Friendly Fire in the Red Sea: The Shocking Downing of a U.S. Navy Jet

[@derpynerdy6294]

USS gettysburg is nervously sweating. A second f18 that was approaching the carrier to land was locked on but managed to evade from a missile 100 feet away according to the New York Post and The Maritime Executive.

[@terryritter7065]

That's the missile deactivation he mentions in the video. The crew of that Hornet witnessed the first plane being shot down.

[@M3PH11]

so the iff system was working, which means the missile track radar seaman could see it was an f-18 he just pressed the button on. Someone needs to get the gettysburg crew out of the water ASAP.

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

It's a bullshid narrative. It doesn't work that way. It won't even launch if it interrogates and gets a valid response from the IFF. And also it's not designed this way just for "safety" sake --- it's actually a safeguard to prevent mutinies and insurrection. So it's taken as seriously as nuclear protocols, and is never "just not working that day" >t. former Aviation Electronics Technician

[@DefaultProphet]

Isn’t there an automatic mode for when seconds matter to defend the ship?

[@terryritter7065]

You get sniffed on the flight fight before you launch to determine your IFF freq. is the code of the day. Unless both Hornets had malfunctions in flight, which the Hornet would have alerted them occurred as well as the E-2 on patrol, this makes no sense from the airframe/pilot standpoint.

[@vickiburacker4578]

WTF Gettysburg??!! DAMN 😬

[@zulkanainbaharuddin2185]

@@M3PH11 every netizen from the US says that it's navy have vast experience. Why does this happens?, not only once but twice.

[@ninjalanternshark1508]

There is no such thing as friendly fire when the fire is coming at you

[@Costesiniciales]

I truly love your channel. Keep doing the best work.

[@PilotPhotog]

Thank you! Working on the next video - stay tuned!

[@Mentaculus42]

Ward Carrol has a very in-depth video about this incident with additional details. It is great to hear a review from two naval aviators that have personal experience and contacts within the navy. Despite this being a total CF, it is also a very complex incident with a huge amount of “moving parts”!

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

He's not an authority on this matter whatsoever. A pilot isn't a fire control technician, an ordnanceman, an aviation electronics technician, or even an engineer. Plus he's a known bullshidder

[@trumanhw]

Usually during combat operations, combat aviation has a "corridor" from which it can approach that's implicitly for friendly assets. But, we've been hearing about these training cuts across aviation for the past 12 years since the Obama administration and sequestration. And there's always a lag between reducing training and the lives that it invariably costs in such an unforgiving environment. From a huge increase in military aviation fatalities from 2014 - 2020 ... to having to use a freaking GARMIN for GPS in the US Navy ... to FEMALE OFFICERS WHO WEREN'T SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER, to DEI and seeking _decepticons_ into the military. The notion that our military is now anything like the one that we had in the 1990s is a delusion. In no other profession are the penalties for employing untrained personnel so appalling or irrevocable as in the military. -- General Douglas MacArthur Even the bespoke designs we have of very high tech equipment is an illusion ... in that we not only have small inventories of them, but because there is NO level of inventory that's sufficient for an actual conflict. And instead of creating mfring facilities for each bespoke, high tech product we report across the YT media-scape and through all the military media ... we use just a handful of them like timeshares, in which they barely satiate some token inventory and training production rate that would have absolutely no influence on an actual peer-to-peer conflict, which we know from WWII become competitions in manufacturing as much as they are battle's of will.

[@phantomwolf5485]

Absolute Truth spoken here now if congress would only practice what you preach.

[@Mentaculus42]

As per Carrol “Maybe delicing didn’t work due to Zulu FoF code rollover”.

[@mcgch46e80]

@@Mentaculus42 there is no excuse.

[@southronjr1570]

The irony that the battle the cruiser is named after probably never would have happened if it hadn't been for another friendly fire incident that occurred in 1862 when Gen TJJ Jackson was shot by his own men while reconoitering the battle lines just after sunset.

[@trumanhw]

what does reconoitering mean? reconnaissance?

[@robertbollinger3702]

My favorite gripe written up by a pilot….”IFF inop in OFF position”..

