THIS Is Why Everyone Is Crazy About The Jeep Avenger

[@origin178]

As soon as he said "this one is £40 grand" I stopped watching - that price is in pure lunacy-land.

[@RichardFraser-y9t]

How much should a new car cost these days? Especially one that is so cheap to run?

[@cbenson513]

@@RichardFraser-y9t 30k for plasticy low-cost ev city car is about the current rate. See mid-spec Peugeot E-208 by Stellantis for comparison.

[@sbomorse]

It costs £1100 for any metallic colour on the model he tested!!!

[@origin178]

​@@RichardFraser-y9t A mid-range VW Polo (R-Line) costs around £25k. If fuel is £1.70/litre and the Polo does 45 mpg, I'd need to drive 87,000 miles to burn up that £15,000 difference in price... and that's pretending the Jeep would cost NOTHING to charge up, EVER! But to drive 87,000 miles in the Jeep at 4.5 miles/kWh, @34p/kWh, the electricty will cost you £6,500! So perhaps the little Jeep could be reasonable priced up to about £30,000, maximum.

[@DJB01]

I can’t (yet) afford any of the cars Fully Charged review, but I’ll still watch the whole video. I mean, come on, it’s Jack. He’s delightful.

[@druste]

Although a bit technical, would appreciate battery chemistry and heat pump info be included in Fully Charged reviews.

[@sun-man]

Exactly. You are essentially buying a battery when you buy an EV.

[@LadAussie]

Battery Chem is a key consideration for EV selection.

[@jvoric]

@@LadAussie so you’re putting battery chemistry over range being the most important thing when buying an EV?

[@MatteoSaitta]

It’s NMC and yes respectively

[@druste]

@@jvoric correct 👍

[@aldoc2597]

Too expensive

[@EPeltzer]

Especially considering this only has a 50 kilowatt-hour battery.

[@grantcrerar7590]

Just got my Avenger last week, your review is spot on the good and the bad.

[@ReflexVE]

Got mine in October and fully agreed. Love it so much.

[@SurfarenTM]

Regarding the talk about the price at the end. I would say no, that's not the point. The point, in most companies, is to make as much money as possible for their shareholders. This means that they will charge whatever they think people will pay for the product, while trying to minimize costs.

[@PAOwens]

True, so if Fully Charged really want to see prices come down to 'real prices' their reviews should not rave about cars that are over priced. Jack seems to be enthusiastic about EVERY EV. His 'clapometer' shows FULL for everything he reviews and by now is not a valuable gauge of anything. Don't get me wrong I love his enthusiasm, but if your fuel/electric gauge always showed "FULL" it wouldn't take long before you'd start to think you can't really trust that in your decision making. For some of us an extra 10 grand is a LOT of money just for 'a shelf to put "stuff" on ' that you would normally put in the glove box out of sight keeping the dash tidy. 🙂

[@David_Polak]

​@@PAOwens ​@PAOwens He's enthusiastic about every EV because Fully Charged is there to promote EV's in general and the transition to sustainable energy use. It's not for critical car reviews. And that's fine as long as you know it.

[@richardblakey3345]

Small, daily runabout with no rear leg room and 220 mile range for £40K, but you get a shelf to dump your 💩 in & only 2 moves to switch lane assist off. Stellantis are still way off the mark.

[@stevenjones916]

Half of the glovebox is taken up by the fuse box on RHD cars so the shelf is a necessity.

[@theproffessional9]

Honestly, this car should have topped out at around £32k.

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

Small? How is it small, exactly?

[@Cowcow211]

@@ZarlanTheGreen I have a Peugeot e-2008 and I'm 6'1 and can sit behind the Drivers seat alright. I would say though my head scrapes the roof in the rear passenger seats. I have to lower the driver's seat so I can comfortably drive it.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

I think Stellantis will find a few “marks”

[@NeilBlanchard]

In addition to 1-pedal driving - we should also be able to coast when we lift our right foot. This is the most efficient - think how we ride a bicycle. Regen is great - for when we *need* to slow down. But much of the time, coasting is better - because you accelerate less and using the moving mass of the vehicle - to move the car forward - is the most efficient way to do that.

[@AndrewHelgeCox]

I haven't driven an EV. Is there not a zone in the middle of the pedal's travel at which there is neither power input to the motor, not drawn off with regen? I suppose there would need to be a clever clutch to disengage the motor from the drivetrain to allow it to freewheel and then re-engage to regen, and do it all seamlessly as the pedal moves through its range of motion.

