From ADV To Dual Sport.. And Back To ADV Again

[@OFFroadOFFcourse]

I am more or less in the same page right now. I do love offroad oriented bikes (dual-sport like your 701, or my modded XT660, etc), but truth is, nowadays my skill level totally makes it possible to ride a 800-1200cc offroad without any problems... and i have to admit the extra challenge (and extra comfort even offroad) at this time sound more appealing than a very easy very light motorcycle. To me, trying the norden 901 was game changer...and I would probably buy the 890R if i had the money for any of them xD The africa twin also is surprisingly good :) Ps: offroad is literally 500m away from my house...so your reasons are even stronger than mine :p

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hey thanks a lot for sharing my friend, it’s reassuring that I make sense to an offroad legend like you. You are a much better rider than I am, but I think what you are saying is true for me too. I feel like I’ve established good enough of a base level to tackle bigger bikes again - not only riding skill but the experience to know when to turn as well. The way you handled that 901 I can definitely understand why you’re intrigued by a bigger bike. I must admit I like the base model Africa Twin, it does tick a lot of my boxes. I guess time will show, and we have a lot of time to talk about this in november 😉

[@OFFroadOFFcourse]

@@JohannesDalenMC i believe the AT is better for on-road use than the 901/890. Honestly, they didnt strike as "great touring cruisers"... More like very big dual sports...so perhaps in your situation the AT or the SA1290 would make even more sense. Its not just about the riding skills, but also about the level of control/trust you have on the tracks you are following. I dont know how it is in Norway, but if you only ride on pre-explored "adventure rated" tracks, some you might even know yourself, then you know exactly what you are going to find and what sort of bike you will feel comfortable with. Here in Portugal there are 47287582 million interconnected tracks, so when you go about exploring or recording new tracks for tours, sometimes you end up in tricky situations...that has been the biggest deterrent for getting an heavier bike (my biggest bike ever was a Super Tenere 750, 1997, 235kg :) )...thing is, even while exploring i do less and less mistakes (cause you can basically predict the future after a while xD) so a bigger bike is no longer the end of the world. Keep us posted! Ps: i will reply to your email! I am waiting info!

[@miro_s]

@offroad-offcourse I follow and enjoy your channel, so I know what you’re saying. Perhaps in your case is the added challenge to attract you, but in my view big bike vs light bike off-road it’s just a different kind of experience: whatever your skill level, you just won’t do the same things on them. Without considering than big bikes get damaged expensively when dropped.

[@miro_s]

@@OFFroadOFFcourse definitely the 890R is not a cruiser and wouldn’t solve Johannes’ problem. But it’s not even a large dirtbike. If weare talking large dirtbikes, johannes already has the best there is: the 701… but agree with you that with his requirements he probably ought to be looking at a KTM SA, probably the R, perhaps even the S model…

[@OFFroadOFFcourse]

@@miro_s i couldnt agree more! Its a different experience altogether, and the price of the damages is always in your head xD

[@gregwatts1159]

I'm in my 50's and have had about 25 bikes. One thing I've learned; if I sell a bike I still really enjoy, even if the reasons are logical ones, I often regret the decision. I now wait until I've really turned the corner and gone off a bike before I sell it. In the end, I've found you really need at least 2 bikes. It's amazing to have more than one setup and the ability to enjoy a totally different experience at the turn of a key. To do this, I'd happily ride older, lower cost, mid-range bikes with less technology. They can be just as rewarding as new ones, if not more so. I'm 5 1/2 years into 701 ownership and have made it a lightweight adv' bike like yours. I love it and I'm not selling it, but that's because I also have something quite different for the road. Neither bike is perfect for everything, but between the two of them, I can cover most bases pretty well. There are plenty of good bikes out there that you can buy for about the cost of what you will lose by selling the 701. - Just a thought.

[@gregwatts1159]

I should say, finding what bike(s) work for you is all part of the motorcycle journey and we are all different. I've stopped looking for THE bike and just accept that I have bikes I like for now, but that I might change in the future. But having been through quite a few bikes, I seem now to be a lot better at selecting bikes that satisfy for the longer term, like my 701.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thank you very much for chiming in Greg, you raise several good points here. I agree that two bikes is the best bet, and as soon as this next adventure bike is in place, I will start saving for an enduro/mx bike to take to the local track. If I kept the 701 for dirt riding, and bought a more street oriented bike for long hauls. What I don’t like the thought of is that if I ride for a month long trip down in Europe on the street oriented bike and come across a trail that I’d really want to explore it would be sad if I had to turn around because of the bike. Yes it’s all about the compromise, but because of thoughts like that I find myself thinking about one bike to do it all with. Regarding the journey you are spot on. I have a lot of fun doing this and reporting about my findings and people seem to get engaged which is really cool. The only downside is that it’s not cheap to mod and change bikes, but I’m having a lot of fun and learning a lot.

[@forestmotoadventures]

I own a 2021 AT AS ES DCT-I love it! I am looking to upgrade my CRF 250L to a 701LR. I have tons of trails in the nearby national forest. Can’t comfortably take the 250l on the freeway to get there.

[@johnt.saylor5280]

I'm 65 and I've learned that we all need more than one motorcycle and a trailer. Use the trailer and take both bikes with you.

[@christopherbutler4404]

Johannes it so funny you are posting this now. I just did the the Idaho BDR on my 701 which is basically set up very similar to yours. Rade Garage fairing, I have giant loop bags. The off road was great. I was definitely the most nimble on the trails of all my friends. I could do things they could not but we traveled 500 miles on tarmac to start the BDR and it was painful and I was blown all over the road. There was a huge wind storm on the way home and my friends were able to drive through on their GS’s and 890 Adventure but I had to pull over and literally press against my bike to prevent being blown over. I am most likely going to get the large KTM adventure. I have see what it can do off-road and know its very agile but has the weight and comfort for highway driving. The great thing about the KTM is that is has the spirit of a motorbike more than something like a GS. Best of luck to you. I hope you find what you are looking for. Thanks for the post.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for sharing Christopher. Your BDR trip sounds exactly like my TET trip. Had a blast on the trails, but riding home on the highway I was completely broken when I got home. Talked to the other guys with the same amount of road to get home and they were in total comfort. Thanks 🙂

[@MrEtnorb]

Refreshing to see such honesty. I’m the same, if I want something I want it yesterday. Last year I wanted a road oriented dual purpose bike which can carry a pillion and bought a 2nd hand Vstrom 1000. After a couple of rides I realised that it’s far too heavy for my liking and too tall geared. Also I wasn’t taken by the styling so I decided to sell it. For me,low weight is the NO 1,2 and 3 issue and it has to feel like a dirt bike. So a KTM 690 is now in the garage with all the associated accessorising. One day I might decide it isn’t the way to go and it will go too. I still have my modified 500, which is the best registered dirt bike ever made. So don’t be so hard on yourself, do what feels right at the time and remember a bike is a lifeless lump of metal/plastic and can be sold whenever, unlike our pets or children. As you said, life is too short to stick with a bike if another priority comes to the surface. We look forward to your journey.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thank you for commenting, I’m happy to hear I’m at least making some sense. Thanks a lot for your support as well 🙂

[@ppshouse]

I'm your shape guy and am very happy with my 1290 SA! I also own a CRF300L. Yes, the SA is like a tank, but I can lift it up by myself and the world is too big to limit yourself close to home.

[@urbanadventurer5]

I have reached similar conclusions and completely understand. Variety is the spice of life as they say. You clearly work hard Johannes and riding is your primary passion that helps you balance out the challenges most of us face in the modern world. I say get the bike that excites you and fits your evolving tastes and needs based on your development and experience. Looking forward to seeing where the journey takes you. 👍🏾 For me, that may be the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC over both a dual sport and pure ADV much to my surprise, but interests have changed with experience.

[@ChuanMOTOVLOG]

I owned a KTM 690 Enduro R and a vstrom 1000 , when I got the KTM , I'm selling the v strom , but after riding for a while I realize I still need the v strom for long journey travel,so I decided to keep it. Hope you'll get your unicorn , norden 901 seems like tick every boxes for your need , happy riding and take care .

