“Between fighting Maul, Dooku, and Greivous, Kenobi has been trained to fight Anakin Skywalker his whole life.” _Damn..._ mind blown
@randomnumbers78393 жыл бұрын
That's a good way to look at it
@Fifthmiracle3 жыл бұрын
It also didn't hurt that he was the one who trained Anakin in the first place; and that Anakin final move was the same move Obi-wan used on Maul in TPM.
@antoniojones44913 жыл бұрын
Makes perfectly good sense
@Gadget-Walkmen3 жыл бұрын
crazy
@somehistorynerd3 жыл бұрын
*Who are you? Who are you so wise in the ways of writing?*
@thingusbingus81813 жыл бұрын
Think about what happened to them before they died, Maul loses his legs, Dooku loses his hands, and Grievous burns alive. Obi Wan cuts his legs off, cuts his remaining hand off and lets him burn.
@kainezilla36883 жыл бұрын
This solidifies the theory for me.
@plasmaa3523 жыл бұрын
Oof
@bbp29303 жыл бұрын
Damn
@tr0n45563 жыл бұрын
Obi-wan, destroyer of worlds, and Vader maker.
@ur_boyfriend86123 жыл бұрын
@@tr0n4556 all hail space Jesus
@peterbarlow57093 жыл бұрын
Count dooku is easily one of the most under-utilised and underrated villains of the franchise, RIP Christopher Lee
@seanbaby10603 жыл бұрын
I’ve been saying that for years
@diogocruz213 жыл бұрын
Rip to a legend I disagree with you: Count Dooku is overrated. He is not that powerful compared to other sith from the Old Republic. But some fans treat him like he is. He is cool, sofisticated and menacing. They made a good job in the Clone Wars and in the movies. But again, i don't think he is underrated.
@amanimckenzie323 жыл бұрын
@@diogocruz21 The Old Republic sith aren't canon anymore and they're quite op. Most of the Old Republic sith were unbelievably strong that the sith of the prequels and originals were no were near them.
@ForsakenDreamer73 жыл бұрын
@@diogocruz21 There were thousands of Sith during the Old Republic. Only a handful of them were more powerful than Dooku and even fewer were as good as him in lightsaber duels.
@diogocruz213 жыл бұрын
@@amanimckenzie32 unfortunately yes.
@poslednisoud3 жыл бұрын
George Lucas: *creates paralels between three villains to create the ultimate one* Disney: I don't know. Ressurect Palpatine or something.
@skywalker26763 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@alphariusfuze80893 жыл бұрын
*Dew it*
@ltb13453 жыл бұрын
“Have Han Solo’s son wear an outfit that looks very similar to Vader, the toys will sell like crazy!”
@zacharygrosser41153 жыл бұрын
OOOF
@InitialPC3 жыл бұрын
@GOLDBOND vs BALLS In the books palpatine was brought back but it was a contained incident and was not a pivotal event in the EU unlike in the sequels
@chancecole4373 жыл бұрын
I have to say, it’s so refreshing to just listen to a fan who unironically enjoys the prequels. There’s too much negativity out there and it’s fun to just listen to someone enjoy stuff.
@artsman4123 жыл бұрын
Agreed. They're flawed, for sure, and I have my own issues with them, but I do think they're WAY overly hated. Personally, I never had that much of a problem with them.
@danmenard69173 жыл бұрын
@@artsman412 Since the Sequel trilogy came out, people's distaste for the prequels have cooled, it seems. I'd always been a fan of Star Wars my whole life, I love the prequels as much as the original trilogy, hell, I even can see the merits in the sequel trilogy too, but then trying to explain my views just gets me shouted down by everyone. I've given up on trying to help others turn their thinking around regarding the sequels. Its like back in the days when everyone hated the prequels.
@treytonjohnson13 жыл бұрын
People like the prequels now, but holy shit is there so much sequel hate. Every single Star Wars comment section is full of toxicity, even when it’s totally unrelated or uncalled for.
@Erolsaurus3 жыл бұрын
@@treytonjohnson1 Indeed
@danmenard69173 жыл бұрын
@@treytonjohnson1 Agreed. Are they flawed? Sure, but that's because they swapped directors and tone halfway through. Are they bad though? Not really. As I said before, each film has its merits.
@ronanhimelrick84243 жыл бұрын
“It’s like poetry, they rhyme” -George Lucas
@BenJaguar2373 жыл бұрын
"It's Poetry Time George, It's time to make things Rhyme"
@seanmcmullen42743 жыл бұрын
fuck...beat me to it
@blakebrockman21313 жыл бұрын
For george it was... Unfortunately for people like Ryan Johnson, all star wars was, was subverting expectations. 🤦
@MJ-SCUTI3 жыл бұрын
@@seanmcmullen4274 same
@Gadget-Walkmen3 жыл бұрын
that line makes the most sense in context, please watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWi9iGSdqaifoNU
@MandatoryFruit3 жыл бұрын
I love the appreciation for Christopher Lee as Count Dooku in this video. He really isn't given enough credit for making Dooku as badass and elegant as he is. Rest in Peace the absolute legend.
@MandatoryFruit3 жыл бұрын
@GOLDBOND vs BALLS Geez, chill the fuck out bro. Compared to Ian Mcdiarmid, Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson etc. I rarely hear people praise Christopher Lee for his role in the prequels. That doesn't mean he doesn't receive praise. Who put your balls in some vice grips?
@JohnWilliams-wl9px3 жыл бұрын
Heard that apparently Dooku was initially meant to beg for his life but Lee objected too it saying. It didn’t make sense for his character. Which I like since it makes Dooku realized he was nothing but a palm to Palpatine. Where if he was begging not to die comes across as a sore loser
@nathanmartin88753 жыл бұрын
Yes, it does help my ego...
@williamdavies74573 жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryFruit you calm down jeeze
@lewiskazinsky73343 жыл бұрын
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px Lee also replaced Qui-Gon with ‘Peter’ in his script, so that when he rehearsed his lines he could channel the grief he was still feeling from losing Peter Cushing. When he says, “I wish he were still alive. I could use his help right now,” he *meant* it.
@annagomez55303 жыл бұрын
I love how Anakin and Obi-Wan are always connected even in their enemies, including Dooku. Maul despised Obi-Wan as his arch-nemesis, the one who crippled him, just like Vader. Dooku respected Obi-Wan as a true Jedi and worthy opponent, the same way Vader viewed Obi-Wan even with his own hatred of him and only he was allowed to defeat him. Grievous saw Obi-Wan as the grand prize, whose defeat will prove to himself how powerful he really is, just like Vader wanting to finally prove that he is the strongest Force user to ever live.
@Matt_Myers913 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment. ❤
@neilmcdougall49273 жыл бұрын
It's comments like these that help unravel the workings of star wars as George has riddled about it's depth in the past
@nathanmartin88753 жыл бұрын
Connected as in Weequay pirates?
@mineralgrey83322 жыл бұрын
Like I said in the comment above, if things would of taken a different turn. Obi Wan would of surpassed both Yoda and Mace in power and sheer skill. Him and Anakin where the Calvary of the Jedi, they could clear a whole battlefield themselves. Dooku had so much admiration and respect for Obi Wan because Obi Wan was trained by Qui Gon, making Obi Wan some sort of a grandchild to Dooku. Since he’s teaching where passed in to Obi Wan by Qui Gon. Anakin saw Obi Wan as he’s father, brother, he everything. Second only To Padme. Even though Anakin is the chosen one, Obi Wan is the only one to Rival him and be his equal, it’s no wonder Vader sees no one but Obi Wan worthy to be the one to defeat him. The only one to give him the battle he craves. Maul is what Joker is to Batman, Obi Wan humiliated him practically countless times. When it comes to Grevious, it’s like Kakashi Hatake when he died in Naruto Shippuden. Everyone was in shock and almost dropped in dispair when Kakashi was killed by Pain. It was a huge blow to the moral and a huge blow to their hopeful outlook in battle: Kakashi was practically a one man army, to be taken out cause a massive shake in the psychosis not only in the mind of every Leaf Shinobi, but also Lady Stunade and Naruto himself. The same can be said with Grevious wanting Obi Wans head, he knew that killing Obi Wan would be a massive blow to the Jedi, especially to Anakin, hell Anakin would probably succumb to depression if Grevious ever managed to kill Obi Wan, the blow would definately affect all of the Jedi as a whole We forget how pivotal Obi Wan was and is during the clone wars and rise of the sith. Hell even Sidious feared Obi Wan as much as he did with Dooku.
