit. We hope to retire in Arizona possibly someday, when that happens we will definitely be part of your church. I long all of Bahnsen's lectures and all of the other programs you have for All-access members. Thank you for all you do!!!

[@muddyboots7753]

If we say that we choose our own fate, we are saying that our will is equal to or more powerful than God's. Use the sovereignty of God, the attributes of God as the basis for understanding all doctrines. The option after this would be whether we want to accept God's sovereignty over us or not.

[@JakkWagon]

If God is sovereign we don't choose his sovereignty

[@LucianUmbrarescu1994]

40:30 precious words

[@lbamusic]

How do we know we are the Elect of God? Because as the old Hymn of the Church says, ".. and He walks with me and He talks with ne, and He tells me I am His own.....". Even a husband and wife cant achieve the 24/7 walk with our Creator, that the Elect of God have and enjoy. To His Elect He gives Mercy, to all others He gives Justice.

[@marioscicluna8094]

Amen

[@collectiveguidance1316]

I recently heard Timothy Keller describe being chosen not as someone who is Choice but as someone God is pursuing . That really resonated with me.

[@chazrussell6391]

Shout out to Grace Church of Willow Valley! Get plugged in to a local Church!!

[@ChefMackWhittier]

Lovely!!!!

[@jimbattles9642]

Ephesians declares that a Christian is Chosen before time began. Throughout the old testament God Chooses. He Chose Israel, a small insignificant people, Chose for them land forever, Chooses Kings. Scripture speaks of the Sovereignty of God. Proverbs has two very small verses that speak to this. verse 6 " In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps", and verse 33 "The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord." The Bible says we are all Dead in Sin. A dead man can do nothing of his own. God had to make you alive so that you can Choose. Salvation is only from God. Everyone has seen God's Glory around you.

[@jacobbengtson8044]

Very good ❤️🙏

[@wishuhadmyname]

In the course of a 30 min car-ride, I turned a friend of mine (who is a believer) from someone who despises pre-destination to someone who rejoiced in it. I say that "I" did it; all I did was walk him through Romans and Isaiah. He would ask a question, I would give Paul's answer, and he would say "Oh, that makes sense." Another question, another passage of scripture, another level of brightness of the light bulb over his head. By the end of the conversation, he said he knew God was big, but not *that* big that He knows and controls literally EVERYTHING. Throughout all of it, I was getting excited, almost like an adrenaline buzz at my own preaching(?) and at his realization of and joy in God's Truth. 3 days later, I'm still amazed that I saw Romans 1:16 happen in front of me

[@anonymousduck8456]

Predestination is a heresy from the pit of hell. There is nothing to rejoice about the false god of Calvinism that decides to send someone to hell before he creates them.

[@wishuhadmyname]

Anonymous Duck Such a notion is just as unfair and unjust as God deciding sending someone to Heaven before they are born

[@anonymousduck8456]

wishuhadmyname No, it's not. But that also a false teaching.

[@anonymousduck8456]

wishuhadmyname If God controls everything, then did God make Adam and Eve sin, therefore making God the author of sin?

[@wishuhadmyname]

Anonymous Duck Well He has to be the author of sin (if sin exists, it must have its origin in God as all things which exist do). But that’s not the same as causing people to sin

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

Jesus makes us special, we are nothing without Jesus. Yes, we choose him or perish. That makes God not the author of confusion. Confusions would be to tell you not to do something yet determined you to do the exact same thing He told you not to do!

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

That's why there is no unconditional grace. Because it is conditional, it is contingent on who you are fitted to. If you are not in Christ then you are condemned. Even in Christ, if you do not walk after the Spirit you will be taken from the flock, that's where falling away comes in. Every man is headed to destruction unless Jesus steps in. Romans 1:18-21 King James Version 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

[@bsoxfan03]

Love the fact that he said you need your sword drill bible.

[@agentmbca]

Awesome. Well said.

[@yochanantov5490]

The term CALLED in this particular parable is talking about comparing "the KINGDOM of HEAVEN" and who are they that will inherit such. The Word CHOSEN is a misinterpret word in error for the proper word, CHOOSE which is found in Matthew written in Hebrew. Not to be mistaken with Matthew being translated in Koine-Greek.

[@hunterdavis3667]

Had to ad a coment it had 666 coments

[@mtbeliever5833]

🤣 well done.

[@annodomini9412]

So how do I know I am predestined to be one of the elect? as this type of preaching is beyond my comprehension how do I understand. If I am not predestined what is the point of even trying to be a Christian? If I am not why not break all the commandments why should I live a life doing my best to live a life as Christ taught rather than self-centered completely?

[@travishanson166]

God loved everyone (John 3:16) those who Love Jesus/God (keep His commandments, Matthew, Mark) and were called (heard and believed) by the Gospel are the predestined or elect. God's love was the predestination, he would save those who love him back. They get so particular and specific over semantics that it confuses some people.

[@alanflood8162]

@@travishanson166 Yes, if God didn't love everyone then I could never be sure that he really loved me. Also I think most Reformed Ministers/theologians make the same mistake as Calvin in assuming election & predestination are the same thing. Apologies for the rather long following quote from Shank: "Representative of many passages exhibiting his confusion of predestination with election are the following: The predestination by which God adopts some to the hope of life and adjudges others to eternal death no man who would be thought pious ventures simply to deny.... By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which he determined with himself whatever he wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and accordingly as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death. (3:21:5) [God engrafts] those who are elect in Christ into His body ... calling and justifying in His own time those who were predestined before the foundation of the world. (E.P. 8:4) Of the Eternal Election, by Which God Has Predestinated Some to Salvation and Others to Destruction. (The title of 3:21) Calvin's theological heirs have followed in his footsteps in confusing predestination with election. The two, while closely related and mutally involved, are not the same. Both election and predestination are acts of determination, but the election is God's choice of men per se, whereas the predestination looks beyond the fact of the election itself to the purposes and objectives comprehended in election. It is noteworthy that the verb eklego66 appears in the New Testament only in the middle voice67 (eklegomai, to choose out for one's self). The use of the middle voice, representing God as acting with reference to Himself in the election of men, is in marked contrast with the New Testament usage of the verb pro-oridzo6 8 (to predetermine, decide beforehand), which never appears in the middle voice. The contrast is significant. Thus, election is the act whereby God chose men for Himself, whereas predestination is His act determining the destination of the elect whom He has chosen. Predestination is God's predetermination of the eternal circumstance of election: sonship and inheritance as joint-heirs with Christ (Eph. 1: 5,11) and glorification together with Christ in full conformity to His image (Rom. 8:28-30). In Ephesians 1:3-14, the election is in view in verse 4 ("he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world") and the predestination is not to election and salvation, but to the circumstance of election: adoption as children of God (v. 5) and participation in an eternal inheritance tance (v.11). In Romans 8:28-30, the election is concomitant with God's foreknowledge, and the predestination is not to election and salvation, but to conformity to the image of His Son (v. 29), a predestination to be realized through calling, justification, and ultimate glorification (v. 30). Calvin went so far afield in his confusion of election and predestination that he sometimes made election the consequence quence of predestination: [God] does not adopt promiscuously to the hope of salvation, but gives to some what he denies to others [and thus] elects those whom he has predestined. (3:21:1)69 Here Calvin has matters exactly backward. God does not elect those whom He has predestined; rather, He has predestined (to sonship, inheritance, glorification) those whom He elects. Unfortunately, in Calvin's thinking election became predestination-the predestination of some men to salvation"