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hey there Chuan, thanks for sharing! The Norden is a great bike, it will be an interesting experience going through all possible bikes and test riding them. Happy riding to you too 🙂

[@ChuanMOTOVLOG]

@@JohannesDalenMC your 701 really looks great, the challenges in asean for owning 690/701 platform is we need to buy accessories from Europe,ending up paying more due to shipping cost and tax 🤣, thanks for sharing a lot of useful video about the 701 sir .

[@BlackdogADV]

I have the 701 and also the BMW 1200GS. I took my wife with me to Tuktoyaktuk on the Arctic Ocean 4 years ago. On the GS of course with camping and cooking gear plus cloths and personal belongings. Camping off the bike for 2 is hard and packing is difficult but we did it. Had a wonderful time. I’m not sure why you don’t consider the GS. I’ve been using the 701 more now as I ride solo most of the time. I’m 73 and my next bike will be a mid weight, most likely a 901 or the T7 World Raid.

[@jfcuylits1759]

Funny, I have the same combo: 701 and GS 1250. Both are fantastic but I find that the GS is near as capable than the 701 in off-road while the 701 is a bit more funny off-road. Anyway I will sell my 701 and buy a 890R. I guess it will be as funny as the 701 in off-road even if it is quite heavier. If the 890R is near as comfortable than the GS on road, I will sell the GS also and will enjoy the 890R everywhere every time (I hope …🙏🏻). I use to have all other sexy trails: GSA 1150, KTM 950, GS 1200, GSA 1200, AT 1000, Triumph 1200 XE, T7. I’m still searching for the perfect bike.

[@MichaelShaw206]

I really appreciate your responses to comments. You have been extremely giving and insightful, and those that follow your channel seem like-minded - OFFroad-OFFcourse for example. He's another favorite KZbinr that I really enjoy because, like you, I feel he's sincere regarding his content. Both of you on a bike adventure would be must-watch content. I have already commented earlier so no need to respond - I just want to support your channel as best I can.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thank you very much Michael, your kind words put a huge smile on my face this morning! I agree with your opinion of Diogo at Offroad-offcourse, seems like a very nice and knowledgeable guy. If all goes according to plan you might just see us both in the same video this coming winter 😊 thank you very much for your support, it means the world to me.

[@BAARDREIL]

I've had a GSA for years. Got really stuck in the swamp a long way out a few times. So I bought 2020 Husky LR, and modified it to a "rally" bike. Couldn't be happier; a full 100 kg lighter than the Beemer. And even more capable. Don't sell your 701; work additional nightshifts, sell whatever from your attic or basement, and buy another bike if you want. But keep the Husky!

[@Brad-RB]

I owned an R1200GS and thought it was a fantastic road bike but it was intimidating for me to take it off-road. In 2020 I bought a 701 and tricked it out like yours. 7500 miles later I built up my confidence riding off-road. Now I bought an R1250GS and set it up for 50/50 riding and couldn't be happier. The 701 was the stepping stone I needed to build my off-road confidence. The big GS is no 701 off-road but I can take it 80% of the places that I ride my 701 and the GS is not as tiring to ride. Now, like you, I think the 701 is going to be up for sale.

[@scottmilburn1773]

In AZ, lot's of dirt 30 mins or less. Always rode dirt then I got the '19 FE450, GAVE me a taste of the road and I wanted more. 2020 I managed to get 1 of very few 701 LR's in AZ. I uncorked it with a arrow titanium full exhaust, computer upgrade got rid of the bulky intake. Super fast. Added Nomad ADV lightweight luggage rack very strong and engine guard and every other guard I could add pretty much, Bark Busters of course. Kutvek custom graphics all I could find available for the 701lr very nice. Scott stabilizer. For me one of the first things was get rid of the Enduro tires. But the real deal sealer is I found a Madstad windshield and bracket assembly that works great it's removable when I'm on the trails and it's totally adjustable. Gets my head completely out of the Wind along with the rest of my body I feel like I'm on a couch when I'm riding down the highway now, it's awesome. Of course I added the Comfort XL Seat Concepts seat, must have. I also have recluse clutches on both my bikes my numb left hand loves it. 30 Mi of single tracking with the 701LR while back. 120 mph down the highway it's an amazing bike but it's a pig when you have to pick it up, nothing like the bigger bikes though full of gas it's still only weighs 380 lb. I don't want to get rid of either one of them 5' 10" 175 lb, I pretty much always have extra gas for anybody that might run out LOL 6.6 gallons. This bike is truly set up for touring with the interest of serious off-roading when you get there. It just eats the bumps up

[@Franz_Schmid]

Hey guys, Hey Johannes. Thanks for the video and your experiences! I've got a massive Africa Twin 1000 L Adventure Sports with a shit load of uggrades on it. I am thinking of selling it, because before I had so much time to ride + had no car and it was my daily use. I could ride 3 mountain passes after work, without any stress. Now I live somewhere else, not beside the mountain passes anymore, I enjoy offroad the most, riding TET all the time I go. But when it gets very technically and steep, it's of course to heavy. I am the guy who brings all his camping gear and sleeps outside, doing a fire and living my life. Now I wanted to change to a 701 with RADE or even Auroa Rally build, but I am not sure, if I will miss the long driving distance comfort of my Africa Twin. I have massive butt hurtings, even from that bike! I just send it to a guy which made the seat complete new with more comfort. So I am unsure if I not just would die, riding a 701 for 2 hours. 😅 And I will lose so much money, if I would sell the Africa Twin, cause it's got 60.000 km on it (did that in 3 years). But everyone knows, that it's nothing with a Honda. So what do you think should I do? Anyone here, what can you recommend? I can either buy a 701 used, with 50.000 km for a cheaper price (6000 Euro) or some other 701 with less km for almost the same price and have a second, smaller bike. Or I upgrade my Africa Twin with a complete new Öhlins suspension, optimized for me, my weight, my needs, for offroad. Then I would put a new muffler on, which looks like the rally ones and take the Reckless 80 Mosko Moto instead of the 120 L with racks! But I am so unsure what to go. It's a one of a kind Africa Twin, 30 years Africa Twin edition with the special three colour's. I am very big, I need comfort. But with all the Outback Motortek crash bars and luggage system on it, with 15 kgs off gear, I get to around 280 kg! That's so massive.

[@raywoo1]

I was in your same situation with my 701LR….. I then bought a 890Adventure R! Couldn’t be happier !

[@JohannesDalenMC]

890r is a great bike, thanks for chiming in Raymund, happy to hear you are happy 🙂

[@biscuitsalive]

I sold my T7, simply because of weight. It was hindering my freedom. It would make me doubt what I could take on. Comfort vs freedom. Choose freedom.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Interesting comment - where do you live? That’s the same reason I sold my T7 a year ago, but ever since I sold it I have not once come across a road or obstacle that I wouldn’t be able to cross on a T7. That tells me that the trails I usually ride on doesn’t require a bike this light. But I definitely agree with your comment, a lighter bike gives more freedom. Thanks for chiming in!

[@2wheels.are.better.than4]

Finding the right motorcycle(s) is a journey. Thanks for taking us on yours. I started on an Africa Twin. It was too heavy so I sold it and bought a CRF300L, which I love, but I very quickly regretted parting with the Africa Twin. Eight months after I sold the Africa Twin, I bought another one and it feels so good to have again. The CRF300L and Africa Twin is a great combination for me.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for sharing Rob, those two bikes sure make a great couple. Which AT model do you have?

[@2wheels.are.better.than4]

@@JohannesDalenMC First was a 2019 Adventure Sports; the one I have now is a 2017 standard. I prefer the standard because it is a little lighter and narrower. The Adventure Sports might suit your needs better. They really are quite capable off road, as far as big ADV bikes go.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks. I test rode the AS a few months ago and found it very wide and big. I think the standard version is a better choice. Will go and test ride it in the coming days.

