Front Locker vs Rear Locker vs Twin locked Differential - Off Road test comparison

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MadMatt 4WD

MadMatt 4WD

3 жыл бұрын

Front Locker vs Rear Locker vs Twin Locked? I do an Off Road test - 1st OPEN DIFFS, 2nd FRONT LOCKER ONLY, 3rd REAR LOCKER ONLY and 4th TWIN LOCKED on each obstacle! Here are my results!
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@GGNoble47
@GGNoble47 3 жыл бұрын
Matt, after careful observation . I think your vehicle would perform much better if the steering wheel was installed on the correct side (Left side) . 8-)
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
LOL and after considering your comment I laugh in your face. It's already installed on the "right side" 😂😂😂😂
@nooki1102
@nooki1102 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much most of the world has it on the right side lol
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
most of the world is metric too.
@Komeuppance
@Komeuppance 3 жыл бұрын
Most of the world is wrong... lol
@Boycott_Wendys
@Boycott_Wendys Жыл бұрын
When right hand drive vehicles come to northern Canada they choose to identify as trailers.
@FRERABRETZ1
@FRERABRETZ1 3 жыл бұрын
this has been the best locker tutorial video I’ve seen, thank you for taking the time to share your years of experience, brilliant!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@terrelltucker4321
@terrelltucker4321 3 жыл бұрын
My experience with climbing up very steep and loose areas is the same as your evaluation of a front locker as being more of an advantage over a rear locker. Having front and rear is of course the optimum set up and my choice as well.
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 3 жыл бұрын
buddy,,you need to watch u.s vids,,been doing this for 20 yrs...
@SeanCleverly
@SeanCleverly 2 жыл бұрын
Very well said, my sentiments exactly.
@NerdOfftheRoad
@NerdOfftheRoad 8 күн бұрын
Best F&R locker test evur! Every time I questioned myself about F&R lockers, search KZbin and came across to this video for multiple times. Always found this useful, more or less.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 7 күн бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@DaddyBeanDaddyBean
@DaddyBeanDaddyBean 3 жыл бұрын
That was a very plausible method of making videos alone. I appreciated the consistent, clean audio throughout, regardless of which camera angle we were seeing.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@johnhufnagel
@johnhufnagel 3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD 1st video of yours I've ever seen; the multiple stationary camera angles are great, especially for the demonstration/tutorial nature of this video. Like tools in a toolbox, there's no 1 right way to film a video. :D
@toyotadiesel4970
@toyotadiesel4970 3 жыл бұрын
In this particular case of uphill crawling the front locker might seem to be the way to go if you have to choose. But for general offroad purpose, like the mud holes and ruts, sand and bog, also downhill descent, rear locker pulls ahead. Because you can't steer with front locker for good, you have to use it just for one obstacle then turn it off, it puts so much stress on the driveline and CVs, the front is usually the weak point in most of the cars, IFS especially, you may break your CVs so easily with the front locker on, you need to be careful, experienced and understand what's going on, it's a professional tool basically, that's why most cars would have only rear factory locker and not the front. With the rear locker you may just lock it and move all the way through your offroad track until you get back to the road and it will be a safer a lot more controlled ride overall.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
You make some good points.
@RoderickGI
@RoderickGI 3 жыл бұрын
This. Steering with the front diff locker on isn't fun, particularly working near obstacles. Also, I can feel the pain the CVs are going through (IFS).
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 3 жыл бұрын
B S. who the hell told you that crap.. the only reason you people turn them off is so you dont sht a cv.. no one in the u.s turns them off,on rocks or anywhere.. buy a decent 4x4.. professor...&,why the hell would you buy a 4x4 with ifs,,??.. there garbage..buddy,,ifs,,cv.s. stay home.....maybe you,,should watch some REAL, 4x4 vids, thousands on u.s ytube.. start with dirt every day,& petersons ultimate adventure. & dirt lifestyle. might learn something usefull...i run 35,s on all my 4x4rs. nothing less..youd make a good salesman for braindead people ..