[@fusflash1]

All the VW ID cars do that, in D mode while having the benefit of regen kicking in when the sensors/GPS detect cars, bends, roundabouts etc.

[@NeilBlanchard]

@@AndrewHelgeCox Yes, but this takes effort, and you can't do it as well as just lifting your foot.

[@NeilBlanchard]

@@fusflash1 Well - yes and no. We have had 2 e-Golfs and they did this. But our ID.4 only does it on the highway. On smaller roads, it has variable regen on down slopes; and only coasts on level ground, which misses much of the point. Hyundai and Kia EVs have coasting modes which is great. But they default back to mild regen each time you start the car.

[@AnonYmous-rw6un]

​​​@@NeilBlanchardWe have a US Kona EV and at startup my wife puts it into Sport and reduces regen to 0 with the right regen paddle. I drive Eco which I have saved to 3. The option is good. And lane keep is off because my wife found it annoying. We don't have ACC or lane following.

[@8antipode9]

You tell it Jack. I've got a 2020 Kia Niro EV, and there's NO WAY to turn off Lane Keep Assist other than turning off the cruise control. I love my car, I love Adaptive Cruise Control, but the two features on my car that makes it considerably worse are Lane Keep Assist and the backup alert sound, which on my year / model is unreasonably loud.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

I don't understand what you're saying. I have a 2019 e-Nirol here in France, one of the first to come into the country and I can turn off LCA using a button just to the left of the steering wheel. The problem is that the button is obscured by the steering wheel. Cruise control default is OFF and LCA still works when cruise is off.

[@8antipode9]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 In US models that button does not exist

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

@@8antipode9 Really!!...So you can't turn it off at all? I live in rural France which has mostly empty back roads, some with white lines down the middle, some not. If the road has a white line the LCA is a pain so I turn it off. The button cannot be seen from the driving position but I've had the car nearly 5 years now so I know where to hit it. Hope yours has been good, ours is at 91,000 km now..55,000 miles?...and it's been rock solid so far.

[@8antipode9]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 If the cruise control is on, then the lane keep is on (so technically yes, you can turn it off). It's a real nuisance when you pass by an off ramp and the car sees that shoulder line running off and the wheel gently jerks to try and send you down the offramp. I spent a while Googling to figure out a way to use cruise without lane keep, and it does not seem to be possible (also where I learned of the button on the EU models). Overall though, I love my car and would say hands down it's the best car I've ever owned.

[@reduxith]

You can turn it off. Press and hold the LDA button. It’s the same for all of Hyundai/Kia products.

[@atreyuidaho]

Hey Jack, thanks for this honest review! I just wanted to mention 2 things: 1- the MG 4 is about 5 inches bigger (going to the rear space) and 2- the Fully Charged Show has not yet mentioned the new Citroen ë-C3, another step in the right direction for Stellantis. New platform, new 83 kw motor, new 44 kwh LFP battery for under 23000€. I hope you’ll have a presentation of that car soon! 😀👍

[@WhiteEvo6]

This isn’t an honest review, it’s an Ad to recover from the clusterfuck the Jeep Avenger Carwow video was a few weeks ago that was pulled as the car kept breaking down. Don’t believe this review, Jeep can’t even provide owners parts for existing ICE vehicles, highly questionable video

[@atreyuidaho]

@@WhiteEvo6 well, it’s not an ICE car, so no problem with existing ICE parts! And Carwow must have had a car that was not ready to be driven, just bad luck. All the others have also appreciated the Avenger! If you don’t like it, so be it, but he was honest in his review, that’s for sure!

[@JackScarlett1]

e-C3 video coming tomorrow matey. Pretty mind-blowing thing - 10k cheaper than its Stellantis siblings. Stay tuned.

[@atreyuidaho]

@@JackScarlett1 great! Looking forward to it!!! 👍

[@stevenbilclough2563]

Indeed bigger car is bigger in shock result...

[@josephmelskens836]

In the Netherlands I just bought the Avenger Summit for 44k euro/ 37k GBP (incl. VAT) and we love it in stone grey metallic, with electric/heated leather front seats and other luxuries.

[@firkin1024]

I'm looking to change my Renault Captur & go EV in the next few months & so far, this is top of my list as gone are my days of needing a big family car. I like Jacks reviews as i'm a tall bugger like him so I get a real life idea of interior size & headroom.

[@kevinallibone9214]

100% agree with your lane assist rant. I drive a 2009 Mini Cooper which I hope to replace soon with an electric car but I’m dreading the enforced tyranny of the lane assist system. Surely Euro NCAP should rethink its stance when most drivers turn it off every time they get in their car.