[@2wheels.are.better.than4]

@@JohannesDalenMC you can get a used AT for the same or less than a new T7, at least here in the USA. Also, they are actually available 😂

[@everydaybiker]

The answer is always, get more bikes. It's a shame when you're not able to keep bikes. Well done sir

[@adventuresahead2614]

Buy yourself a van where you also can sleep and load the 701. Then your family can go with you on travels. Family vacation and bike riding at the same time. Or maybe a trailer? I have the 690 and 1 hour to gravel but I load it on the trailer 👍🏻

[@Yourfriendwasmagnificent]

I've had over 10 bikes during my life and don't regret it at all. It's all about the journey of getting to know each one, its strengths and weaknesses. Do what is right for you and we'll all follow you on your next journey 🙂

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Appreciate that my friend 🙂

[@danarussell4246]

I'm fortunate to be an old man (66 next month) and have 3 bikes and all have seen dirt some more than others. I ride my KTM 350 EXC-F strictly at sanctioned offroad events. I have a Honda XR650L which I cruise around the back roads on and will do some exploring on. I just rode a Dual Sport/Adventure ride Sunday which was 150 miles of all 2 track dirt, gravel and blacktop roads. Just because I have no real place to ride offroad like you (unless I enter events for that purpose) I also have a BMW R1200GSA. Mainly all blacktop roads but I will go down any of the gravel or dirt roads I see. I run 90/10 tires which aren't ideal for offroad but I'm not crazy with the throttle hand. I've been riding offroad since I was 17. I bought the XR650L in 2016 which was my first time riding blacktop. Started doing longer rides and wife mentioned going so I bought the GSA. Absolutely love this bike, its just so fun to ride and comfortable. BTW I still don't consider myself a street bike rider because I have a fear of getting hit by a car. I only have about 1 mile of any real traffic before I'm out in the country just sight seeing and doing what I love. I've been contemplating buying a Gas Gas ES700 for some sanctioned Adventure rides. I'd have to sell the XR650L which I really don't want to do because it is so easy to maintain. Valve checks are so easy and I can do that myself. The XR is so darn dependable and wears like iron. I'm almost at 15,000 miles with zero problems except brakes, tires and I finally put new spockets and a chain on her. Just put gas in her and ride. Good luck with what ever decision you make. Hopefully one day you can add more bikes to your stable. It only took me over 42 years to have 2 bikes at one time and now 3.

[@jchaverri]

Based on what you're looking probably Africa Twin will be at the very top of my list. Depending on the model you might want to upgrade your suspension springs for your weight, specially if you're riding with a passenger. Take it from a guy slightly heavier than you. Getting the right springs for my bike was a game changer (although mine is not an Africa Twin, but I've ridden them)

[@joephoto1353]

This process happens to all of us. Totally get your dilemma. I went to a solid street bike and a KLX300DS for dirt. But I can put the KLX300 in my RV Garage. I have a Class C motorhome I can take to places. I would love to ride to the dirt on something like a T7 or KTM790 or 1250GS, but it's really just a big compromise any way you go.

[@nomadhabit]

Haha we all know the struggle, for you I'd say get a 500exc for the local trail and a bigger one for longer trips, AT or 890R is ur jam, check out my Austrian homeboy Joe Pichler, he is travelling with his wife all over the world, also a Ktm Ambassador, he has some of his movies here on youtube aswell! Next year we will get a new Transalp from Honda btw (fingers crossed🤞🏼)...could be a game changer if they make it really cool!

[@kribaska]

haha, this sounds like me. I've had 4 bikes in the last 3 years. I went from a Triumph scrambler 1200 to a bmw xr900 to ktm 790 adv S to ktm 690 enduro R. All great bikes but I miss the scrambler the most, that engine was engine was something else, but it was hard to fit any luggage on it and bad wind protection. I am happy with the ktm 690 FOR NOW :) If you want good wind protection, I recommend the givi airflow screens. They aren't pretty but you can ride on the highway with open visor. I had it on the ktm 790 adv

[@orical2832]

All u need is a set of supermoto wheels... Use the SM setup for daily riding and commuting, then switch to your off-road tyres for trips. Makes a world of difference.

[@parsnipracing7473]

Hey Johannes I totally understand your predicament. The 701 is capable on tarmac and highway but definitely not the weapon of choice. I've ridden the current AT and the ktm. The Ktm is an absolute animal, amazing on the road and crazy power, would be great for two up touring but I feel it would be a real handful off road, to much power and too top heavy. Super capable yes, but I reckon it would be pretty stressful when things get tricky. I definitely advise you not to write off the GSA, for your use case and as a big guy who potentially wants to take you're good lady on the back, there isn't much out there that does it better. I test rode one with my friend a few years back and my expectations were completely blown away.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for chiming in my friend. How did you find the current AT? Interesting what you say about the KTM, it’s truly a beast. It’s a bit more pricey as well. I will test ride the GS when I get the chance, a lot of people have recommended it. Can absolutely imagine it’s fantastic!

[@parsnipracing7473]

@@JohannesDalenMC AT I tried was a new model from last year with dct. It was nice, refined, comfy etc etc but to be quite honest I found it a little vanilla, not a great deal of character to it.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Okay thanks. I can imagine pretty much no bike besides the 1290R will feel vanilla compared to the 701 😁

[@pulgiordan]

Hi Johannes, my name is Pul and I absolutely understand you, we all sail in the same sea :) I am 54 years old and have a life spent on motorcycles, I currently have an africa twin 1000 and a beta 350 rr. Having a unique bike is possible by accepting the inevitable compromises. The T7 lends itself to upgrades that allow great performance in off-road, I post the link about it. The best choice for your use may be the ktm 890 adventure r. Hello and good road

[@sedman5179]

For me it’s all about the unique individual experience and knowledge each bike offers. Just make sure you get the best deal and it’s all smiles from then on…

[@howlinhog]

I sold my 690 for somewhat similar reasons. I put a seat concepts seat on it and still, my groin area would fall asleep after 30 minutes of highway riding due to the narrow seat and resulting pinch point. I also wanted cruise control and wind screen with some sort of power pod along with the windscreen. When I added up the cost, I realized I should have bought the 890 instead. It was at that same time that I discovered the 901 which hadn't been released in the states yet, but I was able to put a deposit at my local dealer. I now am just under 2000 miles with zero regrets. I thought the extra weight would be an issue on the trails but it's actually negligible and any minuses in that regard are far outweighed by the capabilities on the street. The Norden is an awesome bike! I highly suggest the paltry extra $200 for explorer mode. I was very surprised by the significant change to throttle response in rally mode and slip control is adjustable on the fly with the easily accessed up and down arrow. I can't give a balanced opinion on the different levels of slip control because I just had the software installed last weekend. The 690 is an awesome bike, but if you have to travel very far on it to get to the trails, get the KTM890 or the Norden901. I personally think KTM makes the ugliest bikes on wheels but that's purely subjective and worthless input.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

The 890/901 are both very interesting bikes, and they are on my radar. The 890r is probably the craziest bike I’ve ever ridden. Time will tell which bike I ultimately end up on, thanks for chiming in with your experience.

[@Lanzy4lee]

Keep the 701 mate I’ve got a 690 enduro and hang been down your road before I got this . The 701 690 is the best compromise you will ever get . A heavy bike off road is no fun if your not confident the 690 is worth a little discomfort . I lifted the bars so I could stand on the pegs over long distances this really helps also I assume you go a seat concepts, the more confident you get the more you will drift towards the 701 you’ve had the t7 so you’ve been in that direction

[@700hurricane]

I completely understand where you are coming from I bought a brand new DRZ for commuting mostly for economic reason, I chose it over other dual sport and small bore sport bikes. I wanted the DRZ for the torque advantage over other bikes. To make a long story short I end up buying a used FZ-6 and it was the right bike for what I needed. Fast forward about 5 years down the road I found myself in Honduras and again with a DRZ and the FZ-6. Once on pavement the FZ was far superior even for the short commute, but during rainy season dirt section would be so rough it took too long of the FZ so it became mostly a touring bike. This is about the same time the T7 was released and I figured this was going to be my perfect machine and kept waiting for them to show up in dealers. After some deeper thinking I realized the Super Tenere was actually the ideal bike and could be had used in Honduras. With all the dirt roads chain maintenance is an issue plus most of my long distance riding was done 2 up it made the best choice. I realize there are better big bore bike out there, but Yamaha is the the only one with good dealer support in Honduras and also it easily the most reliable big bore bike on the market. I really loved doing trips on that bike it is super comfortable, handles well and was off-road capable enough for me. Fast forward to today living back in the US I would likely buy a Triumph Tiger Rally or Rally Pro. Probably not quite as comfortable as the Super Tenere especially 2 up but I think it splits the difference between on and off road better and is much lighter than the Tenere. If you want something more off-road I would recommend the Africa Twin or more on road focused I would have the say Super Tenere or Tiger 1200. I am not a fan of the BMW GS.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Interesting story, thanks a lot for sharing. There’s so many grear bikes to choose from, I guess the most important thing right now is to find out where I am willing to compromise. Compromising on dirt capability is not what I want, as that is the most fun and I’m already giving up a lot going from a 701. I have a lot to think about and time will tell what I end up with. Have a great day!

