Frost on the WINGS?! + Deadly Mountain Wave (Van Nuys Arrival)

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[@Aviation101]

CORRECTION: at 17:10, I referenced US Highway 101 as the straight line between Burbank and Van Nuys - that isn't right! As someone brought to my attention in the comments below, that's an AMTRAK line. US 101 was correctly pointed out at 18:30. My bad!

[@R1S609]

Was about to offer this correction. And it’s extremely easy to confuse even well known landmarks around here. Even locals can’t always spot them correctly. Well done.

[@LimaFoxtrot]

As a Burbank native who flies in BUR at least 3-4x month now, t's actually a combo of the Amtrak line and Van Owen St.

[@jessiebullock]

Thank you for the correction! I was so confused because the 101 is much further south. I even checked a map in case I was crazy. Google shows the train line there.

[@Calebs_Aviation]

I thought that looked off! 🤣

[@johnhavens8199]

Video Suggestion! Please do an aviation decision making video about weather flight planing. How would you weather plan as a newbie private pilot VFR and what safe limits would you place on yourself as compared with a more advanced private pilot VFR. And the same question for a newbie IFR pilot compared to more advanced IFR pilot. What personal limits do you suggest for these pilots and why, in the video. Weather briefing and planing is interesting for us from your perspective as an instructor. And safe decision making is interesting to us from your perspective. Thanks, would love to see it!

[@BillFaust]

As a Socal resident, what you highlighted in the video as "The 101" was not the 101 freeway, but the railway line used by Amtrak and Metro which crosses just North of VNY and just South of BUR as you indicated.

[@slindsay02]

Yep! VNY is a few miles away from the 101

[@Aviation101]

Ahh crap, you’re right! I see the 101 south of that on the map now. My bad, still found Van Nuys though! 😂

[@BillFaust]

@@Aviation101 De nada. A small blemish on an excellent video. Although not a pilot, I have taken the train many times to and from Burbank airport and noted how close the train line runs to both Van Nuys and Burbank airport runways, as you pointed out to Chelsea. Some very crowded airspace you navigated there. Although the Amtrak and Metro trains both drop off at the Burbank airport, I seemed like one of the few in car-centric Socal who used it to get to/from BUR.

[@slindsay02]

@@Aviation101 it happens, but this is still a great video.

[@Boomer_31]

@@Aviation101I will admit that was still a great use of a geographic landmark to help navigate. It is interesting to see it from the air vs the ground!

[@JimmyShot]

Laying a black trash bag over the frosted sections works wonders with solar heating, takes zero weight to keep one on board.

[@boogerwood]

You were one of my early inspirations into getting my ppl at 50! I love these adventures and recently purchased a Comanche for my son (also private pilot) and I to log our own adventures! I love that you a Chelsey are sharing these. “Making each other crack up” is actually a key to a wonderful relationship and has kept my wife and I laughing for 32 years! God bless you both! Thank you for continuing to bring us along.

[@sonnicman]

Congratulations at obtaining your PPL at 50. What an awesome accomplishment!!!

[@user-yt7np9ik3h]

You and Chelsea seem so compatible and made for each other. I hope the best for both of you.

[@RyanRoberts15]

We get frost on the wings all the time in the jet in above freezeing temperatures. The fuel in the wing tanks gets cold soaked at altitude and then when we land in the humid air, the water vapor condenses on the cold metal and subsequently freezes. This is a great example of what you said in the beginning about the adhering surface temp vs the ambient temperature.

[@GoodLifeInSpain]

Van Nuys...That's where I learned to fly back in the early 80s.

[@Flying_AZ]

I just flew my 182 through the Banning pass from KDVT to KCMA and back over the past 2 weeks. Trip out through the pass was smooth as silk. Trip back was lower due to weather and ended up being pretty bumpy all along, but especially through the pass. No downdrafts like you experienced though. Also shout out to SoCal controllers. They are always super helpful and accommodating to us small guys.

