Fury: Forced to Execute a Soldier (Brad Pitt, Logan Lerman HD Clip)

[@troymellenbruch6418]

The backround soldiers are great in this scene. The way they act like its no big deal shows how much killing they've seen.

[@zacharygreen2895]

theyre actors man

[@crimsoncherry3525]

@@zacharygreen2895 No shit? What's your point?

[@zacharygreen2895]

​@@crimsoncherry3525you wouldnt last a day in this movie set man​

[@zacharygreen2895]

@@jessemedina4482 thats called acting

[@notdismays4166]

@@zacharygreen2895 bro no fucking shit it's a movie

[@fartypebbles]

I love how after that whole situation when Brad Pitt was kneeling there he was almost, not necessarily regretful for what he did, but more so realized how much he must have changed since the beginning of the war. Realizing that not everyone is capable of doing monstrous things with ease.

[@jaybeam1466]

That's the thing. Everyone is capable. Norman starts this film as an indealistic young pup. He has a good heart and he sees the futility in war, but at the same time he's completely ignorant to the realities of war. His growth throughout the film is equally tragic and triumphant.

[@CatThwomper]

@@jaybeam1466 I understand what you mean, but I disagree. I think there are many people, who would rather die than do the things seen in war. Granted, have I ever been in a war? No, but I know that life is not something for me to take. Though I think this is a topic that is debatable, I just simply don't see how everyone on this God given earth is secretly able to do horrible things, as if you just have to be pushed far enough. That's my take on it. God bless.

[@ianbarker6867]

I think so too. On top of that it might be when he realizes he is so changed he can't go home, and he does not have a home that is not Fury.

[@jackl7778]

didnt your god make you a born sinner? whats the problem here@@CatThwomper

[@CatThwomper]

@@jackl7778 God didn't make me born a sinner, I am born unto adam, therefore I am born unto sin (so it's adams fault). Though I have been reborn into Christ, therefore I am saved. But even though I have been born into sin, that doesn't give me a free ticket to sin.

[@fadn4]

“I promised my crew a long time ago I’d keep them alive… You’re getting in the way of that.” Is such a damn amazing line I think about it very often.

[@AremStefaniaK]

i dont know man... it's quite mediocre really

[@fadn4]

@@AremStefaniaK okay

[@dumann9142]

@@fadn4 And how much the inglorious Basterds meant

[@fumed2346]

​@fadn4 there always that one guy that has to talk shit huh lol

[@bcm3938]

Proceeds to get them all killed in the end.

[@mikkel066h]

Love that you see the German soldier that is getting his leg treated is looking in terror as Brad Pitt walks of.

[@mikkel066h]

@@dps2646 because the German soldier that got shot had a US army jacket on. So technically they could shoot him without it being taken as a war crime. They treated that German soldier since according to Geneva convention any prisoner of war has to be treated if able with the same care and standard as your own soldiers. Plus makes less sense to equip an American in German uniform and let a German combat medic treat him.

[@Rualnys]

The German medic treating his troops is a dead giveaway. Edit: That other guy that challenged the comment deleted his comment 😂

[@MrNewAbortion1]

@@mikkel066h No it is a war crime since he was still wearing his own uniform under the US jacket.

[@northernsupernova1]

@@mikkel066h the guy in Furys squad is wearing a German helmet. Should he be killed to? Grady is wearing a Wehrmacht jacket and helmet

[@mikkel066h]

​@@MrNewAbortion1 It a technicality. Would red cross or any military official look at this incident and take time to gather enough evidence to make a case that it was a war crime. Likely not since the German was in an American jacket and it would need eye witnesses to testify and a whole lot of other things for this count towards a war crime. Plus matters little that you are wearing the German uniform under the jacket. Tha law protects people that can clearly be identified as one side or the other. “It is especially forbidden … to make improper use … of the national flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy.” and The Geneva convention "Clothing, usually of a specific colour/design, and insignia, worn by members of the same military unit. In international armed conflicts, combatants have an obligation to distinguish themselves from the civilian population and this can be achieved by wearing a uniform. Therefore, members of the armed forces engaged in or preparing an attack without wearing a uniform and/or failing to *carry their arms openly are not entitled to the status of prisoner of war*. The feigning of protected status by wearing the uniforms of the United Nations or of a neutral or other non-belligerent State is prohibited by IHL. A combatant attempting to gather information on the territory of the adverse party while in uniform shall not be considered a spy (and will therefore benefit from prisoner of war status if captured).

[@devenmacintosh4124]

Upham from Saving Private Ryan wouldn’t last a day with the Fury crew

[@chrisascolesi5885]

Word

[@fenrirrising131]

He was such a pathetic disappointment. Great actor, and the real man was great. But the character writing was abhorrent

[@devenmacintosh4124]

@@fenrirrising131 He is by far one of the most aggravating characters I’ve ever watched on a big screen

[@metalrocker627]

Upham would’ve been better off as a POW, lest he rat, which he probably would’ve… never mind, he’s better off working latrines lol

[@thermonuclear8335]

They would have turned him into a real soldier tbh like they did this guy

[@chghfd4946]

War or no war, Brad Pitt hair is divine.

[@ADAPTATION7]

Yes, he does have nice hair.

[@fredhammer6413]

He also has a beautiful mangina.

[@supremeoctane5657]

@@fredhammer6413 🤨

[@depzoff-road8394]

no having a hairdresser in the nearby trailer is divine

[@JS-bh3pz]

Have you seen World War Z? I thought he was advertising hair products throughout the entire movie.

[@1976brenden]

The entire underlying dynamic of this film is absolutely amazing! Top has to create monsters out of men in order for them to survive, but he is torn apart by that very necessary process knowing he is simultaneously ensuring that any of those men that survive will live tortured existences. Unreal

[@matthewesquire4518]

Horrible behavior by a commanding officer. Forcing subordinates to execute prisoners of war was common - by NAZI officers.

[@ststes]

Even in the last scene of this clip, when he's telling normal to get something to eat, it feels like he struggles to look Norman in the eye for a few seconds -- after what he just did to him. He really is torn apart about it inside

[@jordanhester4821]

That's what I don't think people get when they disrespect our military or veterans, their job is to literally get traumatized overseas so we don't live a life of trauma like other countries have to everyday.

[@Jdb63]

@@jordanhester4821 Once upon a time that was true. For the past half-century or so we have been the terrorists

[@CatThwomper]

@@jordanhester4821 Exactly. God bless their souls, and I hope that, though they may live this live with trauma's that most of us will hopefully never have to endure, they will live in bliss with the Lord our God in Heaven. God be with them all, and help them through their journeys. God bless.

[@FASynergy]

One parallel I notice about this scene. When the German is captured, people are shouting at him, asking who he killed for his American jacket. In fact, he is executed basically on the spot for this crime. Then, when Norman goes to the others afterwards, Grady is wearing a Wehrmacht jacket and helmet, showing the incredible double standard; killing a German for stealing American stuff, but not batting an eye when an American does the same to a dead German. Great parallel to further show the grey morality of warfare.

