The Dark Brotherhood | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #20

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[@69inetails]

I just wish destroying the brotherhood had more to it. Tracking down members, discovering plots of assassination...etc.

[@James11111]

What we got made sense for how close they were to extinction anyway. However, having it be an option while they were at a stronger point of their existence would've been cool. Maybe be like a spy vs spy scenario.

[@jetblackonyx5985]

That questline was so bs, you tell a guard and the oculus guy about killing an assassin, and then they're just like, "oh yeah we found their sanctuary, here random citizen, go take out an entire clan of armed killers BY YOURSELF as a reward for exposing them" like it could of been a whole questline by itself, but it was just so rushed and pointless.

[@James11111]

@@jetblackonyx5985 Not saying it was perfect, or even particularly good, just saying it made sense for emphasizing how weak the Brotherhood was at the time.

[@jetblackonyx5985]

@@James11111 don't get me wrong, I'm not contesting your point, just emphasizing my contempt for the way that plot point was handled.

[@insylem]

@@James11111 Its called the first few quests in Morrowind Tribunal

[@ZieSpiralOut]

In Raven Rock's temple, I wish they scripted dialogue for if you have azura's star, the ebony blade, and the ebony mail in your inventory. The priest guy could be all blown away by seeing someone who is the champion of all three of the "good" daedra... also if you have the ebony blade and encounter the morag tong, they should see the blade and bow before mephala's champion... Lols, that would be fun...

[@ralcogaming7674]

I was mad that they didn't come out to kill me despite my dark brotherhood armor

[@Sanguivore]

That's a pretty great idea for a mod!

[@helixgamer8894]

you can ask the members of the brotherhood for tips when you have an active main quest. babette will tell you about the statue, gabrielle tells you to shoot victoria from the other alcove, where she left a bow called "finiriel's end". so, yeah, the dialog is there.

[@ralcogaming7674]

Nah the best advice is from festus crex "walk up, shake their hand, look them in the eye and then bam! Fireball to the face, works every time"

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

@@ralcogaming7674 spoken like any good wizard

[@bennusmagnus5277]

Well to be fair, the Skyrim branch of the dark brotherhood doesn't die even if you do that quest to destroy them. No mater what you do, Cicero, Babbet, the whiterun fortune teller, and the night mother all survive, and there will still be an assassin on the emperors ship. And don't forget the little boy that you got your first contract from.

[@ffa2dramachick]

Drew is a fountain of knowledge... He's quiet most of the time, but... Uncertain about lore? Drew to the rescue!

[@TealWolf26]

Drew is best boy.

[@Amara87387]

He has vast daedric knowledge, he is big brain

[@drewwilson8756]

Thanks, y'all are so sweet.

[@lloyd9710]

the victoria vicci quest if you push the statue on it you will get a bonus if you make it look like a accident and also when she has does her speech you got your token to get your reading from oliva the feeble

[@majorpest4894]

In Oblivion I killed 1 of the guards sent through the Kvach portal to get his sword and armour so the Dark brotherhoods talent scouts are very good to have found out about a killing that happened in a different plain of existence

[@praxis22]

Drew the Daedrologist steering it back on track 👍

[@3xm-draconic676]

i wann see atlest a refernce to cicero cuz he's got like his own fandom within the dark brotherhood fandom

[@3xm-draconic676]

@Sam Guevenne yea but i mainly just wanna see an older cicero still pulling his jester crap even though he's like 90 or something, i think that be cute

[@daddysmurf2266]

its like they did this on purpose, just like so many other chars in beth games

[@jorgesaenz8986]

@@3xm-draconic676 a 90 year old Cicero who finally becomes Listener now that would be MAD!!!

[@3xm-draconic676]

​@@jorgesaenz8986 cicero: well...beter late than never also picture this: old cicero with grand kids

[@PinkWytchBytch]

I think a good reference to Cicero for Elder Scrolls VI would be to find one of Nazir's descendants, and if you complete a side quest to acquire him as a follower, you'll be gifted a set of jester clothes that look aged, with him explaining he found this buried in the vicinity of his grandfather Nazir's Sanctuary after Nazir finally returned to Sithis' dark embrace. You know something like that, it would give a little bit of lore and explanation for those who didn't play the last game while still being just vague enough that familiar players will grin and go "So he DID end up strangling the Cicero!"

[@colechristensen4022]

You should do a podcast on vampires and there history.