[@annodomini9412]

@@billyr9162 obviously yes if I am predestined and obviously not if I am not predestined even if I believe I do.

[@annodomini9412]

@@travishanson166 Thank you.

[@travishanson166]

@@alanflood8162 that's the very word salad that confuses many. Simple people need simple explanations. No discredit to the higher level education or thinking, but not everyone who believes in the Gospel has a higher level education. Like how do you know your name is in the book of Life? Because it was preordained, or knew beforehand that you would Love (obey God's commands) , after hearing the gospel (being called by) and believing on Jesus Christ. Many times James White gives the Gospel in its simplest effective form when he speaks, in case there are non believers in the audience, so they have their chance at salvation. Never any mention of predestination or preelection etc. Because it's a semantic issue, not a salvation issue. It messes with people's assurance, because the word of God says you can know that you are saved. You can have assurance of your salvation. If it is a false assurance, then the whole bible has to be thrown out.

[@ROLLTHEMBONES]

The doomed: "Predestination is unfair!" Dr. White: "Hold my Bible... "

[@apilkey]

Seth Tutt 1) “Unfair” has nothing to do with it, you’re simply appealing to emotions. 2) Nothing is wrong with the BIBLICAL doctrine of predestination. The Reformers perversion of what they think predestination is is the issue. Again, nothing to do with being unfair but everything to do with being UNBIBLICAL.

[@ROLLTHEMBONES]

Lol i believe in predestination. Re-read the comment.

[@apilkey]

Seth Tutt Yes I know but you need to clarify what view of predestination you believe in. The BIBLICAL view or the reformed view? Here’s the BIBLICAL view which is quite different than the reformed definition of predestination: Predestination is NOT about the salvation of lost people. It’s about the guaranteed future of SAVED people. Predestination is mentioned 4 times in the Bible in 3 separate verses and NOT ONCE IS IT REFERRING TO SALVATION. In each case the passage clearly says WHO is being predestinated and TO WHAT they are being predestinated to. Predestination doesn’t speak to who is saved or not. Rather, it speaks to the ‘DESTINY’ of those who ARE SAVED/elect. It speaks to God’s ENDS for the elect who are ALREADY IN CHRIST THROUGH FAITH (Believers). It is the BELIEVERS who are the ones who love God, and who are therefore foreknown by Him. IN CHRIST they possess redemption and the forgiveness of sins by faith. BELIEVERS are predestined by God. *****It does NOT say that unbelievers are predestined TO BE believers.***** In all those passages ask your self WHO is being predestined and WHAT are they being predestined to? **Not once is it an unbeliever.** **Not once is it predestined to salvation.** BELIEVERS are predestined to inherit salvation, to be justified and to be brought into glory. If there remains a veil over the hearts of the Jews for failing to see Christ in the Scriptures, why should we think that the same veil would not also blind those who teach a primary Election APART from Jesus? ************************************* Reformers believe that the FINAL DESTINATION of election is to BECOME in Christ, whereas scripture says that the SOURCE of election is IN CHRIST. With respect to salvation in Christ, predestination speaks not to WHO will be among the elect, but to WHAT GOD’S ULTIMATE PURPOSES ARE FOR THOSE WHO ARE ELECT IN CHRIST. It was never about what we have in the Father INDEPENDENT of the Son. It’s all about HIS SON. It’s all about CHRIST. CHRIST IS THE ELECT ONE. We are merely elect BASED UPON OUR ASSOCIATION AND IDENTIFICATION WITH CHRIST! It’s IMPOSSIBLE to be elect before we have any identity with Christ. THAT WOULD USURP CHRIST! ...If I have been chosen IN THE FATHER from before the foundation of the world in an eternal Election IN HIMSELF, then does Christ intercede for me in heaven in vain, knowing that I have already been eternally mediated to the Father by His eternal secret counsel? What would Christ be interceding for? In a primary, in the Father Election, Christ as “Savior” is UNDERMINED and CALVARY BECOMES A MERE FORMALITY since the Father’s alleged, secret love from eternity past had already, in a sense, saved us. **But that’s NOT what the bible teaches. The bible teaches that BELIEVERS are predestined to certain end IN CHRIST. We are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH in what Christ did on Calvary. We are NOT saved through election. We’re saved by grace THROUGH FAITH in Christ. He’s given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. We’re His. And BECAUSE of that, all of the promises of God are ‘yes’ and ‘Amen’ for you, because you are IN CHRIST JESUS. This is a good paraphrase of the big picture of Ephesians chapter 1. The basis for our covenant blessings are rooted in being IN CHRIST. **With reformed theology, it’s quite different, as their basis for blessings is having been secretly elected in the Father, and for some inexplicable reason, with the result that the reformed ‘elect’ are caused to believe and chosen to become in Christ. There’s your contrast. EPHESIANS 1:4 - BELIEVERS chosen to be Holy and Blameless IN CHRIST. EPHESIANS 1:5 - BELIEVERS are predestined to be adopted children of God BY JESUS: EPHESIANS 1:11,12 - BELIEVERS (who first trusted in Christ) are predestined to be the PRAISE OF HIS GLORY: ROMANS 8:29 - BELIEVERS (those who are in IN CHRIST) are predestined to be CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE (through sanctification).

