Are Indians Considered Asian Or Not?

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[@horse6412]

I am from Nagaland. When I was visited Tokyo, an old man spoke to me in Japanese. When I told him I am Indian, he was in disblief. The old man laughed then kept staring at me very confused 😂😂

[@dikshajamwal2827]

😂😂👍🇮🇳♥️

[@myranaam8562]

Lmaoo! That is a memory you never forget! Lol 😂

[@myranaam8562]

I’m from Bangladesh. And people think I’m Latina and the Hispanics randomly speak Spanish to me

[@mdsarfarazuddinansari3997]

@@myranaam8562I am from India. Same with me in America People thought I am Hispanic and Latino so they started speaking in Spanish to me

[@IceQeen1011]

ayyyyeee Indian brother :) I'm from TN. I grew up in Tokya actually and they used to ask us if we knew rajinikanth because his movie Muthu had just become very famous :)

[@shinyguy1]

I’m Indian living in Chicago and people think I’m Mexican 😂

[@StickyKeys187]

Lol what part of India are you from?

[@memeworld745]

Helo brother I am Indian living in India

[@StickyKeys187]

@@memeworld745 what's up my Indian brother how's life there?

[@memeworld745]

@@StickyKeys187 full enjoy bro💪

[@StickyKeys187]

@@memeworld745 nice. enjoy bro

[@faultyengineer.357]

I'm an Indian From Arunachal Pradesh State of NorthEast of India. I'm proud to be an indian. JAI HIND JAI BHARAT.🇮🇳

[@imikeyuk]

Ur not Indian 🤣

[@myranaam8562]

@@imikeyuk ignant machod

[@light3328]

Same from n.e india.. siliguri darjeeling

[@Harsh-bq8gt]

@@imikeyuk anyone asked for your opinion ig no one so shut up

[@FirstnameLastname-rm7it]

But you definitely are a pakistani, although when you go abroad out of Pakistan, you call yourself indian. Because you are so ashamed of being pakistani.

[@AngelofHogwarts]

As an Indian girl, I don't care for the extremely specific terms but when I'm asked what I am, I never say "Asian". It's always Indian. As for these new 'Anglo-Indian' and 'Dravidian-Indian' terms, a lot of times these terms are actually seen in a bad light within India because we are always taught about national unity.

[@bapparawal2457]

The reason is fake Aryan Invasion theory is still being propogated by people for political use. That's why term Dravidian is not used.

[@amandeepbaa6978]

Koreanboo Indian consider themselves as Asian more than being Indian cuz they have the privilege to speak languages and eat work in Asian environments

[@saniyasinha6824]

👏

[@MaryK02]

Even Chinese, Japanese people say Chinese and Japanese first before Asian. It's the Americans that stereotypes east asia as all of Asia. They don't remember it's a continent not just two countries. They are ignorant and entitled. They should know better. How can one type of ethnicity represent whole of continent? Europe has people who look like Indian in Romania and also people who look like mongolians in artic regions, so according to these Americans would they also say eskimos aren't european because they don't look like a french person?... It's always the identity crisis with these Americans.

[@valley-girl]

You are Asian. Its a fact. Of course, no chinese person will be asked...are you chinese or asian? What would you prefer? Of course they will prefer chinese but they are asians

[@Farrukhsiyar159]

Asia is a continent. Anyone from the continent is an 'Asian.' Problem is that people are having trouble finding a term to describe groups of people to distinguish phenotypes. The term 'oriental' just means 'eastern.' I just use 'East Asian,' 'South Asian,' 'West Asian,' 'Central Asian,' 'Southeast Asian,' etc.

[@heroeus8173]

Yeah exactly no need to overcomplicate things with that

[@sidkings]

Perfectly sensible approach. I consider myself South Asian.

[@kesayo]

In the US, the more common usage of Asian is to refer to one’s race, not the continent they are from. I think the “controversy” stems from the usage of Asian to refer to Indians in the UK, whereas in the US, Asian refers to people with more Chinese, Japanese, Korean features. Also I don’t know many Indians outside of the UK who would refer to themselves as Asian, unless you specifically asked them what continent they are from, which is not a question anyone ever asks. That’s like someone from the US referring to themselves as North American. Who does that?

[@navinthehouse4710]

@@Farrukhsiyar159 I think the point was that Europe and Asia are connected. Europe and Asia have mountains as a separation, similar to Himalayas with the Indian Subcontinent

[@mohdhalmymdyusoff5836]

India is a sub continent by itself. It was separated from Africa and collide with Asian Continent (at the Himalaya). Technically they are glued into Asia and became part of it. Other parts of Asian was never mentioned as sub-continent even though they are as big as China or Russia.

[@marigoldmarigold1208]

Nationality : Indian Country :India Continent : Asia We have Aryans, Mongolian and Dravidan... Different looks, features, culture, food... India is very vast and deep to understand.....

[@mayedwards5557]

Why can't people people see this, it's sooo simple

[@and__thwip9979]

America literally stereotyped Asians as 'people who have small eyes'

[@KFC431]

​@@mayedwards5557 I think it comes from the fact that a small minority group of south asian wants to include themselves in the rise of popularity of east asians because you never hear much about those kind of questions until east asian culture in general blow up in popularity. Most of the internet refer asians refering towards east/south east asia. But British people refer asians as south asians and that is the second thing that creates confusion. To me it seems logic to not include everyone in asia in the same category as it always has been in modern era before kpop blown up. Asia is such a big continent with different kind of people, culture and religion. The other option would be to say east asia, south east asia and such... But americans don't call themselves North American (like.. no one say that) people mainly refer to who they are (ethnicity) rather than geography, and personally to me, mongoloid sounds like a bad word by the way it just sound in the ear. I had conversation like that with a small group of south asian who thinks east asians are being evil and racist and were the one's responsable for them not being refered to as asians (while the word asian wasn't defined at all by asians, it came from the western world). But when I ask them what about the word "American"? They are like: "what's wrong with the word?" And I explain that american refers to the people living in the US while america is like 2 continents (north and south), so clearly the purpose isn't to educate the uneducated (and they were not aware of any historical context of both "american and "asian" words), because else we'll have to call white-slavic russians asians as well (while they don't consider themselves asians), we'll have to call canadians american as well as anyone on the north/south american continent. That would be weird and absurd as hell to change everything while there was no issue in the first place until some people made it an issue. I personally never thought of it as an issue. To me it was common sense/obvious until people really question about it and I was like... why you already have your own "identification" and now want to include everyone in something else? What's really simple to see is the fact that east and south east asians are different phenotype. That's it

[@heyhimuyi]

@@KFC431 Okay I'm sorry. This has been going on for a long time. Even before East Asians grew in popularity, the Northeast Indians had been racially targeted and discriminated against. Talk about being uneducated... They were racially discriminated against first. Then, in my opinion, I believe they are finding racial solace in the rise in East Asian popularity. Not the other way around.

[@mahendharthatikonda6050]

​@@KFC431it depends on what u meant by "Asian".if it means East Asia we not asians, if it means from a person from Asia then we are asians. India has been a member of all Asian summit and groups since WW2. And indians are not going to use East Asian popularity to improve their social status. And in USA there is no racial group as Indian, so many tend to choose asian.

[@poomlertpinyowong9187]

This is interesting! Thailand is influenced by both China and India. Most of Thais know both the Romance of Three Kingdoms and the Ramayana. We learn those in high school literature class. We have a lot of Chinese descents. We adopted a lot of Sanskrit words. I am a Chinese descent with a Sanskrit name. (Poom is Thai pronounciation of Sanskrit word, Bhumi. The name of Bangkok international airport, Suvarnabhumi, is actually pronounced as Suvarnapoom in Thai.)​ If someone ask me whether Indian is asian or not, I would definitely answers yes. However, if someone ask me to describe asians, the picture that I have in mind would be more like an east asian one.