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

It doesn't work that way

[@chrisferguson5661]

​@The_Conspiracy_Analyst are you saying the IFF doesn't work in the OFF position or that there is no OFF position?

[@chrisferguson5661]

​@@The_Conspiracy_Analysti ask because the IFF does indeed have an OFF position on the control head and pilots have written that exact write up in the logbook before. *UH-60 maintainer*

[@doge4818]

*Operation Friend or Foe* -pilots brain probably

[@Turf-yj9ei]

It's hard to believe that two separate planes both had the same IFF malfunction at the same time

[@milojkovicaleksandar]

Same thing happened in First Gulf War, US Navy claimed friendly fire, but after 20 years the pilot come out clean saying He was downed by mig.

[@bobnomura2068]

IFF has been around a long time. I'd like to see a report after the investigation, but I doubt it'll be released.

[@Turf-yj9ei]

I would be open to the possibility of an IFF malfunction on a single aircraft. But two separate aircraft both forgetting to turn it on or both having the same malfunction at the same time seems extremely unlikely to me.

[@Idahoguy10157]

Operations tempo, training issues, fatigue, automation overreliance, human error… All likely contributing factors

[@matthewsecord7641]

Ok. Is anyone asking in a combat zone, " How can this happen? " "How did this happen?" Yes, viable, and important question every single day.

[@vanroeling2930]

Someone in command on the USS Gettysburg will lose their command due to a “loss of confidence”

[@Chuck59ish]

Still the officer in charge of the missiles will wear it.

[@scottsmith7051]

Better communication: Hey Mac, we are taking off now, so ya know, don't shoot at us...

[@BoleDaPole]

Apparently it's not that simple otherwise such incidents wouldn't occur. I think people are underestimating just how hectic the combat has been against the houthis. An admiral described it as the most intense combat the navy has seen since ww2.

[@CJJerr]

打个阿富汗，打了10年，没打明白，还撤军了，现在还被胡赛抽屁股，美国也开始玩抽象了吗？

[@danielzuniga4327]

Apart from better communication, why not just use old-fashioned, visual identification? Of course, I can understand why at night this would be an issue. But during the day, it should be quite easy to identify the difference between a super hornet and a drone. I believe that this is one of the major problems of using just a screen to identify friends and foes. my eyes do not work as I am blind, but I can imagine that a drone looks very, very different from a friendly super hornet.

[@alphateam4380]

To be honest, this is kind of good we see the flaws of our system and thankfully no one lost their lives. It could be way worse where someone dies.

[@bills6946]

A career ending mistake.

[@dexlab7539]

Haha no, promotion for top brass most likely

[@b3jamin21]

Wild, my childhood buddy went to the Academy with the pilot who was downed, so glad theyre alright.

[@bobporch]

The Gettysburg had just completed an overhaul and upgrade and was only with the battle group a week. Because the Navy is decommissioning this class of warship, the overhaul was probably done on the cheap.

[@WritingFighter]

I don't think IFF redundancy was necessarily the breakdown. The Gettysburg is loaded with missiles using both radar and IR tracking. IR is going to be a lot more reliable against anti-ship missiles and large drones which would have small RCS, so they'd just lock on to a bright, hot signature in the sky in the general direction. I'm under the impression there was human error confusion from using radar and IR tracking which might switch up the IFF, as those are different between radar, radio, and IR signals.

[@LorisSawmill]

Somebody is going to get a Reprimand.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Be interesting to know if the 2nd superhornet was able to shake that missile or if the guidance was turned off.

[@gordonsmith5589]

My honest thought is this is the result of too much focus on DEI instead of the best people for the job in said positions. Thankfully that will be sorted out quickly in January.

[@daniel_gallardo808]

Until something tangible comes out confirming things your thought about DEI will remain just that, a thought. Blue on blue engagements while unfortunate are nothing new.

[@GrahamWalsh-r9u]

Is there no “human” in the loop? Is the launch fully automatic?

[@DefaultProphet]

A growler getting hit makes me think maybe something ewar related was still on/messing with the IFF loop .

