FSR 3 Frame Gen on GTX 10 Series GPUs?

[@chris_007]

Huge respect for rolling out this many videos about FSR 3 while being a full time teacher.

[@laszlozsurka8991]

@Don1984-lc9rh Cry more. At least AMD's FG is available on all GPU while on NVIDIA you have to get ripped off with their 40 series.

[@matrix8847]

​@@laszlozsurka8991true

[@esaedvik]

@Don1984-lc9rh How is fact-based reporting and testing biased?

[@andyhuang8010]

⁠@Don1984-lc9rhPlenty of his two way/three way comparisons include RT on and off for the same games: some comparisons don’t, but that’s pretty much always because lower end GPUs are too weak for RT at decent res/frame rate. His channel is tailored for gaming, so AI/software support is literally irrelevant. There are plenty of larger channels with the time/resources to do game testing and productivity testing if that’s what you want. I have no idea what you mean by problems with “hardware reliability”, and that plus mentioning day one drivers makes me think your opinion of AMD isn’t based on their modern GPUs at all. AMD had issues two or three generations ago, but they’re a non-issue with current gen/last gen GPUs

[@andyhuang8010]

@Don1984-lc9rh Are you really surprised he’s making multiple videos about FSR3/AMD tech? It’s brand new so people will want to know how it performs and compares to DLSS3, and Nvidia isn’t releasing anything around the same time so there’s nothing else to make videos about. Making multiple videos about a new technology also isn’t rare at all, especially because FSR3 supports multiple generations of GPUs where the results can all vary wildly.

[@kaizerlock8287]

For budget gamers that still in 10 series, "It works and near/above 30fps" is still a net benefit despite latency issues.

[@ladyinwight]

only games i tried that i couldnt get 60fps with settings i didn't mind on a 1070 were cyberpunk and starfield (which runs notoriously horrible for nvidia gpus anyway), i think 30fps is a big lowball in most use cases

[@Penofhell]

If you have a good gsync monitor it's much more playable. But even if I don't play competitive multi-player games, non-locked 30 fps on a non gsync display is really difficult... It's visually much more jittery, the input lag being all over the place makes it feel like you have a tiny annoying monkey messing with your mouse.

[@g.eberling8700]

​@@ladyinwightI could get stable 60fps with a 1070 in cyberpunk using mixed settings (med-high) and fsr 2.1

[@ladyinwight]

@@g.eberling8700 i could barely get unstable 60fps at 1080p with stupid bad looking upscaling settings on all low with a 1070 and a 5600x

[@xviii5780]

honestly idk if there's a point in playing games with so many compromises. I've been sitting on a laptop with Radeon 520 for a long time, and I tell you playing in 30fps low with dips is like playing a different, much shittier game. I regret playing Elden Ring like that

[@irwansutanto5202]

1080ti works with FSR3.0 and frame generation, got +/- 70% boost frame. Amazing!

[@TearsInReign]

Just curious, what were the before and after frame rates? I have the same card but don't have this game so I can't test for myself

[@everythingrc2324]

@@ZomgZomg007hey bud what’s the other game called? Thanks

[@gambaownsus]

@@everythingrc2324 forspoken

[@ChoJun69]

@@everythingrc2324 forspoken

[@bryandelacruz8424]

​@@everythingrc2324Forspoken

[@F34RDSoldier805]

This tech actually feels like magic. It's insane and i am super excited to see how much this tech evolves.

[@HunterTracks]

I know, right? It doesn't require dedicated hardware while looking just as good as DLSS 3 FG, it's a pretty small hit to resource consumption, and it even somehow works on cards it's not supposed to work on. It feels like someone at AMD made a pact with the devil or something.

[@2284090]

AMD❤

[@chiyolate]

Yes, the gaming industry is transitioning from "BMP" to "JPG", a slight loss to quality but provides much better efficiency. This is the only way to achieve super crazy resolution gaming in the future, like maybe 8K or 16K gaming.

[@F34RDSoldier805]

@@chiyolate not the only way. There will be better hardware releasing all the time, will there be a bottleneck, likely, but it will be far past hitting those resolutions. I really doubt were anywhere close to hitting any bottleneck in how much hardware can be improve and iterated on. But I do agree that wherever that bottleneck would have been super far into the future, this tech definitely pushes that bottleneck farther out.

[@user-xh3nm8oe2l]

​@@F34RDSoldier805we can't reduce the size of transistors, so we've pretty much hit the bottleneck. Now we can either use all AI shenanigans, stop graphical progress or just make our GPUs require more and more power and cooling (like we're doing now). And it's not like we can infinitely increase power draw, there's a sane limit.

[@StrengthScholar0]

You are killing it on the fsr 3 content. You are unquestionably the best tech reviewer without a massive team behind them. I don't know how you find the time to do all of this but i respect it.

[@jctherula]

Ikr how tf he teach as well? He literally made it mad easy/less stressful to build my first pc

[@fracturedlife1393]

Surprisingly few videos from the main tech channels so far. Cheers to Daniel.

[@plopolip01]

probably because its not official full release , just like nvidias path tracing , amds frame gen right now is more of a tech preview. they are experimental settings since both have great uses but drawbacks too and can only be used fully only in very certain situations. Path tracing only in like Cyberpunk and Portal RTX , Amd Frame Gen in Immortals Aveum and Forspoken. My guess is when more games will be officially supported by the tech , there will be more mainstream coverage. So far tho, Daniel has been killing it on his own.Personally i wait for his tests to form my own opinion. Ive seen some other videos from other channels but those were shady to say the least , and not because of ray tracing...@@fracturedlife1393

[@HunterTracks]

​@@fracturedlife1393It honestly feels like the big channels got paid to not mention it. So far the closest we've come to a channel with over 200k subs mentioning FSR 3 is Hardware Unboxed making a "What do you think frame generation is" poll, before deleting it shortly thereafter.

