A Protestant Bible Scholar Discovers Catholicism - CHNetwork Presents, Episode 9

The Bible is God's Word. But what should be the criteria for interpreting it correctly?
Matt Swaim talks to Dr. Vern Steiner, who was a Protestant pastor, seminary professor and Biblical scholar, about the value of his Protestant formation in Scripture, as well as its limits, and what led him to enter the Catholic Church and create a Catholic Bible Institute to continue his work in exegesis and Biblical scholarship.
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[@kristenstudebaker814]

When I was a Protestant we were told the Holy Spirit would guide our interpretation of scripture, it wasn't until I attended a Catholic Mass that scripture made sense. The whole Mass is scripture!

[@jakeschwartz2514]

Uh oh…

[@Omi-ub3cu]

The whole holy mass is a piece of heaven on earth. Jesus is present as well as angels and saints.

[@rhwinner]

Yes, it is. And the highest form of prayer.

[@sammygomes7381]

Where in the mass does it tell us Mary was sinless?

[@johnpglackin345]

@@sammygomes7381 in Luke's Gospel. Where the Angel said to Mary hail full of Grace. To be full of Grace is to be sinless.

[@timboslice980]

I was a protestant most of my life and took my scriptural study very seriously. I was a calvinist for the majority of it even though i didnt completely understand the theology. Over the 10 years i believed it, i felt like no church had truly figured out the marriage between scripture and doctrine but Calvin was probably the closest. Still there were several problems i had with Calvinism to the point where i dropped one of the 5 points.... i couldnt stop thinking about how that point affected the other's.... eventually i lost another one. I became obsessed with finding the true church after that and was shocked to discover carholicism is by far the most biblical. I got confirmed this easter amen. Ill never leave i love being in the church. Never felt so sure and thats the truth.

[@ritamelendez9560]

Beautiful ❤️

[@sammygomes7381]

The whole mass is paganism as neither Christ nor the apostles said mass.

[@timboslice980]

@@sammygomes7381 You wouldn’t know the difference. If you did, you wouldnt say that. I dare you to watch “scott hahn, scripture in the liturgy” it will be a profound experience for you. Hahn is a former Presbyterian pastor turned catholic in the late 80s. He’s still an amazing speaker. Seriously watch that vid and see if it changes your opinion. ;)

[@albertoascari2542]

This is a great story. I am not a Cradle Catholic but a late comer baptised Anglican and in my late 20's started going to Catholic Mass and visited lots ofHistoric Catholic Churches on vacations and Shrines when I travelled, which must have been guided by the Holy Spirit. I even was visiting a Methodist friends Church but was guided to a Mass first I feel by god. I find the Catholic Church is an an hidden gem thats often overlooked and hidden for all kinds of reasons including ignorance and bigotry . I say for any none Catholics go to a Mass pray a Catholic Prayer, pray Rosary and listen to these discussions. Read this gentlemans books and get a Catholic Bible and Catechism

[@jimreilly917]

Welcome HOME.

[@MrTagahuron]

Have you attended the Ordinariate Mass?

[@clarekuehn4372]

@@MrTagahuron The Anglican non-Catholic compromise? If so, no. Nice if Anglicans to become Catholic, but Roman Catholicism is wonderful and full without the new Novus Ordo. ❤

[@Lit123ful]

Problem is so many cradle Catholics (including me) do not know about our religion. I went to Catholic grammar school and 2 years of Catholic high school, I still do not know my faith.

[@jimreilly917]

@@Lit123ful Since you are beyond high school, educating yourself…in anything…including your faith…is no one’s responsibility but your own. Your Catholic inheritance is rich and deep…dig into it. Start with RCIA if ya have to.

[@englishrose6627]

Im a convert too.from Anglicasm in the 1980s and .im still.learning it was thr scripture in Johns Gospel at the.Last Supper that o found the truth and real.meaning of the.Holy.Eucharist.

[@sopad4629]

As a Catholic, I learned that the most important for Jesus and our Father is to be a good person, make God happy, to love God number 1, and your neighbors as yourself. That is already a lot of sacrifice and humility. So our purpose really is to serve others, the sick, the hungry, the one with no shelter, etc. because when we love our brothers and others, we are returning Our Father’s love.

[@leonardgibney2997]

How do you "make God happy"? Do you think God is monitoring your every move? Are you that important? I don't think God cares personally. In my long-ish life I've had a few paranormal experiences, ghosts, poltergeists, aliens. Quite a high score really. But I'm not holy. Neither am l a sinner. Just an ordinary person. Lots of people like to think they communicate with God. Well, if it helps, why not? Me? I'm too cynical.

[@sharonthompson8061]

Maybe sin can be looked at as something that is maliciously carried out to cause harm against another that does not encourage love, compassion, honour, respect and truthfulness.

[@placidoiiialcomendras5658]

Drink His blood and eat His body first and then go serve the people

[@rhwinner]

Jew here. Now fulfilled. Love these conversion stories...

