*looks at list* Wait... Is this roughly in order from most fun to play against to least in their opinion?
@waynefeller88242 жыл бұрын
@@Kurayamiblack No.
@princepersona Жыл бұрын
20:16 for those wondering the Token phasing rule was updated in 2017 and the tokens now stay. There are still a lot of old rule discussions that frequently come up in google searches.
@Fishlampclock2 жыл бұрын
Talking about landfall without shouting out to field of the dead?!
This is definitely a must watch for newer players. Very informative and condensed without unnecessary details. Great job guys!
@SelfCheckout Жыл бұрын
exactly what I was looking for
@yannikkissa9419 Жыл бұрын
@@SelfCheckout yeah, me as well
@garagavia2 жыл бұрын
This was a really informative video. I think this will be a very important resource for newer players to understand some of the core concepts of commander, which they will encounter or may even build around themselves. 10/10
@lysander32622 жыл бұрын
Excuse me, but you appear to have forgotten about STOMPY as an archetype. Not every deck that drops big beaters needs tribal synergy, and not every deck that wants spectacular sorcelating needs to chain rituals. Some of us just happen to like our spells like we like our romantic interests: BIG. I'm talking Cascade into Cascade into Cascade into You Done. I'm talking Ultimatums and Elder Dragons. Mayael don't want none unless you're 5 power, son! We keep lit the torch of the OG Spirit of the Format! Stompy players, I see you, and remember we always have players in these streets.
@NixTheMouse2 жыл бұрын
Day 3 of asking you guys to get a European Cardmarket ref link so i can passively support you
@makeout-hill2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Would love that
@tortle10552 жыл бұрын
Imo, group hug done right follows a similar pattern to how you described wheels. 1. They accelerate everyone into the late game but you build your deck to be the most likely to win the late game. 2. Alternatively, you can play cards that accelerate everyone, with the catch that they accelerate you more.
@scribdfukkyu9630Ай бұрын
as an added bonus I run Leyline of Anticipation and Vedalken Orrery in my group hug so I can have control who benefits from my cards first (making everyone draw whilst having smothering tithe is also a nice way to accelerate yourself more than the rest of the table)
@kamilwhaley-kalaora48392 жыл бұрын
It’s my birthday today and I’m turning 18! I love your guy’s channel (it’s probably one of my most favourite channels on KZbin) and I’ve been looking forward to being wished a happy birthday by y’all :)
@Gresh172 жыл бұрын
It’s my birthday video!
@a.b.27232 жыл бұрын
🥳
@recofficial82602 жыл бұрын
As a Landfall player I think you missed explaining the Archetype. In future, I would suggest recommending playing extra lands per turn and card draw. Also flying creatures is a known weakness against landfall decks.
@strongarthanyew86502 жыл бұрын
"There's no anti-tribe card that's says 'a certain tribe gets -1/-1'" .......Engineered Plague hangs it's head in sadness
@jokerES22 жыл бұрын
Or Plague Engineer, Engineered Plague on a Creature. Though that only applies to opponents.
@FinalBosco2 жыл бұрын
Crippling Fear for the newer, shinier version 👍
@Donler2 жыл бұрын
For those that want to keep their friends, turn the video off at 41:26.
@charliemarlow6472 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you've not had great experience with group hug decks. They play by remaining innocuous, non-threatening, and gaining political advantage with players, helping them all with the resources they need to weaken each other. Then, once they're all shields down, the group hug deck can seize the opening to turn the tide in their favour. They're very similar to control and forced combat strategies, but play the politics dance in a different way. I personally think they're very fun and interesting to play with and against, adding a new dynamic to the game.
@austinsawicki97802 жыл бұрын
Group Hug decks, in my experience, almost always fall into the niche of "I know your strategy now, so you aren't innocuous." Like it's a gimmick for a game or two, but once people understand that you're threatening to win, they either use your group hug to speed up their game plan and kill you, or they just outright kill you.
