Frost on the WINGS?! + Deadly Mountain Wave (Van Nuys Arrival)

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[@Aviation101]

CORRECTION: at 17:10, I referenced US Highway 101 as the straight line between Burbank and Van Nuys - that isn't right! As someone brought to my attention in the comments below, that's an AMTRAK line. US 101 was correctly pointed out at 18:30. My bad!

[@R1S609]

Was about to offer this correction. And it’s extremely easy to confuse even well known landmarks around here. Even locals can’t always spot them correctly. Well done.

[@LimaFoxtrot]

As a Burbank native who flies in BUR at least 3-4x month now, t's actually a combo of the Amtrak line and Van Owen St.

[@jessiebullock]

Thank you for the correction! I was so confused because the 101 is much further south. I even checked a map in case I was crazy. Google shows the train line there.

[@Calebs_Aviation]

I thought that looked off! 🤣

[@johnhavens8199]

Video Suggestion! Please do an aviation decision making video about weather flight planing. How would you weather plan as a newbie private pilot VFR and what safe limits would you place on yourself as compared with a more advanced private pilot VFR. And the same question for a newbie IFR pilot compared to more advanced IFR pilot. What personal limits do you suggest for these pilots and why, in the video. Weather briefing and planing is interesting for us from your perspective as an instructor. And safe decision making is interesting to us from your perspective. Thanks, would love to see it!

[@BillFaust]

As a Socal resident, what you highlighted in the video as "The 101" was not the 101 freeway, but the railway line used by Amtrak and Metro which crosses just North of VNY and just South of BUR as you indicated.

[@slindsay02]

Yep! VNY is a few miles away from the 101

[@Aviation101]

Ahh crap, you’re right! I see the 101 south of that on the map now. My bad, still found Van Nuys though! 😂

[@BillFaust]

@@Aviation101 De nada. A small blemish on an excellent video. Although not a pilot, I have taken the train many times to and from Burbank airport and noted how close the train line runs to both Van Nuys and Burbank airport runways, as you pointed out to Chelsea. Some very crowded airspace you navigated there. Although the Amtrak and Metro trains both drop off at the Burbank airport, I seemed like one of the few in car-centric Socal who used it to get to/from BUR.

[@slindsay02]

@@Aviation101 it happens, but this is still a great video.

[@Boomer_31]

@@Aviation101I will admit that was still a great use of a geographic landmark to help navigate. It is interesting to see it from the air vs the ground!

[@flysport_tedder]

8:40 "I am awed by your greatness" 😆

[@JimmyShot]

Laying a black trash bag over the frosted sections works wonders with solar heating, takes zero weight to keep one on board.

[@Flying_AZ]

I just flew my 182 through the Banning pass from KDVT to KCMA and back over the past 2 weeks. Trip out through the pass was smooth as silk. Trip back was lower due to weather and ended up being pretty bumpy all along, but especially through the pass. No downdrafts like you experienced though. Also shout out to SoCal controllers. They are always super helpful and accommodating to us small guys.

[@tommyclifton8130]

I am a student pilot learning to fly in Southeast Alaska. It is easily the most beautiful flying scenery I’ve experienced with the mountainous islands, a volcano, inside passages, and ocean, but those same elements make intentional safety focused decision making even more important. I am also a glider student pilot, so I understand the incredible effects of terrain and winds. I have learned so much from your videos and this one was especially helpful. I’ve never found myself in severe downdrafts in a powered airplane, so thank you for sharing this. I have been taught the mountain flying techniques, so now that I have seen the importance of their application it helps solidify it even more. One thing we don’t do here is night cross-country flights. I had to go to Anchorage to get that done. I appreciate your safety focused explanations as always. If you come back to Alaska, I highly recommend Southeast if you haven’t already been here. It is worth the weather wait that may be required!

[@DWBurns]

You need to video your flight training so those of us in the lower 48 can see what you do. Just a hint we’re jealous. When I fly in the Midwest, it’s looking down at ghetto when I fly into big airports, trees, corn, wheat, soybeans, hay, freeway. The variety is just mind-boggling.

