Frigg and Freyja

[@MisterBones223]

Your denial of being Indiana Jones makes me feel like you're really Indiana Jones

[@SolNaciente13]

YEA. HE IS NOT FOOLING ANYONE. 😌

[@NunyaBesnas]

That’s exactly what Indiana Jones would say… 🤔

[@RadicalCaveman]

It is written that he who denies he is Indiana Jones is the true Indiana Jones!

[@christopherstein2024]

@@RadicalCaveman He left his hat for us!!!

[@michaelharris7918]

He could be

[@stephenclark6236]

Snorri's description of Freyja traveling under many names as she searches for Óðr is weirdly reminiscent of far more ancient myths concerning the Egyptian goddess Isis (who adopts many names as she searches for Osiris, betrayed and sealed away in a sarcophagus by Set). As with Freyja, special attention is drawn to her tears. Instead of crying tears of gold (a reference to Baltic amber, most likely), Isis' tears result in the annual flooding of the Nile. In both cases, these tears stood in for something of huge cultural and economic import.

[@Eocwen]

And Isis transforms herself into a kite or some other bird of prey 😉

[@user-pm1gb2eo1s]

*Looks at Cowboy hat* *Looks at his interest in guns* *Looks at job description* “I’m not Indiana Jones” Mmmmhhhh?

[@joeampolo42]

I still think he has the better hat.

[@user-pm1gb2eo1s]

joe ampolo True, true

[@meraduddcethin2812]

Was thinking the very same thing.

[@nateknudson8500]

*winks in old norse*

[@dominomasked]

They’ve never been seen together. Coincidence?!

[@Dobj319]

What? You are not Indiana Jones? So, then, are you Colorado Jones ;-)

[@LarsPallesen]

Colorado Crawford has a certain ring to it :-)

[@dominomasked]

Step one would be to name your dog Colorado.

[@ancientsurvival]

@@LarsPallesen Alliteration: perfect for poetry)) Colorado Crawford carefully climbed, crows calling. Perseverance, pushing past the peaks patiently presenting wisdom as he walks, old words of warriors. Ok, that's all I've got 😂

[@natemarx4999]

Who else has this channel on notification? I want us to be friends forever!

[@eleojoakor9088]

😂😂 hi friend

[@SarahGreen523]

Thank you for posting these lectures! You have become my main source for Norse mythology with the added bonus of hearing the language spoken in it's context. So very helpful!

[@Svavarsk]

Could the split into two distinct godessess be explained by there having at some point been two or more tribes or people whos oral traditions evolve from the same roots, one of them to use the name Frigg and the other Freyja? And eventually through wars, alliances or by scholars those oral traditions were merged into the later belief that Frigg and Freyja are two godessess?

[@nantahalawildman6345]

Awaiting my copies of your books, "The Poetic Edda" and "The Sagas..." Looking forward to your "Prose Edda" translation. Thank you for these videos!

[@ArchYeomans]

I have both Audible books.

[@einarbolstad8150]

What, no Edda 3? I'll stop sleeping outside the bookstore then.

[@NevadaBerserker]

Sounds like Odin, was living two lives and took a lot of business trips lol

[@marvalice3455]

"two lives" One Eyed bus Driver: those are rooky numbers! I got at least 9! sounds like this handsome intelligent odin guy needs to up his game!

[@HladgerdKissinger]

​@@marvalice3455 One-eyed college student: Hey fellow teens, I've got no time for nine lives due to all these exams I gotta take, but this Odin feller must be really fun at parties! I heard he scores tons of chicks and recites some wicked poetry!

[@justfiddlinaround1128]

Maybe with his buddy, Zeus.

[@dewd9327]

@@justfiddlinaround1128 imagine Hera and Frejya teaming up to catch their husbands in the act

[@justfiddlinaround1128]

@@dewd9327 Sounds like you're on to something.

[@graffics7665]

Thinking of a unique name for our first daughter was painstaking- then I thought of Freya but didn't think the other half would go for it.. She DID! Freya Rose has a nice ring to it (she originally wanted to name her Rosalie)

[@SilverScale.]

At 22:47 -- yes. "Friday" in Romanian (a Romance language) is "Vineri," etymologically related to "Veneris dies," the day of the goddess Venus.