[@faustinuskaryadi6610]

Hollywood is the reason why you imagine Chinese-looking one when someone ask you about "who are Asian". I am as Chinese Indonesian who also have Sanskrit name because New Order policy from 1966-1998 (I was born in 1989) reject US-centric view that Asian mean someone who look like Jackie Chan. For me, Mongoloid is still useful term to describe Jet-Li looking guy despite it would sound racis like Negro, but as the least Mongoloid is still more precise to describe the what you would call "East Asian phenotype" instead just say Asian.

[@webabhi]

Mary Kom from India is Asian Tinnah Muralitharan and Nicole David from Malaysia are also Asian. Peter Gilchrist from Singapore is also Asian.

[@psychedamike]

Yeah in the US and other former British colonies “Asian” implies East and Southeast Asia

[@TheHabsification]

@@psychedamike But in the UK Asian refers to those of of people from South Asia

[@lppoqql]

But you have nothing to do with India, I dont get it.

[@starchannel123]

Indians are not considered Asians in the United States for the same reason Native Americans and Latin Americans are not just Americans.

[@missdhara6434]

Really. In america Ever fill out a job , school , or census application ?? Guess where india falls in what group in the United States. 😂😂😂

[@pencil6965]

as an american, this is just false

[@aneeshk9141]

man, you are really smart

[@yukuhana]

One takeaway for me from this vid is: More British think of Indians as Asian than Americans do.

[@mangotar0]

Well theres more desi people who live in the UK than the US cos of past history of colonization

[@mynameisrits]

Americans are highly ignorant when it comes to ethnicities that aren’t white, black, or Latino

[@mangotar0]

@@mynameisrits Well I wouldn't even blame them cos there's just not many other ethnic backgrounds besides white, black, latino, east asian and south east asian in america. Ofc they won't be knowledgeable about other ethnic backgrounds if theres barely any of those minor ethnic groups. That literally could be said for any country.

[@StickyKeys187]

One word: Colonization. The British got rich off the backs of Indians.

[@WastedBananas]

@@StickyKeys187 exactly

[@youranantyt]

I am an Indian, and if someone calls me Asian, I have no problem but if someone calls me an Indian I feel more proud full Because it is more specific to my country and we consider our country as mother - "The mother India" 🙏🇮🇳🕉️

[@zaidpatel8695]

Just don’t call us Paki coz that’s like calling us relative of Osama Bin Laden.

[@kimaduh1937]

Your not Asian

[@surojeetchatterjee]

@@zaidpatel8695 Yes absolutely right.

[@Blackpill149]

@@kimaduh1937 How?we are born in asia and we are not asian?its like saying vinicious junior is african

[@laughingmantis3333]

@@kimaduh1937 but surely ur dad is an asian gay lol

[@JStratham-ym9fb]

I m Indian but some of my friends say I look like central Asian. Even once a Persian women got surprised to know that I m Indian.

[@ChhrrisH2496]

Caucasoid

[@John-ct9zs]

I'm an Indian that grew up in America. I've never called myself Asian, I say I'm Indian. If you say you're Asian people think you are East Asian. Sometimes I have checked off "Asian" on race forms though, but sometimes I checkoff "Other". I have met people from Northeast India though that basically look East Asian, and they are the ones that can have it both ways, they are technically Indian, but they can pass off as Asian. But I remember as a little kid in the 80s, some people still used the outdated term "Oriental" to refer to Far East Asians. Then in the late 80s/early 90s, "Asian" became more commonly used to lump together everyone from China, Japan, Korea, Veitnam, Thailand, etc. But again, no sane Indian outside of England will use "Asian" to describe themselves.

[@KuchisabishiiYo]

Yeah it's more about the General perception versus the technicality of the term

[@danic9304]

I'm British and this joke really pissed me off. In the UK if someone is described as 'Asian' it means they're Indian, Pakistani, Bengali etc. It sounds initially like it's Asian vs Asian, but effectively this is an Asian-American erasing the existence of Asian-British

[@Skizz-iy7ou]

Yh I’m from London East Asians are just referred to as “Chinese” lol Same way how these lot call south Asians “indian”

[@SylvesrerSam]

@@Skizz-iy7ou London usually thinks Asians can be any body

[@SylvesrerSam]

Pakistanis jump places depending on who you ask

[@shermintasneem8353]

I’m Pakistani and I was born in England, partially raised there as a child. Growing up in London, when people referred to someone as “Asian” it meant south Asian like Pakistani, India, etc. and would say the specific country for East Asians. But when I came to America I noticed it’s opposite. I think being in America it’s one way cause they know Asians as East Asian and in other countries it’s different. I’m fine with either one. Also on job applications were Asian lol just saying.

[@philipkang1520]

no one gives a fuck

[@SL-lz9jr]

Yes, that nuance makes sense. I remember Trevor Noah describing Apartheid in South Africa and how people were categorized. It's when it finally sunk in that how we categorize and label people is so dependent on the dominant populations that exist within a country. Even in Jim Crow Anerica, there weren't even laws for Asian people. All the signage restricting access to certain spaces referred to Black people, so Asians living in the south found it confusing. By law, were they considered white or black? People are nuanced. There's no right or wrong way to group people together because, nuance. Borders are fluid. Just look at the world map. How do we decide where continents begin and end? Simply an arbitrary line between Europe and Asia? Russia mostly borders Asia yet it's considered European? And how do we define cultures that are similar? China's influence in Asia is far-reaching yet our nearest cultural relatives are Japan and Korea. Vietnam is often lumped in with Thailand, Laotian and Cambodian yet linguistically it's quite dissimilar (as I understand but I might be wrong). Yet there's so much similarities between China and Vietnam too. Scandinavia is technically just a few countries yet from an outsider's perspective I'd consider Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark and Sweden to be culturally quite similar even though linguistically dissimilar. What about the Pacific Islands or the Caribbean? It's really hard to group countries together. There are things that bring us together and things that keep us apart. At the end of the day, racial groups are a social construct. They are not based on any real categorization of people. At least in the US, race is more of an indicator of how we're collectively treated and discriminated against. More than any sort of inherent identity. Race was forced upon us. We didn't choose these racial categories

[@um8440]

Russia is also in asia tho, we dont call russian asian.

[@StickyKeys187]

@@um8440 well they kind of do, especially with the Asian looking Russians like the buryats, oirats, etc. Of course the dominant ethnolinguistic group of Russia right now is the Slavic speaking Russians of eastern Europe

[@timsin2978]

UOY ERA TON ENO FO SU got that abdul?

[@abhayadav2892]

I'm an Indian🇮🇳 🥰and proud Asian also 💪💪

[@zomerzim7117]

Me too - “A Filipino”. If someone was born in Europe, they considered as European (if their race isn’t related to Africans), we need this mindset fr.

[@Nightmare2.03]

Yes you’re Asian, but people don’t think of that when they say Asian. The term asian refers to the chinese, Japanese, Korean… You know, the ones with black hair and dark coloured eyes, and lighter skin.

[@yunyanli5885]

You are not Asian! Same as Russian are not Asian either!

[@vinvyl957]

@@yunyanli5885The term Asian was created by Greeks to refer to turkish and south Asian people, let that settle in.

[@yunyanli5885]

You are not Asian! You look different compared to Japanese Korean and Chinese people!

[@Kenri_Basar]

I’m from Arunachal Pradesh of India and here itself we have people looking like South east Asian and northern Asian like Chinese or Tibetan. Also we have more than 20 tribes and each speak different dialects. We don’t look anything like Aryan or Dravidian Indian and have very distinct Mongoloid features. We do speak creole Hindi in the recent times due to popular Hindi language being spread in the media and educational institutions and because we don’t have a single language of communication but that’s a borrowed language not a native language.

[@jongmeyo5666]

I am from NE India (Naga to be specific), some Indians calls us Chinese 😂

[@StickyKeys187]

Damn represent your people to the max 😂Are there any tensions nowadays between the mainland Indians and the northeastern states? Must be hard enough to deal with being Indian with the asian looks.

[@SexyBeautifulBabe]

@@StickyKeys187 nope, not at all!

