Furina's Story Quest made me UPSET

[@Matzukis]

The actual reason why Furina apologized instead of Paimon (who was clearly in the wrong) was probably a trauma response. It happens often that people with trauma, anxiety or abandoned issues apologize for everything and putting the guilt on themselves cause they got used to people leaving at the slightest wrong sentences. Poor Furina finally got rid of her immortality so she was probably way to afraid people will keep leaving her.

[@Jakethedogg22]

No replies damn take one

[@zan_partizane2415]

1:17:17 honestly paimon was at fault

[@mito-ek8407]

Actually the reason she apologized because in Chinese paimon and the traveler was a lot niceer and more considered then the English version But the translation as usual has slaughtered paimon's character it's like they're trying to make the English version as unlikable as possible

[@zan_partizane2415]

@@mito-ek8407 ohhh. Well the could have made sure her response was changed with the new paimon translation

[@knsrulz]

Dulphy is me "I've spent my whole life battling the effects of ill health, and it kills me to watch you willingly ruin yours". Every time man, i can't stand people having relatively good health, and intentionally trying to ruin it.

[@date5960]

Every Asian parents

[@date5960]

I'm glad you also criticised the Traveller and not just Paimon.

[@ryankwon8785]

The Traveler not telling Paimon about Furina’s suffering should be considered. Paimon is sarcastic and Furina’s act did not leave a good impression. However, Paimon can show sympathy and kindness which is what she did with Nahida and some others.

[@why-so-toxic_1413]

Paimon please for the love of god she has ptsd leave the girl alone plz

[@iDislikeAlotofThings]

Unfortunately Hoyo seems to want to keep making Paimon more and more unlikable

[@zir456]

​@@iDislikeAlotofThings She could become last boss💀 That's why They make people dislike Her more and more to disconnect Her

[@FreakyOverhaul]

Traveler was even worse

[@FBEAR05]

Paimon doesn't know what Furina went through. Remember, only Lumine took a peek inside Furina's mind when her hand touched Furina's tears. It's likely she didn't tell Paimon what happened.

[@UryuCifer]

paimon did nothing bad tf you talking about

[@cardnacn6704]

After playing in JP and seeing people opinions in EN and CN, I think the main factor why Furina SQ looks pretty bad in EN might be more on EN script team. From what I heard when I watch Ying play this quest, all of Paimon's dialogues sound a lot more like friendly bantering than being inconsiderate. Even when I play in JP, Paimon sounds more friendly. I think they EN translators team might forgot how tone of their dialogue should be.

[@thanse3543]

Yeah when I watch people play with en dub I kinda start zoning out since the tone completely changes the nuances of the conversations and I don't want to pay attention anymore.

[@cardnacn6704]

@@thanse3543 I think most(if not, all) of those "Paimon slanders" come from EN localization bc I never find her annoying or unnecessarily mean. Similar to Hu Tao's rap, I think the problem might stem from EN localization team choose to translate the dialogue directly instead of trying to change words and tones to fit the situation, which is baffling to me when they can let Itto deliver some funny lines that aren't direct translation from other languages.

[@232Invoker]

I can't play the JP dub for the Fontaine cast. IDK, Levi's VA IMO didn't fit Neuvi, Furina VA in EN was incredible. But oh well, I get hated a lot of for this.

[@cardnacn6704]

@@232Invoker I didn't think Neuvi JP VA would fit with his character either. His voice kinda grew on me bc it's fitting with the-dragon-who-can't-show-his-emotion-on-his-face-well kinda theme to some degree. Is it better than EN Neuvi? Ofc not. but I'm okay with it. While I think most of the EN voice are good, the tone and vibe of some characters in EN feel way different from other languages, which can give different impression. For example, Furina's prideful acting side in JP and CN sound like a tease'able quirky girl that kinda fit with Paimon's teasing dialogue to some degree. In EN, that side of Furina sounds way less tease'able and more prideful, which wouldn't fit with Paimon's teasing dialogue. Also, Paimon's tone in those dialogues don't sound like teasing and ready to take Furina's counterattack. That's why they sounds rude and inconsiderate to Furina. * This is just my impression I got from Furina's SQ. IDK if it's the same for other people.

