From the Prosperity Gospel to Catholicism - CHNetwork Presents, Episode 30

[@St_Pablo298]

I cannot express just how close to home her comments come. I can definitely corroborate the sentiment that coming out of a more charismatic/word of faith background involves a near deprogramming. It threatened the very foundation upon which my Christian faith was based. I’m thankful that the Lord led me into the Catholic Church. I’m thankful to hear stories like hers and seeing God work in the lives of other people like myself. Her story is very inspiring.

[@cominghomenetwork]

So grateful to hear that this conversation helped you. Blessings to you on your journey!

[@Elizabeth-mp6tr]

Dear Lisa: I hear your sufferings from your past! But I see the joy in your smile as you speak of the Catholic Church! Lisa, you touch my heart and bring me to tears as you speak of our priests! Beautiful!

[@cominghomenetwork]

Lisa is a treasure!

[@Gary-s7o]

I went to a Pentecostal church with my mom.Then my mom passed away.I started to drift away from the church after a friend of mine who was a devout Catholic passed away.This was after I talked to a friend in the Episcopal church where I was going.Long story short,we both entered the Catholic Church at the same time.

[@Spinachtiger]

Lisa, thank you. You're saying the right things. I'm so happy you found the Catholic church. I was part of a NAR church that grew from shepherding movement. After I got out it took me a year to de-program, five years to heal. I'm back in Catholic church and I'm grateful. I learned some good things, but it took years to undo some of the learning. They would threaten us if we wanted to leave the church that we would out of God's will.

[@simplyregina5364]

So happy for her. God and His Most Holy Mother Bless her and keep her company on her journey.

[@cominghomenetwork]

Amen!

[@Anon.5216]

The Church has always said that converts make the best catholics. So true. Great testimony and teaching. Thank you.

[@kathleen2596]

Great conversation

[@desperateforhim1816]

Oh Lisa right here with you. My experience exactly for the last 40 years. I reverted back to the church with all my disillusionment but my wife refuses to come into the church. To her I have gone “backwards” in my faith. I go with her to the Charismatic church still and go to mass on my own. I will say the Pastor of the Charismatic church has a very positive view of Catholicism and still maintains relationships with the priest and nuns of his youth. He was not raised as a Catholic at all though. If you are not healthy wealthy and wise there must be something wrong with you. I saw one preacher open the Bible to where Paul says “ above all I hope that you would prosper”. He shut the Bible and said that’s the whole Bible right there.

[@johnosumba1980]

Just pray for her, remember it is God who draws people to himself and knows why your wife is still there.

[@grandmasgarden6402]

Thank you, Matt.

[@petercittadini4685]

Hi Lisa. I thank God that your finally saw the true light and became Catholic. I struggle to believe that these Pastors are sincere. If they tell you someone grew a leg back, where is the scientific evidence? Like you see in the Catholic Church (whenever the supernatural has taken place in the Catholic Church the evidence has to be examined and proved) The Holy spirit will give the gift of Prudence if you ask for it, that gift safe guards you from all these false Preachers. I am a cradle Catholic and have spent years studying the Protestant faiths, what a shamble and disunity they have caused. I love these people as my brothers and sisters and constantly pray for them. There is ONLY ONE TRUE FAITH and CHURCH that CHRIST installed over 2000 years ago, ( THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ) the evidence is there to read and inform you. The MIRACLES within the Catholic Church are tested for authenticity and it takes years to be approved, we have some 150 cases of incorruptible bodies ( Padre Pio, Bernadette ) just to start the ball rolling. In the Church we are taught not to chase the miracles but deepen your faith and intimacy with Christ through the Eucharist. The Eucharist, is the most POWERFUL MIRACLE ever know to humanity, it SAVES, TRANSFORMS, HEALS and is your counsellor throughout your life. YOU NEED NOTHING ELSE GOD FIRST the materials things will follow according to HIS WILL not ours. God Bless Peter

[@gbil393]

Thank you very much for the interview. Just a humble observation: I understand that this is to warn other people about the danger of these groups, so similar to sects, but I would have really liked to hear more about Lisa's path of conversion to the Catholic Church. I believe that conversions speak to us more than anything else about the infinite Mercy of God. They are always a great miracle.