[@WastedBananas]

@@SexyBeautifulBabe That's completely false. There is an ongoing insurgency in the Northeast and on top of that Northeasterners are discriminated against because of COVID

[@kamalkumar7978]

That is mostly lack of awareness, interactions and education about our own country. I mean it is just 75% literacy rate. Bihar and Jharkhand are more exposed to Nepalease and hence they often assume that any mongloid is a Nepali and sometimes Assamese. The rest of India especially the northern region is more exposed to Chinease movies dubbed in Hindi so they automatically assume any mongoloid to be chinease. Nagas are more exposed to Bangladeshi people so they automatically assume any stereotypical Indian looking person as Miya. We are a mess in this regard. 😂

[@atritrikavansa430]

They are mfs.

[@MrClaycorn]

in UK, when people say asians, they mean indians first

[@WastedBananas]

but the UK is an irrelevant country.

[@MrClaycorn]

@@WastedBananas oh yeah ur rite

[@ChhrrisH2496]

Not US though

[@lly_09]

Haha what is that

[@surojeetchatterjee]

@@ChhrrisH2496 Technically UK is right, they count from Cultural aspect, US counts from facial looks & racial. Bcs east Asia & India is same culture, ME central Asia is different culture.

[@katyngah-ere4942]

Indians are considered middle eastern in my country they are not considered asians. It has always been this way for many years. The reason our country consider them middle eastern is bc their food, looks, culture and religion is more closely related to middle eastern rather then Asian

[@AYAM.M]

Which country?

[@ChhrrisH2496]

True

[@PrincessLockette]

That's funny because in my country it's pakistan that's considered middle eastern.

[@supratimghosh6020]

Religion?? Food??? What?? India is the birthplace of all dharmic religions hinduism, Buddhism, jainism, Sikhism. Majority of us don't follow abrahamic religions like middle east . The whole of South east asia( Thailand, laos, Cambodia, myanmar, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore) is in indosphere a.k.a indian cultural sphere for the past 2000 years . Their food culture is highly influenced by southern India of 6th century. They write using decendents tamil pallava script. Korean script descended/influenced by indic phags-pa script. Chinese and Japanese exclusively borrowed Indian philosophy and mythology after the 3rd century to the point that they pushed aside their own . Chinese vegetarian cuisine avoids alium due to Indian influence. And there are many more things. I guess middle east has a phenotypical similarities with India since the Muslim rule , also they borrowed significant amounts of indian medicine and mathematics during the Islamic golden age with the subjugation of indian influenced central Asia to persosphere ( from budhhism to islam) . If you talk about actual connection then the Iranians would be closest to us linguistically and culturally before their conversion to Islam as we have diverged from same root around 4500 years ago.

[@Axe85]

Indian and Asian culture is same but not with middleastern

[@Jasmine215100]

I personally have always used the term "Asian Indian" to describe a person from the country of India. I use the words "Native American" to describe the people descended from Asians who emigrated from the central Asian areas thousands of years ago.

[@Jhaakri]

You guys need to bring a Northern Indian guy who look Chinese in your show. There are millions of them from Ladakh to Arunchal Pradesh. Imagine who look like you but speaks like Indian. That will be a trip. Pretty sure, you can find some here easily in the US.

[@StickyKeys187]

Northeast Indian* to be specific. They're more related to Burmese and Tibetan peoples.

[@grapefruitsyrup8185]

That's because they are literally Chinese blood come from Chinese lands illegally occupied by india, like little tibet and south tibet. Real North Indian are at most from places like uttar pradesh.

[@grapefruitsyrup8185]

If India wants to truly decolonize, they need to stop continuing to project the oppression and legacy the British has committed towards other victim countries. Shameful tbh

[@StickyKeys187]

@@grapefruitsyrup8185 lol. Free Tibet and taiwan from these CCP oppressors. Tibet has more in common with India than china.

[@grapefruitsyrup8185]

@@StickyKeys187 lmao clown, go watch BBC then, this channel will make you seethe. 😂

[@dtanx8978]

all because of the British reporter announced that Sunak is UK's first Asian Prime Minster.

[@heroeus8173]

There is not even debate on that on top of that I know USA is not very good in geography in general lol

[@ChhrrisH2496]

Thats British not American

[@alandeutsch9987]

I think because indians came so much later to the states, the word "asian" became associated with east asians since they all look relatively similar even though the continent obviously encompassed much more. it's just that back then, chinese, and to a lesser extent, korean and japanese were the sole asians that came to the states.

[@piyushk5027]

I really like this conversation/debate . Well done very respectful and entertaining . I thinks it’s summarise “ if you are good at maths & ur parents want you to be Dr & Engg then you are ASIAN” period As an Indian , I can tell you I have been always a called Spanish/French/Italian/Mexican but never Indian while travelling in Europe north and south America

[@thejakanddaxterbros3911]

The issue I have with the term South Asian as a Indian is that when one of our neighbors does something bad and gains worldwide publicity we get grouped with them and when something good happens in India it gets taken away from us when western media use the term South Asian which is why I refer to my self as Indian rather than South Asian.

[@EBZ-bx7zc]

Indians are genetically and racially speaking they are Arabs and middle easterners but migrated closer to the equator and got a little tanner. They are essentially middle eastern Arabs but developed far far slower than Arabs and civilization was developed slower than the middle east.

[@user-jt3dw6vv4x]

@@EBZ-bx7zc Huh? That's not true. The natives of South Asia are the AASI who are closer to Aboriginals and East Asians and then came the Neolithic farmers from what is now Iran who mixed with the AASI to create the Indus Valley Civilisation. After that, Steppe pastoralists came from Central Asia bringing Indo-European languages to the region. Additionally, Austro-Asiatic and Tibeto-Burman speakers left a genetic print on the eastern part of the region. It's a mix of so many groups and is at the crossroads between east and west.

[@user-jt3dw6vv4x]

That problem is only a UK problem because of the Mirpuri Pakistani population.

[@Neverest.]

@@EBZ-bx7zc Not quite, very wrong in fact. Some groups in India, predominantly from Muslim communities have varying amounts of Middle Eastern Arab ancestry that has mixed with Indians/Desis that originated in the Indian Sub-continent.

[@aiswaryabersan7983]

@@EBZ-bx7zc indians are not arabs no connection with desert culture. Indian civilization was older then arabs indian people went to arab not the other way around. India has more culture common with far east asian nations

[@keepitsimple3531]

INDIA means "Unity in diversity" . We may have so many different cultures tradition , but when we come to our country , we are one. "We are Indians , firstly and lastly." :- Dr. B.R AMBEDKAR ❤️🙏

[@ChhrrisH2496]

Not Asian Race

[@KFC431]

@@ChhrrisH2496 well I learn that there's colorism in india a lot, probably due to the fact india is diverse. I asked Chat GPT to get more information on the topic: "The majority of the Indian population has distinct South Asian features, characterized by a range of diverse physical appearances, including various skin tones, hair types, and facial features. While India is a diverse country with different ethnic groups, it is true that there are individuals within certain regions of India who may exhibit physical features that resemble those commonly associated with East Asian populations. These resemblances can be attributed to historical migrations, intermixing of populations, and genetic variations. However, it's important to note that such individuals are a minority within the overall Indian population, and India is primarily characterized by its rich cultural and genetic diversity." Basically, some indian in modern days would be considered as mixed since they have some mongoloid traits. But india in general is diverse and by appearance of the majority in India, no they are not mongoloid or what people commonly refer to as asians when they refer to race.

[@kingknights5107]

@@KFC431 Asian Orientals, or Mongloids.. for a more “racial” classification..

[@LhawangPoSherpa]

Unfortunately unity isn't really a thing in India, North Indian hate south Indian, North-Eastern Indians hate North Indian, Hindi hate Muslims and Muslims hate Hindus.

[@THOMAS_SHELBY434]

@@KFC431I am Indian, and people from another country consider me European even though I haven't been to Europe.

[@anna0803]

A Fung here! What's up fam! Watched you guys for a while. And so happy to see your segway to podcasting. Amazing, hilarious, esp love the accents! 🤣. Next path, voice overs? Keep up the great work. Looking forward to hearing your discussions on other topics. BTW, I''ve never considered Indians, Asians either.

