From School Teacher to Fashion ICON: A Brief History of Dame Vivienne Westwood

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@leahginzburg5105
@leahginzburg5105 3 ай бұрын
“she was vivienne, long before she became vivienne westwood” beautiful
@bymayaginzburg
@bymayaginzburg 3 ай бұрын
thank you! 😊
@Artbunny101
@Artbunny101 3 ай бұрын
this was such a good accompaniment to my dinner tonight!! i’ve always seen vivienne westwood around the punk and alt sub genre, especially with the anime/manga nana getting popular again, i’m so in awe of the woman behind the work, she truly is an inspiration, i am definitely a viviene convert and will try to delve deeper into her work.
@dr.antonenewcombe9592
@dr.antonenewcombe9592 3 ай бұрын
I’m Oglala Sioux and I honestly find admiration in artists taking inspiration from my people. “Appropriation” is subjective. The current flock seems to look at punk with their modern politicized standards. Punk was provocative. Rebelling against the former hippy saturated, passive mentality and counter culture. It was a form of liberation. The fashion embodied this mental & physical liberation through statements to confuse, disrupt/shock and make the suppressed minds question. The incorporation of things like swastikas, inverted symbolism, bondage, corporate and military/totalitarian styles. It had tones of irony and humor. Punk was a fashion & music movement but all in all it was a mentality. The media I believe coined the term punk. So, Vivian and Malcom basically commodified and capitalized off the punk fashion and music. Thats why Malcom wanted to start a “boy band” aka Sex Pistols. Bands created manifestos and wrote about their political ideologies and some were just full of angst and humor. How can we slap those in the past with the current constant politicized mentality? A lot that we deem politically incorrect back then wasn’t even a form of thought. Anyway, long rant. I just speak for myself as someone who’s listened to punk, post punk, goth and new wave etc. since I was 14 and now 26. Social media’s has a newfound interest in punk aesthetic without the interest in what, where and why. Hmm appropriation much?? in all seriousness, im not serious or am I?
@bymayaginzburg
@bymayaginzburg 3 ай бұрын
Completely agree that “appropriation” is subjective, but I certainly think that working with people in the culture you’re interested in, learning traditional methods, and involving people in the process, as well as properly crediting inspiration are much more in the appreciation side, rather than copying something and claiming as your own. In terms of looking at the past through modern perspectives, those are interesting musings. I do think it’s valuable to contextualize the time and place that birthed certain art, as the people of the present will always process the past with modern sensibilities. Thank you for listening and commenting 😊
@cmaden78
@cmaden78 3 ай бұрын
😂 they're not smart enough. But welcome to the club Hun😉🖤✨
@cmaden78
@cmaden78 3 ай бұрын
Btw I wasn't being unkind. I meant I thought ur post was intelligent and unfortunately the people that need to read it won't read it through ✨🖤✨
@modernamami5861
@modernamami5861 25 минут бұрын
I think the idea that appropriation is subjective, comes from the “pop definition” of appropriation. Appropriation is as subjective, as hierarchy and power are subjective. Cultural Appropriation, by definition, requires a hierarchical structure and a power dynamic - an imbalance of power between the parties involved. One example of this is my own culture, African American culture. Often when a non-black or even a non African-American person appropriates our cultural markers, they are considered “cool”, “stylish”, or “fashionable”. Meanwhile African Americans who can’t take their culture off; for whom their culture is rooted in history and isn’t just a phase, are seen as “dirty”, “ghetto”, “cheap”, etc, in their own cultural markers. Furthermore, the culture being appropriated, and the people it belong to, become fetishized and dehumanized. This says something about how we allot value along our social classes. Somehow an object considered dirty and worthless on one body, is considered fashionable and valuable on another. The objects are the same but the bodies are different, and so a different level of value is attributed to those two bodies. When we look at something like this we can’t really go off of personal opinion. That’s going to differ within any community. We can look at appropriation as a tool of oppression and how it functions and harms oppressed peoples. We can then use that as a criteria for what is and isn’t cultural appropriation. We also have many instances where the majority are allowed to wear a minority’s culture, but the minority are outright restricted, shamed, or prevented from wearing their own culture. We still have laws about how hair should look in school and the workplace in the US; children with locs aren’t allowed to graduate without cutting them off in some places. This of course begs the question: is the random white person wearing grillz or speaking in AAVE responsible for the oppression experienced by an entire group of people. And now we get into intention vs impact. What you intended vs how it impacts people and the culture aren’t guaranteed to be the same. Let’s imagine a situation where Vivienne was creating a collection for another culture. Vivienne could’ve researched a culture, spoke to its members, learned from them, and knowledgeably constructed a collection appreciating their culture. That’s the intent. But Vivienne’s knowledge and appreciation of that culture isn’t going to be carried from the garment to the consumer. They don’t have that knowledge and most won’t feel a drive to seek it out; such a collection might actually deepen already held false beliefs. So now all this collection can really do is just be another way these people and their culture have been exploited and marketed to everyone else. That’s the impact. No one person is responsible for the oppression of a group, but everyone plays a part in oppressing one another in various ways. We should want to acknowledge this and work to do what we can as individuals to stop that oppression. The sort of cultural/moral relativism you’re advocating for is something we often do in anthropology. But it’s the context that matters. If I’m looking at the actions of 12 century person I should judge them based off of what I know of the knowledge and norms of the time and society they were in. But if I’m - say for instance - engaging in moral philosophy or feminist philosophy, I’m not going to believe in moral/cultural relativism. Because to do such would undermine the very goal of the work. We can appeal to cultural/moral relativism when judging people and their actions in a certain place or time(sometimes), but when we speak of advancement and doing better as a society, it’s seldom the best route to take. There’s also the fact that none of this knowledge about cultural appropriation is new. It was very much around and popular in certain fields and among certain groups during this time. But most people - including Vivienne - didn’t think anything wrong with appropriation because it was and is so ingrained in western culture. Sorry for the long post!