[@terryritter7065]

Ward Carroll mentions they think it was two Hornets set up as tankers, not the EA-18. And all that stuff is turned off once the airplane is within about 10 miles of the boat.

[@DefaultProphet]

@ Welp I feel dumb. I didn’t know the F model was used for anything but training so didn’t think there’d be anything but growlers with two seats. But yes of course the Ewar stuff should be off but my speculation was that it wasn’t for whatever reason.

[@RetiredEE]

We need to get the csg out of the Red Sea

[@doge4818]

Man, the shock of getting a mws tone coming from your guys must have sucked. No way they could have evaded since they were so close to the fleet. Glad the dudes were ok, but they probably can't fly again.

[@abechoi5355]

Any court-material charges required?

[@mill2712]

Wait until the investigations conclude. If it's a complete accident then no. But if it preventable and if proper steps weren't taken, that's likely and people should be held accountable. Actually, this happened twice by the same ship. So hopefully.

[@conservative1news]

@DavidGreen-u5p , yes this was dei. The co of the Gettysburg is Capt Helen Schafer. Another Dei incident was The 1988 sh0ot down of flight 655 by the uss Vincennes . the co, Capt Rachel Lee

[@MemeGnome]

Nah man, it was the Houthis. America is doing the thing that Russia has done in the Ukraine war where whenever they have an embarrassing loss (losing an AWACs), they'll claim it was an accident.

[@douglascooper1987]

🤔

[@Cryosxify]

@@MemeGnome did they claim credit?

[@IndianLondoner]

Yes

[@navyseal1689]

They dont have anti air capabilities

[@UTubeGuyJK]

Did the navy make these announcements after the shoot down or were these general announcements made prior to it?

[@darkclownKellen]

Yeah they announced that they shot down one of their jets in preparation for shooting down one of their jets.

[@robertmoore3982]

@@UTubeGuyJK you know it’s controlled information. I wish they would be consistent about it and report it like it was Russia. C’mon now you don’t want the smart to see you only bs about our enemies ( well the federal government’s enemies)

[@milcearry]

A group of people just got their pay cut.

[@AngelofCruelty]

In other words the ai system decided a friendly aircraft was a threat. J/k. Glad both crews are alive.

[@tonysia6474]

Yes, it's a friendly mistake testing the missile if it can shoot down a warplane. Yeah, it can shot down a plane.

[@deannelson3165]

Basically, like other platforms that reported this. It's just speculation on what happened.

[@jonathonbrooks651]

Hey guys, Houthis are NOT FRIENDLY so this was not a friendly fire shoot down. 🤣🤣🤣

[@jemsnowdon]

So how did they think they were shooting at?,there are no airforce in the region

[@navyseal1689]

My guess, Houthi missile

[@jeffshriber6120]

Not sure if that's what the navy came up with. The investigation is still under way and we probably won't get about this for another year easily.

[@themoonhurtsdaddy]

America: Blue on blue world champions since forever 😂

[@treyborn2931]

despite what you are trying to imply, every country has blue on blue incidents no other nation operates with the same op tempo as the US if county x,y or z operated at the same level ...it would probably collapse their economy

[@themoonhurtsdaddy]

@treyborn2931 the rest of the world doesn't need to war to create income, but America does.

[@treyborn2931]

@@themoonhurtsdaddy America has kept the world out of global conflicts for nearly a century the longest period of global peace in modern history 200 years or more ... your welcome..America makes money from conflict yes but it's more of a by product of being the world's only super power whatever small country your from and I'm sure it's small and globally insignificant you just won't understand And that’s not your fault I get it. ..It’s like the sheep, wondering why lions eat so much.

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

Didn't learn much from Desert Storm. 😐

[@larrybarton2351]

There goes the Battle E

[@jackronin4371]

How can a "fire" that can cause death be friendly? Give us a break please.

[@joseluisruiz8526]

Sorry, mate, but, taking into account that - IFF aside - in a scenario like the one described, all the participating assets are integrated into the same datalink network, these incidents cannot be attributed to a lack of redundancy in communications. It is too early to give an opinion and, obviously, there is a lot of data missing (which will probably never be known) but, at a first glance, some catastrophic and undetected error must have occurred on board the USS Gettysburg for two missiles to be launched against two F-18s. Oh, by the way, firendly fire isn't.

