Anakin VS Obi-Wan: A Perfectly Balanced Duel (Why It’s Great)

Anakin VS Obi-Wan is considered one of the greatest moments in the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy. Here, we examine why this perfectly balanced duel is still so powerful.
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[@AboutPandas-cc1ks]

"So I threw the senate at him, the whole senate. True story."

[@EZog58]

Robot Chicken Star Wars is the best.

[@michajuszkiewicz8520]

"I AM THE SENATE."

[@albertschoise8091]

About7000Pandas it was a big senate

[@errornoname23]

‘ *_RING RING! RING RING!_* ‘

[@aguspuig6615]

Hecthrew himself at him

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

The High Ground is too op

[@lucasbiermann257]

unless you use the force to make the one above you lose balance and just hit them as they fall...

[@ImPolonn]

Please nerf

[@ollonet9965]

OP the high ground is

[@strawberrymilk2532]

Why are you everywhere

[@obi-wankenobi1514]

true tho

[@sinception5034]

Lets be real: Rey and Kylo wouldn't last two minutes against these two

[@nategrenade8695]

Sinception they wouldn’t last 30 seconds

[@alexsaliba2935]

Neither would luke. LOL

[@sinception5034]

@@alexsaliba2935 Luke isn't a duelest like Kenobi and anakin. He's a jedi Counselor. He's more focused on the force then using the lightsaber

[@alexsaliba2935]

@@sinception5034 I agree.

[@blairbuskirk5460]

The amount of hours of choreography training for that scene either Hayden or Ewan put in would mean that they would be able to perform more impressive flourishes and guard transitions than any of the actors in the newer entries.

[@walkstarz4662]

It's so refreshing to see someone being unabashedly positive about the prequel trilogy

[@FullFatVideos]

Always!

[@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337]

Love the PT and OT.

[@tokiyakillsinsight160]

Me too. I’ve always been adamant that the prequels were better than the originals. Even when hating on them was the popular thing to do.

[@meemmahn2856]

@@tokiyakillsinsight160 I wouldn't say they're better, but Revenge of the Sith is my favorite movie.

[@Mrgameboi]

@@meemmahn2856 same

[@roxasuzumaki6628]

"You were my brother Anakin, I loved you" I'm not crying. I'm not.

[@auxencefromont1989]

I am

[@gregory7807]

Roxas Uzumaki I was

[@dmc2076]

Why would you be? They spent most of AOTC talking trash about each other behind one another's' backs. Obi-Wan was miffed that Qui Gon even wanted to train Anakin, and the prequels make it clear early on that Anakin was the in-universe equivalent of a school shooter in the making, so it's not like him turning bad was surprising or tragic. No reason to shed any tears.

[@roxasuzumaki6628]

@@dmc2076 look we're all friends here. If not, you know where the door is.

[@andersalstrup3077]

@@roxasuzumaki6628 people dont have to agree with your opinion. The least you can do is accept that and move on. Or you can explain what makes you feel that way through events in the story and have a better understanding of each other's point of view.

[@ecg22201]

"I will do what I must" gets me every damn time

[@bemasaberwyn55]

I love that octave drop by Hayden "You WILL try"

[@LilyNotDoffen]

It got anakin too

[@lisamarieligreci-newton7804]

For me it's "You were my brother, Anakin". Immolation Scene is one of the finest pieces of music Williams has ever composed (even better than Battle of the Heroes in my opinion).

[@AndreNitroX]

Yes like you know he doesn’t want to fight but he has no choice now. A true Jedi

[@TheJonnyrocker93]

And then Hayden screaming "I hate you" that anger in his eyes and his voice

[@HalfEatenMedia]

I loved the senate room duel just because Sidious doesn’t care about the damage he is causing because it doesn’t matter anymore because he has already won and is just enjoying the moment. It’s one of the best moments in all the films.

[@mart4414]

It's a metaphor for how he's literally thorn democracy down and thrown it around. Things are so bad, end of the world bad that the other two are fighting in what looks like hell. Fantastic writing.

[@adityabhalekar3506]

Same

[@ckr9547]

he's having so much fun that the only thing you can do i enjoy the moment with him

[@minnumseerrund]

Also, he's been hiding his true power for decades. Now he finally gets to go full for the lulz

[@porksporktm5725]

i love to senate fight too but i love the deleted scenes senate fight even more

[@SnowblindOtter]

I agree wholeheartedly with the two biggest points in this video: 1: The dueling skills of Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor are phenomenal. Regardless of how stupid some of the choreography looked in the fight, you cannot deny that they were both phenomenal duelists by the time the prequel trilogy concluded its filming, and these days it is incredibly rare to see swordsmanship, even for the purposes of entertainment, of that quality. 2: Obi Wan Kenobi did fail, because, like he said, he loved Anakin. Too much to end his life, too much to end his suffering. He loved Anakin, but hated what he had become so much that he wanted him to suffer for it.

[@adamh509]

He basically allowed emotion to cloud his judgement

[@satinekenobi4ver855]

Obi wan never hated Anakin and he did nt want anakin to suffer that is why he begged anakin not try his own move on him .

[@minnumseerrund]

And as pointed out in another video, Obi-Wan ultimately trained Anakin not because he thought it was the right thing to do, but because it was Qui-Gonn's dying wish. Obi-Wan lets his emotions cloud his judgement. It's even true for the OT. Luke is right. There is still good (Anakin) in Vader, but Obi-Wan dismisses any chance of redemption.

[@Grivian]

Hmm stupid choreography you say? It is without a doubt one of the greatest fights in cinema history. And by greatest I don't only mean from a movie perspective but also considering realism. There are very few fights in cinema that are as realistic as this fight. In 90% of the fight they use historically realistic stances and techniques. I suppose what you refer to is the flourish when they swing their swords around. I mean that is only a few seconds out of a 6 minutes fight. If so you also have to criticize Obi Wan's pointless spin in ANH and Luke striking Vader's saber 5 times in ROTJ.

[@SnowblindOtter]

@@Grivian You should research what choreography is, after you have re-read my original comment several times, because you clearly do not understand either of them.

[@mankdemelord6974]

Palpatine literally threw bits of himself at Yoda. Because he is the Senate.

[@HDA_III]

😯😳🤯

[@eliaspeter7689]

*laughs in sith lord*

[@cajuntacos8423]

Balance 😏😏

[@fegeleinherman8587]

Not yet

[@mr.pickle4847]

That’s a cursed thought

[@lightchipster]

"Fully armed and operational Sith Lord" - fully armed, till Mustafar...

[@scrambler_850_rider]

Till Dooku then Mustafar.

[@kalashboi]

Joe Mendez He lost his lower arm.

[@primary2630]

anakin was barely ever fully armed during his life lol

[@moonbootsgaming2328]

He hasnt been fully armed since he fought Dooku in Attack Of The Clones

[@adarsh9715]

This one cuts too deep

[@adendodson6843]

If I had to rate every star wars movie.then revenge of the sith would have the high ground

[@AyanKhan-og3sd]

1 Revenge Of The Sith 2 Return Of The Jedi 3 The Empire Strikes Back 4 Rogue One 5 Attack Of The Clones 6 A New Hope 7 The Phantom Menace 8 The Last Jedi 9 The Force Awakens 10 Solo 11 The Rise Of Skywalker

[@adendodson6843]

@@AyanKhan-og3sd yes

[@myles3856]

Yes

[@LND209]

@@AyanKhan-og3sd Thay list is shit. Return of the Jedi over Empire? The Last Jedi over Force Awakens? Attack of the Clones over Phantom Menace?

[@trollkenobi6727]

@@AyanKhan-og3sd That would be my list but with TLJ above TFA is just outrageous and unfair

[@CreateAmazment]

the argument that the fight is "over choreographed" is also kind of bad because they forget the relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan. yes the fight is very flashy, but their connection to eachother is so incredibly strong that they can probably sense 100 steps ahead of eachother. also not to mention the fact that they were training with eachother for 13 whole years at that point. Anakin was taught everything Obi-Wan knew, and Obi-Wan was taught everything Anakin knew. that's why Obi-Wan is on the defensive the whole fight until he knows he can strike, he's dedicating all of his energy into sensing Anakin's blow and playing to them accordingly because he knows how aggressive Anakin can be. I think Anakin actually could've won the fight if he realized this. Anakin was a very good aggressive duelist, but Obi-Wan was not, and while Anakin may not be insanely good on defense, him being good at an offensive style would've given him the advantage if he played more passive and let Obi-Wan take the aggressive stance, rather than playing into Obi-Wan's greatest strength. because even if Anakin can out match him physically, mentally Obi-Wan is miles ahead, and that is what he failed to realize because Anakin was too naive and full of himself

[@luminaraunduli2791]

During the opening scene when they get in the elevator to rescue the chancellor shows how much they know each other: packed in a box with 8 droids and guns drawn, they carve them up inches away from each other's sabers totally in sync, never worried about taking off a limb of their partner...