@hanksadventures4132
@hanksadventures4132 3 жыл бұрын
@@phantomwalker8251 IFS is actually not bad. It's used in baja for a reason. The biggest difference between a live axle and IFS is flex and strength. An IFS system is more prone to lifting a wheel and CV axles are typically weaker. Now, that being said, the advantage of an IFS system is ground clearance and ease of repair on the trail. The military uses IFS and IRS with portal axles to provide maximum ground clearance, with no issues. My 98 f150 with locked front and rear will outperform most Jeeps when it comes to the back roads and woods that I travel through. My IFS system allows me to take different approach angles without worrying about smacking my diff or hanging up on branches. I have skid plates that protect all of my vitals, and if I snap an axle, I can repair it on the trail by removing 12 bolts and 1 nut. This lends itself to trail repairs getting my vehicle back to 100% faster, with less equipment. You snap an axle, your up a creek. You need to remove 12 bolts, 1 nut, drain all your diff fluid, pull a c-clip, and refill your diff before continuing. Thats assuming you don't have locking hubs, which if you do now you have to remove your hub assembly. If I snap an axle, I dont risk contamination in my diff causing excessive wear, you however risk getting sand, dirt, or whatever else in your diff. An IFS system is much easier to repair and is nearly as strong as a live axle.
@Kana0211
@Kana0211 3 жыл бұрын
Drove around with a stuck rear locker on dry pavement. It didn't break the axles
@greebo7857
@greebo7857 3 жыл бұрын
Clearly, the results are terrain dependent. And this test was conducted while going in a relatively straight line. Front lockers play havoc with steering. So do rears of course, but nowhere near as much. I also think that longer wheelbase cars will react differently to your shorty. If I could only have one I'd probably choose rear, because it is better for where I usually go, but this vid did open my eyes quite a bit. Thanks Matt.
@abqcrutch
@abqcrutch 3 жыл бұрын
Been fourwheeling for over 35 years. I learned something new today. Found a new channel too! Thanks Matt!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
That is awesome! welcome and enjoy your stay
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 3 жыл бұрын
maybe you need to watch u.s vids,,been doing it a lot longer than aus.. less product advertising. more real content,unlike 4wd 24/7 bs..&.i suppose for the last 35 yrs,you drove toyotas.. that alone,stops your knowledge of 4x4rs..
@brett9382
@brett9382 2 жыл бұрын
For someone in college with limited funds this video was awesome. Showed me that my old fashioned manual front lockers might not be ideal but should get me through most situations until I can afford to get a decent rear locker and have twin locker.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Mate learn to use what you have.
@OldGriz708
@OldGriz708 3 жыл бұрын
This goes to show that having both front and rear selectable lockers is important.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Yes and completely selectable.
@jeffklatt4835
@jeffklatt4835 3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD Ill take the disagree on this. Nothing better than automatics. Detroit or Grizzly lockers for the win. The big bonus is they are there when you need them not turned on after your stuck. They are also a ton more reliable (no switches, cables, air lines, or power issues)
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffklatt4835 I turn my lockers on before I get stuck. that way when I get stuck I'm proper stuck. :)
@silenceofthelaw7567
@silenceofthelaw7567 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Great point. So air or E is the next query.
@OldGriz708
@OldGriz708 3 жыл бұрын
@@silenceofthelaw7567 I prefer OX lockers myself.
@ashleychristensen4290
@ashleychristensen4290 3 жыл бұрын
That was probably the best video i've seen demonstrating lockers. Really good
@Bravesdarrell8552
@Bravesdarrell8552 6 ай бұрын
Nice work ! Thanks for sharing !
@jeffstewart3978
@jeffstewart3978 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful visual analysis! I agree. Thanks.
