Frosthaven - Explained by Designer Isaac Childres in 12 Minutes

Frosthaven - Explained by Designer Isaac Childres in 12 Minutes (Cephalofair)
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[@DownLow0099]

The map stickers should actually be little magnetic pieces that you stick on, that way you have a reusability to the whole game

[@jackshaoxixu]

Magnetic stickers would be great!

[@ericfolsom4495]

Isaac is so relaxed when he talks about his awesome ideas. I love Gloomhaven, more than I thought I would, and I'm geeking out over his ideas and he's over here nonchalant about them.

[@Freddy_da_fox]

An official helper app would be awesome! That made the first GH even better in my opinion.

[@RageBadgerGaming]

Huge fan of Isaac's, obviously with us running our Frosthaven series on our channel. Thanks for this video, love your presentation and ability to be concise... unlike me! :D

[@XHuntinatorX]

The town building and crafting sound interesting. I’ve never played GH... guess I’ll check out some PT vids of it. I can tell you guys are super excited about this one :-)... Thanx for bringing this to us.

[@arcubal]

Kudos on the improvements, Isaac! There's a good amount of fleshing out the campaign impact on the characters and world events. Now, from a GCX (gamer-component experience) let's hope the intuitiveness is also further refined to create an even more elegant (read: immersive) balance. Looking forward to it! Good luck!

[@KingColonel]

Is it just me or is he a genius?

[@BernieTime1]

A KS Stretch goal for an official Tablet App to handle quest tracking, etc. would be nice.

[@ghazkullthraka1698]

Much much love to this! C U on march 24th❤️❤️❤️

[@markhaessler4395]

Man, I still haven't played through so much of Gloomhaven, but this town building aspect is really exciting here.

[@VaultBoy13]

It'll be over a year before backers will get Frosthaven, so get cracking on that GH campaign.

[@markmorvant5684]

March 24th waiting and ready to click the "Back This Project" button! Thanks for all the hard work put into these games!

[@thegiuce]

Excited, but no where near ready for it. Will buy in retail once I finish GH!

[@GuideauxPelagos]

It makes me wonder if the building up the town phase will be very interesting for people who play along once or twice...

[@michaelrichard1320]

Can we get .stl files for any new terrain before backers get their game? I would love to have time to 3d print any new terrain before I get it so I can just jump right in!

[@russellscott1151]

Very excited about this game release. Sounds like he’s really addressed a lot of the issues with the other haven games with the puzzle side of things, resource building and hopefully more in-depth story line. Also hopefully there are not going to be lots of scenarios which are ‘just’ kill everything but have other elements. Currently finishing jaws so will probably skip gloom and get this when it eventually comes out. Hopefully it is not ridiculously priced.

[@kingabarrafrem4929]

Amazing! Even though we have only completed about 15% of Gloomhaven I'm looking forward to this one! Will there be some organising inserts available in Kickstarter campaign?

[@nandotemplo]

I would love to know how the ks version will differ from the retail one. Also, I would love some monster bases that could also hold those status tiles.

[@michaelrichard1320]

There should be no difference

[@TheSquirtpie]

map artist same as from oathsworn? Is there going to be more of an app presence? or app add on? Also--is foreteller being used to narrate the scenarios? (i heard that somewhere). Super excited. Will be backing--just hoping for more information!

[@jaredwhitaker1558]

I'm going to have to buy a bigger shelf for this

[@meeple]

It's likely what you'll need. 😉

[@jackshaoxixu]

As a way of tracking achievements, it would be cool to collect artifacts and paste them into a clan hall artwork as stickers.

[@louisvangaal2042]

those houses on the board, are they available with any version?

[@CoxJul]

Note: launch date pushed back to March 31st, but some elevant campaign releasing 24th to make up for delay I believe

[@Spyderspawn]

When the KS goes Lin on 03/24 will there be an opportunity to pick up gloomhaven as well if we missed it the first time?

[@isaacchildres8620]

Yes!

[@samimerila1074]

I love Gloomhaven. My only gripe with it is the global map. You only need it to add location stickers or achievements. And since our game table is anyway full with the combat map and characters, it just feels such an effort to pull the map out and add some stickers to it. I’d love to have either digital map or some sort of work sheet to replace the whole thing.

[@BernieTime1]

Frame it and hang it on a wall, makes it easier to add stickers. I feel your pain re: table space.