[@W1Robur]

7 months later lol

[@JustSomebody5]

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[@abiwonkenabi7027]

While under Astrid, the Dark Brotherhood stopped following the tenets and became much more independent and about survival and income rather than about serving Sithis. I think the whole point of the Skyrim DB quest line is that Astrid was in the wrong and was punished for it. She breaks most if not all of the tenets, dismisses any authority the Night Mother and by extension the Listener has, and in the end she's punished and most of her beloved family gets killed. To me, this indicates that the Dark Brotherhood will return to the old ways and adhere to them more in the future, leading to prosperity. Babette even says she was around when they abided by the old ways, but she kind of doesn't anymore, mostly because she likes Astrid and is just following her lead though.

[@kurtissilva8951]

Became more like the thieves guild in a sense

[@maxteraform]

The Dark Brotherhood sounds like a hard-rock band

[@gabezilla8800]

Are we gonna have to cause a dragon-break to get an episode about the Numidium? I swear they had plans from ep 1

[@bobseltheslimeking]

The quest "bonuses" in Skyrim are sometimes more than just monetary. The assassin ghost and the Ring of the Nightweaver just to name a few. Edit: The Ancient Shrouded Armor as well!

[@insylem]

The assassin ghost was the payment not the bonus. The bonus for that quest was gold. Pure simple gold, for you to spend however you wish.

[@bobseltheslimeking]

@@insylem Riiight sorry bout that

[@RogueAgentKorasi]

@Dababy Jesus Well I wouldnt say you get NOTHING from the Companions. I got a colossal sense of disappointment!

[@dylan1586]

Blade of woe? Maybes

[@richardlionerheart1945]

@Giovanni Messe you get the racism axe

[@HG-wl2fm]

I’d like to see a Hashashin inspired assassin group in Hammerfell - I reckon it would suit the overall theme of Hammerfell. I’m excited by the idea of the alikr deserts possibly with some buried cities to explore, and possibly some Caribbean-esque pirating coastal regions. I’m very excited for the middle eastern cities and honestly the whole theme seems to be amazing. Maybe even some inspiration from Petra in Jordan P.s. love what you guys do

[@kreb9721]

This would be the most fitting for an assassin organization in Hammerfell. It also could be an all new group, not ancient like all other groups in Tamriel.

[@dovakiin8330]

The Desert Vipers (placeholder names) A group of dedicated assassins that have targeted political allies of the Dominion since the Great War, they are dedicated to Hammerfell independence from the shadows. The questline involves a moral dilemma within the faction, which is now (at least 25 years after their founding). Some members want to keep true to their purpose, killing only Dominion allies, while another faction wants to fill in the void left by the Dark Brotherhood (maybe we can have elven veterans of the Brotherhood?). You can resolve this conflict and chose the future of the guild. This is basically a parallel to the group thar fought the invading Templar knights and tried to prevent them from killing. In this case, it’s Redguards fighting the Dominion’s occupation

[@patrickaycock3655]

This can be done on Morrowind as there is a skooma pipe in game. Just get a mod to add hammerfell.

[@LysergicKids]

I like this idea simply because the music would be great. Hearing the ancient, dark intervals of the phrygian dominant scale while wondering the sandy deserts of Hammerfell sounds epic.

[@KingThor128]

It would be awesome to have an established assassins group in ES6, and have the DB be a small, underdog group of relative amateurs with potential, and player choice of who to join. AND make them both good. My hope for ES6 is having exclusive, competing factions for each archetype to give the game more replay value besides trying another build, and making completing ALL the content on one character impossible. Unlikely though

[@setokaiba3458]

Like drew was gonna say, in Dragonborn DLC, the Morag Tong are on solstheim, after the tribunal is gone. So SOME family is retaining contact with some faction regardless of size

[@adephagiaaergia8944]

I am so early that Jyggalag hasn't turned into Sheogorath yet

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

😳

[@OldBearby]

Nice.

[@Awoken0]

Hot chocolate, rainy weather, FudgeMuppet TES podcast. Ah yes, it's all coming together.

[@HareDeLune]

A rainy day in parts of the US as well.

[@seanstacks3436]

The Dark Brotherhood is one of my favorite guilds, I loved being an assassin in Oblivion and Skyrim

[@evanswoodcentral315]

There's one thing i don't get regarding Bethesda and the Dark Brotherhood. What is the point of coming up with an awesome Assassin Guild and then in the last two Elder Scrolls games come up with a stupid storyline where they nearly wipe out themselves? That is absolutely counter-productive.

