FULL Investigation on Fanatics (파나틱스) VLIVE Scandal and Why I'm NO Longer A Fan

UPDATE VIDEO - FANATICS is Under NEW Management: • Fanatics (파나틱스) VLIVE ...
Unlike most news outlets reporting the same information, this video aims to clarify what happened during the Fanatics VLIVE giveaway and shed light on an ongoing issue with Fanatics for the past few months.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Intro - 0:00
Briefing - 1:14
Theories - 2:47
Ongoing Issues - 8:54
Conclusion - 13:15
--Fansubs for Fanatics Videos That Aren't Available Anywhere--
Thank You To Parents
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Interview With Lucky Cho Part 1 and 2
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Milkshake MV Behind The Scenes
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Milkshake Jacket Making Behind The Scenes
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Milkshake Fanmeet Part 1 and 2
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bit.ly/3Me24jb
Milkshake Promo Trilogy
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bit.ly/394e4X0
bit.ly/3arxhCj
SOURCES
----BGM----
Fanatics - INTRO (Be My Fanatics)
Dual Destinies - Investigation
Spirit of Justice - Moderato
Spirit of Justice - Allegro
Stellar - Twinkle
----LINKS----
Fanatics - Sunday (MV)
• [MV] FANATICS (파나틱스) _...
Fanatics-Flavor - Milkshake (MV)
• [MV] FANATICS-FLAVOR(파...
Fanatics - V.A.V.I. Girl (MV)
• [MV] FANATICS(파나틱스) _ ...
Fanatics Flavor - Milkshake Jacket Making Film
• [FANATICS] FLAVOR(플레이버...
Fanatics with Lucky Cho Part 1
• [연충] 호에에엥엑!!! '도이야 왜 ...
Fanatics Fan Sign Event Part 2
• FLAVOR(플레이버) MILKSHAKE...
VLIVE 9.7 (no longer available)
www.vlive.tv/video/211790?cha...
VLIVE 5.27
www.vlive.tv/video/193586?cha...
VLIVE 6.29
www.vlive.tv/video/200058?cha...
VLIVE 8.14
www.vlive.tv/video/208046?cha...
VLIVE 9.4
www.vlive.tv/video/211401?cha...
VLIVE 8.12
www.vlive.tv/video/207814?cha...
VLIVE 7.10
www.vlive.tv/video/202235?cha...
NATURE VLIVE
www.vlive.tv/video/213563?cha...
BVNDIT VLIVE
www.vlive.tv/video/213736?cha...
SATURDAY VLIVE
www.vlive.tv/video/200281?cha...
EVERGLOW VLIVE
www.vlive.tv/video/209998?cha...
GIRLKIND VLIVE
www.vlive.tv/video/206947?cha...
Fanatics - Message To Their Parents
• 파나틱스의 든든한 버팀목이 되어준 부모님...
Fanatics Promisinger
• [promiSINGER] Ep.13 - ...

[@RemyConst]

If the ceo is willing to slap someone while they're live. Who knows how he acts when cameras are off. The sexual explotation of young female idols is disgusting and I'm sure Fanatics aren't the only ones being treated this way. Groups might jsut not be popular enough to be discussed about.

[@Johnny-hn9ts]

It's part of the Korean culture...these things have been going on for years...

[@victoriab98]

@@Johnny-hn9ts that doesn’t make it right

[@Denturess]

Johnny culture is still subject to criticism.

[@heisenberg7041]

@@erikascencen stfu, stop sharing fake links fuck you

[@Otra_Chica_de_Internet]

thats definetly not the sound of a slap

[@enananananananan]

Right before the slap, you can hear a male voice asking, “are you an idiot?” I know nothing about Fanatics, but they have all of my support. If one of the members was slapped, which is highly likely, that’s disgusting. The exploitation of these girls is also terrible.

[@lunabtxt]

Ikr

[@sammyy003]

Omg I heard that "바보야" :(

[@goffymusiclover]

Even if it was a female staff member that got slapped it’s still terrible

[@lunabtxt]

Dream Angel ikr

[@hirataisme2383]

He say paboo right?

[@nameislara]

Why is that being a woman is so difficult, and dangerous.

[@blinkbeautyy]

It dangerous because of the Patriarchal world.

[@Mariaonthemoon_]

@@blinkbeautyy and it is really unfair

[@knightenchanter7908]

It's not just women. Did y'all forget the whole Eastlight scandal? It was male idols getting abused there. And happened the same way as here. It was caught in the background noise when some members were getting beaten up while the other members were filming.

[@xerrekim9711]

Knight Enchanter I agree with you.

[@knightenchanter7908]

@@Llopside The person who said "Patriarchy" implied men have it all sunshine and rainbows when they brought up the notion because patriarchy does mean men have it all sunshine and rainbows. How's the nature of the incident different though? The East Light members were being physically beaten up, for years mind you. There's no difference, they're all being abused. Saying xx being abused is worse than yy being abused is just wrong on so many levels.

[@abibiaa]

Their CEO/Cameraman is absolutely disgusting. This is making me worried for the girls. Like nobody knows what's happening behind the cameras.

[@fetricowen]

And many YG stan say YG ceo is worst they just didn.t know how disgusting another ceo

[@itzcrystalzz]

@@fetricowen do u need help learning english i can help you!

[@idees19]

Some ceos sell their idols to higher ups for money so disgusting Hopefully this company is not selling them as sex workers or something bc it's really sad and disgusting

[@itzcrystalzz]

@@idees19 sell- bro im tryna be a kpop idol what now

[@idees19]

@@itzcrystalzz I don't know hahaha but yeah some companies sell their artist for sponsorships etc etc etc etc

[@yurinli8300]

I'm actually kinda worried about what happens behind the scenes

[@linariz0087]

I hate my mind but i thought the same

[@charlenekaye6744]

It must be so worst off camrera

[@reina13301]

@@charlenekaye6744 oh shit..