[@zefwagner]

We put ours up on a music stand, so we could easily see it and access it. But it sounds like this Frosthaven one is way bigger and will need its own table!

[@VaultBoy13]

We just put the dungeon tiles on top of ours. When you clean up a scenario, you remove the tiles and apply the new stickers.

[@pc612]

@@VaultBoy13 I just got the game, and I will do exactly this.

[@RedHotBagel]

We hung ours on the wall too.

[@stevenraybrewer71]

Will there be a built in method to pack up the box without the use of $80 inserts or must we rely on broken token?

[@WalkerRileyMC]

$20 spool of filament and a friend who has an FDM printer who doesn't mind you tieing it up for a few days

[@TheDarktater]

I spent $16 on plano boxes for the first edition and that was enough. It would be nice to have some sort of storage solution built in though.

[@rmsgrey]

In another comment, Isaac has said they're talking to Broken Token about possibly including an insert in the Kickstarter.

[@michaelrichard1320]

A lot of factory inserts are garbage. I'd rather 3d print my own or buy one from a reputable vendor.

[@rmsgrey]

@@michaelrichard1320 To be fair, factory inserts have additional constraints. The main job of a factory insert is to keep game components from getting damaged during shipping, with storage once the game is unboxed and everything punched out being a secondary consideration - nice to have, but not at the expense of getting the game to players intact.

[@Losdadosdeciden]

So hyped! I've just discovered Jaws of the Lion and now I can't have enough "Gloomhaven" stuff

[@martinritsche3177]

Can we have a big pledge with all the amazing buildungs and walls? Is it true, that feuerland is on board for the german version? I missed gh, a friend buyed it before i can and now is my big moment 😁👍 all in for frosthaven. But i rly need it in german

[@pandemonic66]

Will the winter season battles inside the capital city actually have hex dungeon battle session battling monsters? or will it be indirect economic battle thing like a random generator for losing buildings and walls?

[@bcparfitt]

What were the building/terrain features shown in this video from? It looked like a 3d building with hex tile spaces in it... Like Gloomhaven and Dwarven Forge had a baby.

[@talismansabreterrain6621]

Brian Parfitt The 3D terrain shown in this video was a commission we did for our friends at Cephalofair Games. We sell painted terrain for Gloomhaven over at www.talismansabreterrain.com

[@MrRafarius]

I hope they release it for steam too. I can’t deal with set up time.

[@danielh4295]

Weird request but I just hope Isaac would upgrade the box for FH. GH box was pretty subpar given the weight that mine is barely held together by tape lol

[@raziel2273]

Isaac good luck with your project and greetings from Greece.Two questions please will there be any app helper like Gloomhaven and secondly the shipment cost will increase?or it will stay the same with Gloomhaven?thank you!!

[@johnpanagos5835]

There will be app helpers, but the question should be if there will be an official one from Cephalofair. Dont be very optimistic though cause still they havent opened their webstore.

[@Infinity-0033]

It’s around the corner for me now! I’m in Iowa, US

[@meeple]

Around the corner, and headed to your door step most likely. 😉

[@wiz23926]

The meta puzzle in GH was one of my favorite parts not just of GH, but of all my gaming experiences. I'm so pumped to hear something similar is coming back for FH. I was worried some of the negative reception the the puzzle would have discouraged him from including another.

[@timtheenchanter6418]

While they did mention the combat system is the same, how cross-compatible is Frosthaven with Gloomhaven? So, say I want to roll a Cragheart alongside the new classes in a Frosthaven campaign, will it just be a matter for using it as normal just with the extra elements such as crafting and town building? And vice-versa; could I bring the Blink Blade into a original Gloomhaven campaign (maybe with the odd house rule if some newer rule elements crop up within their playstyle)?

[@isaacchildres8620]

Yes, both things are easily possible.

[@Booneface]

Gotta love dat Cragheart!!

[@timtheenchanter6418]

@@Booneface Mindthief - crazy rat shenanigans. Brute - tank. Cragheart - ALL THE AOE!!!

[@GamingMansion]

Will both games be compatible in a certain degree? Like if you own both, can you move some of the character or monsters between the two?