[@anvitas1527]

They literally are Asians and that’s how they concluded the whole segment

[@shivanitripathi428]

Dude we are indian and india is just like another world after every hundred kilometers or miles a new language new culture is found in india but we love each other india is not only a country but it's emotion mother land and I love my country

[@Mari443Garrett1]

In Britain, when you say Asian they mean Indian, Pakitani. In the US when you say Asian, they're referring to us Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Filipino, Indonesian etc.

[@funkthat]

Ummm naw when u say asian anywhere they mean related to looks not geographic location. Indians more related to arabs middle easter so dont try to hijack the word asian

[@faustinuskaryadi6610]

The Indonesians in USA are mostly Chinese Indonesian who escaped from racial discrimination during President Soeharto Era, for example Sudarso brothers who play Blue Rangers in Power Rangers Dino Charge and Ninja Steel.

[@gatheringleaves]

Actually people from Indonesia and the Phillipines are mostly easily distinguished from East Asians and South Asians

[@ezekieltete6584]

@@funkthat indians are nothing like Arabs

[@Konkonponponsonson]

Asian is used ethnically and not Geographically.

[@pfad2672]

David, you brought up Cambodia & Thailand who have Hindu influences, what about people from Malaysia/Brunei & Indonesia with a muslim majority population & perhaps some cultural ties to the Middle East? Ethnic Malays, South Thai’s? I know there is not a big representation in the U.S but I’m curious in regards to categorization ( since we’re on the topic )

[@dorayap7734]

I am chinese indonesian, maybe i can help to answer. Indonesia is the biggest moslem population in the world, but our culture is maybe just 10% have connection to middle east, i mean beside about religion. But tge way we live, the tradition etc is different, because there is mix culture from alots ethnic, indonesia is having alots ethnic group.

[@StickyKeys187]

@@dorayap7734 Hinduism and Buddhism reached the islands of Indonesia way before Islam was even born. The surviving remnant of this is most visible in islands like Bali, java, Sumatra, where the latter was the home of the sriwijaya empire.

[@dorayap7734]

@@StickyKeys187 yes thats true. Srivijaya is buddhism, and its said at that time, they have the largest buddhis university ij the world

[@xueueux]

Need not to be confuse. *All of us are asian.* And if anyone want to be precise, can be east, north, central, west, south, southeast asian. And if want to break down to smaller part than there are at least 50 nations in the continent, chinese, indian, burmese, filipino, japanese, and etc. But then if you want to go deeper to the smallest part (ethnic group or tribes or clan), you may end up with hundred thousands of us. So in the end all of us are Asian.

[@yo_wassupdude]

@@xueueux True. Doesn't matter who people from outside Asia contingent (mainly westerners) refer as Asian, we're all still Asian.

[@user-uo3st6yu7v]

My uncle is an Indo Aryan from India and my aunt is an Indian of East Asian origin...she is born as an Indian but still her origin and blood is East Asian and as a nephew she loved me a lot...also while studying in UK one of Vietnamese girl was actually having a crush on my Indian friend

[@arnabmitra4348]

As a East Indian native Bengali speaker , North Indians call us North Indian too . And when I was in Spain locals there misunderstood me as a latino or central american . In Mexico people think that I am Mexican .😂🤣

[@melayukamparocu5528]

In fact, it is very easy to distinguish Indians and Mexicans, the natural structure is very different and Indians are blacker, have lots of mustaches, beards, facial hair, body and leg hair, while Mexicans are not as hairy as

[@arnabmitra4348]

@@melayukamparocu5528 not all Indians are brown we have white Indians too . People of northern Mexico look like white European But when you start moving towards central and south the skin tone and body shape start changing . In south Mexico they still have people of mayan origin that exactly looks like native Americans .

[@melayukamparocu5528]

​@@arnabmitra4348 skin color, the facial structure of Mexicans and Indians is very different, Indians are also very hairy, beards, mustaches, body hair, leg hair, I can tell the difference, and I am from Southeast Asia, to be precise, I am Indonesian

[@arnabmitra4348]

@@melayukamparocu5528 have you ever been in Mexico ?

[@melayukamparocu5528]

@@arnabmitra4348 I've never been to Mexico, but Mexicans and Indians are very easy to tell apart

[@ASH9366]

Proud Indian 🇮🇳 Geographically 47+ Countries named Asia 🤔 Good conversation 👍 Countries in Asia: Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Brunei, Burma, Cambodia, China, East Timor, Georgia, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mongolia, Nepal, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Turkey, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Yemen.

[@romeshsankranti9168]

Primer for all those ignorant about Asian continent

[@aeradox2348]

Im glad you guys went through the extra mile and talk about this topic, not many people would.

[@greenmachine5600]

Same. It's an interesting topic

[@erenjaeger1738]

Ngl I thought indian were part Arab groups.

[@KFC431]

@@erenjaeger1738 I always thought indians were like their own category tbh.

[@erenjaeger1738]

@KFC I mean they're different group bc they dont have epicanthal folds eyes like Asian do

[@kingknights5107]

@@KFC431 Two kinds of Asians - Asian Indians & Asian Orientals..

[@lill-Tae9276]

This is so true bcuz when I think of aisian... I think of Koreans,Japanese etc

[@SexyBeautifulBabe]

I don’t

[@jomazerud]

We call them "bumbay" in the Philippines . Indian-Filipinos have mixed feelings towards the term. As a Filipino-American, I was called Jet-Li or Bruce Lee at work tho I have a Spanish name ;)

[@user-qg5jw1kb3r]

Asians are already categorised as: East Asians (China, Mongolia, Korea, Japan); South-East Asians (Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar, Philippines, Brunei, Singapore); South-Asians (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Maldives, Bhutan)

[@designereats3661]

You forgot Central Asia(Stan countries) and west Asia(some countries in the Middle East). Also you forgot that part of Russia is in east Asia.

[@user-qg5jw1kb3r]

@@designereats3661 Yes you're right 💯

[@rodrozil6544]

Bhutanese are genetically southeast Asian

[@kronicturbo8327]

@@rodrozil6544 northeast India is genetically too southeast asian or east asia.

[@alvinmah6148]

In South East Asia there are also Brunei & Singapore

[@GoodMorningMisterMam]

To be fair, I call myself Southeast Asian as a Cambodian. When people think Asian, they think East Asian. I want to clarify the difference, especially with my tan skin.

[@J-C.Denton]

I think it depends where you are from. Here in Australia, anyone from East Asia or South East Asia is considered and viewed as Asian. Most people view Indians as Indian. The rest of South Asia becomes a bit more murky and most here think of West Asia as the Middle Eastern lol

[@rodrozil6544]

@@J-C.Denton yeah, you it right. But yeah some southeast Asians can be very dark like polynesians. I can distinguish Chinese and Vietnamese from face too.

[@Drownedinblood]

Brother, there are southeast Asian looking Asians in east Asia too. Indians are the only ones who really stick out when called Asian.

[@bogartmotomoto8222]

East asian are also tan. Its just they are too colorist thats why they are crazy when it comes to whitening products. Well, of course, there are many east asian have pale skin. But not white as we can see to kpop idols

[@titaniumskunkogkush4365]

There's no term of south east Asia from Cambodia. There's only one term for Asian in Cambodia.

[@sreelakshmym4569]

Whether we are Asian or non asians whatever , we are Indians and proud to be an indian

[@Ragd0ll1337]

If Asian means “from Asia” then yea, anyone from a country in Asia is Asian, including Indians, but it’s not a useful grouping since it’s so broad. Personally I don’t think anyone should be using it since it doesn’t describe anyone particularly well.

[@user-qg5jw1kb3r]

'Desi' means someone from your own country in the Hindi language (the language commonly spoken in North India). Conversely, 'Par-Desi' means foreigner. Desi was a term coined to identify fellow diaspora indians. But I've seen some pakistanis and nepalis refer to themselves as Desi too (I guess because the language overlaps).

