French Lion: The Peugeot 205 T16 Group B Rally Story (Part 1)

[@taffymk1244]

T16..king of grp B... brilliant story telling, pt2 soon..thanks for taking the time and effort of making this vid...👍👍

[@Marvdogger2]

No problem. Be awhile yet before PT 2 is done.

[@jojoanggono3229]

As a teenager back in 1980s, I grew up adoring the Talbot T16. The raspy and uneven idling sound is very peculiar unlike many other engine of group B machine.

[@nightowlrally]

That must've been so incredible! Did you ever see it in person?

[@chucku00]

The Talbot WRC car was the Sunbeam Lotus. This one is the Peugeot 205 T16.

[@carjourney5157]

This is truly a masterpiece, I'm so glad you decided to make a documentary on the T16.

[@peekaboo1575]

If this is going to be anything like the 4 part video on the Delta S4's story then I am delighted. Thank you for your hard work, Marv! I hope you're doing well.

[@Marvdogger2]

Thank you. I’ve been busy with life but settling back into things now. This will hopefully be there or four parts. It all depends how much I cover in part 2.

[@tinusjacobs2814]

@@Marvdogger2 Thanks so much for the amazing work, truly did not want this to finish as it was so insightful and masterfully put together.

[@Steven4cr]

​@@Marvdogger2 Amazing work but Remember to put also Henri toivonen a morte that was a spectacular video 🙌

[@frazerguest2864]

Marv uploads. I click quick as a flash.

[@NathanMcCabe88]

Same!!

[@chrissyjay100]

Grow up.

[@TheRUBrally]

oh yes!!! Great doc Marv

[@atharvaatre3273]

I love this please bring out part 2 as fast as possible

[@aureliobrighton1871]

As you know how well you put this together, I just can fully agree. All lections to be learned are laid out already. Cheers.

[@mk1cortinatony395]

Thanks Marv I'm loving this take on specific cars. Great to "see" you again

[@ChopperMeir]

Absolutely fantastic as always, looking forward to the next part. Apart from Ari's big crash, how he survived is a miracle.

[@cortecz]

Fantastic work. Looking forward to the rest. Thank you.

[@alfredoramirez9739]

My first time seeing marv’s vids. Spectacular. Gracias 👍🏼 here is my subs,!!

[@Marvdogger2]

Thank you.

[@rolandet]

Yellow subs are a bit hard to read in the start. Other than that: Fantastic video of my favourite car ever. Thanks !

[@Marvdogger2]

I’ll make them a shade darker for part 2.

[@davidf2281]

@@Marvdogger2 I would put them on top of a 50% opaque black backdrop-box, then they'll stand out regardless of the colour of the video underneath.

[@jonnoMoto]

@@Marvdogger2 a thin outline of a contrasting colour or a contrasting background, as the other person suggested, works better

[@panvar8469]

Some years ago you did the S4 story...I was waiting for this one...❤

[@Marvdogger2]

I never got around to finishing the S4 one unfortunately. I’ll finish this one though might just be a while.

[@vaiossey]

Esta historia es maravillosa y esta cronológicamente muy bien contada, una edición maravillosa, excelente muchas gracias por esta aventura audiovisual.

[@klasseact6663]

The videos are further inbetween but NEVER...EVER disappoint, THANK YOU MARV🙏❗️👍📣

[@NathanMcCabe88]

Great video as usual!! Looking forward to part 2!! 😊

[@fr4gl3]

It feels like it was yesterday.

[@АнатолийЦиник]

Waiting for second part, very nice

[@dusankocisevic6823]

Thanks a million, Marv. Just keep them coming🙏🙏🙏

[@marjoleinvreken808]

Great documentary, thanks

[@AyrtonSenna19820]

Very good! Great video! Great job! Looking forward to Part 2!!!

[@polzovatel009]

Marv Great video, thank you!

[@pedroleal7118]

That was great!

[@ldowling2714]

Great videos, thanks

[@Marvdogger2]

Thanks for taking the time to watch it.

[@CaptainKrimson]

great stuff! looking forward to part 2

[@kevdavies3445]

really enjoyed that thanks

[@Marvdogger2]

That's really kind thank you. I hope you will watch Part 2 also.

[@Oliver3863]

At 35:48 is it great Timo Makinen speaking with Ari, and surely Kalle Grundel ??