[@Valmar123123]

Hi. According to him, you can use your character of GH in FH if you wish. I don't see a reason to do it (I would rather prefer to start fresh with new classes and that), but they say yes. Could be a little adjustment in some items though, but you can use your favourite class in this other game, and the opposite.

[@GamingMansion]

@@Valmar123123 Well characters might not be the best idea, but to carry over some of the enemies to increase the variety would be cool :)

[@Valmar123123]

@@GamingMansion I think some of them will be the same, not 100% sure. Also some variants, for example similar monsters like GH will appear in FH with a "snow-thematic" appearance and probably skills. Well, we will see, so excited for this.

[@That_Eriksson]

Man is this version going to have those sexy 3D maps?

[@Gutock]

I'm shaking with rage how easily I am hyped for this. We got about 40+ scenarios in before we lost steam, but the town management side just sounds *so good*

[@BreezingThrou]

Kingdom Death maybe? If you did not like GH I doubt a city build will make it more enjoyable. KDM has co op campaign repayable, grundy, but shorter and more progressive in how you learn to play.

[@Gutock]

@@BreezingThrou I'll happily back as we had a really great time in those 20, but after the first set and so of retirements, we just didn't feel the pressure to keep moving. The story wasn't as gripping, which is fine, but the momentum was lost. Here, I hope the town will provide an adequate boost to push on. We'll see, and I just hate myself for being weak, no fault of the game ;)。

[@guruthosamarthruin4459]

I wish they would release some kind of "Premium Edition", where the miniatures are painted. I will never be able to do that myself. I screw up drawing stick-figures.

[@markoreilly4433]

March 24TH added to diary!

[@Redsplattergames]

Can’t wait. Gloomhaven is so good.

[@Booneface]

Hi Isaac, big fan here . I was wondering if a certain secret..."thing" .. that was secretly unlocked in Gloomhaven would be in Frosthaven? If not perhaps a kickstarter exclusive??

[@benco804]

My biggest board game dream is to design a game with Isaac!

[@stevenseufert2520]

Maybe there'll be a Kickstarter backer level to design a scenario in Frosthaven?

[@benco804]

@@stevenseufert2520 well I might have been exaggerating a little bit but it would be very cool!

[@videlrosado6515]

Is it too much to say I have the biggest hard on for this game? I am playing Jaws of the lion and freaking love it. Cannot wait for this to come in.

[@MikeysLegend]

Has Isaac thoufht about getting rid of the monster cards and direct players to use an app in tracking the monsters because it frees up alot of the table space and makes running scenarios easier

[@pandemonic66]

I think they should have both, i met some people who hate using the app and some people are too lazy to use phones or their phone keeps dying. I think gloomhaven helper app should be in the rulebook, or another app like that.

[@rmsgrey]

That would mean finding, hiring and paying a competent coder to develop the app, and would risk putting off players who want to get away from screens for their boardgames.

[@pandemonic66]

the board game industry is already making digital copies of some of recent popular games. As far I know it, Asmodee is making the digital version not Isaac himself.

[@rmsgrey]

@@pandemonic66 Yeah, having a digital version of a game is fine - it's when you have games like Alchemists or XCOM TBG that require* an app in order to play that there's an issue. *Technically, Alchemists can be played without the app, provided you have someone who doesn't want to actually play, but is willing to be asked questions by the players intermittently over a few hours, so they can pretend to be the app.

[@VaultBoy13]

I just hope Isaac is working with whoever developed Gloomhaven Helper so that a Frosthaven Helper can be ready when the game is shipped to backers.

[@emmajwilkins]

Crafting??!?!?! I cannot WAIT.

[@meeple]

Yeah, Isaac & co. just know the kinds of things to add.

[@rmsgrey]

The puzzle book sounds like a cool idea, but saying that you need to decipher something in order to use it has me mildly concerned - breaking a cipher can be fun, but deciphering any significant quantity of text using a solved cipher gets boring very quickly, and printed material doesn't lend itself to automation quite the same way having text in a digital form does. If you're only needing to decipher key passages, that's fine, but if the Town Records from the original Gloomhaven had been written in that game's cipher, we wouldn't have bothered deciphering it all.

[@stephendavis7327]

Sounds like envelope x to me.

[@Sandw1chBoy]

@@stephendavis7327 Yeah, which was the one really big misstep in the game for me. Having it tied to personal quests certainly didn't help. You wanna put puzzles like that in, please make them optional!!