[@adir6094]

Tbh I’ve seen the Impact of the different dubs on characterization quite a lot, I’d have arguments with a friend of mine on characters because our fundamental understanding of these characters changes based on the language of the game. And I found that my opinions align a lot more with my friends who play in jp and not with those who play in eng. but fundamentally we should know both of these are dub’s and the original characterization only can be seen in the Chinese voice acting.

[@ArtForSwans]

I barely consider the Traveler and Paimon to be characters in this game with how 1-dimensional they are, so I already felt like they were intruding on Furina's story. I didn't even realize they were being so mean because I mentally filtered them out.

[@MegaApostel]

I agree with your statement about the quest I really hope the next event story cheers you up

[@Crimson_Dale29]

I was half satisfied with her Story Quest, even so that I do love Furina's character as a whole. However.. for the Film Festival event quests, I have found the other half of satisfaction that "fixed" the known issue.

[@MegaApostel]

@@Crimson_Dale29 yeah but wanted my comment about the event to neutral agree with your feelings that “fixing”

[@PotatoMaster110]

Genshin really said, “What’s the best way to piss off the Genshin Community”

[@Groovecharge]

It’s almost entirely an english issue. I myself am depressed and really sensitive to stuff like this, and had almost no problem with the quest in japanese. Paimon was somewhat insensitive at the start but it got better. The voice direction is noticeably softer in jp. The Story is about learning to do what you love again despite your trauma and past, which i can relate a lot to. I liked it, the quest wasn’t perfect but still something i could relate to really well!

[@janina3879]

I played it in Japanese and took issue with it well enough. Especially in the beginning. It doesn´t really get much better.. there´s a few things like Paimon calling her a "drama queen" that was.. not to say poorly translated, but made it much harsher of a statement than it actually was.. but still, especially traveler should have been less of an insensitive jerk at the beginning.

i DIDNT REMEMBER PAIMON WAS SUCH A MENACE IN THIS MISSION WTF?!

[@subham.biswas]

1:41:35 Well people well dumb enough to not move out of poisson after seeing what primordial sea water can do and seeing the water level rise. So assuming furina as an actress playing furina is not out of the question.

[@Keiki-kun]

the only bad part was Paimon being completely insensitive the traveler stopped to listen to what Furina was feeling and comforted her (my favorite moment of the quest) Maybe if the writers didn't make Paimon drastically change her personality in every quest and make her stop being insensitive, many quests would be better Also gaining a vision is not a grand thing Sayu got one while she was sleeping, Fischl got one to continue being a princess, Ningguang lit one that she was going to sell nothing spectacular But yes, Furina loved acting, it's not because she suffered keeping the secret that she didn't love being a star because that was one of her passions and what made her happy in the midst of so much suffering that's why she got the Vision

[@lop90ful1]

tf you mean travler was an asshole to didnt even say sorry and gaslight her into apologizng to paimon while calling her weak

[@Keiki-kun]

@@lop90ful1 the traveler sat with Furina and let her express her emotions and listened to her problems and even gave her a little comfort in Poisson what are YOU talking about? Did you play the same quest as me?

[@darknessknows1235]

@@Keiki-kun the problem is that the so called comfort and consideration only really came by the time the player is screaming at the game to stop having characters be braindead. The quest itself isn't bad, but the way they execute it in getting Furina into helping the troupe was insensitive. For all that people rag on Raiden's first quest, it was without a doubt the way they should have taken Furinas/

[@Keiki-kun]

@@darknessknows1235 I don't expect the characters in the game to be perfect and have morals that are as bright as diamonds the fat dude wanted to replace the girl without even consulting her first, but obviously it wasn't with bad intentions the guy in the red suit was blaming himself for all those years and that's why he kept such an important secret from others, but I still don't think he was selfish Traveler wanted to force Furina to leave the house a little and even though it wasn't "cool" on his part, I thought it was the right decision (I've been as depressed as Furina was and I wish someone had taken me out of the house at the time and tried to cheer me up somehow)

[@darknessknows1235]

@@Keiki-kun the problem with the idea in agreeing that the traveler was doing it for Furina's own good is that it's entirely an assumption. There are few, if any, hints that they were actually taking advantage of the troupe to help her out from the start, nor do they actually feel like her friend or even friendly in the beginning.

