From Scrap to Stock: Pulling Wire

[@AceBullion]

I appreciate this was over a year ago, but thank you for the information. I am AceBullion, self taught, I started a few years ago. I progressed from making simple graphite pours ( all hallmarked ) to complex designs. I am now moving and challenging myself with new skills. So thank you. This was rather educational

[@patrickosullivan4354]

What an outstanding series! You just covered an entire semester's worth of my jewellery degree in less than an hour.

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@@patrickosullivan4354 Um, where do I sign up for the twerking classes for earning that kind of money? I'm ready to start I think.

[@sandrasherman7666]

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[@RioGrande1944]

Thank you for the kind words, Sandra! We are glad you liked the video.

[@sharon3530]

Wouwww! I’ve never seen everything in these series explained SO WELL! You answered of the questions I’ve ever had! You can bet I’ll be playing them over and over while I do them myself. 🎶 I’m a happy girl I’m a happy happy girl! Thanks so much!

[@chriscook6285]

An INSANE amount of work, But I have to admit that following your method here made the best wire ever for me today. 🙏🙏🙏

[@RioGrande1944]

We are glad it worked for you.

[@iliketurtles2993]

Well made, thanks for helping I wasn’t sure what pliers to use!

[@BlueLineofthesky]

YOU Sir, are an excellent teacher. Thank you!

[@barbkaper5689]

Excellent series (3) of videos! Great instructor! Thank you!

[@geeder9086]

Really excellent videos -- you cover so many points that others seem unaware of.

[@Max-ek4dn]

Thank you, you really are the only information on this proccess i could find on yt and it is very well made

[@AngelaKaySams]

Thank you John! I learned many useful tips in this series. You are a fantastic teacher! More, please.

[@HellHoundOne]

Damn guy. You make it look easy, and give me hope ❤

[@alicerosa6766]

Thank you so much for this video, I really needed to know all the information you give us. Keep up your great work 👏 👍.

[@RioGrande1944]

Excellent. Thank you!

[@marcfruchtman9473]

Fascinating. Thank you for making this video.

[@beautifulsmall]

I like your folked tounge filing platform.

[@Plant_Parenthood]

Wow, you manage to make the process seem like it isn't frustrating! That's impressive. My hands are bruised and cut and bleeding and full of little silver splinters.

[@Jezza586]

Huge thumbs ups. Such a helpful video, THANK YOU JOHN!!

[@RioGrande1944]

Jasmine G, thank you for watching!

[@Hana12345]

Excellent video, thank you!

[@randymurray934]

This information in invaluable, thanks for sharing

[@tracybrunet1375]

Thank you this was so informative.

[@RioGrande1944]

You are so welcome!

[@PaulLeMay3218]

Great information. Thank you for sharing. 🇨🇦❤️

[@oneshotme]

Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up

[@johnlowry1055]

good wire pulling details

[@RioGrande1944]

Thank you we appreciate the support! 🙂

[@Caimille]

Thanks so much for this video!

[@DreidMusicalX]

Hey thanks so much for this information in the video. I am still learning while I create stones and get my other equipment. I am just now this week getting my milling machine and have got a lot of other stuff I needed. I would like to ask if possible what are you using in the pan where you placed your wire to anneal it? Is that a special stone that is not toxic when it gets hot? Or is it an entire unit you can buy?

[@ratedEG]

Thanks

[@RioGrande1944]

You're welcome!

[@simes333]

It was fascinating thanks so much

[@RioGrande1944]

Thank you for watcing we appreciate you support!

[@bassoongal7879]

I've been doing this for the past few days with 14k yellow gold wire to make laser wire that is .20 mm thick. It's satisfying, yet tiring

[@HellHoundOne]

Wow. Did you video this? Would be awesome to see.

[@ryangramb2294]

Hello , ty for teaching me stuff

[@RioGrande1944]

It is our pleasure!

[@shibbidydoowop]

Thank you!

[@RioGrande1944]

You are welcome!

[@Rachieroxapples]

I have heard when pulling metal through the rolls, one should put it through the same direction everytime. In your video, you mention that you change direction every second roll. Does this really helprather than hinder? Please explain. Thank you 😊

[@darrenstettner5381]

I’m just having a hard time making a point thin enough to go through the draw plate that doesn’t tear off when I clamp the pliers on and pull it.

[@Rachieroxapples]

I have a new plate and when I pull silver through, it scrapes and cuts the silver instead of squeezing it. I am using lubricant and the wire is anealed. Do you have any suggestions to fix this or is it because the draw plate is rubbish? Thank you 😊

[@mciuan]

How long of a wire and at what gauge did that make?