@joseluis50553 жыл бұрын
Darth Maul: A Sith Lord that is full of hatred and has an iconic look Darth Tyranus: A fallen Jedi that fell to the dark side Grievous: Tall, Jedi killing Cyborg Darth Vader: All three
@Megatron_953 жыл бұрын
And what all three prequel characters and Darth Vader have I common? They're all badasses
@rundownpear26013 жыл бұрын
He also got Grevious’s asthma
@joseluis50553 жыл бұрын
@@rundownpear2601 lol I should've added that
@ArjanSangraa3 жыл бұрын
Full fat video revision note right here
@nabongobong91553 жыл бұрын
Kylo: basically the weenie hut jr version lol
@Megatron_953 жыл бұрын
Oh Dooku, George Lucas definitely didn't use you enough in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith
@Megatron_953 жыл бұрын
@Tom Ffrench good point. But I still prefer him over Maul.
@sharpspoon73713 жыл бұрын
Can we just set for the record how unnecessary Episode 1 was outside of Maul?
@finrodbrs3 жыл бұрын
Fortunately, Clone Wars did.
@user-xx6vy9ri8p3 жыл бұрын
Watch deleted scenes, they are quite interesting.
@richardbean17073 жыл бұрын
@@sharpspoon7371 Eh, I appreciated Qui Gon too lol
@dylanlewis51133 жыл бұрын
I like to think Grievous's backstory change isn't a retcon. During his reconstruction, his memories where altered to make him think he chose to willingly become a cyborg.
@Scary_Snail1293 жыл бұрын
Ooo I like that. That saves his canon story.
@pricex33 жыл бұрын
idk i dont remember honestly
@tracytron71622 жыл бұрын
For me personally I think he grew to appreciate the changes and became somewhat obsessed with upgrading himself, as well as somewhat gaslighting himself into thinking it was his idea as a way of perhaps retaining some pride
@yeolelad8882 жыл бұрын
@@tracytron7162 I prefer this idea more then “Oh he got brainwashed”
@heyheyitsjae24752 жыл бұрын
I'd love it was something like the crash ended up turning him into a 60% machine by necessity, but as time went on he added an extra 20-30% by choice 'cause he liked the first upgrade so much
@k.edfrothy87453 жыл бұрын
Something he didn’t mention, but has always stuck out to me, is the fact that Dooku didn’t reveal Palpatine’s secret despite the fact that he knew he was about die.
@FullFatVideos3 жыл бұрын
Was he too honourable - or too scared?
@sks.562 жыл бұрын
@@FullFatVideos there is a theory that sidious was keeping dooku's mouth shut with the force before he was decapitated
@astra83082 жыл бұрын
@@sks.56 I believe the canon explanation is that Dooku thought it was all part of the plan up until he got his head cut off
@Cryptokeeper04212 жыл бұрын
Nah he was originally supposed to, but they edited it out
@tweso14992 жыл бұрын
“Dooku, cringing, shrinking with dread, still finds some hope in his heart that he is wrong, that Palpatine has not betrayed him, that this has all been proceeding according to plan- Until he hears “Good, Anakin! Good! I knew you could do it!” and registers this is Palpatine’s voice and feels within the darkest depths of all he is the approach of the words that are to come next. “Kill him,” Palpatine says. “Kill him now.” In Skywalker’s eyes he sees only flames. “Chancellor, please!” he gasps, desperate and helpless, his aristocratic demeanor invisible, his courage only a bitter memory. He is reduced to begging for his life, as so many of his victims have. “Please, you promised me immunity! We had a deal! Help me!” And his begging gains him a share of mercy equal to that which he has dispensed. “A deal only if you released me,” Palpatine replies, cold as intergalactic space. “Not if you used me as bait to kill my friends.” And he knows, then, that all has indeed been going according to plan. Sidious’s plan, not his own. This had been a Jedi trap indeed, but Jedi were not the quarry. They were the bait.” - The Dark Lord Trilogy: Star Wars Legends: Labyrinth of Evil Revenge of the Sith Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader (Star Wars - Legends) by James Luceno, Matthew Stover a.co/h6zHlZK
@vortexflash49443 жыл бұрын
“A milk machine like General Kenobi.” Never heard this description before, but it is SOO accurate. 😂😂
@projectbighead12783 жыл бұрын
I would let general kenobi milk me
@chancebrown1063 жыл бұрын
I had to play it back!
@themaccave083 жыл бұрын
Funny how Darth Maul, General Grievous and Darth Vader wanted revenge against them and Vader beat the other two to killing him. Though inadvertently connecting him to the force.
@danmenard69173 жыл бұрын
@@themaccave08 Granted, Obi-Wan LET Vader kill him deliberately. Obi-Wan could theoretically still kick Vader's ass any time he wanted to as a Force Ghost and Vader'd not be able to do anything about it.
@themaccave083 жыл бұрын
@@danmenard6917 not unless I die.
@elijahshells3 жыл бұрын
"If Dooku marks the start of a chain of disillusionment with the Jedi way of thinking, Qui-Gon continues it, and Anakin is the decided endgame to that cycle. Qui-Gon DIES for it, Anakin KILLS for it. The circle is now complete." To think that this was all planned from the beginning.
@artsman4123 жыл бұрын
Wow, planning out your stories. What a novel concept, eh Disney?
@Avenger854383 жыл бұрын
Qui-Gon may have preferred gut instinct over careful planning, but I wouldn't say he was disillusioned with the Jedi. He still respected the Order, it's tenants, and was respected in turn. He just had a different view. Anakin's desire for more power/control and to be exceptional made him chaff against the humility Jedi code asked of him. Leading to him butting heads with some of the more tempered Jedi, and seeking out Palpatine to endorse his actions.
@Alexcoman513 жыл бұрын
It’s like poetry
@Curseco3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't planned you stupid, son of a-
@mediumvillain3 жыл бұрын
Those kinds of specifics werent planned, just the broad strokes of the saga
@B---tw3kh3 жыл бұрын
These villains also represent what made Vader behind the scenes. Maul is played by martial artist Ray Park, an almost entirely physical portrayal that was later overdubbed. Maul wouldn't be anything like himself without the contributions of Park, who with little dialogue had to create a complete character that walks and moves and acts like the ultimate badass, just like David Prowse. Dooku is played by the well spoken veteran actor Sir Christopher Lee. Due to Lee's age, Dooku is a very vocal character, he is reserved, calm and often speaking during his fight sequences. His stature is almost completely verbal instead of relying physicality, just like James Earl Jones contributions to the character of Darth Vader. Then you have Grevious, the completely artificial, CGI character. Grievous is the least human of them all, his body being artificial in the world of the film as well as the real world. He is the suit that defines Vaders look, but he's also the final contribution to the character, Ben Burtt. Burtt used technology to give us Vaders most iconic sound, using a scuba mask and a tape machine to produce the sound of Vaders breathing
@josephpenarrieta96193 жыл бұрын
This comment deserves to be on top
@Dave_Chrome3 жыл бұрын
This is genius
@RenegadeShepard693 жыл бұрын
fantastically put.
@justin1885413 жыл бұрын
Well said, sir.
@jonreylen31662 жыл бұрын
Quoting another legendary character, you're god**** right.
@Avenger854383 жыл бұрын
Maul: Dark Enforcer. Dooku: Fallen Jedi. Grievous: Cyborg Warrior. Darth Vader, all of the above.
@emperorvader30223 жыл бұрын
True
@mikeor-3 жыл бұрын
Sidious: Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus, Darth Vader. Each useful in his own way. Each easy to dispose of once their purpose had reached their end. Luke: The title seems to have expired with my father. I am proud that it was my family that finally put an end to it.
@MeloeTheLavendeer2 жыл бұрын
did you forget about asthma attacks?
@Avenger854382 жыл бұрын
@@MeloeTheLavendeer Well, it wasn't really asthma so much as his lungs were burned with smoke inhalation. As for Grievous, well I guess his ripperdock may have slipped and knicked something during his cyberization.
@MeloeTheLavendeer2 жыл бұрын
@@Avenger85438 thanks i didnt know that (:
@WTZWBlaze3 жыл бұрын
“In a manner of speaking?” More like “from a certain point of view.”
@bigshow7713 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! Such a missed opportunity.