[@brianf9721]

Hey just wanted to say thanks for admitting the air sickness. It's something I've struggled with in my lessons. I knew it was going to be a sticking point in my training when I started. I've been very upfront with it and everyone has been great and helpful.

[@thestove25]

I grew up looking up at Mt. San Jacinto from the 10 freeway. What an awesome perspective to see it out of a cockpit window. Great shots. 👍🏻

[@ik04]

I used to fly into Burbank often, mostly from the North and knowing the proximity of Van Nuys was important. It disappears into the cityscape when viewed from a Northern arrival. Your graphic showing the train tracks is exactly what you need to look out for to avoid getting lost... Van Nuys also has one of the weirdest IAPs ever, the LDA-C. It uses a localizer off the Burbank ILS, with a MAP at the end of the perpendicular runway!

[@GoodLifeInSpain]

Van Nuys...That's where I learned to fly back in the early 80s.

[@randya9810]

Glad to see you guys back Josh

[@Jake_WY7JMS]

Her cross-eyed question had me bustin up at/around 9:52.

[@Calebs_Aviation]

Great video Josh! Way to keep it safe and still fun and educational! This video really hit close to home with me as I’ve taken risks I shouldn’t have and won’t in the future! I hope to be a safer aviator and your channel has played a large part in my view and flying practices! 😅 Cheers 🥂 -Caleb’s Aviation

[@philn2837]

Great Josh and Chelsea! It was a very informative flight!

[@vsznry]

Hi from SNA ! Careful in them valleys! Plane English should be incorporated into MSFS!

[@garyreed2206]

Haven't been mountain flying yet but I have had similar experience in flat country. Flying along and encountering clear weather convection activity that exceeded the performance of my aircraft. One minute, you're at full throttle and still descending; the next minute, you're at idle and yellow line and still climbing. Just along for the ride.

[@MichaelSasser]

Just want to say that I love these types of videos. Quick 5 minute tip videos have their place, but seeing the real experience from start to finish does a much better job of helping us experience the challenges along the way with you. Thanks for putting so much time and effort into these!

[@jmavphoto]

the handbooks were my primary source along with the FAR AIM when building all my lesson plans for my CFI checkride, which I was able to pass first try this week. Tons of great knowledge is in them that really add context to a lot of random bits of info previously learned.

[@joelallen9040]

Enjoy the humble attitude and instructional videos. I’m a current PPL, and frequently fly XC. Love to learn from your videos.

[@Aviation101]

@@joelallen9040 I’m glad to hear the feedback! I appreciate the support. 🤙🏼

[@CatalystRu]

Oh the Banning Pass. Great memories from my long XC for my PP back in the early 90s! Home airport was TOA.

[@OSWCrosshair2002]

Great to see a video, Josh. I love them. My son-law just finished his instrument and commercial, and is working on his CFI to build hours for Horizon. He is also a big fan.

[@tjwilliams7246]

Very good to see you and Chels. Very good job talking about Mountain Wave . Very important for people to realize what the hills and mountains can do to the wind. Very good job with this discussion. Keep up the good work and looking forward to the next one. Take care and Be safe.

[@emaneasler]

Wonderful instruction in this video. As a student pilot I am very thankful. Including the radio interaction.

[@MotorboatToo]

"Wait for more options"........... That's GREAT advice! Never "hurry up" to fly. It may save a life or two....

[@MarthaBairdMudge]

Great video! Every time I watch your videos I almost feel like I'm in the aircraft too. Thank you for the inspiration.

[@charlestym6322]

Great job guys. When is Chelsea going to get her tailwheel endorsement. Come on Josh throw the bush flying guys a bit of back country adventure !!

[@Fredo0709]

9:38 Had me cracking up. So silly! 😂

[@CoolStuff108]

Heck yeah!! Amazing work Mike and crew! And extremely well planned and redundant saftey plans. This is the kind of examples we need set in aviation. Plan plan plan and never be afraid to say no and back out. Back to work! 👊

[@jamest7551]

Thanks for another great video Josh! Thank you for explaining everything so well. Always love flying with y'all!

[@davidrubaloff8652]

Remembering my long cross country through the Banning pass being catapulted up in an updraft.