[@NycLogics]

I finally finished gloomhaven. It took me almost a year. So I’m ready for FROSTHAVEN bring it on.

[@pandemonic66]

Yep, i hope the sequel is harder and bigger too (that's what my girlfriend keeps telling me).

[@andrewfairley1056]

Will the game be better balanced for lower player counts? Gloomhaven feels very much like it is designed for 3-4 players, and some scenarios are almost unwinnable at 1-2.

[@Redskies453]

I play 2 player with my daughter on difficulty -1 and it works ok. If it's too easy like that you can set a loot target to make yourself more exhausted in the final room.

[@Medsas]

which classic rpg has city building that Dave is referring to?

[@kezzimic]

Fables I suppose

[@lokihve6591]

@@kezzimic And Dragon Age kind of building your own castles etc...

[@crazyhanyou]

I think I heard him say Suikoden.

[@RulebooksForYou]

Was it Suikoden???

[@Gustave154]

Probably Suikoden. It has the best city building

[@justinrrizzo]

Expedite set up, reduce table presence, hire a writer, make the helper app official.

[@jaredemery6189]

He's done over half of these... :D

[@przemysawsotys423]

Will we see rules for 5th player?

[@isaacchildres8620]

It will still only play up to 4. 5 players is just too cluttered.

[@pandemonic66]

@@isaacchildres8620 is there chance that the 5th player could play as a dungeon master controling the monster side of the battles and focusing on triggering story events in the scernario

[@isaacchildres8620]

@@pandemonic66 Monster don't make very many decisions (normally resolved by players), but you do you.

[@pandemonic66]

@@isaacchildres8620 i was really hoping for more than 4 players because i got bunch friends of waiting to playing the game with us (me and my brother) and we are currently rotating between 5-7 people on playing each session. i guess we will have to customize the rules for a 5th player again (with using 5th player rules that i think you suggested rules that i found on boardgamegeek)

[@przemysawsotys423]

@@isaacchildres8620 Thats the only problem I have with gloomhaven. We can play only when meet with 4 or less.

[@_arkoner_2274]

Did they change the advantage disadvantage mechanic which is really bad in gloomhaven and did they make the monster ai better? Sometimes the monster ai in gloomhaven is doing weird choices for their turn.

[@tomlikeabomb6706]

Is Frosthaven less fiddly and easier to setup than Gloomhaven?

[@claystauffer5344]

+1 to this. Will there be a baked in storage solution to help with this?

[@isaacchildres8620]

We are talking to Broken Token about possibly including an insert in the Kickstarter. We're also working on other improvements.

[@claystauffer5344]

@@isaacchildres8620 Thanks Issac. I use the Broken Token insert for GH and love it. Would there be any way to label the different terrain items in the insert and then reference the label in the campaign guide? For example, if I wanted a lava piece the campaign guide would list "Slot 20." From there, I go to Slot 20 and grab the Lava piece. That would save a TON of time trying to find that one barrel in a double sided terrain piece. :)

[@pandemonic66]

@@isaacchildres8620 is there any chance the insert will designed for quick setup play and organized with labels and in some sort of a order (chronological and/or alphabet order). Similar to the daedalus company's gloomhaven insert

[@rmsgrey]

@@claystauffer5344 One of the advantages of the Meeple Realty insert for Gloomhaven is that it does label the individual terrain overlay tiles, so you just need to look through the list on the lid of the relevant tray to find the matching terrain.

[@derekgarcia3069]

Oh dang! My son (11) and i just started Gloomhaven after Christmas, and are maybe 6-7 scenarios in, but I'm already stoked for this. We're loving the game so far, but I can already see some of the concerns raised by the fan base; most scenarios involving "kill all the things" being one of them. That said, it's been a ton of fun, and I hope we're able to finish it at some point. I likely won't back Frosthaven only because we only play GH about one Sunday a month, so i doubt we'll be finished by the time this delivers. Not to mention I have no doubt it wills ee a significant retail presence given the success of Gloomhaven.

[@HarmanSingh-uf2wp]

Whens it even releasing its been forever??

[@meeple]

Should be one of the most celebrated releases of 2022. Not sure exactly when.

