Love it! It was the very first Bad Gear episode❤❤❤
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Thanks :) I actually have been rewatching that episode very recently to make sure I could still add something to this subject. Also quite funny that the (nowadays) very expensive TR-909 really starts pumping by sending it to the (still) very cheap 3630 😬
@eklipseRomania2 ай бұрын
Florian has eyes and ears everywhere :))
@mikolasstrajt38742 ай бұрын
Wow, you have chosen hard unit to demonstrate in your first video. Watched it and you have almost perfected your format back then minus metric tons of memes.
@deejayiwan72 ай бұрын
Thats that Austrian guy from Wien
@Shred_The_Weapon2 ай бұрын
Nice take on it, AP.
@missingdogmusicАй бұрын
You briefly mentioned "dealing with the noise" of the 3630. A common fix for it is to either disable (cut the traces) the gate circuit entirely or to make it switchable. It (implementing a switch) is not that hard to do and works like a charm. It is a good mod to implement when recapping the device, which is also highly recommended due to the age (and lack of quality) of the components.
@EstueraАй бұрын
Yes indeed. Although I do wonder if upgrading the unit won't change the sound as well?
@missingdogmusicАй бұрын
@@Estuera I haven't notice any audible changes, but have not been able to hook mine up to a spectrum analyzer yet to confirm. Hope to get a second one to compare eventually. It still pumps and sucks out the bass like it did before; I did get good quality panasonic capacitors for the recap.
@elsongs2 ай бұрын
TRIVIA: The compressor was named the "3630" because Alesis' address at the time was 3630 Holdrege Avenue, Los Angeles, California. (near Culver City).
@1ytcommenter2 ай бұрын
I had a 3630 for years in my PA rack. Loved it. Noise was not a problem at stadium / arena sound levels.😆
@johntammaro2 ай бұрын
Glad you are back on the airwaves again
@tjerborfritzasnt59422 ай бұрын
wow, the compressor is like a world of difference
@OPdbxАй бұрын
The way it smashes drum machines is super pleasing to the ear
@stevenbakos2 ай бұрын
How did I miss this?? So good! My favorite genre! Paris is Burning!!
@iKiWY2 ай бұрын
And here i was yesterday thinking, huh I havent seen a new Estuera video in a while
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
It was 7 months ago 😶
@ironmaskdj2 ай бұрын
You're absolutely right, me too!
@nilsliebich182215 күн бұрын
The polysix sounds amazing
@strangehermitage2299Ай бұрын
Thanks. Bought one yesterday off the back of your video.
@Ancaja123Ай бұрын
It’s honestly my favorite compressor of all time
@foketesz2 ай бұрын
I remember trying to achieve this sound with a couple of dbx 166... No close, no cigar, but a fun learning experience.
@patamuslo69Ай бұрын
i have one maestro! , te lo prestoooo cuando quieras jajaja
@mr_adam2 ай бұрын
Enough to cover everything with that magic '90s house sauce
@Stereotype32 ай бұрын
Awesome video. That sweep at 7:17 immediately sounds like a classic record. Thanks for sharing all this knowledge!!
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Gotta love those tasty MS-20 filters 😁
@PilzE.2 ай бұрын
Superb video, expertly explained, plus we got to see some beautiful hardware tweaking. Of course I bloody well subscribed! Just a really inspirational job, thank you for sharing!
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
My pleasure :)
@atomicasounds2 ай бұрын
Great job as always!! if you half close your eyes at 8:18 it looks like the 909 has heart shaped knobs! =)
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
909 love 😬😁♥️
@JonMurrayАй бұрын
Awesome man! Really cool to hear it isolated on drum tracks for comparison.
@JonMurrayАй бұрын
CRAZY difference when you added the Korg!!!
@anthonybrett2 ай бұрын
Great vid! I have two of these and I will never part with them. I would never run a mix through them, but for drums, they are amazing. Especially the gates! The gates are fast and brilliant for chopping drum machine loops.
@ysteinsondrup93942 ай бұрын
Great timing! Just got my 3630 in the mail 😃
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Pump it up
@Shilorius2 ай бұрын
Thank you, and especially for the subtitles whenever the compresser is enabled or deacitvated.
@brandonwatkins90032 ай бұрын
Those records mentioned sounded different at the time. This was the reason. Cool story man.
