From A to B: Tales Of Modern Motoring (1993)

Here's a complete episode from this early BBC ob-doc series. This one looks at company car drivers.

[@arfer]

You could put Alan Partridge in the middle of this and no one would notice a thing.

[@gulfstream7235]

I know. Scary and funny in equal measures.

[@nicebloke6066]

I’m not driving a mini metro, I’m not driving a mini metro, I’m not driving a mini metro…

[@user-sf7kl9uh7k]

With hints of David Brent

[@HonestJohncouk2000]

10:22. The world's angriest milk man.

[@henryrolt3747]

I noticed that insane piece if tailgating too!

[@CycolacFan]

Guy in the Montego maybe nicked one of his yoghurts.

[@terible420]

I watched this 10 years ago, i am still as amazed by these people today as I was then "I said with pride, its not a Honda, its a Nissan Primera"

[@chrisl461]

Every kid should have to watch this. It teaches an important life lesson. Any material thing you’re currently obsessing over will be scrap sooner than you think.

[@limpet7r63]

Made me laugh how even though he was redlining that 200E in every gear off that roundabout, it really struggled to get past the Transit.

[@crackspider101]

That's what I thought! I actually caught myself saying out loud, "wow, it nearly has enough power to get past that van"

[@vyrnmn]

Cars were slow AF in the 90s. They've gotten so fast in the last 30 years, even the boring stuff, that it's easy to forget how slow everything was back then

[@jameslind1964]

but that's probably no ordinary base model transit. It's the XL with the upgraded sport package. Probably.

[@CynicalBastard511]

@@jameslind1964 Nah, it's the RS Cosworth model.

[@CynicalBastard511]

Have you seen the heavy load the Merc was carrying? No wonder it struggled to overtake the Transit.

[@Gazdatronik]

This is Fascinating... They are literally fighting over crumbs, and have pride over who has the largest.

[@tom_123]

They’re not literally fighting over crumbs, though it is fascinating I agree.

[@Radingtonbear]

Russell Brand in his BMW was pure class. Tapping along to classical music like he didn’t normally listen to Wham. 😂

[@Jamesmorley1999]

Absolutely! As soon as the cameras were off he was giving it the full ‘club Tropicana’ 😂

[@AW_2000]

As soon as the camera was off he was belting along to Robin S Show Me Love

[@rw6924]

ha ha ha ha

[@juggnautbitch]

Guy thought he was hot shit in a near base spec e36. Did he think the guys driving e39's were gods?

[@tech9803]

It's like Spinal Tap with sales reps.

[@CaptainOveur69]

I sold my M3 as it didn't have an 'i' on the back so I bought a Hyundai i20 instead

[@rare6499]

Jumbo Whiffy nicely done. That little bit more respect in the company car park.

[@mondo8946]

I don’t stand a chance with a 118D 🙃

[@jimhinks3476]

I saw this when it was originally broadcast. Even as a 12 year old I thought they were complete delusional, small-minded mediocrities. The Maestro man and Mr Cavalier with his deference for those with headlight washers have stayed with me for nigh on 30 years.

[@bobbyhorsman9963]

headlight washers were kinda a big deal ya know?!

[@andreasu.3546]

@@bobbyhorsman9963 You can have all the headlight washers you want but nothing beats the i factor.

[@maxticate]

Me too! I looked for this programme on the internet today and found it.

[@rw6924]

ha ha ha

[@justso1823]

Maestro man was definitely not having a good year

[@timmeh101851]

Milkman super tailgating at 10:24 lol

[@CreRay]

23:46 ".. and that's a succes." he says, with a steel face. Priceless!

[@markjanzen5062]

I think I will be watching for jackets on hangers in the rear window of cars for the rest of my life.

[@rare6499]

Mark Janzen especially the fake wood 😂

[@BarnacleBill77]

I love this episode....I always felt sorry for Maestro man too, NOBODY deserved that!

[@microfarming8583]

He was a weak sheep and in the sales world they get slaughtered

[@benday1218]

BBC documentaries of this era were just 'art' to me

[@crimsonpirate1710]

Totally agree, wont see the like ever again. People would just be too scared to voice theirs openly. Good or not!

[@JDMNINJA851]

@@crimsonpirate1710 People are fake now, always trying to be woke.