[@randcooley2865]

Great video and when you crossed the moutains my heart moved up into my throat! Glad you were ok. Looking forward to next series

[@drcode4]

Banning pass can be crazy or you can fly through there without even a bump. You never know exactly what you're gonna get. It can surprise you. Great video as usual. See you at Oshkosh. Your Big Bear friend.

[@JumboShr1mp]

The best aviation videos on the inter web and getting better each year. Josh you will always be Mr. Aviation101 to me. Great Work good lesson as always. 👍

[@MrSfredrik]

What an amazing scenery and astonishing video quality. Thanks for showing this aviation adventure!

[@roughsurface]

You just about flew right over my house at South Mountain. If you guys are back in the Phoenix always give us a call and stay with us. We can even put you in the hangar and do some 337 stuff too. AZ90 is the spot. Herb

[@danielklijnsma5860]

Great footage, impressive mountain wave effects. So where can we see that references film One Six Right? Any link to share?

[@WalksSlow]

At last! 🙂So happy to see the second half of this trip! Looking forward to the follow-on vids. Keep up the great work you two.

[@rabh6746]

Such a stunning and challenging flight, great job on the landing Chelsea👍

[@earnedwings5206]

Great video as always 👍! Nice to see you in my backyard of So Cal. We split time between CA & TX.

[@Mikheno]

The Banning pass...I know it well. We drive through that pass all the tiime on the way to Riverside to visit our daughter. I call it "The Banning Blow Hole".

[@michaelboley4428]

Love Chelsea and your flight video adventures. They look like so much fun. I wish I could live that I’m so envious.😊

[@adamtash5839]

Getting ready to XC from Camarillo to Dallas in my 182. Great video, I think I am going to depart a few days early to beat the incoming weather. Great video

[@AirplanesLuxury]

Thanks for sharing your passion with all of us other aviation geeks/and or pilots out there; your videos are very informative and entertaining, thanks.

[@SMButler]

I had a mountain wave encounter that was pushing me up! Wason IFR clearance so asked for a block clearance. 9° nose down, throttle pulled back and still clinbing at a thousand fpm. Thankfully clear air until we crossed Snoqualmie pass to enter the clouds over Western Washington.

[@frankrosenbloom]

We used to fly our Cessna 182 between Great Falls Montana and Portland OR. The Mullan Pass over The Montana Rockies near Idaho was always a problem. The winds were terrible and the weather was sometimes horrifying. One time during the winter we were traveling from Portland to Great Falls and due to potential icing we were not able to fly IFR over the pass and had to leave the plane in Spokane and drive to Great Falls. We went back for the plane later. It's just sometimes not possible to get above the weather in a plane with a 17,000 foot service ceiling. Even in good weather I don't fly through mountain passes unless I'm going to land or I'm taking off. I always try to fly at least 2000 feet above the ridges and cross them at an angle. When back country flying in Idaho I simply don't go if the wind is greater than 12 knots. And I don't fly over the mountains even at 2000 feet above the highest peaks if the wind is greater than 25 knots. We moved to South Carolina a couple of years ago and though the Smokey Mountains are much lower there is still a lot of wind that comes over the mountains into the upstate. The same rules apply here. Just today I flew back to the Greenville area from a work assignment on the the South Carolina coast. The flight was smooth until I got to the upstate near the lee side of the Smokies and I got knocked around quite a bit. Mountains, even small ones, do very scary things with wind, sometimes even a fair distance from the foothills. Great falls is very windy, my mother in law almost blew away there, and it's 50 miles East of the mountains. Oh and I don't fly IMC at night over mountains.

[@StraightTail56]

Good to see you guys back with another video.

[@tucksmith8300]

Good flying Josh

[@flyingpatmiller]

I had the exact same issue flying through Banning Pass a couple of years ago flying back to VNY. Scary stuff..! Flew it again recently this winter without a single bump. In the future, when the desert is much hotter than the LA area (which causes that venturi effect), I think I will plan to fly north of Big Bear instead!

[@shoop4040]

While looking for some documents in my office ,I came across the old sticker- Mr. Aviation 101 and placed it on the back window of my car yesterday next to my favorite aircraft Hercules c130 gunship sticker. Thx for the video.

[@jackgill2501]

Thank you very much; great job and safe travels!