[@christianmouraux7269]

Hi Joannes, like many of us you’re on a journey to find the perfect do-it all bike, but I’m afraid that just does not exist 😀 It will always be a compromise... from my perspective, you need more than one bike, and perhaps go for cheaper ones, but the ones that are really specialized for their expected job. Anyway, thank you for sharing your experience

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi there Christian! You are right, there’s no one bike that can do it all. I’ve come to that conclusion too 😬 Thanks for following along my friend.

[@חייםמגריסו]

Johannes we all must be happy and connect to our motorcycle! The decision to sell the 701 will guaid you to be more adventure rider. That will be by move easy way from point to point.it will increase yor safe in the public roads while you will ride it. It will give you peaceful using the roads and the dirt on the best motorcycle for that. Wish you the best in the process of the chose the one for your size!!

[@Braapncamp]

You have definitely valid arguments. Even me that mostly ride on gravel and forest tracks got me a Twin cylinder. More room on the bike, handles my weight and packing better. This without significantly reduce the capability for where we legaly can ride. It works great even where we are not allowed to ride... when I got me a sweet middleweight i thoughtvthat i should ride more mature and so, that only happened to some extent. I'm really happy. You journey, preferences, changed preferences and riding circumstances are Yours. Let the ADV continue!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for chiming in Mattias. Now that you’ve ridden the TET in Norway, you’ve seen how much tarmac there is to cover here. I think a twin makes more sense now. The ADV will definitely continue 🙂

[@gbner9991]

I basically went trough the same experience. Had T7, bought a used 690, sold it again soon after. I still have my T7 and I am now more happy with it than before. All bikes are compromises so I guess it's just best to settle on something and enjoy it. I realized very quickly that the 690 would not work for me, because as you said, it made me dread any kind of distance riding. I did not want to take it on any longer trip because of that and that's the main point of what I want to do with a bike. Before I hated the top heavyness and weight of the T7, now I just like it for what it is, a reasonably comfortable touring bike that still has a good offroad performance. Still not a blind fanboy for it but I never was for any bike I had. As I said in the last video I did not have enough offroad near my house either for the 690 to make sense in my opinion, which is why I sold it, even though I loved how extremely light it felt. My next plan for it is convert the T7 to tubeless. I would have loved if it was that way from the factory.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for sharing your story. I share the same thoughts about the T7. Stay tuned for the next video, you might be in for a little surprise 🙂

[@gbner9991]

@@JohannesDalenMC interesting... I am excited to see what's coming :)

[@andrewstambaugh8030]

You might want to consider a DR650. They are very low center of gravity and right between the DRZ and KLR in weight, a really nice sweet spot. I wish they made a modern street engine in that frame instead of the taller heavier top heavy KLR...

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for the suggestion Andrew. I haven’t ridden the DR650, but I struggle to see why a DR650 would be better than a 701 if a 701 is too dirt oriented? The DR650 is probably a more relaxed ride, but weight is similar and both engines are thumpers. Am I missing something? 🙂

[@andrewstambaugh8030]

@@JohannesDalenMC Yes, you are: DR650 = low center ~365lbs Tenere = high center ~450lbs So your missing about a 100lbs up high! ...That puts it in the weight class of a klx250, a nice trail-focused dual sport, but the DR is a much more capable bike that feels far lighter than it actually is. And a used one here can be had for $3,500-4,500, so no $10k+ risks on buying.

[@billstadelman4420]

One of my favorite quotes is by Martin Hackworth, the Creator of the Tour of Idaho - "Life’s short and you’re dead a long time” . Truer words were never spoken.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

A bit dark, but 100% accurate, Bill! Life is too short to dwell over things, try, fail, learn and go again 😊

[@nathal]

As an Aprilia Tuareg single bike owner and offroad beginner, your journey has shown me that it's a good idea to get some lightweight machine like the CRF300 in addition. I really like the Tuareg, but there are other options for getting more off-road riding experience that I'm becoming convinced make sense. Thank you for your helpful content, sir.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi there Nath, thanks a lot for your kind words. You are absolutely right, I started at the deep end of the pool on the T7. Selling that and riding a dual sport for a year made me learn the basics much faster on an appropriate bike. Now that I’ve moved on from being an absolute beginner, I would like to try a bigger bike for offroad riding. We’ll see where this move takes me, and I’m sure going to keep sharing my experiences along the way. Thanks for your support!

[@Motofishin]

I really had my eye on the T7 for my next bike. I own and ride an MT07 and thought it would be a good way to get into the dirt After seeing your video and realizing I had no dirt experience I decided on the CRF300L to learn on. My plan is to ride that until I gain confidence and then re-look at the T7 in a few years. Maybe turning the 300 into a super moto

[@JohannesDalenMC]

The number one thing I’ve learned from this little journey of mine is that it’s so much better to start on a smaller, more forgiving bike when it comes to offroad riding. Yes that’s a bit obvious, but when I got into offroad riding I didn’t know that, and it wasn’t a lot of focus on that either. I saw people throwing T7s around like a dirt bike, so I thought that was possible for me too. Happy to hear you started on a 300L and moving on from there, instead of the other way around. Good luck and ride safe Dan!

[@jeffloucks2120]

Great approach and combo. I'm considering a 300L to go with my T7.

[@212driller]

Lots of us in similar situations. In the end 1 off road and one adv bike is the solution but I don't have cash or space for that. I currently have a cb500x rally raid level 2 and I think it is a perfect do it all. Fun and comfortable on road, and capable to do moderate off road.

[@tubeme4vr]

Well done video. Same situation for me here. I am not selling the 990 instead spending money on it to make it better off road and worse on road

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thank you Luca 🙂

[@cliftonsr]

I got the 2022 1290 Super Adventure R and it will go about anywhere at the same time do some serious mile munching on the tarmac and no problem with taking a passenger because I take my children for some riding and they want the ride to be endless and it is also the most capable off-road adventure bike in it's class. I got heated seats and hand grips not hard to install to do it yourself and they work perfectly my children have to have the pillion seat turned down so on a cold day your wife will love that but go easy on the throttle with this 160 HP beast or get the Touratech top case with the padded back rest for her and go traveling or should I say adventuring! Awesome videos you have Johannes!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thank you Clifton! The 1290SAR ended up being too expensive, so I bought another T7 - but, the bike that I would have gotten if money wasn’t an issue, is the 1290. Such a crazy bike! And I’m very happy that you and your kids are happy with yours 😊

[@cliftonsr]

@@JohannesDalenMC You did great Johannes, because that T-7 set the standards what a most reliable middle weight adventure bike should really be.

[@ChristophLeitl]

I am from Austria and own a KTM 690 Enduro. TET Slovenia and Hungary is a few hundred kilometres. I ended up buying a KTM 990 Adventure, works best for me. Handels big rocks and motorways alike. T700 is a good bike, but boring, and adventure riding is supposed to be fun. Also, wind protection is good. Suspension on 990 is adjustable and awesome.

[@ChristophLeitl]

I now own 3 bikes ;-) old XRV750 Africa Twin for winter use.