[@peachbun]

@@apilkey Still have no idea whether God actually chooses some people to be saved and others not. From all I have read in the bible and witnessed in reality, it seems like it's pointless to share the gospel because whether I do or not, God will save who he wants.

[@apilkey]

Tracey M Yes God does choose who to save and who not to. This is His decision and not ours. God in His Sovereignty has chosen arbitrarily who to save and we cannot question this. It’s His decision and it will never change no matter if we like it or not. But there’s hope Tracey because God has revealed to us in His Word WHO He has decided to save and with that revelation comes a greater desire to witness. This is WHO God chooses to be saved: 1 CORINTHIANS 1:21 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE. It please God to save those that BELIEVE! Q: According to 1 Corinthians 1:21 does it please God to save those that believe or does it please Him to save people so that then they can then believe after they’re born again? **God has sovereignly decreed to choose for salvation, ONLY THOSE WHO WOULD REPENT AND PUT THEIR FAITH IN CHRIST.**

[@rangersNHL]

You are not chosen until you are in Christ. You were not chosen TO BE IN Christ, but chosen IN Christ. That's a big difference. Context is what we should follow. Not KEY words, or certain phrases. Many are called, but few are chosen---who were the chosen ONES? Those who responded to the CALL. They were not chosen to be called, or chosen to be allowed in. They were called to come to a marriage, some received the invite, the others rejected the invite---MANY are called, only a few are chosen. Those who respond are chosen.

[@gordoncrawley5826]

First, made alive by the Spirit, according to God's predetermined council, and that is why they respond to the call.

[@The300ZXGuru]

the elect are all the ppl the father has chosen and has given to the son in the godhead covenant before Jesus ever spoke the physical into existence!!!!!! Remember Jesus was the means while the Spirit was the applicator! sorry I already got my education from sem John Knox in Ft Lauderdale Florida. I pretty much know everything from the doctrines of grace trinity dieity .....supra verse infra and on and on. To be honest Ive study under Ligoneer ministries under RC. Ive even was taught by John Mac. at Grace. To say ive choked on the meat of the theology of the bible is an understatement. least fav was eschatology. never really got into the end times or what heaven is going to be like. So I am good on the education part. Just remember that everything is for Gods Glory period. Everything works out to the glory of God. What man meant for evil God meant for Glory!!!! o WHAT AN AWESOME LIVING GOD OF THE UNIVERSE I SERVE!!!!!!

[@orlandobautista8477]

the elect are those who loved God....those who are circumcised in heart.

[@drock5642]

I also see a lot of hate from a lot of people, where's the love we are supposed to have? Why do we not show it?

[@drock5642]

Christ will you please choose to forgive us?

[@drock5642]

Can and should we be living as if we want to be the Elect?

[@drock5642]

Let us forgive forthe measure of forgiveness we use will be measured back unto us!

[@billwilmoth7444]

@@drock5642 very good words my friend ...may this resonate with us being conformed to the image of Christ ! thank you . be blessed!

[@ReformedTradesman]

Please stop using John 3:16 out of context. That verse is for the elect, read the prior verse where it says every one believing. John's audience are believers. And the word "world" isn't referring to the capacity of the world, it refers to the elect being drawn from the world.

[@mumofgirls9991]

You clearly hate the Gospel of Jesus and hold the doctrine men as a higher authority. I’m praying for you friend. Reach deeper, believe like never before that God has a love much deeper then we can imagine. What dose the bible actually say and what dose it not say. Put this to the test kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXm4gaOjl7mCjJY

[@michellestechschulte8417]

Great message but why is there a daycare in the sanctuary? There should be options for courteous parents to have so people can concentrate on this wonderful subject.

[@kevindixonmusic4835]

Something to consider. The elect are not the only ones who are saved. They are the ones who believe and are saved in this life. God desires to save all people, and His will cannot be thwarted. God is the saviour of all people, especially those who believe. Those who believe are the elect - they are saved especially NOW in this life - they know God. But He is also the Saviour of all people. Calvinism is not good news, but the message of Christ is.

[@gordoncrawley5826]

Good sermon. Does this church not have a nursery? I agree with the idea that the youth should be in the service, but fussy infants need a special place to be in where they can be comforted and people in the service can be free of distraction.

[@EYTSIRHC1]

Reformed churches often don’t practice age segregation and encourage children to be in the service - even infants.

[@jameseggett4205]

It is a contradictory statement for God to say he wants all to come to repentance IF he already chose those who would come and those who wouldn't. God cannot hold someone responsible for what he predestined them for. If he did, he would be unjust and unrighteous. He would also then be a respecter of persons which he says he is not. If what James White is saying is true (which I do not believe, but i always try to educate myself on the other side so I listened) then we can only assume that God predestined everything to happen and He has decided that he wanted some cool end times battle so after all those that he chose to be in his army have been born then he can have his war against satan. You make God out to be a God who just wanted some wicked end ties battle and who just decided he wanted a bunch of robots on earth who regardless of what they do are going to be in either heaven or hell. I am a recovered crystal meth and crack cocaine addict who found God. Well I might as well go a smoke up again because either way I am going to heaven or hell.

[@jlynnkreuzer241]

I do not understand either. I like Pastor Dean Odles’ teaching on this...

[@manseth3]

All of the particular group to whom was being addressed. In that case elect Jews.

[@jandrew86]

Read Romans chapter 9. It addresses this issue on point.

[@veronicastuart714]

God who foreknows who will choose and who will reject. The fact that God knows who His Elect are does not mean He chose some and rejected others.. no way.. We are each given a free will that can choose or reject.. God is Not looking for "robots" He seeks our hearts He wants us to freely choose.

[@SethYoderMusic]

If we don't know who the elect are, how can we have assurance of our own election? Do we just do "Christian things" and hope we are part of the true elect? Truly trying to understand. Maybe James only meant that we can't know if someone ELSE is elect or not? God bless, and I hope and pray James is in good health these days!

[@pizzylee1978]

So many holes is Calvinism. Most people I know who claim to be Christian but defend living in perpetual sin are reformed. Not good imo. They weren’t called the 10 suggestions

[@anonymousduck8456]

If anyone lives in the Phoenix area, I highly recommend Faithful Word Baptist Church over Apostasia Church.