[@kevinflem2036]

Morality of War is German started the innocent bloodshed, it is a trophy war that is why Grady is wearing a Wehrmacht jacket and helmet. USA is on the right side of WW2. to do not forget who started WW2

[@NAS_Syberia]

There is difference in for example fighting americans in american uniform which is breaking law of war and messing around with captured/looted/taken german uniform as a battle trophy. Grady didn't break a law. Man its two completely different things

[@amorantoboy]

@@NAS_Syberia what do you mean he didn't break a law? He committed a war crime, he executed a POW lmfao. Licking boots doesn't let you rewrite history

[@NAS_Syberia]

@@amorantoboy IM into this shit man, if you Wear opposite side uniform to fool and kill your enemies and you got caught, you dont have right to POW status, read some internet then come back and say sorry that you were wrong

[@zacdonovan8544]

@@NAS_Syberia not really the same thing, using captured equipment is fine almost every army aside from the americans frequently relied on clothing taken from the other side if that guy has no coat and there is a one availiabe to take you take it. the rule your refering to would only be considered violated if they could prove that he was wearing a full or mostly full enemy uniform with no attempt made to remove identifying markings he is still wearing german issued webbing a german helmet and is though its not shown it can be assumed a german issue weapon that would be fine escpially in the prevaling climatic condtions. on the other side what bradd pitts character did here was without dispute a warcrime he killed a un armed clearly unifromed surrended POW without provacation with no extenuating circumstances, he also commited a regular crime in forcing the younger man in particapating if he survived the movie he would most likely have faced a cout martial and depending on judge and if the war was ongoing probally the hangman

[@professor.moriarty9803]

Soldiers in the back was a great part of this scene, almost all the NCOs are emotionless, others either laughing in irony or trying to encourage him

[@They_Call_Me_HeartFace]

As far i remember: He was the only one left for almost the same exact reason: Conscience.

[@edvinparmeza1298]

not only that, but he was also spared by a German young man the same age as him, it shows two people with clean conscience from opposite sides, they both didn't want to see anybody suffering, they just wanted the war to end

[@chrishestand1032]

@@edvinparmeza1298 As it was the end of the war, there's a good possibility that the SS who spares Norman was simply a kid that was plucked from his home and forced into the SS. Sure many of the SS were psychotic fanatics with undying loyalty to Hitler, but the kid may not have wanted to be there any more than Norman did.

[@edvinparmeza1298]

@@chrishestand1032 the kid was part of those soldiers or generals and commanders who were fighting just as a duty to their country, they were not part of those psychos who were following the ideology, I think the movie was trying to portray this thing, both sides had people with preserved conscience and innocence like Norman

[@chrishestand1032]

@@edvinparmeza1298 Could be as well. But I do tend to think many of them just wanted to go home by now. If they still had a home, that is.

[@edvinparmeza1298]

@@chrishestand1032 true

[@v3dovaloo739]

My great grandfather served and had to shoot the tank gun the entire time. He was apart of a division and witnessed the horrors there. Never spoke a word about the camp until he turned 92 and was losing his mind. So sad Edit: He did not liberate Auschwitz’s..turns out my grandmother thought all concentration camps were called Auschwitz’s. That was simply what I was told. Was not expecting this to track attention, but I am absolutely not lying. He was sent to Europe as a replacement infantry at the age of 18, and was apart of Co B, 34th Battalion, 3rd platoon. He was in France, Austria, Italy, and finally Germany. Everything I shared in my comment was information I was told by family. The information I’m sharing now is what is stated in his obituary. I do not know which concentration camp, and I’m not sure how to find out. If anyone knows that would be helpful!

[@CollectorChronicles]

That’s odd. Americans didn’t liberate Auschwitz

[@freddougfreddoug4766]

What did he say about it?

[@freddougfreddoug4766]

Btw my grandfather served and was in Auschwitz’s as well. He was a guard

[@DNBS2018]

@@CollectorChronicles When did he say he was American?

[@rmp3648]

My pap survived Normandy and made it to Germany. I asked my Dad if he thought Pap would talk about the war. Dad said do not ask.

[@alitlweird]

That would be a moment in your youth that you would never forget.

[@BlueWhales_]

really stating the obvious aren't we pal

[@GreenEyedDazzler]

Wow no shit

[@DontDefuse]

I wouldn’t need to be forced to do it like this kid did. I’d be like “any more around I can take out? This is fun”

[@Samuelon552]

@@DontDefuse wow so edgy and cool

[@vicwaters87]

@@DontDefuse One of these days, I hope you can stop and reflect on the stupid shit you've said in your life and just ask yourself honestly, "Why do I derive so much pleasure in saying awful shit? Do I think it's funny? Am I psychotic? Is being edgy the only thing resembling a personality that I truly have? Or am I so desperate for attention that I'll say anything I can under the cloak of anonymity"?

[@Antimanele104]

4:47 You can also tell Don didn't want to kill the german soldier, but he also knew there was no other way to make Norman do his job as a member of the team. In a way, Norman's innocence is the last thing that remains of Wardaddy's humanity. Also touching how Boyd was the one to console Norman after the execution.

[@SirToaster9330]

Also that soldier committed war crimes

[@ratagris21]

​@@SirToaster9330yes it is, but then again if you're on the winning side it's no longer seen as a war crime unofficially.

[@wordsoffire2416]

Not at all. WAR is getting to him.

[@justinthebeau2590]

He didn't want to have to do that to Norman you could tell it hurt him in a way

[@Loutron3030]

The amount of media illiterate people who think what Brad Pitt's character is doing here is anything short of an abusive exercise of his own pain and frustration on someone whose weakness he can't tolerate as a matter of distorted principle is really profoundly disappointing. Fury is supposed to show that even supposedly "just" wars create injust people but I guess that point went over people's heads if anyone thinks there's a purpose in hitting your subordinates and berating them until they wish for death.

[@dondee5439]

They showed the German soldier mercy in SAVING PRIVATE RYAN by letting him go free and he returned and killed Tom Hanks in the final battle. The brutality of war calls for a lot of morally tough decisions.

[@86Corvus]

The guy was wearing allied army coat, which means he was masquerading as allied troop, which is espionage which is punished by death.

[@SStupendous]

@@86Corvus -Which means he picked up a US army coat, not that he was pretending to be an allied troop, use your head

[@JosefiStrauss]

@@SStupendous That doesn't matter, wearing enemy uniforms has been a war crime since before the second world war, espionage or not.

[@SStupendous]

@@JosefiStrauss He's wearing a coat my guy... so all those pictures of Entente Soldiers in WW1 wearing captured Stalhelms and Pickelhaubes should be treated as criminals and executing them would be justified? Vietnam veterans who used captured VC guns and clothing should be incarcerated at the least? Come on.