[@kayleekaylee1030]

I’m very very worried

[@charlenekaye6744]

We don’t know they might be getting assaulted or abused behind cams

[@RayMak]

By looking at the way they were sitting. They were clearly uncomfortable even from the beginning.

[@PeridotCentichannel]

Hi again.

[@oliviacolombiadontraiseupndown]

Wth you also watch kpop i see you everywhere

[@arohakpop7969]

Dude,You're literally everywhere! I-

[@ClaudeVon24]

Wth why you even here

[@hiroblabla]

Bro how r u everywhere

[@felixswifeu7976]

This is honestly so disgusting i cant- the girls look scared

[@dreamcatcherxinsomniavelov270]

This is make me angry grr . I hate the company treat they idol badly.. grr

[@rainaraina4325]

@@erikascencen fuck you stop

[@luluorenge]

HYBE OFFICIAL you’re desperate

[@whyamihere4441]

If they do this off and on camera imagine what they are gonna do because of this scandal I’m so scared for them 😭

[@kaitlyndiep9526]

Ikr

[@fauziahnurizzati2424]

yeah it's CEO, because u can hear him speak informally to the girls in korean. a normal cameraman wouldn't have known the members that well to speak informally.

[@collinyermom]

Omg in the other vlives he's clearly trying so hard to move the camera so that it's pointed at their legs and trying to show under their skirts like literally stop- this guy needs to go to JAIL 😔😔🙈

[@simplysimpy17]

@@erikascencen may that peace of shit get fucking fired and go to jail

[@youtubespy9473]

@@erikascencen That website is not safe.

[@estelaangeles2346]

@@simplysimpy17 but boy idols do it too and no one knows

[@simplysimpy17]

@@estelaangeles2346 exactly we will never know, and that's scary

[@PokeTwilight]

@@erikascencen Stop giving a fake link and acting concern. People like you are equally disgusting.

[@lauren5159]

Whoever the camera man is, that perv is trying to show their legs WAY too much for it to be an accident or coincidence. These girls are so talented and I hope they can find a company or get a new ceo that will treat them with respect in the future.

[@wok7152]

i think he puts the dogs in the videos on purpose for an excuse to view their legs

[@erikascencen]

He's slandering them now ninjastream.to/watch/W9B6Z42NzAJGj/shameofkorea

[@prektonnziya8236]

It's truly disgusting and I know when he is exposed in some way. He would be guilty and ashamed. I mean if some people know it's wrong to do these things, why are they doing it?

[@estelaangeles2346]

@@prektonnziya8236 if the bad guy watches porn then the people shouldnt say its okay he's a grown guy

[@DennisHecox]

its their ceo i think?

[@AsheztoAshez]

The camera showing off their legs is definitely weird. If anyone knows anything about Korea culture, they would understand how weird it is for their legs to be exposed. Also holy crap - it was disturbing hearing that slap

[@Kingdom_Of_Dreams]

It's not weird at all. All I ever see when girl groups perform is their legs. I hear that it's considered inappropriate to reveal more than you should "up top" in Korea, so that's why female idols show off their legs instead. Seriously, when they perform, they're in short dresses and shorts most of the time because their legs are eye candy I guess.

[@user-jl4dl2bb4e]

Yeah unfortunately though because of korean culture pervs are more likely to actually tune into videos of idols exposing more skin so in a way they do gain more views and whatever bs the company cares about but I don’t believe that’s the way to go to get a group recognised at all, they should be recognized for their talents and not their bodies. I feel bad for the girls because they became idols for a reason.

[@sharkddududdudu1679]

@@Kingdom_Of_Dreams rip , my thighs are so fat

[@ldragon8480]

@@Kingdom_Of_Dreams you have not been paying very much attention then. Nearly every time an female idol sits in a short skirt they are given blankets or a cover of some kind.

[@user-pm2zv9fs5r]

@@Kingdom_Of_Dreams when they're standing. its considered bad when they're sitting bc its going to rise up and even if ur legs are together u can see

[@quokkadoodledoo]

4:16 you can hear a male saying "Mwo hae? Babo nya?" which translates to "What are you doing? Are you stupid?" and after that you can hear a slap.😬

[@trixcee_3370]

there’s a gasp! someone was crying

[@nfreddyyy]

Fuck this ceo

[@poudretteitegem4015]

Yah! I only heard it when you mention it, now it is really clear to me. This CEO needs to be sued. I really hate it, those girls... :'(

[@trixcee_3370]

@@poudretteitegem4015 yesss poor girls 😢

[@byulsskinisfresherthanyour1422]

I can only hear the babo nya?

[@edamyeonn]

I'm not a fans of them nor I know their existance but I am truly disgusted? Like I am too worried about those newly debut rookie girl group, like they are new to idol world but those ceo or cameraman just take advantages of those rookie group because they probably will feel safe

[@dayzi88]

agree

[@starrbitz1229]

y'all pls support the members who are currently participating in mnet's survival show, girls planet 999. it might be our last opportunity to help them. vote everyday for rayeon, chiayi and doah. they deserve to debut again after being treated like this by their company.

[@iyuzjeon7]

I'm sorry for rayeon she's been eliminated but lets support do ah and chiayi

[@Samurollie]

They all eliminated :( but Doah got a lot of attention, so a hope this helps the group

[@princessalisasharma2749]

Sadly, they all got eliminated :(

[@SanteezArmy]

@@Samurollie that's why im here. I actually have heard of this scandal before so seeing that this is doah's group breaks my heart :/

[@ITSME-sp5up]

😭✊

[@wakuwaku8660]

It's not just that there are no provocative angles on other ggs-- in fact, a lot even have staffs that are even more frantic in reminding their artists to like cover up or hand them blankets just to be safe, especially when they're not really paying attention & just being carefree. That's generally the norm in most ggs, especially the more 'mainstream' ones. Which is why i really respect & agree with his decision to stop being a fan. No matter how much you love the girls, at the end of the day, the company is still the one earning more profit from all the support from the fans.

