Friedman: Netanyahu is no longer at the wheel | GZERO World with Ian Bremmer

Netanyahu is a “hostage to a far-right in his coalition,” says author Thomas Friedman, and any semblance of “progress towards a Palestinian state” threatens his grip on power.
that has told him that anything that smacks of a Palestinian state or even progress toward a Palestinian state...is a no-go. We'll throw you out of power.'"
much of the horror that's played out in Gaza over the past six months goes back to a devil's bargain that Bibi has maintained with Hamas over the past fifteen years.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu has said that the only way the war in Gaza will end is with the complete destruction of Hamas, the pro-Palestinian terrorist group that controls Gaza and was behind the October 7th attack.
But Pulitzer prize-winning author and New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman argues that much of the horror that's played out in Gaza over the past six months goes back to a devil's bargain that Bibi has maintained with Hamas over the past fifteen years. "Netanyahu always understood that ... having a strong Hamas in Gaza is the best way to ensure a weak Palestinian Authority in the West Bank." In a wide-ranging interview for this week's episode of GZERO World, Ian Bremmer sits down with Friedman to try to chart out an imaginable (and palatable) ending to the Middle East's bloodiest war in years. "[Netanyahu] is now hostage to a far-right in his coalition that has told him that anything that smacks of a Palestinian state or even progress toward a Palestinian state...is a no-go. We'll throw you out of power.'"
So what can people do who consider themselves both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian? "The most important thing you can do to be pro-Israeli, " Friedman tells Bremmer, "...is to be for the removal of Bibi Netanyahu by the Israeli people." And the most pro-Palestinian thing you can do? "Be against Hamas and for the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah....Because if that project succeeds or makes progress, many more things are possible in terms of what can happen between the Israelis and Palestinians."
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[@GreekRican]

Removal of Illegal Settlements

[@dfsdh432v9]

how?

[@DMC1982]

​@@dfsdh432v9 Two State solution; Palestine for the Palestinians and Poland for the european Zionists.

[@cluelesssss]

Were there "illegal settlements" in Gaza on Oct 7 or anywhere in Palestine when the Palestinians were begging Hitler for the genocide of all Jews in the Middle East? "Illegal settlements" is the perfect Palestinian argument for useful western idiots who feel the urge to express their "expert" opinion on something they're absolutely clueless about.

[@VonKirda]

Ousting Nethanyahu will change nothing. Any predecessor or successor had/have the same agenda, differing only in appearance.

[@mongoharry]

Oust him anyway.

[@VonKirda]

@@mongoharry Unfortunately that would be counterproductive. Anything or anyone else will lead to calls for patience, have confidence, wait and see and the slaughter will go on, the settlers will push even further. Today Nethanyahu is the villain and exposed. Stopping Israel demands the same sanctions as those against Russia: no arms sales, exclusion from the USD payment system, close the European and USA borders to Israeli imports, international travel ban and confiscation of assets outside of Israel. Is there any reason this can be done to Russia, North Korea or any rogue state but not to Israel ? If there is such reason, spell it out and find the heart of the matter.

[@harmoni4499]

He needs to go for good...tell him to take Biden with him while at it.

[@VonKirda]

@@harmoni4499 unfortunately Trump will be a far more violent supporter of Nethanyahu. It is a dark choice

[@glp329]

Tom a good talker no solutions

[@kiswindsidaguigma9261]

The sad thing is that these people studied in the the so called ivy league universities.

[@MrBeard-ig5zc]

One state without your religion being printed on your id

[@stefanhall3219]

It is refreshing to hear some good sense and an actual plan for a change.

[@JeanMarcGandonou]

I feel so SAD. These are two men I deeply respected and listen to. They know better. They are here claiming to ignore that there is an unarmed civilian political wing of hamas that the IDF is executing without due process. It is so evident to anyone paying attention that Israel is methodically executing the medical personnel, starving the population and making sure that those not yet killed, die of their wound and disease, and there, they are sitting talking about Israel defending itself. Even them lost their moral compass and repeating Israel talking points without even realizing it.