[@CreateAmazment]

@@luminaraunduli2791 exactly. like people don't realize when Obi-Wan says "you were my brother" he meant that

[@Ahriman13]

@@CreateAmazment Which coincidently enough was exactly what Anakin didn't need. He needed a father which he ultimately found in Palpatine

[@lucasnorred4198]

@@Ahriman13 if only my mans qui gon didn’t die

[@bigdave5678]

You mean darth vadah

[@theshroudedghost8288]

The battle basically was just a perfect offense versus a perfect defense.

[@lapoppabah]

when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object

[@goransekulic3671]

Unhinged Djem-So vs Focused Soresu. That's what it was. Also, Obi-Wan didn't want to actually hurt Anakin ; if he did, there would be no Vader.

[@joshwaterman5526]

Goran Sekulic lol no shit Sherlock he could of sliced him to pieces once he was falling into the lava. Apparently he wanted anakin to suffer though or else obi wan would have finished the job instead of letting him be burned to death in a torturous way.

[@fusionz0722]

Anakin would’ve had obi if he hadn’t done what maul did, the high ground always wins 😂

[@soldier1stclass640]

The shield no spear can penetrate against the spear no shield can block

[@generalkenobi7873]

Obi Wan and Anakin spent almost 15 years fighting side by side, of course they can anticipate each other's moves !

[@GonzoTehGreat]

Actually, Obi Wan supposedly transitioned from Ataru (Form 4) to Soresu (Form 3) after Geonosis, while Anakin exclusively used Djem So (Form 5) so while Anakin was more predictable, Obi should've had an advantage defensively.

[@Dontlagmebro]

@@GonzoTehGreat not only did he transition to Soresu but he mastered it. Mace Windu said thay Obi Wan was Soresu. It was also the perfect form to counter Vader's aggressive style.

[@cloudwalker9572]

@@GonzoTehGreat actually Anakin changed from Shien to Djem So during the clone wars

[@thehumanity0]

@@GonzoTehGreat Well he did ultimately win by using a defensive tactic aka the high ground. Even if they used different forms though, it makes sense both of them had sparred together for decades and knew how to counter and parry every single stroke of their sabers.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

@@thehumanity0 Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with that, especially as they were master and apprentice (padawan). However, this was Anakin at his most powerful, so Obi Wan should've lost the duel, but presumably his mastery (as *Dontlagmebr* pointed out) of Soresu saved his life. If he'd stuck with Ataru (as used by Qui Gon) he probably would've lost.

[@tonythetrashgod7537]

Just the pain in yoda's voice when he says "failed I have" like he's fighting back tears is one of the MANY reasons Revenge of the Sith is my favorite movie ever

[@cobaingrohlnovo]

Like your dad tells you

[@cammozzer1345]

@@cobaingrohlnovorelax😅

[@cammozzer1345]

@@cobaingrohlnovorelax😅

[@alessandrosantacroce9610]

Revenge of the Sith is hands down one of the saga’s best movies.

[@smartalec2001]

Palpatine literally uses the Senate as a weapon against Yoda. Doesn’t get more symbolic than that.

[@barackyobama6435]

Palpatine is the senate

[@MechanicalMarketer253]

Not yet.

[@bolson42]

Nick Schulaner *autistic screech and 720 degree sith spin

[@goransekulic3671]

You know, it never actually occurred to me as it being symbolic. Thanks!

[@Retsbol]

"So I threw the whole Senate at him!"

[@chasecrane2410]

Obi Wan pouring his heart out to Anakin at the end is where men cried

[@juangonzales7523]

Chase Crane amen brother

[@andrewcruz7595]

*no kidding I cried when I was a kid . And when he said "you were my brother Anakin " I shed a tear*

[@dillonc7955]

I actually cried when Darth Vader found out that Padme died... and his own anger too.

[@yurhomi4478]

Dillon C hard to take that ‘noooo’ seriously so I’d only ‘cry’ laughing after it.

[@Journey_Awaits]

Real men cried when Coleman Trebor died, such a profound character arc

[@PapaGatorGaming]

"Instead Obi-Wan berates him, condemns him" Obi-Wan then expresses how much he loved Anakin

[@cryptid096]

You WERE the chosen one... you WERE my brother, I loveED you... as well as the whole you became the thing you swore to destroy, and you were supposed to bring balance to the force not leave it in darkness, obi wan was saying everything that Anakin had failed to do, and how much he was disappointed in him

[@dias4247]

This duel only exists because of a single Vader line: When I left you, I was but the learner, now I'm the master!

[@CroPhantomX]

There is another

[@shadow-qp2ns]

he always was the master

[@lw1391]

Only a master of evil Darth!

[@nightshadoew436]

It makes sense. If Obiwan and Darthvader knew eachother before it is only logical to assume they fought. Whats better is the fact that Clone Wars team did 6-7 seasons of narative backflips to keep Anakin and Grevious apart just because Anakin called him short in RotS. Now that is pure gold

[@speedway3901]

Imagine ascending through the top of the ranks of your military to become the emperors personal guard just to get yeeted into a wall by an old magic frog.

[@trashhollowknightplayer4199]

That's high on ketamine

[@hairyputter5363]

That too On The First day of job

[@tergartcunninghan2013]

Well, if those are Senate guard, then unfortunately, they actually aren’t that much of a threat. In the days of the Republic, during the Clone Wars anyway, the title of Senate Guard was more or less just a title of prestige. It was usually given to the most Nobel families, and/or those who bribed their way to get there. So odds are, those two got their shit wrecked rightfully due to their pampered, rich boy stereotype esc lack of training. They may have garb of the Imperial Guards, but there is no way that they have the training. GRANTED, no one lasts against Yoda. Besides Palpatine, if Yoda is trying, or usually even not, then your ass is getting handed to you, By Kermit’s old monk uncle. And ALSO, sorry for even putting this here. It’s probably pointless. But still...it’s a neat tibbit, I guess.

[@danjayson1]

@@tergartcunninghan2013 well in their defense, anyone would look like a sissy right next to a clone trooper.

[@tergartcunninghan2013]

clamp map Very much true.

[@BlankBlonk]

"No way fighters could anticipate eachothers moves like that" Remember, in canon, they use their force powers to predict. Plus they're master and ex student so obviously they'll know the other well

[@tedbosquez19]

Precisely ... these two Jedi have fought alongside each other for the duration of the Clone Wars and sparred against each thousands of hours in the dojo ... it would be insane to expect that they did NOT know each other’s moves to such precision ...

[@Xenomnipotent]

People also tend to forget Qui-Gon displayed how the force grants enhanced reflexes such as when he caught Jar Jar's tongue. To Anakin and Kenobi the fight would be slower than the audience perceived.

[@edge1247]

The fact that people complain about the way the Jedi and Sith Saber duel over the fact they can shoot lighting out of there hands amazes me

[@genetenz]

@@tedbosquez19 and not once do we ever see obi wan train Anakin. Mistake.

[@vCLOWNSHOESv]

Fighters can't anticipate each other's moves like that in our world but these guys are two of the most powerful force users in the Star Wars universe.

[@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337]

Love the prequels, not perfect but they are still George's creation, and I will never doubt him as a creator of this franchise I have loved since I was 8 years old.

[@PNS311]

Same bro

[@bmobmo6438]

It's also worth mentioning that at no point in this duel was Kenobi truly on the back foot. It was actually the perfect matchup for him. Anakin's preferred fighting style was called Djem So, a very aggressive style that relied heavily on brute strength and speed, trying to overwhelm the opponent with a flurry of power attacks, parrying every strike and immediately counterattacking. Kenobi, on the other hand, was the among the greatest masters of Soresu, a very defensive form that was all about prolonging the fight, putting up an impenetrable defense and minimizing energy spent, outlasting the opponent. Obi-Wan wasn't on the back foot, he just wanted to look like he was. He was trying to tire Anakin out, and bait out a fatal mistake.