[@gracefrench-miller980]

I know what the theme of this was, it's not letting trauma hold you back from what you love. but they should of done a different theme that fits in "mental illnesses" criteria

[@vinny8589]

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[@ElatedSphee]

Im so glad the traveler and paimon are (trying to) be better to Furina in the event story. This really pissed me the fk off with how they talked to Furina and all.

[@lo4tr]

What gets me about Paimon here is that this is the first real time she's been this bad. We've seen her interacting with other characters and giving them the benefit of the doubt... hell, even Ei, despite Paimon's only interactions with her being the Puppet nearly killing the Traveler. And I hear that the other dubs make her interactions seem like playful banter... but that doesn't actually solve the root problem. Paimon wasn't bad here because she made fun of Furina, it was because she continued to do so even after Furina called her out. Plus, she was clearly manipulating Furina into feeling bad about not helping even after being told multiple times that Furina wasn't going to do it. I've never disliked Paimon before... but this quest really put her on thin ice for me.

[@GC-Shadow1327]

I dunno, I remember Paimon briefly being an absolute jerk at Itto from the Chasm quest earlier.

[@rowenbednarik9938]

this is definitely the worst shes been... but she did tell scara to hurry up while he was in the middle of a mental breakdown so lmao

[@FBEAR05]

​@@rowenbednarik9938That was because they were about to die by Scara's robot puppet, and the Traveler couldn't keep up.

[@KlausHargreaves_x]

and i quote: "navia what was your mother like as a person? *silence* oh right paimon forgot that you mentioned before that she passed away during childbirth so you probably don't remember her at all"

[@lo4tr]

@@KlausHargreaves_x That's fair, but it doesn't really go against my point. Paimon's antics are usually because she doesn't think about what she says or does and it comes across as rude. With Furina, Paimon is openly and actively poking at her wounds, deliberately mocking her (even after being told by multiple people to stop), and gaslighting her into breaking her clear boundaries. Paimon treats Furina with hostility despite being openly friendly toward characters that were worse to her. She acts fearfully, but genuinely helpful toward Ei after watching her nearly kill the Traveler. She treats Childe like a friend depite him being a Harbinger, assaulting the Traveler, and deliberately unleashing a god against Liyue.

[@EZgunR]

Dont worry, in the newest event, the Fontanalia Festival, where Furina is the director, the writers acknowledged the outrage towards Paimon's attitude towards Furina in the story quest and decided to make just be an actual side character (clapper board loader) and make Furina the center piece.

[@BamfCross]

This event was coded and voiced long before Furina quest was released. In no way shape of form did they acknowledge anything people say within this patch.

[@zir456]

​@@BamfCross 💀 doesn't that mean the Writers going backward💀💀

[@Tuesday902]

@@zir456 Im an animation student and I’ve worked as an intern with a few companies before and usually it’s not always one team that handles the writing Especially with side stories like these there’s usually different teams that write them which is why the inconsistency of paimon and the traveler, well travels back and forth

[@am100t-cc]

Versions are made months before publication... even years after planning. xD

[@GC-Shadow1327]

The only problem is that 'Roses n Muskets' seems to be a limited event. Meaning the ugly side of Lumine and Paimon is permanent without a redeeming showcase for this quest. (unless Furina's part 2 quest solves all of this.)

[@callmelafey1842]

personal timestamp for 2:42:42 to remind myself how sweet neuvillette is to furina truly the second best thing of this quest (first being furina of course)

[@SuigaRou]

Kinda weird how people get mad at Furina's boundaries not being respected at the start of the quest, but the same people think it's cute when her boundaries are also disregarded at the end of the quest when they use her real name. I guess at that point everyone is riding the high of how beautiful the performance was and how she got her vision though.

[@motemo8413]

well that was not really a boundary she set though, they never even talked to her about the plan to reveal it.

[@jasonyang6150]

If i had a shut up paimon counter it went up a lot more times

[@DannyPhantasm789]

Not only Paimon and the traveler are being so harsh in this quest, the guy requests a replacement without the actress’ consent. Everyone is being so insensitive except Furina who felt guilty for rejecting the offer. Honestly, Furina’s development and ending are the only good thing about this damn awful story quest. If they didn’t make her likable in the archon quest, people would just skipped the quest immediately after the start.