[@thestove25]

I grew up looking up at Mt. San Jacinto from the 10 freeway. What an awesome perspective to see it out of a cockpit window. Great shots. 👍🏻

[@Jake_WY7JMS]

Her cross-eyed question had me bustin up at/around 9:52.

[@tommyclifton8130]

I am a student pilot learning to fly in Southeast Alaska. It is easily the most beautiful flying scenery I’ve experienced with the mountainous islands, a volcano, inside passages, and ocean, but those same elements make intentional safety focused decision making even more important. I am also a glider student pilot, so I understand the incredible effects of terrain and winds. I have learned so much from your videos and this one was especially helpful. I’ve never found myself in severe downdrafts in a powered airplane, so thank you for sharing this. I have been taught the mountain flying techniques, so now that I have seen the importance of their application it helps solidify it even more. One thing we don’t do here is night cross-country flights. I had to go to Anchorage to get that done. I appreciate your safety focused explanations as always. If you come back to Alaska, I highly recommend Southeast if you haven’t already been here. It is worth the weather wait that may be required!

[@DWBurns]

You need to video your flight training so those of us in the lower 48 can see what you do. Just a hint we’re jealous. When I fly in the Midwest, it’s looking down at ghetto when I fly into big airports, trees, corn, wheat, soybeans, hay, freeway. The variety is just mind-boggling.

[@flysport_tedder]

8:40 "I am awed by your greatness" 😆

[@0284graham]

Just a thought: You could keep a spray bottle with TKS fluid in the plane. I have a Cirrus and I keep a bottle in the plane if there is a chance of frost, if staying on the ramp. It does a nice job of melting and getting the frost clear and it leave no residual on the wing once dried

[@brianf9721]

Hey just wanted to say thanks for admitting the air sickness. It's something I've struggled with in my lessons. I knew it was going to be a sticking point in my training when I started. I've been very upfront with it and everyone has been great and helpful.

[@ridesar]

I fly in Colorado and mountain wave has been a fact of flying from the beginning. Looks like the desert was too dry for the rotor clouds that are often a sign. But on a recent flight review I was able to fly over Rollins pass (11,671'MSL) and get some mountain instruction as part of the review. Stunning views but very much a place for caution in a small airplane. Great layout of some of the many factors involved in flying near that kind of terrain. Highly recommend formal mountain training for anyone considering flying in that environment.

[@ik04]

I used to fly into Burbank often, mostly from the North and knowing the proximity of Van Nuys was important. It disappears into the cityscape when viewed from a Northern arrival. Your graphic showing the train tracks is exactly what you need to look out for to avoid getting lost... Van Nuys also has one of the weirdest IAPs ever, the LDA-C. It uses a localizer off the Burbank ILS, with a MAP at the end of the perpendicular runway!

[@jcturner3]

Your narrative gave me reason to pause and reflect...I have been in a mountain wave situation flying between KLGB and KIZA at night. Passing through San Marcos Pass in a constant 500fpm, sometimes 1000fpm, descent facing complete and total darkness out the windscreen was nerve-racking. I made it through as the mountain wave eased as I closed in on the pass. I did have a bailout plan (no Trevor Jacobs intentions here) to make a 90 degree turn to land at KSBA to wait out the winds. Glad to see you and Chels back! Sorry we didn't link up while you were here on the Central Coast.

[@JonathanStCloud-yo5oq]

Learn to fly wave from those that fly wave. Depending on where you are in the wave a 90 degree could firmly plant you in the deepest tough of the wave.

[@clearance_delivery]

Josh & Chelsea, you both are amazing! Your videos are inspiring each time. I looked forward to part 2 of this video and it did not disappoint. How you make time for flying & editing is a super impressive!!! Please don’t feel pressured to post videos on a regular bases, take care of yourself first and the people who watch these videos will support you though and through!

[@randya9810]

Glad to see you guys back Josh

[@philn2837]

Great Josh and Chelsea! It was a very informative flight!

