Fudd Lore Part 2, my thoughts on more popular gun myths

[@unseeliesperg6130]

My grandpa forbade me and my cousin from shooting BB guns in the direction of his sheet steel barn 600 feet away because he thought it could poke holes in the steel. Meanwhile it barely knocked empty beer cans over point blank.

[@WhataGunnR]

“Be careful, sonny. That .22 will fly for a mile!”

[@BmgGunsAndStuff]

It’s funny but my grandfather has some old boxes of .22 that actually have that as a warning written on them lol

[@paulfaggart3423]

Someone told me a couple weeks ago that a 22 would be the best bear defense pistol, because it would bounce around inside it's head. I tried for about 15 seconds, and then realized there's nothing I could say that would fix that kind of stupid.

[@Armintanzarian1]

@@BmgGunsAndStuffmodern boxes say “dangerous for 2 and 3/4 miles “

[@brandonspivey5282]

Be careful Sonny, a .22 won't stop until it hits something. One time a friend of mine knocked the moon off angle and caused a global incident

[@brandonspivey5282]

​@@paulfaggart3423lmao. Lol even. That's about like the old head that tried to tell me the only pistol I needed for self defense was a single action .22 revolver. We gonna go out in front of the saloon at midday?

[@thundermolloy]

"all you need is a 12 gauge pump, you can hunt and defend your house" "Just shoot them in the leg/shoot the gun out of his hand" Basically anything said by someone in Congress over the age of 55 regarding guns.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

True that!

[@ObsidianFane]

I fully agree with that statement actually

[@BBC42618]

One fuddlore I've heard is the M1 Carbine lacked penetration during the Korean war the bullets would bounce off Chinese soldiers heavy wool coats in the winter conditions. Have you ever heard about that?

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Can’t for sure say that I have

[@ray-d-8647]

Yeah, I've heard that one, inaccurate for sure

[@Verdha603]

I assume it's Fuddlore in the sense that soldiers didn't want to admit that in snowy/rainy/nighttime battlefield conditions, there's a very likely chance they were missing their shots, leading them to believe the Chinese were just tanking shots with their metal coats rather than admitting their marksmanship degraded once they were exposed to a two way shooting range.

[@Gunny426HemiPlymouth]

30 carbine is a super impressive round. The cavity it makes in gel, clay, bodies, Is amazing. If your hit by a truckers M1 carbine, your out of the fight. It's certainly not a 30 06, but it's still 30 cal with a good amount of powder behind it.

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

30M1 carbine .308 110gr bullet at 1700+fps. 357 Magnum .357 125gr bullet at 1700+? Fps. On humans. Don't want to be hit with either. Paul Harrell did a meat target with 30 carbine. Tore it to he'll up. It's an effective round.

[@stevewodell6183]

The myth that .22lr will pinball around will probably never go away. I've even heard a range officer make the claim...I just tried not to laugh...

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

I mean I’ve already had a comment on here claiming I am “objectively incorrect” about that, we are doomed as a species 🤣

[@loganwykstra7922]

Capacity matters depending on how many fentys you have in your city. Those vids of hopped up people taking 10 plus shots of pistol rounds is crazy.

[@ray-d-8647]

@@loganwykstra7922 or Marines hitting Iraqi troops with upwards of 5 rounds of 77g 5.56 in Fallujah or Ramadi during the GWOT .

[@loganwykstra7922]

@ray-d-8647 I've always wondered about how many cases where that happened. I can imagine they just made pin holes and some of them were still running before they knew they were dead. 5.56 is annoying with how many different loads there are.

[@sinner175]

"If that there 5.56mm round hits a blade of grass, it will fly off course." (deflect).

