From Albums to the Vaults: How Fans Drive The Elvis Market (EAPS:S01E20)

From Albums to the Vault: How Fans Drive The Elvis Market
(NOTE: We do not endorse bootleg releases - this discussion is for educational or reference purposes only. Also, this is not intended as a precise timeline of releases, but to demonstrate the general idea of how fan demand shaped what gets released.)
The FTD releasing sessions and Sony Legacy releasing entire sets of live recordings, newer fans might wonder how we got here. In this episode, Jamie and John take a general overview of how we went from the 70s until today, and how fans and their love for Elvis have driven the direction of Elvis releases for over 50 years - and how that trend continues today!
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[@MJL3764]

Hi , Are You Lonesome Tonight from "A Legendary Performer Vol 1" (1974) was an outtake from the 68' T.V Special the laughing version from Vegas 1969 was featured on "A legendary Performer Vol 4," (1983) and originally made its official debut on the "Elvis Aron Presley" box in 1980. The Fort Baxter/Bilko releases were excellent for the time thanks for the video look forward to the next.

[@EAPSociety]

Oh, ok! Thanks for the clarification! That's what I get for just glancing at the tracklist, lol :) And very happy you liked the video!

[@luisjasinevicius8175]

Hi boys!!. How nice to review this releases !. Another release that marked a time was "Collectors Gold"box set in 1991 , all the tracks were alternative or unknown at the time ,just last week i bought the CD version of that and sounds AMAZING !. Thank You and TCB!

[@EAPSociety]

Oh, yeah - that's a classic, for sure! And pretty amazing stuff, especially at that time.

[@kerrydavidsadler980]

You guys really know your stuff, you have such a great channel.

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you, Kerry! Even more fun stuff down the road, too! 😁

[@stevesmets6822]

Another great episode. Can't thank you guys enough.

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome, Steve! So glad you're enjoying them!

[@henryfong3471]

You can read the bootlegger article non elvisinfonet. I remember my local record store would sell the bootlegs and later I purchased the Silver box vinyl and the gold box. Was overjoyed when these came out. Europe started releasing heaps of boots in the 90s. Thanks for the memories.

[@EAPSociety]

You're very welcome - some great memories in there for us, too. And thank you for sharing!

[@henryfong3471]

Elvis packaging should improve like they do with the Beatles releases

[@EAPSociety]

@@henryfong3471 Yes - I would love to see that!

[@Patracat]

This is fascinating, I have always wondered how all these out-takes and extra songs got into circulation. And the fans must have had some serious money available, to pay record companies to make records and covers of unauthorised soundtracks, when the companies were themselves breaking copyright laws.

[@EAPSociety]

Yeah, it's really a fascinating process; usually from someone who knows someone with access to the tapes, etc (as opposed to the label, itself), "safety copies" being made, etc. Wild stuff!

[@biggestliberacefan1988]

Thank you Jamie and John your videos are terrific and this one brought back memories of the 1990s and some of the classic Bootlegs we used to buy from labels such as the King Of Bootlegs Fort Baxter Bilko Madison and Vicky love you guys to do a little history on those labels. We only ever bought sound boards no recorded from the audience for us and rare outtakes from movie and regular sessions how the hell did these rare takes escape from the RCA vaults ? There is a particular Fort Baxter release of Theres Always Me maybe part of number 2 and part of 3 that has some tracks from the From Elvis In Memphis sessions that I don’t think will ever be released on FTD or The Legacy series because of the language but it is totally fascinating stuff and really shows just how much fun Elvis Had with the other musicians at times and how much they loved working with him . The days of bootlegs are pretty much gone but still see a few record albums and DVDs newly produced pop up .But these days am loving the FTDs and the Legacy series the sound is incredible thank you guys for bringing back the memories cheers Carl

[@EAPSociety]

Thanks so much for sharing those memories, Carl, and you're very welcome! And those would certainly be interesting to look at more, down the road. 😁

[@ronaldbeetz6800]

Hi Guys, I can only say, Thank you again for your presentation.

[@EAPSociety]

It's absolutely our pleasure, Ronald!

[@SuperAtlantis1]

Good video guys, it's good to see the evolution of how we got here with the recordings. We are lucky have these sets by ftd and Sony. I do have some bootlegs from years past, but I prefer the main label. Thanks guys for your vetoes and information.

[@EAPSociety]

Thanks so much! Yeah, we thought it was pretty interesting, too. And very glad we have FTD (even if we nitpick them from time to time).