[@audioentertainment]

Got my PPL with last landing of Checkride on 22R at CHD - Good days - great Cafe when I was there!

[@flyingconsultant]

My worst experience with mountain wave or downdraught was while landing on Flinders Island in Tasmania. I was on crosswind leg and suddenly pushed down from 1000 feet to about 350 in a second or two. I knew I had to get out of there immediately. Luckily it’s all on video 😅

[@Vanya80151]

I am based in Utah and have seen downdrafts of 2k+ feet per minute with a full power applied. Fortunately they usually only last 1-2 minutes, usually followed by a massive updraft. If you are not expecting it to reverse very quickly, it may surprise you how quickly you end up climbing 3-4k, especially if you still have full power applied.

[@wb6anp]

Any time I flew out to the Desert area I always went around the banning pass, just kept going straight over Palmdale over the pas there into Santa Clarita then Santa Susana pass is almost a strait in to KVNY always called the tower at the pass.

[@Kyzyl_Tuva]

Great video Josh and Chelsea. I love flying in/out of VNY

[@skyepilotte11]

Nice flight...

[@edwardrose4180]

As usual; a Great Video! This one is particularly poignant as I earned all my ratings at Van Nuys, and early in my career flew freight out of Burbank and then worked at Piper Aerostar in Santa Maria! It's like going home. Looking forward to the next installment. 🙂

[@theapplguy]

I hadn't seen a Video for 2 Months & this Video has quite a few links to Aeronautical Knowledge Apps and Links! Will you be posting more content regularly? I'm just 'Sitting-at-Anchor here in the ICW headed South!

[@JMMYTB]

N80283 was the first plane I ever flew 😊 2:08

[@alexdiersen]

Enjoy seeing a new video! Fly safe

[@MichaelLloyd]

I really ya'll's adventures and I'm looking forward to the rest.

[@TheFlyingController]

Another awesome video Josh.! I see you've started using Garmin Pilot vs ForeFlight. Sponsor aside (and with your nice avionics setup), how do you like it? How well does it integrate vs ForeFlight? ✈🛩🛫

[@komrad1983]

I follow rule of 3 threats. Single engine is always a threat 1, so 2 more like night and IMC or Night and terrain is a no go.

[@tommcdonald6597]

Excellent landing, thank you

[@captaine.1223]

I LEARNED QUITE A BIT IN THIS VIDEO. THANK YOU!

[@tTenKay]

Awesomely made video as always!

[@HondaGoldwingGL1800]

Good to see another video. Also just wondering...what did you decide to do about the 337 Sky Master? I had the same issue you had going thru this pass. We hit it at 10.5 and started sinking, but the power of my T210 pulled us out and up to 12.5, but we did lose our speed to just over 100 knots. However is is a definite attention getter. 25 miles farther away and we had our speed back and we went back to 10.5 to Burbank. We did hit several bumps, but most were just moderate. Keep the vids coming and fly safe.

[@Jeffrey-Flys]

Pranked at 9:40 … that was awesome

[@scottlenahan8228]

Been through the pass in a C150 multiple times it’s quite exciting to say the least!

[@22cheddar]

It's crazy how high quality video you make. It's absolutely stunning and I can watch every second of it.

[@allamerican7830]

Awesome awesome video.

[@macfan999]

Question regarding establishing 2-way radio comms before entering class D airspace . BUR tower wanted you north of the freeway and gave you the frequency change about 2 miles prior to entering VNY airspace. You can’t avoid VNY airspace because you were restricted below 2,500 feet and north of the freeway which means you have to enter their airspace as you fly west bound. What is your plan B if VNY is so busy they you can’t establish comms in those 2 miles you have before entering VNY airspace ?

[@karlw7764]

You can establish coms.

[@macfan999]

Looks like this scenario just happened kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJvMnmWmq657Z5osi=XsyglMRMcJsM9emo

[@macfan999]

@@karlw7764I’d like to think so but this aircraft numerous times and ATC never got to them kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqnXhpuKd5etaKssi=H5keStdCIzQLUQkU

[@macfan999]

I’d like to think so but this aircraft tried numerous times after a handoff from socal and wasn’t able to establish comms kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqnXhpuKd5etaKssi=H5keStdCIzQLUQkU

[@walk4718]

Very cool content. Really been missing y’all 😂

[@mrMankx]

Cant wait for the next video, great stuff

[@mduthie1]

Josh, you are blessed young man having a partner like Chelsea, best to you both!