@alexbg96583 жыл бұрын
I just commented the exact same thing 😂 glad it wasn't just me.
@bigshow7713 жыл бұрын
@@alexbg9658 I started to throw in a "So uncivilized.", but managed to resist .
@td6443 жыл бұрын
I was about to comment the same thing when I saw this.
@smokeydabear45253 жыл бұрын
You are correct, from a certain point of view.
@seamuswalker68793 жыл бұрын
Me; doing homework Full Fat videos; the three faces of Darth Vader Me; the negotiations were short
@SupremeLeaderOfTheBluepremacy3 жыл бұрын
The homework: YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!
@nabongobong91553 жыл бұрын
Cant believe the prequel memes are still relevant lol
@wingedbluj16743 жыл бұрын
@@nabongobong9155 a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
@eightnickel15133 жыл бұрын
23 minutes are short?
@gizzywoo27093 жыл бұрын
@@eightnickel1513 he said negotiations not the video
@jacobstanchfield84523 жыл бұрын
As an avid Grevious fan, I wish he was represented as a more powerful, intelligent, and skilled fighter and tactician. However the Grevious we got, while not my favorite, plays his role extremely well. I love the 4 armed insecty Bastard.
@MeloeTheLavendeer2 жыл бұрын
Hello there
@bauschaum21582 жыл бұрын
He was that in 2D Vintage Star Wars the Clone Wars
@thehiders56722 жыл бұрын
you will really enjoy the clone wars, they show him a lot more in the series than the movie
@thehiders56722 жыл бұрын
@@MeloeTheLavendeer General Kenobi
@kingofpasta40192 жыл бұрын
I agree just like how he was in the 2003 clone wars
@dillonbeaudette55673 жыл бұрын
Palpatine Betrayed all of his Apprentices until Vader poetically betrayed him. “It rhymes” - George Lucas
@MeloeTheLavendeer2 жыл бұрын
yeah just like pineapple and my dog archy rhyme
@EricGraham943 жыл бұрын
I’ve believed this for as long as I can remember, which is why I’ve never hated the prequel trilogy like a lotta OG Star Wars fans have proclaimed for years. Anakin Skywalker is fundamentally a good man: intelligent, idealistic, loyal, compassionate and loving. When all of that is twisted by the dark side, you get a hateful, powerful, disillusioned force of nature.
@Avenger854383 жыл бұрын
That's always been his tragedy since the reveal in Empire. He was a good man who turned bad and gave into his worst self.
@VNM-Venom2523 жыл бұрын
Even then Anakin was still pretty flawed. Arrogant, entitled, and really needed to learn how to let go. I’m not saying he was some kind of monster before his fall but the cracks were always there.
@EricGraham943 жыл бұрын
@@VNM-Venom252 To be fair, the Jedi Council have done NOTHING but throw shade at him and make it clear Anakin had no place among the Order because of how HUMAN he was. That's why the Jedi disliked him: he was human. Even before his fall, when Anakin said goodbye to Obi-Wan before he left to find Grievous on Utapau, you can tell Anakin owned up to how much of an asshole he was.
@Erolsaurus3 жыл бұрын
BOINK! Imma force of nature. BONK! If you were from where I was from, you'd be f*cking dead.
@ltb13453 жыл бұрын
@@EricGraham94 The Prequel era Jedi Council needed Revan.🙏
@castellanofgundabad53 жыл бұрын
The four horsemen: War: Tyranus, responsible for orchestrating Sidious' planned war against the republic. Famine: Maul, helping keep up the blockade of ships around Naboo, preventing the trade of food and other amenities. Pestilence: Grievous, a coughing, wheezing, hunched creature who requires medical technology to survive. Death: Vader, the ghost of Anakin Skywalker. Lucifer: Sidious, the master of evil.
@hyperion31453 жыл бұрын
It should be noted that Satan is not the master of evil, he's just someone who does evil. In the original texts he was even a subject of God to challenge people's faith. If anything, this sounds more like Vader with Sidious being the evil inclination itself. Lucifer was also just a Roman god.
@artsman4123 жыл бұрын
@@hyperion3145 Actually I heard the name Lucifer came from a name for Venus, which was referred to as the Morning Star in the book of Isaiah. Basically it was using astronomical jargon to describe Satan as something divine.
@facade20273 жыл бұрын
Castellan of Gundabad i disagree. Lucifer was once an angel. Sidious is death and anakin is lucifer
@Farb_dk3 жыл бұрын
I think grievous is more of famine. A skeletal figurem that brings misery to where he goes. Maul is more pestilence tho. He not only is a spice paddler, but he himself is so plagued with vengeance he self harms to get KENOBIIIIIIIIII
@crazercrazer3 жыл бұрын
@@hyperion3145 Ironic given your name. Lucifer is the name given to Adam/Eve and their divine child... What Christians call "The Holy trinity". Sidious is the devil. Anakin is Adam/Odin/Zeus/SATURN 👀🤣.
@TheMan-vn3tp3 жыл бұрын
one connection you missed between grievous and vader was how the loss of his wife motivates just about everything he does.
@Scary_Snail1293 жыл бұрын
yeah
@barnousauresrex2662 Жыл бұрын
Oh I forgot about that
@Chosen_one_5013 жыл бұрын
I never really thought about the villains from this perspective. It's actually a very interesting point of view in my opinion and just goes to show the genius behind the trilogy.
@FullFatVideos3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ani!
@brucewayne16623 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the six episodes are supposed to be one big cohesive story, not just two trilogies. Having one main Darth Vader surrogate in the prequels would have seemed too disjointed. With three sub villains in the prequels, Lucas made Palpatine the main villain of the saga.
@plasmaa3523 жыл бұрын
General I have seppie droid positions on naboo
@Chosen_one_5013 жыл бұрын
Well shit, Rex. Looks like we're gonna have to mobilize. Get snips, we're leaving for Naboo.
@kylemiller51482 жыл бұрын
The line that Maul has in Star Wars Rebels which is "to defeat your enemy you must know your enemy " is literally how Obi Wan was able to stand up to Vader and survive, he knew Anakin since Anakin was just a youngling so that gives him more than enough time to know his tendencies,his tricks,his power and his weaknesses at the time of their incredible battle
@sjeason3 жыл бұрын
I think grevious has more of a connection to Vader then just being a machine. In his backstory, he was a great general and war hero of the Kaleesh people that lead their armies through what seemed like impossible victories. It was thought he had the favor of the gods, like how anakin was the chosen one. Grevious had a lover who was killed in war which he spent the rest of his time grieving, not unlike Vader and padme. And when everything was taken away from him, he was convinced by dooku that it was entirely the Jedi’s fault even though the whole thing was dooku’s plan, which mirrors palpatine getting Vader to blame all his suffering on the Jedi despite it all truly being Palpatines fault.
@trevturp68912 жыл бұрын
Part of Grevious's tragic backstory is the Jedi's fault.
@Yukzula2 жыл бұрын
@@trevturp6891 the same could be said for anakin
@trevturp68912 жыл бұрын
@@Yukzula I know
@nont184112 жыл бұрын
@@trevturp6891 so that came the name “Grievous”
@stevenirizarry13043 жыл бұрын
The contradictions actually enhance the connections Grievous: willing becomes a cyborg to parallel anakin’s lack of agency in that decision Maul: the lack of sympathetic traits to anakin’s Dooku: privilege to anakin’s lack of privilege
@themalcahtwinz47433 жыл бұрын
Nah, he only willingly becomes a cyborg to survive
@stevenirizarry13043 жыл бұрын
@@themalcahtwinz4743 Anakin didn't want to be injured and never consented to being turned cybornetic.
@muchanadziko63783 жыл бұрын
grevious didn't want to be turned into a cyborg. He was injured and saved just like Anakin
@svantejonsborg84023 жыл бұрын
@@muchanadziko6378 well he enhanced himself to become even more cyborg through his own will so… sort of yes
@muchanadziko63783 жыл бұрын
@@svantejonsborg8402 yeah, but when he already was one Like, "what do I have to lose"
@StupidWeb3 жыл бұрын
The novelization for episode 3 has some incredibly insightful moments. When it comes to the high ground, when Obi-Wan said "it's over," Anakin thought about all the times he'd heard the story of Obi-Wan defeating Maul, despite the high ground, and Obi-Wan recognised it. That's why he said "don't try it," And also when it comes to Dooku vs Skywalker round 2, in the book, Palpatine told Dooku to toy with Anakin, to see if he would even be worthy to take on as an apprentice
@thewarner21393 жыл бұрын
Novelization is no longer canon. The current lore still has Anakin attempting to defeat Obi-Wan the same way the latter bested Maul, but Kenobi had it well scouted. Now, Dooku was not instructed to hold back against Anakin. He was legitimately defeated when Anakin tapped into the dark side.