[@SuperAwesomedude20]

Nah i think it is generally referring to desi as in the desh that was formed when the British took over india. So countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh counted but other areas that weren't part of the rule didn't. (on a technical level at least)

[@user-qg5jw1kb3r]

@@SuperAwesomedude20 South indians (and Sri lankans) don't really use the term 'desi'. It's mostly used by North Indians & Pakistanis as it's a Hindi/urdu word.

[@aiswaryabersan7983]

@@user-qg5jw1kb3r desi is a Sanskrit word it used in south indian language also des means place

[@sliceofpie1741]

@@aiswaryabersan7983 tell them that. What's up with all "hindi" word almost all South languages have desh meaning your country.

[@StickyKeys187]

India is way too diverse to utilize what one ethnic group uses to refer to their own kind when you have literally two or three groups of people that speak an entirely different language that belongs to a different language family. Like the OP said, you have the southern Dravidian indians that don't speak the same Indo-Aryan languages as the northern indians, and then you have the Northeast indians that are more related to the Burmese or Tibetan people.

[@ChamP10nk1ng]

No ! Indian folks have their absolute own look/lifestyle. But I love how they can work alongside other Asians and get along 100%. (I worked at a clothing warehouse with them & the vibe was cool af) I love em both

[@StickyKeys187]

Which Indian are you referring to? You have northern Indians that are of the Indo-Aryan stock, the southern Dravidian indians, and the east asian looking northeast Indians who can pass for what you consider as the traditional asian look with the epicanthic folds aka the slant eye and all.

[@SexyBeautifulBabe]

Indians are Asians that’s why

[@WastedBananas]

@@StickyKeys187 Northeasterners very rarely immigrate abroad so in all likelihood hes referring to Indo-Aryans and/or Dravidians.

[@honestcat224]

@@StickyKeys187 I'm sorry to update, even as per the theory you're proposing? The so called Dravidians are early migrant from Southern Iran. Refer to the Elamite Culture. Funny how people only read the first half of the hypothesis 'cuz the second half destroys the propaganda they're banking on.

[@harshitabhuyan8892]

@@WastedBananas Who said that? You're so ignorant, there's a large population of highly educated North East Indians living outside India. You can't just exclude one community if indians because you feel like it.

[@jackieortegadesigns326]

I'm a Filipino but with Indian/Middle Eastern features and whenever I have to specify my race and ethnicity in online forms from the US, I pick "two or more races" rather than Asian because I know that there in the US, Asian=Mongoloid Asians. And I don't have those traits. In fact when I travelled to Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong, I was treated as a foreigner and the only ones who made a mistake and spoke to me in their language were a few Singaporean Indians unlike other Filipinos who I heard were being mistaken as Malays in Singapore and treated as Southeast Asians in HK and Japan.

[@1tan_freed0m]

I think many can relate to my comment...🤗If you go to Eastern part of India, Nepal or etc.. areas and you can so called East Asian Looking South Asians lol🤣+ I'm Asian, I'm South Asian & if they use the term East Asian instead of Asian there would be no issue . I'm Sri Lankan that fall in to Sinhalese ethnicity(Tamils, Muslims, Malay, Burgher, Moors, Chinese are also there)& I think we look more of Indian(More like Bengali) & also like South East Asian (Sri Lanka is like a mini India. cuz we are not big like India so think of all of that regional-looking people you find around India live in small land) Personally I'm Yellowish -Tan In complexion. So, online people have confused me as Filipino, Indonesian & even Hispanic sometimes too.(My mom went to Philippines & She was mistaken for a native since she has yellowish skin) + I saw that you guys talked about races. Since I'm also called Indian mostly when I say I'm Sri Lankan, I think me alone is a mix of Mongoloid(Look Negrito too) + Caucasoid (Cuz we are Aryan + Small Burgher background) So I think Dividing South Asia in to a certain race is so damn hard and confusing😅& It's better to call them East Asians(Most easiest thing to do) & call all of us Asians or Call us by our country.

[@argonwheatbelly637]

Indians are Asian. So are Israelis, Saudis, Kazakhs, etc. Asian does NOT mean ONLY Far or South East Asian. It's a continent. You know, like Africa? Nigerians are African. So are Egyptians.

[@ChhrrisH2496]

No Asians a Race 🍜

[@alostacet]

my friend from north east India is like 👁👄👁

[@gamegear5917]

i was born in India in M.P state which is literally the middle of India and from my mother side i got asian features (she is indian with asian features) mixed with indian features from my father, they were both light skinned and hence i am light skinned and growing up everyone thought that I was from nepal or china, i am doing my masters here in california and no one believes i am indian and i always prank my fellow Indians by speaking hindi randomly.

[@mangotar0]

Here in the UK, Asians = South Asians. Other Asians in the UK are usually considered as tourists or foreign students by the locals.

[@StickyKeys187]

Britishers are just more familiar with the people of South Asia thanks to colonization. That's why they have a more specific meaning when referring to Asians of Indian or South asian descent as you say

[@SexyBeautifulBabe]

@@StickyKeys187 same with America .. Americans are more familiar with Chinese and Koreans as “asians” bc of the world war 2, etc .. doesn’t make it right ..they’re just half right

[@kazi_the_wood_fire]

@@StickyKeys187 I am from Bangladesh and I read a diaspora of Bengali people from a region called "Sylhet". Brits took dozens of them right after ww2 in the UK as cheap labour so the entire scenario is like this.

[@kazi_the_wood_fire]

@@SexyBeautifulBabe technically

[@rob8530]

They would be called Chinese.... anyone with the oriental eyes would get called Chinese initially

[@roy7090]

Lets not confuse race and ethnicity. Race is about power. Ethnicity is about culture.

[@mihirshetye4624]

Well said.

[@KFC431]

I think people are more confusing on geography and ethnicity. Many on the other side of the argument use geography to argue while people who do see the ethnicity in it would talk more on the identity side of things. I would lean more on identity side. Many indians are fine and proud or even prefer being refered to as indians. Everyone can have the right to feel proud of who they are. It's just majority of people, internet and in america except british refers asians more towards east/south east asians. I think it's fine if we keep things the way they are.

[@Nightmare2.03]

So Asian culture is?? And Asian ethnicity is??

[@fnfal1982]

Indians ARE Asians. Specifically South Asians. Ronnie Chieng says he cannot identify with Sunak being an Asian in the post as the British PM is because Chieng sees himself more as Chinese rather than Asian in this instance. Chieng grew up in Malaysia and Singapore where he will not mistaken an Indian as an Asian. They cannot be anything else. Chieng is making a mountain out of a molehill. He should do better...

[@user-jt3dw6vv4x]

Yeah I agree but also I think Ronnie is joking because in the US "Asian" means East Asian but in the UK "Asian" means South Asian. Malaysia is where both of these Asians co-exist and is naturally known as "Malaysia Truly Asia" as Malaysians have origins from across Asia. So I think he was just making a joke out of the way Americans and British define Asian in their countries.

[@ChhrrisH2496]

No Asians a Race so India is not

[@maharshidave7585]

I have a huge respect for this channel because they have made a 25 minute video on a subject that should be of 2-3 minutes maximum! As far as my perspective goes, I don’t really care if someone calls me Asian or Indian because I live in India which is part of Asia so geologically I am an Asian but also an Indian. This is the most useless topic of discussion ever!

[@LordStevenStone]

I see it like this as a bengali man I prefer if people call me bengali but since it’s in Asia it makes sense to be called asian too(also I don’t mind if they call me desi or brown but they differ per person to person) like how a person from China is Chinese so they’re called Chinese and since they are in Asia they are Asian

[@rodrozil6544]

You guys are dark skin Caucasians. If you remove the Melanin you would look like Europeans.

[@drgeek100]

you guys are more like middle eastern.

[@fashionguide2446]

I am from Pakistan ....funniest thing is that pathans which are very fair in skin colour can be refered as brown in this regard but in pure sense its not ...understanding South Asia is absolute mess not childs play😅

[@shayanraj7840]

Either Banghladesi or Indian , Bengali is an ethnicity I think like Turks or Mongols.

[@val-schaeffer1117]

You are Bangladeshi. Bengali means Hindu Bengalis from India.