[@JosefiStrauss]

@@SStupendous I'm talking about the laws of war, friend, obviously some soldiers will have fun wearing the uniforms of defeated enemies, but if the enemy caught you with them, they justified shooting you

[@Khillz95]

I like how now the crew got up when Brad pitt stepped in the three got huge respect for the leader

[@blakeb4583]

My grandfather, and two of my great uncles, fought in WW2. My grandfather fought in the North African Campaign, one great uncle was in Sicily, and not sure where the other one was-but believe I was in Germany (never met him though). I wish the other campaigns were discussed more because everyone only thinks Germany and Japan when they think of WW2, when many other died in France, Africa, Italy, etc.

[@keghoarder2975]

Other countries teach more about the other campaigns but the US primarily focuses on Japan and Germany

[@dumann9142]

Have they seen inglorious basterds

[@eastsidejugga948]

the scene where he prayed for the young solider was heartbreaking

[@Stl10699]

@3:38 I love how Scott Eastwoods character is just snacking like he's at the movies. Just another day.

[@EricToTheScionti]

How tf you know hos bame

[@Stl10699]

@@EricToTheScionti he's in alot of war movies. Not a crazy well known actor but known none the less.

[@booboo4ever24]

He has a lot of cameos in movies like Fast and Furious and obviously his dad is Clint​@@EricToTheScionti

[@Yimika777]

he’s so fine

[@silversteele6624]

@@EricToTheScionti Cuz hes Clint Eastwood's son... Like wtf. How do you not? LOL

[@RiverAnglin]

Brad Pitt should’ve gotten an Oscar or some kind of award for this film

[@sawyerrichmond4193]

Percy Jackson if the gods found him guilty of stealing the lightning bolt

[@nickd457]

It is the duty of a soldier to disobey an unlawful order.

[@patriot1525]

this was not an unlawful order

[@jacobhall2628]

@@patriot1525it is quite literally a war crime to kill a surrendering unarmed soldier

[@Cyberi0nix597]

​@@jacobhall2628I also like the fact that people are trying to cover this with the justification of "the German was wearing an allied coat and thus our warcrime is justified"

[@Fergie410]

@@jacobhall2628he’s wearing an American coast which is against the Genova convention to loot and wear enemy uniforms and then surrender in it so he can be executed

[@Fergie410]

he’s wearing an American coast which is against the Genova convention to loot and wear enemy uniforms and then surrender in it so he can be executed

[@ygorschuma3059]

I love the subtle nuances this entire scene has: The german soldier being executed for the jacket, when Grady is doing the same thing. "No no, that's the easy part" shooting is easy, living with it isn't. "Do it, do it Norman! Do your job." Don tells him to do his job, not kill that man, unfortunately his job IS to kill that man, but he says it in a way to keep it "professional". Don is later seen reflecting on it, not even him wanted to execute that man, but he had to in order to show Norman the true nature of their job and war.

[@aldrikvonkralsteyn8117]

Killing a prisoner of war is surely forbidden in the US Army as well. But it is not taken that precisely 😉😘

[@reasonableraisin3366]

@@aldrikvonkralsteyn8117 he was wearing an us uniform so they technically were allowed to kill him

[@aldrikvonkralsteyn8117]

@@reasonableraisin3366 Like the Vietnamese termites in My Lai, right 🤗😘

[@GeldtheGelded]

You put lots of unnecessary thought into the act of killing an unarmed man

[@aldrikvonkralsteyn8117]

@@GeldtheGelded You want to say the soldier is a combatant and can therefore be shot?! In the German Wehrmacht there was also the service instruction that combatants were to be shot immediately, but this man is marked as a soldier, apart from the coat he wears a German uniform, helmet, belt gear, boots. That doesn't make him a combatant. Action and Reaction. This fantasy film doesn't show me a well-rehearsed military unit, but a mentally ill gang of robbers in a tank, who insult each other racially and incite them to commit crimes. So YES, of course I think about what kind of nonsense was produced and what the message of the film is. It's great when you show your guys from the American armored forces as heroes in such a mentally unstable state. Am I really supposed to think that all tank drivers were such an undisciplined bunch? But the fact is that the American tank crews were not held in high esteem by the infantrymen of the US Army, which is why such mentally ill robber units really do seem to have existed. Many in Germany still remember the crimes and rapes committed by the US armed forces against the civilian population

[@markmiller3308]

Spires would’ve at least given him a smoke first..

[@bubbahead383]

At least they both used the lord's caliber .45 ACP

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

*Spears

[@msgtvarela]

@@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM spiers*

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

@@msgtvarela : Oops, lucks we're all wrong, it's *Speirs

[@burtinhart8438]

My father was in the 12th Armored Division. It was very much like that. My father told me about it. If you 'd like to know more about how they got that way, check the Holocaust Museum, and check their records about the 12th.

[@gonzacollao]

thanks for the insight brother!! will definitely give it a look

[@mr.smithgnrsmith7808]

Propaganda museum

[@marcsimon6251]

⁠@@mr.smithgnrsmith7808my grandmother went through both Dachau and Auschwitz. Whether or not you believe the media and pictures and documents you’ve seen I can tell you that the stories my grandmother has told me and the pain and emotions on her face and in her body language can’t be made up. You may not believe that the holocaust was real but believe me it was

[@ishmael1555]

Propaganda museum

[@marcelllittlewarrior]

This is really one of my favorite scenes from fury. It really makes you ask the question who is in the right and who is in the wrong?

[@wizardmagic1580]

probably the guys not genociding minorities

[@dasportsfan2122]

Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini were in the wrong

[@dereklong2072]

​@dasportsfan2122 That doesn't mean executing a man who surrendered is "good".

[@brandonechegaray3874]

In war. There is no right. Only the grey mist

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@dereklong2072 Morality during war is a riddle. You have to win to get back to morality.

[@Del-Canada]

My grandfather stormed Juno Beach with the North Nova Scotia Highlanders. I know he saw some ish, stuff like this even. Would never say a word about it. He had a great sense of humor, and was a hard working man after he came home from Europe. He only talked about the good times. I know he had to delete people and he wasn't proud of that, but like was said here, it was him, or the other man was going to delete him. He died in 2010. Great man, such a dry sense of humor. When you come home from any sort of combat only your physical form comes back, your soul is in tatters and strewn all over the place and it never gets mended.

[@natesturm448]

4:47, you can see how much he hates what he is now without a single word said. He seen himself in Norman and the way he teaches is probably the way he was taught.