[@Maltcandyxp]

I actually don't agree.... even if we disapprove of it and don't want to give money to the company, I feel like should support the girls until their contract is over and they can leave the company, because right now they're probably in huge debt, not supporting them won't help them either... best is for them to leave once they do well enough for the debt to be paid off

[@bibidibabidiboo]

Mainstream ggs go through some form of mistreatment, but not as extensively as this. I've seen twice members being uncomfortable in the revealing clothes they are given to wear for fanmeets, performances etc. Joy from red velvet especially comes to mind. We should seriously be able to do something about how companies treat the bodies of their idols.

[@loon7181]

@@Maltcandyxp most artists from bad companies like this will never even earn money, their contracts are pretty bad. Although I guess they could earn some money from individual activities ?? Idk, like Doah's drama

[@aaaa-gj1kn]

yes but the sad truth is the only way this will stop if we stop supporting that company we love them amd want them to make money but the management is not good this will make them disband where doe that leave the girls well they could go into another company or they can just split up and go their own ways or just split up or do something else hate it when these things happen

[@Maltcandyxp]

@wasteland babi blackpink is different tho, they alr earned enough to pay off their debts, but these girls haven't. Do y'all mean if the company goes bankrupt the girls will definitely not have to pay back debt?

[@ChiKa0916]

Even if it’s only a vlive, they should still make sure the girls’ legs are covered. Specially since they’re wearing such short skirts and shorts🤔😑

[@annabambamjerky]

Isn’t it strange that they’re all wearing shorts and skirts? Not one person decided to wear shorts or a mid length dress that day?

[@ber245]

@@annabambamjerky this probably was not a casual vlive, bc if so, there were ggs that did vlives and they dress in what they like, but this looks like they were dressed up and stylists were asked by the ceo for these clothes, its probably the stylists that maybe wanted them to dress down but ceo gets the final say

[@MA-qh7br]

Im so sad for them. They just wanted to strive for their dreams but they are being exploited. Hope theyll gain more fans.

[@shantakidd6230]

The “this isn’t anything new” argument is so inane. Like, is it supposed to be ok now because it happens to other girls? Is it fine because many girl groups are uncomfortably sexualized?

[@niakurnia8576]

I don't think this CEO called 'cameraman' was just trying to show their legs tho. He also want to show their *breasts*, especially Doi's. You can see it clearly in 3:05 where he focused on her chest. There are also many moments from the clips you showed that he make them wear clothes that reveal the mid of their chest (again, mostly Doi). Why I 'accused' him for it? Because let's be honest. 80-90% of the time, the clothes worn by the idols are decided by the stylists, who (in this case) are most likely being controlled by the ceo. And as you can see, the girls always wear clothes that are too short for every vlive *Edit for grammar mistakes

[@boboblueblue2]

I 100% agree!

[@666HYUCK]

True I noticed it as well. And I’m your 1k like lol

[@kwiiba168]

p!nk_MOCHI that's not the point ..

[@Marie-om5eh]

@@lulu_Lm that isnt the point. The clothes are still revealing and inappropriate

[@Marie-om5eh]

@@lulu_Lm dont be rude. It is clear the outfits were in an attempt to sexualise. Just because a woman has small breasts doesnt mean she cant be sexualised

[@Anayaah421]

Your video quality is so good, I thought you were a prominent channel and saw you only have one subscriber?? What??? Edit: Haha I'm glad my comment has become a subscriber count. Keep it going y'all!!

[@hoomaninearth7234]

Now he has 132 subscribers tho

[@shrey549]

The channel just debuet

[@dreamcatcherxinsomniavelov270]

And then I read yours comments..now I'm ..whut ? Sub now ,too

[@mohammadmuslim784]

@@dreamcatcherxinsomniavelov270 I am not insomnia but I think I saw you several times on dreamcatcher reaction or fan channel somewhere.

[@acaterpillargivingbirth]

444 now !

[@Isellaa02]

Before you showed girlkind towards the end I was literally thinking, look at girlkind they come from a small company but all their Vlives are respectful to the members. Their 4 member Vlives always cut off from below the waist. This is the correct way to be respectful to a smaller girl group. And most of the time the girls start their own streams (mostly medic jin) at random times of the days and they always seem to be comfortable with their surroundings. I hope these girls are able to be in a more comfortable environment moving forward

[@rapthor666]

Right, i remember a YongkungByulkung vlive where they're outside and a fan comments the shirt of Solar's a bit see-through in the sun. And she pans the camera higher, with her face flustered as she didn't think about what she put on hahahaha. As far as I know Mamamoo only in their first few years had some shortish stage outfits, they're the example how it should be done

[@raeino5434]

@@rapthor666 Agreed, mamamoos vlives feel the realest, theyre not putting on an act for the camera, they dont wear fancy clothes and put on a lot of makeup, they just show themselves as they are on their live broadcasts.

[@moonlitgalaxy5940]

Isela Jaramillo i miss girlkind sm, i hope they’re doing well

[@Isellaa02]

@@moonlitgalaxy5940 they're actually doing well, I actually have a signed album from them and a hoodie (not signed) and I have a jin signed polaroid. The girls usually go live at least once a week!! Oh also, Xeheun is going to be on a Web Drama so watch out for that!!

