FUNCTIONAL FRIDAY recoil assembly

In this video I go over considerations when it comes to recoil assemblies with cycle timing spring weights and guide rod materials.

[@johnr3443]

I can't believe that I just found your videos after all of these years, but now I'm watching a few every night. I've been Glock to the core for almost 25 years now. Very informative and even after being a Glock certified armorer for a few years, and running USPSA matches for several years on a monthly basis, I'm learning more now than I ever had before! Thanks!

[@chipsterb4946]

I want to give a shout out to Johnny for helping me with a problem, despite the fact that I am not a customer yet and the problem had nothing to do with his products or services. TL:DR Johnny helped me diagnose a safety problem and confirmed my conclusion that the problem actually was the aftermarket slide. He had NO obligation to spend 10 seconds helping me, but he read 3 emails and watched a very short video. 👍 I detail stripped a new slide after 2 range trips and examined all of the parts for unusual signs of wear. The shelf on the safety plunger looked chewed up a bit. Johnny has taught me to immediately ask “Why?” The slide failed the safety plunger test - it did not consistently return to full reset position. Johnny told me where I could find a Glock OEM safety plunger. Just that was above and beyond the call. But he also watched a video of me function testing the safety plunger despite me explicitly saying in that email “don’t take time to watch this unless you want to”, and he confirmed my final diagnosis that the problem is the aftermarket slide itself.

[@DisgustedGenXr]

Johnny is to Glocks what Atlantis is to water

[@designated_hitter_EGA]

@@DisgustedGenXr the only difference being we located Johnny. lol

[@DiscoBiscuits.]

What brand slide was it that was defective? Also what model Glock / P80 was it for?

[@chipsterb4946]

@@DiscoBiscuits. .45 ACP. Glock Store “Signature” slide. They sent me a replacement which was a mislabeled .40 S&W (I think - definitely NOT .45). Then they sent a 3rd where the channel liner came out with the firing pin the first time I disassembled it. Plus there was a casting (or machining, however unlikely) error at the bottom of where a bushing would be in a 1911, so the barrel fit was sloppy in lockup. They refuse to give me a refund and are unable to deliver a safe, functioning slide. 🤬

[@08lerash]

I’d love to hear it!

[@erikbrigham8807]

One of my friends asked me why I like the glock (poly80). It's because I get to ticker with them, and I do so because of the info I get to learn here. Johnny, you make it fun, thank you.

[@guylee584]

I learned 147 grain rules

[@kenchang619]

The primary reason to reduce recoil spring weight is to eliminate muzzle dip. After firing a shot, a 17lb spring will definitely return the slide into battery, but create excessive force while slamming that slide forward (causing the muzzle to dip downwards). So now, not only do you need to manage the recoil from the shot but also the return of the slide. By tuning/reducing recoil spring weight, one can nearly eliminate muzzle dip. This may mean more felt recoil from the shot, but this is the only directional force we need to manage. As a competition shooter, this is a huge benefit because now the gun will more easily and repeatability return to POA. For example, most folks will run 8-9lb springs in Production division with CZ Shadows and Tanfoglios. I know Bob Vogel uses an 11-12lb spring in 9mm glocks. Tuned, compensated 2011s will pretty much shoot themselves- bullets touching running .15 splits out to 25 yards. I wouldn't mess with recoil springs on a carry gun unless I was having reliability issues caused from it.

[@johnnyglocks]

Thanks for the feedback brother I really appreciate it

[@riffraff9070]

Yep. Got 2 Gen 3 19’s. After reading more and more I was told don’t mess with the internals. So I just left it. No problems. I swapped out a recoil spring and rod 1 time and the slide didn’t go back into battery. Probably a heavier spring and the rounds were 115 grain. Said nope went back to stock. Only thing I change is the trigger itself and trigger connected 3.5 lbs. specifically the double diamond from Glock store. Be advised Ghost trigger connectors won’t or at least didn’t fit my Gen 3 Glock 19. Someone else I know had the same problem and another person I heard the gun went full auto on the range. Anyways hope this helps.

[@dnedry93]

The podcast sounds like a great idea 👍

[@PlugNuster]

Why did it take me so long to find you on KZbin? Don't care, I'm playing catch-up now, watching as many of your videos as possible per day now. Thanks for what you do.

[@trevormeza]

i wan thinking the same

[@dgator7251]

Always a pleasure Mr. Glock, thank you and keep up the good work 👍

[@goooooller9353]

Can't wait to get the trigger I order in, it should be here in a couple hours! Thanks for the great and knowledgeable content!