[@shihyuchu6753]

Jesus is God

[@benjamingallows]

Re-born is a much better way of putting it instead of "fulfilled". There is no "fulfilling" the appeal to the flesh or the "teachings" of the Talmud. You gotta be totally re-born coming out of that uniquely evil system. Welcome to Christ.

[@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk]

Me too, a "completed Jew." It's a miracle of God's grace and mercy that I'm Catholic, and it's a miracle of God's grace and mercy that God let the Gentiles into His very Jewish Church. God bless!

[@aadamy]

Please pray for my former Protestant pastor Dr Tim Keller who is very ill. He needs a miracle. I pray for his conversion to the catholic faith. He was a huge stepping stone for me to come home to Rome.

[@balukuroben7458]

May the Holy God Yahweh ,touch him for healing in His will ,in Jesus Mighty Name.Amen.

[@sammygomes7381]

If he is saved the Catholic church can do nothing for him. COme to think of it, even if he is not saved the catholic church can do nothing for him.

[@balukuroben7458]

@@sammygomes7381 Something you need to know ,the most historically proven miracles on record are in the Catholic church ,if one truly lives their Catholic faith there is nothing that they can not accomiplish because God has placed all the means of grace in the Church . To be specific no one can be saved without the church , atleast you need the Protestant "church". Jesus decreed I will build my church , now a church is not just a single man with feelings about Jesus , you see even after Saul encountering Jesus on the road to Damascus , the Lord Jesus did not tell Saul ,rise up your now having a personal relationship with me enjoy the grace ,let us see what he said to him: Don't forget this was a physical encounter with the risen Lord Jesus not the feel good sensation we see nowdays after saying some" sinners prayer"Acts 9:3-6,8-12,17-18 [3]As Saul was coming near the city of Damascus, suddenly a light from the sky flashed round him. [4]He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul! Why do you persecute me?” [5]“Who are you, Lord?” he asked. “I am Jesus, whom you persecute,” the voice said. [6]“But get up and go into the city, where you will be told what you must do.” [8]Saul got up from the ground and opened his eyes, but could not see a thing. So they took him by the hand and led him into Damascus. [9]For three days he was not able to see, and during that time he did not eat or drink anything. [10]There was a believer in Damascus named Ananias. He had a vision, in which the Lord said to him, “Ananias!”“Here I am, Lord,” he answered. [11]The Lord said to him, “Get ready and go to Straight Street, and at the house of Judas ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul. He is praying, [12]and in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come in and place his hands on him so that he might see again.” [17]So Ananias went, entered the house where Saul was, and placed his hands on him. “Brother Saul,” he said, “the Lord has sent me - Jesus himself, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here. He sent me so that you might see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” [18]At once something like fish scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he was able to see again. He stood up and was baptized;( Do these things make sense, THERE ARE VERY MANY WHO THINK THEY ARE SAVED ,BUT ON THE REAL DAY THEY WILL BE SHOCKED ,THAT THEY WERE SIMPLY HAVING FEELINGS)

[@sammygomes7381]

@@balukuroben7458 We are saved by grace through faith. Grace comes from God, not the church. There is no doubt in my mind that the Catholic church has the biggest list of miracles ever but knowing the history of the Catholic church I doubt their truth. I fail to see what Paul had to do with Miricale's of the Catholic church, if in fact that was the point you were trying to make, as that was from God. There is no doubt in my mind that many call themselves Christians or Catholic will miss the boat as the word of God is clear on that. That is why one should always be ready as Christ told us know one knows the day or time Christ will be returning at the rapture, not even Christ. Many blessings and a good evening.

[@balukuroben7458]

@@sammygomes7381 Yes we are saved by grace ,but that grace is only experienced trough the church , one Must encounter the grace through the church , not as a stand alone somewhere in the street , you seem to say one can be saved without the church . The church is the ark of salvation ,simple .John 17:20-21 [20]“I pray not only for them, but also for those who believe in me because of their message. [21]I pray that they may all be one. Father! May they be in us, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they be one, so that the world will believe that you sent me. Matthew 28:19-20 [19]Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, [20]and teach them to obey everything I have commanded you. And I will be with you always, to the end of the age.” ( This is the church , you have not been able to demonstrate that one can have faith without the church ,one can be saved outside the church ,one can experience grace outside the church ) Finally as I close : Matthew 16:3,18-19 [3]And early in the morning you say, ‘It is going to rain, because the sky is red and dark.’ You can predict the weather by looking at the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs concerning these times! [18]And so I tell you, Peter: you are a rock, and on this rock foundation I will build my church, and not even death will ever be able to overcome it. [19]I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven; what you prohibit on earth will be prohibited in heaven, and what you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.” John 20:21-23 [21]Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father sent me, so I send you.” [22]Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. [23]If you forgive people's sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” ( That is the church )

[@Aryalanae]

I was a born and raised a Jehovah’s Witness. Extremely anti Catholic (Christ) and then God got me out of that and I became a non denominational. Was still anti Christian but God worked on me and the night I decided to reject him as a false God he spoke to my soul. And I demanded from Jesus in a my fury that if he is real, to reveal to me his true Faith and nothing less. It was a really hard year but God converted me to the Catholic Church that I viewed as the Church of the devil and ruler of all false religion

[@worthwhilediscussion]

Praise God for your beautiful conversion. I grew up protestant but never thought of the Catholic church as being of the devil. I knew from an early age that it was something real and holy about the Holy Roman Catholic church.