[@bubbahead383]

Brad Pitt isn't broken up about the German. It hurt him to force Norman to kill him, but it had to be done our it could cost all their lives

[@emperordarthnarutonamikaze4215]

Most Nazis Soldiers were mostly Young Boys And That German soldier Sound like he’s older and he’s just defending his homeland. not All German Soldiers Agreed with With Hitler and All Also German Generals Too. like Ewin Rommel He Rather go with German Empire From WW1. Ewin Rommel Was Forced to Work For Hitler. And Also Just Like the Japanese Tojo Was a Dictator. but Emperor Hirohito was Not Tojo was trying to hide Information From Emperor Hirohito. Tojo Was the one Who Committed War Crimes In East Asia

[@FASynergy]

"I'm not trained to machine-gun dead bodies," Norman says. Pitt's facial expression almost suggest that he's thinking, "none of us were trained to kill, you idiot." Then he forces him to kill a man begging for mercy because its more important to get Norman over that hump, to the point that he is fine with machine-gunning dead (or alive) bodies in order to protect his own comrades.

[@lesale3024]

Giving someone in your squad a good reason to frag you all for being evil pricks sure is a way to get yourself killed too.

[@masix2997]

It only works when a German CAN kill you. But here he sits and pitifully asks him not to kill. Maybe I misunderstood you or this translator is wrong, but I think you understood me

[@masix2997]

@@dps2646 But what will the murder of an unarmed, begging for mercy man give. Kill or be killed works when that person actually has a chance to kill you. Forcing a recruit to shoot a person kneeling in front of you is somehow not cool.

[@clonetroopersteve6780]

The German army was in basically disarray at this point. Low supplies, low morale. Dude was probably just cold and found the jacket off some poor guy who was killed.

[@aconformist1]

Yeah but if you are fighting in/near a battle and about to be captured you have to get rid of the coat before you are seen wearing it

[@aldowilliams4765]

I love the dynamic between Brad Pitt and Norman in this movie. You can sympathize with both characters for different reasons.

[@h1ob355]

Very intense acting. Must have been a very oppressive atmosphere on set.

[@stetsonhendrix9103]

Tyler Durden has been messing people up for a long time.

[@BackwoodsFilms]

Arriva Dare Chi

[@mikes5637]

It amazes me how many people I know who've seen Saving Private Ryan but haven't even heard of this. Every bit as good a WW2 movie in my book.

[@todolphy]

And just as unrealistic

[@russelllangworthy8855]

@@todolphy What was unrealistic about it compared to your experience fighting in WW2?

[@ericpettersson7857]

Fury is much better in my opinion. Before this We Were Soldiers was my favorite war flick

[@vassowned7768]

Fury is one of the most bullshit films there is want something kinda realistic watch band of brothers

[@russelllangworthy8855]

@@vassowned7768 I would say Jurassic World or any of the Star Wars movies are just as bad.

[@TheIllusiveMan11]

By far one of the cruelest acts I have ever seen in a war film

[@sidefx996]

That's because apparently all you've seen are movies and video games. It's estimated as many as 80 million people died in WWII. Try reading a book. Millions died a much more horrible death than this guy.

[@pilotwhaleproductions5880]

@@sidefx996 he specifically said “in a war film” wtf is wrong with you lol. This film surprised me with how cruel the American forces are depicted, its a departure from most black/white morality hollywood depictions of the war. I can’t think of any western films with such grit except maybe that one scene with the Czech defenders surrendering in Saving Private Ryan or the French reprisals at the end of Band of Brothers.

[@sidefx996]

@@pilotwhaleproductions5880 I guess I shouldn't be surprised that kids with cartoons for avatars who have never seen anything besides movies or videos games would be shocked by someone getting shot. In the middle of a war. Go figure. Like most everything else, people's barometer on such things varies based on life experience.

[@pilotwhaleproductions5880]

@@sidefx996 your life experience apparently involved no reading comprehension

[@spectralassassin6030]

@@sidefx996 As someone who's spent a lot of time reading stories from and about WW2, this is still one of the cruelest acts I've seen in a war film. You know why? I and the other guy specifically said, WAR FILM. We are not talking about real life. We are not talking about the actual recorded events of history. We are talking about a Hollywood movie. Get that through your noggin and stop being a little wang rod.

[@LizzyKoopa]

The coffee they give him at the end of the scene. It isnt for him to feel warmth or comfort. its to now keep him awake from the same nightmares they all share now and forever.

[@jondeere5638]

Nevertheless General Patton was chastised for slapping a soldier. (actually two of them). War is hell but In real life, it you treat a non-com like that, you just reduced your chances of making it back to home base. In Vietnam one of the things that the squad leaders would do is take the rifle clips from the newbies who went out on their first patrol so they wouldn't shoot themselves or their team when they panicked.

[@nickytheanimal2413]

He slapped dudes in the hospital with shellshock though, not like this

[@AnimePrayer]

At the beginning of a war: You are Norman. At the end of a war: You are Don!

[@Poofi3_841]

At 4:47 you can see he didn't want to do this to Norman, but he had to. Great acting!

[@snubbyy]

No he didnt

[@Poofi3_841]

@@snubbyy wow good argument! And why not? Care to elaborate?

[@HoodieProduction]

@@Poofi3_841 I'm sure trying to understand and judge the decisions of leadership during war is unfathomable, but to say that he made the wrong choice has plenty of merit. He forced a new recruit to commit a war crime for the sake of "teaching a lesson", I would argue that there are much more ethical ways to get your point across, there's also the aspect that you just made a traumatized killer who now might seek revenge and put everyone in more danger.

[@Poofi3_841]

@@HoodieProduction true, but in his eyes this was the only solution

[@williamkolzen6413]

This is hands down my favorite Brad Pitt movie. I've known a few Wardaddy's in 17 years in the military. I appreciate every damn one of them.

[@thespokenword6456]

You shouldn't. If they are anything like Pitt in this movie then they are poor leaders and war criminals.

[@jdwii]

Glad to see you appreciate the savages who turn children into mentally ill monsters

[@Walker-ow7vj]

@@thespokenword6456it’s a war crime to wear the enemy’s uniform bruh, not a war crime to execute someone who does this bro.

[@n4ko]

@@thespokenword6456 im know nothing about war. but im sure I can't put myself on any moral ground to judge none of this men. Or to believe that morality can be sum up on the laws of war or modern perspective in contrast to what war has done this men

[@Nystariii]

@@thespokenword6456 You mean, they're human?

[@jcdova29]

Not a Brad Pitt fan but he nailed this character.

[@Foodisgood]

Probably one of the more realistic scenes in this film. Hundreds of stories of WW2 veterans saying how they would line up german prisoners and shoot them all in the backs before burying them in mass graves.

[@marcinsmyczek8583]

That's a fucking war crime.

[@Redxxxkiller]

​@@marcinsmyczek8583 yepp, but who cared at that time really.

[@TheBuhrewnoShow]

Wrong. There were only ever two stand-out circumstances of this ever happening. In one case, the guy was let go with a slap on the wrist. In the other case, the guy was court marshalled and forfeited his rank and spent time in the brig.