[@Marvdogger2]

Well spotted they were doing ice notes for him and advising on tyre choice.

[@carlosmagnus717]

It amuses me that the icon of Group B cars today is the Audi Quattro (like it was won it all), a car that had more to do with a street car (a "liberalized" Group A to understand us) than a Group B if we take reference at what that the Regulation said, that spoke of prototypes, although opened the doors to the old Group 4 cars such as the Ascona 400 (Manta 400 as an extension of the same), Nissan 240 RS or even the Toyota Celica Twincam, although the latter to a lesser extent, or even cars like the Citroën Visa or the Talbot Samba, which were completely obsolete cars and with disegn totally street cars. And yes it is true, Audi was the pioneer of all-wheel drive in rallies, but technically speaking it was not true Group B, and that was its main handicap to be competitive, especially taking into account a very uneven weight distribution, apart from all the reliability issues they had for years, not just when they debuted. Lancia did create authentic Group B cars with the 037 and the Delta S4. The latter was a 100% prototype since both its engine and its chassis were specific, they had nothing to do with production cars. Lancia 037 had an engine derived from the series (from the Fiat 131 Abarth street engine with a volumetric compressor that produced 140 CV) and the monocoque of its chassis derived from that of a Lancia Beta Montecarlo, which was designed with 2 especific tubular subframes (front and rear) and to which the placement of the engine was changed from being transverse to longitudinal. In the case of the Peugeot, happened something like that, the central monocoque derived from a 3-door 205 that was cut in half and a rear "subframe" was attached to it, where the engine, gearbox and most of the mechanical parts. Of the rest elements, both the transmission and the suspensions and the dimensions of the width of the axles as well as the wheelbase had nothing to do with the street car. The engine was a special version created "on purpose" of the XU family of PSA series engines (XU8T), specifically derived from the XU9D Diesel cast block that already equipped the Talbot Horizon, with a 16-valve cylinder head of new design.

[@carlosalastrue5341]

I forgot, great video, like all the ones you post Marvdogger

[@jeancharlesrabaux5658]

Vivement que je me refasse une voitures de courses parfaite Peugeot sport bien sûr 🙏😔🤲🇫🇷😘👉

[@terencegros6326]

La Peugeot 205 c'est le sacré numéro qui a sauver la firme Sochalienne de la faillite avec le succès du modèle de série lors de sa très longue carrière de 1983 à 1998 mais c'est aussi un monstre Français avec la 205 Turbo 16 qui allait devenir la machine de guerre de la marque au lion et le symbole du succès en Groupe B Jean Todt le patron de Peugeot Talbot Sport souhaitait recruter le double champion du monde 1980 et 1982 Walter Röhrl , Markku Alèn le champion du monde en 1978 vice champion du monde en 1986 face à Juha Kankkunen avec sa Delta S4 , Stig Blomqvist le champion du monde 1984 avec Audi ou encore Henri Toivonen le futur champion du monde 1986 disparu trop tôt en Corse mais son choix est porté sur Ari Vatanen le champion du monde 1981 . Si en 1983 Jean Pierre Nicolas développait la 205 Turbo 16 c'est à partir de 1984 que la 205 T16 va faire sa moisson de victoire avec trois victoires d'Ari Vatanen aux Milles Lacs devant les deux pilotes Lancia Markku Alen et Henri Toivonen suivi du San Remo et du RAC . 1985 Ari Vatanen remporte le Monte Carlo devant Röhrl et Audi suivi de la Suède et Timo Salonen remporte le Portugal , l'Acropole , l'Argentine profitant du terrible accident de Vatanen , la Nouvelle Zélande et les Milles Lacs pour remporter son premier titre de champion du monde des Pilotes et Peugeot celui des Constructeurs dans une ambiance de tragédie avec le décès d'Attilio Bettega qui a trouvé la mort au Tour de Corse 1985 . Audi a Sauver l'honneur avec la victoire au San Remo devant Alen et Toivonen et en cette saison 85 Henri Toivonen remporte le RAC au volant de sa Lancia Delta S4 devant son coéquipier Alen puis Toivonen récidive à nouveau avec la S4 en décrochant une troisième victoire en carrière au Monte Carlo puis c'est Juha Kankkunen qui obtient des victoires en Suède à l'Acropole , en Nouvelle Zélande et aux Milles Lacs permettant à Peugeot de décrocher un deuxième titre de champion du monde des constructeurs devant Lancia et sa Delta S4 dans une saison 86 marquer de nouveau par les tragédies avec le carnage du Portugal avec la grève des pilotes qui réclament plus de sécurité dans les rallyes et le mort tragique D'Henri Toivonen et de Sergio Cresto au Tour de Corse 86 alors qu'il était parti pou remporter une 4e victoire pour se relancer dans la course au titre face à Kankkunen , Alen , Salonen lui le vainqueur du rallye de la Costa Smeralda en Sardaigne comptant pour le championnat d'Italie des rallyes qui entrainera la suppression du Groupe B à la fin de la saison 86 et l'annulation du Groupe S prévu pour 1988 laissant le champ libre pour le Groupe A en 1987 car dans cette situation la bataille entre Peugeot et Lancia était à son paroxysme avec le scandale du San Remo avec la victoire controversé d'Alen qui a été annulé plus la victoire de Salonen au RAC conclu la présence de Peugeot en Groupe B favorisant du même coup le titre de champion du monde des pilotes à Juha Kankkunen qui dominera le Groupe A quelques années plus tard et la 205T16 va être la reine du Dakar à partir de 1987 . Lancia avait gagner sportivement avec les victoires au RAC 85 , Monte Carlo , Argentine , San Remo dont le résultat est annulé et l'Olympus Rallye . Jean Pierre Nicolas , Vatanen , Salonen , Kankkunen , Bruno Saby , Michelle Mouton vice championne du monde en 1982 , Andrea Zanussi ont marquer l'histoire de la Peugeot 205 Turbo 16!