[@LarryEngesath-r6c]

Is the USS Gettysburg going to paint a "Kill Marking" on the side of the ship's bridge? 🤔😦

[@1xm_mx1]

A typical SNAFU that turned into a FUBAR moment.

[@mirekslechta7161]

lies here.....lies here...

[@Anarchy_420]

Yo lol what happened you were goin to make a vid about how The F-117 is still in service despite being retired and its Chrome Coating, if its being used for testing, as a red asset in training, if it still has the potential for combat missions, and if so is it? Another 1 was- F-35 gun pods! What situations they're used for, how much they adversely affect the RCS, and are the pods themselves stealthy/low observable🙏👍

[@Anarchy_420]

Btw I kno you did make an F-117 vid, however it was nothing like what we talked about😅 you made a vid about the hypothetical Navy F-117.

[@Anarchy_420]

Please create a vid about The Sikorsky Cyhper Drone!🙏 how it was ahead of its time with its look over tech, the same concept used by The AH-64 flying behind trees/building's with its radar just clearing any obstruction. How it looks like the old War of the Worlds hover tank* and a traditional flying saucer crashed into each other and The Cypher was born

[@Anarchy_420]

Another good one that hasn't been done to death- Tacit Blue If your feeling like making a classified/conspiracy plane- F-19 Stealth Fighter

[@JSFGuy]

Here we go.

[@e.cabanjr7511]

I personally suspect that there are unqualified individuals responsible for such outcomes but the Navy will never admit to it. It’s the remnants of DEI practices by the military during the last four years that will need to be rooted out. Two friendly fire incidents closely clustered together where high-tech is involved is too high of a frequency to suddenly start blaming methods and training.

[@JBurt13]

I was 💯 thinking the same thing. Instead of hiring the best people for the job, they are hiring strictly based on skin color, ethnicity, or sex. The aviation industry is cursed with this same issue, hence the near misses and planes falling apart in the sky. Bet the US Navy doesn't admit to that blunder if it's true. DEI and woke practices are toxic, and morally unethical.

[@_--JohnVK--_]

BLABLABLA MAGAt

[@daniel_gallardo808]

What are you talking about? Blue on blue isn't new and has been happening even before the current administration and the oh so feared DEI stuff came in. So quick to suspect things instead of waiting for something substantial to come out.

[@mattdaugherty7865]

DEI

[@gordonsmith5589]

100%!

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

1:54 it doesn't work that way. It won't even launch if it interrogates and gets a valid response from the IFF. And also it's not designed this way just for "safety" sake --- it's actually a safeguard to prevent mutinies and insurrection. So it's taken as seriously as nuclear protocols, and is never "just not working that day" >t. former Aviation Electronics Technician

[@chrisferguson5661]

Not true at all lol. IFF system is extremely important but fails often in flight. Pilots are constantly asked to ident to make their aircraft location stand out on the radar scope. ADS-B and AIS systems all have an ident toggle on the IFF section of the transponder control head for this purpose.

[@bks252]

The first one got hit probably because they had their countermeasures equipment safed before landing. It should be before landing checklist stuff and the second aircraft was far enough from landing they had theirs still armed. Obviously I’m just guessing here from my military aviation experience. They should be able to figure it out relatively easy, I would think. Terrible waste of how many millions? Those missiles that were shot aren’t cheap either and thankfully the 2 aviators were unharmed.

[@zulkanainbaharuddin2185]

Everytime we hear the same thing that the US army is very experience when comparing to China or Russia on sea battles etc. This should not happen.

[@euphegeniadoubtfire1364]

Two possibilities. Gross incompetence or the Houthis did the unexpected and shot down a US F18. Either way its embarassing for the forces of evil.

[@lilbondatrack6969]

Well look on the bright side, for the government officials trying to retire the cruisers this incident shows that they are well capable of protecting carriers from air threats even if the threat is its own aircrafts. On the negative side this shows that the f18s lack abilities in avoiding being shot down by surface to air missiles hence the need for more f35c's on our carriers. And yes i know they're a bunch of contributing factors but facts are facts in the simplest sense

[@mastermariner490]

What happened to friend or foe on fighters,IFF?