[@catholicgirl2897]

welcome home, sister!

[@QuisutDeusmpc]

@Aryalanae What a wonderful conversion story. Incredibly adventurous journey in its breadth, courageously candid in its depth. Proud to have you as a sister in the faith!

[@hcho7776]

Welcome home.

[@PInk77W1]

Amazing story. I’m a cradle Catholic I can’t imagine making such a huge Change.

[@lidiasoares5675]

I am amazed at your story and am getting emotional and thankful, that your knowledge of the Scriptures and your embracing the Catholic Church open our eyes and teach us how to be more Catholic!! Thank you so much for responding to God's Call to deepen our Faith as cradle Catholics. May God bless you and your family abundantly! I liked how you said that your son fathered you in Faith, something like that when you appeared at Marcus Grodi with your son!!

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

Dr. Steiner gave a very scholarly accounting of how Jesus led him into Catholicism. He calls it a happy surrender. Amen. Well done Doctor.

[@sofianakharkongor2077]

As a mature pastor you found catholic church, your longing to know the footsteps of Jesus, you seek and find the way the Lord teaches is amazing. God bless you.

[@sammygomes7381]

I'm trying to find where the footsteps of Christ prayed to Mary.

[@user-di8vz5ec1i]

@@sammygomes7381 With all due respect, are you really?

[@sammygomes7381]

@@user-di8vz5ec1i Am I really.....................................?

[@user-di8vz5ec1i]

@@sammygomes7381 Yes, that is the question. It's a well known fact that, for anyone paying attention enough to the messages on a video that is slanted toward one faith, there is a small percentage of people who post messages, in one form or another, stating an opposite opinion with some people posting in a way that it seems they are really interested in learning about what they don't really agree with when in fact they are just there to try to goad people in and convince people to their way of understanding the topic(s) under discussion. With this in mind, your replies to Johnny G: "If they needed to know Koine Greek they all flunk because the Greek does not say Mary was full of grace, it says she was favored with grace," and "It's the Catholic church that has changed her role and does matter with salvation when one worships Mary" seem more like a person interested in criticizing than an actual openness to learning. Please correct me if I'm wrong, and If I am, then my sincere apologies.

[@sammygomes7381]

@@user-di8vz5ec1i Feel free to give me a "D" in communication skills but I'll take the "A" for truth

[@PattiS3]

Such a great story. I'm in my 4th year at Denver Biblical School. What a blessing!! I wish all the best of everything to Emmaus.

[@gigglerthan503]

Connectivity. What an essence of revelation. God bless us all!

[@irenecastelino8827]

Welcome Home. Deo Gratias.

[@Hector-sp2hv]

Don’t make the Bible more important than its message! I’m Roman Catholic, and officially joined the “family” in 2020. Keep up the great work, guys and gals!👍

[@marcihf217]

Welcome Home ❤🥰❤❤

[@annafarago2271]

I am a cradle Catholic and will die a Catholic. We have great bible studies in a parish - small group, but open to the whole large parish. I have learnt so much since joining the new parish - a lot depends on the priest and his teachings.

[@alexanderbrown2717]

Hebrews 10 KJV 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Matthew 8 KJV 14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever. 1 Corinthians 10 KJV 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. Psalm 18 2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower. Psalm 89 KJV 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

[@paulgrieve7031]

Don’t forget the gospels!!!

[@sammygomes7381]

No such thing as a cradle catholic as it is a choice one has to make but you say you will die a catholic. The real question is, are you saved? Being Catholic has nothing to do with salvation.

[@alexanderbrown2717]

@@paulgrieve7031 ♥️ Romans 2 KJV 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 1 Corinthians 15 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 2 Corinthians 4 KJV 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Galatians 1 KJV 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[@QuisutDeusmpc]

@@sammygomes7381 You are equating "salvation" with making a choice, as if the heart of the Gospel is a fundamentalist altar call. That may be the 'tradition' you grew up in, but it doesn't make it the faith Jesus Christ founded. Catholics are "saved". Why? Because Jesus Christ became Incarnate as a human being, lived a sinless life, dies a Paschal death, and most importantly, rose again from the dead and ascended into heaven. Our "salvation" isn't so much our 'choice' (which was the unbalanced teaching of Pelagius) as it is CHRIST'S FINISHED WORK. To be sure, we are meant, personally, to participate in Christ's finished work, but even that is something that comes to us from without, through the Church. Jesus said we are 'born from ABOVE' (and actually corrects Nicodemus when he mistranslates the word Christ uses as 'again': 'how can a man climb back into his mother's word and be born a second time' / again). That birth comes 'from above' FROM God THROUGH the Church in our baptism as both Jesus (cf. John 3: 3-5) and Sts. Peter (Acts 2: 38-39 & I Peter 3: 18-22) and Paul taught (Romans 6: 2-6; Col. 2: 9-15; Titus 3: 4-8, not to mention I Cor. 3: 8, 16 & I Cor. 6: 19). Pope Leo the Great famously said, "What was visible in our Savior, has passed over into His mysteries" (meaning the sacraments of the Church). This is the constant teaching of Jesus Christ, His Apostles, and the saints of the Church.