[@mart4414]

I think his tactics and Soresu skill set did play a part but also deep down he just wasn't trying to kill him and wanted to prolong the fight in order to postpone his mandate as a Jedi. It's why he couldn't finish him off and had to look away when he saw his brother being burned alive.

[@theshieldrr989]

Not only that tho, if you look right before Obi jumped to the high ground, Anakin tired Obi out. Its even stated the Soresu prolongs the inevitable. Anakin drawing on the dark side gave him the stamina to keep fighting, where Obi was using all of his energy just to keep up with his fallen padawans attacks

[@7632ios]

@@theshieldrr989 Well somewhat. But Kenobi didn’t mean to harm Anakin until the very end. That’s is why the fight was so long in the First Place. Once Kenobi let go of his love for Anakin he bested him.

[@percivalknightoftheflames855]

It's more onesided in the Novelization Anakin and Kenobi being close is Hardly an Anti Feat anyways with Anakin being Conflicted, Confused and Mentally Shattered

[@rubabrahman9497]

He's like an English teacher, tells us things that even the author didn't know exists.

[@janosd4nuke]

... eye of the beholder. At it's finest.

[@elmoisacocainaddict557]

But what he says is actually true

[@benjaminkim2216]

However in film. Most of the small details are intentional

[@Commander_Shepard.]

*English Lit Teacher:* The author describes that the curtains were blue. This symbolizes the gloominess and lonliness the character is feeling at this moment *Author:* The curtains were just blue man. 😐

[@admiralampere5513]

May you someday develop the ability to interpret past surface level

[@bemasaberwyn55]

The fact Hayden and Ewan weren't sped up in post(they did get that fast) makes this fight incredible

[@fiasypiage952]

No it doesn’t

[@bemasaberwyn55]

@@fiasypiage952 *as Obi-Wan* From your point of view

[@GonzoTehGreat]

Executing the same moves over and over again isn't that impressive and the problem is that after a certain point it starts to look staged and hence LESS believable.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

@@GonzoTehGreat as the man said. "These are not ordinary humans" To quote Matthew Stover "Blade to blade they were identical. After thousands of hours of lightsaber sparring, they knew each other better than brothers. More intimately than lovers. They were complimentary halves of a single warrior" This is shown in the fight. And that's why I love this fight

[@GonzoTehGreat]

​@@bemasaberwyn55 I was referring to the actors not the characters.

[@darknerd8332]

Before Disney: Jedi train their ass off to get an amazing status and power like Ani and Kenobi After Disney: Pick up saber, swing saber boom ur a jedi

[@ShibuNub3305]

Haha rey go sWoOsh vWOom Worezbm-

[@bbp2930]

@@ShibuNub3305 XD

[@tsdobbi]

Before Disney Luke walks into a room with two of the most powerful Sith that ever lived. He just heard about the force 4.5 years ago. He beats the "chosen one" who has trained as both jedi and sith and has decades of experience, straight up. Then manipulates him into throwing the master down a hole and becomes the last man standing. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance when it comes to Luke and Rey. Did Luke have "more" training than Rey? Maybe? Maybe not? Here is about what I can derive: Luke: A few days of training under Obi Wan. A few weeks to a few months of training with Yoda, it's difficult to really derive how much time passed. At least in one of the books we know Luke trained for 6 months on his own before he went back to see Yoda. Luke was heavily involved with the Rebel Alliance....so you know he wasn't involved in Jedi training the whole damn time from ANH. Rey: In my opinion the only "flagrant" Mary Sueism is Episode 7 in her duel with Ben. However, Ben is arguably injured when the fight commences, and it's made clear early in the episode Rey is experienced in martial arts. In the prequels and clone wars, its made pretty evident that skilled non-force wielders are capable of giving Jedi a run for their money. As far as training. A year passed from TLJ and ROS. She had an indeterminate amount of training from Luke. It's also stated pretty clearly she was training for a year straight between TLJ and ROS and was not taking part in any missions for the resistance. Not only running training programs created by Luke but studying Jedi texts. People always bring up "well the Emperor and Vader were old!" So was Dooku, Anakin was Luke's age in ANH with a decade of REAL dedicated Jedi training under his belt and old ass Dooku beat him and Obi-wan. How much dedicated training did Luke ACTUALLY have between ANH and ROTJ?

[@bbp2930]

@@tsdobbi Listen here luke got a few minutes of training from Obi wan and all he did was use the force to sense where it was coming from. Besides he already had experience with a ship similar with the X Wing so it makes sense he could blow up the Death Star. He had two years of training under Yoda GRANDMASTER YODA and still lost to Vader on Bespin. He trained on Tatooine looking at the Jedi textbooks. He only won against Vader because Vader was conflicted and never wanted to kill his own son and Luke got amped when Vader threatened to turn his sister to the darkside and the emperor still was beating Luke Rey: able to fly a ship no experience at all able to use Jedi mind trick no training at all was able to beat Kylo Ren and I don’t want to hear the excuse that he was injured because we all know pain makes a darkside user stronger that’s why he was beating his chest to increase the pain which increased strength in the darkside but nope MarySue Rey still beats him. Rey goes to Luke no training just a 3 lessons on why the Jedi should die and what the force is. She leaves three days later and is able to use the force to move giant Boulders no training WHATSOEVER. Then she faces Kylo Ren when Kylo Ren is about to win NOPE reys MarySue comes right on time to save her. She only had a year of training and can automatically use force lightning and pull a ship. Rey beats one of the most powerful Sith Lords alive PALPATINE no training and I don’t want to hear the Jedi gave her strength excuse because it stated the Jedi only inspired her to get up which is BS. Rey is a MarySue and Luke is not.

[@Cashimat]

I didn’t think it was because Vader was old, I always thought it was because Vader was a limbless corpse in a suit using robot arms, which is why he fights slower in the OT from a story standpoint.

[@claifers1841]

Heres how it goes: PT-good choreography, good effects, impact on story is alot OT- story impact is through the roof as every duel develops the characters story even more, the only criticism i can give is that the choreography is meh.(sorry) ST: why even bother with lightsaber duels?

[@xxraddude3621]

General grevious at least they tried to be actually good films (TFA and TLJ at least) with better storytelling, dialogue, and characters

[@claifers1841]

Noah tried And failed I mean cmon i was written better in the prequels and could hold my ground against space jesus

[@fangley4128]

Hello there

[@claifers1841]

Finley Longshaw, i was expecting someone more like, kenobi

[@leonardorossi1543]

@@xxraddude3621 Do or do not.There's no try

[@DevilArtemis]

Episode 3 is my favorite of the prequels, the combat is what makes the experience for me. I love it.

[@mid7752]

Hey there Artemis. Didn't know you're a Star Wars fan.

[@renelopez3547]

Make a lightsaber duel with kermit vs cell

[@pepemaster7681]

How you doing

[@Kayn_The_Shadow_Reaper]

Ayyy can we have some high ground in your videos?

[@ThunderNecros]

Oh my...

[@meghnamathur3188]

Mustafar is red Kamino is blue You were my brother Anakin I loved you!

[@FullFatVideos]

I giggled

[@xxraddude3621]

Meghna Mathur and somehow, the writing in this poem is substantially better than some of the dialogue in the prequel trilogy lmao

[@ShibuNub3305]

@@xxraddude3621 *Stares scornfully at Attack of the Clones*

[@Delft_07]

@@FullFatVideos you said obi wan was a cowered. But it fiscally pains him to see anakin like that. Like he said himself he saw him as a brother. If he ended his "brother" he would have hated himself and proved Palpatine's point of how every jedi didn't trust him.

[@juocyjay5732]

nice

[@82dorrin]

Watching this fight before seeing The Clone Wars: Wow!! Cool fight scene!! So awesome! Watching this fight after seeing The Clone Wars: *Uncontrollable sobbing*

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

This fight was borderline an unmovable object meets an unstoppable force. Anakin is known for his offensive style while kenobi is known for his defensive style so throwing them at each other makes complete sense as to why the duel is so long

[@Ben-vf5gk]

"It's too coreographed they look like they're dancing" "I don't care its awesome!" -Jeremy Jahns

[@FlymanMS]

Shadiversity channel made a review of Anakin vs Obi Wan fight and it appears most of stuff we see is pretty practical and makes sense from historical fencing point of view: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nae6Zaelqt6nocU

[@clayjay2753]

"The dance of Force" would be a great name for this, in my oppinion

[@londonworkman7617]

Its a universe full of aliens, force powers, and your dealing with practically 2 lightsaber masters, of course they'll be so attuned to fighting that it will seem flawless.