[@pandemonic66]

If you win over all 3 factions and complete 3 scernarios, will the game get easier? I rather have a uphill battle and have the game get harder as you move forward. Gloomhaven's end game seems too easy, it was more fun at the beginning when it was challenging. Even if i put the max difficultly up in Gloomhaven, we just spam area attacks with curses, and the monsters do almost nothing the whole game.

[@rubencoppens7678]

I totally agree. I really hope they will do something about scaling difficulty. Our maybe only but big issue with gloomhaven is that it gets easier when you progress further and further in the game.

[@pandemonic66]

@@rubencoppens7678 i hope people and isaac understand that. It just that i think people are way too focus on length of the game, but compare to DnD sessions, this game is actually pretty short. The setup time is the only painful part, our group has managed to cut the setup time significantly by using the gloomhaven helper app all to do all the combat and monster stuff... and the dungeons we just scan and print off the scanerio book using a photocopier at 300% zoom. Saving so much time on finding each little terrain piece and tiles. We usually finish our games within 2 hours but if we are lucky, we get it down to 1 hour.

[@Booneface]

I played with my wife the whole campaign and my goal was to retire as many characters as possible so I could play as new characters. This helped with the difficulty curve a bit. On a secondary note, I always thought it odd that most games reward skillfull play with resources that make a game generally easier. It should be the other way around. If you lose a couple of scenarios you'd need a boon such as an added ai companion for a scenario or two. With Frosthaven's city building and winter prepping side game I hope this is taken into consideration. I understand rewarding the skilled player with say the best possible narrative line. I would hope the player who didn't prep so well wouldn't get snowballed by an avalanche of negative consequences.

[@pandemonic66]

Currently we have retired 14 characters doing the same thing as you speak of (it's much faster when you 3-4 players than 2 players to retire characters and upgrade them faster). I heard it's harder with 2 players than it is with 4 players. Even though the monsters are suppose to get harder with more players, my games with 4 players have always destroyed the whole at a fast speed. We played DnD and RPG games our whole life so we got alot of experience at making strong character builds, strong team formation & tactics, but the problem this game is that status effects are too powerful... I think that monsters should have more immunity from status effects or should be able to negate them somehow... If Frosthaven is going to be easier than Gloomhaven, than I think we will have to customize some monsters to be immune to curses and other negative stuff at random somehow, and maybe we should flip the winter battles to be uphill battle by starting with easiest winter battle setting, and than slowly start increasing the difficulty with each major scenario being completed (making 3 major scenarios at max difficulty for winter battles)

[@Booneface]

Stun is just filthy in Gloomhaven. Very powerful. Did you unlock all or most of the items?.. We finished the campaign and most of the side missions and we haven't seen a good portion of them.

[@nicksatin]

There are three reasons I ultimately had to divest myself from Gloomhaven, despite my adoration of it: 1) setup and pick up time 2) table space 3) has an option other than stickers been established to mark the board? Oathsworn, Shadowborne has promised a built-in storage system to speed setup and pick up times, and they compartmentalized the game to minimize table space. Similarly, nothing is permanently marked or manipulated about the board, cards, etc. It would be fantastic if Frosthaven did these. I definitely have other questions, but these are the three most important off the bat for me.

[@nomoretelekom]

you could try the computer version, it still is in early access and needs time but looks very promising

[@nicksatin]

@@nomoretelekom I have not gravitated toward playing board games online. It seems counter to the point of a board game (unless you're testing a game, something along those lines). I feel like if I'm playing a game on a computer, then why not just play an actual video game?

[@nicksatin]

Another example occurred to me about different ways of handling the legacy aspect without permanently marking the board: CMON's Trudvang Legends is using a pocket system to do exactly what Gloomhaven's sticker system did. This seems a far superior way of addressing it, IMO. I would definitely prefer something like this for Frosthaven.

[@nomoretelekom]

@@nicksatin many games can be played by multiple players on hot seat so ths digital version helps with the mechanics and just provides the game materials to ease the workload

[@pandemonic66]

@@nicksatin i mostly agree with you, but i think it also good good for testing out characters and learning the rules a little better. I know some people very busy schedules or they traveling alot, so its good "backup" for the tabletop. I was playing alot of dominion online and i learned alot and enjoy it. I also found it rewarding playing with expert experienced players online teaching me new cool tricks and such.

[@BuildAProWorkShop]

Why do you need Kickstarter money after launching the last game plus a small game. Where’s your money?