[@jameslogan7571]

Can they truly separate from their faith to recover their Humanitarianism. Can Blinken, hasn't happened yet. Faith runs deep it runs over humanity. This we are witnessing. I also love it when I see , and it happens often two or three Jewish people sitting and discussing the future of Palestinians without a Palestinian in the room.

[@joyfullone3968]

@@jameslogan7571 you are 100% right!

[@robertshannon4547]

Exactly

[@user-vs9cq2zo2t]

Using pseudo respectable people in order to vindicate Israel.

[@user-og6qo6dh7i]

This guy never talks about Israel's brutal occupation.

[@bobbobby7536]

He wants the resistance to stop defending themselves and put the puppet P.A in power. Clown show.

[@user-ii5ke9pc1q]

I think people of your mentality are happy with the war. You do not believe the existence of the other

[@marcpelta4055]

He does. A lot

[@vondas1480]

It's in your head little bro

[@I_Lemaire]

The US is making huge and repeated errors by refusing to comminicate directly with Ben Gvir.

[@Hesham_MK]

What about the settlements in the West Bank because I see it the biggest sticking point?

[@mistman5640]

How can you say he is not driving if his finger is on the trigger?

[@Petrvsco]

Listen to it again. He is talking about influence from the far right

[@Davidka_I]

What is best for Israelis? What is best for Palestinians? what is best for peace? Very insightful guideline. Friedman has never been someone who is going to win wars on Twitter but he has experiences and perspective that should not be ignored.

[@Petrvsco]

Maybe that’s the wisdom? Not focusing on winning twitter wars…

[@edissa9076]

Can somebody tell me where the full interview of this is

[@elitezafficobra2288]

I don’t know what this man thinks he is trying to achieve or what his end game is. But he is doing his very best attempting to open up all portals to WW3. If that happens he is going to run inside his bunker and let everyone else above the earths surface die. While he pokes his eye out from the trap door every once in a while to see if the “ messiah” has arrived or not.

[@alifleih]

To be fair, he’s trying to end, not prolong, the conflict.

[@adamesd3699]

1:48 It would be really interesting if you could put that to a global poll. What do you think the results would be?

[@tommcfadden5232]

What does the end of this war look like for Israel? For the Palestinians? What does peace look like and how will it be sustained? In short, what is the objective?

[@marcpelta4055]

How “many civilian casualties” do we have minus the Hamas fighters killed?

[@sadharmadeantaresb7314]

#freepalestina Viva a resistência!!!!

[@samyelkholy3871]

If Israel is free to select their leader so is Gaza.

[@CookieMendoza]

and to face the consequences

[@mohsenabhari3448]

Great Guest,and informative,and knowledgeable about the conflict.

[@Meh-qe4rw]

When Israel keeps pushing and goading Iran to retaliate

[@PatriciaHerreraA]

Quisiera subtítulos en español para entender mejor. Me encanta es tan conocedor de los problemas Israel/Palestina . 👏👏

[@SPS_SM]

Platestinian state is not a Pro Palestinian thing not listed by Friedman. 👏👏👏👏

[@user-vs9cq2zo2t]

Israel a democracy? Since when?!

[@jmhorange]

Feels like Friedman is from December 2023. Netanyahu is the problem? Try the Israeli government. Still too much focus on Hamas. "They built tunnels that they could have used to protect civilians, they didn't prepare the population or give them warning about the terrorist attack. Hamas Hamas Hamas, it's all their fault." The Israeli government knew all this when they decided to cynically help keep a terrorist group in power to prevent a 2 state solution. And look how that blew up in their face. Moreover, unlike Israel, we have never had any relationship with Hamas, because they are a terrorist group, the question is what is Israel going to do to end this war? Both Hamas and the entire Israeli government need to go. Israel a so called democracy, can't even bother to stop the illegal settlements in the West Bank to not anger Palestinians during the war. You know, try to win hearts and minds. The Palestinian and Israeli people deserve better. And the US needs to start thinking about sanctions, and internationally, possibly a peace keeping force over Israel, Gaza and the West Bank to allow for a 1 state solution with Jewish and Palestinians as equal citizens.

