Friedman and Sowell on Equality

[@eldexxo]

"like most people, i have never seen a pollster" The guy's a genius :D

[@BorreLira]

"How to make a socialist go mad" Sowell level.

[@jessejive117]

As if a poll determines what policy prescriptions are most effective as a solution lol And then they butcher the actually results of the poll as it is. Omitting info, etc.

[@MIAcane23]

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand what he means by that. Could you please explain it to me? I've been trying to figure it out for a while now, but it just went over my head (along with many other things that originate from this brilliant man lol)

[@krys8494]

MIAcane23 it as it is said...he has never seen someone conducting a poll...only sees that it has been done lol like most of us

[@thedfferencetab1977]

krys powerful. (As I take it) that he would need to evaluate the “pollster” to see what their biases are to determine if their poll is actually just) It’s similar to the Fish tree climbing sentiment.

[@Koldeman]

I'm full-blooded Native American and it drives me nuts how people get so angry about the moniker for the Washington Redskins on our behalf. It's almost more racist to be upset FOR us. This is exactly the problem Dr. Sowell has illustrated. Sowell is an intellectual giant. I love how Friedman chuckles to the side. YES- Conservative Native Americans exist.

[@Mharriscreations]

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the local tribes that gave the blessing and endorsement for the team being called The Redskins?

[@huevosconchorizo8404]

You tell'em bro!

[@russellbarber5001]

Thats ashame, they are now officially changing the name now in July 13, 2020! It was bound to happen I just wish it wasnt in my generation. I stand with u my Native American brother💯🙏🇺🇸

[@russellbarber5001]

@smoosh smoosh brah SMH... Im Black with some Native Indian blood so what are talking about. And even if I were white, asian, or hispanic I would still call him my bother! We are ALL1 Race, 1 Nation, UNDER GOD!

[@russellbarber5001]

@Bobby Brady Who the hec u calling an idiot! Call this number and say it to my face. .. 6108003507. Im waiting to hear u. How u gonna call me a racist cuz I said Im black mixed with Native American? Im aware of my ancestry and my nationally. Im a proud young Christian Conservative American so what are u talking bout... It people like u who mess it up for the rest of us true patriots. ... P.s Im still waiting chump. P.s.s Jesus Loves u and so does i. But im still wating...

[@AWO4me]

Thomas Sowell is simply brilliant. His book Basic Economics should be in every classroom.

[@gurpchirp]

just finished it tonight. easily in the top 5 most eye-opening, mind-changing books i've read.

[@30minutesLess]

I was considering purchasing it this post has sent me to do so

[@xackman2407]

@@gurpchirp what are the remaining 4?

[@gurpchirp]

​@@xackman2407 How the Mind Works -Steven Pinker Scale- Geoffrey West The Righteous Mind- Jonathan Haidt Guns Germs and Steel- Jared Diamond

[@xackman2407]

@@gurpchirp thanx for replying

[@tha1ne]

thomas sowell kicking ass and taking names!

[@maristsp]

The tragedy is that Sowell is more of a hero amongst white conservatives than blacks. If only blacks held the same admiration for Thomas Sowell as they do for Al Sharpton, Malcolm X or even MLK, they would be much better off in America today.

[@davidparkes1391]

Josh Schwartz facts!!

[@MrSilus2000]

If blacks (generally speaking) held real admiration for Malcolm X then they wouldn't continuously vote Democrat or look to the government at all to solve their problems. That was contrary to everything he stood for.

[@MrSilus2000]

Dennis Boyd Black folks vote 95% Democrat every year. They aren't thinking for themselves. The white liberal has seduced the black mind, as Malcolm X warned.

[@dwbkmj]

Silus That doesn't prove anything but your own biases.

[@MrSilus2000]

Dennis Boyd It also proves that black folks will vote for Democrats regardless of what they do for them. That's basically being a slave and not thinking for yourself.

[@billmelater6470]

Savage. Sowell is a force to be reckoned with and we need him now more than ever.

[@gen2917]

“ …like most people, I have NEVER seen a pollster.” - Thomas Sowell Absolutely BRILLIANT 👏🏼

[@larkydozer]

Thomas Sowell is a national treasure. It was sad to see how little attention the media gave to Friedman's passing. I hope Sowell sticks around 'til he's 100!

[@Mrminejoocraft]

I hope this continues to age like wine.

[@johnomara849]

A young rambunctious Thomas Sowell. I love it.