[@mustsnip537]

crossing my fingers for a good act 2

[@waitwhosakira]

imo traveler is worse than paimon in this quest. paimon doesnt know what furina went through bc she didnt peek into furinas memories during the archon auest. the traveler knew what she went thru and yet was still mad rude and disrespectful for no rsn

[@animefanrk2k]

*me at the 10-minute mark looking at a level 1 Furina while I have a kitted out level 90 Furina* Bruh.

[@arendaria]

I am SO glad I'm not the only one that was upset at this quest. This is the first time I've truly disliked the Traveler and Paimon. They were both so rude, though Traveler barely holds herself in check sometimes. I don't feel like they deserve Furina's friendship. Furina on the other hand was THE best part of this quest. I loved seeing her emotional growth and moments of vulnerability. She was portrayed beautifully!

[@klru9181]

so agree. furina doesn't deserve it at all.

[@SurgeMax222]

What were the writers trying to achieve with this quest besides giving Furina a vision. Paimon and the traveler were completely inconsiderate. They guiltrip her, gaslight her, and she should have shown them the boot and not accepted the task/roll, and she should not have apologized. In the archon quest, the traveler said that he/she could be someone Furina could lean on and confide in, this quest completely contradicts what they said and I am certain everyone who did this quest hated paimon and the traveler. Furina's second story quest better be more considerate of Furina.

[@SurgeMax222]

@Mina, I thought you should know in Furina's character story when she moves out of the Palais Mermonia clorinde visits her and tries to get her a better residence with her own money and helps her with unpacking and takes her to a party, so Clorinde is her best friend (in my opinion) depending on furinas second story quest the line in her first that says she has no friends is a plot inconsistency. Honestly, this is why I am going to pull clorinde when she comes out

[@Urlocalcrackhead]

I didn't hate the Traveler bc unlike paimon, at least they tried

[@mijmijrm]

maybe not "hated" traveller, but downgraded him from the assumed moral core of the game to merely the self-obsessed focus.

[@silhouette9699]

This comment is the definition of "I can't read". Furina's quest showed her, that even after all she's been through, Opera is still her beloved thing and she still likes it no matter how hard she trying to convince herself otherwise. It's about getting over your pain and move forward. She's not an immortal being anymore, she can't just spend her life thinking about past and being scared of everything, she needed that performance to understand that there's people who would love her no matter who she is now, god, human, actress or just someone behind the scenes

[@SurgeMax222]

@silhouette9699 agreed the quest did a good job with furina, but some aspects could have been handled better. Also, was the insult at the beginning really necessary

[@kacperdudenko6828]

Most people hate paimon attitude in Fontaine

[@Jurgir09]

Sloppy writing

[@ArtForSwans]

Just in Fontaine?? Paimon's attitude is rotten throughout nearly the entire game. I still remember that one sidequest on Watatsumi Island where two NPCs were having a tender moment and Paimon was literally throwing a fit that they were ignoring her and the Traveller. She's always been this bad.

[@Tuesday902]

If this event made you wanna build furina I hope you listen to her voice lines as well They’re very cute

[@kacperdudenko6828]

1:34:10 maybe becouse the whole settlements was struck by Catastrophe in which People lost their lives and also the settlement is in sorry state?

[@Matzukis]

The amount of ANGER if feel when confronted with Furina's story quest is beyond bearable!

[@treydenwatterson2217]

Can i hug furina please

[@selenaautufuga7597]

To be fair, the water levels used to be a lot lower, there is even a makeshift dam in Possion, which was probably built some time in the last couple years. Though... they really should have started to evacuate the moment that Dam was actually needed...

[@amielpines6603]

Furina my Beloved Wife

[@viirey410]

AQ Act.5 where?

[@SomeSilentSerpent]

The dad comments on Neuvillette are so freakin' weird, dude's the same age as Furina.