[@snuffthisrooster7043]

Now I want to only use 12 gauge slugs for home defense.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

I mean, those’ll definitely do the trick 🤣

[@Bigfoots777]

the old farmer & his shotgun with rock salt

[@Dominic1962]

The Japanese, by the time they adopted the Type 14 (and Type 94 for that matter) it was mostly an officer’s gun and for certain specialized troops as you said. Nickel plated WWII pistols, regardless of where they came from, are all done after the war by GI’s to pimpshine their war souvenir. That’s all. The Japanese before the time of the Type 14 issued the Type 26 revolver and before that basically the S&W Russian Model. Officers, especially their high ranking ones, would purchase their own guns. Some bought the Grandpa, Papa or Baby Nambus and some bought foreign designs that were popular at any given time like the FN 1900 or Mauser C96. The best thing the Type 14 did was to inspire Bill Ruger to design the Ruger Standard pistol. I have both, and actually had the Type 14 first. Obviously ammo for it is hard to source and there are various design quirks that make it a PITA but I always thought the overall layout would make a fun plinker. Then I actually handled a Ruger Standard and read up on them and found out he had the same thought I did decades earlier. Very neat.

[@dodg1988]

I heart Fudd Lore

[@gp5operator751]

As our dearly departed Paul Harrel displayed in one of his older videos, he pointed out that birdshot is less likely to over-penetrate. I don't think anyone will make a case for only using birdshot, but not everyone lives in an area or well-laid-out home where they can shoot 12-gauge buckshot or slugs without worrying about overpenetration. The possibility of potentially hitting bystanders and loved ones is also a potential risk if you live in an urban area or apartment, which is why you must pick the right tool (and projectile) for your needs. Either way, great vid GNW.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Thanks for watching! And RIP Mr Harrel, an absolute legend of a man

[@GR-cf4qh]

I think that the other thing to keep in mind about shotguns and birdshot is that inside the typical house or apartment the engagement distance will likely be at less than ten yards and inside of those very close distances there will be extremely little spread. At 5 yards you’re basically talking about a single hole and even 7.5 shot will be devastating.

[@tatsuhirosatou5513]

In a situation like that get either duck or turkey ammo

[@Verdha603]

The problem with birdshot is that at least for recorded shootings with birdshot being used, the results were far more variable compared to somebody being hit with buckshot or a slug. On the one hand you got the "good shoots" where somebody was successfully incapacitated with one shot of 12 gauge birdshot, and then on the flip side you get cases of threats being hit with multiple loads of birdshot and they still had the physical ability to not just flee, but make it to a hospital to be treated for what amounted to superficial wounds that never penetrated past the ribcage. I generally do not recommend going any smaller than No. 4 Buckshot if somebody is concerned about overpenetration. Especially living in a region of the country where people wear thick winter coats during the colder months, I actually want some additional degree of penetration to successfully get through that kind of material if the worst case scenario were to pass in my home.

[@tatsuhirosatou5513]

@Verdha603 number 2 steel duck loads are very viable if you are concerned about over pens

[@northranv4091]

Yeah I ended up finding and watching the original video recently. Good call on continuing the series

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Thank you kindly!

[@markwalker4485]

I know I’m not a Fudd. I like what I like. I could care less what your mag capacity is. I just hate when people assume I have that opinion because I like 20rd mags. It’s my rifle my choice. And I personally think my AR looks way more sexy with the 20rd mags

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

That’s the wonderful thing about guns, you can (kinda, long as Uncle Sam is cool with it) do with them as you please 👍🏻

[@b.w.22]

Man, me too. I’ve got quite a few steel 20rd mags and I think they look so great in an AR, straight as opposed to curved like a ding dang commie pinko gun (I kid). I think I came to that after running an FAL for so long and their straight mags.

[@sinner175]

"That their M16 (or any AR-15 style rifle) will JAM!"

[@lzcontrol]

PEANUT BUTTER!

[@theblindsniper9130]

Last time you did this, it was for a 15k sub special. Now youre at 24k, nuts how fast youre growing!

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

It’s been blowing my mind man… Thanks for watching!

[@ramcharger154]

I know a guy that used birdshot in his shotguns specifically for taking out windshields in pursuing police cars. He did a dime in Leavenworth for an armored car robbery still alive and kicking it.😂😂❤

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

That is a crazy story! Thank you for sharing 🤣

[@greybone777]

I've done extensive penetration testing with 12 ga with different target media and distances. I've determined that up to about 3 ft.any size of pellets in a one ounce charge will be in a solid column. It spreads at a fairly predictable rate past that point.