[@Djxxer]

@@HunterTracks there is no videos from big channels because people are not robots and also need more time for a more in depth analysis

[@Hexenkind1]

Would love to see this on a 1080 Ti. Have sold mine recently, but still interested.

[@Praxss]

That card is beast I switched from it to 3080, and sometimes feels wasted my money

[@owieczkacs]

How much money did you get for it? How old was your card? Im still using 1070 :D

[@sephirothlv100]

@@Praxss not sure what you are talking a 3080 is a big step-up from a 1080

[@mikeymaiku]

​@@sephirothlv100he probably doesnt play many gpu intesive games. Hence why it could have felt like a waste.... like if i went from 1080ti to 3080 for league of legends id probably feel like i wastes money

[@vijayterian]

@@Praxss I know what you mean, I made the same upgrade you did and it feels like I could've lived without the 3080. the 1080ti is too sentimental.

[@bradleydias425]

This is very impressive. Especially if a lot of older games support this. I would love if games like BG 3 start supporting fsr3

[@petarlazic739]

BG3 is like a perfect game for FSR3 - it's quite CPU demanding in some areas + it's a slow paced game which means increased latency isn't really an issue

[@exnozgaming5657]

@@petarlazic739 yeah ,its currently the perfect game for FSR 3 . It will greatly improve performance in lower hardware without and loss in experience

[@syreemills1553]

I've been using fluid motion frames on my 7900xt in bg3 and I'm getting over 400 fps now so it definitely works even without the upscaling but only on and 7000 series

[@steve42069master]

@@petarlazic739 Yeah I have yet to reach Baldur's Gate but have heard it's incredibly CPU intensive

[@theholoren]

what game is he playing?

[@Jake-zp3lz]

As a 1080ti owner I was very interested to see how or if the 10 series could handle fsr 3 frame gen. Looks like my card may just yet live another few years!

[@BUDA20]

did you see the option in Forespoken (demo)?, it seems they remove the toggle for "unsupported" cards in that game

[@natazthordendal]

​@@BUDA20No the option was not there for my Titan XP

[@Dante_S550_Turbo]

hell yeah. I upgrade every 5 years but the 1080ti is such a strong card. Upgraded my 980ti to a 3080, but if i had a 1080ti I would be upgrading 6 years instead to the 50 series gpus and skipping the 40 series.

[@4ksandknives]

​@@Dante_S550_Turbobahahaha upgraded from my 1080 ti to the 3080 as well just recently. Smaller card, but better performance the 1080 ti is so much chonkier than the 3080 x x

[@Traumglanz]

@@BUDA20 Someone will enable those cards with a mod, I am sure of that.

[@LudwigHorsecock]

amd just made the 1080 ti immortal

[@Jake-zp3lz]

Frfr

[@nasheemwhye5197]

😂

[@_Isshin_The_Sword_Saint]

​@@Jake-zp3lzbut how do you even add this fsr3 to 1080ti

[@steveclark9934]

Yes yes yes thank you Daniel so much for trying this out. I am rocking the 1080 t.i. with the 11 gigs of vram I'm still using it even though an upgrade for me is on the horizon it's amazing how far that $699 GPU has lasted me it was my first PC build when switching from PS3 and console gaming never looked back

[@hjgrady123]

I'm in the same boat, had the 1080ti since launch and haven't had the balls to drop the money on a new gpu

[@editmanjaw619]

dude i feel ya. those gtx 1080 and 1080tis offers the best price to performance ratio and me too rocking a gtx 1080 for 7 years

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@hjgrady123If your not playing triple A games it’s still a great GPU. The lack of new features and bad asynchronous compute is what holds it back.

[@hjgrady123]

@@ZackSNetwork I have a pretty good time at 1440p, still get 100fps in COD and getting 250fps in CS2. So I'm still pretty happy. Best case would be a GPU that can get 300fps in every game at 1440p max settings.

[@stuntwill]

I own a 1080, not 1080 ti, but there's a good reason why I tell my friends that I own the best GPU ever made. When you consider the generational leap in performance and how long the 1080 has been viable, there's no comparison. It's the best.

[@Thor_Asgard_]

AMD saving Nvidia products, what a nice gift. RTX 30 series will be prolonged alot by FSR 3.

[@iixixiboy3475]

but how AMD made money/profits?

[@OniMirage]

​@iixixiboy3475 because the 10 series gpu owners have yet another reason not to upgrade and there are still tons of them as well as 20 series AND 30 series owners. AMD just gave feature buyers a reason to not upgrade for several generations and hits nvidias bottom line.

[@henryt112]

@@OniMirageMy brother in christ it does the exact same for amd’s bottom line

[@Mcnooblet]

AMD would had never even had FSR or Frame gen if it wasn't due to Nvidia. What a nice gift that so many series will be prolonged due to Nvidia coming up with the technologies to copy to begin with.

[@SirMo]

@@iixixiboy3475 By having a good reputation of caring about gamers. This is like Costco's hot dog.