@charliemarlow6472 жыл бұрын
@@baconoftheark If you're that averse to a group hug / politics deck, you should mention that before playing so you don't have to play against it! I respect that you might not enjoy these decks, but please don't fall into the trap of calling out certain strategies as unskilled or ruining the game, as this only spreads negativity. Everyone has different opinions on what's fun in commander and anything is valid as long as people are happy :)
@nemohimself25802 жыл бұрын
@@charliemarlow647 except control players.
@charliemarlow6472 жыл бұрын
@@nemohimself2580 😂
@Arisawa_Heavy_Ind2 жыл бұрын
Damn no Infect? Could have made a cool bit about how it's actually really hard to win with and basically requires proliferate shenanigans to knock out 3 players
@V2ULTRAKill2 жыл бұрын
I mean the new most efficient infect strategy is blightsteal ninjutsu No proliferate required
@Beessoup2 жыл бұрын
i have a slimefoot deck with infect. all you have to do is kill 10 spooling's when slimefoot has infect, and you win, because infect just cares about damage not specifically combat damage.
@egoish67622 жыл бұрын
I think it is useful to how the archetypes fit into the play styles, agro/combo/control, and how they stack together. For example zombie tribal is Tribal and Graveyard which can have some Self Mill, but it can also be Aristocrats and Tokens. I call mine Combo/Agro, but it is a mash-up of all those archetypes and i don't think there are many decks in commander that don't have some of that flexibility. Most edh control decks seem to have elements of stax, superfriends decks tend to lean into those two archetypes as well to stay alive. I think some of the most unique decks are the ones that combine them in unusual ways. Enchantress aristocrats stax was an interesting one i played against recently. Very controlling deck that tried to combo win but was holding the board back with prison effects and stax pieces.
@jesse86542 жыл бұрын
If getting your doctorate in MTG was possible, I’d say you guys are Dr. Cherries and Professor Bezzy! I love the content you guys are doing. You’re getting better and better!
@JaimeAGB-pt4xl2 жыл бұрын
A MUST VIDEO FOR NEW PLAYERS, they provide quality content as always 👍🏻 ... I personally have: 1- Tibal: Arcades (Walls), Varina (Zombies), Kykar (Flying keyword), Zada (goblins/tokens), Yuriko (Ninjas), Kadeena (morph) 2- ETB/Blink: Yarok 3- Stax: Alela (pay extra mana to do anything to me or in general) 4- Artifacts: Osgir 5- Lifegains/Counters: Lathiel 6- Spellslinger: Kalamax 7- Enchantress/Voltron: Tuvasa 8- Graveyard/Reanimate: Obeka Looking to built: Zaxara (control/token/counters), Zagras (control deathtouch), Goreclaw (Green Stompy), Orvar (control), Obosh (burn)
@dukemustdie48222 жыл бұрын
Honestly with how much Beezy has mentioned Karador over the years, idk about anyone else but I would love a video of him just talking about him and what cards would be good for him. Maybe even just a full deck video lol
@dukemustdie48222 жыл бұрын
@@goblinspy I know he has but I’d like to see him go on about it and just fan boy out on him. The way he likes his karador deck is very wholesome to me lol that and it would be nice for the more complex part of the deck
@notequalto51792 жыл бұрын
Another weakness for lifegain decks: voltron. It's always 20 commander damage to kill a player and they can't use lifegain to change that. That's how I killed a lifegain deck that got up to like 400 life. 23 commander damage in one hit and it was over. For control, I play Michiko and just punish people for wanting to chip me. Then we use indestructible + hexproof angels, luminarch ascension, monarchy, initiative, and "win the game" stuff like Approach of the Second Sun.
@Sehon13Ultd2 жыл бұрын
21, not 20
@blazetrinity94622 жыл бұрын
My first fully built edh deck is an oloro control deck, the wincons are basically planeswalkers like teferi, ugin, emrakul or just looping infinite turns with kefnet + scroll rack + any extra turn spell. The deck also plays some number of anti creature stax pieces like tainted aether, spreading plague, etc, this is so that the deck no longer needs to play that many boardwipes and have rooms for other removals, counters or more card draw spells. The deck has been surprisingly effective so far, especially against creature decks, has been playing it for years and still loving it.
