Future proofing your GPU Upgrade: 12GB vs 16GB?

[@kaystephan2610]

How it should've been: 4060 & 4060Ti with 12GB (on 192 bit Bus!) 4070 & 4070 Ti with 16GB (on a 256 bit Bus!) 4080 & potential 4080Ti with 20GB

[@6ch6ris6]

plapy to work at Nvidia. You migiht even overqualified :D

[@X_irtz]

One could only dream for that to come true...

[@Adri9570]

4050 with 8GB and 4060 with 10GB (looking at you 3080) could be fair IMHO, but I agree with everything else.

[@BigHeadClan]

I think 16gb would have been fine for a 4080 but otherwise I agree.

[@syncmonism]

That would have been awesome. But, you know... what if I told you that you could buy an Nvidia graphics card which performs around the level of a 4070 ti, but has 24GB of Vram, for around the same price as a 4070 ti? That's right, on the used market. Some of those cards are EVGA and (most) EVGA 3090's will still be covered by the warranty because the warranty is transferable to the new ownder. Sure, you'll want to make sure that you have some kind of buyer-protection coverage, and you'll also want to run thorough tests on it after you get it to make sure it's in good working order, and it will draw significantly more power, but if you don't mind dealing with that, the 3090 is a MUCH better product than the 4070 ti. A 4070 ti tends to be slightly faster, but the 3090 can be faster at 4k sometimes, and obviously having double the Vram is going to make a huge difference in some games at resolutions over 1440p, and sometimes even AT 1440p. In a recent video by Daniel Owen comparing the 16GB 4060 ti with the 4070 and the 8GB 4060 ti, Ratchet and Clank seems to benefit from more than 12GB of Vram even at 1440p, because a 16GB 4060 ti can get within 1 FPS of the 4070 (43 to 44) at 1440p Very High settings with RT on. A 4060 ti should not be able to get anywhere near that close to a 4070 with a high end CPU, unless it's a Vram issue or game engine issue, and this wasn't a game engine limitation. You'd likely be able to get close to 60 FPS if the 4070 had 16GB. I'd like to see that test done again with the 3080 ti (which has 12GB) vs. the 3090 (which is almost the same GPU but double the Vram).

[@AndreFreitas91250]

In my perspective, if you are the type of person of upgrading your GPU frequently the VRAM issue doesn't matter that much, but for people who only upgrade after your gpu is barely usable the VRAM matters.

[@Leptospirosi]

I went from a GTX GTX 460 (1GB) to a GTX 670 (2GB) and then from an RTX 2060 (6GB) to a RX 7900XT (20GB). As you can see I mostly switch due to memory related issues, and the problem is surfacing more often then it used to. Considering how much more expensive graphic cards are becoming with time I think a "think forward" approach is wiser then just throwing money at whatever comes to the market. The 400$ RTX 4060 is dead on arrival for the insane prices it was launched at. If you think about it, between the 410€ they ask for a 4060 and the 690€ I paid for a high end 7900, the difference is less then 300$. Is it worth it with the costs involved in building a new PC, to cheap out so much? Would you rather spend another 500$ in the next graphic card in, probably, less then 2 years (inflation, greed et all considered)? From someone who NEVER accepted to spend more then 330$ on a video card before!

[@MechAdv]

I upgrade my desktop GPU whenever I can get 50% more performance for around 700$. I upgrade my laptop every 5 years. My current laptop is from 2018, and it looks like I’m going to have to buy a 4080 for the 12gb unless AMD releases something compelling soon.

[@nithia]

@@MechAdv Well for less then the price of a 4080 you can get an RX 7900xtx. Both perform amazingly but the 7900 has twice the vram of the 4080. If you are looking for something more compelling then either of those cards from AMD then it is not going to be soon. You will be waiting at least until RX 8000 series and the leaks imply there will be no ultra high tier cards in the 8000 series from them. So it may not be until a potential 9000 series that something can beat the 7900 or the 4080. If you can actually find a 4080 for only $700 I say go for it as I cant find any for less then about $1k right now. I was using a 1070Ti up until like a month ago and only reason I upgraded was because I wanted more then minimum requirement when Starfield comes out, but other then that it has been able to keep me around 60 fps in most games and keep my settings at high or ultra with only a few titles dipping below 60, and the only titles I care about a slight dip below 60 is in competitive games which most people that want to be competitive will run their settings at a med or low anyway.

[@JamesFox1]

Excuse Me ? Games Are LITERALLY DEMANDING MORE Vram NOW !!! but I Bet you have a HIGH END GPU Already = RIGHT ? so its no skin off your crashing or blue screening AND I Bet you want to Blame That On Something Else = RIGHT ? so arrogant of a statement to Even Thinking about posting

[@JamesFox1]

@@MechAdv The 6950xt @ $650 is Very Reasonable and IS still VERY Relevant ,

[@subcon959]

Ultra settings are only there to drive GPU sales. It's not that hard to optimise for both FPS and visual quality. It's also kinda fun and the benefit of PC gaming over consoles.

[@glenmcl]

I can run Ultra easily (i9, 4090, 64gb ram) That said, HIGH settings are still best for everyone. Use High.

[@Supinori]

So true

[@braydondarragh1094]

@@glenmclpsst i9 doesn’t matter it’s after those little numbers behind it kinda like if I said yeah I’ve got a 40 series graphics card we’ll just cause it’s new doesn’t mean it’s better it could be a 4060 who knows

[@superjofi1]

@@braydondarragh1094I9 isn’t the generation though. It’s like saying i have a xx90 gpu. What you are saying is like a 12th gen intel processor.

[@umbasa01]

I agree but sometimes people just wanna boot up a new game and it just work

[@parthibanspace]

4060,4060 Ti - 12GB 4070,4070 Ti - 16GB 4080 - 20GB 4090 - 24GB This is how they should've launched the 40 series cards.

[@SagazHero]

And how about: 4060,4060 Ti - 8GB - 10GB 4070,4070 Ti - 12GB - 16GB 4080 - 20GB 4090 - 24GB It would make people understand price gaps better

[@newsmansuper2925]

3090ti 24 GB

[@blast5558]

If they made a 4070 with 16gb the price would jump from 600 to 850

[@ProfShibe]

@@blast5558not out of necessity though, but out of greed. The 4070 was supposed to be $100 more expensive initially and labeled as a 12gb 4080. That’s his point

[@blast5558]

@@ProfShibe you know what I was actually gonna buy a 4070 despite everything but after hearing that, I don’t think I will anymore

[@edwarda.tokash8166]

Up until a few years ago there was no constant discussion about the concept of "future proofing" regarding components. You just bought a new part when the time came because the prices weren't unreasonable. Now things have become so expensive that you really have to think it through just to future proof it long enough that it's not an outright ripoff.

[@guilhermedecarvalhofernand1629]

Welcome to the economy equivalente people from third world countries had to deal for years in terms of overpriced Pc componentes.

[@bami2]

Also Moores law slowing down a lot. Hardware simply hasn't been improving as quick in the past 10 years than they did compared to the 10 years before that. When I used to buy new components (from early 90s to about 2012) I basically tried to get double the performance for the part I'm replacing or 3-4x the performance when building a completely new PC while paying roughly the same for each iteration (taking into account inflation of course, so it's always the same "tier" of components). This used to mean I would go around 12-18 months between upgrades and 3-4 years between building an entirely new system. Anything less was just a hassle since you would get marginal benefits and more is wasteful since price would come down on newer components and would not be worth the early adopter rate. Now however for a graphics card that is about 2-3x as fast as my 1070 I have to look at a 4070, a graphics card about twice the price and 7 years newer. It's just has gotten completely insane and the timescale I use for upgrades is now more like 72-96 months. So yeah you better believe I'm looking more at the value since it's just going to have to last so much longer, since the components don't improve as much anymore there is less drive to upgrade. I would really want to get a new graphics card since the 1070 is having some major struggles with 4K but I still can't justify dropping down about as much on just a graphics card upgrade as I would drop on about 4/5ths of a complete new pc 10 years ago, even though with inflation it should cost maybe 1.3x as much.