[@greymane2090]

it would make more sense to me that as husband and wife tend to mirror one another's interests to a degree hence the attraction that Freya was Odin's wife each taking their own half of the battle slain and then she hosts at Valhall as would be her right as the wife of the man whose Hall is owned.

[@Lightbeerer]

I grew up on the island of Frei in Norway - which I'm guessing could have originally been named after Freyr. Anyway, this is not far from another island called Frøya which is the modern Norwegian name for Freyja.

[@redere4777]

No, the island of Frei was called Freiðr in Old Norse and was spelled Fredø in Norwegian until a century ago. The -a in the name of the island Frøya is the definite article, so it's "the Frøy", in Old Norse it was also called Frøy.

[@ericph9]

Not really the main focus of the video, but an idea I had regarding Folkvangr: Freyja and Óðinn could be like team captains picking teams for the day's training/battles, like a game of basketball in middle-school, but probably more violent.

[@MrJakedog104]

My theory is that since Freyja gets first pick, she chooses the slain that are of upstanding character. The ones who were good, honorable people. From the myths, it doesn't seem like Odin is too picky about the morals of the slain that he gets. He cares first and foremost about your skill.

[@faramund9865]

"The picture that people often get is that you're Indiana Jones". Well the way you dress surely doesn't help with dismissing that idea xd.

[@nantahalawildman6345]

Ja, we need to get him a whip and he'll be set!

[@mnemonyss]

But does he staple that hat to his forehead?

[@leehitt4704]

Indiana Jones doesn't dress like a cowboy, just wears a fedora.

[@deemon1997]

Mr Crawford is increasingly becoming my favorite person😂

[@flomsonreginald]

Facts

[@reneedunaway2221]

We're choosing a name for our newly adopted dog. Freya came to mind as something that "sounds nice and has mythological significance." And here I am, down the rabbit hole. Thank you for the education! I know nothing about Norse mythology and am appreciating how complex following the historical evolution of storylines must be. And, having more context on the name origin of "Freya/Freyja/Freja" to see if it's appropriate to name our pet. She has drifted through many homes before ours with several different names, so I appreciate that parallel :)

[@reneedunaway2221]

And, we now know to "Americanize" the pronunciation more like "Fro-ya" instead of our NYC metro "FRAYYYY-AH"

[@freyaLNH]

awee my names Freya and this makes me so happyyyy have fun with your dog haha yall did it right- adopt, dont shop

[@Jayde_Seraph]

It could also be possible, from my limited understanding of general mythology, that since Freyja and Frigg are considered to be members of their respective clan/family of gods, that to differentiate their presence in the two families her name was split or she was given a new name. This would also explain odinn and odr as he would also become a member of both clans/families. This wouldn't be too dissimilar to how Kore the goddess of spring became known as Persephone, queen of the underworld, and would be referred to by either name depending on which role she was in at the time, though now we just know her as Persephone. This would also explain the presence of both Freyja and Frigg in stories like when Loki insults the gods, as Kore and Persephone are considered to be two separate beings.

[@TasKyUS]

I’ve always been in the camp that they’re both one and the same. Your lecture here just solidifies that for me. Love your content!

[@DrINTJ]

This was a pleasure to watch. One of your best ever. It was a delight to do through these hypotheses that may never be settled while being comforted by clear warnings about the lack of data and the high uncertainty of findings, without discounting the wonder of speculation.

[@mrdragon5142]

Coming along years later, I have a question, should you ever see it. I find your argument about the splitting of Frigg/Freya to be convincing, and it certainly answers a lot of questions I had about the goddesses of Norse mythology. My question is, how much consensus is there in your discipline on this topic? You mention disagreeing with people on this topic, and I guess I'm curious about how many people (of appropriate credentials/understanding of the topic) are you disagreeing with? While I'm posting, let me also say that I have been really enjoying your videos since I discovered them. I hope for the sake of students in formal/credentialed instruction that you find a way back to their classroom. As someone who just likes to see good information spread, I hope that you continue to share your knowledge in this public forum as well. Great job!

[@ScottAndScarlettsDarkHumor]

What is known about the afterlife of those chosen by Freyja?

[@freyatilly]

Thank you for this. I have tried to do research on these two goddesses. But thankfully you already did that and indeed it seems they were one, then split.