[@kerina543]

Why would he(the man behind the cam) even try to adjust the cam? I rarely see any artists' vlive video with unstable/constantly adjusted camera positions

[@sponglish4903]

Yup, totally unprofessional and in that case sus

[@nikolnolastname4473]

This was a random video that popped for me. I'm not a fan of the group nor do I plan to support them but i can see your passion in this video. Great work and I hope you keep on posting more.

[@vf85200]

Same

[@NadRV257]

Yeah me too

[@gostudy2377]

Same..

[@nicojaroallani6587]

Same

[@mhochoa]

As someone who was taught how to read body language during interrogations while in the U.S. military there was definitely something going on off camera. To me this is straight up sexual harassment/exploitation and it's just sad. I really feel for them and I hope something positive comes out of this.

[@heidifranco8077]

That cameraman needs to be stopped, he was acting like a creep, they look so uncomfortable, i cant imagine being in that situation myself

[@imnotsurewhy]

These harassments needs to be stopped ASAP. Why aren't anyone talking about this right now?

[@raveenab.l.4733]

This is so sad and heartbreaking. Things going on in the industry can be so messed up sometimes. I hope they don't have to go through this ever again.

[@alexc9278]

i don't know them..but are they ok now? are they still in that agency?

[@raveenab.l.4733]

@@alexc9278 even I'm not very sure about it ☹️

[@alexc9278]

@@raveenab.l.4733 omg..poor girls..I hate this small/unknown shitty agencies..bruh I hope the girls are fine and the ceo will be punished

[@raveenab.l.4733]

@@alexc9278 yes exactly such things don't really come into light especially if it's from smaller agencies. I'm glad that this did

[@flora2359]

@@alexc9278 well some members keep updating their official twt so i guess yes. there's no way to simply break the contract cuz it would cost a lot. they also cant sue the company because in addition to expenses and stress it would be a long process, not to mention that south korea doesnt care that much abt moral/sexual harassment with idols

[@lorenzovonmatterhorn3961]

The apology is just blabla! The pervert manger/cameraman who likes to hit girls needs to bow down and aplogise publicly! I will boycott this company!

[@mercury8014]

@@erikascencen tf is this??

[@user-vr8ci9mo8r]

@@mercury8014 what is it??

[@patriciagamayon8609]

@@user-vr8ci9mo8r its nonsense link. Dont click it.

[@mwohaeyo]

This was depressing... but well needed. This industry isn’t healthy for the artists, as we have seen in many and various cases.

[@someonesbored4928]

This is also why Girlgroup never last long, they tend to focus on sexual appeal, when fans easily find more sexy and hot groups and mostly fanboy don't stay loyal to their faves as much as fangirls *sigh idk how this gonna stop soon

[@aliceb2132]

Tbh I think their manager was the cameraman cause he sounded young and staff in general are really expensive to afford for even small companies. There is no way the CEO would reduce themselves to a cameraman just for a group thats not even that popular :-/

[@haifarahees2760]

Hey moa

[@sakunaz25]

At 8:07 he had mistakenly pronounce dm and he said I'm sorry that I'm too old. So I'm assuming he's not that young?

[@ivoflo]

That honestly makes sense There are also some managers who act like jerks

[@jijmotorp3079]

Can they even afford a manager ?

[@Tt-ji8pm]

@@jijmotorp3079 they only have 2 staff members

[@ligma6930]

I really appreciate the fact that you are bringing awareness to this issue.

[@xiumin6823]

That is why I feel sorry for underrated group under small groups because I know they are more harsher and will exploit their idols just to get money. But not all small companies. If companies value their idols, they will eventually get into the scene of kpop like the other groups who came from small company

[@alexc9278]

yeah exactly. Why would they exploit their idols instead of growing together? respecting the people and working together is the key of succes. Sometimes I believe these so called "CEOs" form companies like this hoping they will make lots of money by using the idols. Disgusting

[@hanbinnie9429]

But "going away" is not that easy. They have to pay a large amount of money to their company:(

[@watchingandmakingwithwolfg7195]

Yup😔

[@winterflower8792]

Really?

[@applebun9232]

@@winterflower8792 yes because usually small companies have invested in their kpop groups and some / most of them even what's the right word, borrow money or some sort just for them to support / debut an actual kpop group. That's why there are cases where most kpop artists haven't received their paychecks yet bc most of those will be allocated to where the company owed their financial resources. Besides, they also have a contract that they signed to begin with and that usually lasts like, 5 to 10 yrs? It depends. Breaking the contract will incur costs for sure.

[@watchingandmakingwithwolfg7195]

@@applebun9232 Pretty much sums up

[@winterflower8792]

@@applebun9232 ok what about stuff like filling law suits and stuff? Those artists lose a lot of money like that too right?

[@user-yj9ke7nb7f]

I know Doah since Produce 48 and she was so pure and innocent, I'm actually sorry about her and other girls in this situations,small companies always lack in professionalism

[@ananyaneralla5382]

Focusing the camera on the legs in a manner that captures up the clothes.....is disgusting. And I highly doubt this issue has been resolved.

[@akwrdlyprrfct8879]

Sika is also more pale. And that hand was quite pale.

[@normalgirlsza]

& their sweater sleeve was shown too

[@light5978]

So ceo is desperately trying to get more fans for his idol? By showing his idol's leg?

[@peachxtaehyung]

Ikr? Like really??

[@light5978]

@@peachxtaehyung well they came from small company. Maybe they really desperate

[@peachxtaehyung]

@@light5978 well they don't need to get known by doing that. That didn't work for stellar and some other groups all it did is traumatize them

[@light5978]

@@peachxtaehyung some stupid people really slow in learning. Just give them more time 😂

[@LM-ix7pk]

I mean, some idols might have sex with their CEOs/managers/producers in order for them to “blow up,” so this really isn’t far-fetched (doesn’t mean it’s ok tho)

[@icebear8769]

Whoever defend and said that the cameramen just wanna show the dog. You’re disgusting.