[@logicalChimp]

Yus - it's another 'safety feature' that works in the labs (and gets cars a good 'active safety score') but doesn't work on the road.

[@lakshmandalpadado9066]

I have a Jeep Renegade Limited and I can switch off Lane assist, Traction control and blindspot warning . And the Renegade is the only car that has not anything repaired or replaced in five years.

[@ruudfalun]

There are EV's out there with excellent lane assist systems. I never turn off mine..

[@lakshmandalpadado9066]

I have a renegade - I can switch of most driver assist functions if I don't 't need it. I particularly love the Lane assist function . It's a life saver. If the driver falls asleep on the motorway /expressway the car immediately corrects the direction and gives a vibrations through the steering wheel.

[@joshuaknight1748]

Full length shelf eh! Like a sIII Land Rover from about 1971. Somewhere you can put stuff that doesn’t slide into the footwell the first corner you go round. I approve

[@yvan2563]

I'm glad to see some companies are not jumping into the touchscreen-for-everything train and are instead keeping actual physical buttons for essential controls.

[@luciflash]

For normal people, 5miles/kwh is 12kwh/100km.

[@JasperPauwels]

I prefer km/kWh myself, you just have to multiply it by the net battery capacity to figure out the range.

[@blakoemail]

Thank you

[@JackScarlett1]

HOW IS THAT EASIER

[@manikdesign]

My vivaro e life 8 seater bus 3000kg does 2.9mile per Kw this car is half the size should do minimum 6kw mile

[@logicalChimp]

@@manikdesign It might be half the size, but it's not half the frontal area (which has a massive impact on range and efficiency at speed)

[@andybrice2711]

My parents bought a Suzuki Ignis recently. It's so practical. It makes a lot of sense to build a car which is shaped like an SUV, but the size of a hatchback. You get extra room and height, but without the footprint.

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

No. You get way more room, and height (internally), if you have an actual hatchback, instead of a crossover. SUVs and crossovers have many drawbacks, and zero benefits. A hatchback more room, even if they are smaller (and if it doesn't have enough room: Get an estate/station wagon!), all the while being far lighter, and easier to get in and out of.

[@andybrice2711]

​@@ZarlanTheGreen I'm not sure what you're basing that on. I'm pretty certain the Ignis is a lot roomier than hatchbacks with a comparable footprint, like the Swift or the Hyundai i10. When I say "height" I mean driving position. I don't know about the headroom.

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

@@andybrice2711 I checked, and the Ignis only has four seats, unlike the other cars you mention. It has a little more space, in the boot/trunk, but not nearly as much as the space in the fifth seat, of the other two cars. As for having a higher position: That has no notable, actual, benefit.

[@JackScarlett1]

Love an Ignis me

[@andybrice2711]

Ahh, yeah, it is a shame they removed the 5 seat option. The boot is pretty huge though. I vastly prefer the high driving position. Firstly, the seats are at buttock height. So you don't have to climb in and out. Secondly, I'm sure it's easier to judge distances when you're higher up. I've heard people claim that science says otherwise. But I'm entirely unconvinced by their reasoning. Stereoscopy plus triangulation seems a lot more effective than stereoscopy alone. Both intuitively and logically.

[@mikadavies660]

Whilst the Jeep is close to £40,000 and it sounds like a very large sum for a small car, there may be a way to bring that down to a more manageable amount. I have a similar Citroën E-C4 and new it was just over £36,000... However, I lease it for just £265/mth after placing £1,250 as a deposit. It is a totally practical family runabout. Maybe, in a few months this Jeep could be leased for around £300/mth? Please note that my previous petrol bill was £150/mth and my electric bill is around £40/mth.... Saving £100/mth.... You could argue this off the lease cost?? So a new Jeep for around £200/mth...!! Cheap, efficient and stylish motoring!!

[@rcajavus8141]

or a new ec3 for 23k on the road

[@mikadavies660]

@rcajavus8141 Indeed... the EC-3 could be a best seller when it comes out in 2024. Hopefully, it won't be too small.

[@BMWHP2]

Thanks for the fun item. We used to own many "jeeps", different sizes and forms, like Landcruiser, but also a small fun Suzuki LJ80 and even several VW 181. But they never ever looked like some boring SUV. Avenger will start at €38.500. Not impressive at all, but expansive. We have good hopes for the Citroen eC3, situated in the B-class. It will cost around €24.000 and have a 320-km range and 100kW fast charging. THAT is impressive, AND affordable.