[@henrytimpson8880]

I am amazed by the learning of most Protestant Pastors and their extensive knowledge of the Bible, however I wonder how they seem to ignore the actual political history of the 16 and 17 centuries. The ruling classes IE. The Monarchs and Aristocracy actually stole the religion of the common people plus the wealth of the church, all for their own greed and aggrandisement. And boy did they succeed.😅The Tudors in England and the Princelings in Germany have a great sin to answer for. Thank God my forebears were able to escape these schismatics and remained true to the Barque of Peter. To my Protestant friends I please, please read and study actual history as well as the Bible.

[@PInk77W1]

Sweet Jesus

[@jennywal7552]

I love watching Journey Home

[@marietheresa7866]

Me, as well. Marcus Grodi, the affable host, is himself a former Baptist Minister. His son, too, is also a great anchor, stepping in for his Dad, at times.

[@stephenler3850]

Very Inspiring Testimony 👏👏👏 LORD JESUS AND BLESSED MOTHER MARY , BLESS YOU BOTH GENTLEMEN.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@yeothong3421]

I think Dr. V. Steiner is an honest & humble man despite being very learned in scripture. I hope to pick up some pointers to help me convince my Catholic friends who have been swayed by protestants in my home country, Singapore.

[@doveboyz857]

Bless you both 🙏 ❤️ !

[@merseabless8305]

Excellent, God Bless

[@filiposamunaka3]

Beautiful

[@christianleblanc2842]

Some excellent observations.

[@richardbenitez1282]

I remember some catholic guy saying he was so surprised that upon reading much of the New Testament that the Bible was so catholic. I find the same. What ever I read my total catholic outlook shines out. Especially references re the Eucharist. Protestant interpretations seems like purposeful distortions.

[@anthonythistle1465]

Actually it's Jewish, it's never been catholic

[@QuisutDeusmpc]

@@anthonythistle1465 I think you don't understand what the word 'catholic' means. You contrast it with 'Jewish' as if catholic is an ethnic, factional term. In reality it comes from two Greek words which are in the sacred Scriptures: 'kata holos'. In Greek, 'kata' literally means 'according to', and 'holos' literally means 'the whole'. So, 'kata holos' (in Greek) or 'catholic' (in its English transliteration) means 'according to the whole' or 'universal'. It is found throughout the NT. In the Gospels, although Jesus states His primary ministry is to the 'lost sheep of Israel', we find Him preaching in Galilee of "the Gentiles" and in the Decapolis (the 'ten cities' which were primarily a Gentile dominated area). In addition, when the first Gentiles come to Christ, seeking Him, He announces that "the time" has arrived. In the Epistles, St. Paul states Jesus Christ "breaks down the dividing wall" that divides Hebrews from non-Jewish Gentiles, making of both "one": "there is no longer Jew nor Greek" over and over. And doesn't Jesus Christ pray to the Father, on the night of His betrayal and crucifixion, in His high priestly prayer: "that they may ALL be ONE". The NT 'ekklesia' (assembly / Church) isn't to be a demographically primarily Jewish community, but a UNIVERSAL one of BOTH Jew AND Gentile. In other words, 'according to the whole' of the human race, or 'universal. In other words, 'catholic'.

[@marcihf217]

I remember hearing a man say he was raised Catholic but never read the Bible. He started reading the Bible and became Protestant. He started really diving into the Bible and went back to being Catholic. 🤗🥰❤

[@marcihf217]

@@QuisutDeusmpc Thank you. Wonderful explanation.

[@gracianomendoza8671]

What I don’t understand is how these protestant apologists deny the existence of a church when in Matthew 16:18 it is very clear Jesus will establish a church, further pointing to it in Matthew 18:15ff. Evident in its existence in Acts 1:1 until its end.

[@wallamboklahong9125]

I also felt that as God teaches and speaks for the good of His people in the OT, here in the Catholic Church too, what ever is written in the Scripture, God seems to be speaking to His only Church, and nothing else, that's why I turn to God in my daily prayers and Rosary, that Father will keep me in His grace and that I don't go astray from Him apart.

[@jeemaiparevi9506]

Welcome home 🏘️

[@terry383]

Fascinating window from outside to inside the RC church..

[@colonelcorn4u]

Great Video! This guy needs to write a book! Does anyone have any recomendations in this same vein of thought?

[@brookside109]

I am a cradle Catholic and like most young people fell away. I never left, bc I knew that the Church was the true church and never thought about changing to another church. So in my 30's I started my journey back and read a lot of books from people who join the Church. Scott Hahn is a great former Protestant preacher who wrote lots of books which are great explaining concepts that non Catholics and Catholics don't understand.