[@harmonyfuntime1082]

He was being sarcastic since every time the camera man faced the camera down the dog always seemed to be there as if it was a livestream for the dog and not the members

[@icebear8769]

Harmony Funtime yeahh I know it wasn't meant for him. But "if" anyone actually says that then they’re crazy

[@harmonyfuntime1082]

Ice Bear oh I see hehe my bad 😅

[@icebear8769]

Harmony Funtime it’s ok :)

[@lovesosweet4474]

In the second Clip you could see the dog just fine and he still showed her legs so much even cut her head ... Yeah he was being sarcastic but the true intentions here are obvious. Specially after he got mad their legs were covered lol

[@paigelynn3260]

I hope these girls are able to find another path to their dreams

[@pearlvang5689]

That won’t happen which will be sad, because their contract did not end yet or it’s not terminated yet so they have a long way to go

[@sheshe9678]

💔💔💔

[@itsiraa]

I respect your decision. It's sad the girls always suffer one way or another from bad management. They are being used + will loose loyal fans who for good reasons will no longer support their company. Good luck FANATICS. We love you (the girls ofc). Also, do make more videos.

[@shuahae5265]

Actually so disgusting how the camera keeps suddenly goes down just to film their legs for a split second. Like what???

[@beckieshen613]

also, after the first slap you can faintly hear 바보, or kind of like idiot or fool, which could also lead to the person was disciplining, further proving it was a slap not a water bottle.

[@naquiahjusoh8315]

This is sad. Hope that you can do more videos because your voice and editing are good

[@gyu_gyu__]

This is so sad female and male idols deserve to be treated like humans. The fact that idols are scared to speak up is horrible and should be normalized ASAP they deserve the same rights as everyone else just because they are idols don’t mean they are not humans !!!!

[@kenji1053]

They look SO SO SO UNCOMFY when the camera is pointed down so it can show their legs.

[@mmm-fi4kp]

it's really creepy when the camera is re-positioned to show their legs

[@breezek-pop5392]

Sika did a good job as the leader, she tried covering the members like a good leader. If she was the victim, i'm so sad and also mad for her, she's my 2nd bias behind Doah. I hope the girls are OK.

[@Tallefier]

I'm surprised you didn't show the footage shortly after the incident where the girls directly address someone behind the camera as "대표님" as further evidence that the cameraman was the CEO. This presents two possibilities: 1. The cameraman was being called "대표님" and, thus, was the CEO. 2. Someone other than the cameraman was also there and being called "대표님". In case 1, there's only one man. In case 2, there could be 2 men. However, it is highly unlikely that a staff member would be able to get away with that in front of the CEO if the CEO were also present. And, as you said, it is highly unlikely that a male staff would be able to do that without the girls reacting more strongly to it. Also, there doesn't appear to be more than one man talking at any point. Although it is hard to hear distinctive voice markers during the incident as the voice of the man is not very loud as he's calling the other girl an idiot. Ok, technically he doesn't call her an idiot directly. He implies it by asking her "Are you stupid?" with 바보냐? The timing of that is right before the sound that may or may not be a slap. Also, later on the girls are asking if Sika is okay. Whether or not she was slapped isn't 100% for me at this moment. But she was most definitely berated and made to look a fool with his words after she gave them the jacket. This alone might've been enough for the other members to want to know if she's okay. If it was a slap, it just adds to it. But the words alone are already damning. And this isn't even considering the sexual harassment portion of what he said. Also, yeah, the girls directly addresses Yoonhye and Sika in that clip you showed of them picking up folded papers. So for sure that heavily suggests that those two girls were, in fact, Yoonhye and Sika. And given the context of the conversations later on, it is even more evident that Sika is the one who gave the jackets to the girls. Now, I'm not what you would call a "true fan." I saw their debut MV "Sunday" back when it came out, and I enjoyed the song. It went on my playlists. I mentally marked them as a group to keep an eye on for the future, but that's as far as I took it at the time. When "V.A.V.I. Girl" came out, it wasn't enough to pull me any closer. But there were some parts I liked about it. So ya, I probably will move on with my life in a few weeks and not think about it anymore. It's unfortunate, but true. But that doesn't mean I'm hopping on a "bandwagon" because of this issue. My interest in what happened has nothing to do with what I think about the girls. It has everything to do with WHAT happened. So I chose to investigate as much as I could on my own to verify how much of the rumors were true and to ascertain to what extent things happening. I was genuinely curious and concerned for the girls. But, at the end of the day, it doesn't impact my personal life. So I won't be dwelling on it. I wish them success and a resolution to this situation. But, I'm not holding my breath, either. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of girls being mistreated in the KPOP industry every year with promises of debuting or becoming successful by some smaller company with a CEO who just wants to exploit the girls for personal gain. This is the ugly side of KPOP. Things like this help to bring it to light, but it's still a long ways away towards changing for the good. Although I am optimistic that more and more girls are standing up for themselves as more and more popular and successful idols speak out about their history. The even more unfortunate part of this story is that the girls don't have a lot of options if they want to pursue their dreams right now. If they revolt against the company due to the moral injustice and exploitation being done to them, they might end up drifting away into obscurity and never heard from again in KPOP, forced to give up on their dreams. Some of them may end up in another company. It may or may not be a better company. Likely they will go their own separate ways, some choosing to continue their pursuit of becoming an idol, while others might just give up on it. Maybe others will look into another way into entertainment with acting or variety shows. I don't know. But, even if they all stay with this company, they might not recover from this situation. If even "True Fans", such as yourself, are pulling support because of the company, the girls will sink with the ship, too. There's really no win here. Best case for them is probably to put up with it until they get enough popularity on their own to break away from the company and not be bound by their contracts. Maybe the incident will change the way things are handled at the company, If enough people are against it, it might pressure the company to make drastic changes to assuage public opinion. Although the company doesn't seem big enough for that to be plausible. Worst case, the company goes under. Or maybe best case, as that might allow the girls to get their contracts nullified, freeing them for other pursuits. I don't know. It's a tricky situation. I mean, maybe if enough people pull support at the same time, it'll pressure the company to respond favorably and somehow get them to improve things for the future that will satisfy the fans enough to give their support again. But it could also lead to them just shutting down for good and the group disbanding. I didn't realize this was going to turn into an essay, and so for that, I apologize.