[@editmanjaw619]

dude kudos for all the testing. for me fsr3 looks like the best news a gtx card owner can hear. i mean in starfield my gtx1080 cant hit 60 even with all the settings turned to lowest, which is to me unplayable. now with fsr3 i might be able to play at 60 and that's enough for me. ur testing clearly shows that low latency and all those stuff dosent have that much of an impact on rpg games at least when i am playing on a 60hz monitor and frames locked to 60 but below 60 fps hurts my eye. definitely fsr will improve with time and hopefully that will be a good news for me too.

[@SirMo]

To be fair even the lowest settings look pretty good to me in this game. So it's not a huge nerf to visuals.

[@august_619]

when is it coming on starfield though

[@circleofsorrow4583]

​@@august_619hi, you just responded to a comment about driver level implementation of fsr frame generation. Thank you for your useless contribution.

[@HunterTracks]

​@@august_619Either when Bethesda implements it, or when AMD makes the code open source and modders add it in themselves.

[@fillezzo]

well to be fair, starfield sucks. Most gpus don't hit their max load in that game. The game runs and looks worse than Cyberpunk and that game i can hit 80 fps with my 1080.

[@RandomAudioGuys]

To take a 1060 that is that old and lock in on 60 fps is amazing in a game this advance. Id prefer a locked 30 with higher details aka an assassins creed style. But still amazing to see FSR3 take a card that old and make this game playable which Nvidia clearly does not want you doing so they can sale newer cards.

[@inducedapathy1296]

yea I really think Nvidia dropped the ball not supporting 20 and 30 series besides the rtx meme. it's funny they marketed the 1660 1060 cards as 1080p cards and the rtx versions if you wanted to do more than 1080 or have more features. don't get me wrong amd or nvidia would likely edge each other out or monopolize things should the opportunity arise as history has shown but it's nice to see such broad support for anyone and everyone.

[@1GTX1]

@@inducedapathy1296 It's funny that 20 and 30 series do support frame generation on a hardware level, so Nvidia did have plans to implement it, but they say that they made a more advanced version that can only work properly with 40 series.

[@sgtjarhead99]

Cool. I still have a GTX 1070 in my old i7-4700k box. Will be interesting to see how this performs when FSR 3 is more prevalent.

[@Folsomdsf2]

FYI this works in the way nvidia had 'dx12' support for the 10 series. It fakes Async. The fact it's still 'better' framerate is kind of surprising.

[@OrbitalSP2]

Much better. Something like 75% gain. I'm impressed

[@Tripnotik25]

Not sure its anything to do with that, AMD also doesn't "support" their own 580, or even Vega with "real async compute" whatever that means.

[@arthurbonds7200]

This is patently false. Async Compute between different architectures are simply that - different. It's different between GCN, RDNA, Pascal, Turing, etc. because different parts of the GPU can be busy or free at any given time. Think Async Compute as similar to Hyperthreading - since not all parts of a CPU are utilized at all times, you can 'interleave' or queue up work in another thread to ensure the CPU is constantly fed with little downtime. In GPU terms, that amounts to exploiting any under-utilized resources to keep parallelism high. A recent example would be DirectStorage, where you can interleave a burst decompression compute workload while your 3D workload is ongoing since it won't compete with resources like the Rasterizer. This setup can also go wrong if the workloads end up competing for the same resources. This is why disabling Hyperthreading in CPUs sometimes improves performance - if both threads demand the same resources, they may end up no better than being serially executed. Even Game Devs said that incorrectly implementing Async compute for any given hardware can cause a performance drop instead of increase.

[@TheWretchedWorld]

10 series did support dx12, just not the full feature set

[@Eleganttf2]

@@arthurbonds7200 in the case of Maxwell architecture its true, using async compute actually decreases performance instead of improving it, they fixed this in Pascal by adding 31 graphics compute and changed it from static to dynamic

[@RotNcroch]

It is nice to see that people can still use their older gpus.

[@djayjp]

12:00 Wow that looks amazing! I bet the best compromise would be with FG with Reflex (if it were possible of course).

[@texedomel01]

Thanks for the video. I upgraded from a gtx 1060 and had so much good time with it. Glad to see it is still good with the latest games with the help of FSR 3.

[@catalystzer0344]

It's still an amazing accomplishment to even work on such an old card. Thanks for the video.

[@jcugnoni]

It looks to me that AMD has made more to support GTX10 owners than Nvidia.. FSR is extending a fair bit the life of these GPUs and help massivelly with AMD APUs and all 'low power' laptop GPUs.

[@HunterTracks]

To be fair, they've been doing more to support GTX10 owners than Nvidia ever since they released FSR 1. It's a peculiar thought that all modern features for old Nvidia cards are provided exclusively by AMD.

[@Dante_S550_Turbo]

Nvidia has been trying to get ppl off of the 10 series to buy new gpus ever since they made the 1080ti. it was too good for it's time and if i was a 1080ti owner i wouldn't part with it till the 50 series gpus.

[@whosdr]

@googleuser7531 Free Open-Source Software benefits everyone. If DLSS were open-source then everyone would have even better upscaling by now, including Nvidia card owners.

[@everythingrc2324]

@googleuser7531😂

[@vogonp4287]

It might be interesting to see how FSR 3 works on a Vega gpu. Those do have good asynchronous compute.