[@Verdha603]

Another common issue is folks shitting on the Nambu for being unreliable, even while ignoring that is usually because most of the trophies that were brought back from the Pacific weren't given proper maintenance and instead sat in holsters as trophies for decades. Take an M1911A1 and decide to not clean, oil, or replace the springs for 75 years and its not going to provide the much vaunted reliability many GI's put it on a pedestal for. Meanwhile they expect the Nambu they've had collecting dust in the attic for that same period of time to work perfectly out of the holster under those same circumstances. Admittedly the three things I had to do to make my example run reliably (well, 95% reliably, still get 2-3 failures to eject out of a box of 50 rounds) was to replace all the internal springs with Wollf Gunsprings, handload 8mm Nambu to a slightly faster velocity/heavier bullet weight to closer match the original military load (using a 100 grain bullet traveling at about 1050 fps instead of the the lighter 83-93 grain bullets traveling below 1000 fps found in the few factory loads of 8mm Nambu available), and using a light coating of gun grease on the cartridges to help with feeding when they went into the magazine.

[@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul]

Someday you young whippersnappers will become Fudds too. Just give it time.😂😂😂

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Oh I know 🤣

[@jyro6368]

Fudds have no age requirement

[@jumpykilllerqx6029]

Fuddlore, that the 2A is strictly for self defense.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

That.

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

Never was. It's for protection from an over zealous domineering government.

[@brandonspivey5282]

Or that it only applies to hunting

[@richardbaker836]

On no. I think you had some valid points. You obviously have done your research. I have just seen too many people that have done no research and have no experience go on and on about what this caliber or that caliber will do in a shooting scenario .

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Fair point 👍🏻 and sorry for misunderstanding your previous comment, I read it as you calling me out for something lol

[@rslover65]

"The Japanese didn't have the technology to nickle plate handguns" yeah, they did.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

You can actually find with a quick search that the use of nickel plating in Japan didn’t begin until the 1950s

[@capajo02]

@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry Great video. I think you might be confusing "electroless nickel plating" with nickel electroplating. Nickel electroplating certainly existed in Japan prior to the war; (I read as early as 1892). Very small point and not intended to take away from the point that Japanese arsenals were not nickel plating pistols for military issue. That is 100% true, and a good "fudd lore" point.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Thanks for the clarification, and thanks for watching!

[@theamer1776]

Thanks Thomas. Another great video.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Thanks for watching! As much as this topic gets me worked up I do enjoy talking about it 😂

[@alexryherd9810]

Fudd has become a bastardized slur at this point lol. Nobody uses it right in the community anymore. I got called a fudd for owning an old ithaca 37 once and the temr just never rang the same again for me

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

I'll sacrifice and save you the embarisment of being called a FUDD. Just send me your M37 and ill take the hits.

[@jamesvatter5729]

Some people actually promote use of birdshot for home defense. I cringe at the thought. It sounds like a good way to face a civil suit for maiming a crook that invaded your home.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

True that!

[@Sweetcorn97]

Within ten feet it is incredibly lethal

[@zachb.6606]

That's interesting, the Fudd lore I've heard often re: birdshot is that it IS effective for personal defense. The other myths re: the .22 tumbling inside the skull and the Japanese pistol are new to me (but maybe the Fudd culture I grew up in isn't representative of Fudd culture at large). Part 3?

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

There will definitely be a part three at some point! Probably gonna be a couple months before I get around to it, got a bunch of other content coming in the meantime 👍🏻

[@tatsuhirosatou5513]

12 gauge 00 buck is pretty damn close to being shot by 380acp 9 times but not even close to 9mm

[@ray-d-8647]

Do the fudd lore saga i needs to be done

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

There will definitely be more Fudd Lore videos in the future 👍🏻 probably one every few months till I run out of material to discuss in them

[@jucrispy5762]

as a guy that owns both a type-14 and a type-94 nambu. I think a lot of the people thinking the type-14 is a garbage pistol comes from the type-94 and people just calling both guns, "The Nambu" as a sort catch all.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

The Type 94 definitely has some issues, still want one though!