[@Virginia-er9si]

Thanks Dr. Crawford, a detailed analysis that seems to throw a revealing light also on the complexity of Norse way of seeing gender roles through mythology. It's really fascinating observing how, for a hyper-masculine society, the attributions of these figures are quite articulate. Well, "Indiana Jones lifestyle" is sure dreamt by many, but I have to say that academic life is not that bad when takes place in locations that are impressive like your Colorado.

[@danielfontenot7214]

Norse people were shaped by harsh weather and lesser so forgiving seas, attributes like strength and hardiness were fostered to preserve the people. To call the attributes masculine or feminine is to claim one has neither. Women were equals to the men but the Norse understood that people are built differently and each job was to those who could take it efficiently.

[@tanasha67]

I have been wondering if Friday was Frejas day, Friggs day or Frejs day... But if Frej and Freja are lord and lady of love, then Friday being loves day is simply the day of the love twins?

[@johanpeturdam]

Looks like frjá would be the origin of the Faroese verb "at fríggja", which can mean anything from "to make out" to "to make love" or even "to f*ck". Very context based but not usually seen as a swear word. But yes, that also has to do with the name of the day: the issue being that in the name of the day, the vowel is long í as opposed to Frigg which has a short vowel. Another example which points rather to fríggja- coming frjá, is that we see this sound change in another word: the word fé has the genitive form fjár, in Faroese these are fæ and fíggjar (this latter been spun off as a prefix meaning financial, so fíggjarlóg (finance law) means budget). But this sound change isn't consistent either since the adjective frjáls becomes frælsur in Faroese. - And as a native speaker, I would love your 40 minute lesson to see your take on Faroese. :)

[@nickb-whistler4431]

Love your videos. Love your relaxed demeanor. Love your "Hwether" pronunciation. It seems a more original pronunciation with the hard H.

[@jessicacrawford7058]

Thank you so much for your channel and knowledge! .. I’ve been so incredibly drawn to both Frigg and Freyja.. and your channel has helped me connect with my ancestral beliefs 🥰🙏🏻

[@Pagyptsian]

Yep. Just as confused as I was before. But also, learnt extra bits of information, thank you!

[@Lupinemancer87]

I've read some sources that states that Frigg is Njord's sister, and the aunt of Freya and Frey.

[@embracing_spirit]

As always, great video! Loved your approach to this topic.

[@TheRevanchrist]

I partially blame modern media for some of the confusion I have between the two. Especially in cases where "Frigg" is written out of stories or settings involving the Norse Pantheon and Freyja's character gets Frigg's stories along with her own.

[@harrybailey6297]

What a beautiful place in the background absolutely stunning

[@vorthora]

I'm not a scholar in your dept., but I've always believed them to be the same goddess. Perhaps, Freya, as a goddess of "love and beauty," might have represented the younger Frigg (perhaps the matron phase of Freya), with a more "stable" Odhr or Odinn, but the shipwreck still remains, and who knows if we'll ever know for sure.

[@sheilaforde836]

Thank you Dr Crawford. Just got into Norse Mythology & the Runes. Looking forward to viewing your other videos.

[@BerNa650]

A great video as always. Thanks for your effort and great work, it's awesome to have such a detailed and precise source such as you, it really motivates me to study even further! All the best to you

[@NorthernVisionsTarot]

Howdy from Wisconsin! It’s marvelous to see how your channel has evolved, Dr. Crawford (although I confess some nostalgia for the original whiteboard lectures). Your video mentions similarities between Norse, Proto Germanic, and Sanskrit. It got me thinking: weren’t all of these people originally descended from the Proto-Indo-Europeans? It makes sense that they would influence the evolution of language and spirituality- as the origin point of so many diverse cultural groups. Would it be fair to say that the words Frijjo/Frigg/Priyya are cognates? They are, to my ear, almost mutually intelligible. Furthermore, as language and culture are forever interwoven, I would be even more interested to hear your thoughts on the Aesir-Asura correspondence! Either way- THANK YOU for continuing to produce such thought provoking content. Looking forward to the next time I can sit down and noodle to one of your videos :)

[@NorthernVisionsTarot]

PS- it is Vendredi :)

[@swaggattarius4355]

I had a dream the other night that I was a giant warrior goddess, I’ve never heard the name Frig before, only Freya but I was called Frig in my dream. Which is why I clicked on this video, now I’m going to have to binge watch this whole channel.... Not saying by any means my dream has any validity at all, I also had a dream last week that Leonardo DiCaprio was bitten on the shoulder by a chimpanzee. 🤷‍♀️ Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I could listen to you read poems for hours...