@DanielPaganMurphy2 жыл бұрын
Playing mass LD is absolutely fine if you're facing a ramp deck. This "protected by social contract" stuff needs to stop. LD can be a legit strategy
@burningpapersun12 жыл бұрын
It's my birthday today. I was actually looking forward to you guys saying that.
@BenDreamsofTacos2 жыл бұрын
Happy Burthday!!
@aarongornalle292 жыл бұрын
Should be time stamps for archetypes
@brandonpayne49232 жыл бұрын
Missed land destruction wheres it at bruh
@Imperaldra2 жыл бұрын
Timestamps would be nice 😅
@EyesofRinnegan2 жыл бұрын
Didnt even list chaos decks, shame
@chrishiggins26512 жыл бұрын
Moxfield mid-run ad time is going to be at 26:47
@Kamehamehobby2 жыл бұрын
I love magic but I haven't played since scourge( yes im old). I'm so impressed that you'll are able to remember each cards name and abilities. It's nuts. Love the videos
@765craven4 Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough I got my Teysa Karlov during 2021 for my first deck when I got back into MTG (I originally started out playing in old Theros but couldn't use my old deck for FNM), the Gideon the Oathsworn precon, not realizing she wasn't standard. After Theros Beyond Death dropped and I played at a pre release I fell off of Standard again because I realized how expensive it would be to continue playing and switched over to Commander, converting most of my Gideon deck to an Aristocrats deck using Teysa as my Commander, not even realizing she's one of the best Aristocrats Commanders. At the time I didn't even know the name for the strategy.
@pauldyson80982 жыл бұрын
My bday next Saturday. Just sayin.
@EMMYMXNC2 жыл бұрын
“Sacrifice a creature colon” …like- just its colon? O . O
@stayathomedad48302 жыл бұрын
🤣
@goatsfluff2 жыл бұрын
I do agree that clones is a more niche archetype than, say, aristocrats or landfall, but I still cry in Brudiclad, Donal, Feldon, Inalla, Jaxis, Kiki-Jiki, Miirym, Orvar, Rhys, Riku and Scarab God. And Brudiclad, Donal, Feldon, Inalla, Jaxis, Kiki-Jiki, Miirym, Orvar, Rhys, Riku and Scarab God (heh, am I funny yet?).
@nicholaswalker22782 жыл бұрын
For Stax its worth mentioning that you can also run a Stax deck based on hatebear creatures with a commander like Winota. With those kinds of decks it is much faster at closing the game but a little weaker to board wipes.
@kingginger33352 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that you made this video. I tried searching deck types the other day but could only find 3. Aggro, Mid-Range and Control. But I didn't think to look up Archetypes. So now I don't have too! Lol
@HomeCookinMTG2 жыл бұрын
Agro mid-range and control are definitely deck types for sure, there's also tempo and Combo, these are more general terms while archetypes are more specific. For example, you could have an aristocrats deck that's focused on combo killing as quickly as possible or you can have one that's more focused on controlling the board with death triggers.
@ahmadchehade16452 жыл бұрын
personally when I deck build I like to either go really hard on one archetype to try and maximize its strengths or I'll balance 2 within a deck that play off each other's strengths and weaknesses
@astuteanansi49352 жыл бұрын
No burn? I know it's much harder to pull off in commander since you have 3 opponents and each has 40 life but there are still decks that can pull it off with beefy enough spells (Neheb comes to mind). Mill's also worth a mention, not an archetype that sees a *ton* of commander play due to the whole 100 card decks thing, but still Also, to me, the most emblematic stax commander is not even Augustin, it's Gaddock Teeg. Because Augustin slows the game down, but you can still *sorta* play. Gaddock Teeg straight up says "oh, you're a Timmy? Well *sorry* Timmy, I guess you just don't *get* to play Magic today. Better luck next time." Though, I guess he's technically more of a hatebears commander than stax per se? Are the two different enough to draw a difference between them?