[@rouchenelvann]

My man has so much information, yet still says “I’m not the authority.” Much respect my man! 🫡🫡🫡 Would definitely love to hear a podcast on your ideological beliefs!!

[@ELYON-_-DL]

Thanks for the knowledge Johnny your awesome! Please keep teaching the science of fundamental gun works/operations, for all kinds of malfunctions and safety issues can be fixed or avoided, thus saving time, money, and even lives.

[@icecreamdipper6008]

Thank you Mr. Johnny, always love your videos. I learn soooo much! Yes, I would love to hear your thoughts about life!

[@alonsoarellanocarryoptics]

Johnny is correct every time I change something on my g34 I take it to the range and put it threw a few hundred rounds to see if theirs any malfunctions! Thank you Johnny for your knowledge brother .

[@s.t.r.o.i.x]

Thanks Johnny for sharing your knowledge!

[@JHolewka]

As always, thanks Johnny! Great stuff.

[@1badpit100]

Love the videos as usuall great job. 👍

[@anthonycaggiano5944]

19:23 safety first , well played! awesome videos your the only one that's can break everything down and have it make perfect sense, you should be a teacher very informative thank you keep it up

[@glkshooter6168]

please do a podcast I’d love to hear that cuz you don’t play you’re a natural teacher keep rocking and glockin pew pew😂

[@glkshooter6168]

@@steveo6685 I’m great I see you have excellent taste in KZbin channels as well as Instagram stuff lol

[@wesleyjamison4442]

As always you never disappoint. The Timney triggers are awesome but now I,am going to have to get a a Johnny Glock Timney !!! A pod cast would be a great listen.

[@MrKitty-zv3dl]

10:37 Dan Wilson? Ha ha, we've all flubbed up names before. Dan Wesson and Wilson Combat were the other 2 companies on your mind I'm sure. I'd always screw up Rock River Arms with Rock Island armory all the time. Love your videos because you thoroughly explain the reasons for your decisions and opinions. No nonsense and loads of common sense, keep up the great work.

[@rnmike1569]

Hell yes, I’d love a JG podcast!

[@charlesdavaro8554]

What are you a mind reader?? I opened KZbin this morning and lo and behold there you are talking about recoil spring assemblies. I was on line yesterday looking into upgrading my G19 recoil spring. God / google though I should be looking at your video on the subject. Always a pleasure to hear your opinion on anything glock . I’ll just replace it with what’s in it . If it’s not broken don’t fix it . Thx Johnny you are the expert on everything Glock !! Don’t underestimate your knowledge! Thx Johnny

[@davetripper]

Love the look of the undercut on those Glocks - for function and looks. Just what’s needed versus taking it all the way forward. Haven’t seen that - unique from every other cut I’ve seen on KZbin.

[@brianm4772]

Awesome content once again, best kept secret on KZbin

[@Vegas3RSPilot]

Damn it looks like I'll have to get a Timney trigger from you once you have them available.

[@siguy5011]

Absolutely 100% for you expounding your world views and beliefs on all of the above!!

[@warrendemartini6533]

Been following your advice on the triggers. Works well I built a glock 17L tack driver ..

[@josephlicata4304]

Great job! And I'd love to hear a podcast👍🇺🇸

[@texasbeast239]

We 10mm guys are really tempted into going up to the 20-24# springs with the hot loads. But the down side is that hellacious return to battery and dip afterward. So heavier rods might help reduce the muzzle flip without needing the heavy springs, and prevent the spring dip. Heavier rods might cause a dip in their own right, though.

[@richardrenyer3078]

Definitely would be interested in hearing your views on the world! A podcast would be awesome!

[@BlackwaterMT]

Podcast sounds great 👍🏻

[@TerminalM193]

For the past few years I've had great success with the sprinco guide rod system for my glocks, caniks and recently made me fall in love with the Walther pdp full size. Started off not really liking the pdp, it felt very snappy. Threw a sprinco guide rod system with red spring and it felt like an entirely different gun. The red will cycle EVERYTHING too from 850fps 147g to +p+ 115g and everything in between.

[@leonardcianciotto547]

I used to shoot variable power springs in my 45acp 1911s. They helped dampen recoil for the 230 loads, but they also softened the return to battery a bit. Probably a gimmick, but I liked theory of it.

[@allenpapir-jo6yw]

Great video u tough me alot thanks

[@markallen1413]

What’s up brother?? Great show again buddy 👍👍👍👍👍✅

[@CFairNH]

Oh my, Yesssss make the podcast!!!!

[@Tavo0331]

Best triggers by far for Glocks. Love my JG trigger

[@kristovatlas]

The fact that people are proposing swapping their recoil assembly before their first round is shot tells you that this topic is largely driven by the marketing of Glock part sellers.