[@mirekslechta7161]

Houthies did it...

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

@@mirekslechta7161 This. It won't launch if it interrogates and gets a valid response from the IFF. And also it's not designed this way just for "safety" sake --- it's actually a safeguard to prevent mutinies and insurrection. So it's taken as seriously as nuclear protocols, and is never "just not working that day" >t. former Aviation Electronics Technician

[@Hiim0094]

Someone found out what the red button does.

[@bakayanasaid5087]

The houths shot it down.

[@joshuastelter8074]

God damn!

[@TheJoeSwanon]

My bad

[@MichaelkirkMclean]

Bullshit .

[@michaelatkin9649]

Another USS Liberty??

[@keriallen1417]

Ay meng

[@robertopiedimonte2078]

How they manage similar situation fifty years ago during Vietnam War without modern technology? Where they smarter? Trained better? Or nowadays guys can't stay focused longer then few minute!?! Others count on you it's no longer enough of a push? In war zone??? It's so easy to end saying: "ops I did it again" like Navy ship collision with merchant ships? I don't understand and I don't want!!! These are my personal feeling about...

[@ervindavid9337]

Pilato,s wash thier hands with here own sin.

[@avb4805]

You americans are so professionnals and impressive 🤭😄

[@treyborn2931]

@@avb4805 lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep...the US has been operating carrier's for 100 years..let that sink in..the US current carrier fleet size is nearly 10 times the size of its closest competitor and it's current global op tempo is unfathomable by friend or foe so taking criticism from someone who's country probably doesn’t even operat carriers is laughable

[@avb4805]

@treyborn2931 wow impressive, lions maybe not, cats certainly... 😁

[@treyborn2931]

@@avb4805 ...what?...thanks for reminding me that ignorance is bliss....

[@thatoneguy454c]

That was definitely intentional.

[@garystrittmater8258]

Some people needto. Losee sommee stars And bars innn. This. Friendly ffiiire incident needs some. Rreal. Investigation! Sorry for my spelling, my Samsung tablet reeally sucks!

[@bobbyraejohnson]

The military is a joke these days

[@emadabuelrub1125]

The pilots must he close the Identification device

[@DavidGreen-u5p]

One question...is this ship that shot the missile have a woman as captain of the ship????...if so that may be the problem...a DEI promotion to give women high authority in ships...start with that first in the investigation

[@Bert1c231]

Join the Air Force

[@MajSolo]

sm2 works

[@jim7060]

Just slow down... And think before you act.!

[@ronnieramos1415]

So meaning to say that US Navy is still not good enough to determine who is friend and who is enemy on the air after a very very long years of sailing and detecting what's flying up there. And before they realized it downing one of their own and destroying assets of military. They almost killed pilots. Just now they realized it was a big mistake. It should have been learned a long time ago. They lack the capabilities to be an expert on these matters and just relying on a trial and error basis. Wow, is this how you spend the taxpayers money? It might be good killing your enemies but not your own people defending your freedom. How many more times these incident will happen? I see some stupidity here on part of the US Navy leadership. They do not care anyway.

[@Erebus369]

Pretty dumb considering they have secure comms channels. And the Houthis don't have planes. Either the US Navy is completely incompetent or a missle from the Houthis that took the plane down. I would presume a hypersonic.

[@treadhead]

D.E.I. , WOKE RECRUITS ALONG. WITH THE O.I.C. --- OFFICER IN CHARGE ??????? POLITICZED GOALS. & RECRUITMENT STANDARDS. LOWERED . **** FORCE READINESS TAKING A. BACK SEAT .

[@GuibertTosloc-g3y]

china vs.philippines

[@MrBozo3d]

oh ye and you all believe that

[@imtiazdasoo9925]

👌✌️🙌👏

[@damongrant5741]

Optics if there is no plane threat in that whole vicinity cuz the Hootie Rebels don't have no planes are the sauces saying the Hootie shot him down Disney there's no threat then there's the other way around and

[@paulbrownett3673]

British Forces do not like fighting near Yanks they are too fond of Blue on Blue, What a dumb name for an op - Prosperity Guardian - which idiot thinks these things up.

