Frozen Horror | Plane Crashes Just Before Landing in Chicago | American Eagle Flight 4184

[@TimmyP1955]

An office assistant had me booked on that flight. For reasons unknown to me, she changed my travel plans. Thanks Stacey.

[@JustinLHopkins]

I hate when a company books my flights. I try to choose mainline aircraft and not regional jets with 20 year old pilots. However, people scheduling for a company don’t know any better and the next thing you know a propeller plane pulls up to the gate and you’re saying oh hell no!

[@lbowsk]

I was Rogering her while she was on hold with the airline. She had to hang up. You should thank me.

[@mkuroglu]

@@lbowsk thanks Steve

[@KatrinaDancer]

Wow!!! That's crazy!!! Good job Stacey!!!

[@Phoenixspin]

Thank you, Stacey.

[@kinneykolah8126]

Can you imagine being on a plane and it going upside down? Heading for a nose dive. Can you imagine the people being flipped upside down and all around ? Terrifying

[@MotownWes]

Kinney Kolah very scary very sad

[@libby8090]

Right, just crash if you're going to kill me I don't want to know. Their are several plane crashes that are particularly horrifying, the one where the kid was flying the plane. They pitched side ways, all the way down, all the way up, fell in a cork screw and recovered the plane but they didn't have enough altitude to get it back up and flying. They had fallen too far already. So everyone spent like 10 minutes knowing they were going to die, then recover the plane and think everything is going to be okay and the crash less than a minute later. The flight that the pilot flew inverted for a while before crashing into the ocean would have been pretty damn awful too.

[@mindyourbusiness4440]

12:02 this is terrifying. no pieces was left

[@latashahoward3943]

Plane crash is on the top of the list for the worst way to die for myself followed by burning alive & drowning....with some crashes the victims suffer all of the above.

[@Perfectpearl]

Yes. That's exactly what it would be for me. Imagination. Bc I wouldn't be on this shit in the first place.

[@able_archer01]

This was the first day on the job for one of the flight attendants. Words cannot express how tragic that is.

[@justchess7402]

Would it have been less tragic if she had worked there for a year?

[@able_archer01]

Well think about it. You've landed your dream job, you're thinking about all the opportunities that's opened up. Maybe you'll eventually move up to a international carrier and see the world. Or perhaps this is just a stepping stone to landing a spot on the flight deck. This could be the career that will set you up for a satisfying life and comfortable retirement. And then the plane rolls over and dives towards the ground.

[@massachusettstrains6919]

Richard Xiong yeah and I’m pretty sure that no one survived and it’s really sad

[@benthomas318]

either way, retirement

[@AJ-xm4xc]

Richard Xiong Maybe if the pilots were not such horndogs...

[@gunther_hermann]

I've always been interested in air crashes, but this is forever a very personal and poignant crash for me. My wife was on this flight, exactly one week before the crash. Indianapolis to Chicago and back, a trip that had been scheduled for the 31st but then changed to the week before, on the 24th. But for a small change in plans I would have known how she died, but I would never have met her, never have known her, loved her and married her. A few years back we headed up to Roselawn for the 20th anniversary of the crash, just to pay our respects. As the saying goes, "there but for the grace of God, go I."

[@peterolbrisch1653]

A guy I worked with was on that flight. He was a very good worker. I knew him for a long time. Wasn't this value jet?

[@mariahendrickson1443]

No power steering??? How can that be????

[@ugiswrong]

Good luck with your new wife

[@earnedmystripes2382]

@@peterolbrisch1653 No. This was American Eagle. Value Jet fire and crash happened in Florida.

[@jerjms]

Praise the Lord 😭🤍

[@HankKill93]

Dying on the first day of her job. brutal.

[@elluc1510]

@@amandanunley4176 yeah true but I don't think that she believed ,she would died in her first flight ..23yo

[@HankKill93]

@Mr.t Whitie *Break* a leg! make sure to show off your *explosive* personality on the first day.

[@raniaqarissa3677]

Rip

[@MJK1965]

😭

[@KingLouisDaSaint]

Life

[@daveth121864]

Ugh, I remember this crash. I was living in Chicago and I had just flown back into town that afternoon. It was a memorable approach and landing thanks to the high gusty wind and sheets of rain. I heard the de-ice boots inflate at least 3-4 times in the last 25 mins of flight. The boots dislodge the ice, which then goes crashing into the fuselage before harmlessly sliding off the trailing edge of the wing. But the sound can be very loud and not comforting, especially when you can tell the cockpit crew is really focused. Imagine sitting in a 55 gallon drum and having someone throw gravel at the barrel. It was also a Monday -- and Halloween night, no less. I was supposed to go see the Bears play the Packers that evening on Monday Night Football in Soldier Field. But the weather was so bad (wind and 32 degrees and freezing rain at game time) that we decided not to go. During the game the local ABC station (WLS) broke into the broadcast with news of the inbound ATR crash in Indiana. I had a co-worker whose husband was flying American Airlines from Indy to Chicago that evening, and she called in a panic. We spent much of the rest of that evening trying to confirm whether he was on that plane or not. AA confirmed he had a seat, but could tell us little more at the time. After midnight, we finally learned that he was not. He had missed the flight. Wow. Not a great memory overall. So sorry for the crew, passengers and loved ones.

[@malcolmledger176]

But sometimes the ice goes crashing into the engine and causes a fire, unfortunately, as you can see elsewhere on this channel. Not so harmless at all.

[@CBrolley]

In that game the Bears honored former players Gale Sayers and Dick Butkus at halftime during a torrential, monsoon-like downpour!