[@64bakes]

You're right, they were masterpieces most of the time, as were the Cutting Edge documentaries from Channel 4

[@andreasu.3546]

@@crimsonpirate1710 Wonder what they told these people so they would open up and make total fools of themselves, probably without even realizing it.

[@Mishima505]

The first guy must be the only person ever to get excited about a sodding Astra..

[@EportChris]

Not at all, Mark! 🤣

[@PhilOsGarage]

The very definition of a boring car.

[@dstroud666]

An old girlfriend used to get excited in an Astra, but that is a different story!

[@jameslind1964]

he thinks he's living the dream. But it's a nightmare.

[@zenbudhism]

When did you last drive one?🤣

[@mikecanmore1645]

I am a certified car nut and at several points during this I wanted to scream "OHMYGODWHOTHEHELLCARES!". These are the most boring people ever.

[@dans5664]

"literally sat down and cried" Totally feel for the guy, I've been in a Maestro.

[@Jonny_Justice]

I’m sure he was also wearing one of those ‘free’ gold watches you could collect from petrol stations back in the day…

[@Affalterbach1967]

JayEmm sent me. Great documentary, it really captured the John Major era for private sector mid-level staff.

[@KarlHamilton]

Same lol

[@and321now]

It’s a parody… good lord.

[@KarlHamilton]

@@and321now nope

[@James28R]

"sent you" you silly little asskisser

[@macroorchidism]

16:20, this guy wins... check out the way he says "...that's for reps."

[@I-T-S-M-E]

What a cock

[@CynicalBastard511]

15:00 K179 VBD = 1992 Mercedes-Benz E-class 200E; Date of first registration: 4th of September 1992 - 23rd of November 2017. It had 6 owners in 25 years and two months and the last odometer reading was 202,316 miles.

[@ashleyholroyd91]

JELH Just looked it up myself, Mercedes build quality

[@lewis72]

Just looked it up too. MOT ran out 12th July 2014. Odometer read 174,786 miles. Don't know where the 202,316 miles came from !

[@CynicalBastard511]

@@lewis72 Cazana vehicle check.

[@trainman665]

@@CynicalBastard511 That’s the estimate. It died at about 174k.

[@eazy007gh]

Most of these cars are not "dead" but probably exported and surprisingly still on the road!

[@mcdouche2]

Forget Star Wars, forget Titanic, forget Citizen Cane. This is my new favorite movie.

[@TrippingThru]

This is amazing. Genuinely. Assuming these people aren't scripted and this isn't a stealth parody of salesmen and their hangups (which seems unlikely; what little the internet has given me about this is that it was a legitimate docu-series), this is a fantastic piece of work. Even tho the drivers themselves are taking themselves very seriously, the film seems to mostly pity and/or disdain them. No matter who they are, how "good" their car is, they're shown all driving the same, empty stretches of barren highway, eating at the same sort of middling lunch holes, stuck behind interchangeable 18-wheelers. If I had to pick only one to follow up with (would love to see an update on the lot, tho), it would have to be the guy and his Ford hatchback who pops up at 18:30 or so. Because he was definitely the most insufferable little weasel I've ever seen. Would love to know if he grew out of it or just became more and more of an irredeemable waste of air as he got older. Willing to bet the latter.

[@joemoonblue]

+TrippingThru sharing this comment

[@johnroberts2905]

Not parody. Legit early 90s motoring with real people. Within 5 years, company cars were on the way out...

[@TheGeordieTiger]

Agreed. This is like Louis Theroux minus Louis!

[@robertsmith9967]

This is an excellent analysis btw.

[@JohnnyPaton]

I worked as a sales rep in the late 00s and badge snobbery was a real thing even then and something we all discussed. We all got utterly shite base model Renault Megane "sportshatches" (basically asthmatic 1.5 non turbo diesel estates) whilst the regional managers got Lagunas. The area managers got a choice of higher spec Laguna or a BMW 3 series estate. My regional manager left and got a job working for Nestle where you could pick a car within a certain budget so he managed to get a 2 year old 57 plate BMW 3 series coupe. Much jealousy ensued.

[@rare6499]

I'm not going to be seen sitting in my car doing paperwork...that's for reps!!..... I had to come and watch this three years on😂👍

[@jimhinks3476]

Nothing says success like hiring a room at Doncaster Travelodge on A1 (M) 'quite frequently'.