[@vsznry]

Hi from SNA ! Careful in them valleys! Plane English should be incorporated into MSFS!

[@davidd6635]

Thanks again for a great episode. Have been a subscriber from central Texas for a Long time. Suggestion: Always use Both hands when checking control surfaces.

[@charlestym6322]

Great job guys. When is Chelsea going to get her tailwheel endorsement. Come on Josh throw the bush flying guys a bit of back country adventure !!

[@Calebs_Aviation]

Great video Josh! Way to keep it safe and still fun and educational! This video really hit close to home with me as I’ve taken risks I shouldn’t have and won’t in the future! I hope to be a safer aviator and your channel has played a large part in my view and flying practices! 😅 Cheers 🥂 -Caleb’s Aviation

[@EuroAviators]

Welcome back, this was yet another great well-made episode! 😎👍🏼 I could tell many downdraft and rotor stories from the Alps. Some days are even not flyable due to "Föhn", which is sometimes hard to accept on fantastic clear sky days. Well done on the handling and searching for updrafts, which might sound obvious during (de)briefing, but when stress comes into the cockpit, it's easy to forget.

[@chuckpowell391]

Excellent film and great teaching moments. Looking forward to the next video. Thanks Josh and Chelsea.

[@kenklingenberg4680]

Great seeing you both again.

[@jackgill2501]

Thank you very much; great job and safe travels!

[@william_ochieng]

Glad to see a new post ❤ Looking forward to watching it on my free time 💯

[@garyreed2206]

Haven't been mountain flying yet but I have had similar experience in flat country. Flying along and encountering clear weather convection activity that exceeded the performance of my aircraft. One minute, you're at full throttle and still descending; the next minute, you're at idle and yellow line and still climbing. Just along for the ride.

[@tTenKay]

Awesomely made video as always!

[@MrSfredrik]

What an amazing scenery and astonishing video quality. Thanks for showing this aviation adventure!

[@edmoore3910]

Thank you for another great show.

[@STOLrover]

Good to see you guys back with another video.

[@fireflyrobert]

Fabulous video thanks

[@SomeDayPilot13]

So glad to have you back Josh! 🔥🔥🔥

[@GeorgesAdventure-LetsGO]

Great content. Look forward to the next one.

[@mrMankx]

Cant wait for the next video, great stuff

[@hillcrestannie]

Great video as always !

[@CatalystRu]

Oh the Banning Pass. Great memories from my long XC for my PP back in the early 90s! Home airport was TOA.

[@tjwilliams7246]

Very good to see you and Chels. Very good job talking about Mountain Wave . Very important for people to realize what the hills and mountains can do to the wind. Very good job with this discussion. Keep up the good work and looking forward to the next one. Take care and Be safe.

[@CoolStuff108]

Heck yeah!! Amazing work Mike and crew! And extremely well planned and redundant saftey plans. This is the kind of examples we need set in aviation. Plan plan plan and never be afraid to say no and back out. Back to work! 👊

[@raymondrysdyk8630]

Great content loved it thanks 😊

[@danielmoss2394]

Glad you are back.

[@FlyingEyesWorld]

Brilliant as always 😎

[@tommcdonald6597]

Excellent landing, thank you

[@jamest7551]

Thanks for another great video Josh! Thank you for explaining everything so well. Always love flying with y'all!

[@Kyzyl_Tuva]

Great video Josh and Chelsea. I love flying in/out of VNY

[@tucksmith8300]

Good flying Josh

[@AlexM2299]

Excellent video Josh! And love the tip about motion sickness. Just started my training recently.

[@21trips]

The metal gets colder than the ambient temperature because of loss of the “heat of vaporization” caused by the evaporation of water off the metal. This is the same phenomenon that cools your skin when you sweat. It takes a lot of energy to turn water into gas and that energy comes from the metal in the form of losing temperature.