[@endisnear306]

Oh you should check out the North eastern regions of india.. There r seven regions and they all have different types of East Asian looks.. For example people from arunachal look Chinese, mizoram looks korean, manipur looks Japanese, meghalaya looks more Philippines.

[@tusharsiddharth6658]

Naga look burmese

[@endisnear306]

@@tusharsiddharth6658 oh yeah. I have found some naga look korean as well.. North eastern looks are also very diverse.

[@Pageant_utopia]

Himachal , Ladakh and Uttarakhand aswell

[@endisnear306]

@@Pageant_utopia yess. I find india to be very beautiful for its diversity

[@mvphightsky1349]

Nah, I'm a manipuri and i don't look at all close to east asians lol. We lean more towards looking like south east asians than chinese or japanese

[@Kira-ji5pr]

I’m highly offended when people call me Asian , I’m Indian thru & thru ✌️

[@supernerdszone207]

I don't care if someone don't call me asian but if someone call me Indian I feel proud. India is not just a country, India is whole world itself. U can find every whether and Climate in india. U can find every type of people, every skin shade in India . 22 official languages and more than 1000 dialogues in india But still we Indians are very United and feel proud to our (motherland) India❤️

[@KFC431]

I am rooting for your self love. It's important to feel proud of who you are . I like eating indian food, they are amazing!

[@fivestar000]

Whole world? But racist as fuck? If not the most racist country in yah universe

[@noname-nu6oo]

When I was at a doctor's office there were 2 caucasian elderly women in their 70s sitting together in the waiting room and I overheard them talking about one of the doctors and one of the lady kept saying " is he oriental" because he had a Chinese last name. The other old lady looked appalled by her friend and ignored her but her friend kept asking over and over so she just said yea looking uncomfortable as there were people in the room. Lol

[@ruling528]

@@murderofcrows2179 My cousins one, smartass!

[@spiderjump]

Oriental is a bad word ?

[@jimbojimbo6873]

In the UK we use Oriental to refer to east Asians and it’s the standard reference term. People will go on tv and say it, no issue and I can’t see why it would be.

[@krillin876]

@@jimbojimbo6873 because that is what is what it means.

[@SuperAwesomedude20]

The problem with using the word “desi” is that it doesn’t involve countries like nepal or Bhutan, which have people that look both “East” and “south” Asian. Best we could do is call ourselves Himalayan. (That brings up Sri Lanka too, would they be islander nation then?). Asian fits the term in the most inclusive way in my opinion.

[@destyon9966]

I hate the word “desi” because it sounds weird

[@Random-qi3vv]

yep. And Srilankans look different too.Nepalese look korean,filipino, tamil....its weird

[@SuperAwesomedude20]

@@Random-qi3vv yeah i get called mexican/latino all the time too (as a Nepali )

[@user-jt3dw6vv4x]

@@SuperAwesomedude20 Yeah I'm of Sri Lankan descent and I don't consider myself as "desi". I hear "desi" and I don't think of Sri Lankan or Nepalese or Bhutanese-related things. I think of Bhangra, Bollywood, henna, Hindi, Urdu and the cultural traits of North India and Pakistan. All of that stuff is alien to me. I also have some Southeast Asian features (result of Sri Lankan Malay admixture) that makes people think I'm mixed with SEA. South Asia is just a mix of different groups of people. People can define themselves as however they like, having entire discussions about something so trivial though is a little strange when the whole thing is subjective.

[@rodrozil6544]

@@user-jt3dw6vv4x southeast Asian seafarers went upto Madagascar. That's why so many southeast asian genes in Madagascar.

[@atpt5]

We are Indian Asian. We are proud to be Indian.. We don't offend to be called Asian... Yes India is vast diverse country... But we celebrate our diversity. We proud to have such rich culture diversity. We proud to have different race religion ethnicity still we are unite .and we are proud to be Indian also asian

[@torelloBank]

still proud indian despite the rape of indian minorities in north-east?

[@John-ct9zs]

I'm 47, I remember "Oriental" was used to describe Far East Asians in my elementary school years through most of the 80s. Sometime at the very end of the 80s, like literally around 1988 or 1989, by this time I was in middle school, "Asian" started to be used and "Oriental" faded out as a low-key racist term like using "colored" or "Negro" for black people, which some older White people still used around 1984, but by 1989, not so much. By the 90s, the modern global view became like today, Asian for Far East Asians, Black or African American for anyone with African ancestry. Indians were always Indians, though frequently or often confused with Middle Easterners/Arabs. England is a weird country so we don't count their confused global outlook. I didn't hear the term "Desi" to unify all Indians/Pakistanis/Sri Lankans/Bengalis until the late 90s. I look back at when I grew up in the 80s and 90s and realize that the Civil Rights movement, although we thought it began and ended in the 1950s and 1960s, was only 20-30 years ago at that time, basically around the distance of the 80s, 90s, even early 2000s today. So there were plenty of people around in 1987 or 1997 that held onto their old-fashioned world outlook.

[@Ancient_Chronicler]

The term oriental is originally a Latin word that simply means east/eastern.

[@rivonianaidu-hoffmeester9582]

In apartheid South Africa, people of Indian origin were classified as Asian and on many of our forms, we still have to tick the Asian/ Indian box which is grouped together. So I've always identified as Asian and South African Indian. At the end of the day, India is in the continent of Asia, so you can identify as Indian and Asian. Just like Poland and Greece are both European but culturally different based on their country of origin. Also, why do the South East Asian and East Asian countries get to determine what and who is considered Asian? What if Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh decided to collectively claim the Asian term? Very interesting discussion. It's a question I had when the crazy rich Asians movie came out. I love the movie, but I kept looking for the Asians that looked like me. And so that's when I started researching this other global definition of Asian because as a South African with Indian origin, we were always considered as Asian. So it never occurred to me that I would be anything else.

[@faustinuskaryadi6610]

Crazy Rich Asian should be re-titled as Crazy Rich Chinese.

[@GoToMan]

@@faustinuskaryadi6610 Yep or Crazy Rich East Asians OR Crazy Rich Asians (Exclusive American Edition)

[@PLAY-zb6sz]

Very interesting conversation. Crossed my expectations..👍

[@Nightmare2.03]

Are Canadians considered American? Because technically we come from North America, just like “Americans”…

[@redmangoose182]

Love all these topics ya'll tackle.

[@jamesburns679]

The Indian subcontinent are so far apart from other asians I think they deserve their own group.

[@thegreatonecometh200]

They're double dealing like the comic said Mexico and Canada are north America but they're not Americans

[@calvibbes]

It's not about their geographic location.

[@Random-qi3vv]

then you realize that there are monolid indians and nepales as well, lol

[@user-jt3dw6vv4x]

Then you realise that Indians are culturally influenced Southeast Asia

[@Farrukhsiyar159]

@@thegreatonecometh200 Mexicans & Canadians are Americans. America is two whole continents. The term is just more often used to describe inhabitants of the US.

[@ParalyzedInLove]

I’m “East Asian” by lineage, and leaving in the United States in a society that idealizes big eyes, I feel that the unmodified “Asian” in most people’s minds here is someone with fair-medium olive (derogatory “yellow”) skin and mono-eyelids. The creases of my eyes are just visible most of the time, but they were even less pronounced, if there at all, up through the time I was in grade school. One boy did the thing where he pressed his fingers to the outer corners of his eyes, stretching them to temporary slits in concert with “I’m Chinese!”