[@kevinmcleod6329]

Are there rolling mills that roll out round stock vs. having to reduce a square to a round?

[@RioGrande1944]

Yes, there definitely are round rolling mills, www.riogrande.com/product/durston-130mm-full-round-combination-rolling-mill/113244

[@damnimsolucky7]

So cool 😎

[@RioGrande1944]

We are glad you liked it!

[@martinh.4007]

Why didnt you use your roller mill to the finest groove but started using drawplate?

[@Sungaze-px3rb]

Draw plates, can make wires from scrap metal. Copper is just one type. Though that will begin again. Iron is everywhere. I like hemp plastics and they're also conducive so alot of experiments need to occur but we're going to keep our tech. And advance this world into the cosmos, not stone age. And each person isn't an island, think village and collective talents.

[@pijnto]

Why roll the ingot square instead of round?

[@MikeG-js1jt]

how much 20 gauge wire can i make with a .25" diameter 3" long ingot.............. is there an online calculator for this?

[@jmiller046]

If I have a fire stained piece of metal, can I re-cast the whole thing to get rid of it?

[@polosandoval]

You most certainly can.

[@nanlay629]

Hi I pulling the silver wire 4mm 925 silver pulling with winch the (tungsten carbide)draw plate hole is crack why.I using wax and oil

[@janadubcova92]

Why not hammer the tip of the we're to fit it through the draw plate? Is it possible?

[@RioGrande1944]

Mainly because the material is much smaller, using a hammer becomes a difficult process to get a good taper. Filing is a quick and easy option to get the needed taper for the draw plate without the need for very careful hammering.

[@BuildingPersephone]

I'm using a Durston draw plate and tongs and I have a terrible time with the leader end constantly snapping off as I pull the wire through. What is going wrong?

[@RioGrande1944]

Hello, thank you for the question. Here is a response from our tech team: You could be clamping too tightly and kind of smashing the end, its not uncommon. Also you should go in order and not skip any holes that will be smoother from step to step. You could try annealing a little more often. Also take a close look at the wire and make sure it doesn’t have any micro cracks or Fissures

[@BuildingPersephone]

@@RioGrande1944 Hi, thanks for the advice. Sadly I am doing all of that already. I'm using the tension draw tongs, which only clamp when pulled and so the force of the clamp is directly related to the force of the pull (which is very gingerly applied). Also, not only am I not skipping holes, but I've started running the wire through the same hole two or three times before moving on, just to make sure it gets rounded evenly. I'm also anealling more or less every other hole (I have done it with less anealling and it doesn't seem to matter either way). I think what might be happening though is that the square edges of the rod are curling over in a burr and forming a void in the wire, which is weakening it. So, I'll try to round them out a little more as I go.

[@TheSilverSmithsBench1]

I have reached this level. I made a bench draw plate wire puller. I’ll be earning my way to a proper draw plate wire puller.

[@haydenquakenbush8626]

What in the world!! I can't draw wire to save my life! My billet is way smaller than this starting out and no matter how hard I pull it won't draw. My silver snaps before it ever pulls through, I bought a hand wench because when I tried pulling by hand there was just no use, but the wench just pulls the silver apart, regardless if my silver is freshly annealed or work hardened. Can the draw plate just be junk? I've made rings, have never had any issues with soldering or any other techniques that I've learned, but I want to make a chain but it is not going well so far! Lol

[@RioGrande1944]

Hello Hayden, we can't say anything for certain about your particular draw plate, but there are indeed good and not-so-good versions out there. Draw plates with tungsten inserts are easier to pull through, especially larger gauge material, and especially by hand. A draw bench makes the process exponentially easier, almost effortless. The taper you give the the end of the wire is very important, and a longer more gradual taper will really help. Also make sure you are not trying to make too much of a reduction at one time. As far as the billet breaking, are you using good clean silver without solder contamination? How many times has the silver been recycled? If more than a couple times and you are sure there is no solder contamination, try recasting with at least 50% new material. And lastly, when you start the pull the wire, DO NOT STOP! If you stop before the wire is finished, you might never get it re-started. We hope this helps, and please let us know if you have any other questions.

[@napalmholocaust9093]

I disagree with your assertion that any cast metal will have a very large grain structure. Cooling speed is the cause. If you can quench metals fast enough the crystals will be small. Alloys also can have an effect on nucleation. Especially eutectics.

[@polosandoval]

I anneal the ingot after casting anyway to be sure.

[@HellHoundOne]

@@polosandoval interesting 🤔

[@marcussmart3275]

You spoke a high cou

[@krishnachains7352]

You are not a professional