[@awesomewafflez07]

Neuvillete is several thousands of years old, Furina actually confirmed it in the lantern rite event (he became Iudex of Fontaine somewhere around the time Furina was created)

[@shade4759]

@@awesomewafflez07 Neuvillette is a reincarnation, he has some memories of the previous sovereign but, he is still 500 years old or a bit older, is in Remuria Quest

[@opocum4348]

Я не понимаю, почему Фурина вообще обнищала, особенно после того, как она многое сделала

[@befaulty]

Фурина сознательно выбрала такой образ жизни, она далеко не нищая. В своем диалоге в чайнике она говорит, что у нее куча денег, которые она накопила с выступлений за 500 лет, и обеспечивает она себя полностью сама :)

[@kyokosakura3192]

​@@befaultyТакая богатая, но питается только макаронами. Что-то тут не сходится.

[@befaulty]

@@kyokosakura3192 ахахах, может ей просто нравятся макароны. Да и она сказала, что готовит все сама, а учиться чему-то новому пока не хочет, вот и выбирает простые блюда 😄

[@kyokosakura3192]

@@befaulty За 500 лет можно накопить столько денег, что можно хоть каждый день в ресторанах питаться. Ну, или по крайней мере не только макароны покупать.

[@befaulty]

@@kyokosakura3192 опять же, Фурина осознанно выбрала такой образ жизни. Очевидно, что во время задания легенд она находится в безумно подавленном состоянии, а если прочитать ее историю персонажа 5, можно узнать, что она вообще целыми днями не выходила из дома и смотрела в потолок. Люди на грани депрессии/ в депрессии не ходят по ресторанам. Дайте ей возможность восстановиться и она снова заживёт полной жизнью

[@vinny8589]

Also I agree The traveler and paimon could've been less douchecanoes to Furina after all the b.s. suffering she went through she deserved SOME Sympathy..Paimon calling her a drama queen was seriously NOT Cool. The fact she was more or less forced up on stage and even had her own wants and desires ignored by the cast kind of irritated me also. It felt out of character for the Traveler to act so much like a jerk to Furina.

[@apersonkazoo]

Fairly, Furina, as our friend Stelle says, “RULES ARE MEANT RO BE BROKEN!”

[@mahmudalvi4523]

Paimon should have been in a coma during the quest. Not blaming MC. I have seen all the way from Liyue, MC actually has a vile personality. She ain't supposed to be nice. She gets wings, then she will yet herself off Teyvat, and that's okay. But Paimon is badly directed here.

[@tb1793]

Can the hoodie be a zip up instead of the pull over? Please and thanks!

[@shade4759]

I need to say that not even the poor ESP subtitles are as rude as ENG.

[@Profeta_Macarronaise]

still amazes me how hoyo launched the most perfect quest and the most out of touch one in the same patch

[@UryuCifer]

they didnt tho

[@seraphimmx]

i refuse to do this story quest just because let me girl rest!! ik i should get over it and finish it, but like I dont wanna do those, I actually refuse to this story quest, nothing can convince me otherwise. ‼️

[@justforfun3764]

Paimon still has a grudge against Furina. That's why she acted like that to her. Poor furina

[@emieldupont9400]

What grudge what did furina ever do to the flying emergency food?

[@momsaccount4033]

The issue isn’t the writing, but the localization. This story quest feels consistent with how the rest of the game feels in terms of localization. This isn’t the first time that the meaning of dialogue ends up being botched when translated over to English

[@RNG_Godd]

The fact that there are still people defending paimons behaviour is crazy. Would you actually say the things paimon and traveler said to your friend after experiencing something traumatic?

[@date5960]

Nothing new, there are a lot of crazy people in the world that treat their friends like that.

[@brennanwn]

1:01:06 - 1:01:10 PLEASE 😢

[@luyiwang5030]

Nothing wrong with a bit of push in order for her to open up to the world again. Very common in Asian culture, perhaps that’s why the western KZbin crowds aren’t a big fan

[@j.w.971]

@luyiwang you can also push someone to the point they resent it too. I think the Asian culture needs to chill out on some things like the real stereotype that they get mad at you for making a B instead of an A, if I'm in that situation, I'm telling my mom idc what you have to say a B is still a good grade, I'm not gonna give myself an ulcer because I didnt make a A.