[@erickmofosilva2021]

the main person /fan responsible for getting FTD rollin was GER RIJFF who was responsible for both BILKO and BAXTER and these were the very 1st to feature soundboards as did the cd Man in White - uk Magazine was the main source for adverts of Fortbaxter and the 1st soundboard Just Pretend over a few releases BMG @ the time took note of the sales as did EPE who shutt Rijff and Willem Kauw down and fined them back in 1998 iir - the footage up close 8mm from pittsburgh 76 was filmed/owned by John Herman -a cop n friend of EP and same guy who had a cassette recording of the show and the one that Paul dowling used and put on Bootleg Vinyl -

[@EAPSociety]

Some absolutely great info there! We generally don't name too many names for legal reasons (and for new fans, we don't focus too much on bootlegs) but you're right - and man, do those names take me back! I remember talking to both of them on the forums, back in the day (and others, as well - some great fans and good folks!)!

[@FrankieLovesElvis]

@@EAPSociety The 90’s was a great time for such awesome resources and great releases. I, personally, wouldn’t want to name names either, but the constant issues at retail, such as, “Elvis On Tour” debacle is just unacceptable. I’m sure you God know exactly what I’m referring too.

[@EAPSociety]

@@FrankieLovesElvis Definitely, on all counts! If we could somehow combine the 90's in general with the FTD sessions releases we have now, I'd be extremely happy! And while I'm happy it exists, there are definitely issues with the new "Elvis: On Tour" release, and we'll be going into the good and bad in minute detail in a future video, for sure!

[@FrankieLovesElvis]

@@EAPSociety Looking forward to that episode, no doubt. Thanks for doing such an outstanding job for the community/fans and for the channel. I still can’t believe there’s not more fans subscribed or even know of this awesome channel. I’m spreading the word. Thanks.

[@EAPSociety]

@@FrankieLovesElvis Thank you SO much, Francesco! We're just getting started, too - we have some huge plans that I'll be making a video about very soon, so any help you can give in spreading the word will absolutely help make those come about faster. I wish we could just share all the plans we have, but we'll definitely be talking about it all as soon as we know what's possible and what's not - including some things that could shape collecting as we know it and even future releases! Fingers crossed that it works!

[@haraldtrittner4396]

Jamie my friend....are you broken into my flat?! I'm kiddin pal, i still have all of the RCA plus Bootleg Beauties in my Collection showing ✌️ Thanks for another very nice YT Show! Keep On Rockin' Friends👍 How about to make a Video on ELVIS personally musically Influence from the early 40s/50s...plus?!😉 Dean Martin, The Ink Spots, a lot of Country and Blues, Gospel Singers unknown, Establishment Music like Bing, & Frank...your Channel is so much open minded, i hope so😉 @ and i still like the EPA Society Intro👍

[@EAPSociety]

Hey, Harald! Lol - that's awesome, man, I love it - and we'll definitely be getting into Elvis's influences down the line a bit - we both own a lot of material by artists who influenced Elvis, so that would certainly be doable (and John has curated some great info on Elvis's Gospel music that should be new to most ears)!

[@haraldtrittner4396]

@@EAPSociety Thank you Friends...your YT Channel is really relevant and outstanding. I'm still lookin forward 😁👍

[@EAPSociety]

@@haraldtrittner4396 Thank you so much, I really appreciate that, and I know John does, too. Lots more fun to come - and some extra additions once we hit the soon-to-be-filmed content!

[@haraldtrittner4396]

@@EAPSociety Wonderful, thanks a lot friends😁👏....only 1 Question please, what is the permanent drink Jamie does?! Pepsi Cola, Mountain Valley sparkeld Water, a real Cup of Coffee?! Jamie and John,...another idea on ELVIS Legacy on the most important Book is "Elvis What Happened"?! Your Opinion 😉 Thanx Friends

[@EAPSociety]

@@haraldtrittner4396 You're very welcome!

[@liorb5625]

Hey Jamie and John, how are you friends? wowo, what a deep journy , great research, love it, great and very informative video , thank you so much, TCB ;) Your friend : Lior

[@EAPSociety]

Hey, Lior! We're good - hope you are, too! And thank you so much, you're very welcome!

[@josipjoeybosnjak]

You guys have a awesome channel! New Subscriber here 😁🙌👍🏻👍🏻 Keep up the amazing job 🤗 TCB! ⚡️⚡️

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you so much! Welcome!

[@MisterMasterShafter1]

Great stuff as always, guys. I've always thought the back cover of 'Let's Be Friends' was a bit more stylish than most of the Camdens. With that B/W pic of EP, it has a stylish late 60s look to it.

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you so much! And very true!