[@1teamski]

The copilot was one of my wife's flight instructors in college when she was working her CFII. Really nice guy. It was a real shock when we found out about his loss. Really sad.

[@Gl49ers]

Do you think they had something going on? Your wife and the flight instructor?

[@StrongandStable17]

@@Gl49ers Geez dude...

[@iwenttobunnings7868]

@@Gl49ers Are you off your head?

[@canefan17]

@@Gl49erslay off the porn for a bit

[@user-pm1gg7eu3b]

That was a cold rainy afternoon, was walking to the barn to milk cows and heard the crash about 2 miles away. Will always remember that sound

[@johnharris9073]

Chicago's a lousy place for an airport anyway. Just out of curiosity: Is the crash site part of that wind farm now?(just so I can recognize it the next time I drive to Merrillville)

[@indianapolisbankruptcy]

@@johnharris9073 the windfarm that you see from 65 is in the county south of where the crash happened at Roselawn.

[@egregiousqueef7781]

I was milking my mules as well about 2.5 miles away when I heard you scream. Will always remember that sound.

[@bigdaddydaddy3203]

I can only imagine what that sounded like I’m sure that will live with u forever

[@squidward_tortelllini]

@@egregiousqueef7781 im dead

[@tangerinesky3336]

I like the poignant and sensitive way you handle the actual crash scenes -- no flames or explosions, simply dignity for the dead.

[@drats1279]

What crash scenes Tangy, only one photo of the actual crash scene the rest was animated. The lack of explosion or fire was explained. Had nothing to do with dignity for the dead.

[@jerrymarshall2095]

Please Mary poppins

[@craycraywolf6726]

​@@drats1279TFC still doesn't do dramatic intense crash scenes for other videos, they simply cut to black. Thus this person's statement still rings true

[@DNSKansas]

Aguiar, Orlando, 29, Round Lake, IL - Pilot Gagliano, Jeffrey, 30, Eagle, WI - Co-pilot Holberg, Amanda, 23, Houston, TX - Flight attendant Modaff, Sandi, 27, Naperville, IL - Flight attendant

What's your point? You got to start at a young age no matter what your job entails, , hokay?

[@Kibbelingg]

@ I think he's paying tribute to the perished crew members...

[@cancelanime1507]

David Steinle R.I.P

[@markwest5216]

R.I.P

[@donniesdesertcannabis9246]

I wonder which flight attendant horny Orlando was trying to bang instead of flying the plane... Sandi or Amanda?

[@AugustTha2nd]

I cannot imagine seeing the ground coming at you so fast

[@danielhartin7680]

After doing a 360 roll.

[@KONAMAN100]

Luckily you will never have to. All being well.

[@kathypappas6867]

That's what I was thinking. First to do a full roll around in the sky and then to nosedive. 😢

[@BarbGressel]

Before Thanksgiving, I found this channel. I spent an afternoon watching quite a few of the videos. I was so sad when I heard about the many deaths but glad to hear that new checkpoints were instituted to make flying more safe. A few days later we flew to Dallas/Ft. Worth. Five minutes before landing our pilot came on the intercom announcing that one of the systems had failed and we were flying on a back-up system. He wanted to warn us that when we landed we would see fire trucks on the runway. Our flight attendant would give us instructions what to do if he called for us to "brace...brace...brace..." Our flight attendant gave us the proper instructions and then added that when the plane landed we needed to get out of the door with the slide ASAP! Sure enough, there were firetrucks on the runway in three different places. The plane landed and then the trucks came to the plane to check to see if we were on fire (turns out that there was no fire). We then proceeded to the gate where we all got off the plane. Many people were on the ground racing to our plane to check it out. We weren't told what system had failed so I have no idea what the problem was. I'm glad to report that we landed safely and were ok. Thankfully, I can only imagine what it must be like to have the plane turn upside down or fire aboard. I know what went through my mind as I thought I could be dying soon. My husband and I were both thanking God for our safety as we arrived in the terminal.

[@BBaaaaa]

Thank you for telling your story!

[@husseinandout3867]

And which flight was that? Which airlines? What was the flight number?

[@ronaldgreen5292]

So young, the captain and flight attendants, as well as the passengers!! Sad beyond words!😢😢😢😟😟😭😭😭😭😟😟

[@justanotherguy469]

And immature. Too preoccupied with poon while doing such an important job!

[@lukej452]

@@justanotherguy469 Too preoccupied with puss puss??

[@MothaLuva]

9:17 The deicing boots are not designed to „melt“ ice, they are designed to break it away. Deicing boots are rubber surfaces which can be partially inflated to get rid of the ice. Contrary to heated wing leading edges. They melt ice away.

[@wyomingptt]

nobody ,,cares" :-)

[@mdeluco4675]

@@wyomingptt speak for yourself

[@Romans8-9]

@@wyomingptt You cared enough to comment. lol

[@jasonking454]

@@wyomingptt actually, 99.9 percent of the people who watch these videos care very much

[@kellyanastasia2752]

I had a work friend/associate on that flight, Dana Thompson. God bless her.

[@joeykeenan2079]

🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@andyhill242]

:'(

[@arabicboi]

Sorry to here that, may his/her soul rest in peace

[@lmao9526]

RIP

[@THELIFEOFPRICE]

Worst first day at work ever. But I would have to say Id rather go out doing something I love (flying) than getting hit by a truck on a sidewalk or choking on a piece of food. Another amazing video man

[@nancyayers6355]

OH, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!! I was in a cheerful mood when I clicked on this video, now it's GONE!!! These airplanes are nothing more than flying COFFINS!!! I cannot imagine how PETRIFIED with fear every human being in that plane had to be as it rolled over!!! I would have had a heart attack when it happened the first time! Getting to one's destination ALIVE is requirement #1!!! Plus, naturally, if the Lord wanted man to fly, we would be born with wings, like birds! Since planes are not from Him, they must represent Old Nick himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@dx1450]

First day = last day. Ever.