@StupidWeb3 жыл бұрын
@@thewarner2139 ok that's fair. I wasn't fully sure about that, but I still think it's possible that certain aspects of it could be canon. After all, most legends have some truth in them
@GabyGeorge19963 жыл бұрын
@@StupidWeb I believe that, so long as it doesn’t contradict anything in canon, it’s still applicable
@StupidWeb3 жыл бұрын
@@GabyGeorge1996 exactly
@MeloeTheLavendeer2 жыл бұрын
or it was just obiwan being tactical mlg god 1 million and doing the classic hegity weg you have no mor leg
@jonathanskinner76473 жыл бұрын
You complain about grievous not being that intimidating, but if his legends/ 2D counterpart showed up, then no one would have made it out of the ship in episode 3 alive
@Erolsaurus3 жыл бұрын
He should've been that in the prequels. Hope to see a future book, series or film that makes Grievious his legends self.
@lucianobattistoniromero46183 жыл бұрын
@@Erolsaurus well we never saw Grievous kidnapping Palpatine in canon so you could have a headcanon that most of what happens in clone wars 2003 actually happened
@bengi89073 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@coolgreenbug75513 жыл бұрын
You could have it go both ways, where he is a force to be reckoned with, but if you can actually stand up to him he starts to show his cowardice.
@user-xx6vy9ri8p3 жыл бұрын
@@lucianobattistoniromero4618 But it was at the end of the war, when his chest was crashed, while the whole 2008 series he is coughing.
@andreykuzmin43553 жыл бұрын
Grievous represents fear, as deep behind his armoried exterior, battle prowess and bravado he is a coward. Maul represents unthinking, blind hatred, that hampers him down. Dooku representing suffering, as he both willing so sacrifice his life (and lives of others) and reputation for his cause, which he ultimately does. The order is wrong, but stages are the same: Fear, Hatred, Suffering.
@@ForsakenDreamer7 of course. No relation to my baby Kaleesh Jedi-killing demigod warlord)
@ltb13453 жыл бұрын
@@andreykuzmin4355 Grievous was seriously waaaay too OP in the 2003 Clone Wars. He was literally like the main villain of an anime. He had to be nerfed, otherwise he would’ve absolutely destroyed Obi-Wan.
@andreykuzmin43553 жыл бұрын
@@ltb1345 You should read Stackpole's novelization of the III episode. Some epithets Grievous gets in it are awesome, like "Architect of atrocities" or "Durasteel hand (on the Republic's throat)". He had to be nerfed somewhat, but what we gon in Canon continuity is basically a different character. He was deified as Kaleesh god of war for a very good reason. Obi-Wan won only thanks to copious amount of plot armor and defensive Soresu form, plus mental clarity.
@ExecutiveSonda3 жыл бұрын
How exactly is Grievous a coward? He does retreat if Jedi use force against him because it means game over for him, but that is not cowardly.
@Claego3 жыл бұрын
Phrasing things this way sort of illuminates something George was trying to say with the prequels. I can see the whole picture now. He meant for the main antagonists of the first 3 episodes to both mirror aspects of Vader but ALSO, and more importantly, he showed Sidious building his plan...picking attributes he wants in a subordinate; Mauls obedience, Dooku's commanding presence, and Grevious' broken mind and body. Sidious' plan worked. He acquired his perfect puppet soldier at the end of Revenge. Brilliant.
@skywalker26763 жыл бұрын
And these ot fanboys had the nerve to trash George smh 🤦🏽♂️
@josephpenarrieta96193 жыл бұрын
@@skywalker2676 I don't like sand
@DerAykac3 жыл бұрын
@@josephpenarrieta9619 Me neither, it just gets everywhere!
@DemonKing-oi4jd3 жыл бұрын
It's funny in retrospect that people can piece together a singular argument from each character to form a grand scheme of the creation of Vader, who was already introduced in episodes 4-6...
@karanhdream2 жыл бұрын
I loved Maul's last words and the irony in them. Luke's motivation was never revenge but saving his father. The last one Sidious desired as an apprentice was such a polar opposite to Maul, Dooku and Grievous. He chose to become a Jedi as a young man rather than being taken as a child. He experience loss and pain yet never surrender his moral compass. He looses a limb but never his humanity. The Star Wars universe puts a great emphasis on the notions of both fate and choice. When faced with the same trials as Maul, Dooku and Grievous, Luke makes a different choice even though the parallel style of storytelling would have him only walk the same path, like a cursed fate. Yet even when walking a similar path, he made different choices because there is always a choice. When faced with the same choices as the others before, he made a Bilbo Baggins of himself and chose compassion, courage and mercy. Something Sidious could never understand. The ultimate difference is Luke found something more precious to him than anything Sidious could ever offer. He knew that power cannot give you everything and what he wanted, no amount of power could give him: to save his father. Only love and forgiveness could grant his wish.
@phyllip5382 Жыл бұрын
this is why luke is a farmer at his heart, not a jedi; it aint much but it’s honest work
@patrickl6713 жыл бұрын
Incorrect. The only 3 faces of Vader are Jake Lloyd Hayden Christensen and a black mask.
@RbkARI3 жыл бұрын
Sebastian Shaw?
@briansilva33443 жыл бұрын
@@RbkARI The Winter Solider should play him in the next prequel appearance.
@darthtroller3 жыл бұрын
@@briansilva3344 Sebastian Stan is a Mark Hamill clone
@laser83893 жыл бұрын
I don't think Jake Lloyd counts; he was only ever Anakin. Hayden Christensen was Anakin when he turned, the black mask was Vader when he returned. Where is the third face? . . . . . . . . Melted on a hillside on Mustafar. I was going to say Sebastian Shaw, but by the time he took the helmet off, it wasn't Vader anymore.
@thedumbestyoutubechannel56873 жыл бұрын
I love the argument of the people in these replies.
@mljesus77433 жыл бұрын
Who would have thought that after the stigma of ‘just being cash-grabs’ the prequels true thematic deepness and epic genius starts to be realised. I know the other SW content undoubtedly expanded on that genius but the groundwork was set down by Lucas. Fantastic video Full-Fat, looking forward to more.
@emblemblade92452 жыл бұрын
They still have a kind of awkward execution in the movies at times but the backstories and thematic appeal provide so many hours of intrigue and entertainment and I’m really glad they exist.
@nathancreech563 жыл бұрын
It’s also really interesting how Maul, Dooku, and Grevious’ injuries parallel those that Anakin suffered. Maul lost his legs, Dooku his hands, and Grevious was set ablaze. In the end, Anakin had no natural limbs and was burned beyond belief. I don’t know if this was intentional or not but it’s certainly interesting to think about
@julius-stark3 жыл бұрын
There's a scene in the Vader comics where Boba Fett tells Vader the name of the rebel pilot who blew up the Death Star, and Vader figures out who Luke's mother is, and calls up the Emperor who is like "wow I can feel your anger all the way across the galaxy, what's up?"
@legoverse14123 жыл бұрын
Something to mention about Grevious: the lightsabers and fighting style is meant to create intimidation and fear to negate a Jedi’s ability to focus on the Force. Obi-Wan was able to defeat him because he didn’t fear Grevious, he knew what he was. Vader certainly knows something about intimidation
@coolgreenbug755111 күн бұрын
Grevious is the most intimidating, but he's just a cat making himself look bigger than he is Vader then goes on to be 10 times more frightening, and is able to deliver every part of it
@lexerwilliams88803 жыл бұрын
Man, I keep getting depressed when watching Star Wars. Anakin has such a sad story. He lost everything because he wanted to save everything.
@Aeluron2 жыл бұрын
True but sometimes even we unintentionally cause our own pain.
@hunterkiller14403 жыл бұрын
The prequel expanded lore is unrivaled and unparalleled genius. The prequel movies were meh. Thank the Force there are good writers who love Star Wars.
@IvoryTowerPodcast3 жыл бұрын
@hunterkiller1440 Well, if you have seen the Sequels. You know how far those have fallen. And.......... you know the rest..........