[@pauloazuela8488]

Just be ready for your room to be heater at least. They do be needing an undervolt too. In the hindsight I also wanted to see it be used on Radeon 7 you know the first consumer grade or gamer grade 16gb ram we know at that time it's crazy to have that vram

[@clockmaster_77]

The 1070 is a great graphic card. Still have one in a drawer as a backup in case my rtx3060 ga104 breaks up. With this technology available, great graphics cards of the past can run UE5 titles and this is a marvelous thing. This time I must admit that AMD has taken a great score against NVidia in the graphics technology, and the fact that this tech is available for NVidia boards too, is a very fair and honorable thing.

[@pmrpla]

It sort of works, nice! Would love to see some tests in my card at 4K, Nvidia's biggest mistake, the 1080Ti 😁 this technology might extend it's life.

[@DB-fh7by]

@zKingsKiller its a mistake when looking it from a profit point, since they made such a strong graphic card instead of not realising it and pretty much forcing people to upgrade to newer models

[@clipper9580]

Forspoken has FG disabled for Pascal/Turing(16xx) users, though in the DLSS2FSR server a user has been able to circumvent the GPU lock and released it

[@TheAndreWesley]

Do you have a link? Been looking to try it on the 1660

[@roiiam]

It took me a while to get it working on laptop 1660ti though

[@thegamerfe8751]

​@@roiiamhow well does it run?

[@everythingrc2324]

I call bs

[@roiiam]

Forspoken needs modded exe to enable it, FG works great on my laptop 1660ti but the modded exe is unstable

[@bignspicy984]

Soooo frames are being generated on a goddam 1060 but Green team doesn't want my 3080 to be able to generate frames. Coool story bro. Only reason I bought this 3080 is because I got a crazy deal on a miner card locally. Back to red team for the next one for sure.

[@tomthomas3499]

😂😂😂 And 3080 is no joke of a card as well

[@bignspicy984]

@tomthomas3499 the 10 gbs of vram is a joke. The processor on the card itself is very capable, tho.

[@Eleganttf2]

if you only game and not do productivity stuff, generative AI like GPT on your local system then sure go RED

[@daLiraX]

1080/ti would be interesting, since it packs a punch.

[@59.9fps]

While Async Compute is the reason being stated for not supporting 10th gen GPUs, these can actually perform it just fine, because AC is a feature of DirectX 12. So any GPU supporting DX12 and its corresponding Vulkan version for Async Compute should theoretically support FSR3-FG, as is also evident from your video. AMD is either just being cautious or playing along with rest of the PC industry to force us to upgrade. Historically it has been less greedy than the greener side, so I will assume it is the former. The anti-pattern though, is that they design FG to work assuming WITHOUT IT the frames are already minimum 60. The percentage of people who already get 60 fps and would want this to make it 120, are very less and statistically insignificant. More people want to reach 60 from 40 or 50 because that makes a huge difference. The frametime goes from 33.3 to 16.6 when we go from 30 to 60, but only further dips to 8.3 at 120. Our eyes perceive the absolute gains much more than percentage, i.e. delta of 16.6 ms is much better gain compared to 8.3. So a FG technique that already assumes frames are at 60 will not be too useful. They should design it to work 30 fps onwards, and that is how they will also be able to sell the technology to XBOX or Steam Deck consoles, where most modern games are limited to 30.

[@HunterTracks]

Xbox and PS should still be very much capable of getting 60 FPS out of games just by lowering settings, for instance the GPU in XSX is fairly equivalent to 6700XT or 3070 and PS isn't that far behind. That said, FSR 3 will probably be a ton of help for Series S, and may even allow the bigger consoles to reach 4k 120 fps they're supposedly capable of.

[@erisium6988]

its just that 10 series isnt good at it. U can see with framegen or with fsr3 ur base framerate drops like form 30fps to 25fps but framegen makes it 50fps. I guess on 10 series there is just bigger hit. Its worth for 1080/1080ti on 1080p in new games but thats it. U need that 60-70fps to make any framegen good.

[@Traumglanz]

That's just how it is. Relex, DLSS and anti-lag and FSR upscale give you a better than your actual native frame rate experience, while those fake frames make things look better, but not feel better. That is the nature of these things and you can't change that. But, FSR does help a lot of old hardware to still reach those 60 FPS and FMF makes them look much better in motion on a high refresh rate monitor at least. So it is a win even for low end hardware. Remember Immortals of Aveum is a game so notoriously performance hungry that you need basically 4090 if you ignore all that upscaling and fake frame generation tools. IIRC it runs at ultra on 4k native with just a little above 60 on a freaking RTX 4090. Most games will still reach 60 fps on 1080p just fine on the lowest graphic settings on even a RX580 or GTX1060 and then FML can kick in and make it look better and FSR can kick in and even upcale the game a little if your native resolution is a little bit too ambitious and make everything look better than lowering the resolution instead.

[@kreynusr4242]

Keep up the great work Daniel. I recently discovered your channel and you've become my go to youtuber anything graphics related.

[@shaoyangzhang8523]

Good Job again Daniel, very informative video. Always appreciate your effort for educating the audience!

[@incediumignis]

Great video, a note on how to force reflex on , reflex essentially is a tech that was derived from a youtuber (battlenonsense) making a video that essentially pointed out the fact that if your gpu is not 100% but rather 98 or 99% ( essentially its not fully utilized but rather a little bit before that) it would significantly lower input latency in every single game. Reflex and anti lag is exactly this feature but made easier, before this people would use a frame limited like rivatuner to cap fps to a point before reaching 100% gpu for example if you can run 80 fps stable you would cap it to 75, on top of this you can get gsync vsync to work with this technology and have 0 additional input latency and actually reduce your input latency, so if i played overwatch and i can run 200 fps but my monitor is 144hz id cap it to 140 fps set vsync and gsync on and id have better than native input latency AND no tearing of any kind resulting in ultra responsive and smooth experience. In this scenario you could cap fps to 60 using rivatuner (or nvidia control panel), enable gsync or freesync and vsync, use frame gen and enough upscaling to hit 60 fps consistently.