[@meeple]

The production and expenses associated with offering a game like this would never be funded by the earlier game. This is how Kickstarter is used, and it makes products like this possible.

[@daodasbrot4817]

Sounds great but I hope there will be removeable Stickers and a Content List in every Box :-)

[@SBReligion]

Why not add some special skills to the character panel？The process rules on the panel are redundant.

[@MarlonKruis]

This man, he is beast of a designer, what a smart cookie! Meant in all the best ways possible. I still need to continue my Gloomhaven adventures, but boy does this sound tempting.

[@VillainCollector1]

Will Frosthaven have minis for the enemies? Will the Frosthaven Kickstarter have minis for the Gloomhaven enemies?

[@stevenseufert2520]

I read somewhere that the reason there weren't minis for the enemies in Gloomhaven was that it would be far too prohibitive, from cost, storage, and weight perspectives. I haven't counted them but I'm sure there are over one or two hundred monsters included in Gloomhaven, so having them all be minis wouldn't be feasible (even though it'd be awesome). The characters get minis because they're special: they're the player piece.

[@bansheemonger]

Gloomhaven, great game! Finished it, loved it! Some things started to bother me the longer we played it, and I wonder if they'll be fixed/altered in Frosthaven: - Stamina potions... Completely broken items. At campaign level 8 we were still running around with this starting item as it's just so much better than the rest - game breaking classes: some classes straight up broke the game for us and made it way too easy on the highest difficulty (triforce, three spears, eclipse, concentric circles(with upgrades) ). Will these be addressed in Frosthaven?

[@brianflansburg8934]

He indicated fewer items and no instant kills.

[@donskuzz]

Stamina potion has been talked about during a playthrough of a custom scenario a while back. As far as I remember it is reduced to just 1 card with no upgrades. Insta kills asside, it is still your own descision to play the classes that have acces to it that way, I played Triforce without that 1 perticular card for instance and found it way more fun.

[@TheGeneReyva]

Shit. That lurker looked pointy.

[@joaopreto24]

I would like to see more random things like in pandemic legacy.. you open a box almost without any clue of the content. On gloomhaven everytime you retire a character you know what your going to get.. Maybe earning new unexpected elements and mechanics throughout the campaign forcing the player to rethink every aspect of his strategy, thinking outside of the box. I love gloomhaven but I think It lacks some variety, I'm almost 40 scenarios in and it's always the same... Robinson crusoe for example, the same board, the same tiles, the same everything but different scenarios have different ways to play and different rules to it making it a different experience in each scenario.. pandemic season 2, almost every month seems a new version of the game, introducing new rules, characters, mechanics and so on.. An example, when I take a road event (gloomhaven) and I make a decision that ends up in a fight, instead of the outcome is immediately resolved in the card why cant it became a real fight (like a scenario one) and then we see the result of it. Another, you retire a character, along on your journey you end up on a fight and a retired character happens to be passing by, wasn't it great if it joins you to help (playing like an AI) that last time!? Froosthaven needs things like this, good or bad surprises that no one is expecting, great moments that you'll be talking about to everyone.. Upgrades I want to see from gloomhaven, a board or a scenario for when you are in the city (like a mini game), making the illusion that you are playing another game, if possible an app with some audio (speeches, soundtrack, narration, etc), more interaction with retired characters (for the story to feel more organic), more quality minis, and lots and lots of surprises! No doubt froosthaven will be an amazing game, my huge thanks to Isaac.

[@aalever]

12:11: "You've just listened to the community too, about the things that people liked and didn't like about Gloomhaven, you've addressed those things.." Have any specifics on this been announced? For example, I think items and summons are underpowered and would like to see buffs on those aspects.

[@adastra3147]

Stfu 3 Spears! 😘

[@aalever]

@@adastra3147 Just checked it out, haven't played it - looks awesome!

[@stevenseufert2520]

Summons are definitely underpowered. I think they should at least scale the hit points of them, if nothing else. For example, they could have hit points of L + 3 (the summoner's character level plus 3). Even if movement, damage, abilities are never increased, this would make them relevant beyond low level.

[@Sandw1chBoy]

I'm sorry, ITEMS are underpowered?? Summons I totally agree with, but there's a lot of items that are absurd in how powerful they are.

[@patrickderoo9278]

releasing march 2024??