[@targeted4christkay367]

Yes, God has predestined some ppl before they were born, however he sent them back here to be a witnesses of spiritual wickness, and to be an example for thee unsaved and to graft as many ppl as possible before his return.

[@targeted4christkay367]

It has nothing to do race, chosen ppl are all different colors and races.

[@yochanantov5490]

And so in conclusion to my comments below, I can only say that the message of this video confuses and brings more Qs to Matthew22:1-14, never coming to understanding & accepting the Truth.

[@MoodyDudey]

To your question at 37:56… I know this is over text so I want you to know I’m not angry or hostile. I simply want to give an answer. In your belief of predestination, that scripture of what Paul says can only mean one thing. He endures to share the Gospel with the elect of God (Whoever that may be) so that they may receive salvation, aka accept Jesus as their Messiah. But I propose to is that what Paul was talking about is the Day of Salvation, aka the Adoption, aka the Resurrection. He endures all things to share with as many people as he can do that they may become the elect on that day of Salvation when our Lord Jesus comes back.

[@godisnotmocked1345]

You need to read Pagan Christianity: Exploring the Roots of Our Christian Beliefs since you haven't read the New Testament carefully enough as in "The hired hand...cares nothing for the sheep" (John 10:13, ESV).

[@artemusbowdler7508]

If you do not have to attend church, to live a righteous life, to pray, to tithe, to treat others lovingly, to tell people about Jesus, and to worship God to be one of His elect, then what signs are there that a person is one of the elect?

[@meganthomas4524]

We are all called by God, but that does not mean that we are all going to choose to follow him.

[@billwilmoth7444]

that's correct we are all called to repent as a command by Gods Holy law..... prescriptive! but Gods election ...the called according to the elect of God is a soteriological concept and is a working of the mercing one !!!!God ! context is key and within the symantics of the word elect which dr James white lays out ! this is saving Grace …..its not what we will do with jesus but what will jesus will do with us ! this is Gods whole council which paul did not fail to bring ! be blessed in Christ our lord !

[@douaseri7747]

So, accordingly to Matthew 22:14, who calls the people if they will be kicked out? Why are so many people called (by who?) if there will be only a few saved? God bless you all!

[@mihalisb8297]

"And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened" This clearly means that God will have a group of chosen true Christians, above the everyday generic ones who follow truths, half truths and false doctrine which is bascially everyone else. So at the end of the day what is really the difference between an athiest, an agnostic and a lukewarm Christian....not much. If you want to condemn the non believer to eternal hell then the fakeys have to go there too.

[@apilkey]

@50:46 White says, “I recognize that there are many people who struggle greatly with the concept that God has chosen to save a specific people.” REPLY: Yes God has indeed Sovereignly chosen who He wants to save and I recognize that reformers have a problem with WHO God in His Sovereignty has chosen to save. Reformers like to try and tell God who He is pleased to save instead of just believing and submitting to what His Word tells us. This is WHO God chooses to be saved: 1 CORINTHIANS 1:21 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE. Q: According to 1 Corinthians 1:21 does it please God to save those that believe or does it please Him to save people so that then they can then believe after they’re born again? **God has sovereignly decreed to choose for salvation, only those who would repent and put their faith in Christ.** Do you reject this passage of scripture? This is what pleases God and yet you want to try and tell God what pleases Him after He’s already told us?! It pleases God to save those who BELIEVE.

[@yep33whalesbebig60]

Yeah but nobody knows whom God has choosen and many claim to saved. Those who claim to be saved can easily perceive themselves as better than others and cause all sorts of problems. So if it's only God that knows who's saved what benefit is the belief?

[@apilkey]

yep33!! whalesbebig That’s true we don’t know who’s saved but we DO know whom He’s chosen to save because He’s clearly told us in His REVEALED Word that He’s pleased to save all who BELIEVE. Thats who He’s chosen. ANYONE who freely believes in His Son. As far as our Ken personal salvation if you don’t know if you’re saved or not then you aren’t saved because that means you’re not FULLY trusting Christ. ...According to 1 John 5:11-13 these things are also written that we MAY in fact truly know we have eternal life: 1 JOHN 5:11-13 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us ETERNAL LIFE, and THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON. 12 HE THAT HATH THE SON HATH LIFE; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 THESE THINGS HAVE I WRITTEN UNTO YOU THAT BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; THAT YE MAY KNOW that ye have ETERNAL life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. God’s word is clear we actually CAN know! So how can we be certain and know then? Because it’s got absolutely nothing to do with us but it’s all to do with HIM! vs 11 says He gives us ETERNAL life and that this life is IN HIS SON! This life is not in YOU, it’s in His SON. It’s in CHRIST which is in you. So if you’re unsure that means you’re partially trusting yourself or something else instead of Christ.

[@yep33whalesbebig60]

@@apilkey all I'm trying is believing you are better than others and have absolute knowledge over the hearts of all, is negative. Because it's just a belief in my opinion, and noone knows of heaven, he will send gifts from heaven to a believer and they will know of it, but they will not know it.

[@SpotterVideo]

Did the Early Church Fathers teach Calvinism? kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqc

[@faustinaandrews9036]

sorry i just got here half way of this video. can you tell me if this is from a Calvanist point of view?

[@vitaliykoshyn7968]

Although I love Dr. James White and brother Jeff Durbin, it's hard for me to accept that God created hell for punishment, and that he will punish people who weren't elected for what the way he created them. I have no problem with God creating people knowing that they choose to go to hell. But to create them specifically for eternal damnation I don't believe.

[@keithangel8312]

Good thought, but God created all of us in His image and likeness but Grace is a free gift....He wants all to be saved and come to repentance.... “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. I hope this helps a little, God Bless!

[@gilbertaponte9611]

Matthew 22:14 says For many are called but few are CHOSEN. I don't like that verse, it doesn't fit my freewill to choose. I think it should be changed to (but FEW decide. Yeah..

[@jwalkermtnr]

vitaliy koshyn I struggle with the same thing. How can God, who is love, create people whose destiny is eternal separation from him when we are made in His image? It sounds contradictory to me. Also, what about John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that WHOEVER believes in Him will have eternal life. It doesn’t say, for God so loved the elect, and if they believe in him....