[@niakurnia8576]

I really admire that you're willing to write this long to adress the issue Sometimes I also have so much to talk, but I can't put it into short sentences, so I gave up at all

[@rainangel159]

I couldn't agree more with this. Nice essay.👍

[@rapthor666]

@ nope, takes only 3 minutes of your time and it's a really good thing to read. More people should be this good

[@rapthor666]

Couldn't Agree More Except with the apology. The only one that should apologize properly is the CEO/dude behind the scenes

[@Tallefier]

Ya'll actually read my essay and said nice things. I'm flattered.

[@rosepasta2289]

If only I was there, so that I can also slap the one who slapped the female staff member. I've always wanted to test how powerful my slap is since I'm a spiker in volleyball.

[@riri5966]

YES YEET

[@yuki97kira]

Not condoning violence..but they(the slapper) definitely deserve it

[@angelicacortes898]

I heard of Fanatics for the first time due to this scandal, and I feel very sad for them. As a woman myself I've faced harassment, and I've been put in uncomfortable situations. I have the choice to fend for myself, but they don't have it. I really hope the best for them as women and as artists. Also I noticed how they tend to have suspicious wardrobe malfunctions, specially Doi. Most women would fix their skirt when it run up a little high, but she constantly had her skirt up and didn't do anything about it. For example: minute 10:10. It could be her decision, but I sincerely doubt it.

[@hunterjackson2963]

11:20 she knew they gonna reveal her legs so she put her legs together in order to not reveal too much even though that pose is so uncomfortable I never was a fan but this is just so horrible I pray for them to find a new agency which treat them well so their fans got to see them in the true happiness

[@dilaylad1903]

They should find a way out of their contracts, honestly. It will surely be very hard, and we are all aware of the "idol debt", but they deserve a company that will treat them right and there are so many chances for them to find another agency out there! There are many survival shows that could possibly lead to them being able to debut elsewhere. They could try for RBW, CUBE, JYP, or for Big Hit through their mini-companies (Pledis, SourceMusic, etc...), after all they are planning to make a female version of I-Land next year...

[@rileyd2321]

Fent is now actually being bought out by a Chinese company so they will be under new management with new staff ect.

[@lalavo1116]

@@rileyd2321 yess

[@rayafoxr3]

I believe they’re in a new company now, but I don’t know the exact details of this change, so maybe their new company is still somewhat controlled by the old one. I hope they’re okay now. Anyway, thank you non Fanatics fans in the comments for caring about our girls. They are so kind and talented, please stan them. You can learn about them on After School Club and Pops In Seoul, as well as their KZbin channel which have English subtitles on a lot of the videos.

[@rapthor666]

Don't forget, their MVs for Sunday and VAVIgirl!

[@Blap15]

Gosh I can't imagine what happens off screen if on VLIVE AND WHEN ITS LIVE it's like this 😭

[@adel5490]

10:33 10:54 she's really exposed 😭 there is no way these aren't on purpose. even if she's the one who wasn't aware of her "exposing thighs and butt", a decent staff would've remind the artist instead of zooming into the body parts. I really feel bad for the girls 😢😢 I hope they could find another place/ dream/ life/ career.

[@rapthor666]

You know it's unlikely with how kpop contracts work

[@sunnysamaroo7610]

That clip at the end with the member talking about how much of a struggle it's been to pursue her passion... I almost cried. I didn't know about this group until today but it hurts my heart to know that they and so many other groups have to deal with things like these (and even worse) in the pure pursuit of their dreams...

[@sergiocastroleiras5229]

They just were bought by a Chinese company, so they have changed CEO and staff.

[@Christina-uo3xn]

So does it mean when they did that vlive they had a Korean ceo and because this video became really popular on the chinese social media bcuz of the Chinese member, a Chinese company bought it...? If it's really like that, that's really nice.

[@_anj]

really? any source? if this is true, i hope they'll be treated nicely

[@sierrakhor9620]

There is news said it will be acquired by Color Star Technology subsidiary, Color China Entertainment. www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/color-star-technology-enters-into-mou-to-acquire-south-korean-artist-agency-and-live-entertainment-company-301136222.html

[@leehannuel]

oh that's great!

[@alexc9278]

@@Christina-uo3xn do you know something about this company? are they safe there?

[@juamy2313]

If a group isn’t from a large company, it’s most likely they’ll be mistreated in some very disturbing ways which is so sad

[@ryder568]

Those poor girls. Poor Sika.. Its crazy what people will put up with for their dreams. But the reality is.. That this kind of aabuse happens all the time.. Especially the abuse of power and they continuously get away with it. I think it would be a good idea for their fans to just keep trending this video or a hashtag that way whoever the perpetrator was knows that people arent just going to forget about this incident and they will continue to stand behind their group even when the member cant or dont have a voice. That behavior was unacceptable.. And the netizens need to demand justice. Knowing what I know about the entertainment company's even if the members did decide to disband its a good chance their contracts last for 5-6 more years.. And out of spite the CEO may ride that out and terminate.. They would essentially be giving up their dreams.. Thats a hard decision.. I personally will not be giving up on them.. I dont think its fair to give up on the girls because their CEO is a cockbag. If the incidents continue its huge fans like you that usually end up bringing stuff like this to light.. And I'm sure the member cant say thank you but im sure they are seriously glad someone caught that shitheads bad behavior. And it makes more of a difference than you know. Whoever the perpetrator was will think twice about his actions from now on..