[@FuelX]

@@guilhermedecarvalhofernand1629 I'd say that buying a 1000$ video card to play games is much more of a first world problem than a third world one.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

If you care about your money, you should always be thinking about buying the best anything for the price, and we should have had these conversations, the entire time, but everyone was so content with the take my money attitude until it got way out of control. People have this attitude with many video games now as they think 70 dollars for an unfinished product isn't too much to ask, these are headed in the same direction, as is anything else people mindlessly throw their money at.

[@edwarda.tokash8166]

@@anthonyrizzo9043 I agree. I remember when games used to come out on media (floppies, CDs, DVDs - for those that don't know) the games were thoroughly tested. Rarely would a game have more than 2 patches/updates. It's unacceptable that things are running rampant because companies got greedy and the public allowed it.

[@strick9noob]

I have a feeling the next gen consoles will have a bigger impact on what vram will be needed for gpus for cards as they age.

[@fafski1199]

Thumbs up, because you're 100% correct!! The consoles have always been the yardsticks when it comes to the minimum required specs on PC and always will be. Like it or not, but all Third Party games are now developed with the consoles being their main priority. When it comes to VRAM on the main consoles, both of them pretty much allocate around 10-12GB of their 16GB shared VRAM to the GPU and the rest goes to the CPU. As for the Series S that has 10GB of VRAM and allocates around 7-8GB of that to the GPU. Therefore all third party games for the next 5+ years will be designed and squarely targeted by games dev's, to those specific console specifications. Which will mean them targeting around 8GB to 12GB of VRAM for the GPU, max. Therefore pretty much any GPU on PC, with a similar level of performance to the consoles or better, which also has 8 to 12GB of VRAM, should also be fine going forward (if optimised correctly). Yep, higher-end GPU's on PC will be capable of pushing that threshold even further, however the consoles will still be the criterion when it comes to game development and a game's targeted hardware requirements. Because of this, 8GB GPU's will only be dead on PC, when the Series S is dead and 12GB GPU's will only be dead on PC, when both the Series X & PS5 are dead. Yep, some GPU's on PC with a simular level or more performance than the consoles, which do have less VRAM may suffer slightly (3070, 3060Ti, 6700, 6650XT, 4060 & 7600 all come to mind). However, there are easy ways around that situation by either lowering down the graphical settings (not as bad as people think) or by using upscaling tech (quality mode should suffice). I honestly believe that some people think that if a GPU hasn't got 16GB of VRAM or more nowadays, that it's somehow DOA or will be obsolete within just a year or two.... That's simply not true, since a game's development is so heavily teathered to the capabilities and limitations of the hardware inside of the new consoles. Plus, it's going to be like that, for a several more years yet!!

[@DenverStarkey]

I speculate the next gen of consoles will have either 20 or 24 gigs of unified memory. Consoles always seem to make do with as little ram as possible. I was surprised when the current gen doubled ram capacity over the last gen.

[@gauravnegi6857]

Devs will optimize for consoles, and not for pcs, so it won't have any difference ig.

[@MORGUEZHR]

Games ran well on 4Gb cards when they were developed for consoles with 8Gb system ram. The same should turn out being the case with 8Gb cards this time around when consoles pack 16Gb of system ram. Provided, that is, that you're willing to play these current gen games at the level of textures equivalent of what was possible on last gen consoles with 8Gb of system ram.

[@itshugh6750]

​@@fafski1199Not always. Basically current gen is the first time consoles have been 'better' then budget PC's, due to the memory and the handling of it. Most of this is also due to suboptimal optimalisation of pc titles and lazy dumb ports from consoles. If only pc gamers would stop buying dumb unoptimised ports on pc. Oh, and stupid sportsgames which are basically slot machines, lol

[@JosePineda-jn8jk]

When I start running into *actual* issues with my RX 6600 I will then consider upgrading. I honestly am not the type of gamer to keep buying the newest thing, I have so many games in my back catalog that I could sit for months or years with them and still be happy with my current performance.

[@bmqww223]

Hi can you tell me rx 6600 is good enough for future proofing @720 ultra setting for atleast coming 10 years?

[@diysai]

@bitanmandal1309 no sorry, nothing can be truly future proof. What if a new tech comes around and the games become extremely demanding? But whatever is the best for your budget. Preferably something that can play 1080p ultra, with at least 8gb vram. If you intend to play older games your card can last longer.

[@yoshy5651]

​@@bmqww223I have a 6600xt and most games run at like 70-100 fps at 1440p. If you aren't playing cyberpunk then you'll be fine for many years only 10 if you play only old games

[@bmqww223]

no sir i want all new and upcoming games to be played at ultra @1366x768 at 60 fps if preferable what gpu would be best for it , and how much vram would be necessary.......@@yoshy5651

[@crisschan2463]

​@@bmqww223no real future proof as software tend to upgrade, but as long as the "masses" cant be swayed to set the floor into making the most gpu used in steam for like 12gb minimum, the games will always be optimized for 60 tier cards They are just trying to reinvigorate the overall public usage of gpu to higher tier, so when games came out, we "should" be having a 12gb minimum and making the price higher than it has to be Tldr, 6600 is very good card for 1080p, if you plan 720p lol, it should not be a prob

[@x2stefan2701]

Crazy to think that the gtx 1070 has 8gb of VRAM and the rtx 3070 has also 8gb of VRAM

[@ivann4512]

no not really, GPU companies always do whatever they can to make us buy cards more often than it is really necessary. They have been doing it for a decade

[@charlesg5085]

1070 was a great card. I bought it for the 8gb ram. The fact that Nvidia still shorts ram just keeps me from buying their cards anymore.

[@anthero4816]

@@charlesg5085 I think if you bought it for the 8gb of vram, why did rx 470 8GB is missed out xDD

[@charlesg5085]

@anthero4816 I bought 5 rx 580s and 590s for family builds. Those cards were nuts for value. I wasn't really paying attention to amd during the 400 series (i should have been). I stopped building PCs after intel gen 3 right up until zen 2. Intel seemed to stagnate with 4 core consumer grade chips. Zen 2 got me interested in pc building again. After that 1070 upgrade that I needed for work, I have been 100% amd. I have done 10 pc builds since covid started. I just wish more people would give amd a try.

[@Tokena14]

@@charlesg5085 problem with team red is the software. Horrible blue screen rate and DLSS towers over team red anyday.

[@CartGoBroom]

me still using my RX570 4G: hahahahahhahaha

[@christophermullins7163]

I thought that was illegal at this point..

[@thegod7412]

Hhhh

[@tomokun3234]

Im using rx 560 4gb hahahaha

[@zsoltalm8988]

I have the same feelings with ma rx 470 4gb hahahaha

[@xPhantomxify]

Me with my GTX 960 2GB

[@andrewbroadfort6856]

My EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3 is aging gracefully. I'm so glad it shipped with 11 GB of memory.

[@UranusfromBrussels]

I just got a 2080ti for 260€. A new Rtx 4060ti here in Belgium is like 450€. 500€+ for the 16g

[@UranusfromBrussels]

@NoodleAsian Massive upgrade, I thought if that GPU too but I would have had to replace my 650psu

[@upfront2375]

@NoodleAsian U could've bought a well maintained used 3090 for around 600$ (even less in some regions). Congrats anyway tho👍

[@futurepastnow]

I wonder how much longevity the original 3080s will have with 10GB. At least they have plenty of memory bandwidth for it.

[@gauravnegi6857]

how much did u get it for? cause 1200 dollars was insane for it. Considering it succeeded, 1080ti, father of all GPUs.

[@sunkrest2581]

I still have RX580 8gb and I'm very happy I decided to go with this version. Its still perfectly usable in 1080p with mix of medium and low details in demanding games, especially with fsr 2, and that was a midrange card on release... I remember well that 8gb on this card was considered to be an overkill. Well, It wasn't. 1060 3gb and 6gb aged much worse. That's why I'm about to buy 7900 XT or XTX to play Starfield in 4k. I'm pretty confident I will be able to lower resolution and details in 5 years and still enjoy new games. I would not be confident about that with 12gb 4070ti.

[@BigHeadClan]

12gb is probably going to be fine, but yeah the 7900 is the smarter buy in either case.