[@ronyolo8419]

⁠@@TheBuhrewnoShowtrue, one guy was a kid on an mg in one of the camps and he just got pissed and laid out a bunch of dudes. I think he got the slap on the wrist but I’m not sure, I think his co was just like “you can’t do that but yeah”

[@MajinMist603]

@@marcinsmyczek8583that was the Meta during WW2

[@bradnov89]

The story Grady tells at 6:00 is short but perfect. He's basically telling Norman that this tough, seemingly cold and uncaring tank commander was once just like him.

[@logger22]

This is one of the most disturbing and darkest WW2 movies ever made

[@tribaljungle6865]

The thing is that the Sargent would have been court marshaled for War Crimes of executing a Surrendered Soldier and also for trying to force someone else to do it for him. After the war he would be trialed and jailed for this for life. The Geneva Convention was of course violated many times but all sides did it. Americans, Japanese, Chinese, Germans, Soviets, and even the minor powers of the war.

[@BillyButcher90]

Well no-one seems to give a shit about the Geneva Convention.

[@aconformist1]

@@BillyButcher90 Actually what happened here was completely legal under the geneva convention. This german soldier was caught wearing a US army uniform right after a battle. This is punishable by death. Doesn't matter if he is surrendering. He should have got rid of that uniform before surrendering. You don't have any POW rights if you were caught with enemy uniform after a battle.

[@planderlinde1969]

​@@aconformist1 He was wearing only the coat. He still had on his german army issue equipment and helmet as well as surrendered. Its a warcrime simple as that.

[@barbarossa1780]

😂 That would have never happened! We won the war! The heroes who carried out Mi Lai didn’t even get punished! Life in prison? 😂😂😂

[@haydengalloway5177]

Only the Germans obeyed the Geneva convention in general. Because of the Jewish influence in American and British media the people from those countries were brainwashed into becoming total savages. While German war crimes were very minimal and only retaliatory (like Hitlers bombing of London after Britain bombed German cities first) the allies engaged in a widespread campaign of terror. Carpet bombing civilian areas was unheard of before this. It was an attempt to shock and demoralize the Germans by killing their women and children. The allies did the same thing to the Japanese. The world seems so dark today as a result of that mindset coming out victorious. If the axis had won in ww2 we might live in a much different more peaceful and orderly world.

[@mr.b.9890]

This was the backstory of the punisher.

[@Youraveragesillygoober-s6p]

"your PTSD isn't scervisce related"

[@lord.d1_]

I kinda laughed at the scene where Brad asks the German "do you like fat girls"

[@CinnafunNation]

I like that his squad talks to him like a younger brother after. They were all him at one point or another, what they've seen and done made them who they are.

[@mondochild]

A trained killer…… can actually hurt his own heart.

[@DRourkey]

Pitts character wasn't punishing the kid. He was doing everything he could to make sure the kid lived

[@stevecooper7883]

Giving the kid PTSD at the outset doesn't seem like a good strategy. Imagine if he snapped and fragged his officer after being put through that because he thought he heard God telling him to

[@DRourkey]

@stevecooper7883 I mean, your argument goes both ways, and the other way is more likely in war

[@nicholascazmay2126]

In a situation where you are surrounded by people whose sole purpose is to kill you, you have to accept two things: - You are not the only one who wants to survive - Your team relies on you to stay alive If you are not willing to kill when you need to, you are not just endangering yourself but your team as well. Yes, the act of executing that man was heinous, but Norman wouldn’t kill at all before then even in combat. That’s why he was forced to do it. It was that enemy soldier’s life, or potentially all of them at a critical moment when Norman acting might be the difference between them surviving or not.

[@amorantoboy]

That's a whole lot of justifying a war crime. He executed a POW without direct command to do so. War is ugly and bleak and they don't need us justifying the evils done, even if they may have been on our sixe

[@DamienDarkside]

Side note, the enemy soldier was wearing a US Coat "WHERE DID YOU GET THAT COAT BOI?" which is against "war rules". It's the rules of war that aren't written down but you don't break them anyways, simply because it leads to actions like this where you get killed from the enemy side regardless of the Real Rules. Now although "two wrongs don't make a right" is absolutely truth, so is "check yourself before you wreck yourself". Don't care if it's victim blaming or justifying a war crime, because it isn't really relevant, it's still going to happen. Wearing the coat of the person you killed from the enemy, that's going to get you killed upon capture. Simply because the idea that YOU are possibly wearing the coat of a dead comrade that the enemy knows one of YOU killed is going to end up with you in Deadsville. Imagine a Russian soldier today being caught running from the Ukrainian Army in a Ukrainian coat, that is going to be a dead Ivan and nobody is going to go to court over it, and nobody but Russia would convict them, and nobody will cry for the dead.

[@LegionX7N7]

@@amorantoboy unless you go to war against people you despise with all your being than please don’t throw the war crime BS in the argument. Remember it was a completely different time nazis did so much horrors I think a public execution and a gas chamber is not very comparable in this instance you see the soldiers in the movie they absolutely hate the nazis with every fiber of there being. It’s easy to judge and it’s even more easy to see black and white war nearly erases that line. I will never judge them because I have no right no neither do you unless we saw what those solders see it’s not a valid point

[@Featsofgrace]

As a vet I agree it’s the reality of the situation

[@SStupendous]

@@DamienDarkside Realistically he could've just found the coat or got it off a soldier, or had it handed to him... has happened in many wars in many notable examples. Same with the firearms. Nobody's killing Vietnam veterans for bringing back captured Vietcong equipment and guns.

[@JohnSmith-pw1gf]

I love how the other soldiers don’t even react.

[@gonzacollao]

Brad Pitt is definitely my favorite actor. Fury, Inglourious Basterds, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Seven, Fight Club, Troy, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Bullet Train; many great films he’s been in

[@GabrielGarcia-u8v]

The background soilders.. the underlying moral dilemma against the need to ensure the survival of the crew.. the transformation process, this movie was something else.

[@tricktrapper]

my only issue with this film is that pitt clearly states in this scene he promised his crew he would keep them alive and then decides to sacrifice all of them in the end by making them stand their ground in an unwinnable display of pride, it just makes no sense

[@kylequintana]

They chose to stand with him, he didn’t make them all stay. He told them to leave, they didn’t want to leave his side. He made his promise and they made their promise to stand until the end with him.

[@Akodakun]

He literally told them to go while he'd stand his ground, idk what part of that seems forced

[@4040smokey]

@@Akodakun It's forced because it's almost impossible to say no to standing by your commander that's probably saved your life dozens of times. I don't think they had a choice but to stay. They would know life would be unbearable had they left him to die.

[@rrrrrr9894]

I don't think that's how it happened I think you need to watch the movie again

[@thomascooper1144]

@@kylequintanaThey did it out of sheer loyalty not because they really wanted to.

[@michaelagnew7493]

I can't justify what Pitt's character did, just recognize that it happened. There is so much beyond the official histories...thank God for Allied victory, now and forever.