@johncitizen88282 ай бұрын
Great video. Love your enthusiasm and knowledge. (Great sounding track at the end, too)
@Pressure_232 ай бұрын
Superb video. Great story telling, great music. I’d still love to see you replicate that sound with software compressors, that 3630 is a vibe.
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Thanks :) I do think you can get similar results with experimenting and side chaining. But the 3639 does it out of the box off course. (Tbh they are cheap enough just to get one for the occasions you want this vibe)
@AC-cg6mf2 ай бұрын
This is like magic. Never knew this.
@philipguerrero112 ай бұрын
i appreciate that you a/b it a lot cus its helps learn the effect!
@tehedx2 ай бұрын
Aha, so that's how the choppy hi-hats were made on the 909. Nice information and as always, a good reproduction of nostalgic sounds and feelings!
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Its not the only way to do it off course. But it certainly sounds like it sometimes has been used like that.
@tehedx2 ай бұрын
@@Estuera I've been trying to make those on the TR-8S. It doesn't seem to have a 'hard cut decay', nor a noise gate. Edit: wait, it is possible by setting Decay = 0, Hold Mode = Time and Hold Time = ~10. Works for samples only. The 909 hat is a sample anyway :)
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
That is another way to do it indeed.
@garymayen330Ай бұрын
Great track you were inspired to produce
@_P_M_2 ай бұрын
Glad you are uploading again! Great video!
@VladoT2 ай бұрын
Great video, it was worth the wait!
@westerncivilization2 ай бұрын
Beautiful job.
@dxtrs_mnpltr2 ай бұрын
Yes, you should definitely get a 3630 as it’s a lovely bit of kit.
@thedutchgoonie29892 ай бұрын
je hebt echt talent, toen ik die muziek hoorde aan t begin was ik back in de 90s en had ik meteen zin om te dansen 🎵😅
@levimudhouse2 ай бұрын
Happy to see your vids again 😊 Very useful video as usual
@nasor3675Ай бұрын
great video! now taking a deeper look at mine after years of neglect
@KLOVOrecords2 ай бұрын
Hey @Estuera , thank you so much for showing this technique of compression in action, it's really interesting. CHEERS!
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
My pleasure
@KLOVOrecords2 ай бұрын
@@Estuera my friend have bought and repaired the Alesis 3630, and he also replaced the condensers with better ones, and you know - the compressor began sound cleaner and less noisy... Also we assembled the ssl diy comp - whatta a gem compressor. Analogue rules! After your video I'm excited to put the emulation of DBX comp on master channel and mix to it)))
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Does it still do the pumping though after those fixes?
@KLOVOrecords2 ай бұрын
@@Estuera year, the sound became just little beat better, that's it. Alesis used cheep components for this unit.
@marinerecords58corshagwen2 ай бұрын
Interesting, didactic, as usual. Merci!
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
My pleasure, as usual :)
@rapastronaut77Ай бұрын
very cool good sir
@SlaserX2 ай бұрын
Best $20 I've spent, it's actually not difficult to mod to improve the quality too
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
But why would you mod out the defects that make it unique?
@tunecrashersofficialАй бұрын
it is really working
@OdoSendaidokai2 ай бұрын
So nice episode! Thank you so much 🌻
@cyberjive3032 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks!
@jjohn12342 ай бұрын
I love the story
@c1966m2 ай бұрын
Awesome!
@marcuspatzer23922 ай бұрын
Big Like 66 my dear Friend 👍👈 Have a blessed Sunday ! 🌞🎹
@mysterio776902 ай бұрын
You got it!! Very good!
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
And its the sneaky debut of the TR-909 in the studio as well ;)
@ghal3on2 ай бұрын
sick vid !!!! these things are usually dirt cheap too
@brieken2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@deejayiwan72 ай бұрын
Awesome music, release full track
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Already done on bandcamp 😉 estuera.bandcamp.com/track/the-dirty-six-thirty
@korolchukpp2 ай бұрын
So cool!
@MrMarcLaflamme2 ай бұрын
That 909 looks like you just took it out of the box last week!