[@syncmonism]

The 6GB 1060 aged worse, but not MUCH worse. Those cards are all 7 years old right now, and the 6GB 1060 is still not that bad. Even the 3GB 1060 was still fairly cheap, and is still very usable in most games today, just not very demanding ones. It was still a good value card, even if it was worse than the amazing 8GB RX 480 and RX 580. The RTX 4060 ti is going to age much worse than the 3GB GTX 1060 did, especially considering that the 3GB GTX 1060 was cheap enough that its low amount of Vram wasn't a bad deal. It took about 3-4 years before the 3GB version of the 1060 really started to have significant problems in some games, though the Vram did hold it back somewhat in some other games even in the first year or two, but at first it was very rare and relatively easy to fix with changes to settings.

[@jamesgodfrey1322]

Yes I also still have am gaming on RX580 8gb Band I am sad to see it go I just upgrade why I am upgrading the Vram

[@cjlake5754]

That's exactly the generational skip I'm in the middle of pulling the trigger on myself! My trusty old Sapphire Nitro+ 8GB has done me proud. And likewise, I was told it was overkill at the time on VRAM. Which is why I'm going for the 24GB Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX.

[@jamesgodfrey1322]

@@cjlake5754 Good card I end up getting it younger sibling the Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Pulse. I not upgrade my mother board etc I drop a 5800X3D + 32gb memory into it and then put extra cash I save into GPU like your self I was running a Sapphire Nitro and chance had it that Sapphire that best value in UK when I pull the trigger given the costs let hope they age as well as old RX580 have

[@everhigh777]

Just sold my 3070 for 7900xt and wow. No more random stutters @1440p. VRAM was being maxed out way to easily. I didn't think I would love the Adrenaline software as much. It creams Nvidia and you don't have to log in like Geforce Experience.

[@normsutton]

I'm going from a 1060 6gb up to the 7900 XT with 20gb

[@cz5836]

I went from adrenaline to GeForce and was so disappointed. But my next card gonna be Intel arc or battlemage. I just want to see their software/interface.

[@jerryZ07]

@@normsutton you won't regret it :)

[@RanFranklin]

Haha how much does AMD pay you to post these comments ?

[@KG-kp3le]

@@RanFranklin nvidea causes people to make these comments with their cards that are designed to be obsolete in 2 years. I had the same experience with my 3070 and had to sell it.

[@ChristopherPunton]

Got myself the 7900 XTX, got 24gb of Vram should be good for a while lol

[@michaelhart2575]

Nice but not everybody is that fortunate. NVIDIA be deliberately making their cards have low amounts of VRAM, mostly 8 gigs because they want you to fork out more money. It's a marketing scandal

[@DavidWalker-ko6po]

Extra VRAM on Nvidia cards would also be incredibly nice for AI and machine learning tasks - but I suppose that's why Quadros exist, and why they can charge so much for them!

[@BogdanM116]

It really depends on the performance of the card. VRAM should be sufficient for the GPU's performance. An RX 6700XT/6750XT is okay with 12gb while a 4070Ti is not. 8gb of VRAM do still have a use case, just not on a 4060Ti.

[@user-eq2fp6jw4g]

Yep. Basically gimping cards with enough VRAM (4070ti example) Is the case where industry suffers more than having it too much. It's always better to get model with more VRAM

[@azteca_619]

A 4060ti 8gb vram for 250 us dollar would be ok

[@xPhantomxify]

12GB VRAM is no issue for me. New games are releasing unoptimized, buggy and magically allocate 16GB when they only use 10GB at most. There's an entire mountain of games backlog from

[@blondegirl7240]

It was mentioned couple times, higher textures does not impact fps much

[@user-eq2fp6jw4g]

@@xPhantomxify The cap has been kept artificially at 8GB for too long. PC needs (specially with 1440p) 16 BG vram on GPU to counter that variable scaling PS5/Xbox are doing with their hardware if you want to keep those modern game textures at ultra. To optimize UE5 era games to meet 8GB or less is totally not worth it for anyone. Yet again the issue here is that GPU manufacturers have been greedy fucks since they allready have got their payday FUCKING TWICE with Cryptobuble and now with AI bubble. Apparently duopoly cant get enough. This market truly needs 3dfx like 3rd competitor that whips the floor and put those greedy fucks back to their place.

[@paulo..ferreira]

The best worse deal of my life was a GTX680 2GB back in 2012. Its being awhile since but I am confident situation today is the very same. Buying a 8GB today is everything vendors want you to do, so in 2 years time you have to buy another one with more vram.

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

I got gtx 770-4gb back in 2011-2012 xD

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

The worst offender is the 4070ti, $800 for 12GB of VRAM is criminal

[@nDman]

It is funny, when I bought my 3060 12gb 2 years ago everyone was telling me it is wast of money there is no game to use VRAM higher than 8gb blah blah blah... but I bought it because I needed that 12gb VRAM for my creative works. Now everyone wants 16gb of VRAM, 12 is not enough for them. 😄

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

I also bought the 12gb one for my son, because I thought this will eventually become a problem.

[@AntiGrieferGames]

People making drama. I'm not one of them Glad for 3070.

[@TheEmolano]

Last year I was watching benchmarks and that was the consensus lol. "Pay for rasterization power, more than 8gb vram is useless for anything smaller than 4k".

[@ThePipojp]

​@@TheEmolanoThe 3060 truly runs anything demanding more than 8gb like shit though

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

My friend have rtx 3060 and he have higher fps in some games vs my rtx 3070, it was seriously issue to have 8gb vram in 1440p and 4k no chance to run it there, that's why I had to upgrade for few month ago to rx 6950xt. My old gtx 770-4gb could run csgo back in the day at 4k easily but rtx 3070 struggled cs2 in 1440p what a joke.

[@Rintero_Pryde]

The R9 290X was I believe is the earliest consumer card to feature 8GB of VRAM, and I believe that variant launched in NOV of 2014-nearly 9 years ago. The Radeon lineup has had an 8GB card in the product stack ever since (R9 390 series, Polaris RX 580, Vega, RX 5000, and of course RX 6000 onward to today). Time is definitely up for 8GB VRAM capacity.

[@DigitalMoonlight]

To add to this, starting with the 7000 series, AMD has maintained a lead in VRAM for reference designs (3GB for the 7970 vs 2GB for the 680). It's unfortunate that board partners are no longer allowed to double up he RAM on cards the 200 series for AMD and the 700 series for NVIDIA were the last cards that had board partner RAM doublings. The R9 290 reference was only 4GB but board partners frequently sold it with 8GB and the GTX 780 had a few models with 6GB while the reference was 3GB. I think an AIB 4070 with 24GB of VRAM could make a lot of sense if it were allowed and priced right.

[@syncmonism]

That 8GB version was very rare, and pretty expensive, but, yes, I was aware that it existed. I think there might have also been 8GB versions of the 290 (non X). I don't think those versions were available until a while after launch. I think it's already been nine years since the 8GB RX 390 and 390X came out. The 290X came out 6 months or a year before then, I think, though the 8GB variant was maybe not available until a few months after launch.

[@syncmonism]

@@DigitalMoonlight A used RTX 3090 could make a lot of sense too ;)

[@DigitalMoonlight]

@@syncmonism There were 8GB non X 290s but they commanded high prices for the same reason as the 8GB 290X, a cryptoboom (Litecoin). The 8GB cards were a couple months after launch because all launch cards were forced to be reference by AMD. Arctic capitalized on this by releasing an after market air cooler for the 290/X since the blower design of the reference model was terrible even in a high airflow case.

[@ivann4512]

no not really

[@WidePhotographs]

I love the design on the 4070. I know ASUS, Gigabyte and other manufacturers provide better cooling but love the design on the FE model.

[@eatsmemunch]

So refreshing to see a channel that uses new components, new tests, every time, every project with new data. Good job, Steve and Tim 👍

[@banzaiman1]

Shots fired 😂

[@Megaman-Zero-626]

No silencer full auto on those shots lol

[@bartix698]

This week I was forced to use 1060 3 gb. Most games still work fine in 1080p, but some are either stuttering or you get blurry mess. Upscaling tech helps alot

[@jakejoyride]

Thanks to AMD

[@HB20022]

I am still using it and surprisingly forza horizon 5 runs on high details with 60 fps

[@silverwatchdog]

That card was a complete scam of a gpu. It was genuinely worse than the 1050ti which had 4gb of vram just because of it and performance wise it was closer to a 1050ti than the 1060.

