From biker in the USA to cyclist in Germany

[@elcamino6699]

I feel like the biker community in Germany is very enjoyable. You have a lot of brotherhood and when you are driving you are united in your hobby with completely random people who are so kind and always willing to help you. I've never driven in the USA but I would love to one day just for the experience of the nature and culture.

[@DocKotoga]

This story reminds me to a coleague from the community service _[Zivildienst]_ who went from germany to spain on a dutch bicycle with a bicycle trailer and his two dogs (a leonberger dog and a german mastif) And as he was biking up the Pyrenees he saw the custom official waiting on top of the mountain with crossend under arms greeting him with the legendary question: "Let me guess: Dutchman or german?!" He replied: "I'm german" Custom official: "I know! There are only two kind of peoples stupid enough to bike up the Pyrenees with two dogs and a bicycle trailer: Dutchman and germans!" xD

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

😂

[@mindmachinepsy]

Ok that story was fucking gold :D

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

@Tom364 here in Germany?!

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

@Tom364 thanks for your contact. Me or one of my guys might contact you sometime down the road. Maybe this summer we can come and meet you and your friend!

[@thana7179]

Same here, i have done a big tour with my friend (it's called "velodyseé and stretches from Norway to Spain most of the time next to the Atlantic) and there were so many people who telled us, "okay only Germans are that crazy".😅

[@Clairvoyant81]

One thing about the "not getting a driver's license as soon as possible" bit: That really only applies to urban areas with decent public transportation. I grew up in a more rural area where public transportation was basically one bus to the city each morning and evening. You can be certain we got our driver's license ASAP.

[@daskraut]

there is one biker rallye in germany that is ab-so-lu-te-ly mandatory: the elfantentreffen. late january / early february - southern bavaria - 4000 bikers - 1000 campfires. last time i was there we had to abandon the bikes 5km away because we couldn't get up an icy hill and when we got there we had to dig ourselves 1 metre into the snow before we could set up our tents.

[@FryingPan76]

And you can attend the rally on your bicycle. That's what a group of italians did when I was in Thurmansbang in 2016.

[@raythevagabond3724]

Definetly nothing for Warmduscher, only for real bikers.

[@Grey2k8]

Here in Hamburg are two big events "Harley Days" and "Motorradgottesdienst short MOGO"

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

I was there once for mogo!!! I had forgotten what it was called...i saw the super long parade of thousands of bikes!!

[@janfrankfischer2479]

@@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany MOGO at Hamburg kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYGne2Wsadxjorc, Harley Days at Hamburg kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmLElKaieMlna7s and as Metal Men : Wacken- 60 km northwest of Hamburg kzbin.info/www/bejne/bV6Tm6SCrrSSZ9U

[@scottevil4531]

Biking is still cool in germany. My father is a Harley Rider and there are a lot of really awsome routes all over the country.

[@BremerFischkoop]

Don't ride a Harley. That is a bike for long straight roads on a very low speed limit. Take an Adventure bike (ktm, bmw, Ducati, triumph). Go for the Alps on small roads across the mountains with up to 30% steepness on gravel. That's a real fun. Look for Passo stelvio Videos for example. It is so exciting to get up there. On the other hand I also use my R1200gs (the market leader in germany) for a ride to the backery to get some Brötchen. 😄🤗 And I enjoy it!

[@laviloli4710]

Mein Reden! Adventure bikes, knobby tyres, curvy moutain roads and going offroad...that's fun!

[@RamothElggur]

You are more german than i am i belive and im about to be 30 years old , haha! It is cool to see how other people outside of Germany experience living in germany, becasue usually my concern is that they think it is not that great, but that positive outlook you show really brightens up my mood!

[@Fuldigor1980]

Hey Eric! One of the biggest difference between bikes in the USA and bikes in Germany is the TÜV. A former colleague of me made a trip to America with his own Harley some years ago. He met some American bikers and they took a ride together. They all drove custom build Harleys and asked him why he don't customise his own Harley. He said because of the German TÜV. Its not allowed to rebuild your bike like you want. Only answer: "what the fuck is TÜV". So think about that if you want to buy a new motorcycle 😉

[@silvesterlangen164]

"A couple scratches on my bike" -> and soul! :-)

[@henrikostermann3013]

You have to go to "Anlassen" at the Nürburgring one day. If you want to see a big bike event in germany.