[@timuito243]

Westards being loud as usual, what is new lol. Look at all the woke shit they try to force down in video games where no one actually wants lmao Good thing in Asia people don't give 2 shits about this, and just carry on

[@silhouette9699]

@@j.w.971 That's why you not an Asian, 5head

[@zir456]

That's where You are wrong, You can do so without being this Rude, It's like Traveller and Paimon nevervtalk for Hundred thousand years so Their Social skill plummeted down to the Abyss💀 Being pushy isn't the problem but how Is It worded

[@meisterl0]

They're a little nicer to her on the event quest right now😅 try that one

[@Jurgir09]

A little nicer… Jesus Christ… writers really hate both Paimon and Furina

[@darknez09240]

we should all hug furina instead

[@tb1793]

Watching this for like the fifth time across multiple creators still shows how horrible of a plot this had. Glad to see the majority of rational thinkers agree everyone was mostly horrible to Furina in this quest.

[@texasinstrumentti-nspirecx5555]

I think most of these streamers are missing the point and the whole concept surrounding the quest, it was mainly just mean part at the beginning with paimon and traveller that didn’t sit well with me. Besides from that the ideas around the quest was quite well written. From what I understand the majority of the hate for the quest stems from the lack of respect the character had regarding furina’s wishes and “rules” about not acting and being apart of the play and not providing her with the leisure to be free and act of her own will. Whilst this does appear to be true when witnessed at a surface level, you could also view that through forcing furina to break her “one rule” furina’s true freedom is gained. Her story quest draws direct parallels to the archeon quest, where focalors essentially sets furina the rule of never playing out of character. After the archeon quest is finished, furina is technically free to do as she pleases, however dispite being free she still sets another unbreakable rule for herself, “never to act again” which the traveller and very annoying paimon helps to break, ultimately setting her free from the binds of any “unbreakable” rules that govern her life. I can see how the writers of the quest were forced to portray paimon and the traveller in a bad light to drive furina’s personal development and story, however I think most players and streamers are caught up on this fact and see the larger picture because ultimately... rules are made to be broken - Galactic baseballer

[@itsafruit2989]

The writers really fumbled on writing paimon and traveller's dialogue They made paimon a little bit likable on sumeru archon quest And just forgot about it and made her more unlikable than before

[@cardnacn6704]

I don't think it the writers' problem bc Paimon's and Traveler's dialogues don't sound harsh but more like friendly bantering at most. I think it's mostly the problem on how EN deliver the lines and dialogue choices.

[@UryuCifer]

they didn't fumbled anything, paimon has been likeable since the start all the way till now

[@klru9181]

traveler and paimon is so disrespectful... I don't know why it's only on furina.. she doesn't deserve it at all

[@zerozgaming5770]

I can understand why they made traveler and Paimon that rude, they want to show people how determined Furina when she said no, I am not going back, yeah it's rude but it's a way to express Furina character after the Archon quest

[@floridaman1395]

59:48

[@kylegreen6711]

Traveler and Paimon did more good for Furina by pushing her to do exactly what she wanted to than any of you would do by wrapping her in blankets and coddling her forever. Thank the Archons she has friends like them to actually help her.

[@randonewb]

YES! I actually view more the act of "babying"/spoiling or being real empathetic and way too kind to Furina as more an insult into what she's been through. That act would completely be seen through by Furina given she's WAY more than a veteran actress at this point and it would be like spitting in her character as you'd be like looking at her as if she'll break at any point. Because whose to say that she may not eventually do a Raiden Ei and lock herself in her own room for who knows how long if we just leave her be. She needed a push and yes, not that hard a push as to what Paimon and the Traveler did, but a push to truly get a good look at the outside world and what resulted in her sacrifice.

[@lop90ful1]

No its just shittly written you can write all thsi wihtout making you characters sound unhinged Furina is the only character that constantly gets dissed

[@meisterl0]

I can see that but the wound is still fresh, they should have done it more slowly and the dialogues they used are just bad, that's why almost every Genshin youtubers and the majority of the community are upset in some levels

[@darknessknows1235]

lmao ya'll are joking yourselves if you think the two of them were actually trying to help Furina. Eventually, yes, but only because they were lucky that Furina's feelings and kindness put her in that direction, not because they were actually any help. Navia and Neuv were better than them and they had like 2-3 scenes

[@samuelchensantoso9677]

Completely agree with You there, this is a trauma We are facing, there is no 100% way to cure it, I even hear that trauma is possibly cure after the same time We are experiencing it or more, She done that in 500 years, aint no way We are comforting Her for 500 years, idc if its harsh or soft way, if I can help someone, even if everyone hate Me even if The person I was trying to help hate Me, I will do it, no matter how They do it, Paimon and Traveler succed, nothing else matter when facing trauma.

