FSD Supervised v12.5.5 - Cybertruck vs the Turbo Roundabout

[@hornethurdler]

Thanks!

[@ChuckCook]

Thank you for the support!

[@zachreynolds9060]

You're going to make the ADAS team open a stand-alone office in Jacksonville!!! 😂😂

[@ChuckCook]

Welcome addition!

[@jvos]

That would be great

[@Charles-in5xg]

The drone footage on Chuck's videos is top notch.

[@trentweyermuller6977]

But illegal if he’s is piloting and driving. Also operating a drone from a moving vehicle can only be done in a rural area

[@Rep0nere]

@@trentweyermuller6977 He's a certified pilot, and operating a drone illegally is the American way so shoosh 🤫

[@imviciously]

can you try to do the same turbo roundabout with the model Y? would be cool to see if its any different

[@ChuckCook]

Agreed, would be a great comparison.

[@fflodeiro]

@@ChuckCook I think Model Y would've figured it out

[@christianbinek2271]

The blinker on exit is at least in Germany required. No one does it of course (I do though), but I think it is correct.

[@qqleq]

It’s not required if there are no other options like in this roundabout at 2:58.

[@gdok6088]

Blinker on exit is required in the UK too and I would say the majority do it.

[@Anonym-dx2tp]

Mach das mal lieber mein Freund hat schon Sinn und Zweck das ganze.

[@vr4042]

I think FSD needs to "SEE" and "understand" more road markings. But I am sure that will come.

[@jessiejanson1528]

It can. The issue is the barrier is too low so it looks flat to FSD untill it's able to see it for more than a second and then it's too late.

[@andrewdubose9968]

FSD used to do that, albeit with 300,000 lines of code.

[@RobertPitas]

Hopefully the Cybertruck is being trained on data collected from Cybertrucks, and if that’s true, then it probably just hasn’t collected enough/any data on Turbo rotaries yet. It DOES feel like there’s an issue though, almost like the algorithm to calculate the amount of steering input for the required turn is putting in too much steering input, because the Cybertruck seems to “clip” left turns alot. Almost like either the wheelbase was modeled shorter than it really is, or maybe the rear steering is turned off in FSD or something.

[@Khari99]

Thanks for finding more edge cases! Definitely get more data on this

[@bartdeking]

Epic. This is a Dutch design from the late 1990s by Lambertus Forttuijn if you are interested 😂 They improve flow and safety hugely.

[@UkTeslaFSD]

Brilliant concept, we NEED these in the UK where we use roundabouts everywhere… this would force our high percentage of bad drivers to stop cutting across lanes and use roundabouts properly and efficiently. You can’t teach um’ to obey the rules but you can force um’. Great video Chuck, thanks.

[@TeslanaireOnline]

Welcome to Chuck's Roundabout!

[@fflodeiro]

🎯😂

[@cJeremy]

damn that roundabout is awesome. need those in my city too..

[@BigBoneESB]

Chuck's Curbaround New FSD fear unlocked

[@BigBoneESB]

BTW CT is REALLY confident using four-wheel steering, no hesitation whatsoever doing U turns and tight corners. But clearly needs to learn around these type of roundabouts.

[@darwinboor1300]

Thanks Chuck. A new but not so surprising edgecase. Not only does FSD not respect double yellow lines, it does not respect lane separating curbs.

[@seussiii]

"Sigh....damn it, Chuck...." - Elon

[@anthonypelchat]

Chuck's roundabout next update.

[@gdok6088]

FSD seems to have most of the routine stuff down pretty well. It's now moving on to solve the awkward / unusual road layouts. Impressive progress overall.

[@DanFrederiksen]

Good find. Fairly unusual arrangement although on paper should be well defined. 3:58 it stopped following its curved tentacle and just went straight for a moment. I can't recall seeing that before. It's possible that cybertruck FSD is a much less mature model than for the other cars. on your unprotected left it takes a distinctly different path so it is at least different and it could be a significant amount, not just style points. Nice drone view

[@SpaceTravel1776]

Your most dramatic, exciting, and entertaining video yet. Definitely come back to this circle!

[@mariusmeyer14]

Thanks for sharing Chuck. Interesting scenario to test with each update

[@MarkypizzMusic]

Awesome video, thanks chuck! Love having all the camera angles

[@ChuckCook]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@diak2009]

It would be interesting to see the vehicle's side and reverse camera views on the display.

[@peterkn2]

6:10 I suspect many truck and suv drivers have been doing the same 😂 "Curb? What curb?"