[@DSP16569]

Or the "Gedenkfahrten" like the one in Cologne to the Altenberger Dom kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZjRiKyJrNuUmNk

[@FrecherFischer]

Hey mate, youre videos are rly interesting :) your english is so clear it helps me a lot to practise my listening

[@herrMuesli]

Hey Eric! Every year we have the european bike week in carinthia, austria at the beautiful lake faak. They claim its the biggest Harley festival worldwide. Not sure if that is true but carinthia is very nice!

[@marioreese4907]

i liked to have a motorbike since ever...i thaught it fits metal very well...but in germany you will be one of thousands, who feel that. driving to a festival and you will see only a few riders! ... but that's cool too

[@tomernst1185]

There is nothing like Daytona here, but the Elefantentreffen comes closest. Around 4000 Bikers every year. Thing is, it is in the winter, showing up there alone is a challenge but it is definetely worth it and a lot of fun.

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

Why do they do it in the winter?

[@tomernst1185]

@@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany I don´t know, it was in the winter ever since. The snow and coldness are part of the festival and there are huge bonfires around the campground.

[@miysis6880]

You have to whatch about the bike and music weekend in Geiselwind Bavaria its amazing!

[@jenslindnerfotografie]

Love your change! And lovin' your channel! You're a cool guy. Welcome to Germany and have a good time!

[@MegaDukes4]

Hi Krautsalat, im from Germany, i own a Road Glide as a daily driver, to work and back duringbthe summer and fall. I also own a old Sidecar Motorcycle from 1960. the bike is my main transportation, i owna car also but only need it when ich have to move big things or stuff. Im from The ruhrgebiet, here are a lot of Mc‘s. You find this subculture here in Germany also. Best regards, get a Bike, summer is comming Monty

[@MasonicKryptonite]

Greetings from Lakeland, FL.! As my father used to say: "There are 2 types of riders. Those who have fell, and those that are yet to fall".

[@TheVenzislav]

Basically, you can easily rent heavy motorcycles for a day or a weekend in Germany. No idea how the big difference is if it is not your own machine, but if you just want to have the feeling again and want to save yourself the permanent costs, or just want to try out different vehicles, this is certainly a good idea . Tbh I just discovered your videos recently, I'm through with almost everyone and I would be happy if we could get to see / hear vocals at some point.

[@hafftig3692]

Hey Krautsalat, i absolutely love your channel! :) So fun to watch, you're such a sympathetic person. I would like to know in which part of Germany you live? Greetings from NRW.

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

Thank you so much!! Well, I have said in a few other videos the city where I live....so I will only tease and you will have to watch more for that answer ;-)

[@hafftig3692]

@@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany i will 😉

[@Jeff.Wilson]

Yeah, my German colleague also did some bike trips, I guess travelling through the Alps is quite popular amongst bikers here. Also, Hamburg Harley Days is a big biker event that happens once a year and somewhat reminds those US events. I'm not really a fan of bikes, but visited that event once or twice just for fun, they also tend to have some hard'n'heavy bands playing, for example I saw Bonfire there.

[@ThePentadactyl]

Eric, you need to get your drivers license and back on a motorcycle - you could join us on our yearly tour - just a few hundreds kilometers into the Harz, Thüringer Wald, Weserbergland - just a few days of camping with a few bikes - just 5, 6 or 7 or so :-). Lots of curves during the day, and sitting in front of the tents, getting a little drunk in the evening, just getting away from the wives and girl-friends - what can be better? :-)

[@XAlt95Ray]

If you are looking for a big biker meeting I'd recommend the Hamburg Harley Days, if they still exist when you get around to it :'D

[@gerdpapenburg7050]

Interesting fact: Germans call real motorbikes Mopeds.

[@mindmachinepsy]

Mofa! :D You're not cool unless you have a Hercules!

[@DSP16569]

@@mindmachinepsy For "real" bikers a Mofa is everything with less than 500ccm, everything with more ccm is a Mopped :or Moppel-)

[@tonyme7426]

No they don't.