[@SpotterVideo]

Did the Early Church Fathers teach "Calvinism"?kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4W2dptnpJ17mqc

[@manseth3]

Apparently you have not read the old testament then?

[@alexivonkuciak3786]

As much as I love apologia Church, I would never be able to be a member. I have no idea how the people in the audience are able to focus on the sermon with all the children playing in the background O_O

[@jerem0621]

That is the sound of a growing church.

[@rolysantos]

"I don't know what those folks do with the first 39 books of the bible." Good point! The very foundation of the argument by those who oppose sovereign election is that somehow God isn't being fair, or every person didn't have an 'equal opportunity' to be saved, etc. Yet God did choose only certain people for himself in the OT and purposely excluded others (gentiles). Even among Jews not every Jew was a true son of Abraham (of faith) and many perished in their sin. He has revealed his word to Jacob, his laws and decrees to Israel. He has done this for no other nation; They do not know his laws. -Psalm 147:19-20 remember (Gentiles) that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, *WITHOUT HOPE AND WITHOUT GOD in the world.* Ephesians 2:12 Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them. *In the past, he let all nations go their own way.* (to damnation) Acts 14:15-16 Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone-an image made by human design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere* to repent. Acts 17:29-30 *All people everywhere = Jews AND Gentiles, not just Jews! This is "the mystery" Paul speaks of in Ephesians 2 and 3, that although God overlooked the Gentiles in the past and "allowed them to go their own way" NOW he has "Granted the gentiles repentance unto life." (Acts 11:18)

[@paulclauson2478]

When Abraham prayed to GOD to bless his son! GOD said know the blessing would come through Issac!

[@JMH-jj6we]

Rehab? Ruth?

[@rolysantos]

@@JMH-jj6we Yes, there were a few but for the very most part the gentile nations perished in darkness "apart from the law."

[@rangersNHL]

@@rolysantos Not those who choose the God of Israel---you know Jonah and Ninevah

[@rolysantos]

@@rangersNHL I'm not sure I understand your point so if you want to clarify that would be great.

[@sisterrose6836]

You can take my money, but you can't be my Pastor? No, thank you!

[@dominicbresee9294]

Would the elect also be related to the verse whoever seeks me will find and I will never cast them out?

[@Blailock1659]

Our minds can bring together or comprehend 2 things coming together. 1.God’s plan of and elect of who is predetermined to be saved. And 2. Us having free will and choosing To follow Christ and put our faith in him. Our minds can’t put the two together or comprehend it. The way I like to think about it is that As God and Christ talked about the elect and decided who would be saved, God created his plan to create humans and give us the free will to choose him, but he also planned for some of us to be saved with our free will intact. Again it’s difficult to comprehend in-fact impossible even. Just know that it’s according to God’s plan some will be saved and those who are openly choose him freely according to his plan.

[@keishatanoe1067]

@@Blailock1659 Hi, so does that mean that when a person gives their life to christ, they are basically predetermined by God to choose him? But they are doing it with their own free will? I hope you understand my question lol

[@Blailock1659]

@@keishatanoe1067 I understand it and I have the exact same question. The issue is, because God’s understand is so much higher than ours, we can’t comprehend bringing the thoughts of free will and predetermination together. He chose who would be saved and those who wouldn’t and made his plan accordingly. He blinded the eyes of those who chose not to believe in him and opened the eyes and interacted with those who he planned to be saved. I hope this makes sense

[@keishatanoe1067]

@@Blailock1659 Yes that was understandable. I did more research on this and what I found in the bible was that in a way, God chose us first but somehow we chose him in our own free will. I cant really explain it lol. But basically we chose him not because we are 'programmed" to do so but because we wanted to do so. So tbh predestination and free will shouldnt really be seperated from each other. So basically yes, God chose us first but we chose him in our own free will.

[@Blailock1659]

@@keishatanoe1067 exactly! It’s hard to comprehend the two together but it can be made easier to understand. It’s all part of his plan that some will be saved because we choose that

[@michaelwolfe8888]

"So Romans 1:6 then says ... if you conceal carry ..." So many ads during a sermon!

[@pierceostrander8146]

The speaker sets up his sermon with Matt 22:14 and asks the question: "Many are called but few are chosen": what is the difference? Then he makes a series of declarative statements based entirely on his theological system without connecting them to Matt 22:1-14 or to his opening question. Then he does a sidebar on "semantic domain" and how we shouldn't "squish down" the meaning of words to fit our pet theological system. The sidebar remains unconnected to any argument, makes him sound thoughtful, but actually sets up a sort of “Bill Clinton moment” in which he proceeds to do exactly what he warns against - by running through each occurrence of the two words, and again failing to link them to 1) any specific argument, 2) to his opening question or 3) to his theological declarations. In his summary, instead of answering his opening question or linking his content (the bible) to an argument to support his pet theology: he jumps to a series of completely different lines of reasoning based on “big picture” logic rather than on anything he has presented. The whole thing has nothing to do with reasoning - it is 4 or 5 independent and unconnected vignettes that fail to prove anything. Those who think this is good preaching / logic / exegesis - are already "members of the choir". This isn't going to convince anyone to believe that Matt 22:1-14 isn't saying what it is obviously saying. In fact, the speaker studiously avoids presenting any actual argument.

[@pierceostrander8146]

Side Note: Theological Systems are creations of man. They exist for people who have difficulty handling cognitive dissonance. They not only teach you which bible passages to emphasize... but also which to ignore! In this way they resolve the discomfort of complexity and uncertainty. Jesus was a cog-dis generating machine. If you don't like it, follow someone else.

[@adamwelsh6917]

I am the Church. Say? Must i Follow Man? Tell Me?

[@andresbenavides1768]

I really like Dr. White. I have learned so much from him, but... my goodness!!! I just can't bear this doctrine. I mean someone in the pulpit saying that God chose some to be saved. It's something I can't grasp. Well, then that leads me to conclude, by default, that God also chose some to be condemned. I hope neither of us have to face what is written in Job 42:7 when we are in front of the King of Kings. That really scares me.

[@davidochieng2975]

@@choicemeatrandy6572 Only 8 were saved,and many were destroyed. Sodom and Gomorrah time,God saved 3,and many were destroyed. Now, narrow is the gate that leads eternity, and a few follow it and wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many follow it.