[@thebestSteven]

(He's around 50years old here. I know, he aged better than most)

[@moulieswaraprasad9567]

"It was you who chose to express it, damn it" Awesome way to wordslap a leftist by Sowell!!!

[@bentuber1]

Thomas Sowell. Why is this man not known internationally? Genius!! One of the greatest people to walk the face of the Earth.

[@snehaparashar6377]

"Intellectuals were not in that protest movement, black people were in that protest movement" Ummm excuse me Miss????

[@josholdham1033]

Didn’t even notice that line. Cringe!

[@jonathankr]

Don't think she meant it like that.

[@jcyt0511]

I wonder if it's the same brand shoe purchased at K-Mart that her, Biden et al out in their own mouths.

[@oneepie]

Not surprising. She founded a plan with her husband to overwhelm the welfare state. The plan was to impoverish more minorities and have them seek assistance and force a prototype of universal income. Like many of her ilk she just views blacks and others as ends to a mean.

[@gooble69]

"It's not a question of what Black people chose to do, it's what you chose to put in the mouths of Black people, it's what you choose to project." 40 year later and we still have the same problem...

[@ryebr3ad]

For instance, insisting that the 'b' in black needs to be capitalized, therefore homogenizing black people under one label

[@asoncalledvoonch2210]

Yep. Only it's worse because our society is so dumbed down and lied to more than it was 40 or 50 years ago

[@alexanderruchkov7629]

@No Name lol, didnt get the irony still liked it

[@boxant]

"Like most people, I have never seen a pollster." A+

[@gorecassady1632]

Hey!

[@brianrajala7671]

Thomas Sowell, national treasure and wealth of common sense!

[@deathbycognitivedissonance5036]

You done pissed off the most composed and ever keeled intellectual ever known. Concede the argument and apologize. Lol

[@markusmatthew7044]

"Nahhhh!" Lol never seen Thomas react before. Lol

[@Drchainsaw77]

Milton Friedman's _Free to Choose_ series, along with James Burke's _Connections_ should be required viewing and understanding for every sophomore in high school.

[@mrurapidtesting1152]

"Like most people I have never seen a pollster". You tell her Mr. Sowell.

[@rickbruner]

I also love this man. I'm a WASP and to hear a black man speak who has risen above racist and economic scapegoats of victimization is truly inspiring. He needs no one's help - least of all the government's... and because of that, I cannot help but love him. Even more remarkable is that he was speaking this truth 30 years ago in times when racism and discrimination were far more rampant than they are today. Sadly, we now go backwards as a society as political correctness to the nth degree

[@danielsin5563]

Equality of Outcome as a result of equality of opportunity has already been proven wrong. If any of you have listened to Dr. Peterson, he makes clear of the point that experiments with egalitarian industrial societies have shown that equal opportunities for both males and females do not lead to equal results but rather a much greater reality of differences in terms of occupations.

[@stewhooey1294]

I don't think she's necessarily espousing equality of outcome- just conditions that can lead to equality of opportunity (access to education,etc) - I think those conditions are now in place, but they certainly weren't in the 50's- thus the need to protest at that time.

[@WoefulPie]

@@stewhooey1294 She was trying to draw a false correlation between the two. And failed, like they always do when talking to a person of intelligence and not ideology. Mr. Sowell said it as well as anyone can, human nature is too diverse and varied to achieve equal outcomes without first stripping away most if not all personal liberties. And reality repeatedly bears him out on this point, and will continue to do so.

[@jn6305]

Stew Hooey the left does though - they don’t see the difference because they assume outcomes will be equal when opportunity is. This is the common message of “egalitarianism” in the left. Peterson’s interview with Cathy Newman exposed this.

[@willharriman1881]

Continuing multigenerational race discrimination against Black Americans is one of the core features of the white American system! Vast, massive damage from white racism is the central cause of nearly all nearly ALL BLACK FAILURES!

[@RFM-]

I find both of these MEN to be AMAZING. I could listen to both of them ALL DAY.

[@scottshanahan3827]

At :27 when Friedman showed up in the window I cracked up.

[@goodneighbourgabe2723]

that's my boy

[@niconesta8566]

Amazing how far ahead he was at this point in time. If only his pov was taught widespread decades ago.

[@dericksuapaia]

“If you look at the leadership in the black...” yeah, I definitely felt she forgot that she was talking to a black man. And that black man was, Thomas Sowell.

[@TeaParty1776]

How can Sowell be black? Hes not Leftist!