@tvman2503 жыл бұрын
“Meh” So it’s treason then?
@coachgoltzbizpro233 жыл бұрын
Thank the Force Clone Wars existed to resurrect it's potential...
@supergamerboy78993 жыл бұрын
Revenge of the sith is amazing
@tvman2503 жыл бұрын
@TheSovietOnion l I don’t know, you’ll have to give an example. I feel the dialogue has done its part and generated a fair amount of meme material. In my eyes the dialogue is practically the sacred text itself.
@caedengoering3 жыл бұрын
What’s an additionally intestinal parallel is that Dooku makes both Anakin and Grevious robotic. Then Obi-Wan de-limbs both of them as they combust in fire. Very subtle, maybe even unintentional parallel. But very cool. Great video!
@darthcjvader1003 жыл бұрын
In canon, Grievous' hate for the jedi is parallel to Anakin's hate for Tuskin Raiders. Both killed people who meant a lot to them (Anakin's mom and Grievous' friends and family). Grievous' hate for the Huk (opposing species that has tormented his people) is also parallel to Anakin. Anakin wanted to save Padme and Grievous only wanted to save his people. In canon, Grievous also chose the cybernetics because he saw the remaining parts of his body useless.
@xero10483 жыл бұрын
I literally never realised how each of the villains represents a part of Vader. I’m gonna enjoy the prequels far more now
@commandercaptain46643 жыл бұрын
Maul: *spirit* Dooku: *mind* Grievous: *body* Been knowing this since 2005.
@evancreagh46633 жыл бұрын
I swear this man uses Duel of The Fates whenever he can
@WestonMedvetz3 жыл бұрын
It's a good song
@striker54393 жыл бұрын
as he should
@Gadget-Walkmen3 жыл бұрын
as he should because it's epic!
@SuperSaiyanD483 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't you?
@evancreagh46633 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSaiyanD48 fair enough
@tedsowards3 жыл бұрын
The prequels are more genius than I give them credit for. I think they definitely will last the test of time more than the Disney sequels.
@vashythewabbit82883 жыл бұрын
The problem was the execution, aged CGI, and the bad dialogue. There was so many great things that could be seen in the story from the symbolisms and very subtle foreshadowing.
@coolgreenbug75513 жыл бұрын
@@vashythewabbit8288 While the Sequels are the inverse of this. Everyone on those movies were bringing there A game, except for the script department which for Star Wars was the most important part to nail
@skywalker26763 жыл бұрын
@@vashythewabbit8288 bad dialogue was in every trilogy tho lol 😂 some of that shit in the OT is cringe asf 😭😭🤣but yea George dialogue is awful
@ltb13453 жыл бұрын
@@vashythewabbit8288 The dialogue really wasn’t that bad, especially when compared to that of the “Sequels”. Practical effects also don’t look as life-like as people say they do anymore, especially people wearing alien costumes (see the aliens in the “Sequels”).
@firetarrasque46673 жыл бұрын
@@coolgreenbug7551 Except arguably The Last Jedi, which suffered from this weird problem where the director was able to thematically tap into Star Wars really well, but wasn't able to write the Star Wars Galaxy as a universe, and also had a weak as fuck premise to work off of. Characters tend to lack continuity between it and the previous films, established rules in the universe are broken in frustrating ways, and established pieces of lore are disregarded in favor of clumsier solutions, but at its core, it thematically continues the track that the Prequels and Original Trilogy made. The OT established the Jedi as an unquestioned good, and the Empire as a villain who just needed to be shot to death, the Prequels (tried to) questioned that narrative and disillusioned us with the Jedi Order. Rey, in TLJ, represents the OS, while Luke represents the Prequels, and at the core that's a really compelling conflict that ends in a realization which builds into something great for the conclusion of the series, but then Ryan forgot what universe he was writing for and got distracted with unnecessary side-plots.
@vashythewabbit82883 жыл бұрын
I like your take on all 3 "proto Vaders" for Obi Wan. Obi Wan was being prepared to face Darth Vader his whole life by facing these "faces", he just didn't know it.
@Jessie_Helms3 жыл бұрын
It’s because Kenobi is a defensive master, but Dooku’s style is perfectly tailored to counter that.
@mckayhatch67233 жыл бұрын
I never thought of it like this. But it makes sense. They reflect Anakin's gradual fall and progression to the dark side. Great video man. Keep em coming.
@corruptangel67933 жыл бұрын
There is nothing cowardly about Greivious in ROTS, I don't know where you got that idea from. Escaping a hopeless situation does not make one a coward. Especially since his first escape very nearly kills Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Palpatine himself.
@GreaseGrab3 жыл бұрын
It sucks how much Grievous’s character gets treated in canon. I’m not saying I wanna op 2003 version I just want a competent intimidating badass who can kill Jedi.
@bluprint273 жыл бұрын
We need a Grievous movie
@CT--my4lf3 жыл бұрын
@Mackenzie Bauroth: It should start on Ka'lee, with him being shown as the incredible sniper and great leader his people saw him as. They see him as a demigod, catering to his every whim. Eventually, he would have a dream of a warrior slaying a great beast. He would go to kill it, only to find the warrior from his dream is not him, but a female warrior. The two would slay the beast, and then become lovers. He would eventually go to war with the Huk, as they have desecrated ancient Ka'leesh burial grounds. In time, his lover would suffer a horrific death at the hands of the Huk, causing him to change his name to "Grievous", as it is the only way to express his pain. Afterwards, he would lead a major offense against his enemy, who in their cowardice, run to the Republic and the Jedi. The Republic forces the Ka'leesh back to their home planet, and blockades it, causing mass starvation of innocent Ka'leesh people. Grievous would attempt to have the blockade removed, but to no avail. Eventually, the Huk would once again destroy Ka'leesh burial grounds. Grievous, with the approval of the tribes elders and many of his best warriors, would set out in a rickety rustbucket ship to cease their assault. The ship would unfortunately be sabotaged by a traitor hired by Dooku, causing to explode over the ocean. Dooku would then arrive in the night in a risky bid to capture Grievous' body. Grievous would be held in a bacta tank by Dooku, with the Count giving him a choice: Die dishonorable in a bacta tank and his people will die, or become a cyborg and Dooku's right-hand man, with the blockade being removed, allowing Grievous' people to thrive once again. Grievous would obviously choose the latter. The movie would then move to a live-action, more grounded Battle of Hypori, with Grievous slaughtering clones and his forces closing in. He would then fight three jedi at once, killing them all. Afterwards, he would be approached by Dooku who would scold him and tell him to be less destructive, for Palpatines plan is not yet ready. Grievous would begrudgingly comply. The film would then have Grievous' own voice monologuing over his parts in Episode 3, and only finishes at his own death. The film would then show a small, dark control room dimly lit by glowing green screens. It would then follow a large, cloaked figure arising and walking down many pitch-black halls It stops at a massive room lit by hundreds of bacta tanks, each with an abominable double of Grievous inside. Stolen organs, cybernetics, and control chips make up the "clones", each one requiring manual control from the general himself through a computer. The real Grievous would then exit his base, revealing his new and improved droid army. The time has come for the Ka'leesh to rise. Dooku and Palpatine wanted a monster, and the entire galaxy was given one.
@ltb13453 жыл бұрын
@@GreaseGrab Agreed. 2003 version was ridiculously OP, but I don’t like how he was characterized in The Clone Wars 2008.
@d3hybrid7133 жыл бұрын
Im not a huge fan of the series but im a huge fan of greivous and would have to agree
@readwrecks3 жыл бұрын
“In a manner of speaking?!” Don’t you mean “from a certain point of view?”
@Dagenspear3 жыл бұрын
Aw man! I posted that! God is funny!
@kordellcabe63 жыл бұрын
When people say the prequels suck...show them this...no bad movie is this deep
@bayholeman99523 жыл бұрын
Truuuuu if they were that bad no one would still be talking about them they’d just be largely forgotten
@kordellcabe63 жыл бұрын
@@bayholeman9952 kinda the way the sequels are...too soon? Well I forget about them constantly.
@casecao84123 жыл бұрын
@@kordellcabe6 Considering how many comments I see trashing the sequels at every given moment, I'd say they're still fresh in people's minds...
@phineaskelly61713 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, Obi-Wan had the low ground.
@Erolsaurus3 жыл бұрын
So 32 BBY?