[@cominghomenetwork]

Thanks for your comment! This episode is actually a follow up to an interview we did with her about her story. Here's where you can view that interview about her personal path to the Catholic Faith: chnetwork.org/journey-home/lisa-cooper-former-word-of-faith/

[@gbil393]

@@cominghomenetwork Oh, I get it. I will see it now. You are very kind. Thanks a lot again. Update: I went to the video and immediately remembered that I had already seen it. And that I regretted that almost nothing had been said about her conversion. Then, I read this comment on your site, with which I fully agree: "This would be an excellent 2 part episode. Would love to hear the details of the entry into the Church!"

[@mariaavalo4532]

at the beginning of the video he said she gave her testimony on another interview. I believe this is her second time on his chanel.

[@gbil393]

@@mariaavalo4532 He also explained it here, in his answer from several days ago. Thank you so much

[@yeothong3421]

Your talk of suffering is so real & beneficial to me. I hope I can master it to tell my Catholic - turned - Protestant friend in my cell group who says there is no cross in our life. Thanks Lisa & Matt. wyeo.

[@johnchacko1425]

lapsed catholic

[@edalvarez4723]

I was right on Lisa's Journey Home program's comments, that Lisa had more to say! I am perplexed of how WoF mimic catholic practices and truths mixed with subtle lies! I would encourage Lisa to write a book about these WoF vs Catholic contrasts. Excellent programme. Thanks to both 🙏

[@edalvarez4723]

@@Charity-vm4bt thanks for your comment and defence. However I find it a bit contradicting. Why WOF needs a thought process to read the Bible (a religious book) if it avoids “religious language”? Why you argue that Catholics are afraid to think if WOF needs a process to read and understand (think) the Bible? The Catholic Church is a 2000 years treasure and perhaps if you are unfamiliar with St Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologiae, you should read it (written 800 years ago), if you are not afraid. Also read the “Fathers of the Church” and the saints. You may learn that Catholics do think and discern deeply. God bless 🙏🏼

[@edalvarez4723]

@@Charity-vm4bt with all respect and love you did not answer my questions. Lisa doesn’t sound as confused as “Catholics” in my opinion 🙂. See, Love cannot be separated from Truth and the Truth is that the only True Church is the Catholic as it is the only one founded by Christ, 2023 years ago. Jesus’ authority was given to Peter (the first Catholic Pope) and all successors, and our Church has two + one healing sacraments (confession, anointing of the sick, + Eucharist) instituted directly by Christ. For us Christ is the only healer (saviour), not a WOF or any human made theology or healing approach. We understand the power of the Word because the Word is made flesh in each Holy Mass. In other words, the True Catholic Church is the only one that holds fullness of the Word (Christ), because Love (Christ) heals. I pray that all WOF people can reach the fullness of the Truth and Love as Lisa did. God bless 🙏🏼

[@Gary-s7o]

Before I became a Catholic I spoke to the pastor at my church about my decision.She told me,"Your mother wouldn't like it".She was trying to tell me what to do.The pastor was well intentioned.I can relate to your story.

[@CRIM479]

Madame, you have enriched and restored my faith this day. Thank you.

[@marcihf217]

Thank you for sharing your story and Welcome Home ❤

[@lauradewein2042]

I understand exactly what she is saying. Was raised Catholic and got into wof back in the late 70s early 80s. Back to Catholic after searching for the truth. Or the true church. I was confused by the wof teaching and i struggled with reading and praying until I became grounded in Catholic faith again. But it’s still a process. Yes like a cult

[@rhwinner]

Wow, this is eye opening. My neighbor occasionally speaks about her pastor and the Church she attends (through the internet - she doesn't actually attend in person). She uses very similar verbiage to what your guest is talking about. However, I had no frame of reference to categorize it as Word of Faith, which I'd never heard of. Now, it's all beginning to click. Especially as her pastor (as she's told me) drives a Rolls Royce. When she told me that, I thought it was weird, but did not connect it to the prosperity gospel. Now, it's all starting to make sense. Thank you for your interview.