[@ConnorFGuitar]

@@jimhinks3476 I can never get past assuming some kind of seedy undertone to him paying for a room at a roadside hotel "quite frequentlah". I suspect he may also have paid for some company from time to time.

[@aredub1847]

@@ConnorFGuitar im sure his wife loved him being gone.

[@sambarker7930]

Out of all of them he was certainly the most pathetic

[@JJVernig]

Why is this so compelling viewing? These people made cars/standing/salary/seniority all in one and make it about cars. I'm totally fascinated. It's almost 30 year ago now, but whatever you think about these people, I'm glad they were honest and we got a view inside this small-minded struggle in their company's. I bet those upgrades from a 1.6 to 1.8 or whatever made those people do extreme hours. They didn't see and didn't value all other perks a job has to offer. Also, the views of near empty motorway's, speeding cars and HGV's(!). I would like to go back in time and drive my current car in those setting. It's stylistic a very nice view, and portray's a sort of emptyness about the roads and the people.

[@vincew8609]

Apostrophe alert!

[@JJVernig]

@@vincew8609 sorry, it is not my first language..

[@tabsntoot]

legend has it he still chugs the motorway in the maestro diesel on the way to collect his 2.0i that never was

[@jamesrothwell8693]

Watching this has been the highlight of my working day.

[@waynecroot]

They can't see it's a CD Astra - oh, the irony...

[@robblair3703]

The guy with the Mercedes W124. "I took the 200E badge off the back, because that's just the sort of guy I am." Yes...A massive tit, clearly lol

[@waynecroot]

Can you imagine working beneath such a self-important prize pilchard like that? Talk about over-compensating for your life of mediocrity.

[@tammclean9276]

Exactly what I was thinking , self entitled bell-end

[@stevefood7389]

He stood as the UKIP candidate for 2015 Oxford East election, considers himself a close friend of Nigel Farage.

[@zm321]

@@stevefood7389 I've just tried to look that up, apparently the candidate was just 24? Can't be the same guy.

[@stevefood7389]

@@zm321 I entirely made it up, completely believable though, isn't it?

[@danielsifuentes6132]

A Rover Maestro? He must have really pissed someone off.

[@theglumrant9477]

Daniel Sifuentes do not shag the secretary the boss fancies...or else!. You have been warned!

[@tbrasc0]

They called it a punishment wagon for reps who missed their targets.

[@gulfstream7235]

He did say both him and the wife cried the night he brought it home...aww bless lol.

[@BF3blog]

The Patrick Batemans of car enthusiasts.

[@sambarker7930]

These men aren't car enthusiasts (two of the three "thumping good points" about the Nissan's engine are the same point)

[@tillyfrey1288]

Oldest known footage of texting while driving 8:24

[@jamesclarke3985]

Absolutely fascinating. Also explains why most older sales directors/managers I've had over the last few years have been complete numbskulls having come from this lot.

[@microfarming8583]

Guarantee you're a low grade bottom feeder with no closing skills or strength. So many of your kind are weak and pathetic nowadays.

[@elizner]

"you wouldn't see me doing paperwork in the car, that's for the reps" he scoffed

[@brhodes0]

Ah the George and Lynn mix of Blowout there at 22:28. License-losing tune in an XR2i!!

[@TheManmoths]

This is more Partridge than most Partridge

[@EportChris]

Lynn, I'm not driving a mini metro.

[@zippy963]

It's a Rover 100.

[@jryalls]

The guy at 29:00 banging on about “everyone saying diesels are better that petrols for the environment” turns out he was right.

[@justso1823]

Reet smoke coming out of eet ont k plate

[@thephaze3]

This HAS to be sattire. Absolutely brilliant 😂👍

[@crimsonpirate1710]

Its real! A first into 'reality tv'

[@stuartwilson4754]

It's a satire!! The other episodes in the series are good too!

[@anthonybeech676]

The coat hanger broke in the Montego LOL.

[@bloodyliar]

29:10 Way ahead of his time

[@CrypticSquirrel]

I can see where Ricky Gervais got his David Brent inspiration from. 🤷‍♂️

[@alphaod]

27:32 is the best line in the whole episode.

