FSD v12 is SAFER than the bus! (v12.3.6)

Lots of interesting scenarios go down in this Tesla FSD v12.3.6 video, especially that interaction with the bus. Still experimenting with camera setup, so please let me know what you guys like!

[@gavinsmiyh6218]

love your commentary. Robo taxis here we come!

[@KeldenL]

yesssss 🤖🤖 i can’t wait!!

[@DerekDavis213]

Tesla Robotaxi is impossible, because FSD still needs *100* *percent* human supervision at all times. Waymo is in business today as a taxi, with paying customers. Waymo is *driverless* .

[@GahMehGrrrr]

Waymo beat them to it...and there's no real money in it. Plus, this is still only supervised "Full' self driving Oxymoron 2.5 at best.

[@GahMehGrrrr]

​@@DerekDavis213supervised full blah blah....it's a nonsense

[@walterwhite1]

Man I love your videos brother ❤ keep up the good work 👍🏻 for us fellow model y drivers

[@KeldenL]

thank you!! will do 😊

[@tonyfromaus7855]

Good camera setup but would be even better if you split screen with FSD render and other half showed all the camera views. That lets us see behind and to side which is important many times. Thanks for the vid.

[@TheExegete]

Ooh, cake!

[@MooseOnEarth]

Kelden, if you do not state your FSD settings at the beginning of the video and the state the particular car and hw configuration, then this is far less useful, than you think.

[@Cyber_Pinoy]

Actually, yes, you are legally driving and every bit responsible for what FSD does.

[@danielseguin913]

Very well made video. Thanks for sharing.

[@natsidruk86]

People not investing in tesla stock will turn in their grave. This will be one of the biggest value increases in the history of human civilization

[@KeldenL]

++++++1

[@fredrik3685]

Stop wasting time on YT! Go to work, make money and buy Tesla stock if you know the future.

[@DerekDavis213]

FSD has been in beta for almost *four* *years* , but Tesla stock is down thirty percent. Value increases? what a joke.

[@MrProy33]

It's illegal to use fsd on public roadways. Your car's computer does not have a drivers license. Luckily, people keep posting videos, so it makes it really easy to capture the evidence and submit to DMV/DOT with a formal complaint. We have a small group of folks who just starting the legal process, so hopefully we can get some citations going for these criminals who think its okay to beta test on the same streets as our children.

[@natsidruk86]

@@MrProy33 🤣

[@DerekDavis213]

FSD does pretty well on a very easy drive: 6:08 A wide right turn. Not good. 7:13 Slanted (diagonal) parking spots are not supported 10:18 FSD cannot support HOV lanes automatically 11:12 FSD goes into HOV lane, way too early before a Right turn 14:37 *Human* *intervenes* , no confidence in the Autopark If the gas pedal is pressed even once, that is an *intervention* .

[@KeldenL]

thank you for the time stamps! can confirm that i didnt push the accelerator at all the video

[@simonpaine2347]

I could definitely do without the annoying "music".

[@KeldenL]

fair! thanks for the feedback 🙏

[@GahMehGrrrr]

Not safer than a train, though

[@sebastianlahns8023]

The problem with fsd is not that it can not do stuff. It is the false sense of security it lures driver into and than the 1% case where it f... up. The driver should alway be engaged and FSD removes that. Alone that Tesla did not allow any neutral company to certify it and lets normal people test it in public is a questionable practise.

[@renehunt4252]

Lier

[@DerekDavis213]

Very true: False sense of security, so that when FSD makes a real mistake, the human driver cannot respond fast enough.