[@jaehyun4615]

This is the kinds of issues that must be prioritized. I’m tired seeing “scandals” that ain’t even a scandal, knetz- ugh please.

[@rosepasta2289]

If only the reflection on those picture frames on the wall were so crystal clear we could've seen or gussed who really did slap fudgeee

[@aunrahaomi7340]

I am a YG stan, and never heard of this group. Just now. OMG! I am worried about them. Imagine what they have to go through behind the camera. Thank you for this video. I hope this reach a lot of their fans, and they make noise to let the girls know that there are people who support them, and ask justice for these girls. The sad thing about this is that, they might be thinking that this is their only way to achieve their dream, and just put up with it even if they are hurting. I am really worried and sad.

[@simplysimpy17]

yg are shit lmao, they literary mistreat blackpink all the time, and only care about popularity, don't stan yg, they even fucked up the mixnine show, the winners were left to dust, not to mention the mistreatment of many trainees

[@moagic8497]

@@simplysimpy17 they're shit alright but they do know how to protect their artists when it comes to scandals like this... atleats know how to protect bp-

[@rapthor666]

In the end, you see Doi. It's her third(?) chance to become famous. She really is gorgeous, but shouldn't be a constant focus of pervy ceo/cameradude. As YG fan you should see the world of difference between, say, Somi and Fanatics. Damn, Somi would roundhouse kick his a$$

[@moagic8497]

@@rapthor666 somi would have murdered him-

[@simplysimpy17]

@@moagic8497 no they didn't even protect jennie from all the backlash she had from the "lazy dancing"

[@mlkcat]

NEVER KNEW THAT DOAH IS IN THIS GG. SHE'S ONE OF MY BIASES IN PD48 THOOOOO.

[@OneInchBarrier]

villager Yes! Doah is low key part of the group. She’s also starred in several web dramas. mydramalist.com/people/20555-kim-do-ah

[@mlkcat]

@@OneInchBarrier SHE SHOULD'VE FOCUS ON HER ACTING CAREER. ANYWAYS, YOUR VIDEO IS VERY IMPRESSIVE YOU DESERVE MORE SUBSCRIBERS. :)

[@freyalt]

One Inch Barrier lowkey? shes the center of the group..

[@sanaa2888]

when you hear the slapping sound you also hear someone walking off after that !!

[@rudygey3283]

Girls planet can make our dream come true!

[@starflower..]

doah’s name is pronounced with the first syllable like the sound in “door”

[@marioalmeida6809]

You played Twinkle at the end of this video... that's so significant.. i wanna thank you for that little and precious inclusion. i just found this channel out and as i love nugu groups i will be supporting and following

[@Marrie418]

This so disheartening and am scared for them. No one should be abuse like this and taken advantage like this too. I hope the group find another agency (if that's even possible.) I hope they become known more for their music from now on. I hope they don't get more abuse behind the scenes. P.S Your video editing is amazing absolutely love it. Very professional and your detailed description 👌 fantastic. Thank you for making this video. I never knew who they were and also didn't knew about this incident until I saw a clip on Grazy Grace. Thank you. Old timer K-pop fan here like SuJu old lol.

[@jiminniechimmy9521]

The way he didn't even whisper when he called her stupid shows how he's been treating them badly with no fear of consequences

[@amanrawat6590]

I hope everyone gets a fan like you

[@iceflower9167]

May your channel flourish ✨

[@dippedpeaches6088]

omg i love the way you explain things, I agree with you. 14:34 im actually starting to cry here gl in ur journey

[@kiera9239]

you can tell he isn’t just “adjusting” the camera cuz of how many times he changes the angle. he’s obviously trying to show something. i hate that this incident was just swept under the rug like that,, shit like this is serious. i can’t imagine what happens off camera

[@barbararamosgomes7817]

This is sick, being part of small groups is literally so hard. I feel bad for them but hope they can overcome these issues 😭

[@huvang8329]

Thanks for shedding some light on the situation and trying to protect the girls. Any Fandom would be lucky to have you.

[@Victoria-tp8zy]

I love your voice, it's good to hear and you speak really well and give solid arguments (sorry for my bad english)

[@kimeki95]

4:16 they looked so scared and uncomfortable when told to remove the jacket. Too obvious the people behind the screen want to show their legs

[@HoHorang_VT]

The cameraman is more likely to be their manager rather than the CEO himself, most of the time it's the manager who stays behind the camera so they can make sure the members don't leak anything or saying bad things, I don't think that the CEO would take their time to be a cameraman for a small girl group Just saying.

[@huhuhuhurricanestreamwow7937]

Fanatics is from a little company is much probably that the ceo is the manager and cameraman.

[@milkbread5036]

You’re a detective! Wow you’re the only one who went in depth. I thank you for your hardwork and determination. So awful how these things go behind the scenes...

[@sameerakhan7455]

Omg, ur SUCH a dedicated fan!!! U are a pure detective and a real fan my friend!🙂💖

[@jokerv2792]

i think i saw doah somewhere and there’s a feeling that I really like this girl before and I remembered watching pd48 so she debuted with fanatics. I hope she’s okay with her members. Be happy doah

[@elaineboniel]

I feel sad because they are treated badly😢

[@CompilerTube]

The more you dig, the lower you are. Sad to hear this story from a true fan, I'm sure it breaks your heart. I have also experienced this a few times Inside Kpop and I'm still hurt a bit. You Made the right decision. Thanks for the video, I only hear of this incident from the regular media without all the details.