[@annodomini9412]

@@choicemeatrandy6572so do you think you are one of the elect? if so why? how does one know if they are?

[@annodomini9412]

@@choicemeatrandy6572 no, do you consider yourself one of the elect if so how does one know for certain you are predestined to be one of the elect?

[@annodomini9412]

@@choicemeatrandy6572 If you mean about Noah then eight.

[@annodomini9412]

@@choicemeatrandy6572and yet you cannot be certain?

[@reuelpremier3064]

James White stressing on elect ,is he a Chalvanist.

[@peteryang2067]

Is this a dividing line?? Lol thank you dr. White for the Word

[@enriquemoure2739]

who are the elect? the ones Calvin's god unconditionally elected for salvation during eternity's past, the U of TULIP. funny, Calvinists never mention the non elect. those Calvin's god unconditionally elected for hell by an IRREVERSIBLE death sentence. the non elect are born with their destinies already decided for them, just like the elect, but instead of heaven, their destiny is hell. hence, non elect, go to hell not for their unrepentant sins and rejection of Christ but by a sovereign decree of Calvin's god. folks, does the Bible teach this? the non elect's condition and destiny is irreversible? “Therefore WHOEVER confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But WHOEVER denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven." Mat. 10:32, 33 "For WHOEVER does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” Matt. 12:50 "For WHOEVER desires to save his life will lose it, but WHOEVER loses his life for My sake will find it." Matt. 16:25 "WHOEVER comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock." Luke 6:47, 48 “Also I say to you, WHOEVER confesses Me before men, him the Son of Man also will confess before the angels of God. But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God." Luke 12:8, 9 "And WHOEVER does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple." Luke 14:27 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life." John 3:14-16 "Jesus said to her, “I AM the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And WHOEVER lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” Jon 11:25, 26 "And it shall come to pass that WHOEVER calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved." Acts 2:21 "To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, WHOEVER believes in Him will receive remission of sins.” Acts 10:43 "For WHOEVER calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Rom. 10:13 "WHOEVER believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God...." 1 John 5:1

[@enriquemoure2739]

No, sir, I am just a Bible defined Christian. I see you posted no Scripture to support your opinions. John Calvin was a murderous heretic. I posted a dozen Scriptures that prove any repentant sinner can get forgiven and saved. he does not have to be predestined by Calvin's god. grace is shown to the humble while the proud is rejected, Jam. 4:6 this is the biblical law of reprobation. the only obstacle between a sinner and the forgiveness of the God of the Bible is the sinner's pride and refusal to repent and come to the Lord on His terms. "I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.” Luke 5:32 "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Luke 24:47 "testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21 speaking of Calvin. Am I saying that a Calvinist must agree with John Calvin on EVERYTHING in order to be a Calvinist? No. BUT, I am saying that you must agree with him on the vital subject of salvation, if you are going to call yourself a Calvinist -which directly implicates Calvin's teachings on predestination, free will, sovereignty of God, etc. If you aren’t willing to agree with the T.U.L.I.P. of John Calvin, then stop calling yourself a Calvinist. in Calvinism contingencies DON'T EXIST, God is the only Actor behind every act, good and evil, that has ever occurred in the history of mankind. If you aren’t willing to agree with the following quotes from John Calvin, then stop claiming that people who disagree with Calvinism, are misrepresenting it, or don't understand it or are straw manning Calvinism or as u just mocked me by saying I must have known Calvin personally. these are Calvin's words: “Creatures are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that NOTHING HAPPENS BUT WHAT HE HAS KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY DECREED.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 3) “We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, -that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and WILLS OF MEN ARE SO GOVERNED AS TO MOVE EXACTLY IN THE COURSE HE HAS DESTINED.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8) “The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how much soever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far AS HE COMMANDS, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even FORCED to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11) ”He testifies that He creates light and darkness, forms good and evil (Isaiah 45:7); that no evil happens which He hath not done (Amos 3:6). Let them tell me whether God exercises His judgments willingly or unwillingly.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 18, Paragraph 3) NOTE Calvin quoted the antiquated English of the Geneva Bible in Isa. 45:7 to say God creates evil. "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things." NKJV what God creates is calamity, disaster, tragedy in a responsive judgement for the wickedness of men, repaying them for their sins. “I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, ALL OF ADAM'S CHILDREN HAVE FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4) “…it is vain to debate about prescience, which it is clear that ALL EVENTS TAKE PLACE BY HIS SOVEREIGN APPOINTMENT.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) “But since he foresees future events only by reason of the fact that HE DECREED THAT THEY TAKE PLACE, they vainly raise a quarrel over foreknowledge, when it is clear that all things take place rather by his determination and bidding.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) “THE FIRST MAN FELL BECAUSE THE LORD DEEMED IT MEET THAT HE SHOULD.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 8)

[@jasonlitherland4270]

Wicked as hell

[@GodArmy7711]

CALVINISM'S THEORY OF ELECTION DEBUNKED: The truth of Gods word makes it clear that, 1. The DEPRAVED are GRACED the ABILITY to choose only upon HEARING THE WORD of the gospel : "In Him, you also, AFTER LISTENING to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise" -Ephisians 1:13 "So then FAITH comes by HEARING, and HEARING by THE WORD OF GOD." -Romans 10:17 2. His Election is based on the FOREKNOWLEDGE of those whom He had ALREADY witnessed/knew would believe: "But there are some of you who do not believe." For JESUS KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THOSE who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. And He was saying, "FOR THIS REASON I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father." -John 6:64-65 "For those WHOM HE FOREKNEW, HE ALSO predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren" -Romans 8:29 3. This is why the Lord will not return until the gospel is preached to ALL people. He has chosen in His Sovereignty to grace ALL people the ability to choose salvation despite the truth that many will freely reject Him. Of this, truly the many have been called, but few were chosen. Even though He could have died for a few He died for ALL so that ALL may be given the opportunity to choose salvation. Just because they heard the gospel doesnt make them saved, what it means is they have truly made their own choice to reject Him not in a depraved state but with free will. I cant think of anything more offensive to God then to hear the message of what He has made available and then recieve the ability to freely choose and yet reject it!! 😯😳 QUESTIONS FOR CALVINISM: Why preach ‘repent or perish’ when the non-elect can’t repent and the elect can’t perish? How can God hold the non-elect responsible for ‘not believing’ and damn them for it, when He deliberately did not give them the faith to enable them to believe in the first place? If Christ has already made an efficacious atonement for the sins of an elect person, is that elect person actually lost during the period prior to their being saved? During the period before an elect person gets saved, how are they condemned already (for not believing) when their unbelief (which is a sin) has already been paid for by Christ on the cross? If repentance is a gift only given to the elect, what did Jesus mean when He said that some of the people in hell would have repented if they had had the same opportunity as the people to whom He preached? Why does the Spirit of God strive and convict some sinners who later prove, by dying and going to hell, that they were non-elect? What is the purpose of such movings of the Spirit?