[@meeple]

I honestly think this may ship before summer time.

[@Mcleody9]

I'm looking forward to Gloomhaven: Jaws of the Lion more - I unfortunately dont have the time or player count to "fully" enjoy Gloom/Frosthaven :(

[@DanRoberts44]

Solo. I run 3 characters, and it’s a blast. 70% win rate (not automatic), Tons of variability. 10 scenarios in, not slowing down anytime soon.

[@willyum3108]

Will Frosthaven outsell Tainted Grail?

[@TheSquirtpie]

I think that will be a resounding yes. only time will tell, but we are talking about the sequel to the highest rated game on BGG..

[@lordgyurex]

@@TheSquirtpie wich is overhyped and overrated in too many ways...

[@TheSquirtpie]

@@lordgyurex Well, that's an opinion, that you're entitled to. The fact remains this is a sequel to the highest rated game on BGG. Isaac has also stated he has addressed a lot of the "issues" that people had with gloomhaven. I believe frost haven will be more streamlined, even with the new mechanics; thus making it better than gloomhaven. For a newer gamer (myself), gloomhaven was the game that got me really into the hobby(however AH:LCG may be my top game). The tension of selecting cards is great and the content for the price is unbeatable.

[@Gustave154]

Obviously. Frosthaven is the sequel to the number 1 game on BGG

[@kornelije.h]

My prediction is $8.000.000. We'll see.

[@Vijay-tg7hf]

Thor = Gloomhaven. Capt America = Frosthaven Avengers = ???... oh no... here comes the future of board gaming

[@meeple]

🤣

[@cgulde1]

I didn’t think a game would beat my favorite game of all time (Gloomhaven)... appropriate it would be the sequel

[@Sheriff_K]

Never played GH, but I love snow, so maybe I’ll dip my toes into this one instead.. 🙄😅

[@BreezingThrou]

Seasons... sounds great, but we will have to house rule, any one says "Winter is coming" they will lose a level from character.

[@thamzhb]

Frosthaven! Now with less hammers and more shields!

[@hugocunha7542]

If it's the same setup time as Gloomhaven I am unfortunately out..

[@Sandw1chBoy]

oh god, more scavenger hunt puzzles. My least favourite part of gloomhaven was all the decoder related puzzles (especially since part of it was misprinted.) As someone with ADHD, putting something like that in the game and making it basically unavoidable (not to mention potentially unsolvable) is just not something that's fun for me. And the end reward was...upsetting to say the least.

[@theendofit]

ok so gloomhavens base price was $80 in its kickstarter. frosthaven is $100 base price more if you want any extras. yet it has 1 fewer characters and even in this video says its about the same size. so why is the base price $20 more? not critsizing just wondering whats the improvment. is it higher qulity maps ect?

[@Omalley69]

Damn i regret not backing this

[@johnpanagos5835]

i hope they hire someone to make the rulebook too

[@pandemonic66]

Yeah, it bothered me that isaac didnt add the community documents and errata made on boardgamegeek to reprints of gloomhaven, at least from my understanding of what i read on forums. I had 2nd printing of the gloomhaven and i heard 3rd and 4th printings were almost the same. I was thinking of purchasing a 2nd gloomhaven (3rd/4th printing version) copy to get more pieces for making the dungeons biggers or setuping up multi dungeons at once....and to get updated rules, but i heard it didnt have any major updates to the rules

[@rmsgrey]

@@pandemonic66 Updating rules after the initial release is a tricky decision to make - any functional errata will automatically split the player-base depending on which version of the rulebook they have.

[@pandemonic66]

@@rmsgrey isaac already errata them on forums, he just didnt update the abilities cards or rulebook to include them

[@rmsgrey]

@@pandemonic66 Which means the split is between those who check the forums for updates/clarifications, and those who stick with the printed rules, rather than between those with 2nd printing rules, those with 3rd printing rules, those with 4th printing rules, those with 5th printing rules, and those using the latest rulings from the forum.

[@pandemonic66]

@@rmsgrey some of things arent even in rule book, like "enemy focus chart", there isnt any difference from rules, it just that rules dont explain things clearly. Or there is horribly written text on ability cards (such as craigheart ability cards). They dont "divide" anyone up, unless you like to house ruling all the problems missing the the rulebook and ability cards and than start complaining about it online that it doesnt match isaac decision on the rulings. Most rules were already figured out before the 2nd printing. I dont see why isaac couldn't update most of rules since than.