[@chrisparker9886]

Or maybe people just don't want a plastic recoil guide rod in their pistol! 😂

[@alvinmortimer7536]

In my 2007 Rousch Mustang the first part that failed was the plastic thermostat housing. Car had less than 10k miles. I replaced with the tried and true aluminum housing. If people wanted plastic they'd just buy sex toys to throw for self defense.

[@Callthefedsonme]

I knew I had to change mine the striker spring is so strong and recoil so weak when I pulled back on the trigger the slide would go out of battery and cause light strikes

[@Callthefedsonme]

Hope you come back to KZbin sometime Johnny thanks for all the informative videos stay safe and happy shooting

[@jimmybare3026]

Always learning about recoil spring pressure and firearm functionality but I don't think I've heard of anyone talking about tuning the spring poundage for firearm feel under recoil.👍

[@highspeed9518]

whap up Johnny glock!! flint mi checking in love the videos man,have learned so much

[@MetalActual]

Great info

[@jodyfelland2162]

Dan Wilson! Now I gotta have one.

[@jensenwilliam5434]

Thank you!!!

[@willo7734]

I liked what you said at the beginning. I’m a big fan of .45 but I’ve been shooting mainly 115 gr 9mm target ammo. I’ll start grabbing 147 gr to see if I get that same .45 feel.

[@chrisscott1547]

With 1911 style guns, it's well agreed among IPSC competition shooters that a lightened slide combined with the weakest recoil spring that will reliably function will produce fastest splits. Downside is it may shorten frame life, and may sometimes not be enough to strip a round from a tight mag.

[@texasbeast239]

The Springfield XDM 5.25 inch long slide has a hollowed out steel guide rod. More of a guide tube than a guide rod. And I have seen them get dinged and crimped before, and heard horrow stories of them completely jamming up the action. So a solid steel guide rod is a cheap, safe upgrade there. Can't say it feels any differently though. I decided to replace the stock dual spring RSA on my G20 Gen4 with a solid steel Gen3 rod so I could change up spring weights with hotter and hotter 10mm loads. I like having that variable control. And I have to say that I can easily feel the weight and balance difference between my 4.6in G20 and my 4.75in Tanfo Match or 5.25in XDM. The G20 feels like the center of weight is further back near my hand, while those longer guns definitely feel like the balance point is further forward. This lighter feel and rearward balance on the G20 makes it feel more nimble and natural. But it also flips higher than the long slides. So that's why the tungsten guide rods are tempting.

[@brianm4772]

love to hear that podcast

[@bladeboysfv5646]

I have DPS triple recoil spring in Glock 26 with Zaffiri Precision ZPS.4 slide and it makes all difference in the world towards making smoother

[@docholliday2301]

Heck yeah...podcast!!

[@bigred6991]

An Old man told me when I was young that you can be so smart until you are dumb!!! This guy fits this saying perfectly! People need to humble themselves in every aspect of their lives!!!!!!

[@timlyon2924]

The man

[@mikebrumbelow3245]

Would love to hear you discuss your ideologies. Betting yours would be very close to mine.

[@deucedeuce1572]

I'd really like to hear your political belief's (and all that). Would definitely listen if you made a video/podcast.

[@trevormeza]

if you watch enough of this guys videos you will come to conclusions about your own gun to be able to interpret what it needs or what it doesn't or really actually what it is telling you by feel. I run a p80 PF940 1.5 version large frame GLOCK 35 style , the springs will all tell you what they need either more or less simply , and your trigger is a big teller also with those springs. all in all this guy is a great teacher ,, still some more work on mine to make it the smoothest gun possible...... maybe rewatch couple certain videos to gain the confidence to mill a little bit on my slide to make that first initial movement so smooth ,,,

[@fatjeezussouthtexasoutdoor5244]

Yo Steve-O has a gun channel too!!??🤯😂 just jokes bro, good stuff!!! Subscribed!!👍

[@THATMOFODIRT]

Good stuff

[@mobilesolutionsfl]

I run a heavy tungsten recoil rod. I can't tell the difference between that and the OEM RSA when shooting. I also run a SureFire X300U-B and that definitely helps with muzzle flip.

[@nathanjohnson676]

I know that I've had issues with CDS and RYG branded 4Gen SS dual guide rods... But the Lone Wolf are remarkable fordual sporting 4Gens and you have the option to change out the springs too!

[@treydaypnw]

I definitely want to hear more of your ideology on things.

[@TAVAAR7]

So does the recoil spring weight matter in regards to balancing out the spring on the....the...oh, oh, you know, the thing. Come on man. 😉 And yes on the podcast!