[@schlimetime4938]

@Zeronality "Come on, they are superhumans" Worst part about the prequels is that they made the Jedi superhumans...

[@shorddy1668]

Teben They always were, come on using a fucking laser sword to deflect bullets and space magic to do pretty anything I mean hell Vader literally deflects lasers with his hands and don’t get me started on Palpatine with the ability to fucking shoot lightning out of his finger tips

[@QuadesExpiredChannel]

"I have failed you Anakin. I have failed you." That line honestly makes me sad tbh

[@robertscottTV]

F*kn feels

[@TY-km8hj]

I've always found that line to ring true not just in the context of everything that's happened but in the fact that just before the duel as well as that very scene when they converse obi wan doesn't truly try to understand anakin or at least appeal to him. Anakin has his reasons for doing what he's done and from his pov the jedi are acc evil but obi wan condemns him a final time by saying that "well then u are lost". The fact that we see the pain it causes anakin to do what he has done and the fact that he was even willing to even bother conversing with obi wan shows that he wasnt completely gone, he wanted obi wan to understand him, however when obi wan says that final line to him and they engage in combat again, he really had failed for the final time and solidified his turn into vader once he was defeated, left for dead and then lost everything. Makes both obi wan and anakin so complex and tragic.

[@alexerickson6331]

Tyrone Joseph yes for as smart and so I-Wan is supposed to be you would think he would have tried to talk Anakin out of it more. But then again we wouldn’t have the other movies if he did

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

In our (Russian-doubling) version he said "I'm bad teacher, Anakin, I'm bad teacher". And I love it more because he reveals his fault of Anakin's turn to the Dark side...But of course I love original version too.

[@tastywinner2848]

I can always feel Obi-Wans pain when he started screaming at a defeated Anakin with tears in his eyes, it's such a powerful scene, I have no idea why people disliked these movies.

[@duskyflathead4483]

_"When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object"_

[@SldOnEmWithDa45]

People say his acting is stale and emotionless, but what if it was done ON PURPOSE to help the viewer bridge the gap between Anakin and Darth Vader!? Like just imagine Vader saying “You will try” y’all would cream your pants 😂😂

[@Cailus3542]

Eh. The problem was never Hayden, but rather George Lucas's directing. George Lucas is brilliant and has done amazing things in cinema, but his direction of the prequels (and screenwriting, really) was a low point.

[@minnumseerrund]

A better response to "I will do what I must." would be "As will I." But ya, I dont think the actual line is so horrible. The speech before, tho. "Mah Umpire uwu"

[@breadsticck808]

@@Cailus3542 I agree; mainly the cheesy, forced relationship between Anakin and Padme and the dialogue in pretty much every scene that had Anakin in it ruined the prequels.

[@Grivian]

@@Cailus3542 I'm curious what you don't like about George Lucas' directing?

[@cro-magnum7642]

@@Cailus3542 He actually asked Steven Spielberg to direct the prequels before filming The Phantom Menace. His response was "No, this is your child." Welp

[@monarchofllamas2150]

As a whole Revenge of the Sith is just my favorite Star Wars movie

[@skyro1765]

LlamaKing II same

[@meatballbrawler2]

@Ewan Callister obviously someone shit in your mouth at birth

[@AirbenderHawk]

LlamaKing II INDEED.

[@jamman4356]

Ewan Callister fuck off

[@thomasgodfrey5877]

Same here

[@MetalsHHGaming]

Say what you will about the Prequels, at least they felt like Star Wars.

[@edwardlopex9448]

After seeing the rise of skywalker..I couldn’t agree more

[@jamiebraswell5520]

I always enjoyed the prequels even though they definitely have flaws. They actually have a story to tell, unlike the sequel trilogy that has been all over the map and a disjointed/forgettable mess.

[@cannabishornliu6119]

Meanwhile the Sequels destroying the love for Star Wars bit by bit!

[@mezo72271]

Why the hell do people hate prequels?

[@DreiK96]

@@mezo72271 casual fans complaining about the acting.

[@anounyoumissed4073]

I noticed a couple of interesting points while watching this: First, Obi-wan's love for Anakin was exactly the kind of attachment the Jedi feared would corrupt and give rise to the dark side--which here saves Vader. Obi-wan fails to do the right thing because of the Jedi's attachment. While the Jedi pursued ideals, its clear that its not so easy to uphold them when the chips hit the table. Second, as a mirror to the first, Vader's defeat is a direct result of his pride and lust for power. Challenging the high ground even though retreating or trying to engage from another direction is an option is a move dripping in sith ideology, especially Vader's specifically--to challenge the limitations other perceive with direct power. (Also the fact that Obi-wan is claiming the high ground literally and figuratively is such a nice tie in).

[@mobzillalongtail]

I’m just wondering what the answer is to the whole attachment thing would be. Like if attachment leads to the dark side then don’t allow it. But if you don’t allow it, people will seek it more. Always confused me

[@mobzillalongtail]

James Black yeah but there’s got to be an answer to it right? I’m sure there’s some way to make the Jedi order right so that it doesn’t fail

[@garythefishable]

@@mobzillalongtail The story of Luke showed us that attachments were not actually necessary the gateway drug to the darkside the Jedi order had suggested. Infact Lukes actions to protect the people he deeply cared about is what eventually ended the Sith. What a lot of people miss is that the original trilogy already showed us that the Jedi order were wrong on this point. Anakin's attachments where never the issue it was the separation from his mother and his initial repression of his feelings for Padme that ultimately caused his suffering. It appears that the correct action was to allow and acknowledge the existence of healthy attachments rather than deny their existence (It wasn't just Anakin who had attachments) and learn to use them to their advantage as Luke did on numerous occasions.

[@36moshpit7]

@James Black Well, the Jedi sought to detach themselves from physical, worldly concerns so they could study and be in tune with the Force, without ego or personal desire weighing them down or corrupting them. A pure communion with the Force, if you will. The Sith embrace their emotions to understand their worldly desires, and use every resource available (the Force, political power, cunning) to gain greater power and realize their ambitions, with nothing holding them back. The Sith ideology's pretty similar to the tenets of capitalism, survival of the fittest, any competitive sport, and the human endeavor: Grow as powerful as you possibly can, indulge your desires, tolerate no weakness, and teach a worthy apprentice expecting them to defeat and surpass you, and so improve the game in general (make the Sith stronger than you could). You also see examples of this philosophy in other media: the Firebenders from Avatar, the Slytherin ideology from Harry Potter ("Follow your desires wherever they lead. That is the insight of Salazar.") Both sides seek knowledge and power by removing the impurities of what they see as distractions, which the other side embraces. The Jedi are too detached and spiritual (Air Nomads, Ravenclaws to an extent), while the Sith are ultimately too blinded by personal ambition and their fear of loss, inevitably destroying themselves and everything they cared about, burning themselves out physically and spiritually (the worst Firebenders and Slytherins). The solution? Take all the best traits from both sides while addressing the pitfalls of both ideologies, and make your own customized philosophy, truly understanding/optimizing the Force, and the world you live in. Closest thing to that is probably the Grey Jedi/Force users.

[@austingroce8020]

I wish they never made “The force awakens” and on. It started with vader and ended with vader. He balanced the force, which never said would come without casualties and time, and then rey and them come along...

[@mart4414]

*His son helped him bring balance to the force

[@sag6445]

The force awakens is pretty good. Except the other two movies.

[@gumdeo]

Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalker. Everything else is a spin-off.

[@DragonFGCdb]

Tfa was actually decent, AND THEN TLJ AND ROTS CAME OUT

[@ultimatesonic47]

rouge one was still star wars but that is only good star wars movie disney made

[@crosshair9907]

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN BEGINS

[@MinecraftKarol2005]

you are a bald one

[@gavriloprincipgaming7857]

@Karol'S playing bald is so much funnier

[@Bob420s]

DeeBee Subscribe to my youtube SwarleyShrimp

[@crosshair9907]

@@Bob420s No, I don't think I will.

[@crosshair9907]

@JT Oh absolutely

[@kcculla]

I love the prequels. But you know what I dont like? Sand

[@arminc4658]

It's coarse, it's rough, it's irritating, and it gets everywhere. Who would?

[@guricane]

Armin C4 those dumb Jedi

[@heyiamnick4144]

the bad dialogue

[@anonymystical4413]

Hellcat060 it’s coarse, and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere!