[@enz025]

I love these deep dives guys, nice to get you All sitting around talking about something we all love!

[@luckyjedi429]

If the three criteria of DB returns in ES6, it’s ten-ish years later, and it’s in the Illiac Bay region are met, I would want to be recruited by an aging-but-still-capable Nazir to rebuild the Brotherhood in the area. So instead of destroying the memorable cast of assassins, you build them up this time while taking contracts, with the quest line ending with you being a Speaker (because the Listener is still in Skyrim), and getting to choose between a few unique assassins to be your Silencer (faction follower).

[@aidenporter4795]

Was hoping we’d get a sithis tangent... Perhaps a discussion about the primordial entities of Elder Scrolls perhaps?

[@Daxanere1216]

I have a theory that if the night mother is truly mephala taken a guise to continue her self worshipping assassins cult upon the rise of the tribunal, then perhaps the sudden downfall of the brotherhood is because she has diverted her favor again back to the morang tong since they must be worshipping her again since the fall of the tribunal, that would explain their own comeback

[@princewolfchild]

Babette tells you about the statue if you talk to her about the contract and the mage woman tells you about the ledge where you find the unique bow. I can't remember her name though

[@marcovchb]

I started playing ESO because I got so tired of waiting for TES6. I will be 40 by the time of release.

[@samurai2k455]

Are you enjoying ESO?

[@marcovchb]

@@samurai2k455 pretty much yeah!

[@kelpia]

how did i just find out you lads have a podcast hell yes

[@blackmonish]

I agree Scott, as soon as Microsoft bought Bethesda, I began to recall the best first person sword/spell combat I've ever experienced: Arkane Studio's "Dark Messiah of Might & Magic". I would love nothing more than the people responsible for that and Dishonored to build a smaller, more intimate open world where changes could actually take place based on actions. Your idea rocks, you could easily write the game where you could choose who you'd wish to follow after the schism.

[@higheverrains7386]

Skyrim's dark brotherhood challenges do also include bonuses, including the gem from Olava the Feeble who gives you your future telling, or an extra ring from the old man, or a unique ring from Muiri. Also, similar to the aftereffects of your murders in Oblivion, there's outcomes resulting from your work. Muiri again - murdering Nilsine as well as the bandit she sent you after first will result in Nilsine's mother committing suicide over the death of another daughter, and her husband sinking even further into despair. So there's those aftereffects. It was also a nice touch to allow you to destroy the dark brotherhood instead. I do wish they'd fleshed out the people a bit more, but I think if you talked to the other Dark Brotherhood members about the different targets you have they give you more of the information and tips/hints about how you might creatively deal with them.

[@FaeFemboi]

Love you guys. Keep up the amazing work.

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

5:23 Weatherman: “Yeah we’ve got a 60% chance of f o u l m u r d e r over in Morrowind, better bring your poisoned candles and umbrella”

[@jesaishall7453]

Earliest I have ever been for these guys.

[@passerby5735]

I can see the tong returning and there being an element of them interfering with the Brotherhood's work. But as for a traditionally Dunmer guild taking over the assassin industry of all provinces, I doubt it. If we go back to Morrowind in a game, yes. But the DB transcends borders and race, which is what makes it so versatile. You can't realistically have a bunch of dunmer assassins, sanctioned by the government of morrowimd, running around Hammerfell and/or High Rock and killing their citizens without serious repercussions -- like war. The DB is not tied to any governing body, so they're a much safer choice for all your murderous needs when outside morrowind.

[@TotallyACat]

Scott straight up looks like a character from ES 4 Oblivion.

[@maxgoss5653]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@leenawayne2051]

The dark brotherhood was my fav quest line i did in skyrim

[@lucienguile9125]

Just saying the specter of Lucien Lachance makes comments about the dread father. If you haven't had the specter summoned when clearing the Dawnstar sanctuary I really recommend it. That or find a youtube video that I'm sure has it lol.

[@Just_Call_Me_Tim]

You know, I'd read that the lady believed to become the Night Mother had been a Dunmer woman. Maybe they've got different sources. 🤔 Cicero, however, became one of my favorite characters because of his journals. After I spared him and kept him around as a follower, he grew on me.