[@A_Litre_of_Farva]

The styling is genius. I didn’t realize how small it is until he is standing next to it, being 6’ 4” (?)

[@cbenson513]

40k? No way I get this over a Volvo EX30. Which is what I likely move to from my Peugeot E-208. Shameful that Stellantis doesn't have 1-pedal driving by now.

[@JackScarlett1]

EX30 review inbound shortly 😘

[@cbenson513]

@@JackScarlett1 Dead chuffed about that!

[@kelvinfaulkner3183]

I think you should always start with the price so, for those of us who are not able to even consider the expensive vehicles, we can decide right away whether it's worth watching.

[@origin178]

You're right of course... but doing that would immediately slash their viewing figures in half! Quentin Wilson admitted EV prices were a major issue, but they still like to ignore the issue in their reviews.

[@ms-jl6dl]

I hope you skip all podcast about cars over 20,000£. Maybe Bike Show is something for you?

[@kelvinfaulkner3183]

@@ms-jl6dl I'm not sure if you meant to be critical of what I said or not, but it came across as such. Are you suggesting that people like myself should not watch the channel because we are too poor to afford such an expensive vehicle, or we should watch all vehicle reviews regardless of the price so we can feel sh*t when we come to learn that a great vehicle being reviewed is beyond our resources to even consider buying? I have been watching this channel for 5+ years not only for the vehicle reviews but all the other great content. Aren't I allowed to make a suggestion of the content?

[@ragingsilver]

Aren't all those brands known for not great reliability? lol Saying that though, I like the looks of the car and the fact it's small and electric is good!

[@NisseOhlsen]

my friend has an 8v Fiat Punto that he bought second hand for the equivalent of 4500 Euros. It's done more than 280000 kilometers, more than 150000 since my friend bought it 3 years ago. It's never let him down. And worn parts are dirt cheap to replace. I'd call that INCREDIBLE value for money. Operating costs are largely gas and insurance which is dirt cheap as well, since the engine is only a 1.2 liter. plus, he gets great gas mileage.

[@kristoffer3000]

@@NisseOhlsen Nice anecdote, shame it means literally nothing in reality.

[@NisseOhlsen]

@@kristoffer3000 so you think that reality means nothing in reality ?

[@speedstrn]

Jeep is a top offroad brand. As in you see them pulled off to the side of the road all the time because they broke down.

[@NisseOhlsen]

@@speedstrn this platform is tried and tested. The Peugeot e-208 and the Opel Corsa Electric have run it for more than 3 years with tremendous success.

[@BytemanNL]

I ordered my Jeep Avenger 28th of February 2023. I am still waiting… So, I console myself watching these reviews. Glad to see that I made a right choice. Bit sad that I can’t experience it yet. But hey, patience is a virtue😁 Anyhow, thanks for this review, Jack!

[@timsmith5339]

I have to agree that it is a stand out car. It caught my eye as soon as I saw it and I am neither a Jeep fan nor an SUV fan, it is just a characterful and practical car. I agree also with the notion that some car features don't get properly scrutinised before going into production. Cars have been around long enough to get the basics right and even though new features pop up from time to time - cup holders for example - surely there is no need to re-invent anything just for the sake of it. I've just started a list of things that I like but aren't yet universal even though it is a no brainer to have them. The drive selector should be as found in the BMW i3 and now in VW IDs too. No arguments, that is just how it should be! Sunglasses holder. Still not universal and yet so useful. A glove box that you might be able to fit more than a pair of gloves in (at least it should have some room left after putting the handbook in there). A spare wheel or a space saver at the minimum. This should be top of the list, don't know why I left it so long. Front storage. Even a front wheel drive multi platform car like this should be able to find room for charging cables but more room would be appreciated for emergency items and/or muddy boots. Rear wheel drive. Not only does it make for a better balanced drive with no real downsides (I got through many severe winters with RWD, just put a bag of sand in the boot, it puts a bit more weight over the drive wheels and could be good for sprinkling on the road too). The upsides are many, the driving feel and balance already mentioned, bigger front storage, tighter turning circle, less spinning of the front wheels especially in EVs and therefore quicker and safer getaways. I love the driver display in the VW ID3 that moves with the steering wheel - genius. Real buttons and knobs. I know that Teslas system works well but that is the exception that proves the rule. If your not 110% confident that your software is well designed and responds instantly, don't risk ruining your car, just fit real buttons, and not haptic ones either. Finally, put efficiency higher on the list of development goals. Too many manufacturers make their cars only as aerodynamic or light as they feel they can get away with. It is such a desirable quality to have an efficient car, it's a marketable feature.