[@ginacaluscusin9172]

Welcome home guys hope you will be filled with the Holy Spirit to be a living witness to Gods power

[@gentlegiants1974]

This lady truly sparkles. Radiance.

[@timothyproffit2026]

Im right in sinc with you. I am glad and humbled to have woken up and left the WOF and brought into Catholicism ❤

[@deenaorrsnest9272]

Thank you for sharing Lisa. I was there too. It is so wonderful to find the foundation of our faith and the truth of our Mother Mary.

[@atrifle8364]

Great episode, thanks!

[@carloscabanero606]

Praise the Lord... Thank you Lord...

[@bwoutchannel6356]

so sincere and lovely.

[@Anon.5216]

As a catholic I got involved with the charismatic movement. It has caused me a lot of damage because the leaders were ignorant of the faith and no Priest was able to check them out because nobody would tell on them, mainly because they don't know their faith anyway. If led by a Priest u are safe but Priests are too scarce so it is led by lay "leaders". I will never go back. I love the Catholic Church - which thank God I never left.

[@kimnguyen-bd6yp]

This was a great episode

[@BBShaw-cd9wz]

Thank you

[@johnxland9373]

Would be great if you could interview Lizzie Reezay she has an amazing conversion story.

[@stephenjohnson7915]

I noticed that at least some of the leaders in this movement experienced some severe trauma in the past that they just couldn’t reconcile with a loving God, so to keep their faith and sanity they decided the event happened because they didn’t have enough faith. I remember Fred Price talking about how his little son was run over and killed, and how he was never going to let the Devil do something like that again. It’s almost understandable from that perspective, and very sad.

[@ramonam9251]

Thank goodness

[@thirdparsonage]

Great to hear from this woman, and that she came into the Catholic Church! I'm a Catholic Convert, but also fairly Charismatic. I've had relatives in the Word of Faith movement and also read a decent amount about the movement. I understand and agree with many of her criticisms. I would say, however, that many of her critiques could also be leveled at Catholics as well. Most people would say that a flying friar (Joseph of Cupertino) is an utterly ridiculous miracle to believe (yet I'm pretty sure it happened). There have also been prophetic words which have not come to pass by visionaries or supposed visionaries. I'm not saying all of her critiques fall flat. I certainly agree that their theology is a bit skewed, the ostentatious lifestyle of many leaders is scandalous, and the sometimes cult like behavior is quite troubling. I just think it's best to critique a steelmanned version of whatever we're analyzing and making sure the thing we're criticizing is particular to that movement and not something our own movement has struggled with.

[@kevinjonardo8977]

Great 👍

[@judymlowder]

I really appreciate this. I would love her to explain that when she talks about their confession, that they use the word “confession” differently than Catholics do.

[@lisacooper739]

Confession in the WOF sense is about creation of reality through words. Think of it as positive affirmations that manifest reality. As Catholics, we confess our sins through the sacrament of reconciliation-a completely different practice with a spirit of humility. 😊

[@joolz5747]