[@lukasbedrnik3423]

Go for 2 bikes (light adventure and road oriented heavy adventure) and get ys a trailer for transport.

[@jamesfairmind2247]

Johannes, it is a problem that all of us face. I just do hope that you test ride the alternatives first before selling because now on my third 690, I find most bikes including the T7 sluggish in comparison and lacking in suspension refinement and braking due not so much to the 690 brakes but lack of weight which brings the bike up really sharp. The 690/701 is the razor sharp Ferrari of dual sports in all departments in comparison to most bikes out there. It is a second and a half quicker to 100km than my Triumph 1200 speed twin for example. For pure highway use it is of course more tiresome than something like a Tiger 900, which you should try because strangely, it is much easier to lift after a drop than a T7 and probably has the best wind protection of any adventure bike made. That said I have made many long trips on the 690's including New York to Miami and the 7,500 mile TAT, and I would not personally pick any other bike for going RTW. To me as a 6'2' tall guy with long legs, the ergos on a bike are more essential than other aspects of comfort and the 690/701 have exceptional ergos (whereas I found the T7 uncomfortable because the clutch cover constantly got in the way of my boot and that causes you to twist your body which after a while causes spinal problems). But if your bike use is 80 per cent highway then OK, maybe getting something like the TIGER 900 would be better. Good luck.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for sharing James. I agree with your take on the 690/701, a complete beast of a motorcycle, and there’s a reason why Lyndon Poskitt went with this platform to travel around the world. I will try to ride as many bikes as possible, and continue my research. Thank you!

[@4ndr8]

Welcome back to T7 community. Bigger bike might need some more time and dedication to develope. T7 is trail capable if you have the will.

[@craighellwege5330]

I hear you mate, having a similar internal conversation re: changing needs and what suits those diverse requirements. I'm lucky to have 2 bikes, but neither are good options for 2 up touring, and that's a big thing I'm looking for now. One's an on-road biased bike, the other is a dual sport. Thinking seriously at replacing both with either a Tiger 900 variant (i.e. Rally) or a F850GS.

[@MaramuresDualSport]

The eternal search for the mythical "unicorn". I was in the same exact spot as you are, but i've accepted the reality earlier and much straighter. I've entered the "adventure" scene in 2015 and got myself an 2011 XT660Z Tenere, which was a great entry level bike to get used to riding offroad on gravel and dirt roads, but also for touring 2 up on secondary roads in the countryside or even abroad, which i've done lots of time, despite low power and monocylinder engine. Time passed and in 5 years i've gotten almost 60k km on it and it was time to move on so i got a 2016 Africa Twin which is a superb piece of machine...wish i've gotten it a couple of years sooner :)). Great for dirt roads and touring, dedicated traction control and abs buttons and you can easily tune the suspension for when you travel 2up and luggage. Here in Romania, i'm in the same spot as you are: if i have to go to a gathering with the guys somewhere in the country, i have to first travel on tarmac for 400-500km to do a 100-150km offroad track and than come back home...so for 150km of offroad i have o do a total of 1000km touring...the answer is in front of your eyes... If you can't afford 2 bikes, than you have to go with what you consider to be the best compromise for you, but for 90% on road and even touring 2up...you have to choose a bike that has good power, good brakes and comfortable...but that won't be a light bike :). You just have to accept that and thus pick your tracks where you and the bike will feel good...end of story...you just can't have'em all with one bike.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for commenting. You summarize my situation well. Get a bike for the riding you do instead of the riding you wish you did basically 🙂 The AT is an interesting bike that ticks a lot of the boxes for sure!

[@papawhisky2935]

I often face a dilemma of the riding I want to do vs the riding I actually do. 90% of my riding is tarmac due to UK not having any trails. Big adventure bikes are the only choice for me due to only having one bike and using it for commuting year round. Good luck to you Johannes on your search for the unicorn.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Exactly. I find it can be a bit hard being ‘honest’ with oneself too. Easy to pick the bike that gets the heart pumping when it might be the wrong bike for how you actually ride, or skill level. Thank you 🙂

[@ferkuzuel]

I am totally with you, My 690 is my dirt bike and my f800gs is my long distance touring bike, for me a very important factor when choosing a bike is that it has to have a good low center of gravity so wether am maneuvering on dirt road or fully loaded around a petrol station that l low center of gravity always makes life easier, Cheers 🏍️

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Happy it makes some sense, thanks for chiming in. Two bikes seem to be the way to go. We’ll see what happens 🙂

[@orpaztron]

hi Johannes, I sold my 701 back to the dealer because he was unable to fix a fuel / engine failure for 3 months. Looking back, I had a lot of fun with the 701 while off road (didn't like the highways too) but as a fairly beginner rider I think the 701 is suitable for very experienced enduro rider who is always ride at a high pace. For relaxed trail rides this bike is overkill- suspensions, HP and electronics. If I had to choose a large ADV machine I would choose a used 790 or a new 890 because they provide much more value than the T7 like riding with my wife.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi, shame to hear about your 701. But I do agree with you regarding the 701, it's very capable and is not really made for a relaxed sunday trail ride.

[@paolomarani5487]

I had exactly your needs and after the same evaluations (T700, 890R, 901) I found in Tuareg 660 the best compromise for me. Really give you the chance to test the tuareg ;-)

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for sharing Paolo! My local dealer actually got a Tuareg and it looks and feels like a sweet bike - Carries it’s weight nicely.

[@MichaelShaw206]

@@JohannesDalenMC I have really enjoyed your videos. I was torn between a 701/690 and the T7 and tried to by both, but the current market made the decision for me by dropping a Tuareg 660 into my lap. I couldn't find the other bikes - no inventory in my area - but was able to buy a Tuareg fairly easily from a local dealer. I've ridden a WR250R for a while and have always felt more comfortable in dirt than on the road so my learning curve was different. I will try to find a dual sport with about 450 cc's next year, but I am really enjoying the Tuareg. It carries its weight lower than the T7 (so I'm told), has tubeless tires and cruise control. I find that today's luxuries become tomorrow's necessities and it will be hard going back to dual sport for long road miles. Good luck on your journey! We grow and our needs change. Still, a light weight 450 cc twin would be nice, even a Honda CRF450 with the 300 Rally's maintenance schedule would be glorious.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

I appreciate your kind words Michael! I sat on the Tuareg the other day, and I couldn’t believe how light it felt. I’ll try to get a test ride. The more I think about it the more I look at the middleweight adv bikes as I’m afraid the biggest ones are too much for the kind of offroad riding that I enjoy. Time will tell. Thanks for chiming in!

[@jfcuylits1759]

I tried the Tuareg and found that it roasted my legs

[@alinn.4341]

I loved the idea of a Triumph Tiger(that 3 cylinder engine/sound and agressive stance), but where I live its full of trails and I really really want to stay out of the tarmac as much as possible. Don't trust the other drivers. I figured that with a tiger I'd just stay on the road all day :). have fun!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

The Tiger 900 is definitely a bike that I’ll be taking a closer look at! If I had trails everywhere I’d be on an even lighter bike than the 701, but that’s unfortunately not the case. Thanks for your comment 🙂

[@kuhndj67]

You can ride virtually anything offroad so pick the ride that works for you. I came from the heavyweight ADV class to an ADV modified 701... and I'd never go back to the heavyweight class for offroad biased riding (my TAT ride starts next Thrusday). BUT... I didn't sell my Multistrada when I bought the 701 and I ride both about the same amount for touring (just depends on what kind of touring it'll be). Out in Colorado last year we ran across all sorts of bikes... and you could accurately predict their speed just by looking at them, the dirt bikes would be flying, the middleweight bikes like the 701 would be slower but still moving along... the heavyweight bikes would be slow (not many heavyweights on the passes though). This mirrors my experience, I'm fastest offroad on a light bike, slowest on a heavy one. Also at altitude when something does go wrong I'd much rather be on a lighter bike (picking up even the 701 can be tough at over 12000 feet)

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Good summary David, and I agree with you that any bike can be ridden offroad. Especially here in Europe where most of the TETs aren’t that difficult. I guess it comes down to fun factor and practicality with the lighter bikes. They are easier to ride, easier to ride fast, and easier to pick up.