[@ThePentadactyl]

@@mindmachinepsy Hercules Hobbyrider 2 :-)

[@ThePentadactyl]

No, we dont - we say Motorräder - or, in my case, "Trude" because of my 1400 Intruder :-) (You know the saying: "Suzuki VS 1400 Intruder - it looks like a Harley but it is a real motorcycle")

[@berndkorbl8594]

There are some Biker Gatherings in Germany as well. For South Germany i can recogment the Glemseck 101.

[@philippsterze3932]

Ich liebe dein Shirt die band ist einfach so geil :D

[@Soldier_of_Life]

Must be nice to jump on a motorcycle when the weather is nice.. thats why i got me an E Bike lol 😅

[@peterheynen]

I just wanted to write about the Elefantentreffen, but than I saw that daskraut already named it. :-) So I will just tell you where this weird sounding name of this festival comes from :-) The name is based on the motorbike KS 601 from the company Zündapp which had the nickname "Grüner Elefant". It was built in the 50th. At 1956 this biker festival took place for the first time and it was only for owners of this green elefant. As far as I know it is the oldest biker festival in Germany. And there are coming also bikers from Africa and Austrailia. So if you don't mind the frotiness it is a must :-)

[@axelotl86]

I hope to see you on a motorcycle again!

[@hurtigheinz3790]

11:40min My dad has an oldtimer bike (Yamaha TX 750) and once a year they meet at different spots in Germany. People from the whole country and Austria and Switzerland do join. It's only like 1-2 dozen, since it's a rare bike. Theys also have ties to Australia und once even bikers from Australia joined. (Well without bike^^)

[@daniellehurrell6620]

Haha the clips between your comments are hilarious 😂

[@franzjaegers]

When you have your drivers licence and a motorbike drive to the Weserbergland region!

[@mindmachinepsy]

My parents used to take me to that area. Around Hameln and some of those really old places. Definitely a great choice for trips.^^

[@Madmito1]

@@mindmachinepsy Yes, I can confirm. I drive a lot around these area.

[@Paaanzaaa]

You need to get a bike again dude, let's do a tour :D Also there's a lot of clubs starting like big rides where everyone's welcome and lot's of meet ups and parties, mostly you can find them on google or facebook :)

[@xtianeskay5166]

Es gibt viele Radsportveranstaltungen! In meiner Umgebung gibt es in vielen Dörfern einen Radsportverein. Von Frühling bis Herbst gibt es immer RTFs (Rad-Touren-Fahrten), die von den Vereinen immer für Sonntage geplant werden. Dabei gibt es feste Veranstaltungskalender, wann welcher Verein eine RTF ausrichtet. Bei den RTFs zahlst du eine Gebühr von 5-10€ und kannst unterschiedlich lange Strecken auf der Straße abfahren, je nach Trainingszustand. Meistens sind die Strecken 40, 70, 110, 150 und 210km lang. Die Strecken sind ausgeschildert und es gibt Versorgungsstationen, bei denen man Snacks und Getränke nachfüllen kann! There are many cycling events! In my area there are many communities with cycling clubs who host cycling events from spring to fall, called RTF (Rad-Touren-Fahrt) which are happening on Sundays. There is a fixed event calendar so you know when the events are going to take place. You pay 5-10€ and can ride the routes which will be signposted. You can chose from routes from 40km, 70km, 110, 150 and sometimes 210km. The Clubs will organize supply stations by the road so you can pick up some snacks and drinks during the event.

[@arnodobler1096]

In the 90´in Germany here was a great Harley Scene. I lives in a Village 5.000 Residents there are 20 Harley Driver all 50+ at age that was crazy! All so crazy some of the biker here are really overconfident not only on the Autobahn 250 km/h on the Landstraße = they die Young 😮

[@speedy77gonzales]

used to live in Wisco- Madison. was a good time 😎

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

Yep, cool city. I lived there one year but definitely spent more time there

[@jonasberger9415]

Idk if some one cares but if you are in Germany you are able to do your driver license: AM class 50cc with 15year (max 5hp) for example in Saxony A1 class with 16 years, 125cc (max 15hp) A2 class with 18, (max 48 Hp) A open class at 24 years with more than 48 Hp

[@TheCrusader1099]