[@AeraYoo]

I’ve heard my grandma on my dad’s side use words like oriental and negro. (Very old school) I used to use the word oriental more when I was younger cuz I didn’t see the issue with it. Also I thought that was a way to describe East Asian stuff for white people. But now that I’m older I’m like yea that is just her white way of looking at us. But regardless I feel pride in being mixed and I know that even though she was somewhat prejudice to Hispanics as well, it was just her having thinking from the old times. I don’t necessarily see Indians as Asian except maybe to be included in Asian American but mostly I notice Indians and Desi people to be their own thing or closer to Arabs / Middle Eastern in a way. May not be a popular opinion but I didn’t ever feel that much cultural connection with Indians other than Buddhism but Buddhism in India is different than Buddhism in Korea or East Asian countries. You can just tell it’s like a cousin but different ya know. But like you said on another video rice is rice 🤣

[@sunshinesunny9657]

Bangladesh is also called as desi country and I like being called Bangladeshi (although Bangladeshi people are called as Bangali but Bangali can refer to West Bengal people too so I love it more when ppl call me Bangladeshi with my country name on it) and Bangladesh is in Asian continent so I'm an Asian too. I won't mind it either ppl calling me Brown, Asian, Desi too

[@swastikadas8357]

Right! I'm a Bengali from Kolkata and I totally agree. You guys are Bangladeshis, we are Indians, we both are Bengalis.

[@sunshinesunny9657]

@@swastikadas8357 and I'm proud of it as a Bangali and as a Bangladeshi too

[@sparshm9482]

Look im Indian.. but as my Pakistani friend said better to be called Indian then a terrorist 😂 but as indias influence and ties in the USA get bigger and india gets bigger people will know more about the area they will know the difference between Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India Pakistan etc

[@sunshinesunny9657]

@@sparshm9482 why'd anyone call Indians terrorist? I didn't get your words

[@shobithjacob1982]

This is a great conversation and we need more people speaking about this especially in India. India is often known as the Indian subcontinent due to geographic, cultural, lingual and phenotypic diversity. However there is definitely similarities to East Asian culture which cannot be undermined. Overall a great video!

[@funkthat]

Idians are more related to arab and middle eastern and everybody knows it. Indians need to be more proud of themselfs and not ashamed to be indian.

[@joyid]

Nah we don't need that discussion here. Call yourself whatever you want.

[@biggdaddyy]

@@funkthat Indians are not related to Arabs but they are related to us , we are the ancient civilisation way back before Arabs existed . We are not ashamed and many Indians also have a problem with the terms like south Asians as we don’t want any clubbing with anyone .

[@theophrastusbombastus827]

Asian people are people from Asia, and India is in Asia. China, Japan, and Korea isn’t all of Asia.

[@ChhrrisH2496]

No dummy Asians 🍜 a RACE

[@chaitanyaagnihotri10dsn44]

This guy: Indians are not asian because I'm Asian and they don't look like me Meanwhile northeast Indians: you sure about that?

[@xueueux]

People who think Indians are not Asians usually come from America. But a lot of us who born and still live in the continent, we always think Indians are Asians.

[@user-jt3dw6vv4x]

Agreed

[@ChhrrisH2496]

@@user-jt3dw6vv4x disagree obviously

[@Not-Ap]

​@@ChhrrisH2496And that's not surprising.

[@ArcasBelissari]

My older Indian relatives who migrated to the West in the 1970s used to more confidently call themselves Asian. It wasn’t really until the turn of the 21st century when the term ‘Asian’ became more associated with East Asians. This is simply due to their being more East Asians in places like America and globalisation subsequently propagated this idea but the original meaning of Asian was different.

[@anonymousrose8594]

I’m from Kerala, India and a fellow Keralite thought of me as from middle east when I was working in Canada 🤦‍♂️😀

[@uttblackboard]

I am indian, nothing more. India shouldn't be labeled with as asians simply because of geography.

[@ChhrrisH2496]

True

[@user-cw2py6wh8l]

Europe is on the same continent as Asia. But the European want to separate themselves from the others. So they call their continent Europe. India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh can do that too and call their continent Indo.

[@StickyKeys187]

Yeah essentially a case of caste system.

[@WastedBananas]

I agree, and honestly thats what should be done.

[@ragejinraver]

It's a completely different continent what are you talking about. Look White Europeans will never accept you as one of them get over it and accept it already.

[@noran3335]

The most interesting part of this was the end when you mentioned former British colonies and how Indians flocked to those countries. Would the Indian community especially in malaysia and Singapore consider themselves Asian?

[@WastedBananas]

No, I've talked to them and Indians (mostly Tamil) in Singapore and Malaysia are heavily discriminated against which makes them antagonistic towards the Chinese/Malay majority. Because of that they are far more likely to identify as JUST Indian.

[@subajeyabal3074]

@@WastedBananas Singaporean Indian here. Those of us who are third gen or second gen, identify ourselves as Singaporeans first, Indians second and SE Asians third. And where did you get the idea that we are heavily antagonistic towards the Malays and Chinese? While there are some cases of racial discrimination - as is the case in every country - Singapore by far is a racially harmonious country.

[@Pol66590]

Flocked? On their own or forced?

[@subajeyabal3074]

@@Pol66590 There are both. There were Indians who were forced by the British to come here and work as coolies (indentured labourers) when SG was under the British rule. There was also a large number of indians who came here as part of the British India army, and others who came here seeking fortunes as traders. As did the Chinese. Malays, on the other hand, are native to Singapore.

[@faustinuskaryadi6610]

In Indonesian many Indian descents call themselves Indonesian. Even most people think Ariel Noah (his stage name, not his real name), the famous male singer in Indonesia, is Native Indonesian but in DNA test he is actually 79% South Asian (Indian/Pakistani). Singapore is another story because Singapore is just simply city state-sized China Town.

[@bryankrauss6393]

In the states there both considered by geographic means but there different in culture religion politics culturly with arts education and Entertainment so otherwise they are considered a different whole

[@night_Owl123]

I'm an Indian and an Asian Korea = Korean America = American India = Indian 🙂

[@RKP565]

Great discussion guys! But the topic of 'identity' goes much deeper for specific Asian nationalities than 'surface looks' IMO. We are more 'united' by a common spiritual/ religious/ historical/ psychological and societal commonality, especially in reaction to the west. India and Tibet/ China have had powerful synergistic spiritual foundations for millennias ( Confucian/ Buddhism, which originated in India, Chinese medicine) that helped create and mold their cultural values today ( marriage, family, work, life, self). If you are of Asian descent + American -- you have not only been influenced by the history of systemic racism against Asians but by a need to balance your 'Asian-history' which is probably seen best in how your family raised you. Indians family structure is VERY similar to many Asian family values and structures IMO.

[@WastedBananas]

No, looks form the basis of your experience in society. No one ever harassed an Indian person due to the COVID-19 pandemic the way Asian people were harassed and or assaulted. And the Idea that we have a commonality because of spirituality is also completely false when you consider the fact Indians have a large Muslim population, throw in Pakistan and Bangladesh and the matter of fact is that in terms of spirituality, the subcontinent itself is divided and thus using it as a unifying factor doesn't work because it doesn't even unify desis. On the topic of family structures, the same applies to recent African immigrants. They have very strict parents, multigenerational homes, are high academic achievers and operate with a collectivist mindset. Should we call them Asian as well now? No. I'm Bangladeshi, and personally, I would never call myself Asian. I hope you can respect that instead of trying to force an identity upon us.

[@RKP565]

@@WastedBananas I understand where you're coming from WB. And my experience is NOT of someone who currently lives in Asia, specifically your country of Bangladesh. Where I live is in NYC --- Americans have already delineated and labelled WHO WE ARE, as Asian, or Southeast Asian ( which is still Asian). And in NYC, all ASIANS , including Southeast Asians, Filipino-Americans, and Indian Americans, have been attacked (slashed in their faces, stabbed, assaulted for no reason) after the quarantine had lifted, not just the Chinese. You are right, 'your looks do form a basis of your experience in society.' In a first world super power country like America, that is governed by a majority of Caucasian people, your 'look' is seen through a WHITE filter. It is not that I am labeling your identity as it is subjective to you. However, our society has already created 'objective' categories of WHO WE ARE as Asians that already exist prior to our birth-- that is the reason of this podcast discussion, yes? As Americans, we tend to pit each others 'social categories' against each other and create a divisive competitive environment. Perhaps this needs to stop, Yes --we are individuals but it's OK to share a common heritage, humanity, or history that brings us together as well. Perhaps together we can create a stronger presence of Goodness in this world as Asians and Asian-Americans. This African leader points to this ideal with Africans: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3nYZqSVrZZpd9E

[@stxfdt1240]

@@WastedBananas 1.38 billion to 200 million+ is large according to you lol😂😂😂

[@stxfdt1240]

@@WastedBananas logicless comment

[@stxfdt1240]

@@WastedBananas he did not speak for pak and ban he spoke about buddhist influence in asia..do you lack comprehension skills????