[@Fenrir014]

Nooooooo, mina yae miko is genshin life, i cant play this game without yae miko :)

[@zan_partizane2415]

1:01:39 the face Mina’s making is priceless (but fr paimon should shut up sometimes)

[@Zach174.]

5:15 Who keeps telling streamers this quest is good? This is the fifth streamer I’ve heard mention that and most of them gave the quest a 5/10 at best. It’s bad, and even worse if you actually have an ounce of cognitive function to think about it in the context of how act 5 went. 55:36 it’s especially that this is the first time their reaching out sense act 5. 1:11:26 “it’s too bad that we have to respect her thoughts and feelings” again who says this quest is good? 1:49:01 sure but real people don’t instantly turn to puddles when flood water touches them.

[@StanleyG23]

Okay, but something being good or not is very subjective and varies from person to person. The main thing though that this quest definitely should of brought up is that this takes place a while after the end of Act V and not directly afterwards.

[@Zach174.]

@@StanleyG23 given the fact they basically lie to the people to start an insurrection, stabbed Furina in the back, twist the knife, effectively told her to kys or admit to not being the archon (which was completely unnecessary, and anyone with half a heart and brain would have gone with the diluted idea to begin with), literally just didn’t care that they left Furina to cry for hours and at best wanting to stop the execution because “she still needs to tell us her secret” (the secret they basically already knew), then upon seeing what she went through instead of having a drop of sympathy this tone deaf mf goes “oh, I’m finally gonna hear what she was about to say to me”, she cries more as everything else happens, then they ghost her just to show up again making demands and laughing at her (let’s just ignore how gross it is that their first thought was “lets go get the traumatized person that was forced to play a role for 500 years to take up this gig (she’s over qualified for) for free”, and after all that they had the nerve to have Furina still call them friends (the same day their were pushing her boundaries and unapologetically insulting her) The villains are worshiped as heros, the hero is punished and vilified, and the general populous is dumb and inconsistent. By what metric is this good? And how is the time your biggest concern?

[@Tovy]

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[@Zach174.]

@@Tovy why I think act 5 is trash, without the longer, more detailed explanation. The full reason is basically 3 parts. The facts and how their actions don’t make sense with what we know they know, and the things we can reasonably assume they should known (Like the fact the O.M.D.C. was storing power; which she mentioned even civilians had figured out.) Then the trial because it seems like no one acknowledges how cruel their action were to Furina (especially with how unnecessary those actions were to begin with, and the fact that nothing good that happened was part of said plan.) And the aftermath (mostly the fact that there is literally no good reason why they are keeping the truth a secret.)

[@Zach174.]

@@Tovy in short, this is why I think Fontaine is bad. And the closest I’ve gotten to someone telling me how it’s good was “Oh, you just have bad tastes”

[@leontran1852]

While i understand why people disliked how Traveler and Paimon treated Furina during her story quest, i also need to remind everyone that the writer is a Chinese, and in South East Asia countries, they have different cultures and different ways to deal with things. They would usually push the person whom dealing with sadness out of their comfort zone with the thought of “hey, being sad ain’t do shit, it’s better to get out there and work on something” instead of “alright honey take as much time as you like we will always be there for you”. It’s a harsher culture but it doesn’t mean they are being asshole.

[@samuelchensantoso9677]

This actually, if I were to be depressed, someone would slap Me in the face and say "Wake up bruh, its reality", that's just how things are here as sad as it is

[@rea7176]

But this is Fontaine, French, not Chinese, pushing Chinese way and culture into it makes no sense. Another thing is, she suffered PTSD from all her suffering of enduring her 500 years of acting, it's not the same as sadness or depression, it's a fucking trauma, you don't go and tell people with trauma to wake the fuck up samurai and think you're helping them. People's anger towards Paimon and Traveler is justified, they could have do it in a different better way but they didn't and chose gaslighting.