[@vondas1480]

you're delusional. The fantasy of a "palestine" is what needs to go. If you're a sane Arab like myself you can easily become Israeli or emigrate to the West, if you're a practicing muslim you can live in the sea, if you're a lazy muslim, go walk to one of the shariah holes that love you

[@Hesham_MK]

What about the settlements in the West Bank as I see it as one of the biggest sticking points?

[@thewolfofswingthat2035]

wasnt this the guy who infamously describe arabs as animals in one of his recent piece?

[@Nonbd]

He was he described Middle East as a jungle. You can feel his bias even here not a word of acknowledgement of the occupation and barbarism Palestinians have endured for 75 years.

[@tuckerbugeater]

yes because his goal is to trigger you against israel. LOL tool

[@vondas1480]

Nope, just muslims, and we sane Arab's agree (:

[@JohnDoe-fs1fc]

Literally everybody else, except for the Palestinians. And most of the Arab world. And judging by the protests in the US, most of the young people. So really, a few leaders from a few Western countries.

[@nojanemad]

Freedman is a Hams supporter

[@marcpelta4055]

Friedman ignores the simple fact that the PA refuses to take over in Gaza. But he does explain this conflict in easy to understandable terms. That’s how he sells himself and his books. He has an agenda and so it’s important to remain cynical about his motives and expressed views

[@jinusrafezadeh2494]

This whole interview is very confused .

[@user-vs9cq2zo2t]

Consider this: The American taxpayer pays for, not only the weapons and munitions delivered to Israel, but also the illegal settlements in the West Bank. And these are a prime instrument in the land grab, the dispossesion of Palestinian lands and of ethnic cleansing. No sooner did the US Congress approve 14 billion for Israel, did Netanyahu announce the construction of another massive amount of houses for settlers in the West Bank. Was it 30.000? And America pretends to be pursuing a two-state solution. Most of the settlements were built with American money.

[@StasCherkassky]

Fridman's suggestions of "what's best" for Palestinians (against Hamas) and Israelis (against Netanyahu) are very paternalistic because he thinks he knows better than big majority of people on either side. While many Israelis are against Netanyahu on some topics, on the specific issues of the Gaza war and opposition to the Palestinian state, vast majority of Israelis are more, not less hawkish than Netanyahu. Similar with Hamas - many don't like the result, but still large majority of Palestinians not just support Hamas, but also specifically support what Hamas did on October 7th. Many on the West overlook the fact that apart from Hamas militants, hundreds (or thousands!) of "civilians" took active part in the attack and atrocities, while other tens of thousands celebrated in the streets of Gaza, gave away sweets and some (who was close enough) took part in mutilation of hostages, alive and dead.

[@udal17]

Давайте создадим в подарок за 7.10 им государство.

[@Hiptoys]

Palestinian authority? Do you mean Palestinian state, right?

[@medleyjones1675]

Marwan Barghouti! He's the only one who can unify the Palestinians and work with the Israelis, Free Baghouti!!

[@sarahfern7128]

The most pro-Palestinian thing you can do is respect their ability to govern themselves even if their government includes Hamas the way Ireland's govt includes Sin Fein. The way to get Hamas to stop fighting is to have permanent ceasefire. Why should Israel have a plan for the future of a different people? Please stop the colonization mentality.

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[@daviday87]

Please bring Haviv Rettig Gur on the show. He will unpack Friedman’s delusions with facts, reason and empathy.

[@justinian]

Great interview. Would love to see the full thing. What do they mean check local listings? Is TV guide still a thing? Lol

[@bradsillasen1972]

Housekeeping item: The audio quality made it difficult to listen to for me. It's subtle but compared to most, it's almost like muffled very slightly. Otherwise, great content. Friedman's analysis makes perfect sense.

[@timdrayton4956]

A two-state solution "happens to be the aspiration of literally everybody else on the global stage". Well, George Galloway the recently elected MP for Rochdale supports a single, secular state with equal rights for all between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, a solution that also makes the most sense to me. I would question the use of "literally".

[@ibrahimbashir3511]

The genocide in Palestine is about ethnic cleansing, its a European Jewish settler colony that believes in racial supremacy, the humiliation of Islam as coherent community. As a Muslim I believe the western backed monarchies and dictatorship must fall and that will only be possible if the war escalates, the US and its allies will be drawn in to protect Israel on the other hand Russia, China and the global south will assist the Muslims and use the opportunity to weaken economically and socially the west.