[@johndeere1951a]

JohnnyG, Maybe you could address the relationship of case election, how far the empty case travels from you. I had a new G34 that dribbled the cases out falling down my chest! . In contrast my vintage CZ 52 7.62x25 tosses the empty cases 15-17 feet away. Sold the G34 because I preferred the 17L, and now added a G40 10mm to my family. Cases out of my new stock G17L land 3 feet from me💥☮️🇺🇲✌️

[@theunofficialresults231]

Yep, wanna hear thoughts and theories on all aspects of our brave new world.

[@michaelfay794]

Oh yeah. Big glass of sweet tea and next episode of Johnny G.

[@frankmoralesiii6908]

I shoot CZ's exclusively. Bought my first Glock. Glock 48 MOS. Haven't taken it to the range yet. Dry firing it at home. Trigger is stiff, hard pull. Wish it had a flat trigger shoe like my CZ's. I also noticed the 48 has a duel recoil spring.

[@jeremyhart2793]

Podcast would be AWESOME

[@ruger0338338]

Hell ya. Let’s hear it

[@computerguy9111]

Yes to the podcast, sounds interesting…

[@silverandblackentertainment]

Johnny Glock baby! 💥💯

[@stateofoklahomashallnotbei5469]

Yes definitely have a pod cast..

[@jp_0]

I would have addressed two additional issues: limp-wristing safe RSA selection/calibration (and in-battery assurance), and , maybe, compensator spring weight compatibility testing procedure.

[@gwayne7968]

Yes please have that Convo/GOD personal beliefes 👍💯🔥

[@coryblake6031]

We can't wait to hear it from the guru lol

[@user-tr4ze8ic3m]

Yes, I would like to hear your ideas!

[@eragon52100]

Bring on the podcast. I need more media to consume.

[@stewall101]

New expression; "I'm getting all Biden, here!" Love it, I'll use it more in conversation. I also see you didn't want to get shot (19:21) Another great video from you, thanks. (Ideologies, yes please.)

[@johnnyglocks]

I was wondering if someone would catch that. It's interesting too Wick has conscientious gun safety skills. So that's a note to self. When pointing the camera at something make sure you're pointing the gun in the right direction as well LOL it's also interesting from my standpoint how immediately conditioned I was to move that muzzle out of my way.

[@stewall101]

@@johnnyglocks It was that natural - Reminded me of the film where Crocodile Dundee was walking through a mall (in the US) chatting away and quickly grabbed and strangled the snake charmers' cobra 😎

[@joed3264]

BTW most people use the wrong grip. You left hand should = at least 60-70% of your grip package. All your right hand should do is lightly grip the gun and pull the trigger. A really strong right hand grip is bad. It locks up your trigger finger. My new carry Glock is a G48 with 147 gr Federal HST rounds. I carried a G19 for years.

[@abelacosta7200]

I change out the guide rod on all my handguns. And not because it reduces recoil or faster follow up shots. Because honestly I have never noticed any change when I put a different guide rod. I use the stock spring weight but I put a stainless steel guide rod. Some captured, some un-captured. I change out whatever parts I can with metal parts. The guide rod, mag release, pins, trigger shoe, & sights. And there’s no performance gains from it. I just like the feel of metal instead of plastic. Does a heavy guide rod make you a better shooter? I doubt it. Practice will make you a better shooter. But if you do decide to change out the guide rod, just try to stick with the factory spring weight. And if you do change the spring weight make sure you run a variety of ammo to check reliability.

[@broswhoknowstuff]

I really enjoyed your "Biden" pause. Great info! New Sub and like.

[@nelsonenaccion4x424]

Outstanding video great INFO GLOCK is like jeep wrangler you can change so many parts but you dont know they are good into you TEST how performance the jeep in this time is an GLOCK i agree total whit this video becose is part of movement on the gun plus ammo combination some people call tune up that is why some guns has o come whit xtra springs on the BOX THANKS

[@5jjt]

Yes, I'd love to hear about your beliefs, if you could point us in the right direction when it's recorded. I have a lot of beliefs that don't seem to be popular when spoken to people who are more mainstream, so I tend to just keep silent. So, hearing other's beliefs is usually very interesting, especially lately.

[@chipsterb4946]

As methodical and thoughtful Johnny is about gunsmithing, I am certain he has interesting perspectives on our crazy world. I would love to hear them.

[@deucedeuce1572]

I hear ya. Who would have ever thought that True American Values of Freedom for everyone would become so unpopular, especially to those that consider themselves "patriots", "conservatives", "republicans", "constitutionalists" (and the like). Even those who claim to love Liberty are so very ignorant of it. I thank God the Founding Fathers were better men than we are today. I just pray with all my heart that changes. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."-Benjamin Franklin (Sorry for the rant).