@AllFourX4Spares
@AllFourX4Spares 3 жыл бұрын
Well done Mad Matt, that was a great video
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate. 🤟
@bquade70
@bquade70 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, excellent timing for me!! Lake Havasu, AZ. USA Great to see a new vid...
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@eldenswordable
@eldenswordable Жыл бұрын
Thanks! This was exactly the demo I needed.
@smullins17
@smullins17 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the demonstration!
@rbrdly
@rbrdly 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I was absolutely in the REAR camp, but your test (albeit with a shorty) really did demonstrate that pivoting tendency. Well done with that. You could, with an over-enthusiastic right foot do a wheel stand quite easily as well I guess? I've got twin-locked ARB lockers and can't turn the front on by themselves. My options are rear, or both. But in the real world, the lockers aren't the limitation, it's where your friends who don't have them can go. :)
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Great points.
@justins380
@justins380 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video. I love how you are so straight to the point, and don't waste time jabbering on. You did great solo. There are worse videos out there that had camera men. Mrs. Mad Matt edits great too! Cheers From Texas.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Mrs MadMatt is fantastic at what she does. Thanks for the kind words
@jojinapigkit6094
@jojinapigkit6094 3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD very nice video. so informative sir. but how do we do it in order to have those front and rear lockers? thanks.
@outdoortrackntrail8943
@outdoortrackntrail8943 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for your demonstration
@the1onlyteagro
@the1onlyteagro 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I was thinking front locker first, and you've saved me some questioning myself.
@quetzal1
@quetzal1 3 жыл бұрын
Loved that! Excellent demo on varied obstacles. Only big draw back I didn't see you talk about is how you sacrifice your steering when you lock the front diff.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
That wasn't really the scope if this video but I think I'm going to do that vid for everyone.
@jackradzelovage6961
@jackradzelovage6961 3 жыл бұрын
to be fair in a rig with solid axles worth their salt, the u joints will have no issue with a locker given a reasonable tire size. so if you crank it a good bit youre still gonna be scrubbing a lot but you can still turn reasonably well especially if the surface is any sort of slick. :)
@benstayskal9804
@benstayskal9804 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this demonstration. I’ve always heard back locket first if you can’t afford to do both. But I’ve always thought that front actually makes more sense and seems safer. This makes allot of sense to me. Thanks!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@abodemoose6181
@abodemoose6181 3 жыл бұрын
It depends. Sand dunes for example, rear dif locker makes much more sense than front dif locker.
@darthtrump4428
@darthtrump4428 3 жыл бұрын
perhaps that is true in rock crawling but for steep slopes in the snow id say rear locker is better
@modacare4546
@modacare4546 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent job. Camera work was awesome and the locker info/rpm/driving technique was perfect. Great demonstration.
@sivapoobalasingam9623
@sivapoobalasingam9623 3 жыл бұрын
Well done with this demonstration - i enjoyed watching it.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@shaqshuka8392
@shaqshuka8392 3 жыл бұрын
I went with a front locker first, for all the reasons you have then demonstrated in the video. NO regrets. Except for the fact I wish you had of released this vid a year ago when I was researching it. Would have saved me hours in time and doubts lol
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
LOL sorry
@kennyhardknocks5183
@kennyhardknocks5183 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt while on the tele track rear locker only. The 100 series did exactly what occurred on your video. It pivoted to the left and I had increased rpm far too much. End result lost control as it rear up and pivoted. The only thing that saved it from rolling over was it landed on and 80 series sitting on my left and in 1.2 m ditch, who was watching. I ended up on its bonnet saving my car from a roll over. The guy in the 80 wasn’t impressed. I have a video on it 🙃. I’m going to get a front locker now thank you 😊.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Hectic. Love to see the video.