[@elizabethvandeventer5487]

All can go to God, read your Bible more and pray for sight and understanding.

[@papax4815]

Jeff, love your work. I have a question, as I am an anti abortion. But I’ve just learned the 5 vaccines are made from aborted babies. I research it, and it’s true! How do we as Christians deal with this! It must and has to be a sin. I was vaccinated as well as my children, and grandchildren!! Could you elaborate more on this. God bless

[@travishanson166]

Billions of doses of vaccines were made from particular cells from 2 aborted babies, in the 60s and 70s. One was swedish, the other I forget. It was the only way to have effective vaccines, and the cells were harvested after the fact. A baby/fetus aborted, abandoned by a mother, saved millions of lives. They were not aborted just to make vaccines. But the unfortunate event turned into life saving medicine. A few other cell lines have been added from new donors in recent years, but the original cells are still in use, but will soon have been replicated too many times. These cells literally came from what was thrown out after the abortions took place. It doesn't justify abortion in the least, but turned a death into life for many children and people. The vaccines made from those cells were not made in vain.

[@papax4815]

Travis Hanson It’s never right, to do wrong, to do right! Or two wrongs, won’t make it right!

[@travishanson166]

@@papax4815 you don't understand, they pulled the cells out of the trash bin. No different than organ transplants from dead people.

[@papax4815]

Travis www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm

[@papax4815]

Travis Hanson the Godless and liberals will tell you they just used 2 babies from the 50s. It’s happening everyday

[@houseofmorale6937]

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[@Horses4life1001]

Predestination is prearrangement, that is why destination of ALL of those people who will DECIDE to believe in Christ`s Blood are predestined to Salvation, those people who will take part in this election prearranged before foundation of the world, are predestined to LIVE FOREVER Dr.White. Because Jesus`s sacrifice was predestined, not some people were taken against their will and predestined for Salvation

[@hisglory3168]

Romans 9:10-13 refudiates that man is chosen because of his own "Decision". Man cannot choose God, God chooses man.

[@Horses4life1001]

@@hisglory3168 No. God chosen MAN KIND (not specific people) from BEFORE the foundation of the world for election IN CHRIST by His PLAN, which was pre-planned/ predestined Our decision is to respond to the GOSPEL - GOOD NEWS to be qualified as God`s ELECT for His plan, according to 2 Thess 2:14 "Whereunto he called you BY our GOSPEL, TO THE OBTAINING of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ" not by being made to do something against our will. And God chosen ALL MAN of one nation - Israel FROM the beginning of foundation of the world to revile the MESSIAH to the World so the whole MAN KIND can be Saved,but not everyone from this nation to, responded to that call. Only look on the DISOBEDIENCE of Calvinists to the 2Tim 2:15 to rightly DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.They taking verses for "TIME PAST"( time of Law for the Jews) and mixing with verses for "BUT NOW (from Romans to Filemon)" and verses for "TIMES TO COME"(tribulation) Look at the contradictions in T.U.L.I.P. because of that. T. (Total depravity / you have no power of decision to chose God Eph 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, AFTER that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" not after you was predestined. Calvinism says that BEFORE we believed we were Saved. U. (uncondicional election - some elected to go to heaven and some to hell because they get what they deserve) But Bible says that we ALL deserve to die,because we are the same sinners "For the wages of sin is death" - Rom 6:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" - Rom 3:23 L.(limited atonement. Christ died only for the some people elected to go to Heaven) Calvinists taking again scripture for wrong WRONG Biblical PERIOD Matt 20:28 for The Jews , and applying for "Dispensation of Grace" After Paul was Saved, he said in 1Tim 2:5-7 "Who gave himself a ransom for ALL" I.( Irresistible Grace - some people have no choice to resist the Grace of God (but some have no choice to but not resist?) Calvinists quote scriptures for the Jews ONLY from "time past" John15:16, John 6, Ps 110:3 But The context of Psalm 110is the 2nd coming of Christ in tribulation "Times to come" when the Jews will recognize Jesus as the Messiah and shall be willing THEN. The context has NOTHING to do with with people living today in the GRACE PERIOD. P. (perseverance of the Saints -that Saved person is always Saved) But in Calvinism is a catch. In Calvinism the outwards performance matters. That after person perform we know that He is Saved. So until somebody`s teenage child ,behaves bad because he is IMMATURE, even if he believes I The Gospel,he will be told by the parents that he is not Saved.(Matt 24:13 again they giving verse for tribulation period "times to come" ) ----------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- ------ Jesus was preaching to the JEWS and was sent to the Jews (sheep of Israel) Romans 15:8"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the CIRCUMCISION for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers" Matthew 15:24 "But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost SHEEP of the house of ISRAEL." ------ Peter was apostle to the JEWS (is still works based ) Gal 2:7 "I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised (Gentiles),just as Peter had been to the circumcised (Jews)" ------ Paul was the disciple to the GENTILES (faith and Grace based-new Law) Gal 2:8 "For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me AS AN APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES". ------ John, Peter,James apostles to the JEWS (is still works based) Gal 2:9 "James, Peter and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. ------ James apostle to the JEWS (is still works based James 1:1 " James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations" That is why when Jew who was still under the Old Law came to Jesus and claimed that he does ALL those good works to be Saved, Jesus told him that he did NOT do this one thing to Save himself: "sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich" Jesus to make them realize that they need GRACE preached even more LAW to the lost sheep who hypocritically thought that they keep it : "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell" When Jesus was on the earth ,he said clearly to the disciple to not to go to the gentiles. Matthew 10:5 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye NOT" Until later, after the Jews rejected Him and killed Him, and He ascended to Heaven ,He revealed to Paul to go to Gentiles and preach the Gospel of GRACE not WORKS.(Acts 15, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