[@bartix698]

Just saying it was fine for the time when 3 gb was still popular (lots of 2 gb cards still in many computers). Same way as today I'm fine with only 12 GB for 4k (my next gpu will have at least 16, but now all is well with 12)

[@Ignisan_66]

Im glad I went with RX 7800 XT instead of 4070. Not only it is more powerful than 4070 but also cheaper and has 16 GB 256 bit bus. I upgraded from a pre-built GTX 1060 6 GB.

[@hungry07580]

Agree they ripping people off at rtx cards😂

[@smokegames1179]

Went with 4070 super i can always swap it out for a 7900gre

[@dreadlord9257]

I think 12gb should last a bit. The PS5 and XboX Series S each have 16GB shared vram/ram. So games that are ported over or designed as cross-platform (a lot of AAA), I can't imagine they would be designed to exceed the console vram (i.e. they can't use the full 16gb). So yeah, 12gb will be around for a bit. 980 - 4gb, 980ti - 6gb 1080 - 8gb, 1080ti - 11gb 2080 - 8gb, 2080ti - 11gb 3080 - 10gb, 3090 - 24gb (but 3090 was considered titan equiv/replacement) 4000 series - 8-16.,,, 4080 - 12gb So given the precedent we would sit at 12gb in the 80 series for at least 1 more generation. Given the amount of attention it is getting however, I wouldn't be surprised if they bring 12gb further down the stack and use 16+gb from the 5070+. That is still 2024 release dates. So my guess (only a guess) is 12gb will be viable until 2026 or so when we are likely looking at new console gen and 6000 series gpu gen.

[@JathraDH]

This is the correct answer. Clearly you have been around awhile. Us old vets understand the requirements jump every time a console gen comes out and stagnate until the next gen comes out. I think most of the crying has been from people who got into the PC scene in the 2020 pandemic and didn't understand the concept of "a new console gen is coming soon, I should probably not buy a 8GB card". Now those same people are freaking out that even 16GB wont last more than 2 years (as that is their entire real world experience) lol.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

It's a good answer if your running the game at around console settings, but if you want to go higher as some of these console games are skimping on resolution and such, more than 12 would be needed in my opinion, especially if you mod.

[@padnomnidprenon9672]

​@@JathraDHtheses are clearly newbies ahah. The gpu sugarcoated marketing appeared precisely at this time with the RayTracing push. That's some big cow milking. I bought a 6600 when price became reasonnable (200€ vat inc) and I'll switch to a greater model in two years when the current console gen gets properly installed (and with games).

[@johnc8327]

8GB will last for a while, just not at max settings. People are freaking out way too hard on the VRAM thing. 8GB will be fine with medium to high settings. 12GB will be fine for high-ultra settings. 16GB will be fine for ultra settings + raytracing.

[@mojojojo6292]

@@anthonyrizzo9043 Not really, most of the console games are running around 1440p which should be the max target for a 12gb card anyway. Those on 4k will probably be using dlss/fsr anyway which is still rendering at 1440p on max quality. Most of the other settings have little impact on memory. PC ports very rarely get higher quality textures than their console equivalents. There are 0 issues with next gen games on 12gb cards and that should stay that way until we get another gen of consoles that raises the bar higher again. Ray tracing does increase the requirement a bit but it usually forces the use of dlss for the demanding ones which lowers the vram usage again.

[@jorgiewtf]

Sa far my 3080ti with 12 gigs of VRAM has been getting the job done for me. On the other hand, I’m a 2nd year 3D animation student and although I haven’t had any issues with modeling or rendering but I do worry that once my classes get very advanced, 12 gigs won’t be enough. I guess I’ll cross that bridge when I get there and when I do, hopefully the 5090 will be out!

[@suraj.1889]

priced at 5090 usd

[@jorgiewtf]

@@suraj.1889 yeah, sadly.

[@519achilles]

What so far has to do with future proofing?

[@wudzah]

This is very true. I see an increasing number of games using 10+ Gb of VRAM at 1440p / 4k DLSS.

[@siddharth846]

Even at 1080p they take around 8 Plus gb going till 10 gb

[@natecartwright2319]

using the 2080ti still and it has held up decently well for 3440x1440. Looking to upgrade but wouldnt want to consider anything other than the 4090 for a high fps ray tracing experience at that resolution. There needs to be more competition so high end cards can come down. the strix is like 2.3k us

[@Eddydatscrazy]

You guys wanna know the secret to run games with 8 GB V ram cards? Don’t run the game on ultra settings. Not everything has to be maxed out..

[@Spodlude]

Where does this place the standard 4070 for you with 12gb? As I just bought one, love it, but feel it may not be that well futureproofed

[@Jasontvnd9]

They said in the video that they are not too concerned with the standard 4070. It's the 4070ti they have gripes with.

[@Spodlude]

@@Jasontvnd9 didn’t catch that bit thanks.

[@voteDC]

I have a GTX 970 in my media PC which has only 4GB of vRAM (or 3.5 depending on who you ask) and if it was the only card I had, I could still be gaming with modern titles. Hogwarts Legacy is the most demanding I've tried and with settings on Low, and Balanced FSR, the game sticks to a fairly stable 60fps at 1080p when paired with the Ryzen 5 1600AF and 8GB of 3200MHz DDR4. Marvel's Spider-Man also runs well with mostly Low settings and again Balanced FSR. Both games still look good. I think people looking at the RAM issue seem to have forgotten that you can turn the settings down, you don't have to run everything at the maximum.

[@Gazer75]

People expect to play at ultra textures. I've found pretty massive VRAM use difference between high and ultra textures, but visually its pretty hard to notice in a moving image. My 3070Ti will probably work just fine for me for a while. I suspect the overall performance of the card will be what makes me upgrade, not the lack of VRAM.

[@voteDC]

@@Gazer75 I struggle to tell the difference between Ultra and High myself. Even going down to Medium will often take me a few moments to work out what has changed. I'm sure there's people who'd be able to tell the difference between High and Ultra textures instantly but I expect they are in the minority. My current card is a RTX 3060 (12GB) and I suspect it is going to last me at least as long as the GTX 970 did (8 years) as I genuinely don't mind turning down the settings.

[@diysai]

Going from a 3.5gb 970 to 10gb 6700 feels like a huge jump despite the 970 still performing decently at 1080p mid settings. Plus you don't really buy a card only to play next gen games.

[@onyachamp]

Says the person not waiting on Starfield, or any AAA title that months prior to release , gives the consumer a heads up that it will be a resource hog.

[@diysai]

@onyachamp if you buy AAA games at launch, surely you have enough money to upgrade GPUs frequently.

[@var128]

I’m still holding onto my 970 😅. It works fine with BG3 (except for spilt screen), and I am waiting to see what new AMD and Intel cards have to offer. Did I do enough future proofing 8 years ago? 🙃

[@diysai]

@var128 I had mine for almost 9 years too. Only Cyberpunk ever gave me reason to upgrade.

[@QuicSi1ver]

been using a 3080 10G since 2020/21, i havent had any VRAM issues in any game at 1440p.. the max i had was around 8GB usage in COD MWII, i always prefer higher frame rates over visual quality so that will lower VRAM usage in most games. so i feel, it depends heavily on the type of gamer

[@adriancioroianu1704]

You can also optimize any game to look very good while not using insane amounts of vram by trying out and tweaking settings. But if you're coming from consoles, tweaking settings is like quantum mechanics to you. Tim used to do those optimization tutorials for games, those were excellent. But now the meta is to pay extra hundreds of $, complain, but never touch a thing settings-wise. If it can't play ultra = trash.

[@BigHeadClan]

The vram issue is only just starting to manifest in games at higher resolution and settings and specifically in cards with less than 10GB of vram. 10-12GB of vram is probably fine for another couple of years in most titles.

[@Altrop]

Well yeah at lower settings you can keep your card for another couple years lol. I own a 6800XT and will never run into VRAM issues either. When you enable max textures, RT and FG (FG alone can use 1GB, RT multiple gigabytes) is where things get messy. But RT tanks performance so much it's only a single player thing for now.

[@QuicSi1ver]

@@Altrop im a simple man, dont need RT, dont need max settings, stable 100+ FPS is all i need.. i dont even have HDR enabled

[@pedroferrr1412]

The principal problem is the memory bus speed, 128bits is not enough, even with 16 Gb.