[@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk]

Dr. Brant Pitre has written wonderful books, such as Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist. I highly recommend these for understanding how the Old Testament is fulfilled in the New Testament.

[@CatholicMartin]

Fantastic presentation. Thank you. As a side observation, when I read the anti-Catholic comments, especially from EX-Catholics, it always strikes me how angry they are. Like who hurt you? With whom are you so angry? Praying for charity.

[@Dienekes678]

Agreed. It's just proof that they haven't found true peace in faith yet. Nor will they until they understand Catholicism.

[@SuperIliad]

A section of the NT that is often passed over for its deeper meanings is Acts 8:27 to 35. We find a eunuch reading Scripture. Obeying “the Spirit,” Philip, runs up and hears him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asks, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And the eunuch answers, “How could I, unless someone guides me?” “Please tell me,” he asks Philip, “of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself, or of someone else?” The Apostle, a bishop and rightful interpreter of Holy Writ, acts as the magisterium in providing a right construal.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

The Eunuch did not yet have the Holy Spirit and he is just one person, it doesn't follow that because one person didn't understand before having received the Spirit that others can't understand.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

John 12:46 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

1 John 2:27 the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

[@balukuroben7458]

@@Adam-ue2ig Is there any one who recieved the Holy Spirit without the church ?

[@SuperIliad]

@@Adam-ue2ig if all it took to comprehend Scriptures, there wouldn't be thousands of Protestant sects.

[@errolugdamina815]

If you thoroughly read and understand the New Testament Scriptures, you shall find that the Catholic Church was the New Testament Church built by the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew16:18-19) upon the Apostle Simon Peter, the 1st Pope.

[@wjm5972]

how so?

[@tomsutube51]

The early church fathers some knew Jesus Himself compiled and understood the bible as such have correctly interpreted the bible. All later interpretation is incorrect and some downright false.

[@sammygomes7381]

The whole Roman Catholic structure is based on three false presuppositions concerning Peter: 1. That the text of Matthew 16:16-20 means that Peter was the foundation of the Church; that the Church was built on him; 2. That Peter went to Rome and was the first bishop in Rome; 3. That Peter's successors are the bishops of Rome under the primacy of the Pope. (It is worth mentioning here, that the list of Popes concocted by Rome is a fable. In its humble beginning, the church at Rome was guided by a plurality of elders, and not one single bishop. Then throughout its latter history, as two, even three, concurrent Popes vied for the throne, intrigue and deceit crowned the victor.) There were no popes for several hundred years.

[@johnyang1420]

Google “list of popes” to see popes going back to Peter

[@ricardocineus3799]

@@sammygomes7381 Keep making things without proper proper knowledge smh

[@maggie_codes]

"If God commands me under pain of eternal damnation to believe all that He has taught, He is bound to give me the means to know what He has taught. And the means that God gives me must have been at all times within the reach of all people, must be adapted to the capacities of all intellects, must be an infallible means to us, so that if a man makes use of it he will be brought to a knowledge of all the truths that God has taught." "It is not the private interpretation of the Bible that has been appointed by God to be the teacher of man, but the Church of the Living God." Father Damen, “Church or the Bible”

[@clarekuehn4372]

You said the New Testament isn't changed. Well, actually, Luther almost threw out James and he changed "faith (fide)" to "sola fide" in one part.

[@ContendingEarnestly]

Prove that comment please. Cite your source where Luther removed anything. We'll wait.

[@ContendingEarnestly]

@@clarekuehn4372 You know people simply make it up as they go when they make a claim that they can't back up. Then tell the other person to go look it up. You made a claim, i challenge it and i'm supposed to go dig up your proof? Provide some documentation where Luther removed anything from the bible. And if wikipedia is your best scholarly source then you've already thrown in the towel.

[@lois2997]

@@ContendingEarnestly prove that you aren’t whiny little crybaby you can’t, constantly whining about Catholics grow up

[@silveriorebelo2920]

there are lots of protestant translations that are taylored to express their ideology, not at all respecting the litteral sense

[@Eternity0815]

Not PERFECT people are in it but the religion is perfect. That's why I am in.😊

[@FiatMihiSecundumVerbum]

Bad audio, couldn't finish watching

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

Do protestants have actual holy people that live their lives like the Catholic saints, or are they all just trying to lean on their own understanding? Genuine question.

[@zealousideal]

They do…but however, they all are in different denominations and many disagree with each other. But yes we had powerful holy men of God we looked up to and gleaned from many who performed miracles, healings and wonders too. We didn’t also call them Saints either. They would just call them “Great men of God” or “God’s Generals”. Lol. But they don’t have a consensus or magisterium to agree theologically, we just glean from their great faith and love of God, holiness, and power of God in their lives. But yes, essentially we were still left to our own understandings Bcz of this (though many do also follow their doctrines and theology). We also didn’t pray to them or venerate them.

[@essafats5728]

@@zealousideal interesting. Could u plz name some of these men (no women?). I guess it's not on a "universal" level?