Hi there! Many years ago when this was in full blast I was friends with several people who were involved. I am Catholic and I never left Catholicism. But these people we’re doing just what you said they would not say anything negative…they work their words out so that it would only speak good stuff. It really sounded funny to me because it wasn’t reality. But these people also were Catholic and they were combining it into their Catholic faith. So I went to some of their worship services and things in their homes, etc. I thought it was very strange anyway. I never left my faith but I still was worshiping God. But this is very interesting and I hope this goes out to all the people who were duped by it. J. Osteen still does it I am I right? Everybody likes a happy environment and a positive outlook. And that’s what these people give when things are going bad. They say everything’s really going to be good. So it’s easy to see why people get into it. I think it’s very important to be upbeat and know that Jesus Christ is with you and helping you through something and maybe he will heal you.. I know that a friend of mine had cancer and we went and I joined them to see Joel Osteen. His wife wanted to cheer him up and take him at least positive and not so sad and depressed. That was OK in my opinion. It was very upbeat and uplifting. But it didn’t cost me to leave my face at all. I just knew it was something different and it didn’t hurt him. I just gave him a little joy one day.

[@spinninginspace]

46:25 i got chills.... Sounds cliche but you know that's the devil lying to these separated Christians. Of course he'd want to keep us from the crucifixion. All day long we're tempted to take the 'easy' way out "come down from your cross, its too hard, dont suffer, why try so hard, live ur life like how YOU want". Psalm 4:7-8 🙏🏼❤️🔥

[@PInk77W1]

Jesus said My flesh is real food. Jn 6

[@amazonwater7778]

Is amazing how many people are going back to Catholicism, is because there’s holiness and healing by god the father the Holy Spirit and lord Jesus Christ. Where Jesus is Mary is also.

[@rosiegirl2485]

Is Joyce Meyers connected to these groups? I know that she believes in the prosperity gospel. I use to watch her on tv. I finally boiled her down to nothing more then an inspirational speaker and went back to my Catholic faith.

[@truthhurtsalways4u]

She is one of them ,so with Joel Osteen . If the latter will leave Lakewood Church and be replaced by a lameduck street preacher .Im pretty sure that 99% of his current flock will stop attending said church .No Joel Osteen ,no Lakewood Church .He is the CENTER of his flock worship ,not God!

[@lisacooper739]

She began her ministry firmly enveloped in WOF--some of her sermons were almost verbatim from E.W. Kenyon's books. She has moved closer to center over the years. She is still considered WOF in most circles, but she is not on the same end of the spectrum as Copeland, Duplantis, et. al.

[@Gary-s7o]

You never hear about redemptive suffering in the Word Of Faith movement.They feel if you aren't healed you don't have enough faith.

[@SonShines1]

For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God not of works lest any a should boast

[@fultoneth9869]

Prosperity gospel is the worst teaching ever invented. Thanks God ‼️

[@pololo2553]

"The Catholic Church is not a hotel for saints but a hospital for the sick" come as you are. The Eucharist is the living Lord, the same Lord that walked on water, healed the leprosy, resurected Lazarus, multiplied the bread. Sit at His feet in adoration to The Blessed Sacrament.

[@Free1inhim]

Where is that source about Kenneth Hagin saying someone dropped dead?

[@lisacooper739]

It’s in his book I BELIEVE IN VISIONS.

[@SonShines1]

Jesus is the way the truth, thank God I have Him not a religion

[@Amare-fidem-spes]

Word of faith preachers, they set themselves up like they are God. Speaking things into existence sounds very new age. I was taken in by them, too. People sold everything they had and remained broke while these pastors got richer. Read the book of Saint James chapter 2.

[@picudopr]

I could NEVER understand this theory of "PROSPERITY GOSPEL"..

[@jesusvergara3749]

The Holy Spirit only dwells and guides the Catholic Church which Jesus built. Outside the RCC teachings come from individual interpretations, philosophies and ideologies. No ministries have mastered the bible from Genesis to Revelations. All are have cafeteria faith. They pick and choose what to teach.

[@mssixty3426]

AMEN and Right on ! Well said🙏🏻💖

[@kevinpaulboucher]

If the Holy Spirit did not guide those outside the church, none of us would find our way home.