[@anteejay4896]

Makes sense why you were invited to 10/10 and so many others were not Chuck, great video and great find. Expect to get crowded with Tesla's FSD testers soon 🤣

[@ChuckCook]

Thanks 👍

[@mikenguyen8084]

Thanks Chuck. My Cyber truck did it the same. It can’t handle the curve at roundabout.

[@billasweather7833]

Crazy stuff. Would love for you to do this semi consistently with updates to see if it improves. It doesn't just want to clip the curb... its okay with completely going over it haha

[@aljohnson9119]

Great Test. I got stuck trying to figure out the signs in one of those Turbos. I tried (me driving) and never figured out how to get from point A to B. I hate those. Thanks, now I don't feel "dumb".

[@matteoperron5436]

really cool video, hopefully the radius of turn issue fixes will help with this. Hopefully a quick update soon!

[@ChuckCook]

Hope so

[@karlschleifenbaum5793]

Chuck found the MORF - Mother Of Road Furniture

[@flyshacker]

Fantastic drive! And I’ve never seen a roundabout like that one. I love it! It’s obvious to me that Tesla FSD needs a little more work on this roundabout. Once they get it, they’ll have it forever. I’m not worried. Just be careful until they do.

[@linuxwarrior1]

That roundabout is stupid. Restricting your options just because people don't know how to drive? Forcing you to think in advance what side you are, adding obstacles between the lanes ... Roundabouts are meant for faster flow than an intersection, and i'm sure they are safer, but if everyone ends up taking the wrong exit and has to go back a second time, you go against the original purpose of higher flow rate. Great content, Chuck, as usual!

[@edhill8568]

Funny how you hate the roundabout and others love it in this thread.

[@Mike-c6f4k]

@@edhill8568he has a good point and I agree with him. This turbo round about are more for nervous drivers.

[@bergonius]

This has the throughput advantage of two lane roundabout without its disadvantage of extra conflict points of changing lanes in a roundabout

[@dume9289]

I am on 12.5.4 and get consistent use of blinker when exiting the roundabout so I am pretty sure that is now an intentional addition and not a bug

[@fsdbeta]

Roundabouts save lives! “Cybertruck vs. The Turbo Roundabout” is a great mov 5:07 ie title. yes, good map data for good lane choice but when struggling with the less defined lane edges there are bad results? Its legal to drive up on the inside apron but then at that point FSD has to treat that as “not a curb“

[@bartdeking]

Great video again btw! Still a few rough edges literally, but we are getting there.

[@Cybernatural]

What a great find. Great place to test Cybertruck FSD.

[@zimbabeast]

Thanks Chuck, used your referral code when I ordered my Tesla this past weekend. Gave me $1,000.00 which I was able to get it with the white seats for free. 😂

[@ChuckCook]

Thank you for doing that and congratulations on your new incoming Tesla!

[@RubenKelevra]

Add four navigation points on the streets around the roundabout and just switch them up, once you passed it. This way FSD never disengages and does the turn around for you. Also make sure the navigation points are far away from the roundabout, so you get the prompt to send in audio feedback, if you need to disengage :)

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

I did the same error last week in Slovenia. We do not have such turbo roundabouts in Austria. I just crossed the lines in the middle. Nobody watched me. Honest!

[@billhuggin733]

We have a ton of roundabouts in Bend,OR. Fsd is too aggressive - it pulls out in front of cars often. It needs much improvement. Glad you made this video.

[@Martinmack333]

that's a breeze compared to the roundabouts in Europe! Nice test Chuck..

[@ChuckCook]

Thanks 👍

[@sillystuff6247]

You speak truth (actual FSD behavior) to power (Tesla AI team) constructively. FSD isn't ready for prime-time yet, but will be someday thanks to you.

[@brandondevahl552]

Great info for Teala, this is the next “left turn”

[@glynnwright1699]

From the country that invented modern roundabouts, the UK, this one is just a toddler in the world of roundabouts. The zenith of roundabout madness is the Magic Roundabout in Swindon. It defeats quite a lot of humans and would surely defeat FSD.

[@TCRS16]

We have these kind of roundabouts for ages already here in the Netherlands

[@Gargamel-n-Rudmilla]

Great find, this turbo roundabout shows us that Tesla still uses map data and that the cars can not read and interpret signs. Even if it did, the rules of the roundabout are unique. To be honest if humans never knew the rules we would find it difficult too. In that respect the Tesla did amazingly well. A lidar autonomous car would have not even attempted to go through the turbo and the operators would force the car to avoid it at all costs. The fact that the Cybertruck is large I think made the turbo difficult also. In a model S3X or Y it woyld be easy since there is more room and thus ther is less risk of hittimg the curbs.