[@JAY-zf6jw]

HeyIamNick what bad dialogue, prequel memes are the second best thing that happened to the Star Wars franchise, just let people band together as a community and have fun quoting the prequels, not trying to start a argument but please leave the prequels alone, they have gotten enough hate as it is

[@adamfrance7176]

I think another point in terms of the mustafar scene being choreographed is how well obi-wan and anakin know each other. They have fought and worked together for so long, they can predict the other's next move

[@rjmacready9828]

The duel of the fates cut to Yoda and Palpatine is a highlight of the film for sure

[@samurai4663]

When the unstoppable force meets the immovable object.

[@obiwankenobi7857]

The one with the high ground wins

[@TenaciousJoe24]

@@obiwankenobi7857 *I HATE YOU!!*

[@avabluej5719]

@@obiwankenobi7857 False. Then how do you explain how you beat Darth mal in the phantom menace.

[@obiwankenobi7857]

​@@avabluej5719 Because I AM THE HIGH GROUND

[@katakesh8566]

Both were destroyed, from a certain point of view Anakin both physically, emotionally, and mentally While Obi Wan is dealing with PTSD all the way into A New Hope

[@talynator3745]

They knew about each other's attacks because they had faught together for years.

[@hunternelson4320]

Talynator exactly... StarWars Theory did a really good video on that

[@talynator3745]

@@hunternelson4320 yeah I love star wars theory.

[@concordetconstabulary219]

Yep. Still doesn’t mean you fight at the same speed in perpetuity in a flurry and that your blows don’t do anything. I’ve trained martial arts with my sensei for ten years now. I know his weakness is his knee and elbow, he knows my weakness is my back and right ankle. He knows I fight defensively then intercept and I know he likes to attack, grapple and intercept. I’m way stronger, he’s way faster. Here’s the tricky part. If either of us hit the other, still hurts and effects the nature of the fight. I can still catch him off guard and he can still catch me off guard. Trust me, just because someone trained you doesn’t mean they are going to meet you blow for blow, and just because you learned their tricks doesn’t mean you’re gonna be able to stop them from exploiting your weakness. TLDR. This is a BS excuse for a poorly made fight that was choreographed without thought out into drama. The key to Space Opera.

[@kylosolo6128]

@@concordetconstabulary219 Dude, it's a freaking sci-fi movie, doesn't have to be that realistic

[@concordetconstabulary219]

Kylo Solo no. It’s science fantasy Space Opera. Look it up. Said by George Lucas. So yeah the fight does have to be grounded in some reality with drama and weight to it. It’s not crouching man baby, hidden relevance. Where’s the drama? The performance? The changing nature of the fight? Where is the feeling that this fight is a horrible result of betrayals and where is the weight to every blow? No where. Nothing happens in this duel beyond kung fu then defeat. No wounds, no tiring, no change. Just fight fight fight fight fight defeat. Like it if you want but that’s a pretty boring conflict to me.

[@Guitar1nHand]

Jedi anticipating upcoming moves with the force isn't the only thing that allows for the epic choreography. They also know each other/have trained and fought together so much they just understand one another.

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

I am given to understand that normal humans in this galaxy can also do something like that without the aid of thr Force just thru mastery of fighting and basic pattern recognition. You can often sort of predict what move someone might likely make and preempt it. Especially if you know that person intimately.

[@legoferrari14]

"Nothing in the last 30 years in any of the arts has been produced that's as emotionally compelling and significant as the finale of Revenge of the Sith." - Camille Paglia

[@stillbrian9448]

I personally like prequels the best, and Revenge of The Sith is the absolute favorite, one of my all time favorite movies ever

[@bean4596]

Agreed

[@techdesign393]

Its not a popular opinion but I came here to say I absolutely agree! Dare I say, I even enjoyed Anikins fall from the light.

[@grapegod7530]

Same here

[@itschubb6847]

I agree

[@samjackson9560]

I would have to agree. Empire is the best but revenge of the sith is my favourite, followed by a new hope and then empire.

[@Homerstar]

I've never understood the whole "It's choreographed therefore it sucks" argument. Aren't all fight scenes in movies choreographed. Also if it wasn't choreographed it would be boring.

[@tavinbothel5158]

The problem is it's over choreographed it's almost impossible to tell who's winning the point it's just a bunch of flash no substance

[@winstonlewis5630]

Tavin Bothel well no you could easily tell that Anakin was Winning most of the fight

[@tavinbothel5158]

@@winstonlewis5630 hard disagree. It just looks like two guys swinging sticks to me. They look equally powered and I can't tell which hits are heavy and which are light. There's never a point where I think one has the upper hand on the other.

[@winstonlewis5630]

Tavin Bothel wow I really couldn’t tell Anakin was winning when he started choking obi-wan out or I couldn’t tell Anakin when Anakin pushed him all the way out to the spire out dueling him. I really couldn’t tell when obi wan was constantly on the defensive. Cmon bro you don’t have to know much about sword fighting to tell that Anakin was beating him. Every time they got on near each other obi-wan backed away until he got a favorable position and Anakin over estimated his power.

[@minor7805]

@@tavinbothel5158 ding dong opinion is wrong

[@davidharrington5694]

I love it when palpy throws the senate chairs at yoda, he looks like he’s having the time of his life.

[@akselmarazyan3060]

This battle is the unstopabble force meeting the immovable object

[@BigPurp9]

To this day Revenge of the Sith is still my favourite Star Wars movie

[@lacari0805]

I wish I could’ve seen the prequels especially Revenge in cinemas. It’s in my top 3 films of all time

[@crackersdrake8448]

@@lacari0805 I like RotS as well. I was also able to see it in Cinema. I was around 11 I think. That and got to see LotR:RotK in theater as well. Something I'll never forget, even if I couldn't appreciate them nearly as much as I do now

[@lacari0805]

Clarke St. John I was only about 4 when Revenge hit cinemas so it was a few years old when I got to see them all

[@atabaysal3287]

Well, you know..... the competition after that movie is not exactly strong

[@terotolo]

LOL

[@RegularDude]

You really overlooked Anakin's "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" which just made everything so much better, because in that moment it was completely true, and Anakin thought he was in the right.

[@Fanny-ge6ge]

Well, the "from my point of view" sounds a bit weird. Too polite and respectful of his Master’s opinion on the matter while he’s simultaneously trying to kill him...

[@TheAussiePencil]

It's true! From a certain point of view.

[@StateOfTheMind11225]

Fanny H in the end, we still see anakin trying to convince obi wan to join him.

[@sellers737]

funny enough he says this in the story AFTER killing Jedi younglings who were 100% innocent and had done nothing wrong. he himself kills them. he could've let a clone trooper do it but he didn't. realllllly hard to sympathize with him after that

[@dillonc7955]

The Jedi would've had to commit treason to bring down Palpatine with how much power he had. Vader and the clones would've had to kill many jedi and leftover separatists to tie up any loose ends in forming the Galactic Empire. Either side had to do something wrong to get their way.

[@patraciousyt2412]

The it "being a dance and not being able to predict that we'll" that's a major thing meant to be because it shows how well Kenobi (on defence) knows anikan (on offence) so well from their years of friendship

[@jeremiahboyer7321]

I would argue that Obi-Wan isn’t being a coward….he’s being merciful. That is Obi-Wan’s great weakness, mercy. He could have ended Vader but chose mercy.

[@dominickstewart433]

Leaving him to burn like that isn’t mercy. Obi wan either didn’t have the strength to finish it, or he was so angry at his former apprentice he allowed him to suffer. I think it’s the former.

[@colejohnson4376]

@@dominickstewart433 Its weird because it is supposed to be a mercy, and because of Obi-wans mercy Vader lives to serve the Empire, to then be saved by Luke and Vader then destroys the sith as the prophecy foretold and brings balance to the force. This is a common theme in the movies and is related to the Lord of the Rings, with Frodo and Bilbo choosing mercy against Gollum leads to the destruction of the ring, not a moral choice made by the character themselves.

[@dannycarmack2044]

“You should have killed me when you had the chance.”

[@adekunlejosiah2939]

I think obi wan was just hoping Anakin would die from the extreme burning... I don't think he had it in him to finish anakin off personally.

[@skeptic_lemon]

Obi-Wan is close to perfect, this is a much needed and present flaw in his character. He let his old friend live because he was weak. He was weak to end what was a very real threat to the whole universe. Obi-Wan felt that Vader would survive, but didn't choose to believe it. This way he had the best of both worlds. He had the comfort of knowing Anakin was alive, but the bliss of not believing Vader lives as well.