Hi, just discovered your channel and subbed! (btw: your my 200. channel that i am subbscribed to...yea:-))...I am Biker and Metal fan myself and I can highly(!!!) recommened the "Glemseck 101" Biker Festival at Leonberg! Its a Rock and Roll Cafe Racer/Chopper/Bobber Festival which is became very huge in the last years....Every year there is also the so called "Großes Anlassen" at the Nürburgring, which is a Bike Start up Party after Winter time...Of course the Biker fair i can also recommened...like" Intermot"(every 2 years) and the Motorrad Dortmund. Due to the Corona stuff I think its all canceled this years:-(....anyway take care!

[@dcbsmt]

Don't know about cycling festivals but there's Critical Mass. Don't know if they're in Hannover though.

[@Livore1]

i have to do it too with bicyclelicence but not this year:( and im ttly agree in most sentenses i like the vids from max wrist, not by doing his crazyshit and his nike but more about his sfx and his 360° cam i like :)

[@MrKahlerHahn]

have you checked out the Harley-Days in Hamburg?

[@Matzkovina]

When this virus is over and the bike parks are open you should Pic some friends and drive to winterberg bike park. You will fell in love with riding mtb's immediately 😀

[@Bergwacht]

Here in Hamburg its enough to have an open Pedelac. its just enough freedom when you can drive 50 km/h with your bicycle xD

[@sveausg]

One time you get your licence and visit the "Nürburgring" . This will change your mind and you will buy a Japanese Race Bike :D

[@raythevagabond3724]

A Reisschüssel? Never ever

[@erikaushamburg8279]

Using my whole life a bicycle. And two years ago I found out that its even possible to transport a 3,3 m windsurfing board to the near lake with a guitar a tent and all the stuff you need for surfing on a tiny pendant for 50€ instead of a car for 5000€ I think thats a big revelation. The only thing that fucks me up are the cardrivers who hate me because they think I am not allowed to drive on the street, which infact I am allowed to do. Had many situations like that and everytime my life was in danger because of those morons. And they always were cursing at me and even threatening me. No matter rich or poor, no matter man or woman, no matter old or young. Cars turning people into soulless psychopaths. Bikes do not.

[@thana7179]

Als Radfahrer kann ich das nur bestätigen, unsere Straßen sind für Fahrradfahrer die Hölle.

[@Madmito1]

I don´t know how it is in the USA, but here in Germany there a growing number of people that think and say that you on a motorbike are automatically a speeder and/or a creator of unhealthy noise.

[@PierreGoldenbogen]

I would compare it with trucking. You're that kinda guy or you are not. I'm a German ATVer. I spent and will spend as much time on my Grizzly as I can. I use it as a daily driver. In Germany, well, you're a minority. But, this will give you much more freedom and acceptance. In Germany, you're still an outlaw, but not in a bad sense. You're still a guy who rides a bike and that's still unusual to many. But - and that's were the acceptance kicks in - it's like in Metal (were I'm a part in, too). In the end, you're just a guy who rides a bike and nobody thinks bad things on first sight.

[@michaelgrabner8977]

Well I don´t drive motorcycles but I know many who has a Harley but most of them have also an Enduro as well..they explained it that way that an Enduro is way more fun to ride because of the actual roadsituation in Europe..they told me a Harley is made to drive straight ahead..but in Europe the roads are simply way more curvy than in the USA..So it is way more fun to ride the Enduro on that roads..while riding with the Harley is more a sort of an "image thing" and sort of "status thing" to have because a "Harley is simply a Harley" simply a ledendary thing to have...But as I said I don´t ride Motorcycles that ´s just what I´ve got told from those who have those vehicles. And when those into speed instead of "cruising" then a powerful streetracer of any kind is the thing anyway instead of a Harley.

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

It depends on how you like to ride, thats for sure. There are some impressive things that can be done on a Harley when you can ride well enough. The riding straight thing is BS. I used to take my turns tight enough to scrape, a bit easier to do on the pipes side. In the us many sport bike riders are reckless and try to look cool in their own ways. Most motorcycle accidents are from sport bike riders because they ride carelessly.