[@leachofsouls]

Hes my favorite for one quote Alone . "take someone's things before you kill them? And they call me crazy..."

[@jueviolegrace8737]

I just want Drew to read to me every night b4 bed

[@sawyerfisher9690]

The first time I had an experience with the dark brotherhood was in the arena of oblivion. When you get to the end and have to kill the half vampire half orc champion, he is completely passive in the fight. If you complete the arena quest completely before joining the brotherhood, it becomes the next step off of the story of the arena. I loved it at the time as a way to intertie all of the game into itself. Even now I love how it scripted out that way making me feel like I had publicly displayed how unmerciful a killer my character was. I wish in that game there were more questlines that fed into the dark brotherhood like the arena felt like, rather than a generic series of events that happened to occur after killing literally anybody that was a neutrally dispositioned character.

[@josephleocadio9228]

You guys are great. I listen to the podcast while I play Morrowind a lot recently.

[@jbizzle4922]

I hear the Dark Brother can fix my Manhood.

[@Kravenrogue]

I think Cicero either hears Sithis or Mephala, or even The Night Mother but not as good as The Listener would hear her Because in The Dark Brotherhood Questline in Skyrim, when Astrid asks us to kill Cícero, with we Summon The Dark Brotherhood Spirit that we gain, he talks that killing Cícero is not What The Dread Father want

[@r.n.g.6514]

My favourite assassin's guild. Thanks guys.

[@bryankelly335]

Scott - "ewww , cat furries .." "ewww , edgy assassins" "I like Vikings , Katanas & Alien Elves" To each their own , man ..

[@kicoterie4227]

I agree with him

[@IsraeliGirl1997]

Oh yes my favorite in game group 🤗 was waiting for it so muchhh

[@blazedgamingkr1438]

3:26 oh boy, here I go killing again.

[@bootpringle7241]

You should do a video on the orgins of trolls and their subtypes

[@alext5390]

This isnt my idea but It would be cool if you could side with the penitus oculatus and join the dark brotherhood as a spy it would make the speech skill line so much better. Now heres me adding to that idea, The story would include stuff like the DB becoming suspicious of you, having to frame one of the members, and even having to kill an innocent person to prove your loyalty to the DB (obviously there would be an option to fake the kill).

[@dovakarp2943]

Scott looks like a Breton ... drew looks like a nord and Michael looks like an imperial... all we need is a fudge muppet member who looks like a redguard and we will have all the races of man ... now for the mer....

[@Syn_MtF]

The dark brotherhoods ruling body is the black hand, mephala is said to have black hands , eno hlaalu wears black gloves to symbolize mephalas black hands.

[@OwnageMancer]

31:27 Outfall? Lol I believe the word you were looking for was "fallout" Kinda ironic.

[@josephbalch5716]

Hail sithis brother

[@theamazingdagger5584]

It would be cool if instead of joining you help establish a new chapter for them in hammerfell with its new base. Having it be detached from the empire would make it a cool place for them to quietly rebuild.

[@CreamCakes420]

Oh I like that

[@BigDaddy0Kev]

My wish has been commanded!!

[@bombchus]

The dark brotherhood were all over daggerfall so there's really no cultural reasons why they can't be in high rock hammer fell for Elder Scrolls 6

[@stanleyschlosser7495]

no that bit is about morrag thong.

[@denakarganta1502]

I honestly want a podcast around Akatosh and all his different interpretations but also how Akatosh is related to Lorkhan with how some Dragonborn were also Shezzarine

[@StarlitSeafoam]

The "You have been misled! - this is the TRUE God of the empire" video they did recently covers a lot of Lorkahn and Akatosh similarities, connections, etc.

[@denakarganta1502]

I know about that video and I liked it too but I feel like they can cover this in more detail with a podcast and personally I think this one of the best connections in the lore, because with Lorkhan representative of space while Akatosh is time none can exist without the other and that would just be a good podcast to look into

[@StarlitSeafoam]

@@denakarganta1502 yeah, true. And maybe also explore the connections between Talos and Lorkahn, which adds another dimension to the Akatosh and Lorkahn one-can't-exist-without-the-other, two-sides-of-the-same-coin idea. Man, the Thalmor have reason to hate Talos.