[@marvalice3455]

dreams are strange things.

[@freyatilly]

Hahaha so cool. 🤣

[@RadicalCaveman]

DiCaprio WAS bitten on the shoulder by a chimpanzee. "The Da Vinci Code" proves it.

[@curriphacreator]

You have weird/cool dreams. :)

[@bolladragon]

I’m currently on the stance that Frigg/Freya are the same goddess under different names.

[@leomes]

Professor Crawford, Jacob Grimm identified Svipdag from the eddaic poems Fjölsvinnsmál and Grógaldr as Freya's husband, so did Viktor Rydberg. What do you think about their take on this? And another great video as usual. Cheers from Brazil.

[@luveniwai]

Grógaldr could definitely be a title Galdr being chant/magical song (If I'm not totally mistaken) - pretty sure Odin has a few Galdr names *runs off to look*

[@DeviousWriter]

This is awesome! Just found your channel and this was such a good lesson.

[@LeoxandarMagnus]

Good way to start the day.

[@MikeMafiaII]

Watching for the insights and the funny moments when your hat nearly flies away

[@brianericksen4700]

Jackson Crawford- love the talks. Connecting my son to his Norwegian past through some of your work. Thank you. Curious- I grew up in England and the term ‘frig’ or ‘to frig’ does indeed mean lady love but more lady self-love. Might there be some connection? Is there a similar linking say in the Hebredeas or Scandinavia as well? If overt connections to the goddess is there in in Friday, then perhaps ‘to frig’ is a left over ribald humor or just understanding of the human act with the goddess? It is natural that when many stories fade what leaves understanding last is something connected to sex.

[@brianericksen4700]

Please forgive the vulgar nature of the question but if there might be a connection this is strong evidence ancient Scandinavians viewed Frigg as less love and more a sex goddess. Perhaps this is some of the Frigg/Freya split.

[@Uulfinn]

Does freyja have any connections to ēostre? Is there a norse goddess whose name is cognate with ēostre?

[@calvincoolidge8180]

Excellent! Will use this in my Norwegian-class and History-class (how to work with sources). Greetings from Norway! I am the author of Sylvskipi btw.

[@ryomahoffman6803]

I have a theory that Freyjas association with war is just Romans or Greeks misinterpreting Freyja as Minerva/Athena, would I be wrong to say that? Cuz I also understand that Freyja is associated with the Valkyrie

[@TheMadgeorge]

Thanks for the music. It reminded me of Firefly. Great lecture by the way.

[@daneglance7205]

Firefly was shiny.

[@BillJoslin]

Dude, the only thing I find more frustrating than the incomplete archive of Norse mythology is a pair of working gloves in which the stitching at the ends of the fingers fall apart after 2 days. Those gloves are ballers. BRAND? LINK?

[@stevechappelle2453]

I have long held they are the same goddess (or possibly different aspects), thank you for an enlightening presentation.

[@evander2347]

Great food for thought. You have so much solid knowledge and I love the analogy between the old history and a shipwreck. I'm really glad you're an every day scholar and not out there swinging a whip 'killing communists'. Don't think you're suited for that, dusty scrolls fits you better. Cheers from Norway

[@crimsonmansion8]

Where in the sagas is it mentioned about Frigg being associated with weaving? Does anyone have leads?

[@fatimaruiz3504]

Love your videos! Thank you so much💙

[@giacomobressan5902]

I would recommend reading the History of the Lombards ( There are both Icelandic, Norwegian, Danish and Swedish translations of the book). There is an important part in the history of the Lombards which shows an important, if not, pivotal role of Women and Goddess.

[@colinnelson3041]

I have a personal theory that Freyja, who came to Asgard as a Vanir hostage, then marries Odin to cement the alliance of Aesir and Vanir, and Frigg is her married name. Was just a thought I had, but could explain the process of the development of the understanding of her as two separate goddesses

[@icykittenlunatic1122]

That seems plausible.

[@spearbun]

I see you played God Of War

[@oathboundsecrets]

Wow I love how you explain this. Thank you.