[@agustinbarquero8898]

@@nancyayers6355 Why are you so dumb? Your "Lord" gives us cancer too so we shouldn't get better? Because your Lord wants to kill us. Or your Lord makes our eyes bad, shouldn't we put special mirrors?(yeah your Lord didn't give us mirror either) Death is real but it is not scary. She died in a place she wanted to be. You can die anytime, this is called life. Plane crushes are important, so are cars, so is everything. When we do something bad we don't say ah fuck we couldn't do it, we make it better. There are many many many less plane crushes than car accidents but you say they are not safe? Lmao!!!!! Just a side not: When you are in a plane, you are not flying you are sitting. The plane is flying and it has wings just like the birds. I hope you can change the view of your life because your opinions are so incorrect, unhealthy and toxic.

[@Bravo-Too-Much]

I think the dude who got crushed by heavy machinery in a vodka factory while cleaning broken vodka bottles in his first hour on his first day while doing his first task may have the lead here.

[@timprescott4634]

Such a bullshit sentiment.

[@jimbrewer7328]

I really wish that the producer of this channel would give us some sort of information about themselves I'd really like to know what inspired him/her to create this channel and a little background info, I mean the way these videos are made and research involved in order to meticulously include even the smallest of details included especially the the cockpit and instrument panel layouts each one an exact replica of the type of aircraft involved, and the somber piano and cello music fit perfectly with the gravity of these situations. This is the only aviation accident channel that I chose to receive all notifications. Give a thumbs up If you agree. Well I'll leave it at that and will be eagerly awaiting the next video from "The Flight Channel".

[@jimbrewer7328]

Thanks to the two who liked my comment they're very much appreciated. Thank you Jim Brewer

[@gr8vijay]

I am also curious..

[@butchblack2001]

No. Video

[@wilsjane]

We may all be shocked if we discovered that he (or she) was about 13 years old. Youngsters these days can master computers in almost the same way as a musical instrument. With a computer flight simulator and the correct information, they could probably make a better video than a pilot.

[@wilsjane]

+Fish Lover. With the number of videos and the time that they take to produce, I just cant imagine anyone working in aviation having the time or inclination to produce and upload them, I imagine each video takes at least 6 hours to produce, maybe a lot longer. The money from the advertising may be an incentive. This video alone would have made the up-loader around £400.

[@kevindarrell3500]

I was a ramp agent for BNA Eagle at this time. We were in shock while on loading a SAAB .... forgot the # on that bird. We all were just devastated. I never will forget the passengers and crew. It was very personal then. Praying for all of their family as well as all tornado victims here in Nashville, Mt. Juliet, Lebanon, Putnam county. Sorry if I missed anyone. God bless. You all are in my prayers and in my heart.🙏🇺🇸

[@shivpatel5413]

I’m from my,tn tann &i feel ya 2 buddyl0l

[@guineapig4701]

Those poor, dear people. Horrible way to die. Also my thoughts go out to the rescuers who worked the scene, must have been horrific.

[@craigjohnson2301]

11:07 the FAA allowed others to certify the aircraft instead of doing it themselves. Boeing 737 Max springs to mind.

[@chrisbula]

Bobbie Dooley ha you’re delusional bud

[@Epicgamer-xs7ln]

Bobbie Dooley say that those crashes were hoaxes to the faces of the families of the ppl that died 😐

[@mrtuvok5578]

@Liv +1

[@mrtuvok5578]

@@Epicgamer-xs7ln the bodies arent fake tho

[@theshermantanker7043]

Lauda Air Boeing 767 that crashed in 1991: *Sad 767 noises*

[@betsyj59]

This is the first detailed account of this crash that I've been exposed to. I remember when it happened, I was depressed to find out that a professor I knew at the time while in grad school was on that flight. At the time I couldn't stop thinking about how how all the books and papers (book or article he was working on) spread out over his desk at home would never be looked at again... him just gone in a cold Indiana field.

[@shivpatel5413]

I’m sorry😢 feelya but learn2cope instead jeeŽ‰

[@pbpunisher99]

It is mostly accurate. I worked in operations for American Eagle. I wasn't working this flight but I was next to the person in contact and saw the ACARS data. I remember it like it was yesterday.

[@pmshanahan100]

I remember that night. I lived in Chicago and the night was cold with rain and a temp around freezing. It was a Monday night and I was watching the Bears play on Monday Night Football...Very sad.

[@Maplelust]

yes I was watching the bears play as well that night.

[@RAMPRASAD-nz1cc]

Monday night Raw WWE

[@annas.5676]

I live in Indiana. I remember this accident. It was so heartbreaking to hear about it on the news and how many people died. It's something you never forget.😢😢

[@kylein9869]

Go Bears!

[@davidgibbs381]

PAPERBKWRITER - You forgot to mention that there was a pretty stiff wind blowing also. I was living just outside of the Chicago city limit in a north suburb and had just gotten back inside the house after taking my kids trick-or-treating, freezing and soaked, but ready to catch Da' Bears on Monday Night Football when I heard this news story. Still bums me out.That was the night they retired Butkus' and Sayers' jersey numbers. Yeah,very sad.

[@karenmacintosh7138]

Again I say thank you. You're graphics are incredible and I still turn away at the impact. RIP to those that lost their lives.