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I was very lucky to find one in this condition ☺️
@sheenodj2 ай бұрын
Great video 😎
@howtonot9729Ай бұрын
the daft punk sound apart from the genius sound design had a sweet spot between those us build mackies, the paralell dp4 phaser and yes that alesis compressor. its not easy to find that sweet spot wich will kind of fix the mix back in the day where u could not proper eq every signal especially on the sub. the pumping was def part of the mojo and i do think its quite hard to archive that with plug ins. they arrange the tracks on a roland s760 and printed to a revox 2 track coming from a panasonic dat. i think till this day its a very unique sonic signature that sounds timeless and has been not really archived by others. good video by the way :)
@EstueraАй бұрын
Yes, quite a few things going on that make those tracks sound the way they sound. For example the SP-1200 grit in the Stardust track is another element.
@samikalastaja2 ай бұрын
2:05 - Ian Pooley - Chord Memory (Daft Punk remix) - what an insanely great and groovy track.
@rothzn17 күн бұрын
Lekkere studio, pik.
@turbinchik2 ай бұрын
Hi! Miss about your different genres tutorial videos. ❤
@JargBeatzz2 ай бұрын
I'm the 1000th like thanks for the video it was really interesting !
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
🎉 Thanks 🎉
@justjoeblow4202 ай бұрын
I honestly find the pump you get from this more satisfying than a side chain as it actually pumps the entire signal. Usually you can tell by the tell tale hint of the kick will sound like it drops a a good bit during the pumps and how noticeable the drop in the kick frequencies is depends on the attack of the compressor.
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Indeed, I really like it :)
@thefunkydeep4462 ай бұрын
This kind of blew my mind… would this work with a standard vst compressor?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
You'll probably need to do sidechaining to get the similar pumping going on.
@relaxmax6808Ай бұрын
@@EstueraIt is acually possible to do it without sidechain in vst. I ve managed to do it . The secret sauce in the daw world is dynamic IMO , much more than in hardwares machines ' cause machines were very load in comparision du to analog twiking . Nowadays producers uses more a Gate/Sidechain with or without compression because they search more clean sound like with Kickstart , Xfer Lfo etc... But i m more oldschool sound educate and i love always this old trick coming from Radio Stars . The best way to do it in daw , it s to take time . The fisrt time , i pass a a whole night to found that sound and even by the sidechain way with a good vst comp. , i understood that there s differents parameters that we can adjust . But Masters Pumping is also possible without sidechain in vst . ( I think that the best way is to use the Daft Punk method using differents Bus to accentuate the dynamic contrast musicaly )
@ironmaskdj2 ай бұрын
In a few days I will publish a new video mix of early 90s techno songs. I mentioned and tagged your channel in the description, to make those who listen to my mixes understand how to use these machines in a professional way. There is no one on KZbin who explains it better than you. I saw your first video a year ago, the one in which you talked about the jp-8080, I've been following you assiduously since then. Thank you for your huge work❤️
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
My pleasure ☺️ Will be checking out your mix.
@ironmaskdj2 ай бұрын
@@Estuera I described you in another mix of mine that I published some time ago and which had good success. Since it was a collection of the most famous dance and eurodance songs of the 90s, in the description I mentioned your video where you explained how to make them. Congratulations again! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXWrhGRnoqZmi7ssi=8ZtKp3u5JSyN1TOl
@phuturemusicАй бұрын
Got myself one!
@Bigger-Circuitry-Bigger-SOUND2 ай бұрын
and the track ended up being Dope tho 👌🏻
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Thanks :)
@peglapegla2 ай бұрын
love it
@nanocyde_artist2 ай бұрын
You're not lying, it gets a bit messy in the rack with two of these and the sidechain insert cables plugged into the patchbay. But still worth it.
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Here its quite the jungle with the ADAT interfaces under that as well 😶
@Meteotrance2 ай бұрын
I have an old Peavy CEL 2 live compressor that can pump drum like shit out of it, this is radical but also support side chain compression that was also popular in italian house dance music like Benny benassi...
@codaroboАй бұрын
oh wow, it's fascinating that the effect doesn't actually use sidechaining... I've been sidechaining all these years thinking that was the secret, hah :)
@ouzzz_64802 ай бұрын
the cable management at 8:49 💀
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
😅
@codaroboАй бұрын
Googled the 3630 after watching this video, found one on ebay for $40... snagged that shit up, why not.
@EstueraАй бұрын
$40 is a good price. Make sure you get the correct power supply though. It' needs an ac-ac adaptor.
@jakce12 ай бұрын
Next add some Phaser-DDL from the Ensoniq DP/4.