[@timesthree5757]

The first time I heard the .22 one was a few weeks ago. The fud .22 one I always heard was .22 is not lethal. BS.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Yeah it always either seems to be “not lethal” or it’ll do untold damage cause it’ll “bounce around inside ya,” no Fudd can accept that it is simply a small bullet, and good bullet placement is usually lethal while bad bullet placement often isn’t

[@tonyhamady498]

Excellent thanks bro 🙏👌👍💯❤️

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Thanks for watching!

[@anthonypalsmeier5881]

One ounce 7 1/2 shot is 437 grains. At 20 feet all of those TINY pellets WILL kill you!

[@AlexKS1992]

I wonder if a .22 bullet can travel for a mile?

[@greybone777]

Look at the product warning on virtually every box of 22 ammo.

[@AlexKS1992]

@ I’d rather see someone do an actual test.

[@finaloption...]

​@@AlexKS1992The military has tested almost every caliber. Read "Underdstanding Firearms Ballistics" by Robert A. Rinker and educate yourself.

[@AlexKS1992]

@ *Understanding, if you’re going to be condescending learn to spell properly.

[@finaloption...]

@@AlexKS1992 oops

[@Michael-kb4mn]

Another good one Thomas! Got a Walther P38 from 1941 that is cromed so it must belong to a general in the Wehrmacht! 😀

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

😂

[@michaeldaltonsr8954]

Here's a FUDD-LORE that IRKS me to no end!! 50 yrs ago, a co-worker( with whom I often hunted) reveived an invitation, from a cousin, to go hunting on his land. My co-worker asked if it would be o.k. if I came along. Sure. After the hunt, after the cousin's wife had prepared a fine supper and supper was over, the cousin reached over and picked up his rifle( which had been leaning in the corner). He then took a cloth, as we chit-chatted, and began to rub the rifle-bbl. He continued to rub the bbl for twenty minutes. My co-worker, looking for an excuse to leave politely, thanked his cousin's wife for the meal, thanked his cousin for the hunt, and said, "We better get going, Michael ALWAYS cleans his gun after a hunt, so he needs to get home!". His cousin SMILED BROADLY, and said, "I DO TOO, I'M SORRY I SAT HERE CLEANING MINE IN FRONT OF YOU!!" Now, I cannot give you an accurate number of times I have seen someone, or heard someone refer to polishing a bbl w/cloth as "cleaning", but it is a high number. And, also explains the high number of ND's saying, "they didn't know the gun was loaded". This scenario was started by an old Hollywood movie, in which one one cowboy watch another cowboy, polishing the OUTSIDE of his revolver, and said, "That's ALL YOU DO, sit around, CLEANING YOUR GUN!!" Can't remember exact movie, but "CLEANING YOUR GUN" meaning "polishing w/cloth has IRKED me for DECADES!! Because, that's how they believe that it is done.😢

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Yeah I definitely get that, it doesn’t hurt to wipe down the outside of a gun every so often (and in fact should be done to protect from corrosion) but the internals are what truly need cleaned. Trigger mechanism, bolt assembly and inner barrel are the things that need it the most, and many hunters (in my experience) neglect those for years

[@michaeldaltonsr8954]

@GreatNorthwestWeaponry Yepper! YEARS!! For many years(70's-90's) I was GO-TO-guy for local area amateur gun-smithing projects. 70% was scrubbing firearms(Black-powder vs "modern" powder.) AWA just negligence. And, even "cheap modern powder" gums up nearly as bad as BP. Add petroleum-based "gun-oils"/ you're stuck!! Litterally. MUCH BETTER cleaning products in only last 20 years.

[@ray-d-8647]

The 22lr fudd lore is hilarious. You could do hours of videos on it.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

True that!