[@tn8402]

Radiative heat losses to a clear dark night sky are typically more often the cause of the temp drop

[@stefflus08]

But you're having the opposite of vapourization conditions. Radiation is the main thing here and the sky only has to be clear, it doesn't have to be night. But you'd have to be in shade or in the arctic before the winter sun is weak enough to be overcome.

[@WalksSlow]

At last! 🙂So happy to see the second half of this trip! Looking forward to the follow-on vids. Keep up the great work you two.

[@nokoman85]

I really enjoyed the video! Took me back to my SoCal flying days out of KPSP through the banning pass into KRAL, KONT, and KSBA. A great place to build your flying, navigating, and ATC communication skills. And we only had paper charts back then along with analog instruments. Aviation has come along way! Fly safe!

[@cortezchris2405]

Great video!

[@OSWCrosshair2002]

Great to see a video, Josh. I love them. My son-law just finished his instrument and commercial, and is working on his CFI to build hours for Horizon. He is also a big fan.

[@jmavphoto]

the handbooks were my primary source along with the FAR AIM when building all my lesson plans for my CFI checkride, which I was able to pass first try this week. Tons of great knowledge is in them that really add context to a lot of random bits of info previously learned.

[@volkerjansen3901]

Wow, what a beautiful and interesting video. Thank you :)

[@TheAnxiousPilot]

Another great video. I’m currently working on getting my CFI/CFII reinstated. These videos always teach me something, while also just being fun to watch. Thanks.

[@Fredo0709]

9:38 Had me cracking up. So silly! 😂

[@emaneasler]

Wonderful instruction in this video. As a student pilot I am very thankful. Including the radio interaction.

[@AirplanesLuxury]

Thanks for sharing your passion with all of us other aviation geeks/and or pilots out there; your videos are very informative and entertaining, thanks.

[@user-eh8kg1ge9g]

"Wait for more options"........... That's GREAT advice! Never "hurry up" to fly. It may save a life or two....

[@allamerican7830]

Awesome awesome video.

[@user-oh4tq2cc5x]

Great video! Every time I watch your videos I almost feel like I'm in the aircraft too. Thank you for the inspiration.

[@randcooley2865]

Great video and when you crossed the moutains my heart moved up into my throat! Glad you were ok. Looking forward to next series

[@walk4718]

Very cool content. Really been missing y’all 😂

[@JumboShr1mp]

The best aviation videos on the inter web and getting better each year. Josh you will always be Mr. Aviation101 to me. Great Work good lesson as always. 👍

[@rabh6746]

Such a stunning and challenging flight, great job on the landing Chelsea👍

[@kellybasham3113]

Love your videos

[@drcode4]

Banning pass can be crazy or you can fly through there without even a bump. You never know exactly what you're gonna get. It can surprise you. Great video as usual. See you at Oshkosh. Your Big Bear friend.

[@WmRob]

Fascinating.

[@earnedwings5206]

Great video as always 👍! Nice to see you in my backyard of So Cal. We split time between CA & TX.

[@alexdiersen]

Enjoy seeing a new video! Fly safe

[@skyepilotte11]

Nice flight...

[@michaelboley4428]

Love Chelsea and your flight video adventures. They look like so much fun. I wish I could live that I’m so envious.😊

[@rbnhood39]

Great atc guy

[@mattfredborg5687]

I have had the same experience through the Banning pass. Caught an unbelievable downdraft full throttle airspeed at best rate of climb and losing altitude, followed by an extreme updraft with throttle chopped yoke pushed into the panel gaining altitude. Was quite a humbling/learning moment.

[@MichaelLloyd]

I really ya'll's adventures and I'm looking forward to the rest.

[@julianwang9015]

I love what you are doing and keep up the great work also we all understand your busy you some how pull it off.

[@captaine.1223]

I LEARNED QUITE A BIT IN THIS VIDEO. THANK YOU!