@jaypaul78963 жыл бұрын
I've been looking forward to this
@seamuswalker68793 жыл бұрын
Surely you can do better
@seanthesheep38713 жыл бұрын
Twice the pride double The Fall
@jasoncp32573 жыл бұрын
Its Broken
@rundownpear26013 жыл бұрын
When you’ve been looking forward to this
@aec1111003 жыл бұрын
Get help your no match for him he’s a Sith Lord
@TheRoguePrince03 жыл бұрын
3 faces of vader The man: dooku The machine: grievous The monster: maul
@beanbag84493 жыл бұрын
I like to think there are two parts to Anakin's character: the slave and the hero. He starts out a slave then, thinking he earned his freedom, becomes a slave to the jedi order. He then helps destroy the jedi only to become a slave to Sidious. As the hero, the first time we see him he is defending jar jar. Then saves the naboo fighters by taking out the droid control ship. Throughout Anakin's time as a jedi he is constantly trying to save people, always willing to put himself in harm's way to do it. He only turned to the dark side because Sideous manipulated his desire to save Padme. In the end, he finally gets to overthrow his master (literally) and enjoy a moment of freedom to see his son before the end. This does also explain why he is so frustrated with not being given the rank of master. It would, in his mind, be the end to his servitude. He'd finally be able to act freely, he would have no master. And since he was given a seat (by sideous) but not the rank of master, dispite not seeing any reason why he shouldn't be, he remained a slave. Of course this wouldn't have freed him from the dogma of the jedi but this is how Anakin would have seen it.
@trumpcicle3 жыл бұрын
For me the thumbnail speaks volumes The 3 faces of Vader: Maul: Anakin rage and frustration Dooku: His pride, Overconfidence and narcissism Then Grievous: He obsessive nature and possibly even a hint of cowardice
@cristiansaucedo47073 жыл бұрын
Not much of a hint. Darth Vader tells Luke that he needed his help to take Darth Sidious on.
@CollegeBallYouknow3 жыл бұрын
@@cristiansaucedo4707 More like for all of his cyber enhancements and lightsaber skills, he still cannot match the raw might of the force, just like Grievous.
@cristiansaucedo47073 жыл бұрын
@@revan552 Ok. But Vader can still give a hint of cowardice anyway, just like Grievous represents, at least according to the original poster
@cristiansaucedo47073 жыл бұрын
@@revan552 Trumpcicle, at the top of this thread, is the original poster. For his cowardice, I am referring to his inability to face Darth Sidious on his own. Yes, I understand he analyzed himself as being less powerful than DS, but I believe he wasn't all that brave about that knowledge either. Darth Vader ends up representing love but not purely love: more like thinking about himself and when he saw his son would die and there was nothing else he could do, after 20 years of planning, he sacrificed himself for his son.
@VNM-Venom2523 жыл бұрын
If we look at Grievous’s origins in canon it kinda makes him and Anakin a bit similar. Basically Grievous wanted to become a Jedi and was denied because he wasn’t force sensitive enough. This really bruised Grievous’s ego and led him down the path of becoming the cyborg jedi killer we all know of. Now let’s look at Anakin, one of his biggest flaws was his arrogance and when he got denied the master rank by the Jedi council it bruised his ego and helped push him down the path of becoming Vader.
@vngelicath15803 жыл бұрын
To be fair, it wasn’t primarily his bruised ego (although that didn’t help…) He wanted the rank of Jedi master so that he could get into the restricted section of the archives to find a way to save Padmé - at the end of it all, he chose the way of the Sith because at least they promised him a way to save her where the Jedi denied him that knowledge.
@elliotkouame38493 жыл бұрын
@@vngelicath1580 I believe that the "secret Jedi knowledge" motivation for Anakin is from the Revenge of the Sith novelisation, which is non-canon.
@VNM-Venom2523 жыл бұрын
@@vngelicath1580 I think in canon it was just his bruised ego.
@VNM-Venom2523 жыл бұрын
Which is something I’m not against. It adds something to Anakin, yeah his story is tragic but he still had some flaws that he could have worked on.
@Avenger854383 жыл бұрын
That's a thing a lot of Anakin defenders forget. He had loads of personal flaws and refused to address them. A desire for power and authority, to force people to act the way he thought was right. Insecurity, and possessiveness over his loved ones. A lack of dedication to Jedi work ethics. And a highly aggressive disposition. It's these things and his own desperation that made him turn. Not the Jedi, they where his and Sidious' victims. Also I don't think the Jedi are bothered about how strong one is or isn't with the force. Just their character. So I don't know if that book is accurate. Some authors tended to go overboard with their personal interpretations, rather then maintaining consistent character depictions. Cough! Karen Traviss sucks. Cough!
@wegwerfacc26673 жыл бұрын
"There can only two, a master and his apprentice." The master will be killed by the apprentice, to establish himself. Sidious circumvented this, by choosing a new apprentice every 10 years. Maul, Dooku, Grievous, Vader. Only that Starkiller failed, as did Luke, allowing Vader to kill Sidious therefor fulfilling the prophecy. As Vader was the last Sith alive at the time, he ended both Jedi and Sith, then and there.
@ouroboros57933 жыл бұрын
Greivious wasn't trained by Sidious, not a Sith and was around since at least The Battle of Geonosis. He was only trained with lightsabers by Dooku to kill Jedi and had no force potential, relying strictly on fear, his mechanical body, and above average fighting prowess, but primarily fear. I'm also fairly certain Dooku left the Jedi shortly before or after Jinn's death; Palpatine showed Dooku a hologram of Jinn's death to Maul...in a twisted way to coerce him to the dark side. Starkiller and TFU was never canon to the series either, just saying
@johnburgh3 жыл бұрын
I think this works most on a personality level, Maul being hate and anger, Dooku being arrogance and the feeling of superiority and grievous being the lust for destruction. But an interesting idea, never thought if that
@owyemen93673 жыл бұрын
Yes and did you know that maul was originally going to be the heir of palpatine in the lucas sequels
@simonwebster61273 жыл бұрын
As much as I love maul. I don't think this would work on paper unfortunately. I think a good idea would have been to have a completely new character (sort of like what they tried with snoke) but don't kill them in the second movie...
@owyemen93673 жыл бұрын
@@simonwebster6127 tcw says otherwise
@AAhmou3 жыл бұрын
The good old fashioned remain hidden while building up an empire through corruption. The thing that did in fact start in TCW... Until he got himself busted by both Palpatine and the Jedi.
@killgre23993 жыл бұрын
oh yeah I heard of that darth talon was going be the darth vader
@simonwebster61273 жыл бұрын
@@owyemen9367 yes, but he's dead after rebels. And the sequels are set after that...
@BlazerK19143 жыл бұрын
I really like Grievous from the 2D Clone Wars, being a Badass cyborg who fought many Jedi masters, even struck fear into their hearts. Too bad he’s not like that in Episode 3 and CGI Clone Wars. Despite that, he’s more useful than the Knights of Ren😄
@397llederson63 жыл бұрын
Yeah but he didn't have much personality
@wallywest47273 жыл бұрын
God 2D CW Grievous was a beast, i remember being so hyped as kid when i found out he was going to be in Episode III so yeah i was very very underwhelmed with his scenes in the film.
@397llederson63 жыл бұрын
@@wallywest4727 Yeah but what personality did he have
@Erolsaurus3 жыл бұрын
@@397llederson6 Obviously he hates Jedi because he kills them alot.
@wallywest47273 жыл бұрын
@@397llederson6 Did he need one? He's a Jedi hunter who Jedi fear, that's all we need on him. Before the CG Clone Wars gave Maul an insane amount of depth he had little to no personality in E1 yet he was still widely regarded as one of the better things in the prequel Trilogy because of look, presence and actions. Grievous actions in the Clone Wars mini series made him great, he could take on many Jedi with ease yet wasn't OP as Jedi Masters could hold their own with Mace outright one shotting with a force crush. In the film though he's this coughing coward who doesn't stand a chance against Obi-Wan, considering at that point in time many of us have just watched him slay Jedi and move at extreme speed in the 2D Clone Wars it was annoying and jarring to see the film version be almost nothing like that version.
@ReporterRed3 жыл бұрын
Do people really not realize this? Feel like I've known this since my childhood watching the prequels. That the three main villains each represent different parts of Vader that all add up to make the super villain that is Darth Vader. Thought it was just one of those... obvious things.
@WalnutAnimations2 жыл бұрын
Wow, you must have really understood narratives and themes as a kid.