@jcmac7709
@jcmac7709 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent showing! Thank you. Really enjoying the content.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks heaps
@MoY206
@MoY206 3 жыл бұрын
I just love the presentation. Thanks Matt, much appreciated from the states 🤙
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir
@barneybetelgeuse6273
@barneybetelgeuse6273 3 жыл бұрын
Agree with your thoughts i always believed limited slip on the back and locker on the front better off pulling the weight than pushing 😃👍
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@tylermorris9196
@tylermorris9196 3 жыл бұрын
exactly what i have and I've never needed my winch!
@daveharness70
@daveharness70 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. I had a LS in the rear and locker in the front and it was really hard to stop. Then I spooled the rear, and it was never the same...not as much control going up rocky ledges.
@shannonjulian3847
@shannonjulian3847 3 жыл бұрын
I must say i am very impressed at how many comments you reply to
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
People matter and I want to help them. What’s the point of content if I don’t have the conversation ay? It’s a lot of work though. Lol. Thanks for noticing
@shovington67
@shovington67 3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD , perhaps you can put together a list of equipment and price needed to accomplish this video paradise that your viewers talk about?
@erikb8877
@erikb8877 3 жыл бұрын
I won’t deny that a front locker is more effective, if it’s a choice of one or the other but there is usually a reason most choose a rear locker(especially an automatic type) over a front first. It’s because the rear drive is the default mode of locomotion, is generally stronger, has fewer moving parts and is less prone to a failure. A front locker puts more stress on the driveline weak links-transfer case to front hubs. If something in the front fails, the rear drive is usually still operational and having rear drive only combined with a locker is almost as effective as a standard 4wd with open diffs.
@sandralutz-rodriguez2864
@sandralutz-rodriguez2864 3 жыл бұрын
that was an awesome demonstration Matt! Well done!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Anthony-zq2ct
@Anthony-zq2ct Жыл бұрын
Mate, great video, the control of the variables, as much as reasonably possible, is something you rarely see in other demonstrations. On ya Matt!
@craigmckinnon8792
@craigmckinnon8792 3 жыл бұрын
Great video showing the difference. Can't beat twin locked but front definitely makes the biggest difference and has the most control when crawling. After all you have to get the front up first
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@customcraftnadventure
@customcraftnadventure 3 жыл бұрын
Really good demo. I went for a front LOKKA due to the affordability. The best addition so far. Took me thru most obstacles. But an obstacle like the last hill you did clearly demonstrated the need of twin lock. I would still go for front LOKKA first then rear if I had to do again.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Glad to help.
@steiny3353
@steiny3353 9 ай бұрын
customcraftnadventure ..I see your post is 2 years ago, so I'm doubtful of getting a reply, however, I have a 2020 LTZ Colorado twin cab, auto. I'm toying with the idea of a locker (one to start with) my mate who has been 4x4 ing for many years reckons go for the front first as he reckons my LSD (in the newer cars) works particularly well. With the traction control, he is surprised at the places I can go. It's the age old story, a man doesn't know where to stop. 🤣
@tinok.8149
@tinok.8149 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best youtbe vids I’ve seen as far as lockers go. Great content thank you! Subscribed!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tino
@jwat2396
@jwat2396 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your findings but a commenter made a good point about the stress put on the joints when trying to steer the vehicle with the front lockers engaged. So as was said, with having both lockers on a vehicle it pays to understand your vehicle and whats actually taking place when 4 wheeling. Your videos and tests you show are very helpful and informative. I've got my first 4×4 with lockers and I feel you've given me some very important info to 4 wheel safely and not damage my ridiculously expensive 4×4. Expensive at least for me. Thank you.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Bang on. Go easy on the power and you don’t break stuff
@fecklar1905
@fecklar1905 3 жыл бұрын
From USA here...super video. If I was to go with lockers...I would go with front first then rear. I have an older f150 and put in torsen geared limited slips in both fromt and rear. They have worked fantastically over stock which was a clutch style limited slip rear and open in the front.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@garyarbogast6703
@garyarbogast6703 3 жыл бұрын
Aside from axle lockers having an inexplicable tendency to attract flies, their virtues are well demonstrated here. Having E lockers that can be controlled by the driver seems to have an added benefit over limited slip style that lock whenever wheel slip is detected. It’s the golden combination having adequate money, technical savvy and good equipment. Nice video by the way in spite of being a solo effort.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary. I love being in complete control of my lockers.