[@cardnacn6704]

From what I saw Ying(Genshin streamer who play in CN.), Paimon sound way more like friendly bantering in CN than EN. I think it's more on EN translation, tone choice or dialogue problem than Paimon and Traveler being a jerk.

[@samuelchensantoso9677]

@@rea7176 Bruh, only people that never actually experience trauma or even caught sight on it would ever say that, there is no right or better way to cure trauma, I am sorry, if its work its work, people are justified to hate on Paimon and Traveler of course if its in accordince with your culture and believe, just do so, no one is stopping You, also by your logic, this is Fontaine, its not French or Chinese, its inspired by French sure, but its mainly a Nation in a game from Chinese, not really that surprising or weird as You make it out to be to see some Chinese culture here and there.

[@leontran1852]

@@rea7176 it’s not pushing the culture, but it’s because the writer is chinese so natural their way of thinking is influenced by their own culture. If you tell a French person to write a about a Chinese and their story then you should expect the influence of French culture in that story.

[@sa87045]

I played this quest with CN, paimon was not like EN, this is first time I want to kick her very hard, like I use every strength I have in my live... Also first time I felt Lumine is not a heart worming sweetheart,I don't like that.

[@whoizrez]

Although not technically so, morally this is the worst story quest genshin has put out honestly

[@dawuid1491]

I don't know why but the EN version just made it sound so much worse. I played this in Chinese writting with JP voice-acting. While much of the frustration expressed here towards how insensitive the traveller and Paimon was at the beginning of this story quest still stands; the particular wording, and the voice-acting, especially that of Furina's when they first reunion infront of her house, was much less sufferable than the EN version. Nevertheless the core of the issue still stands in those versions, where none of the Furina's tramua and sacrifice were acknowledged,. The nonchalant attitude of the Traveller and Paimon; especially after baited and exposed Furina in the most stress-inducing manner; making her realizing her worst fear in her 500 years of performing her duty, even if it was for good reason, still remained. I still enjoyed the latter parts of the quest, especially the ending and the outcome for Furina was objectivly positive. But how things were kicked into gear was just... really bad writing. It's like two different teams (and probably true) handled the Archon quest and Furina's story quest, and the Archon quest team left Furina's conclusion unresolved and didn't inform the story quest team about it...

[@aoihitori]

Genshin writers was like 1 step forward 3 step backwards. 😂

[@kienphucnguyen2001]

Bran: Angry Mina: Upset Why?

[@John-hz8xy]

I'm the type of person who's like "it's just a cartoon LMAO" when things like this happens. But this story quest gave some nuance to my position. Just because it is a cartoon, it doesn't mean that the emotions we feel about how Paimon and Traveler talks to Furina is any less real. Hot take: I believe this Story Quest is a bit rushed. This story quest in particular would've been more appropriate if it was an Act II. Act I should've been Furina finding herself and healing from the 500 years of torment.

[@Zlyde007]

lol you're taking this so seriously, it's just a game lol

[@Drawing4Justice]

This is because you have an omniscient view of things. The traveler and the foontain cast didn’t know what you know. Form their point of view Futuna was being a brat and the risk of having everyone die was too high. Obviously that wasn’t the case but there was no way for them to know that.

[@KurouShiro6000]

Did you play the Archon Quest? The Traveler knows the truth about Furina, and how she'd been merely acting as the Hydro Archon for 500 years. His actions in this story quest are inexcusable because he witnessed firsthand through Furina's tears the suffering she had endured for 500 years.

[@5hark906]

"Go cuddle up in a blanket, go watch a true crime documentary, eat your macaroni, an-and-and-an go to sleep early" omg you'd be such a good gf for her- p.s. stupid headcanon about a stremer and fictional character

[@Tovy]

Sounds like really bad advise

[@homunculo8784]

It's very frustrating to see people who still do not realize that Paimon is like a child sometimes, once you realize this you stop taking her seriously when she is mean. It's even worse when many players think that Lumine/Aether is their Mary Sue/Gary stu.

[@GC-Shadow1327]

Paimon's status to be seen as a child is extremely subjective and unlikely. I don't take her seriously, but when I see her being a mega Jerk, gloves are off. On the other hand I view Paimon as an extended physical sub-conscious of the traveler, so I put most blame on Lumine.

[@clover.8147]

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