@gingerleighd229
@gingerleighd229 29 күн бұрын
thanks for making my art assignment for researching an artist more bearable with this really well made and interesting video :) i love vivienne and this video helped me to learn so much more about her !!
@bymayaginzburg
@bymayaginzburg 29 күн бұрын
so glad to hear that! If you need to find any of the references, make sure to check the description 😊
@gingerleighd229
@gingerleighd229 29 күн бұрын
@@bymayaginzburg thankyou!!
@Iamtheoneiteach
@Iamtheoneiteach 2 ай бұрын
Taken too long? You were dealing with a concussion and were sick. You need to take all the time you need to rest and recover. Your health and wellbeing are #1and if you don’t have that all else suffers. Loved this podcast episode ❤️‍🔥
@nommh
@nommh 3 ай бұрын
Wow, ‘same princess, different planet’ a great sartorial maxim!
@nicolebuuck4553
@nicolebuuck4553 3 ай бұрын
loved this video, thank you!
@kalyssaromero8343
@kalyssaromero8343 3 ай бұрын
So here for this fashion history content! Thank uuu
@bymayaginzburg
@bymayaginzburg 3 ай бұрын
@@kalyssaromero8343 thank you! New episode coming next week :)
@magentaelogy
@magentaelogy 3 ай бұрын
“Airing on the side of caution” was def not her style. Love the video!
@espeon871
@espeon871 3 ай бұрын
Also awesome video! Very informative and i love the more socio political exploration of the world in which her art existed too i love how indepth this is with her history and history of her inspiration Also note on appropriation, its not just adopting a culture's items into one's art. Its when you take something and "pervert it", eg qipao. Making a qipao inspired item and crediting chinese fashion history is appreciation, sexualising it and not crediting the culture from where it came is appropriation. Same with closed practices. Esp if the appropriator is one who has more systemic power to influence. Its the power dynamics and the mutual consent of mutual understanding. Im a loyal fan now within 30 minutes.
@bymayaginzburg
@bymayaginzburg 3 ай бұрын
what a lovely and insightful comment! Glad you enjoyed, more episodes coming soon :)
@Coderevival
@Coderevival 3 ай бұрын
Your channel is a gem
@valloriebarnes9800
@valloriebarnes9800 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video!!!!
@bxbyredhead9912
@bxbyredhead9912 3 ай бұрын
I love this series I hope u keep it up
@laura_aura
@laura_aura 3 ай бұрын
Great work
@etiennedyer355
@etiennedyer355 3 ай бұрын
❤!!
@cmaden78
@cmaden78 3 ай бұрын
Yeahhh he was a dick. Sorry. Imagine what she could have accomplished with a loving supportive partner 😢❤
@andrewjones9991
@andrewjones9991 Ай бұрын
16:20 "art is eternally self-referential and policing it is against the very nature of art" girl... THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST DID! Galliano for Dior, Gaultier in his prime, Westwood, McQueen...wouldn't have their most iconic collections if they listened to your pontification about cultural appropriation. You think you're virtue signalling how sensitive you are to marginalized groups but you're really just stifling creativity and setting up a slippery slope argument where the inverse could happen and westerners could gatekeep western fashion from the rest of the world.
@bymayaginzburg
@bymayaginzburg Ай бұрын
Not sure if you watched the rest of the discussion on this, but I actually agree with you. However I do believe it is valuable to include context, and I don’t think this gate keeps or stifles it by encourage crediting and appreciating the inspiration. I think it enriches art to carry on its evolution without forgetting its past! 😊
@andrewjones9991
@andrewjones9991 Ай бұрын
@@bymayaginzburg I did watch the rest. I'm surprised you agree with me. You also said something like, the line between inspiration and appropriation is razor thin and I would err on the side of caution. That doesn't really convey agreement. This mentality of being afraid of offending is probably one of the main reasons why current fashion is boring and there's not a lot of unique POVs. And that's just my opinion on it.
@bymayaginzburg
@bymayaginzburg Ай бұрын
@@andrewjones9991 I think the line is thin, and erring on the side of caution is taking the space to reference and research the history of your inspiration. Perhaps I could have said it in more words, but I think that if you’re not willing or able to respect and pay homage your inspiration properly, you might as well not do it. Even outside of cultural things (art styles, design aesthetics, literature, music etc), not crediting those who came before you is in equally poor taste, just not as controversial. At the end of the day, it is up to each artist to be able to respect themselves and their own work within their sphere. These are my personal feelings upon it. We all answer to ourselves in the end right?
@Viviano_Magami
@Viviano_Magami 2 ай бұрын
Sad, her brand is dead now.. despite co-deign with her husband, Andrea didnt do her justice and he make her brand look like worse.
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