[@tomhealey8214]

I stumbled across your video last night, and my first thought about this attractive woman is that she is very intelligent. However, I must make one correction having to do with her understanding of the interior life of fallen human beings(and to give her the benefit of the doubt she may already recognize the distinction). Around 23m she mentioned a man as being very "humble". She may have realized that PSYCHOLOGICALLY some people are very nasty and others are very loveable and humble. which sounds like this guy. Nevertheless, like all things Catholic there are more profound spiritual depths which make my mystics soul rejoice. True humility is spiritual and can only come from christ. The beatific vision is our ultimate calling, and i've been shown by grace to understand life on earth and the glories of seeing God face-to-face in this way:...While alive our psychological and spiritual lives are inextricably interwoven, while those glorified souls, absolutely purified, so that every attachment to the psychological, their emotions, hopes, imagination, intellectual dualism, memory, et al. All attachment has been relinquished, so that love for God is now absolutely unconditional. as Catholics, there is no question that the prosperity gospel is in the end demonic, yet I still cannot say that their immortal souls are completely devoid of sanctifying grace. That must be left to God. God bless

[@annielamson6572]

What she is describing is an offshoot of "New Thought" which led into things like new age "manifestation".

[@mariacisneros6114]

🙏

[@herbertsaldanha5335]

Only Ordained Catholic Clergy must give their knowledge only after Celebrating the Holy Mass, spending three full hours of Adoration with our Lord Jesus Christ, King of endless Glory, praying the Holy Rosary and praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet everyday, going to confession and being available to hear the confessions of those who want forgiveness, no lay people should give their input, our Catholic Priests must follow what the Apostles and Disciples preached to the people. The Harvest is plentiful but we need faithful, dedicated Holy Labourers

[@sopad4629]

As Catholics we are supposed to be of service to others and the only way to show our true love for each other is to make sacrifices. If we follow Christ and be called Christians, carrying our cross for Jesus and others is true agape.

[@ScreamingReel500]

We were not taught to think properly (logic). "If there is no mind before the human mind, we created our own minds" which is impossible and illogical. Imagine for thousands of years, philosophers are struggling to use their mind and falsely taught people how to think. The mind is a gift from God which is intangible, as many other things as life, love, compassion...etc. Along with thinking heavily based on our emotion, we think wrong all the time. Faith is believing in God that He is Truth, and all his words are true, (not some words are true, and some words are not.) It is outrage to see well known experts used the Bible and then say it is full of contradictions. There is no self-contradiction, error or heresy in the Bible.

[@jomidiam]

Christianity is supposed to be about "Thy will be done," but WOF is about "my will be done". It's the same difference as between Christianity and witchcraft. It's humility vs. pride. I think it's an extremely dangerous theology.

[@Anon.5216]

Priests don't own aeroplanes. They only get a small wage and have to earn their wage weekly from funeral fees, marriages fees etc. In Confession Jesus DOES speak through His Priest. I know because I experienced it. I love being catholic.

[@rf3471]

Ah yes the Prosperity Gospel not only making the lives of people worse but I fundamentally believe it is a tool from Satan

[@danielrice5676]

Out of The Frying Pan into the fryer

[@pamdeam1553]

I agree with everything she is saying with this exception, Catholic visionaries claim visons of Virgin Mary and followers believe in them too and it has creates a cultish practice of Mary followes.

[@paulcapaccio9905]

Not really even the church approved apparitions need not be followed. But don’t deny the approved ones. Mary is appearing more and more now. Something is coming

[@Angela-vy5ok]

It is absolutely cultish. I worked with a few people who worshipped these ‘preachers’ and unless they were swooning and falling down’ or laughing hysterically just because a preacher told you that he brought with him the Holy Spirit .. who brought joy’ it wouldn’t be a good service. They didn’t stop to consider that these preachers didn’t bring the Holy Spirit with them.. He is with you. It is sad but I think they were looking for something in earnest, but they won’t find it unless they stop worshipping these huxters.

[@clarekuehn4372]

New Age (all œcumenical world religions true) elements + genuine mind placebo effect + Protestant rebellion about religious sacrifice + words in Bible = prosperity Gospel. 👍🏻 God bless this woman and keep her.

