Future Thriving Mango Orchard in SoCal. Watch This Syntropic Style Permaculture Food Forest Tour Now

[@siddhu38]

Oh man!! This is probably the super dense orchard I ever seen in SoCal. I hope you are experimenting. I have no idea how to manage Longan & mango 1 foot apart. May be you have to move them later. Anyway gardening is an art, I would like to see what you learn from this.

[@JohnDaBuilder]

If you look at my previous videos, you can see the spacings of the trees currently on our property. Based on my years of observations, I noticed that my trees that were more densely packed have done much better than those in isolation. This little experiment is very exciting to me. Just know that the primary dominant fruit tree here will eventually be the mangos 5-20 years from now. The rest will be pruned heavily and some will continue to fruit, and some maybe not :). Many of the plants you see were propagated by me so investment on this site was minimal except the mangos. I will continue to post the updates :)

[@siddhu38]

Got it, myself a mango grower in Ojai valley. I able to harvest few Mallika mangoes this year. I get to know seedlings are doing great compared to turpentine grafted plants that these tropical nurseries sell us. I am able to grow local mango varieties successfully, but my Indian mango varieties are struggling a lot. I may have to learn grafting and use the struggling one to graft on the local mango seedlings like you do.

[@JohnDaBuilder]

@siddhu38 I too struggled for years growing mangos due to turpentine rootstock. I've met a few good people who taught me how to do it right in SoCal by growing seedlings first for 3-5 years, then topworking and grafting top teir varieties on it.

[@JohnDaBuilder]

What problems are you having with your indian varieties?

[@siddhu38]

@@JohnDaBuilder Mostly Indian mango grafted trees don’t like our temperatures swings, in winter we start with 35 and go to 75 everyday that makes leaves go brittle and eventually dry. Plant won’t get killed but it takes entire summer to get to same growth. Otherwise Alphonso & Mallika seedlings are doing great without any stress from high 30s.

[@rogueregenerativeagriculture]

Awesome man! I love all the mangos you have, one of my favs as well.. thanks for the tour..

[@JohnDaBuilder]

TY. These mango seedlings are mainly for rootstocks. Going to let them grow and topwork them the next few years and graft top tier varieties that do well here in SD

[@marcuswelby921]

do u have any white sapotes??? If so which variety? If u like mangoes u should definitely plant white sapote. The tree does extremely well in California.

[@JohnDaBuilder]

We have a few trees but I can only eat a few per season until i get sick of it. Grafted a few good varieties.

[@marcuswelby921]

Which varieties do u own???🤔

[@JohnDaBuilder]

@@marcuswelby921 honestly, I forgot. I got 2 seedlings and 2 named varieties grafted. It's a good fruit but my family and I are not huge fans...we used to be when it was scarce. It has no shelf life either. It's good to have if you have the space but I am even thinking of turning it into a chop and drop tree to be honest. The fruits makes a huge mess and invites fruit flies, skunks, rats, etc. I much prefer cherimoya/atemoyas

[@RichsMangoGarden]

Beautiful yard John! I would hold off on grafting on some of the mango seedlings until they develop a thicker trunk. You will find that they will grow much faster the first few years if not grafted or prune. Dragonfruits roots aren't just to cling, their roots are parasitic and will kill most trees they climb.

[@JohnDaBuilder]

Hi Rich. Thanks for the feedback. I wish I can resist the urge to not graft lol. I know I have been impulsive with it. Ill try to avoid grafting onto these young seedlings next year and just continue to topwork my older nam doc mai and winters for grafting.

[@JohnDaBuilder]

Thats's the beauty of a syntropic system/succession planting. We get a harvest while we wait for the primary fruit trees to mature

[@champagnegardening5182]

I have a similar approach to my food forest. I haven't planted my seedlings yet.

[@JohnDaBuilder]

I waited 1.5 years after planting the support plants of tithonia and pigeon peas. I wish I planted more support plants earlier. Makes is easier putting our main fruiting trees in after an established support species of plants.

[@champagnegardening5182]

@ I have a lot of support species. Still building my soil but I bought fruit trees early that were more mature. It's a lot of work

[@JohnDaBuilder]

@champagnegardening5182 It is a lot of work, but I think of it as playtime in the adult life :)

[@staymad7206]

what do you do for pest control

[@staymad7206]

great video. love mango

[@JohnDaBuilder]

I let nature take care of itself. It did suck year #2 or 3. We had lots of aphid pressure and slugs. Then each year had different issues that resolved itself with time. Diversity of plants are key. Now I see a lot of predatory insects that have made it their home. You need to allow pests to live in order for the predators to come in and stay permanently. We now rarely have issues with pests.

[@JohnDaBuilder]

Also, watch videos from tom dykstra: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ-xgKl3aMmcercsi=bgdkSOGCBfWMNSVa

[@staymad7206]

@@JohnDaBuilder i appreciate your replies, all the best !

[@JohnDaBuilder]

@@staymad7206 glad you see value in it :)

[@sebastianmartinezsantos8791]

try to grow endemic trees

[@JohnDaBuilder]

Trying. Difficult to find a CA native nursery. And when I do find it, they put it in potting soils that makes it difficult to survive. They put it in almost pure bark potting mix. So if you water it too often, it dies, you miss a day of watering, it dies. I try to change the soil mix but some are already dying of root rot the next day. I will keep trying though. Managed to get a few successfully in the ground and once I get some to thrive, I will propagate en mass. Do you have any suggestions for San Diego 15 miles off the coast?

[@marisaphoenix1893]

Why do you have English subtitles when you’re speaking English?…

[@JohnDaBuilder]

Variety of reasons. It helps with editing and makes it faster for me to push content. Also, some people are deaf, some people are watching without sounds due to a variety of reasons; some people want to know the plant varieties or the spelling of what I am talking about. I thought about them :) And it is so easy to add them with built in AI in the editing software.