[@jetpark3743]

Indians are Asian (from Asia) but not considered Asian in US as we don't have those thin "eyes"

[@ChhrrisH2496]

Because Asian is a Race

[@macoswatkpop686]

@@ChhrrisH2496 If Asian is race, therefore Asian is synonym for Mongoloid. if Asian is synonym to Mongoloid. The fact is Indian are not Asian because they are not Mongoloid.

[@ChhrrisH2496]

@@macoswatkpop686 exactly 💯👍

[@Sandy_00000]

I am Thai and I went to an Indian restaurant and was asked if I was a Nepalese? lol

[@damnmargo9545]

Funny. U guys look like us (Northeast Indian). But I speak Hindi.

[@user-jt3dw6vv4x]

As you said in the video, in Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong, there was more interaction between Indians and Chinese in these areas and more broadly between other East, Southeast and South Asians. So it's quite understandable why out of all areas in Asia, it's these three locations where "Asian" is more widely used. It also happens to be that more people in these areas are aware of the diversity of Asians. In Hong Kong, for example, people know that South Asians are diverse as the Hong Konger South Asian community (known by the Cantonese equivalent for "South Asian") isn't just composed of people who look "stereotypically Indian" but also includes a lot of people (ethnic Nepalese) who have "East Asian" or a mix of "South Asian" and "East Asian" features.

[@RezandJen]

It's tough, India is a big part of Asia. But yes South Asians and East Asians look different. South Asians are ethnically diverse due to colonization, British, Dutch, Arabic and Persian DNA are heavily present in a large amounts of South Asians which cause us too look different from other Asians. In England Asian's are viewed as people of South Asian decent. Here in the U.S Asians are people of East Asians decent. I consider myself Asian as someone of Indian Decent. Growing up most of my friends were Chinese and Korean because we could relate in a lot of ways. My wife is off Chinese Decent American Born. Either way great video guys!!!

[@StickyKeys187]

Yeah that's true. But you can make a general rule where you have the northern Indians who constitute the majority of the country's population and speak an Indo-Aryan language, while the southern half consists of people who speak Dravidian languages, and then you have the northeast Indian states that are the most distinct looking Indians from the rest who can pass for their Tibetan or Burmese cousins.

[@WastedBananas]

I've noticed Desi men who date or marry Asian women are more likely to consider themselves Asian. I wonder why that is

[@anonymousf7byyj]

India is diverse but not because of colonisation. There are who parts of Indian where the population look East Asian rather than stereotypical South Asian.

[@deadboltzz5199]

It's not complex for example you can live in Africa and not be black 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@grapefruitsyrup8185]

@@anonymousf7byyj it is because of colonisation. India never had Chinese looking people without the invasions by led by the British colonial empire.

[@sidhart7482]

A frustrated human who lives on the planet:- stfu and call me by my name .

[@kartikrajsingh1895]

The first fact everyone should understand: "Indian" is NOT an ethnicity

[@rachelmaddowswife8713]

I think this is just the difference between American and UK demographics. In the UK if someone says the word "Asian" in conversation, British people imagine in their heads an Indian or Pakistani person because those are the dominant immigrant groups there (former British colonies have an easier time moving there). On the other hand, people in the US hear "Asian" and think East Asian because their city probably has a Chinatown or Ktown district, but relatively fewer South Asian communities. I've personally never heard an Indian American refer to their race as "Asian", but if they want to do that in the UK that's fine. Obviously different countries are going to attach different connotations to words. It's not that deep.

[@vedicboul]

Keep it simple imo It all comes down to facial features: Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid. Indians are mostly Caucasoid with a couple of groups that are Mongoloid and even Australoid.

[@PseudoProphet]

95% of all men and 99% of all women outside of Africa originally came from India... So in a way, we're all Indians. 😅😅😂😂

[@noniboo1521]

I didn't even know Indians were considered Asian until 2 years ago. I'm Black American educated, and I never saw them as Asian. I actually had to adjust to thinking of them that way. And no, my opinion doesn't matter, but when I saw Roni Cheng make a joke about it, I realized I wasn't the only one thinking that way. I have worked with many people from India and never had this conversation with them.

[@akmn4505]

roni is Cuck,

[@sanifoo]

Hey Ronnie was born in Malaysia, raised and educated in Singapore, then further educated in Australia and now based in US. There are large numbers of Indians, Chinese, Malays in Malaysia and Singapore with considerable Filipinos, Thais, Vietnamese too within Malaysia and Singapore itself. I'm rather puzzled when Ronnie made that statement. Anyways thanks for having this conversation.

[@user-jt3dw6vv4x]

Ronnie was making a joke about how in the US, they think "Asian" means East Asian appearance while in the UK they think "Asian" means South Asian appearance.

[@cartier2312]

India is in the middle between the Middle East and Asia and keep in mind India is a subcontinent

[@HoaXinh77]

you are mixing terminology based on historical terms used by colonizers and geography

[@ilikevines]

If you go into the etymology of Asia it comes from Greek and was the term for the region of modern day Turkey (‘Asia Minor’). It just eventually came to mean all the territory due east of Europe. “Asia” should probably be divided into multiple continents really.

[@arpachakrovorty8911]

One correction, Bengali is a language based identity not country based! India has more than 11% bengali population. I'm a bengali Indian myself 5:20

[@RedPanda450]

I feel like y’all just had this conversation. Edit: Watched the video and agree with your final comments. I think “Yes and” is the best approach to this topic.

[@orig1990vintoy]

The word "Asia" was derived from a greek word that Herodetus referred to people living in what is now Anatolia, the Persian Empire and beyond. In short, "Asia" is a concept created by the western white man that referred to all lands east of Europe which would include the Sub-Continent of India. As history would tell you Alexander the Great went beyond the Persian empire. It wouldn't matter what a certain people identify as because the word Asia is Category that was used to by Europe to make sense of the world.

[@titaniumskunkogkush4365]

Most shallow people don't understand what it means to be Asian. It's cultural. Asians don't even know that Asia means East as you mentioned. It doesn't mean genetics/ looks. It means people from the East. Not all European look the same but they all consider themselves European. Asians don't all look the same but somehow they have stigma of being Asian and will identify as not being Asian.

[@StickyKeys187]

It's a eurocentric term. Just like how turkey used to be called Asia minor back in the days since the lands east of the bosphorous strait was in "Asia."

[@WastedBananas]

@@StickyKeys187 Exactly, and we are trying to detach ourselves from Eurocentricism not uphold it.

[@macoswatkpop686]

Asia is not Greek word it is Hittite word. The Greek word is Anatolia , Asia is Hittite word. Learn history from Hittite.

[@macoswatkpop686]

@@titaniumskunkogkush4365 Not all European not look same in facial phenotype but when it comes to facial physical traits they were all look alike. They are 𝐂𝐚𝐮𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐢𝐝. East Asian and Southeast Asian don't alike when it comes to facial phenotype but when it comes to facial physical traits. Both East Asian and Southeast Asian look alike. The case in Europe is not same in Asia lol. Europe had only one race the 𝐂𝐚𝐮𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐢𝐝. Asia had 𝐂𝐚𝐮𝐜𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐢𝐝 and 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐠𝐨𝐥𝐨𝐢𝐝. Do not compare Europe and Asia not same case lol. Your answer is very far and unmatch.

[@chaosfire321]

I always preferred being called Indian. I remember whenever I filled out paperwork when I was younger and the Choose Ethnicity box would always have to be ticked as Asian American, I always felt kinda ticked. Like, c'mon, you guys can't add another category there?

[@xxmemestar69xx82]

Thanks for having this conversation. Really appreciate these various topics being talked about.

[@lipstick3086]

In the UK - Most people would consider everyone from the far east/ east asian as chinese. That would be assumed. Indo/pak is asians