[@ChristopherBergsten]

What the character did was allowed in war due to the fact that the enemy soldier had an allied jacked on. His rights are forfeit because of it. It is what it is. Having that said, I will thank no god for Allied victory. While I would not have wanted Germany to prevail... the US and A has completely fucked up the world in the last 80 years following that war. How many countries have they invaded now, again? But these invasions have been justified... until whistleblowers come out and inform us that it was a lie. That fucking country in charge is in no way shape or form an act of God. God abandoned the US a long time ago, at the same time as Capitalism took over a bit too much.

[@SamBrickell]

You are a soft man who has never been in a battle for survival... You aren't being asked to "justify" anything. You have no basis for even comprehending war unless you have been in war.

[@stevecooper7883]

Hacksaw Ridge also happened, where Doss like this kid refused to harm others and yet was the most valued soldier of his battalion

[@killercameo2091]

Absolutely great movie, I’m sure World War 2 was more terrible than the movie. But Fury captures the brutality of war pretty well

[@ducknorris233]

This s very much like when you work late and catch up with your friends at the bar when they are three drinks in.

[@littlewolf9049]

"Take the shot!"

[@macncheese1991]

i'm just admiring brads sick fade

[@Babidi111]

- Reported him later and now he's serving life for war crimes! Never let injustice go un tattled on!

[@stevecooper7883]

Especially when the kid he forced was a Desmond Doss at heart!

[@tomxaider2058]

The military commanders from this movie really learned a big lesson from Saving Private Ryan: In the middle of the battlefield, take no prisoners

[@notleviathan855]

I feel like this was just an excuse to make him feel like they all felt. This wasn't to make him 'hard' this was to make him just as guilty and evil like the rest of them, because they did things they should've said no to. Yes, this had the effect of making him hard, however it also goes to show how much of an asshole not only Wardaddy and his crew are, but also the soldiers behind them. Not executing an unarmed soldier isn't a sign of weakness, it's a sign of being a decent human being in a time where men are horrible to each other. That soldier could've easily become a POW, they had the manpower and equipment to contain him/send him back to the FOB or HQ. Instead they forced a green soldier to commit the most heinous warcrime. yes, I understand that german killed a US soldier, he might've also executed POWs himself. That isn't an excuse to go down to their level. Anyone that says this was remotely okay either has no combat experience, or is a piece of shit.

[@sjcobra84]

War Daddy: I will NOT make the same mistake that Cpt Miller made.

[@CactusCowboyDan]

At least Millar wasn’t an a**hole who abused his own men or laughed at the sight of death.

[@SStupendous]

Imao

[@BrassBashers]

I loved this movie and watched it quite a few times, a buddy and I were hanging out with this old salty Marine and he burst my bubble... "Well the movie was good, but tanker crews would have NEVER acted like that! They took pride in their presentation as soldiers and didn't curse or anything. I'm sure there were exceptions but they didn't look like grease monkeys or execute prisoners on the spot like in the movies...."

[@XmisterIS]

I'm glad that was his experience. I am British, my uncle was in the army in '44-'45, in one of the waves after D-Day (he was slightly too young for D-Day) about the same age as the kid in this clip. He told me only a few things about the war; he said once his section found a small group of German soldiers holed up in a farmhouse. There was a firefight, all the germans but one were killed. The last remaining german was brought out, the sergeant (who had fought through the whole war) told my uncle to shoot him through the head. My uncle could not do it. The sergeant took out his revolver, looked the man in the eyes and shot him through the head at point-blank range without batting an eyelid (a war crime). My uncle later discovered that the sergeant's wife had been killed in the Blitz. Another thing he told me was that some of the retreating germans had a saying: "Surrender to the Americans, they will give you chocolate and treat you well. If you are captured by the British, they will slit your throat and leave you to die" (or, in this case, shoot you through the head). And I can understand why - the Luftwaffe had bombed the shit out of many major British cities (and of course we had bombed the german cities in retalliation), the British soldiers were out for personal revenge.

[@armybeef68]

@@XmisterIS "and shot him through the head at point-blank range without batting an eyelid (a war crime)" That's not a war crime, that's just war.

[@armybeef68]

Hopefully he didn't say what you said he said, and I'll copy and paste what I'm talking about, "this old salty Marine" "They took pride in their presentation as soldiers" Marines NEVER, EVER, EVER call themselves a Soldier, NEVER. And yes, they did curse, where do you think we got the saying, "Cursing like a Sailor" They got drunk in bars and fought each other, they didn't take care of their equipment or themselves, they MIGHT have shaved once a week, but yes, that's how it was back then, he was just trying to blow smoke up your ass.

[@regibson23]

Sounds like old salty marine was full of shit.

[@techelitesareadisease8816]

@@armybeef68 That is absolutely a war crime lmfao. Executing a surrendered enemy in the field is evil. Always.

[@thearchivistprimaea7292]

Tfw they commit a literal war crime and everyone's justifying it. But if we saw Germans do the same thing we'd be screaming to the hills...

[@benz505]

That's kinda the point, though?

[@HTacianas]

@@benz505 This isn't criticizing execution, it's glorifying it.

[@diafam3662]

@@HTacianas you think the sad music in the background afterwards is glorifying it? How about the fact that it shows Norman himself was spared by an enemy soldier at the end of the film? There’s a reason they did that At best this was shown to be a necessary evil, he was forced to execute a prisoner cause he wasn’t conditioning himself to kill non-prisoners

[@randybonner9870]

Well who started this shit?

[@HTacianas]

@@randybonner9870 Probably not the guy who got shot

[@Waroftheworldsz]

For those wondering why they killed the German soldier it was because he was wearing an American uniform. This act was considered a direct violation of international law, quote: "Combatants who discard their uniforms and fight in civilian clothing lose their entitlement to prisoner of war status, combatant immunity, and other privileges of lawful combatant status" Also quote on wearing enemy uniforms specifically: “Making improper use of … the military insignia and uniform of the enemy …” (Art. 23(f) of the Hague Regulations of 1899 and 1907; Art. 39 of Additional Protocol I; Art. 8(2)(b)(vii) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court). Not all uses of enemy uniforms are prohibited; therefore, only “improper” uses. For example, wearing enemy uniforms in order to flee the fighting or escape capture does not run afoul of the law (U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual § 5.23.1.4). On the other side of the spectrum, engaging in attacks while wearing the uniform of the enemy is flatly prohibited, as affirmed in the treaty law and numerous military manuals, and is a war crime under the Rome Statute." It basically means that if you wear the uniform of an enemy combatant, you lost all privileges of being a combatant and are therefore considered a criminal under international law. Voiding your rights, and leaving you subject to the other sides ire and wrath. Hence the execution in this movie. Spies were also hanged for doing this on both sides.

[@tayzer22]

All I can do is honor these men for their sacrifices and doing their duty, and live the best life I can, and we all owe them that for which they gifted us with their blood and courage.

[@MrSunrise-]

You realize this is fiction, right? That it bears no more resemblance to history than, say, a John Wayne movie?