[@dmbellboy]

I'd like to hear your thought's on life, liberty and the pursuit...

[@joed3264]

I use a 160 gr bullet in 9mm for IDPA and 180 gr in G35. Really hate the Gen 5s. I have settled on a 13lb ISMI in my G34 and G35. Both are loaded to a 130 pf for SSP. Glock makes a "training" spring for the Gen 4 guns. It has reduced power springs. I too like the single spring rods. My newest SSP Glock is a Glock 41. I run it with a 11# ISMI spring. 3.2 gr of Clays/Clay Dot and a 200 gr LSWC is very soft. The worst thing one can do is put a heavy spring in their Glock.

[@johnnyglocks]

Thanks for the info brother I really appreciate the input

[@Gieszkanne]

Why do you like the single springs?

[@joed3264]

@@Gieszkanne There is no need for a dual spring.

[@thehappytexan]

Hell yes I want to hear your beliefs and ideologies!

[@jefferyboring4410]

I have a old g42 I started getting light strikes so I put a 6.5 lbs spring in last yr now I’m again getting light strikes I’ve played with it a lot if I hold against the slide I can feel the slide move back very slightly as I pull on the trigger so I assume my old recoil spring is getting soft . It is soft feeling. If u push on the back of the slide it goes off every time if I don’t it takes 2 strikes . Anyway I guess I’ll have to order a factory recoil assembly as I don’t know if I can just swap a spring. Ppl say glocks are amazing but the springs definitely gotta be right.

[@guydavid8656]

I have a Glock 22, however the upper was damaged & Although it seems easy to get Glock 17 uppers, I am having difficulty finding one for the 22, 40 caliber barrels and so on, and yes the barrel too was badly damaged, It dropped over 100 feet, that’s a long story I won’t bother with now but do you have any suggestions as to where I can get a 40 caliber barrel preferably threaded and upper, the lower polymer surprisingly was not too badly damaged I only had to replace a couple of the lower parts, any advice much appreciate it

[@barefootbob1269]

Would you recommend dropping down to a 14# on a g26 shooting lighter loads and lighter bullet weights?

[@ThePatriotParadox]

Do a video on your persona "Johnny Glocks" all of your thoughts and beliefs!

[@5jjt]

Will a Gen4 G17 guide rod work in a Gen5 17? Maybe, Johnny, for a video idea, you could discuss cross parts compatability due to parts availabilty.

[@jeremeymiller3406]

I’m going Biden stop me 🤣🤣 time for the ear piece Johnny

[@DesertGhillie]

Thank you as always Johnny! I laughed at the nudge at 19:21, was he flagging you :D?

[@vaughnwesterby5162]

Gettin Biden love it! 👍🏻👌🏻

[@markmaherr]

Revisiting this video, cause I'm getting a little antsy waiting on more JG videos! Also, just for context, start a podcast!! Please, my friend. I'll listen to all of it. More content soon? Functional stuff?

[@adams.4352]

Off topic, what gun case is that? I need one that can clear my red dots. Thank you

[@TheAnimal191]

I want to hear your podcast! Did you guys ever publish one?

[@brianleabo6295]

I get question like that rocoil as well. I love the 10mm my favorite hands down. Wish their was a 357 mag one . But I meet full grown men how said hi brass 9mm hurts . So you got to know your gun and get out and shoot it to find out

[@Philmartinez02]

@johnnyglocks where did you get your Gen 5 slide cut?

[@raylee2483]

Johnny glock man you going to the Orlando gun show this weekend?

[@This_is_my_real_name]

Great channel, interesting content -- spoken as a NON-Glock-owner (I am pretty sure that much of the info is "basic Newtonian physics" that applies universally) -- I am doing as much research as possible for a "Hard Science-Fiction" novel (I am a retired "non-fiction" author -- mainstream publishers, the real deal, but my health and age mitigated me clean out of the fast-moving software world). But... the constantly CHANGING audio *LEVEL* is drIVInG me *_CRAZY!!_* Fortunately my wife isn't sleeping as I watch this, because I'm not nearly quick enough on the level control to avoid LOUD passages from blarping out my speakers. _Please_ try to remember to keep the same distance from the mike as you speak, it will make the content MUCH more able to be absorbed by us listeners! Please don't take this as a slam, it is posted as something that I genuinely hope will make your channel that much more potent.

[@stevenfuchs2548]

I would love to hear that. When and where?

[@kenaxford]

Have you installed/tested those NDZ spring assemblies? The value is good, is the performance?