@Nathan-pw1rh
@Nathan-pw1rh 3 жыл бұрын
Those are both e lock style lockers?
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@Nathan-pw1rh
@Nathan-pw1rh 3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD have one more for you...do the front elocker unlock while engaged if you turn your wheel?
@jonasfreitag1344
@jonasfreitag1344 3 жыл бұрын
Super informative Matt! Thanks for the great demonstration.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@dmitri9903
@dmitri9903 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for great demonstrating the benefits of lockers. I learned a lot from your video!
@davidnorthrup3674
@davidnorthrup3674 3 жыл бұрын
I agree that the front locker gives a lot more stability then the rear. I would consider it better to possibly not get over a obstacle, then possibly role your vehicle. I do have a question for you though. I do not have a dedicated off road 4x4. I have a 1977 Chevy k10 long bed with a flat bed. It has limited slip both front and rear. I mostly use the 4 wheel drive to avoid getting stuck in the snow and pull out vehicles that do. As a daily driver is there and big benefit to putting lockers in it. As of yet I have never been stuck even in snow that went above my bumper. Thanks for the video! very interesting.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t fit lockers to that for your use. 😉
@davidnorthrup3674
@davidnorthrup3674 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
What should you buy first? I do an Off Road test - 1st OPEN DIFFS, 2nd FRONT LOCKER ONLY, 3rd REAR LOCKER ONLY and 4th TWIN LOCKED on each obstacle! Here are my results!
@Patrolinaus
@Patrolinaus 3 жыл бұрын
I believe people should buy front locker first so then they have a locker and an LSD, not just one locked diff. Especially for IFS vehicles where the front end has barely any flex
@jake-mv5oi
@jake-mv5oi 3 жыл бұрын
Havent watched video yet but I prefer front first. Allows you to get the front end up an obstacle and then I can gas the rear through it.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
:) Have you watched it yet? :)
@jake-mv5oi
@jake-mv5oi 3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD yes. Concur with everything you said.
@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080
@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 3 жыл бұрын
I built my F-150 like Ford builds its top Raptor's. I go front Torsen® diff and rear E-locker. This way my front axle works all the time from 1 to 100 mph and beyond. That front Torsen® is so good I almost never use my rear locker. Because of this I am "Front Locker" on all the time in 4WD.
@grantinsley
@grantinsley 3 жыл бұрын
That was an excellent demonstration with very interesting results.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@murphtahoe1
@murphtahoe1 3 жыл бұрын
That was a really well done presentation. I subscribe to having the ability to have front and rear lockers. I have a Jeep TJ that has a very short wheel base and when climbing very steep ruts or rocks I only use the front locker to pull me up. Really helps with not flipping over backwards if you pick a bad line.
@sweet65mustang
@sweet65mustang 3 жыл бұрын
Air locker front, lockrite rear.
@andreashecht3045
@andreashecht3045 3 жыл бұрын
I installed a rear locker first on my Pajero, what a mistake! Installed a front locker second, don't use the rear anymore. If i had my time again, I'd leave the LSD in the rear and front locker only.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@thomasdestefani4799
@thomasdestefani4799 3 жыл бұрын
You have the pajero sport 3.0 v6? Witch locker you installed?
@petarcetinich9246
@petarcetinich9246 3 жыл бұрын
I just got a 2001 Nm Pajero. It only has front Locked, would like to know more as to why you would prefer the lsd
@jessegillan7013
@jessegillan7013 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! great work doing all of that by yourself. also cool to see the bundy doing some cool tracks and looking so capable and controlled
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@TravisNobles
@TravisNobles Жыл бұрын
This is such an amazing demonstration. GREAT video, MadMatt!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate
@Malc664
@Malc664 3 жыл бұрын
That was mad Matt. All the pro's saying rear locker's better and the front was superior.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate.