[@c99kfm]

"AMD are bad guys because they don't force their partners to support DLSS 3.0, while nVidia are good guys because they don't support their own older hardware!" - Tim @ HU

[@ziggybombers1563]

Another great video. The one thing we like is that we feel connected to how your testing as we can all see what’s going on and join in, unlike a lot of other KZbin channels where you see graphs and tests that are running on a test bench PC. Thanks 🙏⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@najeebshah.]

You can inject Reflex via special K to bring down the latency significantly. Works on all Nvidia cards.

[@cajampa]

I wish he would try this out. People have talked about this in the comments since say one.

[@emma6648]

What is special k

[@najeebshah.]

@@emma6648 special K frame limiter , Google it up

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@emma6648 reflex usually need to be implemented by game developer so it can work properly per game basis. special k is somekind of mode so you can inject those reflex into any game.

[@evaone4286]

​@@emma6648you eat it for breakfast with milk in the US

[@stuartthurstan]

Amazing. Someone finally said it! Yes, you CAN actually play games at less than 60fps. Is it an optimal experience? No. Is it better than not playing anything at all? Absolutely!

[@ecp1453]

I’ve always been a fan of frame generation in the 40 series, I get the hate but using it has always felt really good outside of competitive fps. Really glad to see previous generations of cards get this feature with what’s seems like reasonable latency

[@TheDravic]

FSR3 doesn't have VRR support, so it's nothing like DLSS3 from the user experience perspective, unfortunately.

[@Spencerwalker21]

​@@TheDravicdumb question steam deck is my only PC and wanted to buy baldhur gate 3 but I've been waiting on patches for act 3 anyway would frame gen if implemented be great wouldn't the input latency not be as noticeable in a turn based rpg. I've never played anything like baldhur gate 3 so if it's a dumb question my bad.

[@TheDravic]

@@Spencerwalker21 I think it'd be interesting, but I don't know how soon FSR3 could get added to Baldur's Gate 3 or if BG3 are even interested in adding it. I will say on a sidenote that right now from what I heard FSR3 simply doesn't work on Steam Deck, this might be a temporary setback though if AMD and Valve work to fix that.

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@TheDravic steam deck it works under windows so I'm pretty sure it'll be added to steam os soon

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@TheDravic I get ya just asking if the added latency isn't as noticeable in a turn based game like bg3

[@techlifemalayalam5385]

Thanks AMD for FSR 3 Frame gen and thanks daniels for this great video

[@inducedapathy1296]

I love the fact that this is mostly hardware agnostic. I still have 10 series gpus in my house as well as HD 7950s that still run current day stuff. I have 480s too though they are laying around. It's also great that this appears to work on 20 series RTX because those are the best deals right now if you want an Nvidia card. The 5000 and 6000 series cards are amazing deals as well as the 6700XT is the GOAT card to have the last two years in terms of price performance. Now it will likely have framegen on top? Yea. Good stuff.

[@Kogiz]

This is why I love your channel because just this morning I was doing some of this research on my own but kinda failed lol

[@SebbS82]

Many thx to AMD. This work is great. I had tested it in Immortals of Aveum. In this game "FSR Quality" looks good and the FMF works great. I get in ultra 4K 75-85 fps with the RTX 3080 12GB. Nice to see that this works on older cards. NVIDIA doesn't have an interest to support his old cards to make money. But this just works.

[@sashacrossi]

10 days later and I have no idea how many times I have watched this by now, this feels like magic! I just recently upgraded from my 1060 to an RX 7600 (as well as all "new" parts, a 6600 XT was too much for my old PC to handle so it died), with my PC at my parents only having integrated graphics for a long time making me prog ultimates in ffxiv or play my games in 17-24 / 39-48 fps on average. Plugging that new card in felt like magic! Like, actually not seeing the frames pass in fights or cutscenes and not feeling cross-eyed was mind-blowing! Now looking at what FSR3 could do for old cards like my loyal fossile, it's amazing! This could do so much for Ewaste and other budget gamers out there!

[@thejackimonster9689]

Wow, I actually thought this wasn't even usable on GTX 10-series or that it would make framerate worse overall and therefore being not supported. But it's just boosting the framerate less than expected on supported hardware. That's totally awesome! I see a lot of people not needing to upgrade depending how many games implement this tech. Really crazy! Does it work on RX 590 and similar as well? Or at least on Vega cards?

[@thegamerfe8751]

On paper they said it only works on RX 6000 series and higher cards. Though seeing how FSR3 works on 10 series GPUs then it will probably work.

[@Haley2077]

Don't know the reason but only having the deep review in this channel. Now, I am waiting they implement FSR 3 in cyberpunk 2077 or other popular games. I really try if FSR 3 can improve gaming experiences in those games. Thanks for hard work on FSR3 in these days. :D

[@komorka88]

Hi Daniel, I think the Turing 16xx works better, so 1650/1660 GPUs shoudl support frame gen on Turing performance level.

[@EisteeMango]

Wanted to try this in the forspoken demo with my GTX 1080 but it didn't give me the option so nice to see that it actually works.