@matthewmccreight98542 жыл бұрын
I gave you a dislike for saying moxfield will win you games. (Not that i dislike your content, i simply diagree) I dont use sites like that to compile what im doing and usually dumpster ppl with definite consistency. (I do the math, and layout according to that.) Kadena; control Kambal; control Anje; reanimator Edgar Markov; tribal/ agro Just a few that i enjoy piloting. (I have built multiple versions of specific commanders also)
@counterburn12162 жыл бұрын
This is why I made erebos the commander of my lifegain deck. Inherent lifegain payoff on the commander itself and lots of graveyard value in monoblack
@sharkmanyt44312 жыл бұрын
I think forced fruition is absolutely one of the WORST magic cards ever printed. It literally just says the next opponent wins the game. Just draw your deck and cast natures claim and win
@billyumbraskey81352 жыл бұрын
Look this word up, and click the little speaker icon... Why is this such a hard word for MTG youtubers to pronounce? How come 1 guy can say it properly but the other cant? Wtf?
@skykeks2 жыл бұрын
It's missing pillowfort. I play a deck that tries to make myself be untouchable with cards that give hexproof, protection, indestructible, cant loose the game etc.
@unusuallycloudy2 жыл бұрын
"Lands are protected by the social contract in commander, so you can't set this deck back to the Stone Age" _shifty eyes... sleeves up Armageddon_
@shawnmsattler21162 жыл бұрын
How bout a exile cards. I have atheist 1 in every deck with card searches to fine it, especially against indestructible and artifacts style decks, my son runs a scarecrow deck with darksteel forge and rails me with indestructible artifacts.
@DocProfFoxBeard2 жыл бұрын
Elesh Norn is a bane and payoff for token decks.
@mr.mammuthusafricanavus82992 жыл бұрын
LOL Elesh Norn in my Emiel deck has done WERK. I am a simple person so Kamahl and Elesh Norn: turn their lands into 1/1's watch them die to Elesh's -2/-2 or I love Blinking Hornet Queen with Emiel than dropping Elesh for the win awww the glory of Phyrexia! ;p
@jnorthey9 Жыл бұрын
I have my deck teferi and friends which is a stenn paranoid parisian stax superfriends deck, built around slowing everyone down long enough for your planeswalkers to take over. also stasis plus teferi hero of dominaria is pretty good
@michelemichienzi9342 жыл бұрын
Superfriends it's annoying because it enables to abuse obliterate and similar cards. Even just wrath spamming can be super annoying in super friends.
@aclevername7613 Жыл бұрын
Personally the reason i have a disdain for playing against super friends is just how boring and drawn out the game with due to the sheer amount of board wipes and control they need to run. Just makes a utterly boring and annoying game I would rather not be playing.
@dabonto8130 Жыл бұрын
Ive been running toski Voltron who is a 1/1 with indestructible and he has some card draw, it honestly works just bc he's so hard to get out of the game
@hunters40012 жыл бұрын
I support this channel purely for the dragon shield sponsor. To hell with the liars claiming ultra pro are the best sleeves, they shuffle wierd...
@ExpressSports34 Жыл бұрын
How do you not think of Mondrak, Glory Dominus when it comes to token decks? Doubling tikens sounds like the best thing you can do in that style of deck.
@vanstromi78107 ай бұрын
Moxfield is perfect in every way except having custom categories. Tags aren’t efficient at all
@bladetb39342 жыл бұрын
If I see walking ballista in a landfall deck Imma be mad. (Not real mad, but that doesn't belong in there at all) what in the world does walking ballista have to do with landfall?
@ryandunn59912 жыл бұрын
Tribal deck - don't have less than 20 My dragon deck 9+ commander
@johnward63612 жыл бұрын
wow, no mention of rograkh son of rohgahh for voltron? Him partnered with ardenn is my favorite voltron deck.
@xellsunday Жыл бұрын
you forgot weakness of lifegain is also voltron. and you forgot that tokens and aristocrats has some overlap.
@milinko4468 Жыл бұрын
talking super friends/ flicker and no Aminatou, the fateshifter thats wild
@keiharris3322 жыл бұрын
I'm still playing oloro like a weirdo. I could drop the blue potentially and go orzov but I dunno
@parkcollie-zd6jo Жыл бұрын
needs update for infect. after the phyrexian precons i have at least 1 infect in my pod every other game... i hate my pod
@matthewbell48972 жыл бұрын
Blindly guessing the location of the moxfield promo: 29:22
@tomfisher6422 Жыл бұрын
Does having your opponent disqualified for punching you in the throat count as a win condition?