@andreingramakadjscrewrip73722 жыл бұрын
@@WalnutAnimations Shake-a-spear would be jealous of this @Red Boy
@rage_20003 жыл бұрын
Obiwan is weak against siths with elegance and discipline, he’s normally the patient one in a fight
@thefourthfrank88143 жыл бұрын
The concept of Greivious slowly replacing himself with machine, can still connect to Vader by reflecting how Anikin slowly desired more and more power
@smugumin34483 жыл бұрын
I always love seeing people acknowledging how good the prequels actually are, certain scenes such as the "nooooooo" scene at the end of revenge of the sith are often seen as bad, despite making sense and in my opinion at least, being really good
@Numba0033 жыл бұрын
Man, this is some fantastic content that I as a Dooku fan particularly appreciate. Makes me nostalgic for my essay writing days in my last year of college. Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊
@Bmedeiros-youtube3 жыл бұрын
To be fair. In the clone wars. Grievous was the face of the separatists. Being an amazing tactical genius and feared pilot. A such as Vader. Grievous also beat obi wan and other masters in cannon.
@onimus12353 жыл бұрын
Me: "Gee, it's 3 AM and I have class at 8 AM, I should probably go to slee-" Full Fat Videos: *Uploads a 30 minute video* Me: Me: " *Well, hello there* "
@bengi89073 жыл бұрын
General Elm Zac.
@Too_Tall_Tales3 жыл бұрын
@Elm Zec It’s been 6 hours since your comment, hope your class went well 👍
@deleted-cg9of3 жыл бұрын
A wise choice indeed
@forbiddenregicide72403 жыл бұрын
General Grevious has so much skill, have you seen the 2003 STAT WARS cartoon. That dude is scary and skilled.
@quickbinger10583 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately that is not canon. It never happened. Disney erased it. Which means movie and 2008 clnoe wars grievous are all we have and they both suck. He never kill anyone aside from some padawans and a gungan.
@Bmedeiros-youtube3 жыл бұрын
@@quickbinger1058 well. In cannon. He beat kenobi many times. As well as council members and his attack on corasaunt is cannon.
@Lunacorva3 жыл бұрын
@@quickbinger1058 I recognise Disney has made a decision. But given that it is a stupid-ass decision, I have elected to ignore it.
@quickbinger10583 жыл бұрын
@@Lunacorva I know right.
@quickbinger10583 жыл бұрын
@@Bmedeiros-youtube yeah but he never really killed anyone aside from the 2 I mentioned. He is cowardly and I think he deserved more exciting appearances.
@dynamicduck88033 жыл бұрын
I feel that, in a way, Aniken's loss of his best friend Obi Wan made him fall further into the dark side. Not when be killed him, but when they became enemies.
@magus10173 жыл бұрын
Take notes boys and girls, this is prime content.
@christophergirardi81453 жыл бұрын
It just goes to show how tightly woven the Prequels were with the OT. It truly is a shame how the Sequels are so disjointed and disconnected from the rest.
@evancreagh46633 жыл бұрын
I have exams that go towards my Leaving Cert in 3 days but this is more important
@lizardlegend423 жыл бұрын
Nice to find another Irish person here, I'll be in your position next year
@evancreagh46633 жыл бұрын
@@lizardlegend42 forgot that the rest of the world probably dont know what Leaving Certs are...
@lizardlegend423 жыл бұрын
@@evancreagh4663 translation for everyone else: Leaving Cert is a synonym of hell
@Felix-sb5wp3 жыл бұрын
Good luck you guys
@buffoonustroglodytus46883 жыл бұрын
The fuck is cert
@Hi_buddy_waz_sup3 жыл бұрын
0:01 - Intro 4:43 - Darth Maul 8:49 - Count Dooku 17:39 - General Grevious 21:29 - Outro
@adrano_2 жыл бұрын
This makes me have even more appreciation for the prequels. The fact that all the main enemies symbolize part of Anakin’s eventual fall to the dark side as Darth Vader is incredible. George definitely needs to get more credit for this.
@Breezyz3 жыл бұрын
Those faces no longer have any meaning for me.
@elishawilson14293 жыл бұрын
They are the faces of your true self you've only forgotten
@Erolsaurus3 жыл бұрын
All around me are familiar faces, Worn out places, worn out faces, Bright and early for the daily races, Going nowhere, going nowhere, Hide my head I wanna drown my sorrow, No tomorrow, no tomorrow
@jamesrosengrant86753 жыл бұрын
I think grievous upgrading himself throughout the the clonewars makes sense and still connects to Vader. They both became machine by someone else's hand, however they show the two sides of that concept. Vader elected to keep as much of himself as he could, while grievous decided to give himself up to the machine
@False_Refracted3 жыл бұрын
With Greivous, I personally like to believe that he was "saved" by Dooku but once he already had the body he began enhancing it himself so his true weakness wasn't showing at full force.
@dylanlewis51133 жыл бұрын
Disney changed the canon so that Dooku had already left the Order before Qui-Gon died. Heck, Dooku was even interested in the Dark Side back when Qui-Gon was his Padawan. He even used Force Lightning to save Qui-Gon. Source: Master and Apprentice by Claudia Grey. Not sure which version of Dooku's fall I prefer. Both are interesting.
@rcbmmines45793 жыл бұрын
I always did have a similar idea idea that the three villains were essentially prototypes for Sidious' ultimate apprentice and pawn. Vader's predecessors being heightened aspects of himself. Maul the fiery and savage monster, Dooku the cold and sophisticated fallen Jedi and Grievous, the machine. Interesting choices by Lucas.
@seanthenerd083 жыл бұрын
It's funny how we got a dissection on two deep, dark Sith Lords and then an analysis on Grievous's goofy ass.
@skywalker26763 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@oxtheunlikelycontemplator26823 жыл бұрын
If he had gone into the stuff from other versions of the character it probably could've been taken more seriously. Especially since Grievous is the name he took after the death of his lover/spouse and not long after adopting this new moniker/identity nearly dies and is revived as a cyborg. Very much like Anakin who becomes Darth Vader then a cyborg after his wife "dies" and a process that began out of fear for her death.
@c.d.rstudios46912 жыл бұрын
@@oxtheunlikelycontemplator2682 and if 2003 GG was cannon, he'd have a lot more good stuff to say about mah boi
@Aman_Rouf3 жыл бұрын
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
@imnotinsanebisquit3 жыл бұрын
"It's like poetry, they rhyme" - George Lucas
@MG-bw9hs3 жыл бұрын
They did Grievous dirty in the live action, in the Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003 TV series) he was a total badass and actually kind of scary. Wish they made him like that in the live action but oh well, great video.
@vashythewabbit82883 жыл бұрын
Tbf, the 2003 Grievous was the result of miscommunication on how Grievous is supposed to be portrayed while ROTS Grievous is supposed to be the actual portrayal. As much as I liked 2003 Grievous, they need to go with the original intention that was released in live action. But i do like how the comics is trying to mix the 2003 Grievous and ROTS Grievous by having him kill Talzin and 2 Jedi without any help or dirty tricks and hinted about his backstory as similar to the Legends story.
@ryankeefe62223 жыл бұрын
True story: I loved that show as a kid so going to see Revenge of the sith in the theatre I was psyched especially for grievous.... when he was little more than a Saturday morning cartoon villain at 11 years old I out loud said “the fuck is this?”
@MG-bw9hs3 жыл бұрын
@@ryankeefe6222 lmao
@MG-bw9hs3 жыл бұрын
@@vashythewabbit8288 i didnt know that, thanks :D
@user-xx6vy9ri8p3 жыл бұрын
Well, they had reason why he is nerfed - Windu crushed his chest.
@DJKCP3 жыл бұрын
I could also see it like this, Maul the Assassin, Dooku the Traitor and Grievous the Machine make the traitorous mechanical killer in lord Vader.
@markparkinson69473 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic interpretation of the three villains of the prequels! I thank you for your broadcasting of this perspective, and the people on Reddit you referenced for coming up with the idea!
@wsteelix19223 жыл бұрын
Wow, I never thought all four were connected in such a way. Thank you for opening my mind to this idea.