@vevohoeyo
@vevohoeyo 3 жыл бұрын
Rear locker is definitely best in 95% of situations. Especially with utes as they are more stable than these terrible old top heavy Cruisers. This is a good demonstration but this outcome can change drastically from vehicle to vehicle.
@TheJanope13
@TheJanope13 2 жыл бұрын
IFS utes are front wheel lift magnets and easily destroy a cv when that wheel in the air comes over and touches the floor
@williamhall2386
@williamhall2386 2 жыл бұрын
That was really eye opening. Nicely done!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@Reaper66685
@Reaper66685 7 ай бұрын
Great video, cheers mate
@PNWJEEPER01
@PNWJEEPER01 3 жыл бұрын
Based on my experience learning to use lockers, I agree with you and feel that the less experienced driver is far less likely to get themselves into trouble with a Front locker than with a Rear locker. As far as which is more useful, I think it really depends on the particulars of the driving surface and whether you're stuck (along with what you're stuck in) or having rolling traction issues. For rolling traction issues like a storm where there are several inches of packed snow and ice, I prefer to roll (slow as I can, fast as I need to) with the Front locker only engaged. For trail obstacles, every situation is unique and I season each to taste. I also think it's a lot easier than one might think to create a torque steer issue, as you mentioned, with a Rear locker (especially on an incline) when the front tires are not solidly grounded that may roll you over or get you stuck worse by breaking something back there or pushing the front end in an unexpected direction. My personal approach is to nearly always try the Front locker only first, unless it's obvious that the problem is out back (no pun intended) and if I had to choose between having a locker in the front or the rear, I'd definitely choose the front. I can think of very few situations where I reach for the Rear locker first. Inexperienced off-roaders are probably better off with Limited Slip back there, imho. My brother has a Toyota which came from the factory with a Rear electric locker only and I've always wondered what Toyota's thinking was behind that- ideal for climbing the boat ramp, I guess?
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
great comment and thanks for picking up the purpose of the vid was to answer the beginners question of which single locker should i fit first.
@vadimnesen8060
@vadimnesen8060 2 жыл бұрын
My Toyota with center and rear locker is very capable. And reliable..This video is made by using a toyota that probably came with a rear locker only option
@PNWJEEPER01
@PNWJEEPER01 2 жыл бұрын
@@vadimnesen8060 thanks for your reply and input; based on your mention of "center" lock, which I take to mean Transfer Case Lock, it sounds like your point of reference is AWD, rather than 4WD.
@akelkhunter
@akelkhunter 3 жыл бұрын
Limited slip in rear and locker in front for a reasonable on and off road rig?
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
So long as the LSd works. In toyotas they're notoriously unreliable.
@jasonallen6836
@jasonallen6836 3 жыл бұрын
See my comment above. I think it depends on how well it works, and how much street time it sees.
@nicholaskaye61
@nicholaskaye61 3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD Hey Matt could you elaborate on unreliable? I know they have a supposed short working life, but what are your concerns with the 100 series LSD? Also very interesting to hear you say
@ayeshanbandara8003
@ayeshanbandara8003 3 жыл бұрын
In a GU patrol rear LSD and front locker will take you everywhere. and the rear LSD do help with road manners too. The rear LSD on a patrol is tight as!
@sultanheart
@sultanheart 3 жыл бұрын
I have nissan pathfinder R50 with front lokka locker and rear repacked LSD.. its unstoppable
@minimanr5052
@minimanr5052 9 ай бұрын
Great demo
@bastabbiswas3885
@bastabbiswas3885 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic demonstration. Thanks a huge lot.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
No worries
@jaradderosa3252
@jaradderosa3252 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing I would say is steering becomes much more difficult with the front locked if you have to turn on the trail. Not to mention “weaker” components having u-joints and hubs. I would think the potential for damage could be higher using front only.