[@marcoesquandolez4737]

Great video! You guys are getting into the good stuff! More ELVIS fans need to see this! Keep it up you’ll get there! 🎉

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you so much, Marco - we really appreciate that!

[@reinhardmayr5068]

Hi boys. You have a really cool channel. It's very entertaining. Especially this theme. I am looking foreward to your next video. I wish you all the best. Greetings from Germany.👍

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you so much! Glad you're enjoying it! 😁

[@reinhardmayr5068]

👍👍👍😁

[@brandon37924]

Great video. We are so lucky to have FTD and the main label providing us such great releases. Could another reason FTD was approved by Sony due to the 50 year copyright rule? Not that it’s an issue because we are getting a steady stream of great quality releases but as a business protecting their copyright in countries where it would have expired, stopping legal bootlegs ?

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you! As for the 50 year rule, I doubt it - several FTD releases came after that material expired under the rule, so FTD was mainly a response to / competition for the bootleg market. But they've certainly used FTD to get some material out before the 50 year rule - so even if the label wasn't created for that, certain individual releases seem to have been.

[@lestresorsdelvis8431]

Great video! 👍🙋‍♂️🇫🇷🎶👑

[@EAPSociety]

Thank you!!

[@-dave3577]

Too bad the Phil Gelormine 8mm MSG afternoon footage couldn't have been accessed, too. We would then have had nearly 3/4 of that show [some of it in multi-angle] with matching multitrack audio. Sigh.

[@Patracat]

OMG, the cost of all those....i would have to win the lottery....and move to a mansion to accomodate it all

[@EAPSociety]

lol - Yeah, Elvis collecting gets very expensive and pretty quickly - that's why we recommend focusing on an area you enjoy most and branching out into what you like as you want to. :)

[@Theslavedrivers]

In your father's house are many mansions ;-)

[@tonyjohn5671]

BUT….. it goes even further back than that. When the film Flaming star came out in the cinemas, some fans took their tape recorders in to record the two songs that weren’t released on record. There was even an article about this in one of the British music mags telling fans they are not allowed to do this as it is against the law!!!

[@EAPSociety]

Good call, Tony, you're exactly right - and I even have some tapes made in the theater just like that from back then!

[@elviskid80]

Awesome video guys I just subsribed to your channel! That being said have to agree with you all of these new relases and the awful reverb. on things like Live 1969 and way Down i really don't like the way it sounds . also it looks like the new EOT box will have the same awful reverb on it aswell. Whom ever is mixing these sets really needs to stop with the reverb it just doesn't sound good! just my personal opinion T.C.B Elvis forever .

[@EAPSociety]

Hi, Don! Thank you so much, and welcome! I don't mind the new mixes so much, as long as - at some point - we get the material in more classic mixes. At the very least, that should be happening with the 76 sessions and already did with a few of the 1969 shows, but here's hoping for the rest, too.

[@robertmorra8603]

The Prince from another planet DVD had too much blank video with audio. I've watched better more creative versions recently on KZbin.

[@EAPSociety]

Agreed - though it is an interesting first step for the official label. Hopefully future things in a similar vein will be more complete.

[@FrankieLovesElvis]

That’s what was available at that time, 2012, so a lot of us were ecstatic when we first got it. In today’s world, the technology has gotten so much better and I think that release is still worthwhile. 10th row fan footage from a “collector” With synchronized video and audio is still exceptionally impressive. Don’t forget the guy had to constantly change the tape to keep recording.

[@Patracat]

He is lucky his batteries lasted that long 😮

[@Patracat]

Imagine what would be around now, if mobile phones were around in Elvis' time.....😕

[@EAPSociety]

Very true, Francesco, at least from that one collector - though even at the time, enough video from differences sources existed to cover most of the show. Much like anything else, multiple sources of Elvis footage gets expensive, but here's hoping Sony finds was to do more of that over time.

[@Patracat]

Oh dear, I hope your marriage lasts longer than mine...my first husband and I did exactly the same, merged our substantial Elvis collections into one, and selling off the surplus. Six years later marriage in tatters, husband now President of fan club, well I couldn't really take the Elvis stuff from him, could I.....

[@EAPSociety]

I'm so sorry that happened to you - that's just a horrible situation to be in! So far, so good here; we got married in late 2009, and still going! Ronda is in our movie props episode, and tomorrow we have one more season 1 episode with her before the season finale!

[@Patracat]

@@EAPSociety and you two would be a lot older than I was when I married the first time (I was 21 and he was 20, barely out of nappies really😏)

[@EAPSociety]

That's true - I was 29 when Ronda and got married. 😁