[@michaelgrabner8977]

@@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany I get it ..but regarding to turns it depends a bit on the actual angles of the curves...and what I ment is the actual feeling while riding those curves. And don´t get me wrong I had no intend to smear a Harley...and those from where I got those infos are no reckless riders they are in my age with decades of experience riding bikes and I´m almost 50...just to make that clear. All what I just tried to say is that those take their Harleys just for a short run but when they make a long tour through several countries with all different types of roadprofiles like for instance through the Alps where you have to corner sharply permanently as like as very often on roads along the seaside in Croatia and Dalmacia (former Yugoslavia) or Italy which are all tremendous bike tours by the way they take the Enduro because it is way more fun to ride those under those road conditions.

[@ncofirefly]

I like You! Greetings from Trier.

[@axelknipping3447]

What's up Krautsalad, having lived in the U.S. for a long time myself I know first hand the differences when it comes to Harley's, the bikes and the culture. Now that all the events due to corona have been canceled, you have time to get your license lol. When you're ready to attend a festival next year I recommend you check out the Jamboree www.motorcycle-jamboree.com/ south of Berlin. it is huge if you're into big crowds. It will be worth it!

[@Mischnikvideos]

The motorcycle is part of the Wild West, just without a horse. The wide, open landscape and pleasant temperatures are also part of the motorcycle. Europeans have the same picture in their heads. However, they disappeared from the road in autumn and only reappear at pleasant temperatures. The wild west ends quickly in an air-conditioned car. But the landscape of the Midwest to drive is also missing. Western Europe is highly urbanized as if there were only the west and east coasts of the United States. The piece in between with the Wild West is missing. That's why a bicycle makes more sense and is also more European. Just like the bicycle couriers in the big cities in the USA.

[@Zatanxxx]

Wo in DE wohnst du (Bundesland)? Grüsse aus Konstanz am Bodensee.

[@berthaschwarze6704]

Ein nettes Bike/ Autotreffen ist das Kustom Kulture in Herten.

[@swanpride]

The most what you usually hear in Germany about bikers tend to be in connection with the Hell's Angels, which is a biker gang known for their gang criminality. The police took the crime ring in Germany down a few years ago (or at least they delivered a hefty blow to it), but their existence really didn't help the image of bikers.

[@julianzacher161]

I guess you knew that, but if not: When you do you drivers licence in Germany you have to do the car and the bike seperately...which means, double the cost. 😩

[@palomino73]

Has this changed over the years ? I have my license (car & bike) issued to me in May 1991 and I definitively remember to have urged my driving teacher to let me start with bike training sessions parallel to my car-sessions, even though it was still winter. But I intended to do theoretical exams only once for both vehicle. Also I was keen on learning to master the bike under difficult road conditions - this convinced my teacher to register his training-bike earlier than he did the years before.

[@julianzacher161]

@@palomino73 yes, sadly it was changed a while ago. My dad also has had both together but it was changed 1999 I think, when germany took the EU order to equal it's licence system...and now it's like, when you've got your car licence you need less theoretical hours to get your bike licence.

[@paulpanter3182]

ok, remember BMW, and if you like the good old stuff - de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Motorradmarken#Deutschland if your looking for events - > www.motorradtreffentermine.de/ or just Indian and Harley - European Bike Week

[@worldhello1234]

@3:19 Do you plan on riding a motorcycle in Germany? It is expensive and time consuming to get a license but you don't have to renew it. :)

[@germanCrowbar]

The next video will be: from metal head in the U.S. to Schlager-Fan in germany.😆😉

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

🤣

[@PPfilmemacher]

Selbst schon die amerikanische und die europäische Metalszene sind schon sehr unterschiedlich, allein vom Genre das Metals her Hier allein schon der Unterschied, dass in Europa Bands wie Nightwish und Epica mit Symphonischen Metal große Arenen und Stadien füllen und in Amerika dagegen lediglich durch kleine Säle Touren sowie/beziehungsweise dads generell das Angebot der verschiedenen Genres in Europa breitgefächerter ist und dass in Amerika bei dem Begriff„Metal“ die Leute erst einmal an Gruppen wie Slipnot denken und Metallica oder DragonForce irgendwann danach erwähnt werden , sagt meiner Meinung nach einiges aus ...