[@everythingrc2324]

Did they not have the option in the demo?!

[@danielborjas1745]

Nice video , polaris GPUs like rx 580 maybe works better thanks to normal amd antilag.

[@neocaron87]

The testing is awesome an really thorough! So thanks for your dedication, but you did spend too much time on the reflex bit since the Reflex /Sp K "hack"does work. So you can have the cake and eat it too.

[@neocaron87]

Also it's pretty crazy how the focus of amd FG is not on how it looks at all, I guess it's a kudos to the team which is behind it, who made miracle without ai with this tech. I just hope we get DLSS + FG mode because it's actually cheaper performance wise than Nvidia's version too!

[@chrissoclone]

I'd love to see this on a RX580 - 590 is such a silly minimum requirement, because that was just a very late minor speed bump to the 580 that almost nobody bought, while I think the 580 is still a very common card.

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

This is how AMD segments their features, arbitrary support based on how new, not actual capability. They pissed everyone off with the am4 BIOS updates, but they've been doing it since GCN 2. People just need to stop accepting the nonsense and force AMD to properly support products. BTW, the driver nonsense doesn't exist on Linux, but frame gen hasn't been ported yet.

[@SEMARPE]

Someone made a video with an RX 580

[@boymahina123]

I'd like to see it tried with the 2048SP version of the 580.

[@joey_f4ke238]

@@boymahina123 Ah yes, the misleadingly named 570 from china.

[@Lilspicyy]

man I found your channel in these 1 or 2 months , honestly really like how you give a detailed information.

[@K0razy]

Just an idea but couldn't you experiment with the low latency option in the nvidia control panel and force that on?

[@ChristianStout]

I wonder if this is enough to smooth out the inherent choppiness of SLI to the point that it's almost unnoticeable. That alone could give SLI-enabled cards another lease on life as they become too slow to run games well on their own. If you have another 1070, I'd love to see an SLI test.

[@MirelRC]

So if the added latency from FG is acceptable on a a controller (when using FG from 30 FPS base) then it should be an awesome addition to consoles. I am not a fan of fake frames. Though, if this is needed for some games to look pretty and visually run at 60 or even 120 FPS on a console...

[@danielowentech]

It feels less bad on a controller than on a mouse. Some people would find it acceptable and others may not. Latency sensitivity can vary with different people. I'd much prefer 60 to 120 which is what it is designed for which could still help consoles since more and more TVs support 4K 120

[@DanH11]

It actually looks kind of similar to DLSS in the fact that 45 FPS is more of the "true" minimum native frame rate for Frame Generation to be viable. I played around with this tech a bit on my RTX 3060 in the Forspoken Demo and tweaked my settings back and forth to test how it scaled from source various framerates and could definitely spot an image fidelity difference between 40-50 FPS source frames and 60-70, but the former was still totally playable. This tech is gonna make a huge difference for budget gamers that simply don't have a hardware upgrade in the scope of their budget (probably a larger number of gamers than people realize tbh) trying to squeeze more life out of what they've got, and for that it's got me pretty excited.

[@kolppi]

Yeah. That's probably the biggest down side (besides latency) that you have to tweak game settings to have more than ~50 FPS with upscaling before turning on the frame generation is actually meaningful. Can't really use it to get 30-40 FPS to 60 FPS for example - or probably could numberwise but the extra frames would be duplicates instead of interpolated and the responsiveness would still be that 30-40 FPS level. The latency was quite bad in Forspoken demo before I turned the v-sync on from the Nvidia Control Panel and used Special K to inject Reflex and have it on in the game.

[@TeaTimeMr]

I wanna buy an AMD GPU next just for their effort to support low budget gamers with older hardware. Its unbelievable to me how a rivaling company made my 7 yo GPU play modern games just fine, while the original manufacturer just left me in the rain.

[@everythingrc2324]

Yea it’s cool if you like these TWO games haha. I agree, but it needs to be on more games or all of them.

[@etestg7333]

So FG does work in 10 series cards. Incredible. Excellent video! 👍

[@Rynspark]

I would love to see fsr 3 used on something like a rx 6400

[@theftking]

Be curious to see how this runs on the 1080 Ti, since of the 10-series cards, those are the most-likely to still be in 1080p service.

[@arnox4554]

Might as well just throw a Titan Xp at it honestly. The Xp was Pascal at its absolute zenith. I have one and it works ridiculously well. They look super stylish too right along with the 1080 Ti Founder's Edition. :D

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

Still not enamored with the concept of fake frames, but being able to do it to get old cards to play with some sort of smoothness is far more interesting than it being exclusively utilized to inflate numbers on only the most recent and price-gouging cards.

[@BizzMRK]

to be fair, frame gen only really works well if you already have a high base framerate so there certainly is a limit to what it can achieve. If your card can't hit 60fps anymore you will start to see more and more artifacts and fuzziness the lower your base framerate goes. The latency is another big issue especially when stuff like nvidia reflex or amd antilag+ can't be enabled on older cards with frame generation enabled.

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

@@BizzMRK yep, you’ve nailed exactly my quips with it. Its best potential utility inherently diminishes with exactly the cards that would benefit the most. The more limited your card is, the higher the latency. And the more you’re using lower resolution/quality real frames on which it’s guessing fake frames from. And the more time the flaws of incorrect guessing remain on the screen for your eyes to catch. Meh.