[@denakarganta1502]

@@StarlitSeafoam I feel the Thalmor are going about the entire idea about mortality as a prison the wrong way, like the Redguards and Dark Elves have a better way around also they have their own hero gods like Pynaster who also ascended to godhood

[@denakarganta1502]

Also because of Akatosh and Lorkhan basically needing each other they really are just short sighted

[@kbob5427]

Could you do a video about what will happen when the dragonborn dies because with the amount of deadra who have the right to your soal when you die there would be a war of the gods over your soal

[@braedengriffiths4249]

HAIL SITHIS!

[@TealWolf26]

Flex like Sithis.

[@davidgasiorek4134]

I have one, two, three, four, five cold killers in the Brotherhood, aye

[@BadMemeHere]

I just figured out today that the intro music is from morrowind

[@christianotto5553]

Make the comparison video, Michael. :3 Oblivion will win, but it'll still be fun to take a look at both games' questlines.

[@patrickaycock3655]

Still waiting on Fudgemuppet to do a podcast on the Asir. I know they will get tired of covering the same lore over and over eventually.

[@thegoggle823]

Michael hits the nail on the head at the beginning of this podcast. It would be better for BGS to be more creative and create or flesh out some other assassin organization for players to interact with. But like with the BoS and SuperMutants in Fallout, the Brotherhood is so established among the fans that they will almost certainly exist as a full faction in TESVI. BGS seems more inclined to include fan-favorite staples and handwave excuses for their inclusion, than to stick to their established continuity and let the DB fade to history.

[@sinninginshadows]

Maybe a questline based around rebuilding the brotherhood and you can choose to follow a more old school path with the tenets being reinstated or follow a more in it for the money like skyrim. Have it start by sleeping under a moonless sky outdoors and you receive a dream from sithis or the nightmother that leads you to an old abandoned sanctuary in the mountains and gives you the words to open the door finding the nightmothers coffin and the keepers skeleton dressed in the armor of the dark brotherhood and the first few quests can be you going out and finding people who have committed murders and getting them to join the new brotherhood

[@realzachfluke1]

While I don’t share in the worship of Sithis as the Dark Brotherhood does, _I do worship_ his/its soul, the one being who started it all, and the one being who will end it all, and allow for _true transcendence,_ beyond Aedra and Daedra. That being, the only god worthy of worship to me, is, of course, _the Missing God who goes by many names._ Some call him Sheor, and others call him Shezarr. Some know him as Sep, and others know him as Shor. Some understand him as Lorkhaj, The Tricky Cat. And others know him as an evil Trickster God, whose name feels like chewing broken glass when uttered, and thus shall not be named. It matters not how you know him, but it _does matter_ that he exists because of, and thanks to the Dread Father, Sithis, the manifestation of the Void itself. So while I do not _worship_ Sithis, I feel an eternal sense of gratitude to him/it for what he/it sparked in the Aurbis. And that is why, I will leave everyone with a hearty, full-throated, and proud, “HAIL SITHIS!” 💀

[@EinFelsbrocken]

Imagine worshipping exclusively "big god corpse" & "literal nothingness" 😁

[@realzachfluke1]

@@EinFelsbrocken lmao

[@ralcogaming7674]

To be honest I didn't play oblivion until long after I played skyrim, I refuse to Google things so I had no idea how to join the dark brotherhood, I was doing the knights of the nine dlc and accidentally killed one of the knights that fights with you at one point, and the message popped up "your crime has been observed by some unseen force" or something which I personally thought was to do with the dlc. Instead I'm visited some time later and invited into the dark brotherhood. It was a total 180 for my character and still makes me laugh.

[@ravindunandirathna1600]

Hey Fudge, are you guys continuing the greatest of all time series? Still waiting for the the greatest High Elves and Dark Elves of all time video

[@paladinofthelostdays7392]

I have a build idea that you could look into, a sneaky assassin character that uses restoration Magic and illusion to kill their targets, like the poison rune

[@captainbones6433]

The Mroang Tong and dark brotherhood are enemies if you complete the thieves guild and return it to its former glory you get a dark elf member that use to be a Mroang Tong and he says they rival the dark brotherhood

[@norrinradd6746]

Morag Tong: A mastery of murder and betrayal will help you get ahead in this cruel and indifferent world. Mephala has taught us that, while sometimes distasteful, deception and violence are a reality of the world and it is better to be the deceiver than the decieved. Dark Brotherhood: mURdeR iS CoOl! HaIL sITHis!!!