[@BigBen621]

_The problem with fsd is ... the false sense of security it lures driver into_ This is a common claim among those seeking to spread FUD about FSD. If it were true, it should be reflected in safety results-right? OK, let's look at that. Teslas with FSD engaged have driven about 1.5 *billion* miles in nearly four years. NHTSA reports that the 2023 fatality rate for human drivers is 1.26/100 million VMT; so average human drivers driving 1.5 billion miles would have experienced 18.9 fatalities. Meanwhile, NHTSA's recent analysis of Autopilot and FSD accidents and fatalities reported that there has been *one* fatal accident among Teslas with FSD engaged during that same period. This makes it clear that FSD Beta/Supervised is something like 20 times safer than an average driver; and it seems unlikely that this would be the case if, as you and others claim, FSD is luring drivers into a false sense of security-at least, enough to cause accidents. _The driver should alway be engaged and FSD removes that._ Spoken by someone who obviously doesn't have FSD. If I avert my gaze from the road ahead for more than a few seconds, e.g. looking at the display, I get a warning to pay attention to the road. If I get multiple warnings, I get a strike, and FSD is disabled for the remainder of the trip. If I get multiple strikes, FSD is disabled for a lengthy period of time. True, any safety feature devised by humans can be defeated by humans; but the astonishing record of safety of FSD Beta/Supervised is pretty strong evidence that there's isn't any widespread defeating of the Tesla FSD attention monitoring going on.

[@BigBen621]

@@DerekDavis213 _when FSD makes a real mistake, the human driver cannot respond fast enough._ Do you have any actual evidence to support this claim?

[@DerekDavis213]

@@BigBen621 There is no FUD about Tesla FSD, just facts: After almost *four* *years* in beta, FSD continues to make mistakes on any challenging drive. FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant. Nothing more. FSD requires *100* *percent* human supervision at all times. What a disappointment. After many v12 point releases, common problems go *unresolved* . The improvements could be described as *Baby* *steps* . .

[@GLOWINTHEDARKCIA]

It should've sped up, would've made that light

[@KeldenL]

honestly..yeah it probably would’ve.. but i felt waaayyyy safer with it stopping and this stage in autonomy i am completely ok with what it did

[@MinWu-wm6we]

If you have to speed up to make a yellow you should instead stop. This was definitely the correct defensive driving decision.

[@leviackerman3308]

Then the regulators will step in and gave troubles.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@MinWu-wm6we But real human drivers speed up to make a yellow every day. FSD is nothing like a real human driver. FSD is a buggy simpleton.

[@MrProy33]

You are breaking the law, and willfully. Your tesla does not have a drivers license and you have surrendered control of your vehicle on a public roadway. Luckily, your car's computer can be used against you as evidence. Video submitted to DMV with a complaint for prosecution.

[@BigBen621]

_You are breaking the law, and willfully._ That's absurd. Do you claim that the scores of million drivers who engage adaptive cruise control and lane centering, which have been included in many of not most new cars for years, are similarly breaking the law when they allow these features to control their cars? The main difference is that FSD has an aggressive attention monitoring system, while many of the cars with adaptive cruise and lane centering have little or no attention monitoring.

[@Zripas]

@MrProy33 I will assume that you tried to make a joke here, you can't be serious, no way...

[@MikkoRantalainen]

13:15 I think it would be better if you talked about "correct lane" instead of "right lane" because right lane could refer to correct lane or the lane on the right.

[@KeldenL]

you’re correct! will do for my future videos, thanks for the feedback 😃

[@MikkoRantalainen]

As an European, it seems that FSD has finally figured acceptable behavior in roundabouts. Still not perfect but it wouldn't make me mad anymore.

[@DerekDavis213]

FSD often drives in the center of a 2-lane roundabout. NOT GOOD.

[@simonpaine2347]

Those parking spaces are way too small.

[@ddrdanganvloger2187]

Well, It is safe, until a G5 Solar Storm Destroys all tech. & that Tesla will be more dangerous if not useless when it doesn’t have any electrical charge to move while that CNG bus runs on Petrol, allowing it to move….. kinda.

[@KeldenL]

all tech getting destroyed sounds scary and problematic in more ways than a tesla not moving🤣

[@fredpsimas1874]

Uhhh… if that happens even gas cars will not work without electronics!!!

[@ddrdanganvloger2187]

@@fredpsimas1874 yeah, that’s why I said Kinda. I could start, but without the battery inside of the engine, it can only do so much until it just shut down again.

[@BigBen621]

_that CNG bus runs on Petrol_ No, CNG busses don't run on Petrol. They actually run on, well, "CNG"-which is not actually Petrol.

[@ddrdanganvloger2187]

@@BigBen621 ah. That’s what it is. Okay. Thanks for clarity.