@abdulsalamjepara
@abdulsalamjepara 3 жыл бұрын
the next vidio about suzuki jimny locker
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
What’s special about them? They do the same job?
@abdulsalamjepara
@abdulsalamjepara 3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD Suzuki Jimny is a small and light car, will the result be the same if you use a locker?
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Yes the effects will be the same in principle. My vehicle is comparatively small and light compared to my full size 4wd. Both vehicles car have the same effect
@abdulsalamjepara
@abdulsalamjepara 3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD thank you for sharing your experience about offroad features & tricks
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure
@JBBunno
@JBBunno 3 жыл бұрын
That was one of the best vids I have seen on an unbiased aproach to lockers, great stuff and kudos to your solo filming skills
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Why thank you sir.
@johngallenstein1467
@johngallenstein1467 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome demonstration! Thank you
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Pleasure
@stoichiometry147
@stoichiometry147 3 жыл бұрын
This came into my head today. Front locker it is
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@chazzgitzel2802
@chazzgitzel2802 3 жыл бұрын
Haha everyone thought i was mad to only have the front lock before the back!!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
😁
@neutronstorm
@neutronstorm 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you are if you agree with another guy called Mad Matt!
@tubqhe
@tubqhe 3 жыл бұрын
@@neutronstorm yep. Agree with mad max and toyota wholeheartedly!
@neutronstorm
@neutronstorm 3 жыл бұрын
@@tubqhe I don't understand what you're saying 100% but here is my response. I don't think people get centre diff lock confused with a front axle locker. I haven't ever hear that one but I guess it's possible. In the 200 series, the centre diff lock is a torzen type limited slip diff. This coupled with the brake traction control mean that you can drive most stuff without locking it. I generally punch mine in for extreme up hill, down hill or any situation where loss of traction is expected.
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 3 жыл бұрын
the front pulls you thru,,been known in u.s for 50 yrs.. dumb ausies..watch more u.s vids, you learn more..
@sory4beinanonymous
@sory4beinanonymous 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt. I was looking for this video
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@superchargerone
@superchargerone 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the extremely informative demo! Love this. Hard working doing the filming by yourself but the content is still first rate!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@williamolliges2622
@williamolliges2622 3 жыл бұрын
Damnit! Just cost me five grand when I order my new Bronco.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man I can only help so much
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 3 жыл бұрын
why you buy a new bronco,?,for the mall.?..should of got the dodge power wagon.. buy & drive. job done..
@mackies9151
@mackies9151 3 жыл бұрын
Front locker and LSD in the rear(if it is already in from the factory -ie- jeep willys package)
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
It’s certainly a very good solution
@kevinblackshow
@kevinblackshow 3 жыл бұрын
Very good illustration
@aleksandrgulyy5744
@aleksandrgulyy5744 3 жыл бұрын
Subscribed. No extra talking, straight information
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@ChookChasersMX
@ChookChasersMX 3 жыл бұрын
IFS vehicle probably the rear first as more chance of breaking the front CV’s and also the front needs to be turned off more often when turning
@DaveXL495
@DaveXL495 3 жыл бұрын
I'd rather have to get out and winch a couple times on a remote track than flick the front locker on and explode a CV that's for sure.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys. In my experience the CVs are not that weak assuming your running factory quality or better. The reason they do break is when people are driving too hard. A front locker actually strengthens the front diff due to it providing greater strength to the crown wheel.
@petrojectnz3615
@petrojectnz3615 3 жыл бұрын
You’ll break a cv if you’re giving it a hard time, but if you have lockers in, you don’t have to cane the thing. Never ever have I broken a front CV.