[@therakshasan8547]

Oblivion Thieves guild was the best. Great moral side , and detailed main plot line. . Second DB Skyrim for the detailed plot line. The Companions were a good story line But it was a poor replacement for the fighter's guild that did exist in Skyrim in Daggerfall , & Oblivion .

[@insylem]

You don't go to Skyrim in Daggerfall. Only High rock and Hammerfell.

[@colt9836]

To be fair, iirc, the Fighter's Guild doesn't exist in Skyrim's era. Or is that the Mage's Guild?

[@jefflabbecomedy]

Babette tells you about the statue option during the Vici wedding ✌️doing that quest again today as I'm listening

[@adamthompson6669]

You are the best Fudgemuppet and I hope we get cyberpunk podcasts maybe 🤔. Also Oblivion looks great on series X 😁

[@TealWolf26]

That would be fun. I hope they do!

[@swaggrokrag]

Why was the assassination of bersidu shae so bad that the tong got cancelled?

[@Rakotino]

All hail Santa Claus

[@bacd-nn2lg]

Hardest thing to in Skyrim in Dark Brotherhood questline is choising between sparing or killing Cicero.

[@JP-my7fu]

Nah I always kill him

[@greyworld2246]

Nah I always

[@richardlionerheart1945]

Nah I

[@Frank-hk8zz]

Greatest psychopath sidekick

[@dustinhatfield8373]

Just starting this video, one question I've always wondered about is why doesn't the DB or morag tongworship Boethiah at all instead of mephala? I get that she does murder but bioethics is straight up assassination. Anyways, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it if you cover it, if not, hopefully a nice person will tell me their thoughts

[@isiraratnayake9491]

Remember, in the emperor's ship there is another assassin on board, other than the dragonborn.

[@Hercules1-v9m]

Sorry but the Dark Brotherhood and the Morag Tong have an agreement that the Tong will not operate outside Morrowind so we will not be seeing them unless there is a second assassin war.

[@ambrose9821]

I mean.. sithis and the edgy style and lore is the appeal to me 🙃 Also: if you go into black briar manner and go to the basement, behind a difficult lock there's a setup for the black sacrament and a letter from Maven saying how disappointed she is in Astrid that the legendary black sacrament clearly failed and that the dark brotherhood has clearly been reduced to a complete joke, there's also multiple instances connected to the dark brotherhood in Skyrim where it's easy to miss but if you do certain things, you'll return and find a gruesome scene related, such as having Cicero arrested at lorius farm, when you return the family is dead and blood is everywhere, for the first main assassination with muiri, if you kill the secondary target, her mom kills herself because both of her daughters are now dead, stuff like that is hidden but there are effects, it's just not laid out to the player

[@violetnightmare9216]

I really like the Skyrim Dark Brotherhood because of the variety of assassin characters in the sanctuary - they aren't all just people who sneak up and stab people with daggers - they have a mage who likes to blow people apart, a guy who fights his prey in single combat, etc.

[@Aleks_Ovski416]

Is there any way you can make a video/talk about the size of Tamriel as a continent, its geography, real world size, travel times via walking, horse, ship etc,, distance + real world comparisons and real world cultures?

[@Wired_User]

I love the idea that Vivec was the first Night Mother that orchestrated the Morag Tong/DB split, probably as a way to send all these terrible assassins outside of Morrowind to save the Dunmeri people from their unrestrained murderous ways. Mephala is most likely the first Night Mother, but Vivec is Anticipated by them, and he seemed to take credit for the split in his Sermons. Plus that would really rustle the DB’s jimmies. ;)

[@someasshole929]

the DB, especially in oblivion, was 100% my favorite. but never because it was edgy or anything or because i particularly liked the idea of being an assassin(Though I never minded that either), but rather because of just how oddly *nice* everyone there is. like, seemingly everyone in oblivion is rude as hell to the pc, but then the dark brotherhood is there and treats you so well and i just fcjhjjhg. it just gives off such paradoxically good vibes

[@MeagerClown]

To be honest, if the dark brotherhood is just a schism of the morag tong and the night mother just turns out to be mephala and sithis is well non-existent i guess, i'll actually just be disappointed. I've been wanting more elaboration on sithis and the brotherhood for some time, and i think the most boring mystery is an empty box. I want them to be their own thing, and I'd love for sithis to become for more important in one of the games than he currently is.

[@dimealena1713]

Yesss!!!