[@chinesepopsongs00]

Coming from 4gb and the cheapest option in my country was a 3060 12gb i am very happy. I knew what half the increase did when i watched the 1660 models in computers of others. That cheap card was not extremely fast but much more stable frametimes then even faster but older 4 gb cards.

[@KamleshMallick]

I have GTX 980 with 4 GB VRAM too. Considering the 4070 12 GB VRAM. I wish it was 16 GB though.

[@GD_MoonBlister]

Bought my 3070 just after launch (before the huge GPU famin) and I'm still playing my games well at 1440p. I loved this card and no issues at all. I expected to skip a generation before upgrading to another GPU. This current generation has been just a slap in the face from the gpu mfgs (mostly nvidia) but if I needed to buy one I would buy an AMD 7900 xtx for sure. Watch the sales, can find them around $850 usd if your lucky. Great video and content and always!!!

[@Ariane-Bouchard]

I'm jealous. The very first game I played (Control, 4K DLSS Performance - so basically 1080p, but upscaled) had issues with the VRAM already and I had so many regrets.

[@Extreme96PL]

@@Ariane-Bouchard Control have bug with streaming i had blurry textures on 1060 6gb, downloaded fix from pcgamingwiki and it fixed it completly.

[@AntiGrieferGames]

​@@Ariane-Bouchardcontrol is just a gpu usage title tho.

[@AntiGrieferGames]

​@@mrchrisbeaver Does emulation fine for you?

[@Ariane-Bouchard]

@@AntiGrieferGames weird that most of my problems were with textures then. I don't understand.

[@smefour]

Ultra settings really are diminishing returns compared to High settings (which looks almost indiscernible to Ultra but with lot less GPU resources needed), stick to high settings and your GPU will have great performance for many years with almost no difference in visual quality

[@rl53]

I also feel power consumption is the next one to talk about especially in countries where energy is becoming unaffordable & will only become more expensive that tech companies will have to address at some point.

[@wesme9948]

The 40 series uses much less power than the 30 series. I had a 3080 12g that used over 450w, now using a 4080, it uses less than 300w.

[@rl53]

@@wesme9948 That is a massive saving over a 5 yrs period depending on where you are in the world. People should never squander money for the sake of it.

[@syncmonism]

That's definitely getting better.

[@lloydaran]

I'm quite surprised there wasn't a focus on the resolution, when talking about the issue. 12 GBs are for sure going to age badly on 4K, 800 bucks cards like the 4070 Ti, even without RT, but for a 6700 XT, where the target is rastered 1080p high FPS/ultra settings or 1440p60 high settings, that's going to be enough for quite a bit.

[@mojojojo6292]

None of the 12gb cards are really 4k capable without using dlss anyway so you're still rendering at 1440p max.

[@TheEmolano]

There's too many gamers playing in 8gb and 12gb cards for studios to ignore. Either they optimize games to run on those GPUs or they won't sell a lot. So you're fine with 12gb for 1440p and 8gb for 1080p, except for the eventual "tech showcase" game like Cyberpunk and the "badly optimized mess at launch" like Jedi Survivor.

[@abdullahzafar4401]

The "optimization" they're doing is setting the textures to low without telling the gamer. I can set everything to ultra for all I care to make me feel good That's the optimization.

[@nathans3022]

I'm still rolling with a Vega64 XTX. It does OC to 1770-1780Mhz on the core game clocks, and 1025Mhz on the HBM2- 8GB still works fine for me as long as I have HBCC on and set to 14GB. (I have 32GB DDR4-3200 @ C14-14-14-28-T1, Quad Channel so it does fine) Hoping it makes it one more year and then I'll make the upgrade. This card is still working for my needs, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it. lol

[@goofball1_134]

I feel like if your using 1440p and 4k and you dont plan on upgrading for a while, 16gb is a no brainer.

[@apoc341]

I replaced my GTX1060 with a secondhand RTX3070 last year and there are plenty of games I still haven’t played to last me for a number of years. I guess I might upgrade again when the 60/70 series comes out.

[@96kylar]

So, 12gig of vram? Lol.

[@christophermullins7163]

If you're going to spend over $400 in 2023 it should have 16gb on a 256bit bus with the performance to run 4k 60 in most all games. Sure the 4080 is a lot faster than 6800 xt but it's also twice as much.

[@aga1nsty0u]

ppl that buy 400$ card dont have 4k monitors, at best they have 1440p or high hz 1080p screens@@christophermullins7163

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

As a 1080p gamer I went laptop this time around. The 1060 6gb was starting to hobble.

[@snapcount321]

To me the 16 gig RX 6800 and the 24 gig RTX 3090 are going to be the two cards that are going to age most gracefully from last gen because they had parity with or exceeded the available VRAM with the PS5 and Series X. Even today, I think a used $600 3090 if you can find one might be a better purchase than a $800 7900XT or 4070Ti because it gives you the option of playing Resident Evil 4 Remake or Starfield with some future 8k texture mod in the future while also having access to FSR, DLSS and Xess in case you need them.

[@Stuwi]

But you're buying used, most likely from a miner

[@snapcount321]

True, and there's a risk to that, but personally I'm willing to take it, especially if backed up by the eBay return policy or if I can buy locally

[@user-uc5tu2dk8c]

My 3080 ti still works great, hope I don’t need to upgrade anytime soon, cause I bought that thing in the gpu shortage 💀

[@mccock3154]

went for the 7900xt partly for the crazy 20gb of vram, linux support, power envelope, proper hdmi 2.1 support and price.....

[@cosmicchaos7181]

How’s its been treating you? I’m thinking about upgrading to one.

[@HiddenAdept]

Kind of curious to see how my Dell Precision 7740's Quadro RTX 5000, which is basically a 16GB RTX 2080 will hold up over the next few years.

[@drewlogan4341]

I upgraded from a 1070 to a 6750xt a few months ago and at the time I was comfortable with 8gb of vram and probably am going to keep my 6750xt for like 7 to 9 and hopefully 10 years without it breaking and using fsr because I wasnt paying an extra $200-150 for another 4 GB of vram

[@petrinafilip96]

I feel like 10 is really pushing me. I was using r9 380x 4gb for 7 years and last 2-3 years you could really feel it lacking.

[@RanFranklin]

6750xt won’t last another two years because every game to look right and run right will require high ray tracing capabilities. NVIDIA has already partnered with tons of game studios to push their new ray tracing reconstruction dlss 3.5 features in new games and already released games it’s going to annihilate AMD and will make games miserable to play on for the red team lol 😢 updates are going to make AMD cards perform worse hopefully for people who were silly enough to go AMD they can make some driver adjustments quickly before the fall of 2023.

[@jilson743]

@@RanFranklin cool story bro. I'll believe you when the option to adjust graphic settings is no longer in games

[@LLeonardson]

@@RanFranklintldr

[@RanFranklin]

@@jilson743 I mean if you wanna play the game like it’s on console settings cool stuff. Only brokies adjust settings.

[@dnakatomiuk]

I have a RX580 8GB bought it in 2020 for £164 it has been a great card. But I ended up getting a RX6600 8GB I only game at 1080p and the games I'm playing I've managed to go up in settings and gains in FPS. The card barely uses 100w and sits around 72 under load I got the Powercolour fighter version. After shit performance for Dead space remake and The Last of Us Part 1, I'm now playing my back log of games. Until StarField comes out which I got free with the 6600 😊 Update: Since installing the RX6600 I actually managed to play TLOUP1 for an hour with no crashes, for Dead Space I still had to enable fsr2 ultra balanced mode it does look better just didn't have time to play that

[@Aesir247]

Got the 3070Ti last year during the shortage. Had to get something as my laptop died. Man do I wish I didnt pay more than double the msrp you mention.. however, my card has been performing way beyond my expectations! The 4090 had me droolin' but with current performance being completely acceptable for my 1440p setup I'll wait and see how much better the 50- series is compared to the 40 cards. Not to mention, in this country, the price of the 4090 have barely dropped in 6 months..

[@ivispartakusivi1745]

And now 4090 price are going up

[@thepan]

But would a 12GB+ card be viable for a few years if we "only" game at QHD or below?

[@sapphyrus]

One thing that's not mentioned: Odd VRAM levels like 3GB, 6GB, 12GB as a result of 192-bit etc rather than 256-bit is generally somewhat rare so I doubt game developers would prefer to target those when they're adjusting textures.