[@dericksuapaia]

@@TeaParty1776 are you basing someone’s skin color and culture off a ideology?

[@TeaParty1776]

@@dericksuapaia SARCASM!!!!!

[@goPistons06]

it is such a pleasure to watch these two men, intelligent and rational men. more people should listen to them. i think they make a kick-ass duo.

[@TsarOfRuss]

Oh noooo woman!!! you choose the wrong person to argue with !!! not Thomas Sowell, you will be ruined !!!!

[@5277088]

She’s Jewish

[@281cu6]

@@5277088 Why does religious beliefs matter in this instance?

[@stupididiot3467]

This guys a legend. Untouchable in debates and comes back with the best retorts. I wish he'd live forever.

[@kev3d]

I am reminded of the short story "Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut, in which equality is achieved through the deliberate handicapping of the more talented members of society. Thinkers have ringers in their ears which break their concentration, the handsome are disfigured, the graceful forced to wear weights and bonds. All in the name of fairness. Its quite a good, if depressing, story.

[@perspectiveiseverything1694]

Sounds like what is happening today. Ringers- unlimited digital wifi & social media distractions causing brain fog, addiction, & mental/emotional impairment. Disfigurement - fillers, implants, surgeries, & butchering of the young. Weights & bonds- obesity & society inflicted illnesses that disable.

[@hamzamohamed6748]

Forget the debate. Look how respectful everyone is, how great everyone is dressed and their posture. I wish I was born in this era.

[@lukeleonard2801]

Thomas Sowell is such a great man

[@stumac869]

Good parenting is probably the most important part of the equation in respect to success. Why do the left try to bring everybody down to the level of the worst parenting. We need to help people born at the bottom to reach the same level as those at the top, not the reverse.

[@zoechessa5698]

I think you have a misinterpretation of equal opportunity vs equal outcome

[@idkdamn978]

It's easier to villify the top because there are so few. Claiming to benefit the poor brings in votes and bleeding hearts across the country

[@SciVias917]

Something hilarious to me in the image of Milton peering in through the window.

[@scottshanahan3827]

I just made a similar comment. I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that

[@DavidPerez-oj2dv]

IT'S NEVER ABOUT RACE IT'S ABOUT HOW YOUR RAISED

[@rayhanes1347]

Remember what Malcolm X said about white liberals and if you don't remember you need to go find out or refresh.

[@RFM-]

I remember.........

[@WoefulPie]

Paraphrased: The white conservative is a growling wolf, the white liberal a smiling fox. And they'll both eat you. Malcolm X was a bigoted fear monger and pseudo-intellectual, not worth quoting or remembering.

[@GuaraldiGuy]

I wish that I were as smart as Thomas Sowell. Nothing but wisdom ever flows from his lips and his pen. I loved that he was so passionate about this.

[@BrownLaundry]

“Most people resent one, but not the other”; smash cut to 2020 and we have full spectrum resentment. Smh

[@davidolson8537]

Friedman completely overlooks the possibility and even likelihood that many children have great talent that goes undiscovered for lack of opportunity, awareness, and encouragement.

[@richcook2007]

That is a function of the family. Why families are necessary.

[@avinashjagdeo]

Seems like the age of this level of intellectual discourse is over without intellectual heavyweights like Sowell and Friedman debating anymore.

[@TeaParty1776]

Listen to intellectuals from the Ayn Rand Institute, eg, Yaron Brook, Alex Epstein.

[@DrSnowglobes]

Love me some swaggy Thomas Sowell. That body reposition after the pollster quip was pure bliss. 👑

[@ksasaami]

I wish I was a student this great intellectual

[@brainwashingdetergent4322]

Where are these debaters today?

[@moa3810]

Jerry Springer

[@jimgallagher5902]

Mr. Sowell is WONDERFUL!!! I LOVE IT when he tears down the idiocies of know nothings.

[@AJAX556]

Be nice if there were debates like this today.

[@robrick9361]

*SOWELL INTENSIFIES*

[@Wuisini]

Man I just came across Thomas Sowell and man is he a great. More people should study and watch content from him. He doesn’t pull any punches.

[@okayillgonow]

"You expressed it, damn it~!" XD

[@fergusbyett8088]

It's a shame the conversation got derailed on something of a technicality at the end - she raised a fair point about the viability of equal opportunity being dependent on people starting from a somewhat comparable place. When some kids go to school without lunch, and others have all kinds of access to expensive extra-curricular activities, this can hardly be said to be a society of equal opportunity. It would have been interesting to hear Sowell's response to this.