[@64bakes]

This is fascinating and a fantastic documentary. I was a youngster back when company car culture was rife, but vividly remember both my Uncle and my Dad's 'healthy' competition over it. I remember many company cars on our driveway. When I was just about old enough to remember we had a Calibra (red top no less) as my Dad's then company car. Then came an E36 coupe (318is in white on an early J-plate but with body-coloured bumpers and rear headrests). A W124 200E even made an appearance (in the obligatory white base spec colour of course), which I remember my Dad not being so fond of as it was about 3-years old at the time he ended up with it. My Uncle had a base-spec 318i saloon on a K-plate, then not long after he had a Rover 620 turbo which I thought was actually really nice, and went like a rocket. When my Dad and a business partner eventually started up on their own and took over a business up in Northants, my mum drove a couple of the spare rep cars for a while.... first a white Cavalier 1.6GL and then a white Vectra diesel. The latter must have been dreadful to drive, but all I remember is being wowed by the then novel TrafficMaster updates! The subjects of this documentary are laughable and at the extreme end of course, but it goes to show both how real and slightly pathetic this subculture was back then. Our modern day equivalent fringe benefits are probably remote working and/or health care, amongst other things.

[@sambarker7930]

Id have to say the man in the Mercedes was extremely pathetic

[@stevenwalkinshaw891]

I still can’t tell if this is the best piece of comedy history, way ahead of its time or real

[@Sean-vh8pm]

Everything around the driver looks spot on. All the other cars and road markings/fixtures are time correct. Must be real as too many other vehicles are correct.

[@jaspervanderveen7022]

Absolutely fabulous. Such a nice period piece and yet still so true today.

[@ChromeFreeDisco]

Thanks for posting, a great episode!

[@2lefThumbs]

Thanks for putting this up, I haven't laughed so hard since I first saw it on tv, now I've shared it to people I've mentioned it to 👍👍

[@richardcloudbase]

I was gobsmacked watching this in 1993. I'm still gobsmacked now

[@MyFoxworld]

I grew up in the countryside. The richest folk I knew were farmers. They spent 20/30k on their tractors thousands on trailers and farming machinery and at the most about 5 or 6 hundred on cars. I could just imagine these guys looking at the farmers in their cars back then and thinking they were better off 🤣

[@blitzwing1985]

This is like a time machine to my childhood. My dad had a Granada then the Sierra so many memorys of ran filled holidays.

[@kiritanJ]

Brutally honest surprisingly insight-inducing content.

[@msnit9676]

Imagine being embarrassed of someone looking at your coat hanger on the motorway - nightmare, Hate it when that happens

[@EportChris]

TBF, the maestro would be a "sickening blow" for anyone...what did he do to deserve that?! 🤣🤣🤣

[@MrSupercar55]

Ain't nothing wrong with a Maestro. How dare you talk like that about my mum's old car. It was a great runner. Sure, to start it required a sock in the air filter, but that was because of a computer problem. COMPUTERS DON'T BELONG IN CARS!! They belong on a coffee-stained cluttered desk with their user screaming profanities at error messages all day long.

[@tomwilliams7391]

This looks OLD in 2023! I was only young in 1993, nine but watching this proves I didn't imagine it.... people used to take themselves very, very seriously in those days!

[@camo7886]

Thanks for uploading this. Really interesting. It would be good if they did a version today. Everyone would be much self-aware because of social media.

[@michaeljames9785]

Totally sad, remember when this was filmed I drove my Granada 2.0i with pride. How things have changed, I now drive a car with no letter or numbers badges anywhere, and rightly so.

[@danielcroft7653]

If I was on it, it would be: this is my mid-range company Honda. It is adequate.

[@shahn78]

Brilliant filmmaking.

[@geoffclarke8934]

Really enjoyed this. I was a young boy racer with a Peugot 205GTI 1.9 when this was filmed. Great times for motoring as much less traffic and no speed cameras.

[@tom_123]

This is amaaazing. I can’t believe this is real!

[@MyTROLLEYBUS]

No wonder Great Britain is in such a mess - this lot couldn't sell themselves out of a paper bag. The employers should have known better.

[@jaxgeorge3088]

You see where Ricky Gervais got his characters from. I thought this was a parody with actors at first. 😂

[@DavidChow]

'Wayne from Essex' of today now probably drives either BMW 3-series or A4/A5. Pretty sure the gold chain is still a fixture on the wrist, as well as the badly cut suits.

[@alphaod]

I love this.