[@adamtash5839]

Getting ready to XC from Camarillo to Dallas in my 182. Great video, I think I am going to depart a few days early to beat the incoming weather. Great video

[@ki4nge4]

And..... Where y'all been ??? We have missed you both.... Damn Glad to have y'all back ...

[@adroper62]

The amount of hazardous weather detail you delve into is phenomenal! While I am certain other KZbin aviators expand on weather hazards when pertinent, you go beyond the cursory explanations and dive into atmospheric physics in a very relatable fashion. I recall my days as a USAF weather forecaster having to mark up weather hazards in red (typically frowned upon) on formal flight briefings simply because too many junior pilots assumed they had "god-status, and they scared the 💩out me!" Well done; keep up the great work!

[@JonathanStCloud-yo5oq]

Do not take his advice on wave flying though

[@BCreative12]

Fearless flyer! 🤟🏻

[@jimmydulin928]

Yes, mountain 101 (sorry about that), if pulling back on the yoke does not result in the climb we desire push on the yoke. Not only don't stall, but also go faster through the down air. And yes, down drainage egress is the solution to not able to climb over terrain ahead. Your choice of the mountain downwind of the pass gave you orographic lift and good wind management should a turn back to the clearly visible white sand bottom of the drainage back east. The turn into the wind from the left side of the pass gives much slower ground speed and reduces radius of turn back. Plenty of room here, but in passes with much less horizontal space available radius of turn can be critical. The energy management turn, the 1 g turn regardless of bank angle, dynamic neutral stability, Wolfgang's law of the roller coaster, is really useful in tight terrain situations. Simply by allowing the nose to go down naturally, as designed, no load factor from turning is applied.

[@RobertFrank-gy4vb]

Thanks. Blue skies, tailwinds...

[@audioentertainment]

Got my PPL with last landing of Checkride on 22R at CHD - Good days - great Cafe when I was there!

[@anthonycyr9657]

Another great video, hello from a canadian pilot.

[@denniswagner3962]

My wife has the exact same pair of Fying Eyes Chelsea is wearing. They work as advertised.

[@wb6anp]

Any time I flew out to the Desert area I always went around the banning pass, just kept going straight over Palmdale over the pas there into Santa Clarita then Santa Susana pass is almost a strait in to KVNY always called the tower at the pass.

[@roughsurface]

You just about flew right over my house at South Mountain. If you guys are back in the Phoenix always give us a call and stay with us. We can even put you in the hangar and do some 337 stuff too. AZ90 is the spot. Herb

[@eastendmafia1773]

Flight following was a vibe

[@scottlenahan8228]

Been through the pass in a C150 multiple times it’s quite exciting to say the least!

[@callsignjumbo]

Josh, your videos are amazing. I mean I do some videos and know how much time it take to edit this type of content. Keep up the good work, we all enjoy it. Btw if you’re looking for somewhere to go for the eclipse, Discover Aviation and MRK Aviation at LPR will be having and event that day which is directing in the path. Stay safe !

[@tech49sdl]

Went through the pass a couple of weeks ago to San Bernardino and got ROCKED

[@shoop4040]

While looking for some documents in my office ,I came across the old sticker- Mr. Aviation 101 and placed it on the back window of my car yesterday next to my favorite aircraft Hercules c130 gunship sticker. Thx for the video.

[@Jeffrey-Flys]

Pranked at 9:40 … that was awesome

[@danielklijnsma5860]

Great footage, impressive mountain wave effects. So where can we see that references film One Six Right? Any link to share?

[@SMButler]

I had a mountain wave encounter that was pushing me up! Wason IFR clearance so asked for a block clearance. 9° nose down, throttle pulled back and still clinbing at a thousand fpm. Thankfully clear air until we crossed Snoqualmie pass to enter the clouds over Western Washington.

[@SALI1568]

Very informative video. I fly sailplanes and live to experience the mountain waves. It is all well and good once you are in the wave, but getting through the downdrafts on the lee side of the mountain, and throught the rotors, has to be planned well. Well wishes.