[@djayjp]

The content never stops! 😁

[@kishaloyb.7937]

You can try forcing Nvidia Reflex through the Special K mod while using FSR 3 FG. From my experience, the inbuilt input latency mitigation solution in FSR 3 FG seems to work better on AMD GPUs compared to Nvidia GPUs. Though AMD should really port Anti-Lag+ to RDNA 1/2 GPUs for further latency mitigation.

[@eli.k9190]

You can use Anti Lag + on Vega up to rDNA 2, with the moded Amd drivers.

[@canozcan5269]

@@eli.k9190you can’t. They said it’s not possible

[@eli.k9190]

@@canozcan5269 I'm using it, you keep denying it

[@kishaloyb.7937]

@@eli.k9190 which modded AMD drivers are you talking about? I've used one and it doesn't enable Anti-Lag+.

[@JDOverclock]

I'm loving watching these videos every day! So much information!

[@longplaylegends]

I'm curious how much setting "Ultra" low-latency mode in Nvidia control panel for example, improves over just not having Reflex in-game / turning it off. I have to imagine it would help some, even if not as well as using proper Reflex built into a game?

[@agentsmith6161]

It's almost as good as Reflex but it's working only for DX 11 titles unfortunately. Digital Foundry made a video about this.

[@wildeasage]

My GTX 1080 struggles to maintain 60 in some modern games at 1080p, at med-to-high settings. This will help bridge the gaps.

[@radu1006]

Maybe try an amd 580 with anti lag next time

[@helbertrangel833]

Huge respect for my boy Daniel! salute from Portugal

[@IceDemonPT]

Can you test with a 1660 Super? It's also sporting Turing architecture like the 20 series and it should've a better async capability than 1060/1070.

[@gtx1660tiplayer]

Thanks for the video, I'm looking forward to testing frame generation on my old gtx 1660 ti

[@DerdOn0ner]

People can shout “fake frames“ all day, but it doesn‘t detract from the fact, that FG is here to stay, when it comes to rendering now

[@19CD91]

I like how my old VIZIO tv from like 09 does this with built in hardware. Made playing deadspace 2 at 120hz look like butter on that screen.

[@tomthomas3499]

It's still early, but i hope driver modders can somehow make it work with older AMD cards, sure it may not improve performance but having FSR3 or FG option unlocked on older cards sure would be nice 👍

[@IamSH1VA]

I think these are Open Source technologies, so someone is definitely going to port it. I am 100% sure that even mobile is going to get this.

[@alderwield9636]

unlike the greedies, fsr is a free and open source, it will be modded in no time

[@AlexC_]

It seems to me that FSR 3.0 will force Nvidia to release FG for the rest RTX graphics cards.

[@jesterpkl]

kekw

[@user-nx3by5gy1n]

turning on v-sync when you pc is struggling with framerate, you're a warrior

[@meareAaron]

would be nice to have a frame generation tech that can be used on all games i dont mind if its not as good as the built in versions of fs3 or nvidia but it would be nice for old gpu users

[@Tabbalco]

Just like people created Reshade to make games look better, someone will make an FSR3+FG addon that will work on all/most games. The tech is still new so give it time.

[@Looskidify]

Boy do I have news for you. 4K TV’s these days, a lot of them already have motion interpolation. For instance, LG’s “TruMotion 120”. It’s the exact same thing as frame gen, and guess what, it’s the TV doing it so it can run in any game under the sun. TV will basically say 60hz native but it interpolates it to 120hz. I love it. Used it religiously in my only LG 4k tv and now on my LG A2 OLED. TCL has one that does 240hz from 60hz native. It’s like magic, I never cared less about frame gen on the graphics level haha Edit: before anybody comes at me with the “TV’s don’t do it well”, bs I’ve used it for long enough to rarely if ever tell the difference. Not to mention it works with anything you play in your PC so big whoop

[@multres2794]

@@Looskidify You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. TVs don't have access to motion vector data from the game you're playing, there's no way to make display or driver-level implementations of Frame interpolation as good as FSR3 or DLSS3 implemented in-game.

[@meareAaron]

​@@Looskidify i used to have a phone with the exact same feature but for videos only. now if only we can get a software version of that feature for video games.

[@Looskidify]

@@multres2794 except I do already know that, thanks though. Feel free to keep enjoying DLSS frame gen and FSR frame gen in the few games they’re in. I’ll feel free to keep using LG’s interpolation on my OLED for literally any game. I have to quite literally sit and try my hardest to spot differences between them all. Who cares

[@guerrinlove69]

This will allow my ryzen 7 1700 and 2060s to survive just a bit longer for those graphically intense titles @1440p. Good work my man, you got a new sub!

[@SicBro]

theres one thing i want a test on. what if you set the refresh rate of the monitor in windows. not frame rate limit, but the seperate setting windows has for your monitor (settings->system->display->advanced) which would underclock the display. thats probably the best way to simulate a 60hz display before adding the limit and sync. i just wonder about that cause its a whole option nobody tested yet. you can additionally use this to overclock certain 60hz displays to 75 which would be a whole other thing itself.