[@avtar1699]

That is never going to happend. Both populations hate each other, and bluntly, it would be aprtheid with the palestinians being the one being isolated. Two state solution is the most viable option, but both administrations have been taken over by religous radicals. Both need to be stopped.

[@user-sz1lz1zq8y]

If I'm not mistaken, the Israelis would not allow, "a single, secular state with equal rights for all..." because, over time, that would lead to a Palestinian majority.

[@Nonbd]

@@user-sz1lz1zq8yso what ?? If someone said we don’t want a black or Hispanic majority America many including Ian would call them racists. Israelis killed the two state with illegal settlements the peaceful alternative is a singular one state now

[@jmhorange]

@@user-sz1lz1zq8y No it wouldn't because in that scenario, Palestinians and Jews would be Israelis. So the Israeli population would either grow or shrink.

[@geraldgillman1642]

very speculated bunch of theories have to start calling them the friedman theories sorry don't need this nonsense being dumped into my inbox my suggestion get people on your program that have a clue about what their talking about

[@MuiltiLightRider]

This war is a disaster. What should've happened and still can be done is that Israel's allies should've and should pressure Israel with major sanctions/cutting off aid to 1) Allow more aid in 2) Do more to protect civilians, journalists and aid workers. There would not be such intense backlash to this if the Israelis didnt overreact in the way they're currently doing with absolutely no plan for peace. Restraining Israel is the best thing for Israel but no one is willing to make the hard decision to force that restraint. Instead we've seen tens of thousands of dead civilians, completely leveled infrastructure, mass starvation, multiple massacres, mass graves, dead aid workers, numerous war crimes, etc

[@RyanSemmel77]

The US ultimately dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan in response to an attack that killed a little over 2,000. Expecting responses to atrocities to be equal is just wishful thinking. There is a 0% chance Hamas didn’t know that this would be the response when they went through with Oct 7th.

[@MuiltiLightRider]

@@RyanSemmel77 It's not the fault of innocent civilians to hear the responsibility for a terrorist attack. There's no excuse for not letting aid into Gaza

[@RyanSemmel77]

@@MuiltiLightRider I’m not advocating for not allowing aid and I’m also not agreeing with Israel’s response (though I do agree they had to and should respond). I’m just saying there is never a proportional response when something like this happens and civilians inevitably suffer the most. The people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima didn’t deserve to be incinerated because their country was an imperialistic monster. It’s a terrible reality. Also, Hamas had no plan or desire to protect civilians (not that they ever have) after their attack. There is a 0% chance they didn’t know exactly what the Israeli response would be and they did/do nothing to aid their people. Moreover, every civilian death is a win for them in the PR war and creates more vitriol and hatred towards Israel. It’s a fucking horrific situation for the people on the ground caught in the middle.

[@jmhorange]

@@RyanSemmel77 What happened in Japan was horrific, it also happened in the 20th century, before many of the international laws we obey today came into existence. Also is that the criteria we use for wars, oh what we did isn't as bad as another country? I thought the standard was to obey international law? Look at the war in Ukraine. Israel has killed more civilians in 6 months, than Russia has in 3 years. So by your logic, Russia is pretty respectful to Ukrainians, compared to Israel? A country gets judged by its own actions, not if it's better or worse than other countries. Hamas knew what the Israeli response was? Well Israel supported Hamas for years as part of its plan to prevent a united Palestinian leadership and a 2 state solution. Surely Israel knew when it helped keep Hamas in power that a terrorist group that has had in its charter the destruction of Israel, would carry out a terrorist attack at some point? Did they not see how Pakistan supporting the Taliban lead to terrorist attacks in their country? And surely they knew if their response to a terrorist attack to a was to launch a full scale war and indiscriminately kill civilians, that would turn world opinion against Israel? Israel is not only destroying Gaza, they are destroying Israel. Their economy is hurting, they just got downgraded by Moody's. They are politically unstable, with large protests. Their biggest ally, the US, has the leader of the Senate calling for their president to be removed from office, they've frayed diplomatic ties with a whole host of countries, that will take decades to rebuild if ever. The more we treat Israel with kid gloves and say, "It's all Hamas's fault.", the bigger Israel digs a whole for themselves. They need to take responsibility for their actions. And the US needs to stop being an enabler, be a true friend who tells you what you need to hear, not a fake friend who tells you what you want to hear, to keep the peace.