[@Kellyg218]

yeah go play that viola on the subway see how far that talent takes ya....maybe to the next happy meal.

[@rumco]

Wow, Thomas was really at it :) Good man.

[@yadirbear]

4:40 You see Sowell swing his arm at the lady.

[@TruGank]

That's an old school New Yorker hand gesture for "Da fuck outta here..."

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

Thats no lady... thats a leftist feminazi.. 🙄😂

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

Thats no lady... thats a leftist feminazi.. 🙄😂

[@wowsa0]

There is one crucial ethical difference between the inheritance of talent and the inheritance of wealth. Inheritance of talent is a fact of life, inheritance of wealth is something society chooses to perform.

[@teteudeu]

@wowsa0 Being able to handle having lots of money is a skill that rich parents can teach their children.

[@sheldonbass4238]

I love the plethora of mike drop moments from both Friedman and Sowell. The rationale expounded by most elitist psuedo-intellectuals is nothing but a contrived, self-percieved intellectual superiority, and when true reason that conforms to reality is presented to them, it goes right over their heads. Their arguments become pure rhetoric with no substantive answers to the issues they wrongly perceive.

[@johnrobie9694]

As Friedman said, a society that puts more importance on equal outcomes than individual freedom; will end up with neither. And as Sowell said, individuals are not even equal to themselves throughout their lifetime; let alone others.

[@selmergrunon]

you can not inhereted talent you have to work at it all you need is : lessons.supporting parents,money,a room to practice,lessons,the right inveroment,time to practice,.ect ect-outliers

[@dynamicflashy]

Mozart was literally one guy. A timeless genius. Was his mother or father also timeless geniuses? Did all whom were related to him (and thus shared an element of his DNA) rise to Mozart's level of musical genius? Genius is, by definition, exceptional.

[@matepesut]

"You can not inherit talent," Clearly some are developed. You inherited a talent in being a dumbass on the internet, when it was not present during the time of your parents.

[@BernardBrunu1]

There are alot of lazy talented people

[@Mbsmoothe]

@jimberkt thats true when you differenciate the two but what Dr. Freidman was pointing out is from an ethical point of view, why is it seen as acceptable for people to exploit talent, but frowned upon for people to exploit the fact that they are born into a family business or the opportunity for a good education? the students were able to hone their musical talent (from family and genetics) which is more virtuous then other people who learn skills to make money from their family and wealth.

[@frankscarborough1428]

Two great men! Sowell and Friedman.

[@brenttaylordotus]

Oh that’s awesome I’ve never seen him fired up like that. Excellent closing comment by the way.

[@noiphetso1]

Now that Mr. Sowell has mentioned it, I too have never seen or talk to a pollster but sure have heard and seen many polls.

[@brucefetter]

A profitable degree, in terms of pure income, does point toward the sciences (although less and less). But as a teacher of economics, and as someone with a higher income, I am continually reminded that utility and satisfaction are not rising with income. This is also a fact that can be looked up.

[@JimmyJump007]

Sowell and Friedman are both brilliant men.

[@jackooboy1]

The difference between someone who is just given money, vs. being bought a business, vs. being bought an education is that the later two add value to society, while the first one doesn't...

[@aaronvaunts41]

“Intellectuals were not in that protest movement! Black people were in that protest movement” - she saying it was a grass roots movement but it’s interesting how her argument eventually sound racialist 🤤 like no black person could be an intellectual

[@ALIENDNA14]

She said exactly what she meant; and also despite whether or not, she even meant to... That's what's called a Freudian slip, at the very least.

[@ad80ad]

- Give less wealthy people the possibility to build their own wealth helping them to develop their skills - not "punish" people on the top, but making people on the top a driving force to raise (and not to crush) less fortunate people.

[@Goodatconnect4]

@Mike10four I don't think that Jefferson was talking about all life when he mentioned those rights (after all, he used the word "Men" meaning mankind). How do you define "happiness"? Depression- as I understand it, and please correct me if I am wrong, you've linked happiness with survival. If the depressed one survives, then he is happy. Of course the converse would be: if one is happy, then they survive; but the same can be said for those who are sad and angry- they survive as well.

[@GorgonDrageil]

At first, I thought Sowell was holding a smart phone at 4:42 👀 lol.