@DaveXL495
@DaveXL495 3 жыл бұрын
@Frugal Family Living A reasonably well tuned traction control like Toyota ATRAC would stop that anyway. And if you were needing that much throttle with that much wheel lift, just winch. Older vehicles definitely would benefit a lot from being twin locked.
@jims408
@jims408 3 жыл бұрын
Really well illustrated; thank you!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@francikaa1
@francikaa1 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. Answered all my questions about F/R lockers.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I could help.
@steventhomas729
@steventhomas729 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent demonstration. I learned a lot! Thank you.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to help.
@jasonhelmes3015
@jasonhelmes3015 3 жыл бұрын
Really good demo matt keep up the great videos mate
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@dixiedancing3996
@dixiedancing3996 3 жыл бұрын
Great video bud! Very well demonstrated. Answered a few of my questions. Thank you.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Pleasure
@717UT
@717UT 2 жыл бұрын
That is a fantastic bit of driving and comparison. Thank you for your work on this.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@anotsostealth
@anotsostealth 3 жыл бұрын
I'll I've ever wanted was a spot like this to drive around. Looks like tons of fun! And very informative too!!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanms
@Gzus
@Gzus 3 жыл бұрын
Great job filming all of this yourself! I learned a lot with this video and appreciate your time and effort into sharing this information!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@50AHenry
@50AHenry 3 жыл бұрын
Great video - very informative. Straight to the point with no time wasting. Thank you ! ! !
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
🤟
@youraveragetea1480
@youraveragetea1480 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant demonstration and driving!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much
@zeek1dr
@zeek1dr 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers for that excellent advice I have been looking at a lockers for a while now and I've made up my mind now👍
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@thedetective8150
@thedetective8150 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent demonstration!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@NJSInstructional
@NJSInstructional 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, well done!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@mossyhollow3732
@mossyhollow3732 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant demonstrations and information.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@rothburger
@rothburger 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative clip mate,, I had front lokka installed and love it
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Get a rear and you’ll love it even more
@orestesraul345
@orestesraul345 4 ай бұрын
Excellent video 👍
@USfoolsgold
@USfoolsgold 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I'm always impressed with the Aussie offroad knowledge.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill. We are blessed with lots of opportunity to practice.
@zedjaluy
@zedjaluy 2 жыл бұрын
GREAT demo!👏
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@philnichols5131
@philnichols5131 2 жыл бұрын
fantastic demo! easy for anyone to understand how it all works. Thanks
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@renekoesler4704
@renekoesler4704 3 жыл бұрын
perfect demonstration! Thank you mate! Always only as fast as necessary!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@darrenmarrable2530
@darrenmarrable2530 8 ай бұрын
Another Brilliant Vlog mate.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@shootar75
@shootar75 3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid. Great demo.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jamesmuddz4969
@jamesmuddz4969 3 жыл бұрын
So far best locker comparison video I have seen so far, been trying to decide which locker first for my Cruiser and this was great. Cheers Matt
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help.
@511dydy
@511dydy 3 жыл бұрын
Great video mate. What a lesson
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@AXHEJAZ
@AXHEJAZ 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video thank you for the education
@rguil15
@rguil15 2 жыл бұрын
Best locker demonstration on the internet. Great job.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ryan
@joshuacooper446
@joshuacooper446 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, great audio. Thank you
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you too!
@FirstLightAdv
@FirstLightAdv 2 жыл бұрын
Very clear demonstration!
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@Viper9999999
@Viper9999999 3 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration, by far the best video I've seen for front vs rear locker. I have a Truetrac in the rear and Elocker up front.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@vicentegomez205
@vicentegomez205 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this video together. It was very informative. I'm new to off roading and now I have a little more of a clue. Thanks again.
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD Жыл бұрын
Excellent. Glad I could help
@MadMatt4WD
@MadMatt4WD Жыл бұрын
Excellent. Glad I could help
@RoloLP
@RoloLP Жыл бұрын
Thanks for excellent video. Nice work 👏 greetings from Argentina.
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