[@mikkokuorttinen3113]

Very interesting results!! A conclusion wrap up in a chart would probably help to clarify the differences and benefits of each feature even better :)

[@Beisepimp]

This is what Frame Gen should be made for, to give older system more lifespan and not for using it on RTX 4000 er/RX 7000 Series cards because the games are unoptimized as hell. :D

[@night_hawk_gtx2102]

As a 1070ti owner I really am interested to see how FSR 3 will perform

[@carljones9640]

I really appreciate all the work you put into this testing! You're always answering questions I have before I get the chance to ask them. Another question I've had for a while in regards to quality and responsiveness of DLSS/FSR is when "downscaling" from say 1440p to a 1080p monitor. That is, seeing what the effect is to run a game on a 1080p monitor and forcing an upscale to 1440p (like super sampling), but then turning on DLSS/FSR so that the image is reduced to 1080p before the 1440p upscale. I wonder if it that could make up for some of the blurry, smudginess that happens when you use upscaling like DLSS/FSR. I also wonder how much input latency would happen. That seems like an odd setup and I don't even know if it's possible, but I'm stuck in a situation where I have a 1080/144 monitor that I really like but there's just no good option for 1080/144 right now. Even the current "midrange" cards don't really hit 120fps in 1080p in modern games right now.

[@galihAX]

it's actually a good method to help with preserving more details since we'll be doing the upscale from 960p instead of 720p. I often play with this setup back then on my 1080p. I also use RTX GPUs so the downscaling method I used was none other than the superior DLDSR and not the basic DSR. It's really superior I might say since it has a better detail-preserving filters/algorithm due to its Deep Learning/AI stuff also you have it on reverse. the game will actually run on the said upsampling(higher than native res) first and then do the upscaling from lower resolutions

[@tobytoxd]

Thank you very much for this incredible showcase and all your work!!

[@Scrawlerism]

Can you try using Special K to force Reflex LL + boost on in these games? I did that with Forspoken and it seems to make the AMD frame gen a lot more bearable on a 4070. Edit: I knew you knew about Special K from the other fsr3 vid. Should definitely try it outttt, it's not hard to get running it basically just works like a launcher.

[@autumnmod]

This is amazing, just when I thought my 1070 needed a change, you came by and showed me the light, thanks man.

[@everythingrc2324]

Maybe, if you like these 2 games lol.

[@autumnmod]

@@everythingrc2324yeah and

[@everythingrc2324]

@@autumnmodand it still needs a change. I mean don’t get me wrong.. I’m still on my Titan x pascal. I just need this to come to more games!!

[@NoztrozeR]

This is why I support AMD... Well that, and the insane markups on Nvidia cards. But unlike Nvidia, AMD tends to make their solutions cross-brand and opensource. It is a huge win for all consumers when they introduce great new tech like this and let it be adopted by the industry for all to enjoy. Nvidia makes great cards and awesome, more revolutionary tech of course. But they also keep it to themselves for the huge competitive advantage. Smart from a business perspective, but horrible for the consumers. I image that AMD sees the value in keeping it open, because it also makes the implementation and utilization of the tech more widely adopted across the industry. I believe that to be their endgame: Wide adoption, then having their cards' selling point be the better optimization and utilization of these technologies. Say what you will, but this is a major reason to support them. Not blindly support everything of course, but reward their win-win solution for the industry by considering their cards for your next build.

[@nicksjuice699]

i cannot wait until you get big enough to go full time, love your content

[@cpm2k]

Fantastic work. Thanks Daniel. This tech is awesome.

[@pavichokche]

Thanks for working so hard to fit these videos into a busy life

[@SkooterBrother]

This was a great video thank you very much, very helpful. I can't wait for all games to get that!

[@luminox1806]

I came for FSR 3 test got a homework instead T_T Great vid as always tho!

[@aaronriggs4430]

This is awesome stuff!! FSR3 and a controller, and you're good to go on a 1060! Also, first time Daniel has given us homework :P

[@mynickisalreadytaken]

Man i am so glad that i play almost everything with Controller since forever . I am used to Controllers since the early 90s. I guess i will not change that.

[@MegaGimmler]

Very good comparison! I really like your effort to show us new stuff. Seems like the waiting time for FSR3 was worth it, looks really good AND "it just works". I tested it myself in the Forspoken Demo and didn't find any artefacts while playing the game. But, the game crashed immediatly when my GPU ran out of VRAM (only with FG on). Now I wanna hear explainations fron Nvidia, why it is impossible to give FG to GPU's other than 40XX Series.

[@Walkop]

Based on AMD's wording in the initial documentation, It was pretty plain to me that most tech sites got the interpretation completely wrong. It wasn't that FSR3 won't work on older cards, it's that it simply isn't supported. " Supported", as in AMD won't provide actual support. This video proves it. Thanks man!

[@stevenanderson3205]

Thank you for all the work you do.

[@ausnorman8050]

"Slightly more floaty" That'll be a great T-shirt slogan.

[@Sherfps]

What happens if you open FSR Frame Gen on PC and Frame Interpolation on TV or Monitor at the same time?

[@BtappinHD]

Thank you for making this vid! I was worried that FSR3 was dead based on how it ran on Forspoken, this actually shows it's a functioning thing!

[@tryllejens]

I really look forward to FSR 3 being widely supported! It really breathes new life into older hardware!

[@RaphaelSwinkels]

you have a nice voice to hear..if i knew pc games = kinda math too, i would have tried at least ;p. thanks 4 the teaching

[@KOLACEK_SK]

I like that AMD cares about old Nvidia GPUs.

[@DerKek89]

Please do something similar for old AMD cards like the rx580.

[@NicolaiP]

always informativ video´s love it. i myself havent got the latest system...my laptop is of 2021. so yeah... i5 9300h @ 4ghz and my 1660 ti 6gb is getting a bit slow by now. still i have hopes with FSR3 to get the GPU run a lot longer now thanks to this video