[@dereknicol5284]

I'll be surprised if they sell many at that price.

[@stoapfalzrunden4150]

Thx Jack, good to know its not an Opel/Vauxhall problem with the lane keep assist, its a stellantis problem. Or a general problem. Funny thing is every car has different problems with LKA. While our Mokka E tries to murder us on streets without road boundary marks the MG4 wants to murder me if there are too many lines like in highway construction sites. So first thing my wife and i do after starting the car: deactivate that piece of ... murdertech. Sidenote: thats a point for Vauxhall/Opel because i can deactivate it with a BUTTON! YES! Praise them for the button! (After curse them for the "feature")

[@andymccabe6712]

Soo...it just needs to be £22,000....and it would be fantastic....!! ...however.........

[@RichardFraser-y9t]

How much do you think new cars built in western factories that pay their employees properly?

[@kristoffer3000]

@@RichardFraser-y9t None of them pay their employees properly, that's literally core to capitalism.

[@marviwilson1853]

Wait 5 years more or so and it will be this price.

[@tasarlapar456]

​@user-sd3ik9rt6d it's not communism 😂 if customer is not satisfied, nobody cares how much western factories pay to employees.

[@craigjenkins3297]

Thank you Jack for your great reviews. The big feature lacking on all the smaller, cheaper EVs is the total absence of ability to put a towbar on. We have to keep a petrol car until we can have an EV with towbar. Can you comment on that in all your reviews please.

[@MorrisTart]

Plus points: (1) rear charging port (2) a sensible sized less intrusive screen (3) real buttons (4) great range (5) non-claustrophobic front seat environment. Bad point, I agree with Jack: One pedal regen driving is now a must for me. I have a new measure for driving acceptability: how quickly can I turn off the dangerous Lane Assist madness after putting the key in? My E-Up! has a dedicated LA-off button in reach from the steering wheel, so this Jeep will be slower than that, but much better than those cars that bury it down two levels of the in-car screen menu.

[@Mr00Chief00]

I just love the playfulness of the intererior with that coloured bar across the dashboard in the same colour as the exterior, similar to what you see in the FIAT 500 etc.

[@jamesallen5850]

What a fabulous review!

[@JacanaProductions]

Love how in the US we have a daring journalist drive up a steep almost vertical rock wall outside of Moab, UT and in the UK it's white knuckling it through an almost level grass field!

[@kooooons]

UK to EU translation Service: 5 mi/kWh is about 12,5 kWh/100km

[@andrewchesney]

£40,000 crazy!

[@The_Hero_Is_Back]

Let’s shop around. Hyundai Kona electric from £35k. Renault Zoe from £30k. Citroen e-C3 will be under £25k. Jeep are trading on the name.

[@CRAZYCR1T1C]

40k for a small car? Inflation is painfully obvious.

[@realidadaparte]

Not every Stellantis lack of one pedal driving. The 500e has a “range” mode which is basically one pedal driving. And BTW, one pedal driving is indeed a must, not a pedantic complaint.

[@54mgtf22]

Love your offroad work, Jack. Just like the telegraph track on Cape York.😂 But, I want more car than that for my money. It cost 2 MG4s.

[@pacmania1982]

Mine is on order. Just waiting for it to get built. HURRY UP!!

[@JakeRichardsong]

In the States, a new Tesla Model 3 can be had for about $30k with incentives and has much better range. Also has access to Tesla chargers.

[@iamthatiam44444]

They really don't want to sell these cars, do they!? The cost is ridiculous.

[@adinitu81]

Guys... You are being watched all over the world. Please put in also the metric system values when talking about distance, range etc. We, the rest of the world, would highly appreciate this. Thx

[@designgauge]

Nice review. And a very cool design. At first glance it looks like better looking version of the full-size Jeep Wagoneer. But then when Jack steps in front of it (4:10), his height combined with the wide-angle lens view, makes the car look tiny - like a little child's pedal car!

[@ryankwan1934]

Jeeps always have nice little easter eggs. It's always nice letting the designers have fun with their work.

[@sullysullivan1187]

This reviewer is really living life. Curtains and an Umbro shirt. He’s cool. He’s trendy.