[@purplepinjacorns7]

Commending your courage for your reasoning of no longer being a fan i can't imagine how heart breaking of a decision this must have been for you and how discouraging making this video must have been. I'm praying for these girls fr

[@wiekaoctia1456]

I've come to see FANATICS because of Doah gp999, this breaks my heart, hope the members leave that company before someone get damage (physically or mentally), this is sad....

[@wyn3214]

The company got bought out and is under new staff + management now :)

[@syrinemaytorres2057]

I was about to stan them because of rayeon (she participated to gp999 and got eliminated so i want to support her group) and i saw this, i really don't know what to say 😫 i felt bad to them omg

[@OneInchBarrier]

Oh absolutely stan them. Rayeon is amazing. They’re under new management so this treatment isn’t happening anymore.

[@imperfect1797]

This was a really well done video and I love that you care so much about the girls. I didn't know much on the situation but now I do so thank you so much for the informative video.

[@aprilm8923]

Thank you for this video !

[@bluehawaii30]

just now I discovered this video but it is by far the best take (video or article) on the subject that I have seen. sucks that, as you said, most don't really care and only jumped in the "hot topic of the moment". it totally happened because almost two months later, no one talks about it anymore. the group Twitter is back posting trivial things again and not a single comment appears there to remember these incidents. or on their vlive recordings. it was reported they are under new ownership, so I hope that CEO is not working with them anymore, at least. also, apparently things are being held more professionally now, with no more blatant exploitation on their videos or photos. but still, as a fan of the group, I took the same decision as you. I stopped supporting them. because I like the girls so much, the disgust with all this incident, the agency "apology", etc made me so angry that I just can't brush it off. if they are not being abused anymore, great, but the group's image to me is already tarnished. I wish they would disband after all that happened and the girls would follow their dreams elsewhere, even if this meant not seeing them again anymore. it's just plain evil how that CEO took exactly Doi, the most vulnerable member since she is the more desperate girl in the group, being older, having the experience of being in a failed group before... and forced her to be his toy, his main "eye candy" to attract viewers, always making her show a lot of skin, on videos and photos. a few days before this incident blew up, when I saw a provocative photo of Yoonhye on Twitter, I thought to myself "okay... wtf is going on now!?". girl was only 18yo ffs. signs were always there, but we, even we fans, overlooked. that was our fault on this. only when this blatant incident happened, we came to our senses. and this just makes me even more sad. I'm pretty sure I'll never be able to look at them performing again and not remember this video.

[@selinag7958]

4:17 I could’ve sworn that I heard the cameraman in the badckground say „are you an idiot?“ in korean before the slap was heard..

[@deIcorazon]

i hope they’re safe 🥺 this is so scary.... they’re all so pretty and talented and they deserve so much better

[@jessicaa2124]

Thank you for adding eng subs!

[@shadowcat9402]

Man, I hope this is not a situation like the east light's one. The kpop industry it's truly scary.

[@kamakshi4392]

Rayeon ,chiayi and doha are on survival show girls planet 999 now

[@mr.alpaca382]

thank you so much for this video, seriously

[@TheMusicBoxMashups]

This showed up in my recommendations. Thank you for the great editing, strong evidence, and overall high quality of the video! Fanatics deserves better, I agree with you. Sexploitation is disgusting and it’s going unchecked.

[@srinblmlmlke]

I like the video but I don’t understand what the point of bringing up “It matters more to me because I’m a true fan” (Idk the exact quote) this is not an issue about your fav being mistreated, this is a human rights issue. I’m pretty sure people were talking about this, people who may not have cared for the group before this controversy, but care about the controversy because it’s so shocking and they want answers and justice for something so disgusting. While there are most likely people “hopping on the hype train” I’m pretty sure most people are talking about it out of care for these girls. It’s kinda fucked up to assume people’s intentions, and to bring in shit about being a “true fan” because that actually has nothing to do with anything.

[@aresty6007]

I think he meant that most (not all) articles, or ppl talking about them, are just "hopping on the hype train" and will stop talking after little time and forget it ever happened even if it's not solved, while the "true fans" that really stan and care for the group will never forget it even if it's not spoken about again.

[@adelled3839]

I totally understand what he meant because true fans actually get hurt more because they know the girls more than non stans. Sika was my bias in the group from beginning and to hear this things happened is really frustrating.

[@leenafeel7628]

i actually understand him. it's true that to other people this issue will just past by in a few weeks or smthn but to true and dedicated fans like him, it will last longer.

[@akwrdlyprrfct8879]

Because it's common for people to talk about issues like this for only the moment of it trending. The second it dies down people stop talking about it. But true fans never stop talking about the issue. And since they are fans, they are still watching and keeping up with the group to notice that the issues never stopped. Just because it's not talked about doesn't mean it stopped.

[@akwrdlyprrfct8879]

Like Stellar. People talked about the accusations that they were being sexually harassed for a month and never brought it back up again till the group disbanded and the some of the members came forward to talk about the discomfort and mistreatment they suffered by the hands of their agency. The situation with the agency stopped for about two months after people stopped talking about it. But than it came back an it was noticeable now that it had been called out. If everyone keeps talking about it and calling attention to it something will happen quicker. But every time something like this happens everyone talks about for a quick minute than eventually it fades away with barely any results. Same with this situation. It was big in the media when it was fresh, but now less and less people are talking about it. But as a fan I'm noticing that it hasn't stopped fully, just less.

[@_HarryM_]

I got confused how many members they are, then I realized Chiayi was not here.

[@happbapp]

I just now discovered this group and wow. I’m looking into what happened but I hope they’re happier now

[@arnisholihah9465]

Great video!!! But most importantly, the message is just awesome!