[@DerultimativeOzzy]

Palpatine just throwing the senate around to attack Yoda, while laughting like an absolute maniac is just done so well! You can tell that Palpatine is enjoying the fact he no longer has to hide his powers infront of the very jedi he hated his entire life and he squeezes out as much enjoyment as he could from this battle. He knew he won. He formed the empire and became the emporer. Who cares what people see there. That must have been in his mind. " Who cares." Coming from a man that so carefully planned every step he made on top of the next 10 steps he's about to make. Its short on screentime, but so well done. A villian that in a way earned himself from the audience this enjoyment fighting the good guys. I just love the movie!

[@bulletnotloaded3586]

"throwing the senate around" Hehe *wink wink*

[@jamiebraswell5520]

It is my favorite battle from Revenge of the Sith. And that is saying something since all of the Saber battles are incredible. I love the final battle with General Grievous as well. Those spinning sabers like helicopter blades is scary, lol!

[@alexandercruz9096]

That's great and all, but where's Darth Jar Jar?

[@PhenomResurrections08]

Oh look. Someone who loves the film and then proceeds to provide a great explanation for why they love it. Not that I need you to do that, but it's refreshing to see you're not just an idiot taking shots at the sequel trilogy, and then providing no facts or a sensible argument. Only the standard "am I a joke to you" or the "Nobody:" bit.

[@ezzyshian]

Revenge of the sith might be the best movie of all star wars. From the fights, climax, and the memes

[@sagesheahan6732]

It has the high ground. For sure.

[@jacrispy3275]

A fine motion picture, indeed.

[@RealCatWeekly]

execute order 66 likes!

[@emilydrivick5088]

The senate agrees with your statement.

[@luminaraunduli2791]

My opinion as well. I re-watch it more than the other 5 movies combined.

[@dounce5926]

11:20 "failure most of all" rey: im gonna pretend i didn't hear that.

[@solidpiggy7592]

That intro is something I would re-watch until I die Amazing video!

[@susannalouise5502]

Prequels were my childhood - thank you for capturing the NOSTALGIA! Ewan's perfect as Obi-Wan & have a SOFT SPOT for the dance fighting.

[@kateelliott4371]

Ewan was a brilliant young Obi-Wan.

[@daverobson3084]

So. You liked his increasingly wooden dialog delivery and cringe worthy attempts at humor? To each their own.

[@kylereese1042]

I hear the they look like dancing argument alot, and always felt like they were really trying to kill each other.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

Just because something is from your childhood, that doesn't make it good. Understandably you may have an emotional attachment as your grow up (don't we all!) but part of becoming an adult is realising your childhood wasn't as rosy as you remember (hopefully!).

[@kylereese1042]

@@GonzoTehGreat Why are you lecturing people. She didnt say it was the best thing ever, only that she liked it, is that ok with you, why are you lecturing people on being an adult cause they like a movie.

[@and8091]

ROTJ Luke: "I am a Jedi like my father before me." TLJ Luke: "Lol the Jedi suc"

[@Jim_the_cynic]

😂😂😂

[@appa6610]

and Jedi is big gay

[@mal-g]

TLJ really ruined SW for me... Hopefully The Rise of Skywalker can get me in the SW spirit again.

[@nelisezpasce]

Doesn't episode 9 Luke then tell the girl she should treat the sword with respect? Since Abrams threw out George's outline for the sequels it's only natural that Rian did the same for him. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

[@astashasta1]

and the jedi fucked up. they lost anakin because he couldnt be with his wife or care for his loved ones (his mom), meanwhile using violence to be peacekeepers, and being manipulated by palpatine because they were arrogant. TLJ is about luke coming to term with the failures of the jedi and questions whether to revive the order. movie is eh but overall story is pretty damn good

[@carlosjoyeux4722]

8:41 Obi-Wan didn't choose the cowards way out, he chose to follow his master's teachings (Qui-gon-jin) and leave it up to the force to decide whether Anakin died or not

[@jmace2424]

Yoda’s entrance into Palpatine’s Chambers is easily one of my favorite Star Wars moments and gets a laugh from me every time when he says “Surprised?”

[@Britton_Thompson]

The sequence that's most overlooked is actually Yoda vs. Sidious in the Senate. Lucas's mutual condemnation of both the Jedi & Sith is brilliantly understated in this scene-- In the galaxy's most hallowed spires of democracy, the fate of the Republic is quietly being decided in the dead of night by the heads of warring secret societies with no one else around to witness it. The fate of the galaxy won't be decided by sovereignty or the free will of its citizens, but by a duel between secret mystical orders 90% of the galaxy has never actually seen or encountered before. The citizens have zero say in the matter. The Republic, as an institution, has been a sham all along, and the Jedi played a significant role themselves in getting it to this point. The symbolic storytelling is furthered when Yoda and Sidious each lose their lightsabers. Like the representatives who occupy them, each pod in the Senate represents an individual world in the Republic. By hurling them at Yoda, Sidious is symbolically demonstrating he's willing to use entire worlds as cannon fodder as long as it means destroying those hated Jedi. Final victory is all that has ever truly mattered to Sith or Jedi. Call it a 'republic'; call it an 'empire, it doesn't matter-- this galaxy has only ever been a battlefield, and the civilizations within it have always been the collateral damage.

[@jamiebraswell5520]

Great insight into that awesome clash!

[@CJSeverus93]

This is an excellent description of what took place in Episode III. Very well said!

[@taylor5065]

Why can’t I save comment

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

i am 100% sure lucas is reading this comment of yours at some point, and is gonna be like : well that is a good idea there.

[@Britton_Thompson]

@@taylor5065 You can. Just screen shot it.

[@JustNevaIg]

Don’t say it Don’t say it Don’t say it Don’t say it *Perfectly Balanced As All Things Should Be*

[@sd81a46]

Dew it!!!

[@Bubbly_Dragon]

I used the Jedi to destroy the Jedi! -Palpatine, probably

[@ryanoliveira1438]

Only siths deal in absolutes pal

[@JoshSacapano]

Yes I see you take after me

[@a-random-human-being2311]

I don’t even know what movie that is from (Ik it’s marvel but idk which one) but I liked because it’s a meme

[@D-Grizzly_The_Spitter]

Little did Obi-Wan know, he had been training to fight Anakin his whole life.

[@sith.zerrir]

Elements: Betrayal, brotherhood, volcano. Result: MASTERFUL MOVIE

[@Elneco1]

Just imagine. How many years yall spent hating on the prequels.

[@tripleo4255]

Ya cuz they're awful. Go rewatch the first and come back and tell me how great the characters are and how interesting the story is

[@johnfloyd5969]

J K Well Revenge of the Sith is actually pretty good homie you can't deny that.

[@kaotiqx]

Originals are my favourite but I still really like the prequels, yeah the dialogue was a bit clunky sometimes but I really enjoyed all 3 films from the PT, we got the podrace and duel of the fates from TPM. In AoTC Anakin begins having nightmares about his mother dying and he's too late to save her, so we see Anakin use the dark side for the first time to slaughter an entire village of sand people and not just the men, but the women and the children too. In RoTS, we get to see Obi Wan and Anakin in action together at the start, Anakin duels and kills Dooku, Anakin has more nightmares, about Padme this time and this haunts him as he promised his mother at her funeral he would never fail again and Palpatine takes advantage of this and manipulates Anakin, eventually turning him to the dark side. The duel on mustafar was brilliant and we got the "I have the high ground" and "Dewit!" memes. Now obviously not everyone is going to agree the prequels are good, that's just down to personal opinion. It doesn't matter if you like/hate any of the triologies, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[@odiadordeisrael]

@@tripleo4255 It was AMAZING.

[@mobzillalongtail]

Idk. I just got through watching them again today. They really aren’t awful. Even the phantom menace. Sure there’s clunky dialogue and bad CGI. But I really don’t care about those two. The story was great. They might not be empire strikes back. But they definitely aren’t bad movies.

[@authorofone]

An interesting note is that Anakin’s eyes widen as he watches the HUD of the mask activate, almost like he’s regretting what is about to happen, because he now realises what he’s done. He’s about to be entombed in his hatred, but can’t do anything about it, hence he relaxes and just hopes that he can outlast the consequences

[@alternaterealityspecialist635]

I think he hoped that someone would be able to challenge his power and kill him, so he could leave the destruction and the darkness behind to be with Padme.

[@ade8182]

If you listen closely Anakin says padme help me just before the mask is put on him

[@MDelay180]

@@ade8182 That part gets me every time :(

[@nikotakai8796]

@@ade8182 I hear absolutely nothing.