[@Kules3]

Rtx 3060 is a rare card?

[@1SaG]

I never bought that whole "future proofing"-thing with hardware. Kinda reminds me of the Colecovision I had as a kid. That thing was sold with an expansion slot ("The window into the future", lol), to potentially turn it into a home computer at some point down the line. Think that computer was called the "Adam". I'm not even sure the components you would've needed for that were ever sold in earnest over here in Europe, but suffice it to say when the time came to make the switch to home computers, I simply bought (well, had my parents gift me) a Sinclair ZX Spectrum and then a C-64. My point being: I don't think I ever wished for more VRAM above anything else. Whenever the time came that my card was getting kinda low on VRAM for my games, it was also time to get a faster, more current GPU, anyway. I also don't have a problem turning down certain settings in games to reduce VRAM-requirements - if it's just "eye-candy" we're talking about. Besides: If you time your upgrades right and don't wait super-long, you will have an easy time selling your old GPU and using that money to partially fund your next card. All in all, I think 8GB is too low in 2023 *if you're buying new* and plan on using the card for more than a year or two. 12 GB should be fine for my needs I reckon, even if I would've preferred my 4070 to have 16. But seeing how I would've had to go 4080 at least (ignoring AMD-cards of course) to get more than 12 GB, I really didn't have much of a choice, anyway.

[@519achilles]

If you can’t get the future proofing of something that costs hundreds of dollars, then you are a really stupid person

[@Kizarat]

Hopefully my 6700 XT with its 12GB of VRAM will remain usable at 1080p for a few more years.

[@upfront2375]

At 1080 I'd give it at least 4-5 yrs👍 No worries at all

[@spawn9989]

Until Playstation 6 comes out 12 GB is enough

[@AntiGrieferGames]

​@@spawn9989 Playstation 6 will failed

[@wiseass2149]

You're fine for the next four or five years at that resolution. Now beyond that you'll have to upgrade.

[@frdgmlk]

The smart thing to do is buy a mid/mid-high range card, because they’re the best price to performance and every generation the medium increases, so the best last gen card will get beaten in performance, by a lower tier new gen card. There’s no point paying $1000 for such bad value. The 5070 will probably match the 4080 in performance while being half the price. My guess is that the 5060 will have 16gb vram which is a nice sweetspot as well as solid performance, so it should be fairly future proofed imo. Another thing to consider is how fast that games will need more graphical power. I personally think that it will start slowing down, at least until the 60 series, because the last ‘big’ thing was the introduction of rtx which came out in late 2018, so nvidia will most likely just spend their time making sure that ray tracing is perfected until the next large development in graphics. In short just buy the mid tier cards every 1 or 2 generations and sell your previous card, as it’s better value while still keeping up with the trend(s).

[@eonic6141]

Opted for the 6950XT over the 4070 with VRAM being one of the main reasons why I chose AMD

[@scott4207]

I did the exact same thing, got myself an XFX 6950XT for £585 brand new. Fantastic purchase

[@micpan_yt]

AMD all the way bro!

[@scott4207]

@@micpan_yt hell yeah!

[@visevise9520]

Forgot about power consumption tho

[@ciberkid22]

​@@visevise9520There's always undervolting

[@diegoresendezsanchez6979]

I that regard, what would you say is more convenient; 16gb VRAM / 128bit [RTX 4060 Ti] or 12Gb VRAM / 198bit [RTX 4070 Ti]? I think the reduced bus on the 4060 ti would be more detrimental than having 12Gb on the 4070 Ti, obviously there's a price difference. Or what other card would you recommend on that midrange price point? BTW awesome content thanks for the useful info :)

[@bumpahhi]

It's simple guys, - do you play in 4k? yes -> get 16gb or more vram no -> you'll be fine don't worry it

[@soumyosubhromukhopadhyay9727]

Amen

[@einstien2409]

The 6800xt is the perfect sweetspot

[@eurohazardpl1149]

Got the 4070 ti to replace my 1080 ti, saw forums about 12gb isn't enough and returned it without even plugging it in. The 1080 ti is still a beast and can wait it out till the 5000 series for sure.

[@RuffRhyno]

I was looking to upgrade from the 1080 ti, but with current gpu prices the way that these vram configurations, I don't see any benefit aside from a few more visual goodies turned up and some more frames for hundreds $$ more. I can wait it out for sure

[@ThePipojp]

12gb is enough my dude, they did you dirty

[@eurohazardpl1149]

@@ThePipojp upgrading from a 6 year old 11gb video card to get only 1 gig more ain't right lol texture packages go over 12 GB already.

[@British_Bruv]

Right now I'm using a NVidia 960 and I am upgrading, but I can't choose in-between the "MSI Geforce RTX 4060 Ti Gaming X Slim 16GB" or the " Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Windforce OC 12GB". Can someone help me out on which one they think will be better going into the future.

[@jimmicrackhead12]

32MB used to be balling...

[@lord_haven1114]

I still love NES and genesis games. Tons of older games are way better than the newest crud they release these days.

[@Ssengel69]

I said fuck it and got a 4090 lol

[@AntiGrieferGames]

W

[@DavidWilliams-ic1nn]

what Rez are we filtering this convo by? 1080p? 1440p?? 4K? .....sounds like 1080p near the end of the convo?

[@brucefly3612]

Me with my old 2080ti 11 Gbs graphic card laughing at 3070 8 Gbs owners that have worse performance and less VRAM.

[@matthewcherrington2634]

Aot stares at you with rtx 3090

[@richardsalazar4817]

Who will be first for a terabyte of vram?

[@ChancySanah]

it'll be a bit longer before 1080p will need much more than 12gb just to get to 60fps

[@syncmonism]

12GB is great for 1080p. However, there are still some rare things which could cause 12GB to be an issue even at 1080p, but I'm only thinking about mods, which are often very poorly optimized, and only SOME mods will use a lot of Vram. Also, memory leaks. Having lots of extra Vram means that you are a lot less likely to even notice a memory leak. It could be the difference between 2 hours and 48 hours before the memory leak fills up your Vram and starts causing problems. Memory leaks are relatively rare and usually get fixed, so it's not likely to be a major issue.

[@fhs7838]

Im wondering what if my GTX1080 died soon. What should I buy? RTX4060TI 16GB or RTX4070 12GB? Im hoping for NV to refresh 40series next year with a 16GB version of RTX4070.

[@AntiGrieferGames]

4070 is better but wait for 5000 series

[@blacksheepshepherd]

RX 7900 XT will be a good future proof GPU.

[@errgoseven4680]

Absolutely. Best all around GPU this generation hands down.

[@Mr.Stalin116]

Overpriced. Plus bad rt performance

[@CrazyMeCrazyYou]

​@@Mr.Stalin116 RT is better by ~15% today on 4070ti, but RT uses VRAM so the RT performance of the 7900xt will age better. Games like Hogwarts legacy with RT already runs better on RX 6000 cards vs RTX 30 series.

[@HxR-eSports]

@@Mr.Stalin116 Overpriced? Compared with what?

[@Mr.Stalin116]

@@CrazyMeCrazyYou it depends on a title. if it’s an amd supported title then yes. Newer games like r4 remake last of us and others ps ports have rt implemented lightly which makes both of them close. Games like cyberpunk have heavy rt and 4070ti beats it by 35%. Also if u play at 1440p dlss 2 is superior to fsr. Also frame gen is option if u really want more fps. One and only negative side is 12gb of ram. But if u play on 1440p it will last longer.

[@keponen331]

Im looking at a 3060 12gb or 3070 8gb used both for $200. What should I pick?

[@a5cent]

On a large monitor, low-resolution textures are much more noticeable, so shouldn't this discussion also take into account the size of the monitor you're playing on? I get that many will just "mush" this together with monitor resolution. A larger monitor is likely to have a higher resolution. Higher resolution monitors need a more powerful GPU to drive all those pixels, and with a more powerful GPU comes more VRAM. I guess we can try and sweep such considerations under the rug. It still seems wrong though. For a large monitor with average DPI, more VRAM may be rather important, whereas the experience when playing on a small monitor with very high DPI may not benefit from the additional VRAM that much.