[@AlabamaMothman]

I don't believe it.

[@chraffis]

What are the chances the Gettysburg was jammed or hacked by a drone/ship/sub etc?

[@Kitt_the_Katt]

Almost zero

[@douglascooper1987]

Likely Explanation.👍

[@Chuck8541]

Not likely. These things happen sometimes. We’ve had blue on blue accidents many times in the past. From the 1st gulf war, to this one. And many more in prior wars I’m unaware of personally. Thankfully, they’re rare. With everyone on alert - especially AFTER this -any sub in the area would’ve been sniffed out. Any jamming signal itself would’ve been heard. That’s the downside of jamming. When you jam, everyone knows you’re there, AND where you are; same with hacking. (Which is exactly why you’re not supposed to have civilian starlink terminals on US Navy ships. They’re not secure) And any surface ships would’ve also been picked up. If they had a brand new super secret toy that Iran or China gave them, it would’ve been a waste to expose it for this, instead of during an actual conflict. Lastly, the fact that the Navy owned up to their mistake VERY quickly, leans toward friendly fire. Instead of being confused, and saying, ‘we’re looking into this ongoing blah blah blah situation’. Lol

[@pigmoonk2545]

US EW systems are inferior compared to Israeli. This is a classic example.

[@Forevertrue]

Thanks for the dead horse vid. Find something else to report on.

[@mirekslechta7161]

Try to write here that Jemen shot F-18 down....

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

They did

[@mirekslechta7161]

@@The_Conspiracy_Analyst You tube is deleting anything like that..., only USA´s lies stay as comments...

[@metubyaj7675]

Why the jet didn't intercept the coming missile? NO matter whose missile is coming toward the jet.

[@xyz-hj6ul]

The aircraft were tankers, coming aboard after an airstrike. They are always the last to recover in case someone has a bad night on the ball or suffers damage and they turn from overhead to rescue refuelers. As such, they likely had the heaviest, four bubble, one HDU, loadout. Their EW systems were also shut down so as not to react to stray emissions on deck, irradiating the plane handlers. With all of these modifiers in effect (super heavy jets; Jammer off, no tow bird deployed; low, slow, dirty configured...) the F/A-18Fs were not going to beat the SM-2, no matter what. Having said this, your comment is a valid one, in a single sense: The AIM-9X. At least in theory, if you see the launch event happen in time, the weapons system is hot (it wouldn't be, behind the boat) and the geometry allows the helmet sight the angles to track the threat, the Blk.II AIM-9X can launch, go super-HOBS, and acquire the inbound threat while it's still in boost phase, attempting a nose-to-nose hittile kill. The 129X128 seeker has the FPA pixel count to do it, though whether the missile reactions are up to the task is iffy. The 9X is basically a useless appendage in modern, BVR centric, air warfare, but as a self-defense trick shot, maybe it could do it, with the JHMCS going through the datalink to tell the missile where to point and acquire the threat shot in a kind of 'self protect mode', hard kill, defeat.

[@alhassanbah]

No one is buying this one How will u go on a mission to attack and lose an aircraft and come back home and tell us is a friendly fire 😂😂 am starting to trust iran air defense 😂😂

[@ernest919]

Ha ha,

[@MaombiEbengela]

I'm the first one here

[@JSFGuy]

And, you sure about that?

[@maninthemiddleground2316]

Well that proves it … the only thing that can shoot down an F18 Super Hornet is an American made missile. US weaponry number 1 ☝️👍 nuffsaid 😊

[@saroarrony3621]

Don't allow us navy lie 🤥 like that its was babor air defence system that hit 🎯 f 18 jet and millse of huddi hit 🎯 top of air jet carrier almost 5 time they said other 5 jet of us navy already go to craft shop 😅

[@readyon3506]

Every time Hautis shoot down an American jet they call it friendly fire ? What about the damaged Aircraft carrier over the red sea ? Did us shoot it friendly as well ?😂