[@teamjj153]

I'm a truck driver, I remember this this tragic day to the T, I was going south on 80 294 before Lansing Illinois, at that time of the crash, notice very bright light off in the distance towards the south, wondering what that was, and a short time later on the news channel on the radio, it was announce that there was a plane crashed near DeMotte Indiana.. I'll never forget that day.. rest in peace to all the people involved on that tragic day.🙏🙏🙏

[@graciegjj]

How though they said no fire.... ?

[@Dilberto88]

Thank you for this video. This puts closure to my classmate's(The Captain) ultimate fate.

[@abrahamramirez7239]

Bro captain sounded so cool and chill, was about to get some action Rest In Peace 🌹

[@Plathianloner]

I'll never forget that night. In Rantoul, Illinois, SW of Roselawn, the weather was changing here...sky turned a weird yellow color, extremely gusty, temperature was unusually warm for Halloween. After my grad school class ended at 8pm, I heard about the crash on the radio, just 80 miles away. Really sad.

[@pbpunisher99]

This sounds like what happened to the Brazilian ATR that just recently crashed. It was also in icing conditions. I was working in ORD ops for American Eagle when this flight 4184 crashed. I wasn't working that flight, but I remember that day like it was yesterday. Watching our crews crying. Seeing the news on the monitors on CNN. Seeing the names on the SABRE PNR and knowing they all died. I worked on the ramp and was very familiar with this aircraft and knew most of the crews. A very good aircraft, but not good in icing conditions and they are always flying in the weather at the normal altitudes they fly.

[@catwoman8861]

A lot of technical detail and tragic events handled with remarkable dignity and respect. No sensationalism. Very well done.

[@roseluke7148]

Thank you so much for the time, and caring sensitivity you put into making the horrifyingly tragic stories/videos...utube brought them to my attention just recently. I cry for/with those who lost their lives, the horror many live thru to the end, knowing they are going to die...and the very sad loss that loved ones have to endure.

[@frank3RV4]

I had a friend that was a passenger on Eagle Flight 4184. I have read NTSB reports and have done lots of research on this accident. You have done great job researching the causes of the accident in my opinion. I remember the memorial service for my friend. He was a pilot and it must have driven him crazy to be a passenger before and during the loss of control. Job well done on the video. Thank you for creating it in a well researched manner. Pilots use accidents like this to better understand how and why such things happen and to improve themselves to prevent a recurrence of an accident in similar conditions. Many articles have been written about this accident. IFR Refresher magazine had the most detailed research of this particular accident.

[@CMDRFandragon]

For a minute it sounded like these 2 were just joy riding around. Jokin about makin out with the flight attendants, damn lol.

[@cancelanime1507]

So sad it ended like that

[@seriousorganizer]

yet you "lol" like it's funny.......................

[@johnhead1643]

@Tom Evans Right, their conduct may not have led directly to the accident but I'm surprised it was not mentioned in the investigation. Possibly it was and just not referred to in this video.

[@drumline17]

@Tom Evans Then your documentaries are shit sources, the NTSB release put absolutely no blame on the pilots as they took proper measures to de-ice and the conversations weren't at critical times. I find your inability to find proper sources unprofessional. And I find you speaking poorly of the deceased, for no good reason. Disgusting. Fuck off.

[@hunterkiller1984]

@Jens Nobel Sterile cockpit guidelines exist for a reason m8. It's easy to get distracted by small things and when so many lives are at stake...just saying.

[@deanfowlkes]

I think that I just saw The Flight Channel say in this video that the de-icing boots on a plane “MELT” the ice on the wings. The de-icing boots are rubber strips that have hollow channels in them. They are connected to plumbing that supplies bleed air or compressed air from the engine. When the pilot activates the boots, the air inflates the boots. This will break the ice and pop the ice off of the wings. Since the boots are only on the leading edge of flight surfaces, it will only affect ice on the leading edges. It will not affect ice further back. Also, you have to continuously cycle the boots off and on. Let the ice build up a solid but brittle layer. Then, before the ice gets too thick, pop the ice off. If you don’t cycle the boots off, ice will form on the boots in the shape of the inflated boots. When you deflate the boots, you will leave a solid layer of hollow ice in the shape of the inflated boots with a gap between the ice and the wing. You will no longer be able to break the ice off. If you wait too long to cycle the boots on, it might be too thick to break or too heavy to continue flight. Either way, you will adversely affect the aerodynamics of the wing.

[@wyomingptt]

Does it really matter? We get it your an amazing, prodigal genius.......

[@cfo875]

So wasn´t the problem retracting the flaps while overspeeding? Pitch up, flaps 15.Pitch down. The plane descends to 8000 and, at overspeeding, they retract the flaps. Since they retracted the flaps while descending, the autopilot disengages. When they reengage the autopilot, it tilts to the right, not only because the aileron moved but also the horizontal stabilizer moves. So keeping the flaps retracted sealed their fate. Or maybe they should have never extended the flaps a in the first place? Should they have only reduced the speed instead? It just sounds to me that ice had nothing to do with it. That´s my theory. But they said nothing on the behavior of the horizontal stabilizer.

[@jaycee330]

@@cfo875 Either not have retracted the flaps or extended them in the first place would have help to get out of the problem, but as they were in a holding pattern and needed to control speed, I can see why the flaps were extended. It would have been better in this case to keep the flaps.

[@cfo875]

@@jaycee330 Got it. Thanks for the feedback.

[@krashd]

Yeah, I was going to point that out too, de-icing boots are considered "mechanical de-icing" as opposed to thermal de-icing.

[@Raman964]

these videos are something like hypnotising you to watch them till the very end ... Background music is Great ...👍👍👍👍👍

[@Userznxbdjr]

Right

[@ayeshahabib5078]

Agree! It feels like we are flying the plane!