[@ericelfner]

"Map metadata" is key to current FSD performance, when will this be understood?

[@kaasmeester5903]

Surprised to see a turbo roundabout there (I’ve been to Jacksonville once, years ago). FSD better learn about these since they are all over the place here in the Netherlands. The birthplace of turbo roundabouts 😊

[@635574]

Similar one was installed within 2 years where I live in Czechia, people are still not used to how they work. It has less choices and isn't symmetrical, it's connecting an overpass to the edge of city road, so you better know where you're going ahead of time.

[@feedvid]

FSD just needs more training for this corner case.

[@niklasgamborg9562]

We need much higher levels of awareness to reach robotaxi. Time to download some mindfulness

[@stevesimeonidis5488]

CHuck, Love how testing these Edge Cases!

[@ChuckCook]

thank you!

[@DrKoneko]

You should see how it handles the diverging diamond at J Turner Butler and San Pablo next to mayo clinic. I've never seen FSD do one of those but this one is in Jacksonville so the drivers make it extra difficult 😂

[@hornethurdler]

This has been a problem causing me to disengage…left turn curbs entirely to close.

[@dj0hannes]

Big thanks to Chuck for doing many edge cases testing like this 👍🏼👏🏼🙏🏼 This is the kind of testing that Tesla ADAS testers need to do. The training data that FSD Team needs should come from the Cybertruck cameras, by recording the way a competent driver would drive and maneuver through this Turbo Roundabout…. Is there a way you could send them the cameras recording from your manual driving (with multiple scenarios) through this roundabout?

[@STRIDwastaken]

”Blinker Action” at 3:01 is actually mandatory according to the law. when you exit a roundabout you have to use your blinker

[@tashi282]

badass U- turn!

[@chrisb321]

Only in America can we overcomplicate a basic roundabout

[@ChuckCook]

We copied it from Netherlands and Sweden.

[@ChuckCook]

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[@iainmrodgers9991]

Wait till you see "the magic roundabout" in Milton keynes UK! Edit - in Hemel Hempstead.

[@chrisb321]

@@iainmrodgers9991 thats the one I posted above

[@Plexipal]

Can’t wait to see what it does at the magic roundabout in the UK. 🇬🇧

[@brianp8384]

Wow, Chuck, great test! Thanks!

[@ChuckCook]

Glad you liked it!

[@davidalanco]

This was great, Chuck. I really do feel like my cybertruck is learning… and I wouldn’t be surprised if you did it again and it was fixed. You would know better than me, but I feel like my cyber truck continuously is improving and I am using the same version. I originally downloaded obviously.

[@diak2009]

Awesome u-turn!

[@ChuckCook]

Thanks!

[@blizzy78]

9:25 driver in blue truck using FSD as well? 😂 (see overhead view)

[@DiddyBop_]

chucks roundabout

[@RubenKelevra]

I remember Elon telling is that roundabouts are simple to fix. Yeah. It was like 3 years ago and FSD still can't do roundabouts.

[@CrumResearch]

More off-road curb hopping with Cybertruck, please! Ditch driving, too, could be interesting. Raise suspension.

[@amoneoudini1044]

Great drone footage ! It shows that the vehicule is not as centered as i would like when turning 😞

[@Xanthopteryx]

This is a VERY good example of how bad the vision system actually is. The roundabout is NOT mapped fully and this shows clearly. Because, the car normally uses map data and overlay that onto vision to position itself, but here it does not work and thus it fails miserably. It Really suck when it comes to determining drivable space as seen here.

[@badtoro]

JU has the nastiest roundabout in jax.

[@gringo1217]

Come out with the model Y as do a comparison! That would be a fun video to watch!

[@ZipZoomZip]

I've been driving public roads in about half the states for 45 years and I've NEVER seen a "turbo" roundabout.

[@ElectricBrian]

Aside from the crosswalks, it's a type of rotary all over Aruba.

[@ChuckCook]

I need to fly to Aruba soon! Maybe we will bump into each other!

[@ElectricBrian]

@@ChuckCook I wish, I've only been there once, but would love to go back several times.

[@BartoszMisiak]

turbo roundabouts are idiot proof roundabouts, so failing them is actually rather damning. especially with such clear curbs.

[@Rep0nere]

Nice video. CT probably needs more training volume for model refinement.