@karimayoubi742 ай бұрын
Question - why this particular compressor? Could you not get the same pumping effect with any compressor?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Because that's the one they had or was cheap to get. Lots of music tech stories start like that.
@TheNextExit2 ай бұрын
hilarious i haven't turned this 3630 on for 20 years and now it's big again. are we advancing in the world or going backwards in life?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Wouldn't say it's big again. It is a fun bit of dance music history though.
@HG-jy6txАй бұрын
Could the distressor compressor achieve this pumping effect?
@EstueraАй бұрын
Exactly the same without using a sidechain probably not. But I haven't tried it myself so I can only speculate.
@redspiderz60372 ай бұрын
Hi, great video, how did you achieved the pumping sound of the polysix chords and the 909? could you explain what was plugged into the 3630 input, sidechain and output? what was the 909 kick and polysix chords plugged into, were they plugged separately? I'm trying to understand the idea, thanks for providing info ;)
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
I said it in the video: Both the Polysix and the 909 kick go into the same compressor input. That's it. No sidechaining needed, the 3630 starts pumping just because of sending in a loud kick and setting the settings quite extreme.
@redspiderz60372 ай бұрын
@@Estuera Thank you!
@samikalastaja2 ай бұрын
5:15 nooo! Turn it back on!
@macdaddybender2 ай бұрын
Great to see you back. Funny story, I used a 3630 years ago in my bass guitar rig. It's been sat upstairs in a cupboard for 20 years and I never even thought about using it for anything else
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Maybe time for some house beats 😁😬
@F.R.B.Synths2 ай бұрын
🙌🙌🙌
@Shred_The_Weapon2 ай бұрын
I’m curious. The Alesis hardware compressor I used to use is the NanoComp. Has that model got anything in common with the 3630, and does it qualify as a successor?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
I don't know but I think it doesn't. The thing with the 3630 is that it isn't a very 'good' compressor. In newer models Alesis probably fixed and improved the design.
@Shred_The_Weapon2 ай бұрын
Thank you,@@Estuera. Noted.
@moksound192 ай бұрын
wouldve been good to have audio samples of the referenced songs to hear as you mentioned them to better understand what you're describing.
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
I agree but you know that would get problematic because of copyright reasons. So unfortunately looking up (and enjoying) these tracks is left as an exercise for the viewer 😉
@davehkhed2 ай бұрын
What’s actually happening there with the gate setting?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
The threshold to open the gate gets increased which causes only peaks to get through. This creates the 'choppy' effect.
@matias871HF2 ай бұрын
excellent video! what plugins do you recommend to achieve a similar result?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
I think using sidechaining will probably get you close on many compressors. I would start with the stock compressors that come with the daw and just try different settings. There also might be an actual 3630 plugin, I seem to remember seeing that somewhere.
@cheater002 ай бұрын
Nice. But isn't that possible with pretty much any fast attack compressor that does 10:1 or more?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Well, the only way to truly know is to test this side by side (something I didn't want to do in this video to keep the focus). What I have read about this though is that there really is something about the way the compression circuit is designed that causes this very distinct pumping effect. It's basically not a very good design at all which causes it to behave in an erratic way which has the pumping sound as a (lucky) side effect. 'Better' compressors need to be side chained to get the same effect.
@cheater002 ай бұрын
@@Estuera interesting TY
@FatalFriction2 ай бұрын
What VST would you recommend to get close to the 3630?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
I think the best option to start is take a stock daw compressor, use quite extreme settings and sidechain it. I do not know if there currently is an actual emulation available. As I said in the video: if you really want the exact same thing, you can get the hardware, these are not expensive. But you can just as well take the spirit of that smashed pumping sound and try to dial it in on any vst compressor of your choice. (With various results of course but that's not a bad thing as you might hit upon other interesting sounds along the way)
@Meteotrance2 ай бұрын
Valley people dynamite from softube do an excellent job AT that kind of pumping gated compressor.
@bontempo127121 күн бұрын
I'm guessing you have Peak mode on ? And what about the knee ? Hard or Soft ?
@Estuera21 күн бұрын
Peak mode indeed and hard knee
@bontempo127119 күн бұрын
@@Estuera oh man, excellent, thanks for the response !
@Clownie_Smiles2 ай бұрын
It is interesting how much of electronic music was influenced by the equipment that was available
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Technology is indeed quite a big influence on all music, especially electronic music off course.