[@nickyminter4271]

Blessings from Australia Thomas 🇺🇸🇦🇺🇦🇺🇺🇸. Top notch episode Mate ! ✊✊

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Thank you kindly sir!

[@timesthree5757]

No they did have the technology not they didn't plate it.

[@tacosandfrenchfries4561]

Great video

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Thanks!

[@tatsuhirosatou5513]

You are objectively wrong on 22lr, not only is it accurate enough to hit things at 400yards but its still leathal and the big one yes a 22 bullet can absolutely penetrate a skull and not having enough energy to fet through the other side and bounce a time or 2 instead. Banana ballistics even proved its not only possible but repeatable on video.

[@Mike-zw7fq]

Are you kidding? The vidio starts at about 3:30.

[@jemuelbejerano3004]

great videos

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Thanks for watching!

[@jeffryrichardson9105]

Great video!👍🏽😊❤️🇺🇸

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Thank you kindly!

[@jeffryrichardson9105]

@@GreatNorthwestWeaponryThank you sir!

[@mjtoranneto4934]

Good stuff, but work on your lighting. Your guns could look like a McDonalds commercial, but instead they look like a McDonalds. And the lighting makes your face looks like the Adams Family, because it's casting shadows on your own face. Get a spinning table thing, put the gun on it, and spin it slowly like a diamond salesman. That's part of your B roll. so when you edit a video, leave your talking audio, but swap in the B roll video. and also swap in pictures. so when you talk about bird shot, cut to a picture of one cut open! Your work is good, buy all your video skills (lighting, editing, etc...) are lacking

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

That is definitely a part of making videos that I want to improve in the coming year, just gotta get the equipment 👍🏻

[@b.w.22]

It was alluded to below, but man - that term has become a bit too diffuse if it now may include a racial component! It sort of feels like if you own anything partly made of walnut and don’t think hitting someone with a double-stack of +P “maximum eliminator” Hornady at first condition orange threat is always best, you are a fudd. Also if you possess certain guns? Also if you think (as I do not) that the multitudinous bad-guys having MAC-10’s is scary? Like damn - the “mountain folk” here in WV are pretty old-school with how they do things, like having grandad’s rifle and shooting all of 5 rds per year, largely because of their traditions and also because they couldn’t afford the sort of “range time” that all the internet’s elite operators think is necessary to get gud. They already are gud and while not looking for trouble, would totally take an issue right to its conclusion in a quick and sometimes disquieting way. They try to avoid it, as that’s how feuds are made. Anyway, that’s all to say that people can look the part and resist, for whatever reason, the totems of whatever isn’t a fudd and not be “backward.”

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

To me being a Fudd has nothing to do with what you like and everything to do with being a hypocrite about supporting the 2A (example: “I don’t need an AR15 so nobody needs one. The bill banning 30rd mags doesn’t apply to me so go ahead and ban them. If you can’t do it with one shot then you don’t deserve to one a gun etc) there are definitely gatekeepers on both sides and I do intend on doing a video on my gripes about the other side as well, but what I call a true Fudd is someone who gate-keeps “traditional values” about guns over practical sense and refuse to consider any alternative. The other side would be the Tacticool nerds who think if you don’t own NODs and run 3 gun matches then you aren’t a proper American. As far as the race thing, anyone can be a Fudd but I’ve only ever met older white guys who actually fit the description lol

[@b.w.22]

@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry - Yes, that’s exactly what I take to be a “fudd.” I guess like many terms, especially slang terms, there will be an evolution or whatever. I always took “Fudd” to specifically imply a certain stance on 2A, but now it seems like it includes a certain sort of rigid wrongness about details of specific firearms, calibers, their use, and even like military tactics!

[@richardbaker836]

I have preformed my xray exams in on gun shot wound in the ER. I have also been shot. Maybe I could have a valid opinion on gun shots. Most people are Fudds and have no clue having never seen a gun shot wound and have never been shot. So, think about it before you run your mouth.

[@GreatNorthwestWeaponry]

Is there a correction to something I said in here did you just want to tell me not to “run my mouth” to make yourself feel better?