[@zealousideal]

@@essafats5728 Yes, absolutely I can. They ARE on the universal level, but maybe sometimes only recognized within certain denominations. For example, within Pentecostal/Evangelical/or charismatic churches, they talk often (or we studied in depth about) great men of God such as: John G Lake,(Canadian American who they called doctor because he had the power to heal all of any disease, started healing rooms in many cities, was also a missionary to South Africa and started Pentecostalism on the continent of Africa among many other things) or Smith Wigglesworth (an Englishman who also a powerful preacher, pastor, and healing evangelist), or praying Hyde. Others talk about the famous old missionaries such as Jim Elliot, Hudson Taylor, William Carey, Eric Liddell (from the movie chariots of fire), David Livingstone, Adoniram Judson, etc. Then there’s the old time famous Pastors and preachers, or authors such as: Charles Spurgeon, DL Moody (famous Pastor and preachers) A.W. Tozer (famous Christian minister & author), AA Allen (healing evangelist), Jonathan Edwards, John Wesley (who started the Methodist) David Wilkerson, Billy Sunday, and the list goes on….. (BTW… I’m an ex global Pentecostal pastor, evangelist and missionary for many decades whereby I even had founded my own church and ministry)

[@zealousideal]

@@essafats5728 there are women too…. Sister Aimee Simple McPherson, Sister Mariah Woodworth Etter, Corrie Ten Boom, Kathryn Kuhlman, Missionary Mary Slessor, etc.

[@essafats5728]

@@zealousideal thanks I'll read up

[@savedbygrace8337]

The week before he discovered his nose.

[@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk]

I'm laughing because of how surprised your guest was to realize the true meaning of 2 Timothy 3:16-17. How many times, over and over, do Catholics tell Protestants they're misinterpreting this verse! The Bible says "all Scripture is useful ..." not ONLY Scripture is useful." But Protestants consistently argue back and are blind to their error of logic. This is proof that only God can give the grace to open their eyes.

[@johnnyg.5499]

Are Catholic seminarians required to have a reading knowledge of Koine Greek and Hebrew in order to be ordained? I know for certain that this IS required for Lutheran pastors before ordination.

[@Omi-ub3cu]

They need to know Latin .

[@sammygomes7381]

If they needed to know Koine Greek they all flunk because the Greek does not say Mary was full of grace, it says she was favored with grace.

[@commscompany1502]

@@sammygomes7381 Doesn’t change who she is either way and her role with Christ in Salvation history

[@sammygomes7381]

@@commscompany1502 It's the Catholic church that has changed her role and does matter with salvation when one worships Mary.

[@artifexdei3671]

@@sammygomes7381 favored with grace means what - means she's must've have had a favor of some sort with God. would God dwell in a sinful body or would God expect the body to be holy, without sin for God to dwell in it?

[@lloydenglish7656]

"The church was not a role model, there was corruption, there was worldliness, there was greed, and lust for power." Pope Francis on Martin Luther and the reformation. This does not mention the doctrines of the Catholic church that are not biblical, such as a priest or a pope cannot forgive sin, penitential canons are only imposed on the living, purgatory doesn't exist, buying your way to forgiveness through indulgences, the repeated crucifixion of the Christ of God through the false doctrine of transubstantiation, the rock on which Christ builds his church is the revelation that He is God and not a false papal lineage and the list goes on and on. There are simply too many doctrines within the Catholic church that cannot be reconciled to the living Word of God which dwells in the true church which is those who have received the Holy Spirit given us by our Lord and Saviour.

[@anng.4542]

"The Church is not Biblical?" Who told you that? You sound far too young to have engaged in a lifetime of Scripture study that would support your accusations. You apparently have no comments to offer ABOUT THIS INTERVIEW, so you throw out distractions. I'm guessing you are simply repeating gossip you've been told by people with seminary degrees. If you don't like the Catholic church, why do you lurk around Catholic channels and comments threads?

[@fultoneth9869]

The more you know what the foundation of Christianity is, the clearer become the conclusion. Evey soul needs to join the Catholic Church ALONE.

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@sammygomes7381]

The Catholic church saves no one, we are saved through Christ

[@sammygomes7381]

Christians follow Christ. The Catholic church saves no one.

[@fultoneth9869]

@@sammygomes7381 please #know more.

[@michaelibach9063]

@@sammygomes7381 the Catholic Church is the body of Christ

[@shihyuchu6753]

I would LOVE to debate this Protestant publicly. Will he allow it?

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

Did you miss something? Both people in the interview are Catholics.

[@rhwinner]

You have a good sense of humor... 😆

[@shihyuchu6753]

@@rhwinner I do indeed. I also know my Biblical faith

[@johnyang1420]

Are you Catholic? Everyone should be Catholic. Jesus started only 1 Catholic church.

[@lois2997]

@@shihyuchu6753 you know diddly squat.

[@nosuchthing8]

Wow, another protestant that can actually read passages like Mathew

[@sammygomes7381]

I'm non-catholic and still looking in the bible for where we pray to Mary.