[@scrapyardwarriorvlogging]

The Mercedes 200E is still taxed and on the road - despite the thrashing....

[@domhaughton6809]

Loved watching this again after all these years. I never forgot the guy with the Maestro 😂 Thanks for sharing a wonderful time capsule.

[@gulfstream7235]

A Maestro diesel, and to rub salt on the wounds a clubman at that!

[@bobbyhorsman9963]

@@gulfstream7235 and everyone must've hated him for them to leak it to the rest of the staff, then all come out pissing their pants!!

[@dstroud666]

Map pockets! Really brings home the lack of sat nav !!! 😂

[@chucky2316]

People read maps 👍

[@robertsmith9967]

I loved my old diesel 309. I used to look in the rear view mirror, see the car behind me and think...... Hmm. There’s a car behind me. That headbanger going on about colour coded bumpers and headlight washers....... I have watched this about 10 times and will watch more. I simply cannot believe what I’m watching. I cannot comprehend what it must be like inside these guys heads and ....... actually, this is way beyond me....but compulsive it is

[@conkerman01]

I suspect it's rather cramped in there. After dealing with a few of these types back in the day, I suspicion is extremely Generous. I wonder what Maestro Man did?

[@Rouxenator]

Watching this in 2021 as someone working from home it seems like a different world with different rules and benchmarks. Even up to last year when I did go to the office it was on a bicycle. I do own an Astra Saloon, also a 1.6 - but with a turbo - and it's a 2015.

[@JJVernig]

And you own it! Those lot all got a car with the job. It was never theirs in the first place...

[@livc444111]

The Maestro guy, not sure whether to laugh or cry

[@movesky6696]

more like to laugh and maestro

[@MrSporkster]

This is worthy of Adam Curtis. Their lives are just so astonishingly inconsequential.

[@creyly8326]

14:26 Insert Alan Partridge 'that's SAAAAD'

[@121zoso]

The guy at 29 min 30 sec !! Turns out he was so right about diesel 👏👏

[@dj331]

And now everyone has a bmw 3 series!

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

Fabulous viewing. Hearing how prideful these salesmen are with their 1.6, 1.8 and massive 2.0 litre cars is hilarious and the motorways are so quiet as well.

[@lanehogger1532]

Yep, I remember these times and a 2.0 Gli was a nice car but certainly not much better than an L.😂

[@PhilOsGarage]

'it's a bit different from the run of the mill astras'... Sonny, ALL astras are run of the mill, it's the very definition of a run of the mill car.

[@JohnnyPaton]

He was talking as though he'd been given a 2.2 GSi the absolute cocksocket.

[@bloodyliar]

I had a Maestro all those years ago.. I wonder if its reached 60 mph yet

[@thepie4052]

“Thrusting achiever” AFPMSL! This may be the funniest thing I’ve seen for years!

[@Grahamvfr]

Absolutely brilliantly why haven't I seen this before. I could have been one of those back then hahaha

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

I think it's healthy for one to speak their mind about such things. When I was younger, I used to "pass judgment" (if you can call it that), on particularly older designed cars and their drivers - not necessarily _poorly maintained_ cars - just old ones. There was something of a "behind the times" mindset I had toward such motorists, who [somehow] _could_ afford a "better" (ergo _newer)_ car, but just stuck and "made do" with what they had. I don't think I could've tolerated sitting as a passenger in a car, unless (at the *least)* it had head restraints, and or just "appeared" conventionally, contemporarily "mainstream". I would probably have felt embarrassed, to have sat in a car from before such things were ubiquitous enough. Even now, there is still something of a "does it meet _this_ criteria, and _that_ criteria?" mindset when looking for vehicles. They might not all be the same, but there is still something lying dormant.

[@chucky2316]

Everybody just drives wedding white suv's these days to me they are boring they are like lemmings

[@avec4amadman1]

This is fantastic, I thought it was a spoof documentary or a parody, absolutely in love with this program, yet at the same time I’m disgusted by it..... addictive watching these idiots, yet at the same time would love a mint mk3 cavalier SRI (but not for bragging rights) i is for important ha ha ha....

[@kevinbaird7277]

This had a big impact on me when the series first aired in the 90's, my ex-wife's father was so like the nutter talking about the "i" badge, i was a mechanic at the time, i knew that injection engines were more about emissions than performance, but he wasn't listening, the whole family were obsessed with watching cars going past when on the road and looking at the rear badge, in 35 years of being with my ex she always stared at the rear of any passing car to see what badge the car had, it was hilarious, i still laugh when i think about it.