[@dddmmm21]

Not gonna lie... This all seems great in theory but I am concerned about the extra fiddliness it will add to an already fiddly game, with even more tokes and cards and rules... Not sure an entire video game experience can or should be replicated in tabletop.

[@1337pianoman]

Have you tried the Gloomhaven Helper app (from Esoteric Software)? Made a big difference for my group. replaces all the enemy tracker, all status tokens and the elements board. cleans up the table a lot and streamlines things. Sounds like these additions are mostly for between scenarios so I'm hopeful it won't really affect the core gameplay

[@mattlowder]

I'm not interested in this game

[@XHuntinatorX]

DTM ... I agree with you about trying to recreate a video game experience... When we start charting ground that requires the assistance of an app, then I think we are moving away from what draws many of us into the TT gaming hobby.

[@Booneface]

Valid point for sure...i loved Gloomhaven but I also used the helper app for a bit of streamlining. I played through one of the free community driven mini campaigns Isaac so graciously added to bgg for free and while it added lots of great ideas, the extra steps bogged down the experience with administration. Great designer though. I expect great things to come.

[@NycLogics]

Can’t play without that gloomhaven helper.

[@Kindlesmith70]

I don't quite understand where to place Frosthaven. Better question would be, when do the events of Frosthaven happen during the main (base game) campaign? The answer we got was, "well we are looking at another character in the hero pool". What a crap response. I can take away from that various things, none which pin point the exact answer. I mean, how difficult is it to say, these scenarios take place: ...at any time you wish during the main campaign, ...before the main campaign, ...after the main campaign, but before the Forgotten Circles ...after both the main campaign and Forgotten Circles. ...is an entire campaign that requires a different party, meaning you play either the base campaign, or this one; they do not combine. Why is this so hard to state? Anyone here can help me out on the answer? edit: given how the game mechanics function it seems like these campaigns do not mix.

[@warpaint9385]

Never was sold of Gloomhaven, still people think it’s the best game out there (I disagree) but I imagine this will easy make $5mil+.

[@yrusomad6]

A rather mediocre game with more flaws than things it does well.

[@michaelwilliams8387]

@@yrusomad6 You're certainly entitled to your opinion but I couldn't disagree more.

[@adastra3147]

Isaac please do not make summons stronger, our summoner with little effort devastates any scenario... Let's keep Frosthaven less crowded please

[@Br0kenM0nkey]

Your group must be playing Summoner incorrect then. No way Summoner is ever "OP" with the current system with summons. Summons were easily the weakest mechanics of combat.

[@dejiodejio139]

God! Who did those card designs? Stevie Wonder? Those colours hurt the eyes! Piss-coloured yellow background with a lighter piss-colour for the text? Neon green, pastel blues backgrounds with glowing borders. What's this Tron the board game? Horrible. That's one of the reasons I haven't bought Gloomhaven. And what's up with that map?! Did they ask a gradeschooler to draw the map?

[@meeple]

check out some of the updates. Maybe they changed some stuff

[@microprophet8822]

Please! Why still standees???? You have an amazing game, but you shold offer AT LEAST THE POSSIBILITY to upgrade to all minis!

[@Hudelf]

The amount of extra work, logistics, and packaging size of this would be ridiculous. 50+ different models with 300 or so actual figures is just too much.

[@lsmithcine2137]

we need to end our addiction to plastic

[@Castorshells]

Gloomhaven is still $100! How about a price drop on that??

[@stephendavis7327]

It was $200...

[@pcuimac]

Please make this an macOS / iOS game on STEAM and APPstore. Why this is PC only is beyond me. You could even use a Baldurs Gate style engine. Making 3D models is just too time consuming and resource intensive. The depth of a game is in its story and mechanics, not its game engine.

[@lowify1]

If storage is still going to be a problem, I will never get this game.

[@intruder313]

Looks great apart from the map art : looks like a child did it

[@clvrswine]

The guy is a bore.

[@FreeRangeDice]

Looks like an over-bloated, unnecessary game. People talk about environmental issues and then back games like this. CMON plastic and Gloomhaven cardboard are not necessary. Jaws of the Lion shows a smaller game is doable and better. Boycotting this game.