[@therealneji]

@@ade8182 so that was a lie

[@thestarwarstheorist5066]

they also know each other's moves as they spent so much time together training and on missions

[@eppsilon77]

Obi wan also taught Anakin everything he knows. They literally knew each other’s next move

[@jackhilton8921]

I like how he referred to Vader as Vader and not Anakin because at this point he has actually turned to the dark

[@staylucky4727]

Funny that "vader" actually means father

[@joaovitordallalana5215]

I think anakin never turned himself totally into the dark, he did all the stuff on trying to save Padme's life, so there was still some light inside him like Padme says in her dying

[@DannyHsn]

@@staylucky4727 you dumb?

[@panlis6243]

@@joaovitordallalana5215 Do you seriously believe anybody is like "I really feel like being a horrible human being today"? Anakin let his fear control him. That's what "he turned to the dark" means

[@staylucky4727]

@@DannyHsn it's the dutch word for father. Pick up a book you fool

[@yb6038]

Say what you want about the prequels, they expanded on the lore tremendously

[@trashtie4854]

absolutely. if it was just the original trilogy i honestly don’t think i would care for the franchise as much as i do now.

[@aaronfkckcjc6910]

I think that's why the prequels got so much hate at the time. The original trilogy was focused on small insignificant characters coming up against the all powerful empire...ofc we weren't allowed to know the politics of the empire or they become less scary. The prequels do exactly what they were meant to do...expand the universe, explain how we got to this point, show the politics...It was like a simpler GoT before GoT was a thing.

[@kevint7288]

That's something that I think Battlefront (2015) failed to realize on its release. EA and Disney listened to the loud OT-only fans so much that when they made a Star Wars game, it felt incomplete because it only had half a universe. Imagine if Battlefront II (2004) had done the same thing!

[@odiadordeisrael]

@Isaiah Tufor And who decided that? You?

[@anothermetaphor7586]

@@kevint7288 To be fair, EU fans of star wars (comics, clone wars, videogames) tend to like the prequels, whilst the OT only fans, I find, only really watch the films. Also, battlefront is about big star wars battles, which were in abundance in the prequels, currently in BF2 if you want to play supremacy you have to load into prequel era to find a match

[@theimmoralcookie6344]

I guess Disney forgot about that last bit there.

[@jeronimoepic2946]

I half expected the video to end with the star wars end credits music

[@SkywalkerCentral]

Obi Wan: “ Only a Sith deals an absolutes” But Obi Wan, that is an absolute statement.

[@Jfrost9101]

It's the perfect way to show just how hypocritical the Jedi are. It's the ultimate display of what the prequels were showing the whole time; the Jedi Order's complete and utter failure, to the point of being no better than the Sith, but for different reasons.

[@oinkleberry]

@@Jfrost9101 it's less hypocritical and more oxymoronic. Something can be contradictory yet completely true. Exceptions often prove the rule. Good and evil both deal in absolutes, but that doesn't make them equal

[@maldino2917]

The whole jedi code is absolute statements

[@Nezxmi]

@Gustavo Vasconcelos That's because he clearly recognized how the situation would go. He knew he had to "destroy the Sith" either by turning Anakin or killing him, yet he still avoided that "absolute" by leaving Anakin.

[@Nezxmi]

@@maldino2917 IIRC the original code used to have the word "When" before each statement and is meant to be interpreted as such. As in, "When there is no emotion, there is peace. When there is no ignorance, there is knowledge. When there is no passion, there is serenity. When there is no chaos, there is harmony. When there is no death, there is the Force.", making these more of ideals to achieve rather than absolutes.

[@wun1gee]

Obi-Wan, despite being the perfect Jedi is still a flawed character. He makes mistakes. He is arrogant in his own way. He has attachments (Qui-Gon, Satine, Anakin) and he makes bad choices regarding all of them but that's what makes him so incredibly dynamic and amazing as a character. Also, the entire Jedi order helped turn Anakin when they basically turned their backs on Ahsoka. That scene when Ahsoka is leaving, even though it's animated you can see it on his facial expression. Even then his faith in the Jedi is crumbling.

[@Stego1819]

The Jedi expelling Ahsoka didnt really make sense though to be honest.

[@LazyDev27]

@@Stego1819 ahsoka was expelled, why? Did she become a grey or somethin

[@Stego1819]

@@LazyDev27 It looked like she force choked a prisoner so the republic wanted to bring her before a court but they couldnt until the Jedi had expelled her from the order. They held a meeting if they should do so and apparently most of the council agreed to expell her.

[@LazyDev27]

@@Stego1819 So what, force choking a prisoner isnt a big deal.

[@Stego1819]

@@LazyDev27 I mean the prisoner was killed so murder is kind of a big deal. Although in the end it obviously wasnt Ahsoka but Barriss Offee who killed the guy.

[@simpguy24]

I remember being 9 years old going into the theater. This duel was by far, the most excited I've been for anything in Star Wars. And for me, this is peak Star Wars and no duel for me comes close to being better

[@maniacmatt6641]

That open music is unbelievably great

[@jackwinterson9801]

"they couldn't possibly anticipate the attacks" they are force users. Lightsaber duels are supposed to be a dance of anticipation. They use the force to predict

[@pj5240]

also, they've trained together almost all of Anakin's life. Theyre bound to know what the other is doing.

[@nelisezpasce]

The novelization says Anakin sees a vision of Dooku's death and he thinks the two lightsabers on his neck are his and Obi-Wan's, but that's just another example of someone misinterpreting prophecies.

[@Hafer_]

Pretty much something that's as old as the original trilogy too. Luke was supposed to predict the robot's shots when he was practicing with Anakin's lightsaber under Obi wan

[@ultimateninjaboi]

As a martial artist, I'm SO glad you touched on the fact that movie fights (especially high action films) are not meant to simulate how a fight looks. A real fight is dirty, gritty, choppy, and frequently not all that visually amazing. Even if its HIGHLY trained combatants. Actually, ESPECIALLY if it's highly trained combatants. A film's fights are meant to showcase some emotional or visceral aspect of the affair. They're trying to get you to feel something akin to what's happening. And the really clever ones will also try and throw in some character flavor or building, either by showing off how differently they fight, or how in tune they are with each other, etc. Even when realism is the name of the game, its to serve that emotional feel. And to sum up my feelings on the mustafar fight... a good warrior can read his opponent. See the moves hes going to make, before he makes them. He fights 2 or 3 steps ahead. And when both warriors are doing this, and they know each other nearly as well as they know themselves, the result might as well be a dance.

[@chadmabe7069]

Jackie chan does his own stunts n fights n his movies jet li is fast as shit go watch the behind the scenes of The One they will tell you they had to slow their camera speed down bc jet was to fast an bruce lee is just the greatest of all time i love his movies

[@NumberOneHouseLover]

Not to mention the force canonically gives Jedi/Sith a small level of foresight where they can *literally* see the opponents moves before they occur. It doesn't explain all the spins and stuff, but at least explains why the fight takes so long. I'm a fencer, and while I occasionally have moments of rapid multi-paries a single point usually is scored within a couple seconds of the first blade contact. Of course if I knew the exact thing my oppontent would do to follow up every beat/parry I reckon I could probably parry many attacks in a row, which in the Star Wars franchise is what you see.

[@joeyscalia239]

Thank you!

[@PriceyMango]

I agree. I have been a practitioner of Tang Soo Do for the past 10 years and I was sparring with my friend (who has trained with me since day 1) and we were using bo staffs. It was a very even match. So even that round 1 lasted 5 minutes and neither of us had scored a point (contact to the midsection is 1 point). The match went for 3 rounds with the final score being 3-3. The whole match lasted almost a half an hour so we decided to call it a draw. Anyway, I am saying that we trained together our whole lives, sparred each other, helped each other with forms and strikes, even meditated before class together; and because of this, we were able to kind of tell what the other person was going to do a split second before they did it. Oh and also, we are both E Dans (second dans, or second degree black belts) and when our teacher who is an O Dan (5th degree) was teaching a lesson on sparring with a bo staff, he had the 2 of us come up in front of the class (even though we were getting ready to leave because our class was over) and teach groups of students how to spar. By the end of the class the students sat down on the mat, leaving a large area in the middle of the do jang. The teacher asked the students which 2 students they would like to see in a sparring match (with and without bo staffs) and they all wanted to see me and my friend. Just as my friend and I were about to prepare, the owner of the do jang (and the most senior Dan member) walked in with his wife (the second most senior Dan member). Keep in mind they have been training for well over 25 years and they are Yuk Dans (6th degree). So now the pressures on for me and my friend because not only do we have over 30 students (that we just trained) watching us, we have our teacher and our teachers teacher watching us as well. The match was 1 round and lasted so long, that every one of the students parents was now sitting in the chairs near the mat watching our match. It finally ended when he went for a strike on my midsection and instead of blocking, I moved which knocked him off balance. He stumbled a bit and I took advantage, striking just under his armpit to score the first, only, and final point of the match. To sum up, after the match we were talking and we agreed that our match was similar to the fight on mustafar because of how long we’ve been training together and how we could essentially predict each others next move. Btw this took like 20 minutes to write 😂😂

[@Madferit91]

James Bond vs Red Grant in From Russia with Love has to be one of the all time great realistic movie fights.