[@Anon.5216]

Jesus chose 12 Apostles. One betrayed Him to death. If 1/12th of the half million Priests we have betrayed Jesus, it would be thousands and it isn't anywhere near that.

[@johnchung6777]

Woe man it seems what this female has learned and believe in is totally humanism and materialism and seems totally gravitised,for it’s so blatantly clear that Jesus taught things and ways of how to be saved to enter into heaven.Jesus even says to store up treasures in heaven not here on earth for the earth is given over to Lucifer and all that Lucifer will give to those who except him and his knowledge and wisdom of evils,so that’s why Jesus Christ in the desert rejected all of what Lucifer had to offer him of all the worldly treasures and pleasures and comforts and delights and prosperity’s and allurements and enticements and so on.I’m so glad that God had opened up the spiritual eyes and ears and her spirit to understand these things

[@richardkremers]

from prosperity gospel to roman catholicism, is like going from one false church to another. you need to follow the bible (neither roman catholicism, nor prosperity does that completely). you need to accept Jesus Christ as your savior (also as the Son of God, and part of the triune God), and truly repent of your sins.

[@jonmason9360]

Notthing new here , from bad to worse.

[@SonShines1]

Not sill true. Can works save you?

[@boom-bm1kl]

Works are part of it.

[@jamesjeson6207]

Works without faith can’t save you but faith without works will keep you out of heaven. If you believe in Jesus you will feed the hungry as he told you to do.

[@Agraria-i4n]

She is easily deceived. From Charismania which is not true Protestantism to the Jesuits, Catholicism and the traditions of man.

[@johnosumba1980]

It takes some wisdom to understand Catholicism, of which you don’t have.

[@Agraria-i4n]

@@johnosumba1980 I’ve read the Jesuit oath where they admit to assasinations and killing women. John Adams wrote letters to Thomas Jefferson warning him of the subversive influence of the Jesuits who take many disguises. Abraham Lincoln also spoke against the Jesuits.

[@matthewjohnson6360]

The RCC is just as bad if NOT worse than WOF. prosperity Gospel.

[@SonShines1]

From one cult to another

[@johnosumba1980]

Poor man, when truth evades you can’t make right from wrong.

[@kevinpaulboucher]

Silly.

[@AinokeaIdowhatIlike808]

Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

Out of the prosperity gospel into the richest church in the world?

[@johnosumba1980]

@@dannisivoccia2712 what richness?

[@rolandovelasquez135]

Just by the way. "Prosperity Gospel" is an absurd term and has absolutely nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And if you want to see that kind of worldly "prosperity" just go to the Vatican.

[@katanaevelyn6813]

😂😂😂😂😂 really Protestants u make me laugh .

[@leoinsf]

The Catholic Church is really for those inactive Christians who want to "sit in a pew and let the priest do everything." The old days of people automatically following their parents' religion is over. Young people stop going to church once they move from the family home. It was truly "lack of education" that guided people to the Catholic Church. The priest was educated and people felt comfortable "sitting in a pew and letting their priest do everything. Now, most people are educated and our young people are not only educated, but unlike their parents, are NOT fearful about morality and God. Most Catholics are fearful people who love the habit-forming ways of their priests who actually encourage people to: kneel and stop being active Christians and let their priest dominate them and do everything for them. Meanwhile the Jesus focus becomes less and less in the Catholic Church and the focus becomes more and more: liturgy, catechisms, sacramentals: like candles, incense, hosts, baptismal fonts, rosaries, holy pictures, etc. Meanwhile Jesus was really non-biblical and preached to the people He met at their level. The Catholic Church is really an Old Testament Church. To say that the Catholic Church is a medieval religion is an understatement!!!

[@pamdeam1553]

it is alot like jewish faith but mixed in with new covenant. its pretty harmless except for some cultish devotinals