[@chincemagnet]

VRAM amount has been a problem starting, imo around the GTX 400/HD 5000 series. When 1 GB wasn’t enough but most cards came with 1 GB or less. The 700 series had a 6 GB Titan, which was perfect, but the GTX 980 was only 4 GB, and it suffered, despite what tech KZbinrs say, I had personally had VRAM issues multiple times going from a 6 GB Titan to a 4 GB 980, all in SLI. 1080 Ti was fine, 2080 Ti was fine, 3090 good, 4090 good. So it’s mostly the mid range cards now, you just have to be aware of it.

[@loneventhorizon]

Just upgraded from 8600k // 1080ti // 2666MHz 16GB DDR4 to an R9 7900 // 7900 XTX // 32GB 6000MHz DDR5. Cost me the same price as a 4090 for the whole rig. More than doubled my Firestrike scores. I was playing the new Dead Space @ 4K max settings ray tracing on quality and getting 180 fps

[@Gazer75]

R9 7900 ?? Is this a PC used for productivity as well? If not that's wasted money when a 7800X3D would be much better for gaming.

[@loneventhorizon]

@@Gazer75 Did you just assume my usage??

[@micahsarm]

nice. i upgraded from gt 730 + a10 9700 to rx 6800 + ryzen 5600. amd is just killing at this point.

[@loneventhorizon]

@more_less yeah man. The only issues I've found are: 1) When streaming sites like netflix are open. Adrenalin won't record. They have some tyoe of anti pirate software going on. And then there is a black screen glitch that occurs for about .1 of a second after closing said streaming apps. 2) the HTC vive link box won't recognise itself through the 7900 XTX. So it seems like VR wo t work with the 7900 XTX. But, you can just bypass it and connect the HDMI passed the link box straight to the GPU, then it works

[@loneventhorizon]

@@micahsarm "i upgraded from gt 730 + a10 9700 to rx 6800 + ryzen 5600" Sweet upgrade too

[@JakeTaco83]

I have a 6700xt 12gb and have a plan to upgrade when I need to and pass down to my son who plays at 1080p. I had a a770 16gb and was going to going to use that for the long haul but idle power draw issue kept me from keeping it. Plus they were selling used more than I bought it for.

[@midgetechknowledge]

What was the arc issue? Should I go for it?

[@JakeTaco83]

@@midgetechknowledge I was going from 2 PCs down to one and there is a high power draw while idling from the a770. Not sure if it was the LE only or not. The PC I was keeping stays on 24/7 (plex server). They were selling used for more than I bought them for, so I decided to sell. I didn't have any real performance issues on the games I played. Played at 4k in a lot of games. Hard to justify over the 6700xt for same price though.

[@midgetechknowledge]

@@JakeTaco83 so you are saying that its good to go?? Though in here Gunnir card is available instead of limited addition. Btw, i have 9th gen cpu with aorus z390 motherboard. What r u suggesting then?

[@JakeTaco83]

@@midgetechknowledge if that mobo/cpu combo supports rebar, and the price is good, sure.

[@coachmcguirk8277]

Been gaming with a 3060 ti at 1080p for months now with no issues. I don't think it's 8gb will be a hinderance even in 2025 so I can't imagine 12gb is something you should be worried about. But I suppose it all comes down to the game/resolution/use case.

[@soumyosubhromukhopadhyay9727]

Perfect for 1080p. 12gb vram is almost overkill I'd say, for a few years, but by that time ur card will need to tune down settings to keep up with gfx. Stuff like 4070 level power with 12gb is more than enough for 1080p gamers

[@daemondamian]

I currently have a EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC Gaming ACX 3.0 8GB running in my setup with a 34 inch UWHDQ 3440x1440 monitor. Currently playing Elder Scrolls Online with mostly high settings but want to play Skyrim, Witcher 3 at all high settings. Happy to not be able to run latest or near future titles at ultra settings. Should I upgrade to a MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Gaming X 16GB or a MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ventus 2X OC 12GB? I'm not sure which is better - the 4060 Ti because it has 16gb or the 4070 because it's the latter model - even if it only has 12gb?

[@marchev1982]

Definitely 4070 outperformed 4060ti and if you go for a budget one take Asus dial OC it's very good card, yes has 12 GB vrm than 16 but it's better in any other aspect than 4060ti. Right now 4070 Asus dual oc is 529 pounds. In UK , or you can go AMD if you like and don't care much for Ray tracing or dlss

[@daemondamian]

Thanks for the recommendation. I'm in Australia & cards here are so expensive the ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Dual OC 12GB is $1099 AUD! I'm considering a PowerColor Radeon RX 7800 XT Hellhound OC 16GB because it's supposed to be similar in performance, has 16gb & is only $879 AUD in comparison@@marchev1982

[@puregarbage2329]

With RTX io being introduced, games will be released with smaller more compressed downloads. Do you think direct storage will affect VRAM usage? Or maybe lessen cpu/ram speed limitations due to gpus now having direct access to texture decompression?

[@haj_endot]

my r9 390 proved to be viable for *far* longer than it had any right to, in no small part because AMD decided to slap 8 GB VRAM on a mid-2015 GPU. always happy to be able to stave off upgrading.

[@Altrop]

Ratched & Clank with max RT and Frame Generation at 1440P already causes issues on the 4070Ti in some sections of the game where the VRAM shits the bed. And that's 1440P! I would never recommend anything less than 16GB to anyone unless it's a budget build.. which the 4070 cards are not. Frame Generation uses 1GB in that game, that's a LOT if you only have 12.

[@1989rs500]

I ve played that with 4070 Ti and I never felt any issues, I m not even using FG. I use DLSS Quality and RT and 1440p ultra and its working at say 85-95 fps average and in no place has itt lagged or overflown. I use 12700k+ 4070Ti with 16 GB 3200 Mhz RAM.

[@rhysdavis5761]

​@@1989rs500do you get weird artifacts in the space port/arena level on the metal mesh grating floor thing? I found I get little white squares appear, and it happened in my desktop, my laptop and my mates laptop, all Nvidia cards if I have dlss on. If it's off it's fine but on and it happens. I'm guessing it's not just my computer if I could replicate it amongst multiple machines. Is your doing it too

[@1989rs500]

@@rhysdavis5761 I don't observe anything like U ve said.. I ve tried gaming with DLSS on MSI M28U. A brilliant monitor 2 say the least

[@rhysdavis5761]

@@1989rs500 it can't be the monitor tho, it happens on 3 separate devices 2 of them laptops with Thier own monitor. Have you played it recently? Thinking a driver update messed things up? Doesn't make sense for 3 separate devices all running different cards to all have the same issue unless it's a Nvidia driver issue surely?

[@1989rs500]

@@rhysdavis5761 I ve no issues with my M28U 180 Hz monitor while playn games with DLSS Q. I ve observed artifacting with Dead Space remake, like banding effect, but on all or majority of other games it at times looks even better than Native TAA. So I ve no idea what square thing U r seeing

[@eaman11]

You need vRAM for the tricks like Frame Generation and upscaling, and RT. See the 4060: it can't manage DSSL3 frame generation in Forza Horizon because it has only 8gb.

[@Leptospirosi]

Actually ina Star Citizen developers video, speaking about introduction of Gen12, Vulkan and RT, it was told "When this stuff will be in the game, your 20GB of VRAM will be fully usable". The size of the rendered universe can escalate quickly the amount of memory you need.

[@HelloImCrimson]

Well, star citizen is an unoptimized pos, so no wonder. Just a scam anyway

[@remoras]

I still do everything with a 1070 card. Works perfectly

[@pablopervguy4355]

Im playing BF2042 on ultra textures on 1080p and I'm reaching 7.9something VRam usage. Hovering between 7.5-7.8, then ocassionally reaches 7.9+. 8GB VRam is reaching its limits on 1080p.

[@JathraDH]

There is a simple solution. Don't play on ultra textures because its entirely not needed at 1080p.

[@pablopervguy4355]

@@JathraDH you misunderstand. Its actually fine in-game, there are no slowdowns and Im getting 100+ frames

[@JathraDH]

@@pablopervguy4355 Yes there are no slowdowns cuz you aren't capped. Honestly even if you were capped there wouldn't be slowdowns for awhile. I am just saying its pretty much a non issue, you can simply turn down the textures if it was ever actually using more ram than you had.