[@dwaynejoyce1357]

I love Thomas passion and reasoned arguments he is so right as a middle aged white man from Australia I've watched him from afar with admiration He is truly one of the great intellects of the 21st century. By the way that women had the hots for Tom. He was a fine rooster back in the day

[@Questfortruth86]

This woman's argument is truly brilliant. If you're born poor, you are poor, it's your nature; the fact that you're human is merely accidental. Thus, we must steal from those who are not 'naturally poor' and give it to those who are 'naturally poor.' But if they're naturally poor, what good will other people's money do for them? The task seems self-defeating, paradoxical.

[@kevchu8045]

@seiferganon Agreed. I find that Milton's original argument of talent and wealth at first seemed to make sense. However, I think one has to listen more than once in order to understand the flaw in his statement. It all goes to show that one must think for themselves and not absorb every bit of information from even the most influential speakers.

[@JADEGATETIGRESS]

Well said, Dr. Sowell. Well said, indeed, sir.

[@hdsrvc]

it would be great if milton friedman was still around!

[@jdeitering]

Inherited wealth is entirely capitalistic, Mr. Zeldovich. The beauty of property rights in a free society is that the owners of capital ARE the ones who allocate it most efficiently, or else they won't own the capital very long. Wealth will always flow to where it can be used most efficiently, that's why no one was interesting in investing in the soviet union. Where did the investment go? New York, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc. PS- The 500 character limit sucks.That's what we call an opportunity!

[@deucelittle]

what video is the thomas sowell part from?

[@JakeSweeper]

Talent, like inherited monetary wealth, are great if you have them. But it's a far greater gift to teach your kids the value of learning skills needed to survive/succeed and cultivate the drive necessary to not only go get those skills, but to apply them in practice. Doesn't matter if they want to have a blue-collar job or be a concert musician, the process is still the same; need to learn the skills to do the job and the drive to hone those to mastery, (not to mention the fact they need to continually practice and learn).

[@Frankcapasso]

Two of the best Minds ever

[@JamesOrwell]

Thomas Sowell is an intellectual jewel.

[@yavor05]

I have to disagree with Prof. Friedman on talent being morally the same as wealth. Talent can give you many rewards and advantages in a society that acknowledges it (a society that values merit). Yet wealth in the form of bonds, real estate, money, etc. (wealth as we usually think of it) can provide many more advantages than talent. Wealth is the kind of thing that can and usually buys political power, social distinction, quality education, better healthcare and a range of other social goods. Hardly anyone would give someone a high position in a political party because of his talent as a footballer or a musician. With material wealth things are very different. As to the ideal solution for the problem of equality of opportunities, I agree with Prof. Friedman that it is rather a complex problem we are facing, that will not be solved with simplistic solutions such as simply redistributing wealth. For a good study of this issue, check Michael Walzer's "Spheres of Justice".

[@WessGrumble]

Buying political power is only lucrative when the government has enough power to change things to your advantage. That's why real capitalists want the government to be as small as possible, with limited authority. Don't confuse this with anarchy though. There has to be a framework in which to operate.

[@BUFU1610]

@@WessGrumble Another very big difference is that skill does not automatically develop from talent, money does automatically create more money in an interest-based financial system.

[@Goodatconnect4]

@Mike10four That makes sense. Prepare yourself: Unlimited characters means not only unlimited response, but unlimited questioning! One philosophy, of the Founder's philosophy, will have to have sway: yours, mine, or even a new one which we establish through our impending discussion! Just as you expect nothing short of my questioning your philosophy, I expect nothing short of the same with respect to mine. :D

[@avaition321]

Inheritance of talent is no different from other forms of inheritance of money, bonds, stocks, etc

[@yvesgomes]

And here I was thinking I was smart for figuring out the flipped point of view of whether parents should be prevented from spending money on their children's future, instead of spending it on shallower things. I was just about 40 years late. -_-

[@jimberkt]

@royharmon4 he says "there is no difference between musical talent and other forms of property" if you make the assumption that musical talent is somehow a form of property it is an unlimited intangible property. So there is a difference in the sense that you could easily share out that "property" many people eg teaching a class of 10 doesnt require more or less musical talent than a class of 20, but you cant share out wealth in the same way.

[@philosopher1a]

If you liked this you have to watch the whole debate. the link is in the description . Milton Friedman asks Fox pivan atleast 9 times what system of government/market is better than the free market.. she equivocates she NEVER answers.. I think it's worth watching the whole thing less than a hour...