[@elloiseansell5322]

Omg just reading your translation of the poetic edda!! So awesome:)

[@LivWildStyle]

Thank you.

[@LivWildStyle]

I heart linguistics. Have a wonderful day. Keeping it Drengar

[@arghapirate2427]

In Dutch the wordt for friday is vrijdag. The word we have in Dutch for making love is vrijen. In folklore we call the white berries of the misseltoe freya's tears, I guess it's related to the death of Baldr. I heard Freya is related to the Linden tree, do you have more info on that?

[@lwmaynard5180]

I have read in one of in one of Robert Scrutton book THE OTHER ATLANTIS, that FREYER was one of three mother's of the earth. ? Appears to be one of the wife's of Noah's sons ?

[@lexi9956]

Kudos, this was very enlightening.

[@Meretneith]

Much more interesting could be the association with Freyr and the Njörd-Nerthus family. Since the evidence seems to indicate that the these gods were exclusively worshipped in the north, Scandinavia, Northern Germany and England, the merging of Odin's wife with Nerthus-Njörds daughter could have been one major factor in the split into two goddesses in this region. And indeed Freyja shares characteristics with both Odin and Freyr.

[@UnobtainableSilence]

Thank you Mr. Crawford, I greatly appreciate your knowledge of the old Norse lore.

[@MidgardMusings]

This is awesome! My most recent Deity Discussion video was on Frigg. Really love the exceptional detail put in here, as usual!

[@sigbraga]

Your videos are the best. Thank you for them. But some times, like in this video, the sound is a bit low.

[@dominomasked]

With the notion that folkvangr is valhol, it makes me wonder if freya “choosing the seats” and each getting half means she’s the one who basically decides which are hers and which are his by where they sit. I also wonder if “choosing” the dead refers to after they’re already dead or before,.

[@gunther141]

Uh...what was that yell at 2:24?

[@admiraln8]

Very informative and helpful. Thanks

[@thyandyr7369]

Got them books, will read in few weeks on my 14h flight.

[@melissahdawn]

I love the pronunciation in this video!

[@michaelvalor9480]

The way I interpret it , is as a polygynous relationship. Freya was for "business",namely to seal the peace between the Aesir and Vanir. Doesn't mean there wasn't some spark of interest,simply means it was an arrangement. Helps to explain their separate halls receiving the slain. Frigg would be for love (with occasional women,such as Jord and Skadi). The arranged marriage would also mirror what happened between kings and queens of different lands.

[@mickmaddox8423]

Thank you for all that you do!

[@wolff110001]

I love your videos I use them to help teach my children and other norse pagans that come to me for guidance

[@Salamialayksuwp]

I personally think Frigg and Freya were originally the same, and that Frigg's kinda... second name - (Like Odin & Allfather is the same. Or the other way around).

[@energiesrising333]

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing this with us. Lead here through a series of Synchronicities. From Colorado myself 😁

[@j3tztbassman123]

Thanks for giving me the logistic evidence that supports my own interpretation of the ancient lore. I also use Óđin's reaction to Freyja's acquisition of the Brisingamen to be rather indicative of their relationship. However, I do know a dedicant of the Vanir who maintains that these goddesses are unique individuals. Perhaps over the years since the linguistic split, the spiritual energy of worshipers has given these names their own agency.

[@ericesper348]

Great video. I see a lot of this same kind of confusion even worse with the Morrigú And her various and many at least 9 component goddesses. I truly wish to be someone out there, and I don't mean to be Brown nosing, with your level of communication skills and expertise working on the insular Celtic material.

[@annegunnhildalbertsen1304]

Hi Jackson. Can you help me where is the best place to learn old norse? I live in Denmark and dont have the possability to come to your place. But do you have some kind of online schooling?

[@00ddub]

Could Freja be connected to the Vedic word “Praja”?

[@IcyPandaGirl]

So who had the chariot of giant cats, frigg or freya?

[@briancurtis6022]

So if Freya is equated to Frigga, then her marriage to Odin makes Freyr a brother-in-law to the Allfather?

[@ChrissieBear]

Perfect time of year for this video xP

[@garychynne1377]

thank yew jackson. enjoyed

[@legendoftheland7296]

What if Frigg and Freya are twines?

[@tov5392]

Very informative, thank you.