[@roman_flash28]

Great to have you back with one more fascinating piece of Mosport History, TX Marv! What was it with Walters mishap that made him loose the rally so quickly. Slicks on snow it was, wasn't it?

[@Marvdogger2]

Slicks on snow plus hitting wall and an electrical fire.

[@aymericguth2213]

Thanks for these beautiful images and audio 😁 Speaking of which can you tell us the name of the track playing at 22:51 ?

[@Marvdogger2]

Thanks so much. I'll look up what the piece of music is.

[@pabloeing1]

AWESOME VIDEO ¡¡¡¡

[@Orvieta]

Documentaries on TV or streaming devices don't hit this kind of emotional impact.

[@Marvdogger2]

Wow thank you.

[@erikscariot5937]

Here it goes epic motorsport era.... why today cars dont have same appeal /carisma....

[@derrickstorm6976]

Could I ask to not use yellow text color the next time? Especially the first line is awful to read when the usually white-ish pictures are moving on the background

[@firoxlion]

Hot damn that was good!

[@jeancharlesrabaux5658]

Super voitures

[@MUSICSEARCH1200]

Marv, you are a legend to us, the GroupBLovers… When you can, please do the same with the beasts Audi 🙏🏻… fantastic to see your Time Machine again 🙌🏻🥹

[@fraserconnell21]

Ari was "unsure" of Henri Toivenen.... IMHO. Because Ari knew Henri would doubtless eclipse Ari.

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

same with Walter not wanting to race at 1000 lakes, fins are scary

[@nelsonvelasco5822]

I wish you had Ai read the text on the videos

[@Scleroful]

Poteva anche farlo l'autografo al tipo Sting 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@mhh7544]

Aris crash on Corse is spectacular.

[@jeancharlesrabaux5658]

Je donnerai un rein pour une 205 turbo 16s ❤😊

[@jeancharlesrabaux5658]

Depuis peay speak avec le 406 2 portes je suis cher vous et déjà mais oncles rouler que peugeot mon père Renault et ford ❤ 😊

[@anaconda6147]

23:07 Milk

[@Marvdogger2]

One of his sponsors was a Finnish milk company so he never drank champagne on the podium.

[@mhh7544]

Whatta time for a finnish boy like I was, I`ll tell ya.

[@andyjohnson4767]

Again, great video, but I dont know who is writing the figures, they are way off in terms of BHP. They started off with a lot more power than 320, closer to 385 in 84, in 85 with the E2 460 HP (at 2.6 bar) to 550 HP (at 3.0 bar)