@shlokmimani-gamingandmagic91292 жыл бұрын
you forgot mill,infect,discard,chaos,pod and cheerios
@DarthAlgar5 Жыл бұрын
Enlightened Tutor into Darksteel mutation for Erebos
@aarongornalle292 жыл бұрын
Vial smasher sakashima is my grixis control deck. Dealing damage while using one sided removal like cylonc rift, delayed blast fireball, toxic deluge to an extent and extinction event. WIn cons are extra turns and planeswalkers up ticking or just killing people with vial smasher triggers with removal and counter magic. Play cards like sygg, curiosity and ophidian eye to have card advantage and the damage scales as the game goes on because your casting more expensive spells.
@jamesgratz47712 жыл бұрын
That’s pretty meta.
@yugioh3952 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a really fun deck man!
@brabra2725 Жыл бұрын
"lands are protected through the social contract". What an idiotic statement.
@Jonzin4BeatzNYC2 жыл бұрын
Is Cherry's hair a different color on top or do I need to make a doctor's appointment?
@nicholaslovelady825811 ай бұрын
I know this is a year old but I hope they did see that they have an anti creature type card for the tribal
@nerdpopeking2 жыл бұрын
When I heard Chandra Tribal I felt seen.
@Quidization2 жыл бұрын
There's also Stigma lasher vs Lifegain decks
@noobtuber102 жыл бұрын
Enchantress can combo is doable without shitty heliod
@wesleypollek46372 жыл бұрын
Little bit sad that Mill didn't make the list but I guess it's not really viable these days
@professionalcasual5482 Жыл бұрын
What's the commander on the right in the thumbnail
@dullestpenguin41512 жыл бұрын
Anti-tribal card idea sounded pretty cool. To not make it a dead card it could be something like: as you cast this spell choose a creature type, creatures of the chosen type get either +X/+X or -X/-X until end of turn where X is equal to the number of creatures of the chosen type players control. Great tribal card that doubles as tribal hate in a pinch.
@phelandiller4066 Жыл бұрын
Plague Engineer is the closest thing we have. Could search it out in a creature toolbox deck and start cloning it to make a tribal deck 🥲
@AnneFrankExplosion2 жыл бұрын
dont do the patrons at the start i thought the video was over and was gonna skip it
@leeroyjenkins5522 жыл бұрын
The cognitive dissonance of y'all thinking Grave Titan is bad but thinking Wurm Coil Engine "takes over games" is funny to me
@danewirostek19032 жыл бұрын
Isnt wormcoil engine strictly better because lifelink helps stabilize? Also its an artifact so its good with a goblin welder effect
@randomguy62322 жыл бұрын
Everybody loves graveyard shenanigans 👍
@chrisdavis5948 Жыл бұрын
Just leaving out Commander mill? 😢
@jordanbpetersonforpresiden30732 жыл бұрын
Whats the most must have card in a lanthril elf deck?
@Misheva2 жыл бұрын
you guys are knocking it out of the park!
@handsomegdjack4497 Жыл бұрын
Usually run an aristocrat lifegain deck
@kentharris18202 жыл бұрын
Drago and Jesika is cracked for a voltron deck.
@robertmorris41632 жыл бұрын
Goblin decks are actually aristocrat.
@Luchiop Жыл бұрын
Dude on the left. Inflection... modulate.
@finni1081 Жыл бұрын
first second of the video, beezy seems a little bit shocked by joes "WELCOME" 😂
@NitpickingNerds Жыл бұрын
I am a surprising welcoming
@pedroms7202 жыл бұрын
Cherry looking pretty asf 🥰
@ducksoup102 жыл бұрын
Personally, I enjoy playing Red-Black for sacrificing and recurring artifacts with Juri, Master of Revue as the commander. Examples for this deck are Resourceful Return, Scrap Mastery, Keskit, the Flesh Sculpture, mycosynth Wellspring, Oni-Cult Anvil, Disciple of the Vault, Slag Fiend, Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast, so on and so forth.