[@sammygomes7381]

@Troll Patrol My friend it doesn't matter how many times you have said anything, the word of God says, "faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of God.' The fact remains the bible is the only word of God we have. Many blessings my friend.

[@sammygomes7381]

@Troll Patrol Maybe Catholics don't but Christians do because the word of God tells us, "Faith comes from hearing and the hearing from the word of God." Since we are saved by grace through faith, I would say we do need the word of God.

[@lois2997]

@@sammygomes7381 my friend shut up get a job and stop whining on catholic sites. You got all your answers, you whine about the same garbage. You need a therapist you are obsessed. I am so sick of listening to Sammy whine

[@leonardgibney2997]

As a former Catholic the nearest thing l have to a religion is an interest in cosmology. What l like about it is it welcomes discussion. There is no dogma. What l didn't like about Catholicism was its dogma. There is no discussion. It also tells me I'm a sinner. No I'm not. You first need to define sin properly. Catholicism defines sin in a way to facilitate control. Everything is designed to intimidate in order to control. But we know power corrupts. Hence the paedophile scandals. Who are the real sinners?

[@silveriorebelo2920]

sorry, but you seem to have many misconceptions about life, God and the faith... you should be clear first about God's existence, and then you will recognize the importance of putting your hope in Him for a salvation you cannot attain by yourself... btw, what you say and the way you say it show that you are a sinner, tempted by self-sufficience

[@brookside109]

A lot of Catholics as children are taught the faith, but like everything, kids don't understand the faith, therefore they leave and deride the Church. As an adult, you should relook at the church and study it deeply. Dogmas are set from the teachings of Christ handed down to the apostles and the early church. As for sinners, then you are delusional. We are all sinners ,but we all strive to lead a good life and still fall short most day. However, God is a God of Love and Forgiveness, so if you repent of your sins he is waiting to welcome you like the prodigal son. Hope you find your way back.

[@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk]

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:8-10

[@Bethmin7]

A big BLUNDER !!

[@DougMcMinn-zm1pm]

How can anyone who is not born a Roman Catholic go backwards to that of Rome - purgatory - worship of Mary, - role of the criminal position of the pope - the role of priests when the bible says there’s only one true priest - call no man father yet priests are - selling of indulgences- the whole need for the reformation- how can people go back to wallowing in the mud like that - in Galatian’s chapter one Paul says if another gospel is preached then put away - it amazes me that you who go back to Rome were never saved in the first place - Matt 7 - you are going to have account for your actions- I shake my head at your stupidity - read Foxes Book of Martyrs- you are not awaken but blinded

[@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch]

Because the Catholic Church is the only church that obeys scripture truthfully. A non-Catholic relies on someone's opinion for their beliefs. A Catholic relies on an infallible Church and know they have the right interpretation according to God.

[@michaelciccone2194]

Could this scholar explain why the RCC persecuted hundreds of Waldesian Christains back in the 12 century? Many innocent people were burnt at the stake and for hundreds of years the Waldesians were hunted down and persecuted.

[@Dorfapoligetik]

you first big mistake is to call them christians...they 100% not Christians.. you another big mistake is that you don't understand how the world /society work in 12 century.

[@chessic4]

I don’t think he claims to be a historian, but those are charges the church must answer before many of us would convert. I have yet to see any of the various conversion interview shows address this.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

The church never had the power to "burn people at the stake". Excomunication is the most extreme sanction it ever had. Even I know that and I'm no scholar. Are you sure you're reading the right history?

[@valeriebalzan7619]

You might like to check out the hundreds of thousands of catholics that have been martyred by evangelicals and protestants both during the so-called reformation and for many years after

[@kevinmullee6578]

You should write or call into 'Called to Communion' with Dr. David Anders. It's on 1pm Central Time Monday through Friday. He'd be happy to take your question!

[@michaelciccone2194]

What about former RC priest ANTHONY PEROTTA who was a Salesian priestly formation professor who became a conservative Baptist minister and apologist? He left the RC priesthood and had a very nice position in the Salesian Fathers to live with a Baptist pastor's family. Perotta studied the Bible on its own and couldn't reconcile the Bible with the current version of Roman Catholicism in early 1970s. Today, now even conservative RC priests are being silenced by the RC hierarchy if they are outspoken about the serious errors that are in the RCC such as all get to heaven without faith in Christ (Unitarian Universalists theology) and the encyclical Amor Latecia. And Panchamma Incan idol worship that took place at VATICAN AMAZON SYNOD October2019 was allowed ! Isn't idolatry inconsistent with RC doctrine?

[@australopithecusafarensis5386]

What about him?

[@tombrown7936]

GENESIS 3 - The Evil - Horror - Abomination & Doomed-Tragedy Of Fallen Humanity Controlled By Satan - FROM HEAVEN - JOHN 3:3 ⚔️

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

Are you alright?

[@newhavenfishermen]

Not a single child baptism recorded in the New Testament and lo and behold, "scholars" in the Catholic church decide to dunk babies. Find a local church of Christ. Get dunked as an adult after repentance and belief.