@klinkske2 ай бұрын
So the question that stays is: what will the new stuff (plugins??) bring to the music in the future… we kinda went full circle on hardware
@dxtrs_mnpltr2 ай бұрын
@@klinkskeThe thing with hardware effects/instruments is that they behave unexpectedly when misused due to the circuit components, giving way to happy accidents and new music styles. I’d say with software it is different since there are no ageing components, resistance tolerances, converters and stuff like that.
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
There already have been some examples of software influencing the sound of certain genres. The most controversial one is auto tune of course. It is telling though that a lot of the popular vstis are emulating classic synths... I have been happily using those though before I got the chance to move back to hardware.
@captainsustain2 ай бұрын
ah what a sound!
@Sonikbytes2 ай бұрын
Had no idea this was done without SC... will have to try that one day. How do you handle bass?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
It does kill some bass so I added some eq after the compressor.
@WAZA___2 ай бұрын
Why a 150ms release? And what is your attack set to?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
The attack was set to about 1ms, release to about 240ms, (Its already quite a bit past the 150 mark) ratio +- 8:1 Why? Because that's how it sounded the way I wanted. There is some reasoning behind it of course. Very fast attack so it only leaves a bit of punch in the beginning. Release set to a time that gets everything pumping in a nice rhythm. A big ratio because being subtle is not what this kind of sound is about.
@WAZA___2 ай бұрын
@@Estuera 👍
@els1fАй бұрын
It's absolutely disgusting and I love it! It's a beautifully nasty compressor and if you push it, it'll sound like a distortion pedal lol
@klinkske2 ай бұрын
Surprised to see you use a P6 and not the clichė j60 or 106
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
I fell in love with the Polysix 20 years ago when it was released as a plugin. I used it in so much of my music I decided to get the real thing if I ever got the chance. So I eventually did. It's very different from the plugin but I really love it.
@Vincefromsin2 ай бұрын
RMS or Peak ? Hard or Soft knee?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
For this effect you'll need peak mode with a hard knee.
@Vincefromsin2 ай бұрын
@@Estuera Thx for the quick answer! ❤
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the very valid question 👍
@Vincefromsin2 ай бұрын
@@Estuera I had a 3630 years ago. Now I’m more a GML 8900 person 😂😎
@danielsolomon632 ай бұрын
Where was this video when i decided to sell mine?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
There are quite a few videos about the 3630 though ;) Although not all of them really put it in a very good light :D Which isn't a bad thing though because now you can find them for about EUR 100 which is imo more than enough for this device.
@Judasz6962 ай бұрын
What to use instead nowdays?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
I'd say any other compressor with sidechaining and extreme settings might get you there as well.
@Judasz6962 ай бұрын
@@Estuera must be a hardware compressor or vst will also work nicely?
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
Vst will also get you there I'm sure.
@justinhuffman24302 ай бұрын
SAUCE****
@LEO-333-m2 ай бұрын
This is on bus or only in master
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
That's what I said indeed (and what is shown in the video) Although it actually still works quite well on single channels.
@LEO-333-mАй бұрын
@@Estuera Cool ty, will rewatch, i have read about it being bit noisy, so better mixed with a bus.
@mastermachetier5594Ай бұрын
I lost the power supply to my 3630 lol😅
@EstueraАй бұрын
Be careful when looking for a replacement as its an AC-AC adaptor.
@mastermachetier5594Ай бұрын
@@Estuera thanks ! Due to plugins it’s been sitting for like 2 years haha but this inspired me to mess around again 😜
@MarkErikEE2 ай бұрын
Cool video. Being a computer nerd I hate plugins :) I prefer the old school approach of using real devices doing their quirky magic within their capabilities.
@krz90002 ай бұрын
Was a big fan of the no manual but pressing all the buttons and see what you get type of way. But that only worked in the simple times...now with beasts like unreal engine this way leads you nowhere.
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
True, some things are too complex to get going without reading the manual. Although even then you sometimes can find out some unexpected things after you get the basics down.
@abydos-musique2 ай бұрын
The trap is having too much material, it eliminates creativity.
@Estuera2 ай бұрын
I always say: less is more (but the temptation to get more vintage gear is very real 😅)
@klinkske2 ай бұрын
I don’t agree. Pick a few thing out of the collection, spend some time. And next month pick a few others. Or don t.