[@manletchief]

@@MrSunrise- I'm pretty sure he meant actual ww2 veterans, not the movie.

[@Lenn869]

tranny bathrooms and cultural marxism. nothing like it

[@JohnPopcorn06]

They are scum.

[@ericvasquez2021]

War kills a human physically and spiritually

[@madjack1748]

Executing prisoners is a war crime.

[@justinthebeau2590]

Not if their wearing the enemies uniform thats called perfidy

[@Rachel-sm7ym]

@@justinthebeau2590They have to be pretending to be enemy soldiers in order for it to be perfidy. This man wasn’t, killing him is a war crime

[@AntiFurryDivisionUnionRepublic]

"Norman...I havent seen eat anything all day so better get something to eat" This shows the Brad pitt (Wardaddy) Still cares about him a little

[@El_Doño_Da_Word]

Gonna be seeing a lot scenes like this in real life the way we’re headed.

[@klauswigsmith]

That soldier was refusing to obey an illegal order. He was right to refuse.

[@DaftPanda1]

Again, not a warcrime, or illegal. Wearing the enemies uniform is Perfidy, and committing perfidy means sacrificing your convention rights.

[@klauswigsmith]

@@DaftPanda1 The German soldier was wearing a great coat, yet still obviously identifying himself as an enemy combatant to Allied soldiers. He was not a spy, as the German kommandos wearing US uniforms and posing as US MPs during the Ardennes Offensive were. This was a German soldier who found a warm coat to wear. No different than finding a good pair of boots on a dead soldier, friend or enemy, and "liberating" them for your own use. Summarily executing enemy soldiers (and yes, even enemy partisans) who have surrendered is ALWAYS a warcrime if your nation is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions. Let me say it again for people in the back. If you summarily execute ANYONE who has surrendered, you have committed a warcrime. Period, Full stop. This is clearly laid out in the Geneva Conventions.

[@klauswigsmith]

@@DaftPanda1 Further, even when dealing with soldiers dressed entirely in the uniforms and gear of their enemy (spies,) such the previously mentioned German kommandos, they still retain their convention rights if captured and are (supposed to be) protected from battlefield executions. They are entitled to a military trial and can/will be executed if found guilty. You can never surrender your rights under the Geneva Convention. Your actions during war, if they are criminal, may subject you to a firing squad or hangman's noose, but that is ALWAYS for a military court to decide, not enlisted men or their officers. Again, soldiers cannot just go around administering justice after a battle. That is explicitly a warcrime.

[@aliuli657]

@@DaftPanda1 Funny how westerners always justify their own obnoxious war crimes exactly the same way as the russians do. "it's different when we do it"

[@paulfarmer1276]

And yet most soldiers didn’t care. “You kill him or he kills you, simple math.” The Geneva Convention is some crackpot attempt at making politicians feel more civilized about the disgusting messes they push armies into.

[@jarrettowens6073]

I couldn't what Logan Lerman's character was thinking. Having to shoot a guy who was probably a couple years older, or maybe even younger than him. War is pure hell. Especially for the boys drafted right after they graduated high school.

[@NA1c158]

I love that Brad Pitt could have been a hard@ss the whole time, but he was very gentle. Knowing the kid is still innocent. He sympathizes, but he knows that having a green gunner could get the entire tank killed. He really did this as gently as possible, the way a father would. And in fact, it seems that Pitt taking the kid's innocence affected him more than the kill did to Norman. This is such a great movie. This is a drama disguised as an action war movie. I'm not sure if it got awards but it deserves many of them.

[@CarosAnon]

He murdered a prisoner of war. Dude deserves to be in prison.

[@NA1c158]

@@CarosAnon yeah, fictional character belongs in fictional prison. Smh

[@nicholas.e5158]

@@CarosAnonlmao front lines anything goes. What are you smoking???

[@justinthebeau2590]

In combat you have 2 choices kill or be killed thats something both my grandfather's told me when they served in Korea and Nam

[@CarosAnon]

@@justinthebeau2590 they aren't in combat. They shot an unarmed prisoner of war. Your grandfather would hopefully kick the shit out of you.

[@AkimboJV]

Pretty clever sound design here. When they both shoot the German, the bass of the shot is very emphasized compared to the rest of the rounds that fired from here on out.

[@barbarossa1234]

This isn’t an execution. It is murder. Let’s call it what it really is.

[@UrbanNoyade]

That's what war is...?

[@donmcc6573]

It's war. How many men did that Nazi bstrd kill?

[@Crying_dog]

@@UrbanNoyadewar crimes exist.

[@alexanderthesk8]

"It is prohibited to use the insignia or uniforms of the enemy while engaging in attacks or in order to shield, favour, protect or impede military operations. If captured out of uniform, soldiers are at risk of being treated as spies or unlawful combatants." That means ANY army will execute ANYONE operating outside of the Geneva Convention.

[@UrbanNoyade]

@@Crying_dog ok? And?

[@fernandorojo6207]

Damn such a great scene. War is hell.

[@icarus8471]

Total war is a contact sport. People talk about the laws of warfare. There is only one true law in war, reciprocity. Once it became clear that the Nazis and SS were killing captured US soldiers, some of them ended up getting shot "trying to escape." That is how you have to approach fighting a fanatical enemy.

[@m.g.6182]

No. That's how you create a bunch of War criminals.

[@metalrocker627]

@@m.g.6182 “War Criminal” is an oxymoron because War in of itself is a Crime…

[@CactusCowboyDan]

So you are promoting war crimes and telling us its okay to shoot unarmed men who have surrendered and are no longer a threat? I'm sure the Russians and Ukrainians are applauding you. Also we all know that Americans and British have shot POWs in the Middle East. What's the excuse for that? "oh its war! its us or them!" You are becoming the monster you claim you are trying to kill.

[@russelllangworthy8855]

@@m.g.6182 You probably also think it was wrong for us to drop the bombs on Japan.

[@theforcedmeme]

It's only a war crime if you lose

[@squamish4244]

The only problem with this movie is that it's another one of those "pathetic weak rookie gets toughened up by war" stories. Like Saving Private Ryan and many others. They should have just told it straight from the perspective of the hardened tank crew.

[@nikkimiddlekillsday5161]

Maybe they were trying to show people that lots of soldiers start off with ideals of service to their country and honor but over time realize it wasn't how they thought it would be. My grandmother would tell me about all the wounds and bullet holes my grandfather got in WW2 and Vietnam and how proud he felt of them, but I'll never know if that was his way of coping with it. My great uncle NEVER liked talking about his time in the army, all he would say is when he dies he wants to be buried with his friends

[@michaelagnew7493]

Yeah but that's all war stories to be honest...people aren't born killing machines.

[@silviupopovici7122]

This movie was great. Rewatched it a couple of times.

[@aarn331]

Technically.... The enemy soldier was engaged in active battle with an enemies uniform... Which at the time was against the Geneva convention, which would mean that this man was sentenced to death and he would have been executed just like this.