[@mayhem2648]

ironic how all sequel lightsabers fights arent as memorable and epic, actually they suck lol the prequels nailed it

[@acegabrielcruz3687]

This is the most ferocious,dangerous, difficult,intense, and legendary duel of all of Star Wars history

[@NarrativeAcademy]

Disney: Nono, actually Rey will be The Chosen One. Fans: Yeah, we're done.

[@dingkong5034]

The Chosen One: Part 2

[@aidankelly9445]

The Discount Chosen one but not really chosen.

[@soggybreadman4035]

Despite the fact that she is Palpatine's grand daughter. Yeah, this is stupid.

[@evertonporter7887]

"You were the chosen one!" - Obi-Wan Kenobi. There is a scene in ROTS where Yoda states that the prophecy about the Chosen One can be misread. Obi-Wan *really* wanted to believe Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. You could see the disappointment in his words as he watched his padawan burn on Mustafar, and with it any hope of Anakin returning to the light. Anakin's fall reflects the fall of man in the biblical Genesis story.

[@dasaiyantv8483]

@@evertonporter7887 Anakin is the Chosen One though. Obi-Wan begins to believe it was Luke, as seen in Rebels, cause of ROTS and all, but in the end Anakin was the one to destroy the Sith as stated in the prophecy. This is further reinforced by TCW, when the Father straight up confirms Anakin is The Chosen One.

[@BubbleBOB1989]

One could also say that Obi-wan's failure was not as momentous as Yoda's, he did indeed fail - but Obi-wan already told Yoda before going to Mustafar that if push came to shove, even if he were to be victorious, he could not see himself being able to kill Anakin. Though through his victory over Vader, tho he did not eliminate the threat of the Sith, he did ruin Sidious's prediction that Vader would grow to become more powerful than Sidious himself - because of the injuries he sustained on that day, Vader was forever doomed to be chained in his masters shadow, never to grow beyond it. Moving on to speculation territory: It is quite plausible that if Obi-wan would have killed Vader, further down the line Luke would quite possibly have been turned to the dark side - to ironically fill his fathers destiny. Without the presence of Vader, Luke would still have been force sensitive, he would still have been trained by Obi-wan and Yoda, he would most likely have gone up against the Emperor, but without the presence and knowledge of who Vader was and how he came to be who he was, Luke wouldn't have taken more care to not become affected by his darker impulses - Remember that Luke did fall to the dark side in RoTJ, he used every bit of hate and anger towards Vader and would have killed him, if he didn't stop and compare himself to Vader in that very moment. If Vader was dead, Luke most likely would have fallen to the dark side, stayed there and would have grown more powerful than then Emperor - to one day replace him as the Dark Lord.

[@steele2015]

Fun fact about Jedi: They have something called force forsight. Which means, if you are powerful enough in the force, you can see a few seconds into the future. You need a lot of concentration to do this, but in combat you can focus your force ability on that and just duel. Hence why it appears that they can predict each other's moves, because they can.

[@SebasTian58323]

Not only have they been training with each other for years, fought side by side in the clone wars, and know each other on a deeply personal level, but the force helps their reflexes and instincts and can show glimpses of the future, which is how Anakin was able to pod race as a child. Of course they'd be able to go head to head like that

[@Holysnowboard]

>obiwan and his master move super fast away from the droids >we never see this used again outside of video games Makes me upset

[@inkeddecker9964]

Luke uses it to outjump vader in empire . its still using the force to move or jump in this case

[@_KillerD_]

Force Speed

[@tristanlambert658]

Zidzan I’m glad it wasn’t used again, it’s frustratingly goofy lol

[@sarnia.3827]

Well in theory, if both are fighting at an enhanced speed... wouldn't they look -- at least to each other to be moving at normal speed? There isn't really a need to show them moving at "super speed" as it would ruin the movie. Not to mention to even block a "laser" they would always be moving at super speed... making them always being seen as moving faster would just make them look like a blur... and wouldn't be fun to watch

[@geo1504]

Palpatine: Throws senate seat at yoda *“I am the senate”*

[@dukeofsomething129]

So...basicly...he threw himself at yoda..

[@seandent8807]

Idk why but this comment was fucking funny

[@PlayerPro119]

not yet

[@dukeofsomething129]

@@PlayerPro119 its treason then...*palpatine rolling intensifies*

[@KazeelBaYz]

@@dukeofsomething129 so he force himself on Yoda....

[@gabrielmurray929]

Yep definitely the best light saber duel ever. Not only is it great choreography and executed well, but it actually is good from an emotion standpoint, two men who have been best friends for 13 years in a fight to the death after Anakin's fall. The only climactic fight in any movie I have felt more emotion for is Steve and Bucky vs Tony in Civil War.

[@taf_ari8507]

Watching this 6 months later but can we note the breaking pain in Yoda's voice when he acknowledges his failure

[@stt5v2002]

Best line: "If so powerful you are, why leave?"

[@jalenbonner8354]

I feel the same that part had me dead. It's a very true statement

[@heathmalone4325]

im the 66 like yes

[@voievodulvlad3285]

he will appear weak if he defeats a green midget manlet

[@LordWyatt]

“You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!”

[@RileyTheSpeedrunner541]

Heath Malone *Excute Order 66*

[@darthplagueis13]

Interesting fact about this duel: Even from a more realistic point of view, many parts of it aren't actually bullshit. Shadiversity has done a monstrous 79 minute video breaking this scene down to every single second of it and whilst there is of course some nonsense in there, surprisingly much of it is fairly valid.

[@user-lv7ph7hs7l]

The one where the first 9 seconds of the fight take up 15 minutes? :)

[@comandantethorn9929]

@@user-lv7ph7hs7l well yes, the fight was like way too fast xd

[@themandalorian2616]

@@comandantethorn9929 I love how in this duel Obi wan punches and kicks at anakin showing how he is forced to break his jedi code further highlighting the tone of failure in this film

[@comandantethorn9929]

@@themandalorian2616 yes, but for me the thing that hits that the most is when Obi Wan says the line "Only a sith deals in absolutes" which in and of itself is an absolute xd

[@Metaphysicist]

@@themandalorian2616 I took that to mean Jedi are trained in hand to hand combat.

[@Skelabird]

I will say the prequels are more memorable than the original trilogy and without them I wouldn’t be the same Star Wars fan

[@blobbything2986]

Damn... in the intro watching the window shatter paired with the music gave me chills

[@makotoplush9776]

The final installment in The High Ground trilogy is complete

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

From a fighting game player's perspective: those few seconds where they're just flourishing their lightsabers around themselves without making contact is akin to two players suddenly stopping in the middle of a tense fight to just hold down-block, as if to bait the other into making the next move in the hopes of having a counter for it and thus gain the upper hand.

[@thesenate7942]

Another take on it is they had precived each others future moves so precisely that they were at a stale mate for a short amount of time

[@edstringer1138]

@@thesenate7942 a "Um" made made Physical?

[@TheRojam12]

@@thesenate7942 that's exactly what I was thinking, like there is little-to-know difference between actually clashing sabers and not. They're both trying to get passed each others' defenses without them being able to react.

[@myles3856]

Ok

[@asian123205]

better than Rey and Kylo!

[@Icybubba]

Wow, Yoda's line "The greatest teacher, failure is." Hits a lot harder now

[@angelotomasi9413]

I think a pretty understated low key fact about the Star Wars universe is that Palpatine’s character is actually the comic relief of the franchise in the classic sense. It’s done subtly but on purpose I think. In the Vader comic #1 he makes a play on words to Vader (the chosen one) being the one chosen to bare the punishment for the first DEATH STAR’s destruction or something along those lines.