[@rickyngwenya6027]

U Can say tht again, u get hooked although the end result is tragic

[@ashchan0504]

Exactly...like in a trance

[@seriousorganizer]

usually when you watch something it should be until the end in general

[@joe2mercs]

Years ago I boarded an ATR flight on a very cold morning. A few of us approaching the boarding stairs noticed that both the tyres seemed somewhat flat with the sidewall reduced to about half the normal dimension. We sat shivering in our cold seats as the ground crew tried forlornly to warm the cabin by blowing hot air from an external heater on the runway via a duct through the front door. After about half an hour the engines had still not been turned on and the captain came instructed over the intercom that we would have to deplane and take a bus back to the terminal. He went on to inform us the reason was that a water tank had been drained and then refilled the night before but that someone had left the drain tap open during the refilling exercise and, as a result, tons of water had accumulated In the lower portion of the plane. Due to the sub zero temperatures this water had frozen solid and hence the squished tyres and futile heating. Ice is not to be underestimated.

[@elifeyluluney7401]

When I saw the notification, I was faster than a Concorde.

[@theflightchannel]

Huntress Lol, thanks man!!! 😊😊

[@ankansengupta]

You've broken time,Here a cookie you 🍪

[@66lwmorgan]

LMAO, now that's funny and I don't care who you are, 😂😂😂😂

[@Mgbn78]

Glad that you didn’t crash off the runway then

[@raniaqarissa3677]

@@theflightchannel lol

[@cameron3233]

Out of all the videos on KZbin yours is the best produced. I can’t imagine how much time you put into these videos.

[@mdeluco4675]

So you have seen all the videos on youtube!!! Color me impressed!

[@cameron3233]

@Patrick Hamos this was 2 years ago lmao

[@zetothesharkwolf6972]

This Channel is one of my Favorite Aviation KZbinrs!

[@theflightchannel]

Thanks a lot man, I really appreciate 😊😊

[@zetothesharkwolf6972]

Of Course, I'm waiting for your next video!

[@raniaqarissa3677]

@@theflightchannel the fav part is when the "Getting busy with the ladies back here" 😂😂😂

[@valdineadiasoliveiradasilv9806]

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[@jocimarbarbosa]

Yesterday a ATR 72 crashes in Vinhedo - Brazil. The pilot reports ice on wings before crash.I know its too early but can be the same problem.

[@Styyxie]

Worst first day at work?

[@queensheeba1791]

JustAnHLTVUser first & last day of work 😢

[@flowergirl7125]

@@queensheeba1791 ....... . 😔😔

[@arabicboi]

@@queensheeba1791 True.... true😔

[@irgski]

Tough luck for Amanda H. Her first...and last day on the job. NTSB and FAA should have reprimanded atc as well for keeping the plane in a holding pattern so long in icey conditions.

[@ronlanter6906]

Pilots responsibility to report icing and request change of altitude

[@TheSjuris]

irgski Might as well sue God for producing such conditions.

[@johnhead1643]

@@TheSjuris Given all the natural disasters in the world, it's time somebody did!

[@kailumwoodfield5583]

Keep up the amazing work I can’t imagine how long it must take you to make these videos 🛫✈️🛬🛩💺

[@Jay-he2mo]

Legend says he takes 1 month to make one video

[@cynthiadavid5282]

Amazing videos

[@julie198]

I got a feeling of panic by watching this. I cannot imagine what the people on that plane felt. This was sheer horror.

[@dungeonrat]

Once again; another great video! I remember this accident, and I remember my father (who was a retired airline Captain) expressed dismay that icing was still the dangerous problem it had been when he was working.

[@BigDaddy_MRI]

Thank you for this video. It is very sad to know a first time flight attendant lost her life while on this flight. Thank you for such a good video and such good explanation of the problem. One of my favorite channels. God speed the passengers and crew of this flight.

[@122696angel]

I love your channel! Been binge-watching your videos since last weekend ❤

[@skipper523]

Manny spoke the truth....I also lost my job, after 16 yrs with the same company. Jason, your videos kept me going. It was a rough, stressful time, but I looked forward to every one of your videos. I got another tech job 6 months later ❤️

[@66lwmorgan]

Very interesting and as always very well documented and put together. I don't know that moving the plane to a warmer climate is the answer. With the changing weather you never know when your going to get caught in an out of the norm weather storm. Sounds like the plane needs a new design or scrapped. Excellent job Flight Channel, thank you again for sharing, keep up the great work you do.

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[@KismetinCal]

I was transferred to Los Angeles for my base.. it was my choice a lot went to Miami I believe it was like 5 months then they moved them back to Chicago for the summer

[@deeanna8448]

That’s what I was the thinking. Aircraft should be able to safely fly in different types of weather.

[@MsJubjubbird]

Planes are expensive though. You can't just throw them away and get a new one for a few dollars. It would be a huge loss to the company to put them out of service

[@porirvian8457]

I love the ATR. They are my favourites and are very economical to fly.

[@josemantilla-acevedo9113]

Very sad tragedy! Thanks for all the time and hard work you put into making this great videos.

[@98Ranger302]

I was 8 years old when this crashed happened near where is grew up, I remember this day vividly. The weather was horrible even for northern Indiana standards. While out trick-or-treating that evening it was if every siren in 50 mile radius was sounding truly a surreal experience. thanks for this excellent recreation of that sad day.

[@markr.1984]

I was at Indianapolis airport the afternoon this plane left for Chicago. Left off my wife there who was headed to Miami and then onto Venezuela. That plane was almost undoubtedly at the gate boarding or at least on the tarmac getting ready when we were there. After I found out about this crash it sent chills through my spine and I actually never told my wife. Good thing she didn't have to go through Chicago, she might have gone on that flight! This was when ATA airlines was still flying and they had a flight from Indy to Miami almost every day. Thank God!!