[@ShortVersion1]

I had a Jeep Renegade when we first got an EV, and honestly I just want Stellantis to go bankrupt. Their service/dealership system is so toxic, in the states at least. You've got to think... these are the same people who have been flooding the world with mediocre 4-door wranglers and haunting us with trashy chargers and challengers for decades.

[@JakeRichardsong]

Haunting? Lol. and who is us? You mean you?

[@Leo99929]

PREACH! I feel like the user interface on most cars was designed and tested by the same people who decided what it should d, so they think it's brilliant, but most people coming to it with fresh eyes find it unintuitive and often actively a pain to use.

[@MatteoSaitta]

Notes from an avenger owner 3:33 Jeep Avenger is either pure petrol or full electric, the Fiat 600 will have a hybrid variant. 6:54 The reversing camera doesn't have any protections so mud, dust or rain will make it sorta useless, requiring you to get out and clean/dry it 15:01 There are no climate control in the back, not even a duct from the front so whoever is in the back needs to rely on the front heated seats for comfort in the winter or whatever gust of wind from the main hvac outlets on the dash in the summer Your car seems to be equipped with the optional leather + electric control seats, i'd love to hear feedback on them. My first edition couldn't be specced with them and every local dealer wouldn't stock them so it has been a nagging thought since ordering it if they are any good or not.

[@stevenjones916]

Mild hybrid or BEV.

[@MatteoSaitta]

@@stevenjones916 The 1.2 GSE T3 (or PureTech if you prefer PSA branding) engine doesn't even have the mild hybrid part. It's a simple petrol engine.

[@matthewgribule5498]

A beautiful car to drive and so comfortable,the miles is great and feels bigger than it is. I would recommend this Jeep to anyone.

[@mikemellor759]

Thanks Jack 👏👏

[@PAOwens]

Really enjoy all your videos. Can I make a tiny request. It would really help if *at the start* of your car reviews you tell us quite plainly and promptly; 1. the M/KWH, 2. the range and 3. the price. This video for example waits to be half way through to casually mention the vehicle "is a 40 grand car" I'm sure I don't speak for a small percentage of your audience when I say these are the most important factors that ALL ELSE hang on. We may well still watch the video (who knows we might win the lotto and now all the other stuff is relevant :-) But I'd rather know up front that; everything you are about to hear only exists in fantasy land (because you can't afford it) - rather than entertain the idea that the car is attainable only to be shattered after watching (or half watching) the video. And as a post script - you get three quarters of the way through to find out it's an electric build over an ICE car so there is less space! For those of us really looking to try our best to get into electric car ownership we need a slimmed down version of these kinds of reviews so we can save time. Having watched this video I now know I would never buy this car even if I had the money so in that sense it has served it's purpose. But I think if I'd had the relevant info right at the start I could have come to that conclusion within 1 minute instead of 19.

[@fangitjoe]

You are dead right about the price being the serious problem with this car. At a sensible price the Stellantis products would be decent EVs for many people but who in their right mind would choose them over far higher spec and higher tech offerings from Tesla and the Chinese brands for the same price? I am convinced Stellantis is happy to keep their EV sales to a minimum and slow down the transition away from ICE vehicles for as long as possible.

[@logicalChimp]

Stellantis look to be making *excellent* second-hand EVs... by which I mean, you'll be able to pick up a pretty decent EV for peanuts second hand, given their apparent depreciation...

[@tasneemchoudhury]

Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS Automobiles, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, Vauxhall

[@bernardfender5147]

It's a Jeep! No. 40k? NO NO NO. As for car of the year... How much did they pay for that😅😅😅

[@cannygrowabeard]

We need a jack long term impressions of the old Polestar 2, having lived with it for a couple of years now

[@AdamPearce]

Jack - your enthusiasm for giving a vehicle a fair shake is a joy. No the car for me - but I can think of a few people this would fit well.

[@michaeljohnson-li5nn]

Anyone else noticed the Carwow review of this particular car has completely vanished of KZbin. It was given a bit of a slating as it had few mechanical/electrical issues, but Carwow should have the courage of its convictions and keep the review up.

[@jamespaul2587]

Agreed, but concerns should be directed to CarWow

[@zlatanmorrison8182]

Good styling job on the interior and exterior of that - looks excellent. Shame about the price....

[@filipepaninho6558]

I really like the Avenger, but not for Tesla Model 3 money...

[@leegersch]

Love this review.