[@topomoto]

Hi Johannes, I am one of those who were inspired by you and your "bike build" series to choose a 701. I have had 1290R and 890R before and I am delighted with the choice, so thank you! Now, given your needs, I definitely recommend the 1290R. For traveling, especially for a tall guy as you are, it is much better than medium adventure (890, T7, etc.) and off-road is just as good, if not better.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi there friend, that makes me so happy to hear! Interesting information, I really like the 1290R, but it might be a bit too expensive. I came across another heavy adventure bike deal that I might just have sealed - time will tell 😁 Thank you for following along!

[@jfcuylits1759]

1290R is as good or maybe better off-road than 890R?

[@topomoto]

@@jfcuylits1759 in my experience the 1290 R is better. The 890 R has advantages in technical roads, if the rider is as good as Chris Birch :-)

[@urbanadventurer5]

I like that Honda Africa Twin idea a lot. Sounds like a good fit.

[@MrJasonmay69]

Hey Johannes, you're not the first rider to make a bike purchase based on aspiration rather than actual usage. A guy i know bought a Panigale because he wanted to slay the track on weekends, but he has a 3hr commute during the week with lots of traffic. He loves the bike (who wouldn't) but he said it is so uncomfortable at low speeds and stop/start traffic, and it just makes him tired. I planned to sell my humble, unassuming lttle TransAlp for a larger, more off-road capable ADV so i could do a staged tour of Australia, but over the last 3yrs with CoVid lockdowns and tightening economic conditions my needs have changed alot. My bike has become my daily, and at the moment I spend all my time in the saddle commuting to work, riding local trails and just getting around. The staged trip remains an aspiration as does the bigger, badder ADV purchase. I'm glad now that i kept my TA, which owes me nothing and meets my current needs very well. So, don't feel bad - needs change, priorities change, families grow up and time becomes a more precious commodity. I've learned to just appreciate being on my bike everyday no matter the purpose of the trip. I hope this helps. I'm sorry it's so long 😁👍

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi Jase, thanks a lot for your comment. Bought a bike based on aspiration rather than actual usage, that’s a nice summary of my situation. I have used my bike as I intended this riding season and it has worked well, but it is getting clear to me that the bikes lack of highway comfort makes me avoid doing trips that I want. Your TA sounds like a lovely bike 🙂

[@Rdissss]

I have changed bikes alot(15 bikes since 2012), just like you I get an idea and then i make it happen. Always chasing the unicorn. Something Im starting to learn is that i could have easily have had 3 bikes if i had just kept the ones i really liked, that is because of all the money you spend on "farkling/modding out a bike". I could have easily bought a bandit 1250 or a ktm 990 smt(and kept my old 701 that I really liked) that i have had previously and really liked for the money i spent on farkling out the tenere 700 and my new 701. But i think it is good to change bikes, i dont understand ppl who buy a bike and have it for 15 years just because they dont want to change bikes.

[@bzrider29]

This is why the gs has always been a riders long term bike. The best all around bike I ever built and traveled on. My gs was pretty much perfect

[@LetsrideJ]

xt1200z Super Tenere come to the big side you can do long distance on pavement and can blast offroad as well. Has the tech goodies like abs/cruise/linked brakes so long trips are a not a problem. has the design so the motor sits nice and low to not feel top heavy while moving. Ive done the COBDR and doing the WYBDR (big multiday adv rides in the USA) on mine, riding big takes some practice but once you know how to use the power and picking lines it will take you to lots of places. Also does 2-up with the wife just fine plenty of power, shaft drive so low Maintenace, It's known as a super reliable bike so you won't be left stranded. im 6'3" 108kg

[@arcadegamesify]

I bought a 390 adv as my first bike, 380lb wet still wish I got a proper dual sport. I think twin cylinder adv and single cylinder dual sport is the dream stable and what I hope to replace my 390 with when I have the money.

[@deanguenther3238]

Norden 901 no question, I have owned for over a year and would love to have a 300 or 350 enduro or CRF 300 to compliment, if money no object. I love dirt exploring and yes the Norden has its limits, but it's a great street adventure bike and great on gravel and double trail, and some single trail especially with electronics and comfort!! I have been considering a 701! to be that in between one bike! but everything you mentioned and the overall comfort while riding highway or twisties, stops me from getting the 701. I will just stick with my Norden and be patient to get a light dual sport/enduro when the time comes :)

[@davemanttt]

I feel you... At a certain point I had a KTM 1190 Adventure which I took to Morocco. It could comfortably take the amount of luggage I had with me at the time but I couldn't stop thinking I would have so much more fun on a lighter bike. Result: I bought the KTM 690 Enduro R. In Belgium, at least where I live, there aren't any real fun parts to ride the motorcycle (in my opinion, comparing to other destinations in Europe). Since I only had the room for 1 motorcycle, the lack of "road performance" of the 690 really started to annoy me. After that I bought a Honda Africa Twin 1100 which wasn't a bad motorcycle but wasn't "really good" in anything either. Now I have the 890 Adventure R which I took off roading in the Pyrenees mountains couple of months ago and to be honest, this is the best “compromise” I ever tried. There is no perfect motorcycle but to me, at this point, it comes really close. I bought a manual tire machine so I can change my tires relatively quick from a road to offroad. That way I don’t have to choose a compromise tire. On the bigger / midweight bikes tire choice is so important…

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for sharing David. Interesting to hear that we’ve had a sinimar story and experience. The more I think about it the less I want one of the bigger ADV bikes because I will lose so much offroad capability. The 890R is a fantastic bike and I’m happy it is serving you well!

[@theunheardprophet4315]

I 100% understand you. Maybe try a Tiger 900 Rally (Pro) - its a good compromise between Road and Offroad. It recently showed great results in the Baja Aragon Rally, can comfortably ride with two people on it and has enough road comfort for longer trips. Also, there's still an opportunity for you to keep the 701 if you decide to get a van to move the 701 around in order to get to the trails. But then again, thats something you need to discuss with your wife 😁

[@victorsvensson7781]

Fully understand you Johannes. I went from touring on my 800 GS with my girlfriend to a 701 for shorter fun rides solo. We got a child and I basically realized we won't do touring for a while so switched to a more "fun" bike. My plan is to keep this for a long time and then after some years when our child is able to start come along I will get a 1250 GS/GSA as a complement. As someone else said, we all know you will end up on the big GS eventually ;) it is so well balanced considering the weight and it's capabilities.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

I’m glad I made some sense, and thanks for chiming in Victor. That sounds like a good plan, and I’m sure the GS is a great allrounder. Time will tell which bike I end up on this time 😁 good luck with your 701 and the little one!

[@theosager8087]

I like the idea of the Honda Africa Twin. I plan to purchase one and keep my gas gas 700. It is the perfect solution for all of the problems and limitations you mentioned

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Two bikes is definitely the way to go. I now have a PR7 and a street oriented adventure bike, the two covers all my needs, which I imagine an AT and a 700ES will as well. Happy rides!

[@DJAguitars]

CRF1000L.... brilliant bike, dedicated buttons for traction control and ABS and comfortable for tall riders (I am 6ft6 & 115kg). I have a 2017 and I got the taller seat from the ATAS and put stiffer springs front and rear 👌

[@humoto1]

I was at that point last year. I have kept my fully rallye converted 701 and got a KTM 890 Adv R on top. The 890 needed a few changes as well and is now perfect. So I now got the best of both worlds…

[@JohannesDalenMC]

That’s an interesting combination, highly capable and performing, that’s for sure!