@novusnocturnm2 жыл бұрын
My favorite aristocratics is extus/awaken the blood avatar. I never play extus and only cast the awaken side, it’s so much fun. For artifacts I’m currently running Galazeth. Artifact/spellslinger. For voltron my top pick is bruna alabaster, that was my Al time favorite deck she takes care of the auras going to the grave. nowadays I am making killion.
@jamesday1234562 жыл бұрын
Super friends is one of my favorites
@ebbandfloatzel2 жыл бұрын
Adding in Control right at the end felt weird. Without the other evergreen archetypes, such as aggro/combo/midrange/tempo, it felt too vague compared to the other archetypes. In fact, I think the archetype least understood in edh is tempo. Sometimes it's referred to as a farm deck. But it's the deck that attempts to push its resource efficiency high. Draw extra cards, use your mana efficiently, etc. In CEDH, it's to push towards combos. But Jund Farm decks would be your more typical tempo strategy where you tempo out a board state, and swing the game in your favor with something like Selvala's Stampede or a medium sized Hoof to remove the most threatening player.
@ich37302 жыл бұрын
tempo is weak at casual edh because you cant make efficient plays in EDH. its simply not possible. The "opposing side" is drawing 3 cards per turn and has 3x the mana you have :D
@ebbandfloatzel2 жыл бұрын
@@ich3730 I find that argument very strange, because everyone is supposed to somehow come ahead of that "One vs Three" problem by the end of the day. A lot of the time I see games where everyone is keeping each other in check. And that's where a tempo deck, with some smart play and sand bagging, actually thrives. It doesn't have to be super high power level for a deck running Ledger Shredder/Kraum/Esper Sentinel/Smothering Tithe/other similar incremental value cards to end up being ahead. Jund Farm decks run similar cards, but gain their main advantages through combat with cards like Shakedown Heavy/Grim Hireling/Prof Face Breaker. Usually along some forms of stax and mass removal too. I don't think you've lived until you've hit a Culling Ritual for 8+ mana.
@eighteentwilight85472 жыл бұрын
Lmao the contempt for group hug.
@mcsasquatch2 жыл бұрын
Osgir equipment deck.
@notcaboose44152 жыл бұрын
wilhelt is my tribal aristocrats
@crawdaddy20042 жыл бұрын
Your comment about Rest in Peace and Replenish is so true. I learned that a while ago. 😂 I swapped it out for Ground Seal. It is still a non-bo with Eternal Witness, but you as long as you run Seal of Cleansing or Primordium, you can blow up Ground Seal (this came up, like, two or three weeks ago).
@m1p302 жыл бұрын
built the graveyard angels saskia deck that you guys did an upgrade of a while back - not exact but I'm loving her and I'm mad that the new angel that gives myriad isn't all ladies. I will begrudgingly alter the card to make sure it's all femmes joining the fray. saskia lesbian tribal must survive!
@Shimatzu952 жыл бұрын
Funfact While not technically blink or flicker red can do something verry simmiliar with temporary clones using cards like kikijiki
@TheRodrigo3512 жыл бұрын
they forgot the creature slinger and stompy, omg!!! It's ok, i don't care. You guys are awesome!!!!
@scottsmith99362 жыл бұрын
Umbris Voltron is great and overcomes a lot of weaknesses, blue Artifact fetch, menace/shadow, deadeye Navigator and other bounce effects, lots of fun
@LouisKing9952 жыл бұрын
I feel like Ur Dragon and Edgar Markov are the quintessential tribal commanders, and I guess an elf commander too.
@kingginger33352 жыл бұрын
When I hear Aristocrat deck, I think of Athreos, God of Passage with Shadowborne Apostles and some sweet Demons
@keithdiaz61472 жыл бұрын
I love playing Sidisi Ad Naus storm. Granted it’s cedh but it’s ability to win out of nowhere is insane.
@davidwehmhoff5710 Жыл бұрын
just getting into commander, this was a really helpful video for me! Ive heard of all of these but needed them actually explained with examples