[@IrenESorius]

Thanks Jack,, 👍‍‍🌟👍‍‍

[@EliotHochberg]

A little dubious about the assertion that it's the batteries that make non-Chinese vehicles more expensive. Instead, I think there are better causes we can identify: 1) Labor - every other item that is made in China vs. any western country is cheaper because of cheap labor. 2) Subsidization - the CCP has identified, for whatever reason, that making EVs is good for China and their export market, and have adjusted their industrialization accordingly. 3) Sharing tech across companies - this one I have less evidence of, but it seems reasonable that, the way Chinese businesses operate, there is a lot more tech sharing than in western "capitalist" countries. Yes, Chinese companies compete with each other, but their intellectual property laws are a lot more lax than in the west. As a result, western companies have a lot more expenses reinventing the wheel, so to speak, with EV drivetrains. 4) Yes, the batteries may be less expensive, but for a different reason: I'm willing to wager that the materials that make up Chinese batteries cost those companies less. 5) And then, on the fault of the west's side, EVs are competing more with existing ICE sales. When a consumer doesn't have an ICE vehicle to choose from, they are going to get an EV. In China, while there are plenty of ICE vehicles, most of their OEMs are pure EV plays. Thus, they aren't comparing the cost of the EV development and sales with ICE vehicles. Western OEMs are investing in two or more powertrain lines, and so they divide up their revenue accordingly. This makes EV development appear more costly vs sales.

[@richardhargrave6082]

Totally agree with your NCAP comments

[@supamario3055]

No surprise it was a gushing review. Stellantis dont like any negative comments. Wouldnt touch any Stellantis product with a 10 foot pole.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

A 10 foot Pole would really make this car look small…

[@austinedwards1918]

you made a good point about tch in a car. I have had cars as well as my wife where afyter a while you only use the basics which apply to you for your own comfort. For example Lane assist got but never used it, blind spot feature never used it need i go on. We are bamboozled into options we really wont use in the long yterm or just switch off because they become annoying.

[@rogerbrand6214]

How and why did a car that no one outside of Stellantis had driven get WORLD Car of the Year?

[@av_oid]

$$$ changed hands?

[@bw1376]

Pre-production models were driven by automotive journalists on and off road, along with all the other cars that were applicable for the award, before they voted upon it. One of the journalists involved in the process spoke openly about driving it and what he liked and didn't like about it. It nearly always work this way, whether you like it or not. Perhaps you can start your own award scheme if you don't like it?

[@rogerbrand6214]

@@av_oid seems possible. It's just another body on an adapted platform that most people, including Jack, will just give an "It's not bad" comment. It's not even going to be sold in the USA.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

“WORLD” is a little-known sub-brand under Stellantis’ umbrella.

[@neerajsaxena]

I'm a Jeep fan, and this one looks fantastic. A sleek and elegant design as always for Jeep cars, EV makes it a bit more eco-friendly and rider-friendly.

[@em0_tion]

Looks pleasant & inoffensive. I can see why people like it. 😉👍

[@bilgyno1]

Oh common man, this thing starts at €39.500 in Holland. For a small B segment crossover with only 400 km WLTP. The Citroën ë-C3 is a way better deal for a car that size.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

The lack of one pedal driving is a serious defect to me, as a long time EV driver who rather likes regen. It might have just been the camera mount, but the car seemed loud and rattly.

[@gilesa.4052]

Wasn't this the car that had a review so bad on carwow the review suddenly vanished off the channel?

[@dodgemf1]

Anyone not pushing the EV agenda will righty point out that this is utter trash on wheels and advise people to avoid it like the plague.

[@neiljessop3510]

Well Look Here. 1958 Morris Mini Shelf, reinvented. Practical and exciting 65 years later. Well done the Auto Industry.

[@kodak_jack]

SUV's only need to be able to get through snow in areas so blessed. We have been forced into vehicles we really don't need. Bring back decent sedans and they'll likely sell - just like they used to! Mini wagons need to make a resurgence for those needing to haul "stuff".

[@r5LgxTbQ]

I really like that yellow. It's what I wish the EX30 had instead of the pallid "Moss Yellow"

[@EugeneLambert]

Tempted ... until I heard the price. Interesting and loads of great lines, as always.

[@Harrythehun]

Far too expensive! No additional value over the competition. Will sell some to enthusiasts but the rest of us will not buy it.

[@hughmnyks]

Thanks Jack. Sharp indeed!

[@grantnyenes3742]

£40k ouch, just not sure how that could compete with model 3 for the same price…

[@bw1376]

Some people just don't want a 'Made in China' Tesla.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

FORTY GRAND??? I wouldn’t pay that for Tardis!

[@robertq55403]

Great job Jack!