[@humoto1]

…any „liaison kilometres“ are eaten alive - even on offroad biased tires…

[@Darkvisor]

I was thinking about selling the T7 for a 701 and was searching for videos about just this and found your video. But after watching this, I think I will just stick with the T7. You make excellent points and I really love the smooth 2-cylinder on the T7 for longer travels. 701 SM/Enduro is fun but I too, spend more time on tarmac than on trails... I feared I would just miss the T7 if I was about to switch, don't think I will do that now. Thanks for this video Johannes =)

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks a lot for your support my friend. If you spend most of your time on tarmac, and even lighter trails like gravel, the T7 is superior in my experience 😊

[@babar69110]

All is relative. I came from 230 to 185 to 156 to 134 to now 117 kg beta 390rr enduro. 66 old i don't and never cared about comfort, tarmac liaison... Wind in the face, vibes of thumper, light as light. But i couldn't have done it with my past luggages set up. It took me years to go down full set of 4kg, even for long trips. That's the good part of light bikes, each kg is so bad feelinfg that you can't just weight them. ... If I have to go to far destinations needing highways or even motorways, I take my trailer and let car an d trailer on defined basecamp.... On all around trip, I only take super small roads if no trails, but of course, all depends of places you live and go ! My trips are more hard enduro trips. Have good journeys !!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for sharing your story sir, light is definitely right. If I had a trailer I'd too have a much lighter bike and haul it to my destination. Sitting countless of hours on the highway even on a Goldwing is tiring. Ride safe!

[@MrCaptainCrazy]

Two bikes is your answer. I've owned 7 bikes and currently have 3 in the garage. They all do different things.

[@briano5907]

Don't go past the 890. It pulls me, 95kg, and my wife (won't tell you her weight) and a bit of gear, along with no issues. And, off-road, it really the best performing adv I've ever ridden. I got rid of mine, as you did, to go back to a light weight drz and have regretted every day since. Drz is light and fun, but the 890 just did it better. Low centre of gravity, it feels so low, but isn't, and more than enough power to pull two people up the side of a mountain ... and i did exactly that. The big ktm's are a blast, but heavy off-road and don't handle all that well in the ad stuff. Better than most but not as good as the 890. And picking them up, well, you'll need to get back into power lifting just to do so. Good luck choosing but always remember, the bigger it is, the harder it falls, and the harder it is to pick up ... and you'll be doing it a lot.

[@BigDaveTALKS]

What you said in the beginning is exactly why i got the Africa Twin. Being in southern Texas i will have to ride a minimum of 11 hours to get the New Mexico BDR or the middle part of the TAT. The AT is super capable off road and pretty good on road. Sometimes i get carried away and start riding my AT like my dirt bikes🤣. Good luck on choosing the next bike.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

‘Happy’ to hear that I’m not the only one this far away from the trails 😅 The AT ticks a lot of boxes for sure, and I got a pretty sweet deal on a ‘21 model the other day. Stay tuned for what I end up buying 😁 Thank you.

[@BigDaveTALKS]

@@JohannesDalenMC Yeah buddy. I will be waiting.😎👍

[@SmokinZen]

We all have different needs as riders we all live in different types of places. Sometimes reviews don't cover that, but go for what you need. I have regretted selling all the bikes I have had, but you know what, we only have so many bikes we will be able to ride and own before we die. I no longer hold on too tight to my bikes if I move on that's fine because I know I only have so much time, no one knows what tomorrow will bring.

[@asura8236]

You should look into a Dr650, I think it will solve your problem

[@pierrensn]

We all have our own preferences. I moved from Africa to the Netherlands a couple years ago. Been dirt biking since age 13. Had many bikes of all sizes but ended up doing adv rides in Africa on 450's mostly. When I moved here, i had exactly the same thoughts as you and bought a 990S (great suspension) I did a trip to Sweden from NL and the long tar sections were really not nice to ride. Actually it sucked. I now trailer my Rally 501 to Spain, Norway, Sweden. So much nicer to chill in the cage and have the ultimate dirt bike when I'm on the trail. I can cover 1000km with bike on the trailer in 1 day, no problem. I did that on the 990 and I was tired of riding, before I even arrived in Sweden :) For commute, i got a cheap 1981 Yamaha xv750 café racer. 😎 Best of both for me. My wife was not keen on doing long adv rides on the 990. Whichever way I tried, the big, Dakar racer that the 990S is, could never hold a candle compared to the 450's I was used to on dirt, and was uncomfortable when carrying 2 people and luggage. Better to take her camping with the car.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi there Pierre, thanks a lot for sharing. I definitely see the practicality with trailering your bike, and I agree that sitting on the bike for that long to reach places is tiring. For some reason I don’t feel like doing it that way, getting to a destination is a part of the adventure. Perhaps that’s something I’ll do in the future, but right now I want a bike that can do most things. I might be wrong thinking like this, but that’s how I feel right now. Thanks again for chiming in 🙂

[@pierrensn]

@@JohannesDalenMC indeed. Best to just follow your gut feeling 😉

[@allenhuling598]

Found your channel due to the T7 videos and still love the choice for me and what I'm doing with it! Agreed that the T7 is probably not best for the 2-up adventures....I'm thinking that AT might be your best choice, and I know they are quite capable off road until you get to the gnarly single track. Awesome that your wife wants to go!! Cheers, and ride safe!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi Allen! Both the T7 and the AT are bikes that tick many of the boxes, AT a few more for touring and riding with a pillion. I have a lot to think about 😁 ride safe you too!

[@Duken4evr29]

I hear ya with all that road riding. That would get old on your 701. I wish you could hang out with me in Colorado. Colorado is 701/690 country. Ride for half and hour to amazing trails near my house, lots of high country stuff up over 12,000 feet just an hour or so away. I also ride a 300 XC, which I truck to the riding areas. For your use profile an Africa Twin or perhaps an 890 would likely be better. I have a 701 also. My biggest challenge is behaving on the street with the traction control turned off. I like doing wheelies and the 701 makes big long ones all too easy 😆

[@gnarlybadger690]

Dude you need to do what’s right/best for you. You’re a young strong guy you can easily handle an Adventure 200kg beast

[@OmotardOfegante]

got the norden 901...its a pretty amazing bike offroad. altho i am a light rider

[@michaellloyd7940]

I have a Africa Twin and it's a great adventure bike and it's a great road bike, and it's a great off road bike it also has plenty of room for gear and a passenger, and it's quite comfortable for long trips, but it's heavy. The Africa Twin is more than capable of handling many types of off road scenarios, but it's heavy. So I bought a KTM 690 enduro r and it is the most capable dual sport motorcycle I have ever ridden, but for long road trips it's not so great, but I didn't buy it for long road trips that's what the Africa Twin is for. I live it the USA in Oregon and unlike were you live I don't have to travel as far to find areas to ride off road. With that said I understand your situation, although it would be nice if you could keep your 701 and have a bigger adventure bike. Since owning the 690 I find myself riding it much more than my Africa Twin and have been contemplating selling my Africa Twin. I just haven't found that unicorn yet?

[@marcosolano2737]

Hi, I’m a GS owner and thinking to change to a middle weight bike because my off road needs. Just a thought, KTM 890 has 105 HP, more then Africa twin and lighter too,so maybe is a better option and is a mistake put it in the same basket of T7. Good luck.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Hi Marco, that’s a great suggestion. Even though I’ve ruled out the middleweight bikes, I am going to test ride a few just to be sure. The 890r is a beast of a bike!