[@stanleyfleishman6774]

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[@rshaeri]

Friedman’s purpose here is to criticize Netanyahu, while giving pass continue carnage in Gaza.

[@user-sz1lz1zq8y]

My take is that Feiedman's purpose is to present as honest statement of reality, as he sees it, as he can. I also believe that Bremmer agrees with him. And they're both pretty honest guys. Maybe their viewpoints are worthy of some weight.

[@bradsillasen1972]

@@user-sz1lz1zq8yVery respectfully stated. We need more of that overall YT.

[@jmhorange]

@@user-sz1lz1zq8y His viewpoint is behind the world. It's not just Netanyahu that's the problem, it's the entire Israeli government. If you removed Netanyahu, it wouldn't stop the war or move Israel toward working toward a 2 state solution. Because the Israeli government has sold its people the lie that they need to get rid of the Palestinian people to achieve safety for Israel. That's why Israeli citizens didn't care that Netanyahu was propping up a TERRORIST group for 2 decades, because it fit the lie that this would get rid of the Palestinian people, and then it backfired on Oct 7th. And in response, Netanyahu gave them a war, because it fits the lie that for Israel to be safe, they must get rid of the Palestinian people. If you got rid of Netanyahu, the war would continue, because the Israeli government has convinced the Israeli people that the war can not stop. Israelis may hate Netanyahu, but they very much this war. I don't question Friedman's honesty, nor Bremmer's. Nor even Biden's. But they are too slow to realize what the rest of the world has already realized: Hamas and Israel are two sides of the same coin. Hamas should not rule over the Palestinian people, the Palestinians need new leadership, and the Israeli government should not rule over the Israeli people, Israelis need new leadership. The US government wants an easy solution, just remove Netanyahu but if the US does nothing to bring this war to an end, this could be the US's Suez moment, it's a moment that happens with all great powers, the point in the history books were you can say, that empire is coming to an end and no longer controls the narrative. The US needs to realize what the rest of the world did months ago and act!

[@rubinklein3403]

With all due respect to Friedman, he is talking tosh. when it comes to the genocide in Gaza and the brutal occupation, most Israelis are no different than Netanyahu. There is no "moderate" option. Israel and 90% of its Jewish citizen have chosen blood thirst and fascism. To try to pretend otherwise, does not stand to any scrutiny.

[@matthewlevine7892]

do you have a definition for the word "genocide"?

[@tommcfadden5232]

Hmm. That is also the view many have of the Palestinians. Didn’t they elect Hamas in Gaza? Don’t Palestinians call for the end of Israel?

[@RyanSemmel77]

I’m detecting a bit of anti-Semitic dog whistling here 🤔

[@jmhorange]

@@RyanSemmel77 Not really, it's clear Israeli citizens are radicalized just like Palestinians under Hamas. The difference is, in no small part due to Israel propping up Hamas, there's no possibility that a genocide can occur against Israelis because no matter how much Palestinians hate Israelis, they don't have a country to carry it out, but because Israel is a country, a genocide can occur against the Palestinians. I don't blame the Israeli people though. I blame the Israeli government for radicalizing them. In any other situation a government that propped up a terrorist group and then had a terrorist attack would collapse. But because the Israeli government has convinced its people over years that Palestinians aren't people, that they must be destroyed at all cost, the government still stands because Israelis really want this war. The Israeli government needs to go, they had more than enough chances to lead their people toward peace, instead they chose to feed their people hatred and now look at the mess they are in. The Israeli government is a threat to Palestinians and Israelis. You can blame Hamas, but who helped keep Hamas in power for 2 decades? The Israeli government, all roads lead back to them.

[@StasCherkassky]

You may want to re-check the definitions of words "genocide" and "fascism".

[@timdrayton4956]

"One's a democracy and one's ..." Just a minute. Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian legislative election.