[@germanCrowbar]

Is your high quality studio background made of printed toilet paper? This is very rare and expensive nowadays! 😆😁😉

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

Maybe. 😉

[@derspuk3525]

In Germany just `Stricher` ride a bike !

[@DSP16569]

Harleys are more build for the American streets - Get on the road and drive hundreds of miles straight forward and feel the nature. In Europe with the serpentine like curves Harleys often makes problems (you have to slow down to get the curve) and the typical small but overpowered road bikes, Street-Enduros (like the BMW GS line) are more common. Also European biking is more a recreation thing driving for fun, fast through the curves. European bikers often hate it to drive an the highways and prefer the curvy county roads with hard braking in front of a curve and speeden up at the end. It's more sports driving in often cases. And we have bikers events: If you want to see a lot of bikers come to a "Gedenkfahrt" (Bikers meet somewhere and protected by Police they drive to a church having a bikers-Mass to remind the killed (by accidents) bikers of the year and receive a blessing from the priest for save ride next year. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZjRiKyJrNuUmNk

[@swanpride]

Harley's are more a stauts symbol than anything else. Even famous American bikers have said that Harleys are actually sh..., but it is part of the image to ride one, so they do it, despite other models because way better by now. It's all about the mythos, not about quality.

[@ericmyers5940]

I want to ride my bicycle, i want to ride my bike.... :) As you live in Hangover, you don´t need a driverslicence... will only cost you lots of money.Use public transport, your bike or walk... you´ll be fine. Like your channel and vids! Greetings froom Barbaria! :) Rock on!

[@KrautsalatAnAmericaninGermany]

Ahhh...the refernces! I love it! Cheers! Biiiiiiii-Cycle!!

[@stefans.6858]

I am 50 and as an Hannover Original (Hannoveraner) I never needed a driving license and so I have none.

[@countercpu5447]

Yes I am also e biker Ai am muss always driving me Vermieter in the Rosette

[@isabelk.117]

I'm not into the bike scene at all, but I've read in a bike magazine about this event: www.indianridersfest.eu/de/ Perhaps that's interesting for you. ^^

[@doktorzappergeck492]

8:38 made me laugh.

[@einspurfetischistmt09]

Jeder legt sich mal ab. :-) Gehört dazu. Solang man nachher weiss warum, und es danach besser macht :-)

[@HDMensur]

could someone tell me where his weird accent comes from? It weirdly sounds like a German speaking English with a great "American" accent...

[@honeycrunch1144]

Maybe a minnesotan accent, because of the pronunciation of the "o"s? But I'm not a native english speaker, so I could be totally wrong

[@TiloBauer]

check BMW Motorrad Days in Garmisch-Partenkirchen … in 2021

[@tonyme7426]

Difference, german bikertreffen, friends turning up for a couple of days for a party. US biker week, sell shit.

[@jensputzlocher8345]

Du brauchst keine Harley in Norddeutschland - eine Kreidler reicht: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4K9mGmnmsd6qMk

[@deppen123]

sub Krautsalat i found your videos and subbed you. keep on making videos.

[@daybyter]

kzbin.info/door/Lkw6Pa6ybNi5uM_pM0S5ag Ich glaube, das wird Dir gefallen...

[@sina603]

Hier gibt es gute Tipps zur Chrompflege :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJamn4aebpqhfrc

[@jackattack3647]

Ok, before you go on talking about riding or driving what you are actually not allowed to, let's wait until you got the licenses and talk then again. Getting licenses IS more difficult here, but once you run with the traffic, you will see why it's worth. Germans are so much better drivers. Not being national or proud here, but just true to all I heard from every single american KZbinr. And to what I see in videos of Russia and USA, which is just horrible in terms of responsible driving. So get your license here and you'll see, it'll be accepted all over the world ... for a reason.

[@tanzendehyane3676]

SoA is typical american? For me it shows a hardly paternalistic society which divides men and women into two different classes where women are strictly subordinated to men and where everything follows some simplesuperficial rules from action and reaction. For me it was really hard to what because its some kind of not humanistic and a bit stupid and one-dimensional. I know it's just a movie, but it's a really sad picture of a western society.

[@Andreas-jq4uk]

Harley D.🤢