[@sammygomes7381]

You did not read about child baptism? It was right after the chapter about praying to Mary.

[@mfjh505]

Where does it say you can't?

[@josepoeth6442]

Baptism protects children

[@maggie_codes]

Baptisms in the NT mentions the person and their household. The whole household would include children. Acts 16:13-14 Also, baptism replaced circumcision, which was performed on infants at 8 days old.

[@evangelion1962]

Since you think it's a meaningless act which accomplishes nothing, why do you care how it transpires? If you read about Polycarp bishop of Smyrna, the successor of John, you'll find he was baptized as an infant. The apostles baptized children and nothing in scripture proscribes your manmade tradition.

[@CL-rn4yu]

It would be imposible for a born again christian to know God and know the God in scripture and then become a catholic. I doubt anyone who says they used to be christian and then became "catholic". Makes one think they never knew God they only professed a religion just to go and professe another found religion or cult.

[@australopithecusafarensis5386]

@CL it’s inevitable that anyone who studies the scripture realize Sola scriptura is unscriptural

[@ciscopaco05]

Hi CL! Catholics are born again too! Only difference is that we are born the biblical way. But since you brought up; Could you tell me how you were born again? How did it happen? Thanks. God bless b

[@michaelibach9063]

People that are actually born again eventually become Catholic. People that assume they are born again stay Protestants.

[@australopithecusafarensis5386]

@@michaelibach9063 Amen brother

[@pathue1196]

@CL "It would be IMPOSSIBLE..? 1) who made you God 2) we can do all things in Him who strengthens us... 3) with God all things are possible....

[@frederickanderson1860]

Who has authority regards judging who is a Catholic or not. Nothing to do with what church you belong. The Roman papacy' go by their same narrative of we the true church from the apostles. Consider the greatest forgery of the Donation of Constantine also the false decretals and the many deceptive documents to uphold their false claims. Their replacement dogma as replacing Israel is also false.

[@anng.4542]

Why are you here? You haven't "proven" anything.

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@anng.4542 without concrete evidence you just repeat same dogmatic replies.

[@johnyang1420]

Dont listen to Fred!!!!

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@johnyang1420 the same old tune played over and over ever since Luther scared the Roman papacy' challenge of its illegitimate power, Luther knew and others about the forged Donation of constantine. Read its contents and see how it was exposed more than Luther realised.

[@tony1685]

he *OBVIOUSLY* didn't know what the protest was/is all about. he *OBVIOUSLY* hasn't read the Bible and tried to reason with It's direct and unmistaken information. poor soul.

[@nancyjanzen5676]

Based on which translation.

[@tony1685]

@@eireannemerald1382 it's all clear when one reads It - he didn't understand the protest. or is it all ok now that they teach contrary His Word?

[@BDDBDD-xp9cx]

According to his online bio he holds masters degrees in Pastoral Ministry and Biblical Literature; and he earned his Ph.D. in Exegetical Theology. Tony please tells us what your Masters & Ph.D. are in. That would be very helpful for all of us when we consider your comments. Thank you

[@jimreilly917]

🤣🤣. The Bible rose from the Church which rose from the. apostles inspired by the Holy Spirit sent by Jesus at Pentecost….not 1500 years later by a disgruntled monk who took it on himself to remove books of scripture he disagreed with. To say different is to say Jesus was mistaken in how and what he taught the Apostles. And now, with literally THOUSANDS of Protestant churches, who ALL hold different beliefs about Jesus and different interpretations of the same scriptures, this man DOES know of what he speaks. Read Acts again, and the early Church Fathers…especially in regard to Eucharist as the New Covenant. And learn what the Catholic Church actually believes and teaches. Otherwise, you just sound ignorant. That way if you still object to what the Church teaches, you can at least sound intelligent arguing for another belief. Our core beliefs are: Christ has died, Christ IS RISEN, Christ will come again. Are you objecting to what the Catholic Church believes and teaches, or what you’ve been (erroneously) taught that Catholics believe? LEARN FIRST. Then talk. Unless you just wanna argue. God Bless.

[@zealousideal]

Oh Don’t mind Tony, He’s the one in delusion and a Seventh Day Adventist (cult) at that. His attitude and comments are typical of those types. Of course he’s going to be narcissistic and say “no one understands the Bible” but him and his little group who follows the false prophetess Ellen G White. 🤦‍♂️🙄😂 But at the same time not trying to sound rude just have to pray for him to learn the truth and his blinders to be removed.

[@eddyrobichaud5832]

When you have a real relationship with Jesus Christ you don't become a ''catholic ''

[@mfjh505]

You obviously didn't listen to what they said.

[@anng.4542]

So satan says.

[@eddyrobichaud5832]

@@anng.4542 no it's the bible that says it

[@eddyrobichaud5832]

@trollpatrol7215 John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. He was with God in the beginning. 3. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Jesus is the word "the bible"

[@eddyrobichaud5832]

@@lois2997 I put my faith in Jesus Christ's sacrifice for the forgiveness of my sins, so heaven is my destiny for sure.