[@DavidDavid-kl4ru]

Also amusing is that since catalytic converters became mandatory in 1992 all new cars were fuel injected anyway, i badge or not.

[@nlpnt]

@@DavidDavid-kl4ru Catalytic converters with carbs were a thing on the US market for about 12-15 years. I do not miss them.

[@JohnnyPaton]

The days of when having "16v" on the back was a big thing. I've got a '94 Escort as a wee project (it's on the road) and it proudly bears the 16v badge on the back as it has the 1.6 16v Zetec EFi engine lol. My mechanic I use is only 31 and he can't believe that was even a thing.

[@kevinbaird7277]

@@JohnnyPaton very funny, incredible boasting on this series from people that would be murdered if I we're stuck in a lift for any more than say 6 minutes with any of those bellends.

[@turnbull321]

This is golden

[@nigelcreighton2411]

What an amazing insight into some truly vapid existences.

[@senormorrissey]

Great actors.

[@johnroberts2905]

Nope, real reps. One of a series of 5 programmes about car culture.

[@bonzobanzi1137]

Glamorous, they're basically truck drivers without the cab.

[@pharoahegypt]

16:00 ... why does the term "berk in a merc" spring to mind? lol.

[@Cjbx11]

I wonder what happened to the guy in the Maestro. I suspect he didn’t stay with that company for long. Interestingly having checked the car registration the Maestro was first registered in March 1992 and hasn’t been taxed since October 1994 suggesting the car was written off at some point.

[@CynicalBastard511]

He probably crashed on purpose just to get rid of it.

[@TheRedlorry]

One of my colleagues got a brand new E-reg Maestro company car on 1st August. He was parked on an industrial estate, doing some paperwork, when a van ran into the back of it and wrote it off. He hadn’t even taken it home to show the wife.

[@Boric78]

The chap in the Maestro - LOL. So true, bet he found himself a nice Vauxhall somewhere else as soon as he could. LOL

[@Boric78]

Hopefully took a couple of clients with him too, the cheap fecks.

[@carcontrolcommitment]

@@Boric78unlikely he did that. He was given the Maestro as he wasn’t hitting his targets.

[@emlyndewar]

Maestro Clubman D... The poor sod. :(

[@CrypticSquirrel]

Even his piece of plastic for hanging his jacket on broke 🤣

[@misterr279]

This should be used in psychology classes, or show it to every child growing up to teach them that the things you think are really important always turn out to be a heap of dated unloved shite eventually.

[@roberttaylor7462]

I remember this from the first time around. Always remember the 'i' man who cracks me up and would glady push off a bridge.

[@chrissmith4365]

I remember watching this the first time around as well I remember the guy who got the maestro well

[@Simon-qn5wm]

I have never understood the mindset of a lot of these characters. It seems to be "Everybody, look at me & look at what I have got & how important I am. I must be better than you because I drive a higher model or more expensive car'.

[@williamespey9683]

What comes to mind is Willy Loman and Death of a Salesman.

[@CynicalBastard511]

Guy in the BMW thinks he's a winner, but he couldn't afford air-conditioning 46:04... What a loser!

[@ianpreece6391]

absolutely brilliant! Alan Partridge on steroids

[@retrorideruk]

more please !

[@EportChris]

Mr XR2i is a legend 👌🏻🤣

[@neildempster2827]

Bellend, more like..

[@98-SR5]

Apparently the Astra only lasted about another year, untaxed as of October 1994.

[@malcolmcowan9554]

Must got stolen or crashed

[@aredub1847]

@@malcolmcowan9554 or both

[@michaelmartinez4136]

my hero

[@richardmumford2708]

A harrods hangar ...thats blown me away

[@janesyb]

JESUS every single one bleating on about badges and peer respect. What a bunch of sycophants. Fair play to the lad in the XR2i though.

[@johnroberts2905]

He didn't like wearing a seatbelt though! Law requiring it passed a good 10 years earlier...

[@benchiaase]

Nah he's a twat like the rest of them too.

[@simonharding1572]

@Paul Matthews you still a rep

[@simonharding1572]

@@norwich19661 good on you pleased it worked out - think you made a good choice on the car btw