[@RanFranklin]

@@JathraDHhuh ultra settings isn’t needed ? Lmao go play console this is the pc master race, ultra everything ftw 🙌

[@JathraDH]

@@RanFranklin I have 2 full custom loop water cooled PCs sitting on my desk. I get it. But no, at scrub ass 1080p ultra textures are NOT needed. You are using textures literally 2x the size of your entire monitor resolution to texture things that take probably less than 1/6th of your monitor's screen space on average. Unless you like putting your face 1 foot from a wall and admiring its beauty its entirely worthless and just eats vram for literally no graphical gain.

[@macus23]

Thanks for this breakdown! Definitely something to consider with the GPU announcements later this week

[@JDrach30]

which announcements?

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

I'm planning to sell my 4070 as soon as the Nex-Gen GPU's starts with 16GB for the lower end. If they still release 8GB GPU's at that point they're a lost cause.

[@errgoseven4680]

My thoughts exactly but I decided on $150 more on 7900xt way better value and I’m good for at least 3 gens. Screw nGreedia.

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

@@errgoseven4680I got my 4070 for 579. My previous GPU was a 2060. However the 7900XT was still too expensive when i bought my 4070. My max budget was 650.

[@jjoohhhnn]

​@@errgoseven4680fax, quite happy with my 6800xt

[@j_shelby_damnwird]

I've been eyeing recently some great deals for 16GB Quadro P5000 cards at ebay. Considering it's a 2016 card, is it a sensible purchase for a 2023 PC workstation build?

[@Gailim]

I am not sure i agree that 16gb will be fine for the next few years. At least not at 4k. The 3090 will have been released 3 years ago next month. It has 24gb of vram, so does the 3090 ti, and the 4090, and the 7900xtx, and then the 7900 xt is just below with 20gb My point is the hardware is out there to go beyond 16gb and has been for years now. Do you really expect no AAA developer to take advantage of that for 4-5 years?

[@syncmonism]

That's definitely true. There could even be some games where 16GB isn't enough at 1440p, though that will be a lot easier to fix by turning down one or two settings at that resolution, and I don't see that happening for another year or two, not unless mods, memory leaks, or very serious optimization issues are involved.

[@andyr2925]

Is it worth buying a 4080/4090 right now or should I wait for the Super releases in a year? I'm ready to upgrade my 1070 with no budget restrictions. Timing is key.

[@iRemainNameless]

I’m in same boat. Considering buying a real powerhouse gpu/ cpu for star citizen. Not crazy about spending 8k though in canada

[@andyr2925]

@@iRemainNamelessI can understand that. My buildout with a I7 13700K comes out to $3000.00. Also a large chunk of cash but after living with the 1070 for 6 years I have learned I should buy the best I can afford and not cheap out.

[@errgoseven4680]

I have made my switch to AMD. While nGreedia was building AI tech for cloud gaming. AMD has built a serious technology stack and on the software side they are open source. Switcheroos. This generation they gave me 20GB with the 7900xt and I’m satisfied (once the price came down). I’m good for several generations and nit looking back while team green fans already talking about selling their the 12GB cards next gen. Pfft.

[@syncmonism]

Yeah, 900 was a terrible price. 700-770 is not so bad. It's expensive at around 770, but it's a great card, and you could still build an entire new system around it for a very reasonable price today. At 700, it makes the 4070 look pretty bad even if you could find one for as low as 550, but a 4070 for 550 could make sense for a lower-end system I suppose. Personally, I wouldn't pay 550, or even 450, for a card which only has 12GB, especially if there's a good chance that you're not going to have any good upgrade options for another 3-5 years or so, which I think is probably true for most people.

[@yanshaoumo6076]

In 2022, I met a game required over 8G on 1080p and 14G on 1440p for max texture. The vram things depend on what kind of games you play.

[@Platinum199]

what game?

[@tomtomminger6227]

They only try to give us a reason to buy the high tier cards by making the mid tier cards worse.

[@unyahtatata2765]

i see, I didn't expect that the VRAM in the GPU would determine its lifespan so much

[@lifemocker85]

everybody with half brain know that

[@oldboy5001]

@@lifemocker85 Not everyone is an expert on GPU's, some of us are newbs.

[@lifemocker85]

@@oldboy5001 thats why do your research and dont believe into corporation marketing propaganda

[@oldboy5001]

@@lifemocker85 Fair point.

[@lefter700]

I just upgraded from i7 7700K to a 13600K and kept my GTX 1080 and I'm really surprised how well my PC runs (almost double the framerate). I'm really glad that I didn't upgrade my the GPU first, because now I feel like I can wait to see how the RTX 50 series unravels, next year. Cheers!

[@fgfg655]

Not sure why you haven't said anything resolution as it plays huge role speaking about VRAM usage, so like RTX 3070 8GB on 1080p has a lot brighter future than the same card on 1440p (and higher). Also while you take visuals into account then also consider the fact that AMD's GPUs while providing more VRAM and similar rasterisation performance compared to NVIDIA's alternatives at a certain price point, Radeons are miles behind with RT and their upscaling method (FSR) compared to GeForces.

[@2catsnow]

looking at the total number of pc games released on Steam, 8gb card can play 99% of the games. of course 12gb card can be used for the next 5 years in my opinion

[@frozello14]

Game developers would be stupid to make games that majority of players wouldn't even be able to play at somewhat reasonable settings.

[@amankumar5062]

I have decided to stick to 1080p 165hz rather than 1440p 144hz or 60hz. Now the question is will the rx6700xt with 12GB Vram for 1080p be good for years to come? I think it should work fine but I am really looking forward to future 12/16gb vram cards.

[@EjayT06]

For 1080p 12GB will be fine

[@gaspargeri81]

16 is the minimum if we are planning for the long term in 4k

[@Kyush4]

i would say 16 for futureproofing on 1440p, really curious as to how the 4080 is going to age at 4k

[@banzaiman1]

There will come a point though when you can't run future games at max settings so even just lowering to high should reduce some of the vram usage. Its like why put 16gb on a 4060 when its not that powerful at straight out rasterisation

[@jamesg8246]

Recently got COD MW (the 2019 release) and at 1440p pretty much maxed out it's using over 11Gb of vram which surprised me.

[@burhanettinhasdemir4964]

Got 4070 Ti SUPER and with it I can easily run 2k with pretty much maxed out and it uses over 13 gigs. Everything else except my monitor supports up to 4k to 8k resolution (I heard 8k really strains the 4070 ti super but who cares.. 4k is more than enough for me.) Monitor supports up to 2k but since where I'm coming from is a 1050 ti (still tanks a lot of games at 1080p btw) it is a huge ass upgrade for me already.

[@Raider0001]

Redfall eats 19GB at 4k

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

No one will play that pile of poo. Not even their own devs (spoken by someone who loved Dishonored and Prey 2016)

[@_TrueDesire_]

Turn off MSAA and Aniso, problems solved.

[@RuruFIN]

The real usage or just allocation?

[@Lethalwick5673]

Trash game

[@tomtomkowski7653]

@@_TrueDesire_ And if you will play at minimum settings at 720p upscaled to 1080p then even 8GB will be enough. Are you serious? Instead of demanding form $500+ GPUs to have more VRAM, you are saying "just lower the settings"? Seriously?

[@KapitanOppa]

just stick to 1080P and you wont have problem for the next few years running in 12gb

[@kotztotz3530]

I bought 3080 12gb for $450, and though I sidegraded from 6900xt, I like being able to use DLSS and DLDSR (when I'm on my 1080p screen). I'm perfectly fine playing games on 4k balanced or performance DLSS so I feel like VRAM isn't as much of a concern.

[@AntiGrieferGames]

enjoy the 3080 :D

[@jayjaybwoyxx]

yeah, didn't really think about the 12gb version when i bought my 3080 10gb in september 2022 for £550 now my 3080 is going to be in a weird place, on the plus side i should be ok i hope, as i only play at 1080p 240hz and mostly play competitive shooters at high refresh rate. That said still tempted to upgrade to a 4070ti-4070ti super. And maybe get the 5800x3d @@AntiGrieferGames

[@sanderbrouwer91]

I bought an AMD card for the first time because of the VRAM and I got to be honest. Positively surprised. Real good performance, easy tweakable. Very much options to personalize settings per game. Go full out max settings on cyberpunk, let it run 90 degrees Celsius and then switch to farcry6 and have it drop to 55 degrees in chill mode. AMD gives much more fps per € spend.