[@SecretYams]

I wish there was more info on Hel and her realm Helheim

[@LordHayabusa85]

In the recent God of War game, Mimir claims that Odin refers to Freyja as Frigg because Frigg means Beloved. Supposedly he does this to mask Freyja’s (a Vanir woman) accomplishments as those of an Aesir woman.

[@ironrex6979]

I wouldn’t take anything from that game seriously.

[@marcellanormanno9607]

Gosh, the automatic subtitles are crazy. Volvar, becomes...vulva...

[@Troy_KC-2-PH]

Hey @02:25 did someone yell THOR!!! ? :-)

[@sidravitale308]

Oh, wow, that shipwreck metaphor makes a lot of sense.

[@chaserose5127]

*Jackson Crawford and the Quest to Stop the Nazis From Stealing Mjolnir*

[@1sanitat1]

@P C Mjölnir isn't a german thing y'know

[@RyanEdmondsMyLifeAsRyan]

Wassail! Thank you Prof - your work is invaluable to us who are attempting to reconstruct and reinvent the spiritual traditions of our ancestors. Just downloaded your Havamal... And I can't WAIT to begin - my holiday reading here in Summery South Africa! :)

[@jaharnarishma5373]

So, I know you said you didn't wanna have that 40 minute conversation on Faroese pronunciations... but, can you, at some point maybe? Edit: I don't know why I forgot to say this! I love your work, thanks so much Dr. Crawford.

[@realplank]

So is it possible that there is a lost story that Freya married Óðin as a part of the peace treaty between the Æsir and Vanir?

[@faramund9865]

Do you think it's possible that we'll find more literature on the Norse Gods from the 11th through the 13th century or before.

[@nkhtn663]

Dr. Crawford discusses that a bit in this video, I believe: kzbin.info/www/bejne/on2uaI2MrauCqck

[@Pandemoniumusic]

This is highly unlikely. But who knows, up to the 19th century, it regularly happened that scholars randomly found original litterature in the dark libraries of German monasteries...

[@Tina06019]

Wouldn’t that be great? Not very likely, we can but hope!

[@pablolloyd1450]

Could Frigg have been born by something like parthenogenesis similarly to Aphrodite in Greek myth? Considering their boths goddesses of love...

[@liamgibson8602]

is that your dueling pose in the thumbnail or what? looks like you're about to draw on someone

[@Helagsborinn]

I have a theory that I've been researching. It is an amalgam theory that comes from both that Freyja and Frigga by prominent scholars are considered the same goddess, that the Sister-whife of Njord is in fact Nerthus/Jörð/Fjörgyn, and that Freya is associated with slate lightning 'that lacks thunder' (implying a lineage of lightning reaching both Thor and Freya). This would make Thor the stepson of Njord, and Njord the same as Fjörgynn and thus the Father of Frigga, making the true name of Freyja to be Frigga-Freyja brother of Yngvi-Frey and lightning a power inherited to both Thor and Freyja from their mother Fjörgyn/Jord. It fits. See also how the other IE-cultures worships Fjörgynn/Njord as the God of Thunder and not his stepson, but in names such as Perkunas and Perun. So: • Frigga-Freyja (Lady Frigga) is the "true" norse name of Frigga and Freya and that is why they share most traits with each other just like this clip suggests. • Jord/Njörun/Fjörgyn/Nerthus is the same goddess. • Njord and Fjörgynn is the same god. • Jord is the Consort of Njord, a divine pair much like the Frej & Freja duo and it explains the Fjörgynn/ Fjörgyn pair. • Jord is the mother of Yngvi-Frey and Frigga-Freyja. • Thor is the child of Jord and Odin, and thus both half-brother and stepchild to Frigga-Freyja. • Fjörgynn & Fjörgyn = Njord & Jord; the parents of Yngvi-Freyr & Frigga-Freyja.

[@concernedcitizen6313]

For someone who doesn't speak French, your pronunciation of "Vendredi" was pretty damn close. You accented the last syllable, which is a common misconception among English speakers as to how French applies stress. It's sentence-level, not lexical. But still, your articulations of the sounds (the nasalized vowel in the first syllable only finalizing just as the "d" in the second syllable starts (which is largely unavoidable since they share the same place of articulation), for example) were spot on. Bien fait, mon ami!

[@rambodave]

I'm still kinda wondering why they have different children and are said to be from different tribes of gods if they were the same entity