@GlobalOutcast3 жыл бұрын
Virgin canon Grievous vs The chad 03 clone wars grevaious
@mineturtleanimations29883 жыл бұрын
Canon Grievous is actually a lot more of an interesting character and not just a Darth Vader clone. Don’t get me wrong I love Grevious 2003 but Canon Grievous is still badass
@quickbinger10583 жыл бұрын
@@mineturtleanimations2988 Stop lying to yourself. I guess he is kinda cool in battlefront 2 if you know how to use him and in the books but he still sucks. He is supposed to be a jedi killer but the only (onscreen) jedi he killed was a recently promoted padawan who only just became a knight. I know he killed captain tarpals as well but he is a gungan soooooo yeah. He also got his butt kickd by sid gungans so he may be interesting but he still sucks. Except from the legends books and cartoon. That is the real grievous.
@GlobalOutcast3 жыл бұрын
@@mineturtleanimations2988 bruh he isnt interesting at all he is literally a giant coward who only fights when he has the clear and obvious advantage or if he absolutely had to. Meanwhile the chad 03 Grievous makes his arms stop fireing so he could go in and personally murder each jedi
@sarahbelle813 жыл бұрын
@@GlobalOutcast Canon grievous is 10x more entertaining and unique than 2003 grievous' boring ass generic mustache twirling villain voice. The fact that y'all value pure strength over how interesting a character actually is ridiculous. Pretty shallow, even. I bet if the 2003 clones were super overpowered dark trooper tier characters, you'd say the same shit, even if the 2008 clones had actual character aside from being killing machines.
@GlobalOutcast3 жыл бұрын
@@sarahbelle81 im sorry dude but you so clearly dont know what you are talking about, trying to seriously compare clone wars to The clone wars is not only stupid but doesn't make sense. One is a 7 season series with 20+ minute eps that went on for years. The other was a mini series where all eps but the last season were only 3 minutes long, and the third seasons eps where only 12 mins and only ran after the release eps2 and ended before release 3. Trying to hold them to the same standard is simply silly and an incorrect approach
@modmaker76173 жыл бұрын
Here is another similarity between Maul & Vader; Maul was also presented with a family and people but they where taken away. A brother in Savage but Maul just used him as a Sith apprentice and taken away by Sheev Palpatine/Sidious. A mother in Talzin but before he got close Grievous killed her. A species that was loyal to him in the Dathomirian Zabrak Nightbrothers but Dooku/Tyranus commit genocide against them. 2 factions in the Shadow Collective & Crimson Dawn but the 1st 1 got destroyed by Ahsoka & the other got destroyed too but it's unknown how. Anakin Skywalker/Vader had a family and people that where taken away. A mother in Shmi but taken away by the Tuskin Raiders. A step-brother in Owen Lars that he didn't care for and lest him. A wife in Padmé Amidala but taken away through death by his own hand. Then twin children he didn't knew before he was lost. A son in Luke who saved him. A daughter he never knew but unknowingly met. He was given 2 factions in the Republic & Empire which both made him loose it.
@modmaker76173 жыл бұрын
@URIEL LUNA NOGUEZ Sadly that is Legends not Canon. I wish Grievous's Legends backstory returned to Canon.
@vashythewabbit82883 жыл бұрын
@@modmaker7617 well, good thing is that so far Disney hasn't touched Grievous' backstory at all so far. The closest thing we got was a Grievous comic book that revealed what he looked like before he turned into a cyborg and hinted at his Legends backstory when it said that he was lying to himself that he turned himself into a cyborg.
@thewarner21393 жыл бұрын
@@vashythewabbit8288 At no point was he lying about saying he chose to upgrade himself. He mentioned it in TCW as well. The Force itself even tells Grievous that he was a fool for choosing to undergo the operation because it prevents him from being able to understand the greater powers of the universe.
@TylerLawlawsy023 жыл бұрын
I adore Full Fat’s intros. They are amazing.
@macwade27553 жыл бұрын
I love Maul, Dooku, and Grievous and I hope they all appear on screen together at some point!
@WalnutAnimations2 жыл бұрын
They were together in the son of dathomir comic series. I also wish they made it into a clone wars episode
@shagarumedic3 жыл бұрын
“Grievous is nothing but a coward” 2003 Clone wars Grievous: and I took that personally
@modmaker76173 жыл бұрын
Why are people so hang up to Grievous in Clone Wars 2003 when the version in Revenge of the Sith is the default? Closer to his default (which is the Revenge of the Sith) is Clone Wars 2008 version. Yes I just praised the Grievous from TCW08 because it was closer to ROTS the default then the OP CW03 counterpart that officially didn't exist in-universe.
@shagarumedic3 жыл бұрын
@@modmaker7617 I just find him to be pretty neat
@benbrown39733 жыл бұрын
This made me laugh. Thanks friend
@elliotkouame38493 жыл бұрын
@@modmaker7617 I'm with you.
@ForsakenDreamer73 жыл бұрын
@@modmaker7617 The 2003 version is the default. It is the first and it was always intended to be Canon.
@willinthegamezone44643 жыл бұрын
This is just a masterpiece, no other way to describe this video
@michaelf96643 жыл бұрын
This is just fantastic. Kudos FFV. How I wish Spielberg agreed to direct so that the prequels got the execution they deserved, because there's no question that they truly run deeply and powerfully.
@FullFatVideos3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@condeaarondarkusexcubitor31553 жыл бұрын
Awesome analysis, specially when combining it with Samuel's music. Towards the "contradiction" between EP III and TCW about Grievous cybernetics, this could be easily reconciliated by saying that, although Grievous was not exactly awake after the accident the CIS provoked on him, he eventually came to just accept and like his cybernetics. We have to remind that even if he had to receive the cybernetics in any form or way, one can just change opinions at any time. Another explanation was that he just told that as masquerade to hide the truth, a truth he didn't wanted to accept or tell to anyone.
@thebullmoose83163 жыл бұрын
Vader’s overall strategy in combat is pretty similar to Dooku in my opinion.
@stormbringer28403 жыл бұрын
He learned a lot from the two men that bested him at one time : Dooku and Kenobi . He incorporated both of their style in his own becoming way more precise but also more defensive .
@kingdoomgaming3 жыл бұрын
I must say this is one of your best videos yet! I could talk about it all day but I won’t drag out this comment much longer, the similarities here are amazing, keep up the good work!
@ladyazari27853 жыл бұрын
Obi-Van: Sith lords, are our specialty. Dooku: Are you sure about that master Kenobi?
@kainezilla36883 жыл бұрын
Seeing the final blow on Anakin back to back with the final blow on Maul with the audio overlaid REALLY drives home the point that Anakin really thought he could overpower Obi-Wan like that. He really thought the fight was over. I just want to add that your use of music, and subtle flourishes in your audio is heavenly. Absolutely astounding production value.
@josephbedolla16223 жыл бұрын
This is such a cool detail, but I think the mistake Lucas made was not having Anakin interact with all of them aside from Dooku. With Obi-Wan interacting with Grievous and Maul, I think it really takes away from the effect of Anakin's turn to the Darkside. Take the OT for example, with each movie Luke's journey is changed by his interactions with the prequels characters. Obi-Wan in an NH, Yoda in ESB, and the Anakin/Darth Vader in ROTJ. All these characters were essential to Luke's journey of becoming a Jedi. Imagine how cool it would have been to see a Dark contrast to it in the prequels with instead Anakin's journey to the Darkside is not guided by the interactions with the heroes, but with his interactions with the villains. In each movie, he would basically be facing off against an aspect of his future dark persona. He would face off against maul in PM, Grievous in AOTC, and Dooku in ROTS. I think it would have been much cooler than we ended up getting, but hey that's just me.
@josesosa33373 жыл бұрын
Yep. Other people pointed this out but looking at these characters.... Maul= anger, Dooku=duty to the sith, fallen jedi, greviuos=cyborg that hunts jedi. These villians say something about Anakin. It sucks that anikin didn't get much time with these villains or at least have the prequels focus one villain to work for palpatine. Maul is a good example. He has anger, he is the main antagonsit of episode 1, he gets robot legs that reflect anakins mechanical nature as a jedi and the sith. Even maul's rivalry with obiwan sort of mirrors obiwans relationship with Vader. Both were defeated by obiwan and both use the darkside to keep going.
@skywalker26763 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. I think a maul vs anakin fight is the biggest robbery in Star Wars history same wit anakin vs grievous but I think palpatine made it so grievous and anakin wouldn’t face eachother
@rayvonvelez31293 жыл бұрын
I disagree. I do agree anakin should have interacted with them but I don't believe he needed too