[@CombatIneffective]

No that is incorrect. The coat may be American but the helmet clearly isn't. Nor was he trying to pass himself off as an American soldier. This violates the Geneva convention and was also an illegal and unlawful order given by the NCO to the subordinate.

[@scrunchgumpkins623]

@@CombatIneffective source?

[@m.g.6182]

No. Technically this is a war crime.

[@regiment589]

Technically, thats very lame excuse for murder. Go watch captured Skorzennys commandos during Bulge and stop talking shit.

[@CombatIneffective]

@@scrunchgumpkins623 first source is the defintion of war crime. A war crime is a violation of the laws of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility for actions by combatants in action, such as intentionally killing civilians or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages, unnecessarily destroying civilian property, deception by perfidy, wartime sexual violence, pillaging, and for any individual that is part of the command structure who orders any attempt to committing mass killings including genocide or ethnic cleansing, the granting of no quarter despite surrender, the conscription of children in the military and flouting the legal distinctions of proportionality and military necessity.[1] The second is the 3rd Geneva convention, article 1, part 4 regarding the treatment of Prisoners of War. Article 4 defines prisoners of war to include: 4.1.1 Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict and members of militias of such armed forces 4.1.2 Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organised resistance movements, provided that they fulfill all of the following conditions: that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognisable at a distance (there are limited exceptions to this among countries who observe the 1977 Protocol I); that of carrying arms openly; that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. The last is the Sergeant ordering the execution of the Prisoner of War is now a summary execution and therefore completes the chain of this being an illegal order.

[@PuntaPacifica507]

Germans also prayed and did not want war. War is hell

[@AlegreFranz]

ppl justifying war crimes in the comments is a new low even for yt lol

[@sidefx996]

Not everyone just climbed down from Mt Enlightenment like you. And I don't know about you but I see lots of people here passing judgment when all they've probably ever done is "lol" from behind their keyboards.

[@diafam3662]

It was justified cause it was the only way to stop Norman from getting his own people killed

[@frantisekbabic9683]

have you seen Save private Ryan ??? you know what happens when you release your enemy ? :)

[@Coyote6745]

​@frantisekbabic9683 saving private Ryan was during and a bit after d-day. Many German soldiers were still loyal and the guy they let go in saving private Ryan had just been captured from an active machine gun nest. Of course he'd just go right back to his commander or lines. In fury it's reaching the end of the European theater and thousands of Germans have abandoned their posts. Most already know the war is lost. Not to mention the dude was already alone based on the fact he was scavenging supplies from dead soldiers. And in saving private Ryan they had a small squad that was on their way to link up with more troops. They didn't have the supplies to hold prisoners. In fury there's like an entire company around, they had plenty of supplies and men to hold ONE prisoner until they could get him to the proper authorities.

[@stevecooper7883]

​@@Coyote6745Not to mention for every Saving Private Ryan there's a Hacksaw Ridge...

[@spade2187]

3:56 he was saying "look I wash for supper" lol

[@charlesburns7391]

The best thing about this is that the allies aren't these kind saviours who are good people. Some of the allies were terrible

[@michaelagnew7493]

Yeah but 99% of the Axis was terrible, so

[@josef6180]

the fact they were fighting the worst of the german army and yet this is how bitter they were about it still says a lot

[@miltonthegreat6520]

None of these soldiers are leaders but frightened sheep, bullied by trauma and each other, who end up drinking to oblivion.

[@WadeWilson-]

My grandfather was a helmet in WWII and since everyone's grandfather was there they know I'm speaking the truth. Thank you all grandfathers and greatgrandfathers and great gretas grand gretafathers in comments.

[@crazybudyys]

Sad to see both sides. They are defending a leader and they don’t even know why, we are defending ourselves

[@stevecooper7883]

Well this soldier was SS so he probably did know why he was fighting, but it's despicable to take the equivalent of Desmond Doss, a religious man, and force him to shoot an unarmed man begging for his life. Hacksaw Ridge shows the true potential of such a soul.

[@multisat]

"The first loss in War is innocence" - Platoon (1986)

[@adhdfinance2653]

this is technically not a war crime. You can't go into combat wearing the other side's uniform - it voids your protection under international law and you can be summarily executed. sometimes, it really isn't about whats right or whats wrong - its just about what it is.

[@saladmcjones7798]

I think this scene was more about combat veteran vitriol versus green boot "empathy." The guys who had seen their comrades killed/wounded in front of them feel nothing but hatred towards their enemy (especially one wearing their friend's cloak,) and the new guys are inexperienced and trying to be rational. I'm not making a stance on who is right, but I can see both sides of the coin here.

[@samwellboy]

@@saladmcjones7798 Standing up to your commander, refusing a direct order and saying "kill me!" while actually meaning it isn't what I'd call rational. If this isn't a very deeply moral stance - where one would rather die than sacrifice their values, I don't know what is. Just like you I'm not siding with one or the other side, but I do think this goes deeper than inexperience or rationality.

[@aliuli657]

Another case of westerner whitewashing his side's war crimes, color me surprised. You westerner redditors are psychos tbh.

[@Rachel-sm7ym]

It is a war crime because he is not continuing to pretend to be an American soldier. The rest of his uniform is clearly German, he is identifying himself as German, and he is surrendering. It is a war crime to execute him. It doesn’t matter that he is wearing an American coat.

[@ParadigmZwei]

I like how, after all that, even Grady doesn't make fun of or belittle Norman. He might be a bit of an asshole but he can still read the room.

[@DarkPrinceRaven99]

I love forcing people to commit war crimes.

[@diafam3662]

Getting your brothers killed cause you’re a punani is a bigger one

[@sansaintbatroc4935]

Why didn't this movie win an Oscar?

[@youngtrainingdaywestphilly203]

I don't know whether to cry or be enraged...😫😡

[@marlonquintana3466]

🤨

[@SStupendous]

@@marlonquintana3466 What do you mean?

[@harrisonmauldin5090]

Like he said, it’s you or him. Pick

[@JoMcD21]

A man chooses. A slave obeys.

[@aconformist1]

German soldier was a dead man anyways for being captured in a US army coat.

[@alf3811]

Saying at the first moment that he was unarmed would have made the argument much more easier for Norman

[@DrumFuckerFr]

I doubt it. I think Wardaddy would have given the German an empty rifle and made up a combat situation in order to deal with that argument.

[@adambennett9688]

As cruel as this action is it does help him later down the line. When you have line that feels impossible to cross sometimes you just need someone to push you. Once you're over that line, thats it, the hard part is over. All you have to do is stay there till the jobs done.

[@sergiomengual]

The Lieutenant forces a soldier to execute an unarmed enemy soldier. He then he lights a cigarette, and gets sentimental... LOL.

[@lamson1990]

4:12 the charm

[@JoseIrizarry-u3j]

One of my All time favorites of war movie's