[@GiftsbyChosen]

I'm glad I was here to actually watch it once you uploaded it, but this is horrible!!! And for the flight attendant first day on the job 💔💔. After that first complete roll, I probably would've died before the plane hit the ground!!

[@victoriamayo5774]

IAmChosen ThePoet me too

[@jeanettea12345]

You, like me, would only hope so.

[@fireshark927]

My great grandfather was in this flight and I am great full for this video as I can now know how the plane he was on crashed, thank you so much for posting this video

[@laramero]

😥 R I P Still watching after 24 years this happened Life goes on. ....

[@NostalgiaMan]

I lived in Indiana and remember this well. It was horrifying and also at Halloween if I recall.

[@JohnnasWhite]

Yup, Halloween night i live like 2 roads where the flight crashed when i heard the boom i thought it was just a thunder

[@NostalgiaMan]

@@JohnnasWhite damn man. That is rough. I remember this event like it was yesterday. Terrifying

[@JohnnasWhite]

@@NostalgiaMan What kind of videos do you post?

[@kantshribaronia3513]

Every video of yours gets me goosebumps!! Binge watching!

[@jdaniel3068]

Always loved the ATR - never really knew why she basically vanished from US regional fleets until now. I finally got my ride on one in Montenegro in 2019. Wing icing is a scary thing and this is another sad event that improves aviation in the aftermath. Unending gratitude for your work on this channel. Outstanding every upload.

[@jdaniel3068]

@Airbus A350 XWB Silver still does, but nowhere near me. American Eagle had quite a few back in the day but phased out for the CRJ/ERJ. I had planned a Serbia/Montenegro trip then saw Serbia still operated them so jumped at it.

[@OuttaSyllabus]

I dont know why every time at the end of your video I'm in tears... Awesome work as always... Love this channel 💗💗💗💗💗

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[@divestedconservative26]

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[@FlexBeanbag]

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[@johnhead1643]

Gosh, don't watch too many Flight Channel videos or you will end up an emotional wreck.

[@masonblann]

That’s very sad for me as my father responded to the scene

[@cancelanime1507]

U wouldn’t be able to pay me enough to be a first responder

[@shashankrathi6578]

TheFlightChannel superb video. If you continue to make such videos you'll achieve heights

[@KQuinn672]

Shashank Rathi ya I’m addicted now!

[@flowergirl7125]

@@KQuinn672 Same here !!!

[@flowergirl7125]

@@KQuinn672 I see the same videos again and again and again 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@jamesmackenzie1336]

Unlike the planes

[@edcooper2396]

presumably he'll run out of disasters at some point?

[@7777beth]

Flightchannel you’re so addictive, I love this channel. Good job, recreate flight Et 302 March 2019, that Capt. flew us from Ethiopia to Nairobi in 2018, broke my heart when he crashed. RIP Capt. Yared and all beautiful souls of flight ET 302, missing you already

[@jasonmatthews4449]

Nice to see 7777s

[@sim61642]

6:24 : um , Is the first officer talking about the aircraft or his escapades with the lady ? ...

[@rabbit251]

My friend and his father were on this flight. We were about to graduate law school and he had gone to Indianapolis for a job interview with the top law firm in the city there. He was on law review and in the top ten of our class. His parents were from Mexico, but had immigrated to America. I can't help but think that if he had lived he would be Federal judge or some high level officer today. I feel very sad and sorry when I remember this story.

[@gme213la2]

It was her first day at the new job ☹️ rip youngster.

[@randallson]

Years ago I knew a pilot, initials M.B, who flew this aircraft. It became inverted but he recovered. He was on another plane crash doc, they interviewed him. Not sure if it was before or after this accident, but I never will forget the conversation we had about the incident.

[@Adityapilot93]

this is by far my fav channel

[@crsvetteii1753]

As a note: De-ice boots don't "melt" ice. What occurs is that some ice is allowed to form. ar the propoer time, given the thickness of the leading edge ice, the boots "inflate" (in reality a vacuum is released) and.that expansion essentially causes ice to break off in chunks. Not an ideal system but it typically works on "rime ice."

[@rishiemansingh2276]

this is so so sad. god bless their souls

[@donaldwrightnour1515]

Rishie Mansingh '

[@savannahalcco352]

There is more to this story. I hear it first hand a few times a year because I live somewhere that will never forget. I live in Rensselaer, IN just miles from the crash. I was not yet born but the stories I have been told will live on forever and haunt me and many others. The photos you see here are not far off from what it looked like when first responders arrived. Multiple counties had all hands on deck, Rensselaer police and fire department as well as the Jasper County corner arrived shortly after the cleanup had started. A family friend who at the time worked with the corner as well as the fire department recounted that he was approaching the crash on foot with body bags when another first responder told him "You won't be needing that." My mother who worked part time at Rensselaer Walmart at that time recalls a group of responders coming in and speaking with a manager. Shortly after employees were called to remove every single zipper bag from the shelves and pack them up along with multiple pallets from the back. I have spoken with many first responders that worked that night. In 2018 three small personal plains crashed in the span of three months. No one was seriously hurt but it was the talk of our little town, naturally, the recounting of stories of flight 4184 filled my show room for weeks following. One after another those who were there told the same tale. For days they took shifts walking the field and placing remains in small bags. Everything left behind could fit inside a small bag. Later the families of the victims visited the crash and criticized Newton County for not being more careful with the clean up after finding more remains themselves. The crash itself is marked with a road side memorial on N 400 E and the field is still farmed. This crash will remain on this small towns heart forever.