[@JonathanStCloud-yo5oq]

Glider pilots routinely fly mountain wave for long distance flights all without an engine. Wave is not dangerous at all, if you know what you are doing. I used wave many times while flying a CE340A. If in descending air that is greater than the aircraft can climb through DO NOT repeat DO NOT pitch to Vy or Vx!!! That is a PERFECT way to get KILLED, particularly in mountain wave!!!!!! Get your wave flying instruction from those that regularly fly wave. That will typically be at a glider port. The flight in this video flew within 40 miles of CL35, a great place to learn about wave. One day years ago, I was flying my ASW24 (a glider) in wave near the Julian VOR. I was having a ball and flew a nice XC flight in the wave. That same day a 172 with CFI and student aboard drilled the back of the mountain by slowing down to best climb speed. Get your training on mountain wave from those that routinely use wave for long distance flights. This also goes for mountain flying skills. I am licensed in airplanes, helicopters and gliders. Glider pilots are hand down the best mountain pilots as we can and do fly thousand plus kilometers through the mountains without an engine. FYI a glider pilot set a record of a flight of over 3,000km in the Sierra wave recently.

[@LimaFoxtrot]

That's not the 101. It's actually a combo of the Amtrak line and Van Owen St.

[@PICOTTSportsEnt]

Enjoy your flying videos. Any plans to attend 2024 SUN n FUN & which days? Hope to see you there. Aloha! Pilot Phil✈️

[@schillaci5590]

Lucky bastards, great panel!

[@highflow6143]

Hey I have a question regarding the heli visible at 20:38. What would you do in case of a go around? Would the rotorwash from the heli be of your concern or is he high enough, so you wont be affected by it too much?

[@av8or971]

never heard the term making rated... is that something new you guys are saying now?

[@karlw7764]

27 minutes is pretty good out of VNY during daylight.

[@nhojcam]

that's new... you were actually offered a clearance into the bravo. say whuuuuuuttttt?!

[@DirtNerds]

does climbing higher before entering the down drafts sooner help?

[@airlinemanagement1676]

IN A WARM FRONT WITH COOL AIR THERE CAN BE A DOWN BURST BECAUSE THE HOT AUR FLOWS DOWNWARD?

[@GLEXFlyer]

The thumbnail pic gave me flashbacks a few moments 😂 #trevor

[@Uchvryheid]

Where are you based? I think you are a very good teacher.

[@scottblasken]

Flying through the mountains at 8500: 1. lean your mixture for peak performance. 2. be aware of the lower pressure causing false altitude readings of being higher than you really are.

[@airlinemanagement1676]

OF COURSE ON TRACON THERE ARE RADIO CHANGES? BUT IN VFR THE ACTIVE/ACTIVE/ACTIVE DME IS NOT REQUIRED?

[@FlyingEyesWorld]

Brilliant as always 😎

[@cortezchris2405]

Great video!

[@travispower2683]

Love the shot of camelback.

[@OrlandoPichler]

What not to buy a twin engine?

[@airlinemanagement1676]

SO, RUNWAY AND ON APPROACH?

[@DanFrederiksen]

I think you said metal can be colder than ambient because it's a good heat conductor, that's not true though. It can feel colder but it wont produce freezing conditions in above freezing air. Not even a little :) Maybe consider an LSA, they can be better climbers and cost 4-5x less to fly. No small difference.

[@BCreative12]

Fearless flyer! 🤟🏻

[@aviatrixantics]

Next time cut through the Cajon Pass...less choppy than Banning...adds a few miles.

[@airlinemanagement1676]

ICE CAN GET INTO THE PETOT VALVE AND OTHER SENSOR ENDS?

[@airlinemanagement1676]

IN A STALL LOWER THE NOSE AND INCREASE THROTTLE THEN RAUSE THE NOSE SLOWLY?

[@berniebrown9115]

Thanks I have missed Chelsea well maybe you too