[@wreckinball11]

As a part 107 drone pilot that looks higher than 400 feet Chuck.

[@ChuckCook]

Its not, my drone is up to date.

[@EDAHSC]

FSD needs to do a better job of recognizing curbs, parking blocks, etc.

[@AmphibianDev]

3:43 At least in EU every roundabout is a Turbo one, ant least by the law of traffic. Left lane: Front or Left; Right lane: Front or Right; But this is a very nice design, foolproof.

[@MyTeslaTrek]

My model 3 even goes over the lines in standard traffic circles. All traffic circles need a ton more training to be successful.

[@hoppingturtles]

wow I love that roundabout design! Really got me thinking on all possible scenarios

[@ChuckCook]

Glad you like it!

[@Alex-yi9xd]

I’m pretty used to roundabouts, however I’ve never seen one of these. I think even as an experienced roundabout driver, I would mess it up the first couple times.

[@Jefemcownage]

Vision in Controls out has improved BUT it needs to have some strategic lane selection and optimal route planning ai layer that needs to improve at the same time. It's like one of those Amazing Race teams with a great driver and a terrible map reader.

[@jjamespacbell]

I grew up and learned to drive in the UK and I am a big fan of roundabouts, Where I live in California there are only a few roundabouts and you must anticipate that other vehicles will be unsure of what to do so having a CyberTruck ahead of me and being hesitant is nothing to worry about.

[@GregOverland]

That was enjoyable. Blinkers are a requirement at least here. Who is controlling the drone?

[@rsamd]

looking forward to unprotected left turns with the semi. Of couse with trailer and fully loaded. 😁

[@davidwebb2337]

Awesome. Good work!

[@ChuckCook]

Thanks a lot!

[@JoshDerbabian]

I work here!! Go Dolphins!!

[@Pedrooo317]

Tesla AI should be paying you. Great testing and example of something that probably is not in the training data.

[@hughlawson1051]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fsd seemed to learn how to handle the roundabout after a couple of fails.

[@zachb1706]

The Cybertruck doesn’t use its front bumper for FSD so I reckon that’s why it has problems with small curbs in front of it.

[@tomyboy697]

I think you should try this in the model Y

[@ericchild3363]

Thanks Chuck. Speaking from the home of roundabouts, the UK, I have never heard of these turbo versions. This needs to be added to your list of regular tests. I wonder if the tesla team will do the same?

[@aminesaib]

It almost like it considers those curbs as dotted lines.

[@ChuckCook]

It felt like the curbs were suggestions.

[@RobWanless]

Maybe FSD can inform the designers to improve the a less than optimum roundabout design ??

[@tonymcflattie2450]

That’s the whole point of hanging a truck, to hop curbs. It’s a feature not a bug

[@AdrianMeredith]

I think we found a new Chuck test case

[@blessguy5330]

The US Is so behind, we need these everywhere.

[@adriasc79]

This is the perfect example of roundabout that should not exist.

[@jamesherring1166]

We have a strange round about on I90 and route 18 in PA. small round about on both sides of the overpass . Truck runs up on the first round about and speeds up to 45 mph and tries to do the second round about way to fast and I have to take over.

[@Mpr47276]

My HW3 M3 on v12.5.4 oddly has been activsting turn signal to enter regular traffic circles but then not when exiting the circle. Completely backward of how it should behave and something new to this version. V11.3.6 did the roundabout signaling correctly.

[@gsmith2520]

Your point on inconsistent driving controls from FSD computer between software versions is the reason I can't trust the system. Lack of confidence it will do the right thing over and over.

[@redbeardengineered]

... Turbo-Roundabout just sounds cool... 🤣

[@ranig2848]

I think Tesla should blacklist this roundabout and especially the Turbo roundabout. The best roundabout is no roundabout. 😅

[@catfishdewey]

“Kobayashi Maru” 😂😂😂

[@ChuckCook]

Finally someone got it.

[@travwill]

Did decent for what it is. FSD is way LESS intelligent than you think and observe. I have to disengage to avoid true crashes, wrong lane driving, running off the road, turns into oncoming traffic and similar about 5-6 times in my simple 20 minute/15 mile commute into town. Also have to adjust the speed a lot or disengage to force it to slow down from 75-65-55-45-35 as enter town slowly as it'll just keep 75 all the way past 35 signs. It's good for straight/slightly curved freeway driving at this point.

[@ChuckCook]

These are all true scenarios you describe.

[@jiraphat2200]

6:30 The grey car did 2 rounds in this round about (Bottom left-drone view)