[@shivpatel5413]

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[@vetnet914]

At 9:16 there is incorrect information. Deicing boots DO NOT melt the ice. They are a rubber membrane, which is filled with compressed air, thus causing the membrane to expand, which then causes the ice to break off and fall away.

[@ThatClassic70sGirl]

So it changes the contour between the ice and the membrane, causing the ice to lose contact? :) Thanks for that bit of information. I learned something; and can almost picture it happening.

[@matthewvaughan8192]

Thanks. Been wondering how the fuck it was possible to melt ice off a plane mid-flight.

[@vetnet914]

With heaters like you find on Jets, you can melt the ice off of wings and other control surfaces mid flight. However, the best method with these systems is engaging them before you encounter icing conditions, so that ice never develops. The two most common anti-icing or deicing systems on Jet airframes are the bleed air system which bleeds hot air from the engines into internal piccolo tubes, thus causing flight surfaces to remain above the freezing point and the electro-thermal ice protection system, which is a system I frankly do not have much information on.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

great explanation!

[@sabrinatwigg1966]

My husband just explained this to me....he's a pilot...I couldn't imagining how melting the ice with heaters while ice has already formed on the wing, would be effective. Wouldn't the melted ice just refreeze?

[@oldmanc2]

An ex-Manchester Grammar School (UK) pupil was on that flight. The world is so connected, we share pain globally when air accidents happen

[@jyawesomeness6851]

Mate you have done really well on these vids! , bless everyone’s souls that have been lost and hope you make more great vids in the future! 👍

[@taraann7753]

Once you start watching these videos you just have to watch to the end, great viewing..Thankyou

[@TheDustbinofHistory]

Nice vid but some technical issues with scenario. Plane crashed because pilots kept flying in icing conditions when they should have gotten out. The pilots lost control because the ice added a tremendous amount of weight and altered the airflow over the wings. That is why the pitch attitude changed. Pilots never asked themselves “why”. Pitching nose up without a control input signals danger. Response is not to add flaps, but to lower the nose. They could not lower the nose because the plane was sinking due to ice weight. Pilots made the classic mistake of trying to hold altitude by raising nose using the flaps for the lift they couldn’t get from the iced wings. The plane stalled and then spun, eventually went in nearly vertical. Almost identical crash of same model in Buffalo, NY. The de-icing boots don’t melt the ice. They inflate and cause the ice to break, and then the airflow blows the ice off. But for this, the entire airplane is iced, and it is getting very heavy. Boots just can’t deal with airframe icing. From the cockpit dialogue, the pilots were engaged with distracted banter instead of flying the aircraft. That is just a major “no-no”, especially when they were in a dangerous flying situation, which they failed to understand. RIP all those lost souls.

[@wiskyvet]

Thanks for confirming that the boots inflate. I knew that from doing a lot of advertising photography for avionics manufacturers back in the '80s. But after reading that here I wondered if something had changed since then.

[@thisisnotmyname3064]

Most people probably won't read this, but you're absolutely right. ATR expanded the boots and clarified the proceedures to increase safety, which is great, but these pilots were already doing things that were not standard procedure. How is that ATR's fault? Not only was it against procedure, it is against fundamental piloting to hold in severe icing, to leave the autopilot on in severe icing, to extend flaps in severe icing, and to be distracted during severe icing. ATR shouldn't have to spell these things out in the procedures, but after the accident they did. It's sad, and I hate to criticize the pilots, but the conclusions drawn here and by the public are just misinformation being transmitted between misinformed people.

[@markprange238]

Eustacius: The Buffalo crash was not an ATR, nor from effects of airframe ice.

[@DriveByShouting]

You are spreading Incorrect information. Not only about American Eagle 4184, but also Colgan 3407, which wasn’t caused by anything having to do with ice and also an entirely different airplane, a Canadair Dash 8 Q400, Not an ATR-72 like Eagle 4184. You can do better.

[@tokyworld]

@@thisisnotmyname3064 One would have to look at the weather report on that day if during descent other aircraft reported severe or moderate icing. PIC and FO failed to understand the seriousness of the landing scenario in front of them, also (this part is my speculation as Im no pilot myself) ATC (most likely) not being a pilot herself puting them 8000 ft on icing conditions contributed to the ice formation on the wings. I think ATC should issue holding patterns above the weather and once cleared for landing, they should brief pilots on the weather conditions of their descent, maybe this is so, I dont know.

[@darreno1450]

I saw a ton of these things at Mia. They're all gone now. The Embraers have taken their place. I was always amazed at how narrow their wings were.

[@hairglowingkyle4572]

Literally 5 people saying they're first Stop

[@zEternus]

Second

[@PAVLOS2000]

Kyle Kuriyama for some reason you cant see others comments in a new video.Thats my excuse.

[@Maplelust]

you're contributing to the cancer you dunce.

[@wyomingptt]

Fifth?

[@Ayeshteni]

Better than 3000 people stating they were there when the incident happened.

[@edwardestes8038]

I live just 17 miles from where this ATR crashed in Roselawn.I have visited the roadside memorial many many times....have shown it to hundreds of people.I would always say a prayer for the lost 68 souls that violently died in the bean field.I live in Wheatfield and this one nurse that was attending to me one visit i did for my yearly blood work and check up.She lived near the crash sight and told me that many eerie hauntings were happening around her neighborhood weeks after.As if the spirits of the dead were trying to communicate some how with the living.This also happened at the sight of flight 191 in Chicagos crash in 1979 at O'hare.RIP to all who passed.