[@GentlemanJack705]

I can't remember the last time I saw a democracy use its own citizens for meat shields and willfully neglect the safety of its people in service to a military campaign.

[@mvonwalter6927]

I mean, 18 years ago when half the population wasn't born yet. Hamas only won a slight majority. It was the PA/Hamas war that put Hamas in power in Gaza.

[@RyanSemmel77]

That was a super free and fair election they had in that democracy 18 years ago for sure 👍

[@ignmorales]

Also laughing at it. Israel is a flawed democracy according to the Economist ranking and not very well described for V-Dem ranking as well.

[@jmhorange]

What kind of democracy would funnel money and leave a terrorist group in Gaza (with the destruction of Israel in its charter since its beginning) in power, for 16 years since 2007? Answer: Not a democracy. Just Israel.

[@ahsanmohammed1]

Two illegal colonial occupation intellectuals propagandists discussing how to legitimize the illegal occupation and pull wool over the world's eyes.

[@mongoharry]

Americans support Israel on humanitarian grounds. OF COURSE we're sickened by Israel's actions today. STOP SUPPORTING ISRAEL NOW. It's time for the reconsider our friendships in the world, and the criteria should be moral appropriateness.

[@richarddean3154]

If Roosevelt and Churchill followed your suggestion, they would not have supported Stalin (USSR) in WWII. Then, the Germans would have won the struggle in Russia and likely won the war. Sometimes, you have to side with a tyrant in order to achieve victory over something worse. Be careful what you wish for.

[@harveyschwartz6789]

Poland, Germany and other countries took in millions of Ukrainians and at least they have a country to go back to - breadbasket to the world and an industrial base. Many Gazans wanted out before this conflict viewing it as a jail. I'm struck that no country has offered safe haven for any Gazans. It's as if the world is holding a dagger to Israel's throat.

[@user-ij7jd3he2g]

A dagger to is*** throat? Because Not helping is*** with emptying Palestine for easier annexation? Shameful

[@akeleven]

Nobody wants Gaza refugees because they know Israel will never allow them to return. Ukrainians actually have hope of returning.

[@ignmorales]

🍉🍉🇵🇸🍉

[@WeaponGrade]

How can you talk about Gaza and never mention #genocide?

[@sergeedelstein3463]

If we wanted to G-word them we would accomplish it in a weekend but yet they are still there - screaming that they're getting G-word and not begging for mercy on their knees as they should.

[@GGME7777]

Mr. Friedman used to be an experienced journalist but lately he just became a mouthpiece of the liberal left ... just bla bla bla A hint that he lost it ? He never mentioned the bigger player in the area

[@Owenalpe]

Agree, he’s totally lost the plot

[@hecimbecir8482]

This Friedman is biased.

[@LumenMichaelOne]

"We are Six Months into this war." ...???... Whaaaaaat??? ... 🤨 When did you conduct this interview, a year and half ago? Things change in 18 months Ian. Yes, even this conflict, which REQUIRES a lot of ... Escalation ... Ian. Is GZERO running out of funding Ian? Are you guys going bankrupt Ian? ... 😑

[@RyanSemmel77]

Im counting 6 since October if he did this late March….?

[@eurorail]

All right it’s not even funny anymore. What do you call him NAtten-yahoo! That a not his name. What’s your angle.

[@OldboyMoy]

This “journalist” has lost all credibility in my opinion.

[@mariasmirnov5820]

Friedman is not responsible for Israel. He is always against Israel. Netanyahu is the leader what Israel needs today. Only Netanyahu knows how to manage this war. Does Mr. Friedman feel sorry about innocent hostages? This is first what he supposed to be worry. Hamas supposed to be sooty about his Palestinians people but not Mr. Friedman.

[@akeleven]

Netanyahu has destroyed Israel's reputation as a moral country. It will never be respected again in our lifetime.

[@user-qy1hl7hf3k]

Netanyahu he is the best Pm ever ❤️ ✊️🇮🇱✊️🇮🇱💪🇮🇱👌🇮🇱✌️🇮🇱👌

[@GGME7777]

There will never be "The morning after" until you deal with Iran ... period ... end of the story