[@wanderlustadventures8850]

Hi Johannes I can totally understand your thoughts. Maybe you can wait until next season to buy a new bike. There are rumors about smaller adventure bikes because this is what most people want. There should be a new transalp coming soon or a smaller version of the Africa twin. Also KTM is considering to make a new superduke adventure (maybe 750, 900 or 990). Time will tell… I will keep my T7. - Yes it is top heavy and it is not the most comfortable for a pillion but if you ride 99% on tarmac, then it is a great bike. Also if there is a nice offroad section you can do it with the stock T7 as long as it is not too technical. In the end it is your channel and your decision what you are doing. I will keep watching because of your personality and your great reviews about gear and stuff 😎 Ride safe 🙌

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks a lot for your kind words my friend - happy to hear the T7 is serving you well! 😁

[@mathiasekarlsson]

I really know and feel your dilemma. Not sure if some of my thoughts/experiences can be helpful TLDR: I really recommend you to look at the Norden 901. It offers great comfort, especially to a pillion, on the road. With its low weight it is about as offroad capable as it still gets while offering that level of comfort. Other alternatives could be Africa Twin (non AS), Tiger 900 You really seem to enjoy challenging offroad riding like TET trails etc. This can be done on big Adventure bikes ... but I really doubt you will be happy I currently ride a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro, it is an awesome bike ... looks great ... but with some annoying minor flaws ... but the biggest problem is ... I simply wont do any really challenging offroad riding, because if something happens, I am totally screwed and because of that I currently am not doing what I really enjoy ... Big ADV Bikes (KTM 1290, Africa Twin AS, Tiger 1200, 1250 GS) are unreasonably offroad capable, way more capable than all but the best riders. All the technology and engineering really helps and lets you do stuff that should not be possible. But when it gets tricky, the margin for error gets small very quickly, same goes for the point of no return. And all the stuff cannot make the 250-270kg disappear. Especially when it lies in a ditch or stuck. It is much harder to get out than a 205kg or 170kg bike.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks a lot for chiming in Mathias. You raise several good points here. The 901 is a great bike no doubt, but would have liked if it had been on the marked for a few years before I possibly buy it. Regarding the big adv bikes being capable offroad you are absolutely right, but as you say they can be a handful. I was initially set on a big bike, but the more I think and reflect over how I like to ride (technical, and as much offroad as possible), I’m not as sure anymore, if that’s something I want to give up. We will see what bike I end up with, time will tell 🙂

[@mathiasekarlsson]

@@JohannesDalenMC This spring I tried to decide between the Tiger 900 and 901... before I fell into the feature trap of the Tiger 1200 After my Tiger 1200 "early adopter experience" over the last 3 months and 11k with firmware upgrades, missing parts, no 3rd party parts yet, etc. ... no long term reviews ... the vibrations😠... I really understand your point ... TBH the 890, aehm I mean 901, parts are not that new ;) The 901 is awesome ... balances to a stand still see @OFFroad-OFFcourse ... however I struck it off my list because - crappy wind protection, 901 touring shield vanished after less than a week from the catalog - "1>2 false neutral" ... i had the gear drop into N multiple times during 2 test rides - buttons fell cheap/unpolished for this price ... especially compared to the Tiger 900 - parts availability ... very questionable ... Since then I had the pleasure to experience the 901 over 4 offroad training days in Germany. Awesome .. a bit aggressive. However - some parts break/damage easily > crash bars? - false neutral really sucks offroad when you constantly need to check if the gear is in .. KTM: known issue, just hold it in Many of my issues may be improved by season 2023 .. either by Husky or 3rd party ... and learn to live with the rest ... After my experience, I would also wait a bit more and see where it goies .. I might look at the 901 (or similar ... Africa Twin 750, Ténéré 900 ... one can dream :D ) again ... while it is not perfect ... it really strikes unique balance between offroad and comfort ...

[@jurgenklo5714]

If you really liked the T7 just get another one :) I think an AT will be too heavy, I sat on one and it felt like a tank. T7 is a great compromise all things considered.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

We will have to see what I end up with Jürgen - I agree that the T7 is a great compromise!

[@bonedale]

I’m in a similar place. 701 is the modern DR650 and is the true dual sport. Great for twisties to easy single track. The mid-sized adv bikes like T7 and KLR, are just not light enough to justify. Big bikes I’ve rented the GS, KTM super adv, for big rides and frankly they do dirt roads but single track no way without expert skills. In other words, if you go big, like I am also thinking, you do give up technical trails rides because in my opinion, the skills to do that riding are on another level. If I do a GS, I am keeping my DR650

[@lo76er82]

I respect your personal trajectory as you try to find the best compromise motorcycle for your needs but keep in mind: - there is no unicorn -it’s all about trade offs -your wife may only like the idea of exploring on a motorcycle, not the reality of it… I don’t think you should aim straight for such big bike, the 890/901 platform is plenty strong for two up and still decent off road. Anyways, success on your search!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks a lot for the informative comment. I agree that I shouldn’t let the pillion riding be too much of a deciding factor. Thanks 🙂

[@Schockist]

I had the Same Problem, now i am very happy with the tiger rally pro 900, i think thats the best choice for your money- the norden is great, but the Suspension is Not full adjustable. The Tiger 900 is also a good Option for the Pillion. MAD- Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike did a good test Review, take a Look. Good luck for your next pick Johannes!

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Happy to hear the Tiger 900 is serving you well. I’ve never ridden a Tiger before, Triumph bikes aren’t that popular here in Norway I think. Checked the specs of the rally pro now, pretty impressive, especially the weight. Thanks for the suggestion and wishes 🙂

[@31nerf]

Would be interesting for another video, if you explain details about the experience of those 6 hours in the 701. My opinion is you are right, because you've got now the experience it makes sense to have an adventure bike that suits you better. Good luck! My 790 is capable of everything you said you need, the 890 would being more powerful should be more than enough.

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thanks for the feedback Sergio, I’ll make sure to talk about that in a future video - I assume you’re referring to those six hours of highway riding to get to the dirt? I haven’t ridden the 790, but the 890 sure is a fantastic bike!

[@AndreasHegartPetersen]

I absolutely love my 2018 KTM 1290 SAR. It is a heavy bike off-road, but it is highly capable - I'm the limit for sure. Unless you want to do enduro stuff, the 1290 is awesome. A "little" heavy to lift on your own, so consider that if you like to go off-road alone ;)

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Happy to hear Andreas, the 1290 is something else that’s for sure. I can’t test ride it locally, unfortunately. And it might be a bit too expensive. We’ll see 🙂

[@terjeaasvangdalen8176]

Triumph tiger rally pro 900 or 1200? I have the 900. If i would buy a new motorcycle today, i would go for it again. Gravel or tarmac, long roads or bumpy bad roads, it is good for both. Put more gravel-orientet tires than the original, and you are good to go, even with a pillion. Good luck 👍

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Thank you Terje! Never ridden a Tiger, but I’m sure they are great bikes. Time to test and see I guess 🙂

[@sveinivaraspenes6892]

I have been riding since the mid 80`s and find myself pondering the same questions as you, regarding bikes still hehe… Good luck in your hunt for the ultimate compromise 😉

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Exactly! I’m starting to realize that there is no one bike that can do all well, and that you have to buy a bike that is suited for your situation and everyday riding!

[@AutoMan84]

Perfect timing, the new Africa Twin 750 was just announced. Funny I do miss my Africa Twin as well every now and then that I have the 701.

[@sspirito3130]

nothing has been announced. It's a fake

[@AutoMan84]

@@sspirito3130 I fell for it? LOL the teaser looked so real

[@doomermotorsports]

😥 Sad to hear that the 701 might be going away! Although it makes sense if your wife is wanting to ride with you. Being a single guy, my first thought is to let her ride the DRZ, but I understand it's not that simple.

[@joephoto1353]

I hope you consider the GS. It pretty amazing.

[@winterbreed]

Hey man, go try the Tiger900, just did 7250kms with a pillion and camp gear. Worked great.

[@modzso2]

Have you thought towing your bike to the trails? I did that this year, brought my AJP PR7 to Romania, to ride there. Maybe it is not the most adventurous option, but an option. But I also feel your pain, since the PR7 legally only carries 1 person...

[@oscarkra]

Hi, Your 701 is missing from accessories like PHDS, rubber footrests. Do you change the pressure to the max when you drive on asphalt? (there are these little portable pumps on a power bank)

[@krede99]

I had a 690 and went for the T7 thinking it would be more comfortable on the long hauls - In my opinion it's not its just heavy and so far more reliable ;) One factor in my switch was the ability to bring a passenger AND luggage where the 690 was passenger or luggage

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Interesting, my memory of the T7 is that it is miles and miles more comfortable on the road than my 701.

[@deekox1]

Another thing: I think one bike will not solve your dillema but maybe you can rent one of these heavy bikes and check if your assumption about its off-road capabilities still holds.

[@ericgustafsson9008]

12:37 - Not if you try the 890 platform ;) Heavy when you get stuck though (as with all these 200kg+ bikes)!