[@omarijoseph3189]

very good work here,well recreated and full detailed/documented, unfortunate situation, especially for the first time flight attendant...SMH!!

[@Userznxbdjr]

Yes, that day was unlucky for her.

[@freespiritxoxo7343]

@@Userznxbdjr instead of saying "unlucky" i think it was somehow someway just her time. My mom always used to say God is in control.

[@Userznxbdjr]

@@freespiritxoxo7343 o hello I am a big fan of God.

[@freespiritxoxo7343]

@@Userznxbdjr im ambivalent when it comes to God. I can't seem to get myself to church but whenever something is wrong in my life or im in pain i cry to God. Its crazy how we can trust someone so implicitly that we never met. My mind reels about that.

[@Userznxbdjr]

@@freespiritxoxo7343 yeah even when I fly a flight simulator I praise God.

[@madwomennz]

I love watching your videos as they have so much info in them. I also love to see the graphics in them as well. It's sad that just as with anything else, new safety things are put in place or improvements are only even made after a loss of life. In the ideal world, this wouldn't happen. Everything would have been thought of at the planning & design stages & there would be no loss of life &/or injury. I do hope that if someone one watches one of your video's that has lost someone or knows someone who has lost someone or knows someone who has been injured by a plane crash along the lines of one of your video's appearances the way you always do the "In memory" near the end of your clips. If It was me, it would be nice to know that someone took the time to recreate as much as possible what happened so that others can get an idea. Thank you so much for taking the time to do the research & then make videos like you do

[@foureyedchick]

R.I.P. all 68 people on flight#4184, on the 25th anniversary. 😢

[@PAVLOS2000]

God, the view in the cockpit was obvious that there was no ground left to recover, terrifying

[@joshuaforsyth4932]

Awesome video I appreciate the nice videos you make

[@purpandorange]

Hell of a convo for the black box to catch

[@JohnBoy-iv8sc]

Right?! Sounds like the guy was a respected pilot, but for some of his last words to be "Hey Bro, back here with the ladies" is kind of brutal.

[@vxlley_flower5672]

So glad I found this channel over the summer. All of these videos are informative, entertaining, and educative. Being in Civil Air Patrol, I naturally gravitate towards anything thing planes, lol

[@johnharris9073]

I think this is the first domestic carrier AND first one in CONUS. Did you notice the hours the PIC & FO had? A lot of the big plane crashes on this channel involve foreign carriers, with pilots in command whose totals are half of what these guys had for Time in Type. That, and the fact that so many non-American students come to Embry Riddle, et al to learn to fly, it should tell us something about OUR flight training. I wonder about foreign rules for BFR, and in the case of the crashes on this channel, how many foreign ATP's trained in the U.S. vs in their own countries.

[@ENTERTAINMENT35]

That was the type of plane I had coming home from Philly to Long Island MacArthur Airport from our family Disney world vacation in 1998. It was a nice ride and a change from the regular planes we always had

[@ashleylayneVLOGS]

Can you imagine how it was for the people who didn’t have belts on....

[@Grudeman408]

30 years today!! Wow time goes by so fast. Rest in peace to all the passengers such a sad accident 🙏❤️❤️

[@HoleInTheClouds]

I love your videos! I can’t wait for them to come out.

[@keelsmac01]

So sad. Some of these really tear at you. Especially for the pilots who try so hard to save everyone.

[@DemonDappz]

YAY I was waiting for this I asked you on instagram when the next video would be and you says friday :D

[@richardbevill47]

Excellent video work. Explains the series of events (before, during, after). Straightforward educational.

[@roberthauer4040]

Omg! I know this! Thanks for uploading a video! Also great job!!! 😀😀😀👍👍👍

[@theflightchannel]

XxRobert TheKillerxX Thank you!! 😊😊

[@roberthauer4040]

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[@XxMrRoachxX]

glad flying often in 2018.. ty for your service until now making flying much more safe

[@abitcattywampus]

I lived in DeMotte then. I remember feeling the ground shake when it happened.

I am subscribed to 5 channels and your channel is one of them, i will always be subscribed to you. You are a master at editing and i know how much work and effort these kinda videos take. I applaud you and thank you for the entrainment you provide for me as i an a very picky person. You are doing it right my friend. Keep going and never stop. ❤️

[@MrDjunforgetable]

Great content friend! Keep up the good work

[@theflightchannel]

MrDjunforgetable Thanks man!!!

[@anthonylennen4067]

I had a friend who flew the first leg from Chicago to Indy. It was indeed the flight attendent's first day on the job. I had another friend who died on this flight. He was going to a job interview the next day.

[@AKGagliano]

I can't imagine how watching all of these TFC videos is going to benefit me in any way, as far as finding comfort with future flying.....but man they are entertaining.

[@jdoolsiu]

The weather in Chicago on Halloween 94 was BRUTAL. High winds/rain/sleet. Just a mess. anybody who was around the area that day remembers it because the bears were playing the packers on MNF. Total windstorm. Can’t imagine flying through it,

[@thomasquinn284]

Another superb video by The Flight Channel. What a tragic end for the unsuspecting crew and the passengers.

[@h.b.p1197]

Very well made videos. I was once on a 2 hours flight from São Paulo to Brasília and there was a thunderstorm, bad turbulence followed by what I can only describe as a deep endless fall, some people were panicking and I couldn’t even breath but soon the pilot seemed to have found a better altitude and got out of the storm. I really thought I was going to die that day. Since then when I watch these videos I can imagine what those passengers thoughts were like. I feel really sorry for all those people. It’s really sad.

[@johnharris9073]

I'm glad you're still with us. It's better to live and mourne those who were lost.