[@Gomisan]

e-C3 instead .... same group, but almost 1/2 the price!!

[@nickfarrington2390]

I wonder if they could do one pedal driving through an update. I really like these but won't buy one without one pedal driving...

[@ddally8851]

It does look like the perfect vehicle for a child to throw up in.

[@theairstig9164]

Is the top of the battery case part of the rear passenger floor? If so, when the battery develops a fault, will it vent gas in to the passenger compartment? Asking for a Jeep 4xe owner

[@PaulADAigle]

You lost me with the Hybrid design.

[@forestrybasics7240]

How does this compare to the newly announced Citroen eC3 that is about 23 000euros and appears to have similar specs?

[@chunderground9880]

It needs to be 12k cheaper to sell in quantity

[@nicomonkeyboy]

My FIat Panda had a full-width shelf 30 years ago

[@8bitbender495]

The fiat 600e comes with LFP batteri from BYD, just until stellantis gets their factory up and running but is it with Jeep Avenger too?

[@dcvariousvids8082]

The Avenger has a NMC pack Lithium-Nickel Manganese Cobalt, LiNiMCo. Less weight & more energy-dense than LFP. Thermal runway at 220°C/104.44°F. Good for long lifecycle and high loading. Whereas an LFP pack Lithium Iron-phosphate_ LiFePO4. Heavier than NMC but less energy-dense, equalling less potential range, (especially in cold) than packs with cobalt. And due to less valued chemistry, LFP packs are potentually less likely to be recycled. Thermal runway at 270°C/518°F. Good for durability 2,000+ 80% discharge cycles.

[@8bitbender495]

@@dcvariousvids8082 I would still rather have LFP batteries, they are only about 100 kg heavier, and can still be charged as quickly as most NMC batteries, so they have twice as long a lifetime

[@joeymacme]

I'm sure its a very good car... like most Stellantis cars. Unfortunately it's a "Jeep" in name only. It has the ground clearance of a turtle! Now, an electric Suzuki Jimny or SWB Pajero would be great.

[@ajackofspades]

The Jimny could only fit a small battery so wont really be viable

[@joeymacme]

@@ajackofspades Most EV's have a much larger battery capacity than is required to complete the vast majority of journeys. It's mostly down to marketing that cars come with a lot more than 60kwh capacity. Even a 40kwh battery would more than cater for most Jimny drives. They're not long distance cruisers.

[@kleeenco]

Bring this to the US Jeep!

[@lukalukic1]

"Everyone crazy about" 20.000 units ordered since 2022. ( Full Ev version)

[@liamtingle2762]

There’s more important points at hand. It doesn’t matter how efficient or cheap EVs become. Markets are forcing better battery technology to constantly be produced. The big energy companies are never going to lose out. So the price of electricity will continue to rise until it costs the same or more as running a Petrol or Diesel. Your home energy bills will continue to sky rocket and will rise more and more as renewables grow. Make a program about the problem in hand.

[@Grommet2007]

Hmm...I thought that the prices of electricity are actually going down, as more companies move to using renewable options. In any case, I've got a solar install on my house, so I don't really care that much about what prices the "big energy companies" want to charge for electricity.

[@danielsondiecastracing]

Simply absurd that it's not being sold in the US

[@dsp4392]

US safety regulation mandates that all vehicles should be able to mow down cyclists without them suffering. This doesn't pass the test as it barely cripples them.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

STLA figures Avenger would tarnish the brand…

[@DZ-cm5xw]

It is an insult to Jeep brand

[@theairstig9164]

Stellantis would be sued out of existence in a year

[@TheAutomotiveReview]

This is the styling to replace the North American Jeep Cherokee if it is up sized by 50% to the size of a Wrangler platform or the current Cherokee as a PHEV or BEV.

[@drunkenhobo5039]

Surely this would be the perfect car for Robert? I hear androids dream of electric Jeep.

[@ToppyTree]

Is the merger to reduce costs or increase profits?

[@Erikkrols]

Both I suppose…

[@richardnedbalek1968]

As for Jack, he’s the best! 😉 As for this Jeep, too many better alternatives at this price. Next! 🤨

[@rcpmac]

That is pretty cool but I find myself wanting an i3 more every day. Nothing compares in my estimation.

[@kenzohkw]

until you want to open the back doors and realise you can't without opening the front as well lol

[@sbomorse]

£1100 for any metallic colour on the Summit model!!! The other options aren't cheap either. Avarice is the biggest turn off for car buyers.