[@cameronmcguire2806]

It would be so awesome for bethesda to make an entire game based fully off of the dark brotherhood and being an assassin!! Like reform the shadowscales or the crimson scars are trying to be reformed!!!

[@sonshawnzy9975]

I explain the mother as a prophet to sythis

[@Zestyfresh96]

You get the ghost of lucien lachance and the extra set of special brotherhood armour as quest rewards

[@maxrander0101]

the best dark brotherhood quest was the (party) one where you have to kill all the guest without the others knowing and the fact that your the one with the key everyone is looking for

[@neckbeardedmorlock9258]

These videos make me wanna play skyrim again

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

Wild theory and/or fantasy: the Morag Tong will be the murder group you are first introduced to, but early on, something terrible will happen that's related to internal politics a la a traitor among them Oblivion style to prey on nostalgia and because there MIGHT be some maybe less-than-optimal story writing, but fret not, there will be a twist. They just cannot find the icky mole. They start looking to outside sources to sus the traitor out after some intense quests show it's a big problem and harder to solve than they thought. The guards are out, the Morag Tong is illegal in every province TES6 could be set. PI kind of characters aren't going to touch that for any amount of gold, so that's a no-go. Who do we know who can track down murders even with very little evidence to go on for their own nefarious desires? It's a huge risk, but they pray to the Night Mother and strike up a truce with the Dark Brotherhood because they're damn good at sniffing out unsavory people. They start to work well together about half way through and you start seeing a shift in the mind set of those who are working together. Instead of two groups with one going "Malphala 300%" and the other going "We serve the will Sithis until we too go to the void, his wifey is pretty cool" we start seeing them go "the will of Malphala and the will of Sithis go hand-in-hand and each devotion satiates the other's apatite" and characters are willingly praising the other's god. At the end of it, the mole is caught, and neither the MT or the DB is really strong enough to survive on their own in the area, and even though it isn't wanted by HQ of either organization, it creates a weird hybrid third option where they converge and a new splinter murder cult more specific to the needs of the area is born. They can hate each other in other provinces, but they have to work in tandem there to have any presence at all. Eventually tensions might make them truly cut off after each faction rebuilds enough, but for now the impossible is happening and they're working together, and the third big assassins' guild being their own thing is something for another game, but this is the establishing point we get to see. It would be a really fun series of quests and would open up more and better quests for future games too. But that's just my little fantasy.

[@mylesjohnson7351]

My first time playing the dark brotherhood was after I killed the grey prince in the arena it was odd to me because up until that point I had not killed anyone innocent and the grey prince had asked me to kill him because he was so ashamed of his vampire ancestry even tho my red guard characters as a good guy he found that he actually grew to enjoy killing the various targets the dark brotherhood set for him up until the dreaded dead drop quests that have you savagely kill all the high ranking dark brother hood members it was at this point that my character had enough of murder for hire and went back to killing those who deserved it only like bandits rouge wizards necromancers or anyone really unlucky enough to cross his path in the wild

[@apaul7502]

have you guys ever considered having TheCantina as a guest?

[@davidvalian]

I believe Scott was looking for “aftermath”?

[@TealWolf26]

Or....Fallout?

[@thatguyfromtheuk9499]

Around 6:20 Drew calls Michael, Mick, today of fudge muppet we will be looking into the deeper lore reasons as to how these friends developed a mick name

[@glockwraith]

in. honesty

[@evancondon1372]

If the storyline lines up, I would love to see Nazir in The Elder Scrolls Vl.

[@EmmaCosgrove123]

For a second I thought you wrote Nazeem 😂🙈

[@evancondon1372]

Accept I would never let him in elder scrolls 6, or at least it wouldn’t be long before I hire the brotherhood to kill him

[@MALWylie]

@@EmmaCosgrove123 Nazeem is too busy “visiting” the “Cloud District”.

[@kicoterie4227]

@@MALWylie nazeem is visiting the dragonborns moms “cloud district”

[@nicolasfelber239]

you should try to do a podcast on the top best fiction from the books of the different games like "a dance of fire", "the real Barenziah", "the mirror" etc...

[@AllINAllmusic]

The Michaels.

[@Noah_AWICB]

I love these so much, please keep doing them!

[@wraithreaper22]

Pretty sure Babette tells you about the statue you can push over because it's so old. I know they do have dialogue about using it.