[@ad80ad]

Regarding inheritance of money, yes I can agree that it could be always "fair", even if the parents of the "heir" are corrupted or criminals. As a matter of fact an "heir" not always knows from where his or her wealth come but nonetheless this is a delicate matter. If someone have more wealth than another, the responsibility is ALWAYS by humans, and this can be more or less honest. If someone has more talent than another is ALWAYS nature or God: it not depends from us. That's REALLY different.

[@jmcclellan54321]

Thomas Sowell is brilliant!!!

[@uberchrist33]

@DontRunBand: Whom, in their right mind; does not love Thomas Sowell? I just wish he were younger. I'm going to truly miss this man, when he is gone. I just wish his son would join the "family business" of educating the public regarding economics, and logical thinking.

[@deziistheone]

@quinnrasta I'm glad you made that point. While I think there can, at times, arguments made for government intervention, and the capitalist system can afford some criticism, there has yet to be an economic system to allow more freedom and ingenuity than capitalism. Every argument about inequality should begin with that caveat.

[@Goodatconnect4]

@kommon12Cents That is material equality. What we (had) in the United States was equality in liberty. "All men are CREATED equal" All are born legally equal; the burden of using his capabilities and facilities to the legal maximum, is left with the individual to exercise or not. If someone chooses to not exercise his abilities, then that is his choice: as it should be. Not to disagree with your original point!

[@shieldsff]

yeah, I hear you,but I think you are missing the point. Friedman is attempting to equate the inheriting of material wealth (class)w/ the 'inheriting' of talent. Both types of talents require care & nurturing, but those who are impoverished (for various reasons) clearly face higher obstacles and odds to the socially productive cultivation of talents. This is more of a sociological issue then an economic one Economically, there are many "mixed" western economies which more equal & very successful

[@ChannelOne-1]

Once again…one cannot argue with Dr Sowell. You will get owned.

[@Tyrant_13]

@jasontkennedy I agree that society improves as poverty is reduced. The question always was what was the best way to reduce it. Putting the gov't in charge of comprehending the price system is the worst possible solution at increasing output. If you spent more time reading the works of Austrian economists like Henry Hazlitt or Milton Friedman, you'd see the infinite wisdom in the free market's spontaneous arrangement of costs of production, prices, and profits to allocate scarce

[@DoubleGauss]

Sowell and Friedman.. what an intellectual feast. Wish Buckley were in it too.

[@WHATISUTUBE]

As simple as the concept is, I never thought about it that way. People only count wealth in dollars and bills, and that shows poverty of the mind. Ironically. It's a shame most people see economics as simply dollar bills. Dollars are important. But if it were that simple, you can simply print out money. What it's all about is productivity.

[@Linguiphile]

Nothing gives me more hope for the future of our republic and economic stability than to see minority citizens knowledgeable of economics and the lessons of history arguing against leftist panderers and control freaks. Thomas Sowell and Alan Keyes are two shining examples, but having native American ancestry myself, I'd really like to know of any Amerinds of this socioeconomic caliber. Any ideas?

[@oldschool1993]

That is one angry lesbian and she actually started to disprove her own theory before correcting herself.

[@rayyf69]

@13otany13ay Perhaps a better way to phrase the question would be how do you extract the preferences of society. How do you determine what the society desires?

[@MultiSmartass1]

Sowell got upset when Piven talked about the Civil Rights movement which was not only a movement for equality of oppotunity but also about human dignity through the law.

[@jimberkt]

@Mbsmoothie well there are some fundamental issues with the concept of ownership of property such as land, but apart from that my point was that the musician can effectively pass his skill on to as many people as he wants without diminishing the resource whereas the rich man can only divide up his resource in a limited way eg if he only has $1000 he cant give each of his five sons $1000. Wasnt really talking about the ethics of being born into wealth.

[@religionisatragedy8537]

Never thought I would see Thomas Soul curse and anger, that was cool to see

[@derfoss]

"the inheritance of talent, is no different, from an ethical point of view..." Except talent (in the sense Friedman is using it) cannot be redistributed, while wealth can. If the question is whether money should be distributed, this seems like a non sequitur.

[@Goodatconnect4]

@Mike10four Credit me with some intelligence- Locke did not write our Declaration, but it is inaccurate to say that he had no influence; It's clear, from what I have provided, that there are parts which are almost word for word out of his writing! How do you associate survival with happiness? Would a man who is to commit suicide, associate survival with happiness? Could I not then associate depression with happiness, in that instance? Could the Founders have subscribed to both the LON and NL?