[@davidcruz8057]

The reality remains that a supposed “good”, “merciful” and “just” God created human beings that did not ask to be created, and “predestine” (force) them to commits sins so that He could punish them by sending them to eternal hell. Supposedly to glorify Himself…

[@Joshcruzfilms]

He does not “force” people to sin, it is our human nature to sin, and we love our sin. Because of that we hate God because he is so “other” (Holy) and not like us. He is merciful in that he saves anyone in the first place, he is just in that He brings justice on those deserving of it. He is good because he gives grace to us that don’t deserve it, justified us through his death on the cross and resurrection and gave us eternal life and an inheritance with him in His kingdom. Satan and his fallen angels will never have that and so they hate God and humanity with otherworldly intensity. Who are you oh man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to the molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

[@davidcruz8057]

@@Joshcruzfilms My friend, you’re making my point. Who created them with a sin nature incapable of doing good? If i design something knowing before hand that it’s a bad design and that it won’t work, who’s fault is it when I build it and it doesn’t work and it ends up in the trash? How is that not me forcing the device to fail? I don’t question God’s ability to do whatever he wants, but I question someone believing that God would do such a thing and still be a good God.

[@Joshcruzfilms]

@@davidcruz8057 They became sinners when that ancient evil spirit (serpent) deceived them. Instead of God saying “well that’s unfortunate you’re on your own” he already had a plan to save humanity and destroy the evil of this world. I’ll get to the point though. God allowed evil so that he could use it for good, to save a remnant that has gone through tribulations and been conformed to the image of his only unique Son and been made worthy of his name. Demonstrating his love, power, mercy and all his attributes. Sanctification happens through suffering, building character happens through suffering, strong bonds form through suffering, humility and gratitude forms through suffering.

[@davidcruz8057]

@@Joshcruzfilms My friend many of “they” were not even born, and they became “sinners” because of something someone else did? Doesn’t that contradict scripture that clearly says that each man will die for his own sin not because of the sins of their fathers?

[@MrSmithersssz]

The elect haven’t changed, God doesn’t change. Gods elect are of the nations that are the physical bloodline of Jacob… “gentile” mean nation. WHICH nations were “elect” in the Old Testament? … the twelve tribes/nations of Israel. The Bible is written about, for, and to ONE groups of people out of all the nations of the world. To Israel.

[@muddyboots7753]

Armenians do not like the joke "stop hitting yourself" 🤣🤭😅

[@bryanpratt5850]

Feeling like there should be a funny realization but I’m not getting it. I regretfully ask, can you please elaborate?

[@muddyboots7753]

@@bryanpratt5850 when the older brother or bully uses the victim's own hand to punch him. is he really punching himself or someone doing it for him? 😂

[@bryanpratt5850]

@@muddyboots7753 haha! Good one!

[@muddyboots7753]

@@bryanpratt5850 thanks

[@noneofyourbusiness9635]

@50:44 - 57:40 what we NEED to understand @45:10 chosen @46:30 chosen race Input in BLB: people* nation*

[@jaybxnyc1]

As a mostly Pentecostal raised with a Trinitarian doctrine and having biblical sound theology, now as I attend a non denominational church which still believes in true biblical teaching, I never really understood what we in the latino community consider "secondary" church issues such as pre destination / calvinism and what it means to salvation. However I do see that this topic along with other issues are very much at the fore front of "white american evangelical" beliefs. My question is why is this topic important, and why does it matter to those born again believers who BELIEVE they are saved. Perhaps its just my ignorance, but these issues can sort of come off as an offshoot of Jehovah Witness-like (144,000) doctrine to believers who are faithful and are true believers that they were born again and will be saved one day. Grateful if someone can explain why this is important ?

[@jaybxnyc1]

I get that however how is it important in terms of being saved and following proper doctrine? In other words how is it important in terms of being in the right truth of church

[@lorimcneil8062]

jaybxnyc1 I have been saved over 30 years and only came to embrace the doctrines of grace and reformed theology in the last couple of years. My mother passed away never knowing anything about this theology and I am certain she is with the Lord. Many others I’m sure, the same. If your church is preaching Christ and Him crucified, staying focused on the Word of God, essentially it’s not that big of a deal. God will save whom He pleases whether they understand this doctrine or not. He saved me and I never knew anything of it. It can be confusing as there are verses in the Bible that look as though man has responsibility to respond to the call of the gospel. I for one believe this side of heaven we are never going to really understand how the two work together. It is not a salvation issue. But fascinating to study. Praise the Lord for your salvation and thank Him that He called you out of darkness!

[@jaybxnyc1]

@Lori, thank you for help with clarifying this up yes I am thankful that my salvation is based on his grace alone. God bless you

[@lorimcneil8062]

jaybxnyc1 You are welcome Jay, I do love Dr. White and Jeff Durban ever so much, but I disagree with them on eschatology. I believe in a physical rapture of the church and the great tribulation on the earth. Again this is a secondary issue and does not affect salvation. I can still learn from them but disagree on these issues. We cannot disagree on the essential doctrines of the faith however and remain in Christendom, such as the Jehovah Witnesses not believing the doctrine of the trinity, on that they are disqualified. Yes! We are saved by faith alone in Christ alone through the outpouring of God’s grace. Shout it from the mountaintops my brother!

[@michaelstanley4698]

Men preach election because it teaches the heart disposition of whom is intended, as designed by God, to 'hear Him' and 'believe the gospel' in order to be 'wise unto salvation'. God means to save His elect, granting 'grace unto the humble' (Is.61:1) which submit the wills of their hearts, as Christ, to do His will, and promises to 'beautify' them with Salvation (Ps.149:4). The sad thing is, their proud notions of election when they bear not the fruit in dealing with other people, and so, merely teach abstract 'election'. The elect in Scripture amounts to this: 'Christ and the church' (Eph.5:32, Lu.18:7, 1Pet.5:6,12).

[@davidwinner6862]

So what if you think you’re not one of the elect?

[@robertneumann5529]

Why not touch on Romans 11, uses the word elect and is right after Romans 8?

[@Sam-fp8zm]

The elect were the 12 apostles and the early Christians (Ephesians 1). Many are called (everyone except them) few are chosen (them).