FX DRS Sub 12 ft-lb in 177 at 75 metres, how well does your FX shoot?

[@johnwhittle.22]

I agree 100% with what you’ve said, I’ve always taught the kids shooting using air rifles as a starter because it’s a transferable skill. If you can learn to shoot an air rifle accurately then there’s nothing you can’t shoot, as you have to learn the best trigger control and follow through. And hunting with an air rifle really teaches field work the best way I’ve ever seen!

[@markhomer5704]

My Mrs was rooting for you, she's got one and loves it, only got access to 55mtrs at our range, and the accuracy at that distance is quiet commendable, loved the vid, as did the Mrs.

[@hankvana2149]

Thanks Chris! Glad you enjoy this type of shooting/video as well! I do like watching your videos. I feel that 75 meters is quite a long stretch for a .177 sub-12 but interesting to try just to see what happens. You shooting the DRS and commenting in the velocities gives me an idea about the PCPs consistency. I'm getting a .22/600 FAC and everything will be different. Think that the (Panthera) valve design is more "comfortable" operating at at higher power settings. I'm not into ballistic calculators - it's DOPE all the way! I like experimenting/testing as well. My approach is to start close and move the target back 5 yards at a time watching how the groups disperse. Fun stuff! Cheers!

[@Seasidesurfer]

This is exactly the problem I have with my DRS and after trying different pellets I too thought I'd settle on the JSB Heavies. There's lots of chatter about the AMP reg being poor quality, the seals being week and even the hammer spring. Coming from a HW100 for 4 years this comes nowhere near so far so I will persist as I am starting to find it as entertaining as it is frustrating. Thanks for all your input, I'm a plinker not a hunter and shoot max out to 70 mtrs but zero at 30. Good luck.

[@mace8873]

Have you tried H&N Baracuda Match? I know all airguns have their preferences, but generally, most of my guns really like the H&N BM. Granted, they don't like them in 4.51, or 4.52, but my high end guns all shoot very well with the 4.50 version, or one of the previously mentioned, after they've been resized. They're slightly heavier than the JSB heavy though, so they might not be good for sub 12 ft/lbs guns.

[@fxpeter22]

Great video Chris, shows how it is generally and not just showing the 1 in a hundred group that fits under a 5p piece. Like you I love getting into the ballistics to try and understand what is happening, I have found that sub 12 rifles are very suseptable to the slightest changes. The slightest breath of air affects them the further out you go, left or right even from behind or in front can lift up or push the pellet down. Using pellets straight from the tin also, there will be slight differences in weight and slight deformaties. Some elude to using faster lighter pellets to "beat" the wind but I have not found this to be the case, you just need to shoot a correctly zeroed .22 next to a .177 to check that out and the .22 is less than 600fps. I think your Chrono should be using the GA drag coeficient which is recommended for air rifle pellets, it can make a difference of 2-3 clicks at 70m (14-21mm) Also to help those dialing their Mil type scopes. At 100m 1 click equals 10mm, at 80m its 8mm at 50m its 5mm and so on. Therefore if you are 40mm (4cm) off the mark at 50m range then you need 8 clicks to bring it back (40/5=8) simples 🙂

[@michaelmcbride1307]

Nice video. I find the 10.34s start to struggle beyond 65 yards in sub 12. The Bisley Magnums are much more accurate at that range. Definitely worth trying a tin. 👍

[@pauljoyce8529]

hi i got my drs 2 weeks ago in .22 and i found if you tighten the stock screw up to 6nm of torque it then made the groups shrink by 3/4 mills and i also set the trigger up too a single stage with very light let off. Now taking squirrel eyes out at 30 yards with ease as long as you do your part right. And i've changed the mag for a 3D printed set witch i think has also helped a lot.

[@sid35gb]

I shoot 75 yards with a sub 12 .177 every week. At a 28mm bell target that’s about the size of a £2 coin. In calm conditions it’s very easy to get 15+ shots on consecutively but calm conditions are rare. A slight head wind will scatter the pellets and with strong winds it’s comical. We have also had hits on a 9mm bell target but that is really hard and you couldn’t do that in anything but the calmest conditions. The best equipment in my opinion is a large optic 50mm+ objective lens and 17x zoom or higher. The optic should have a Christmas tree reticle to give you fast hold off in the wind. I use second focal plane scopes zeroed at 50 yards and I hold over some guys will zero at 75 yards it’s your choice. Guns pcp weihruach HW100 bullpup. If you want to make it even easier use a gun with an electronic trigger like a Day State alpha wolf. Another gun is the ATG vixen which is also ridiculously accurate. Most pcps will have no problem although FX guns can be problematic and the Airmaks Katran have had issues as well. Just to be clear this is not just seeing 1 gun have a problem it’s more than one and with different owners. If you’re a springer shooter it’s possible to hit. I have managed to hit the 75yard bell target most weeks though it is less consistent but achievable. I have done this with my HW 97’s in .22 and .177 running at lower magnification between 8-10X mag with 32mm objective lens I use Optisan CP scopes for that, which all my springers have mounted. Other makes of gun the have no trouble are air arms tx200, also hw98. Other things that help get to 75 are windicators attached to the target we use 2 a dayglo ribbon and builders line those two will give good indication of strength and direction. Other things is a large metal back plate sprayed with line paint to indicate missed shots to allow for corrections. That’s about it have fun.

[@adamsaville6298]

I shoot out to a 100yards with my .177 sub 12 pathfinder at hey lane air rifle range in Huddersfield the wind is a big factor when doing this

[@ivanparker1794]

SO LIGHTWEIGHT 900 VELOCITY paired with the element 4x16 scope is amazing but the real game changer is the impulse moderator can shoot without making a scene, really feels like im 15 again hunting,pest control to the max on my yard and maybe planking but that's boring this baby is going out into the woods.have fun and stay on point.

[@jongarratt5383]

Nice vid Chris... now try it with a sub 12ft/lb springer off a tripod, great fun

[@gmcgeester0966]

I’ve got the drs in .22,using the sak moderator too,also have a crown mk2 in .177,and a hw110 in .22,the drs for me is an awesome rifle,so light and it shouldered perfectly

[@markhomer5704]

Excellent rifle, the wife swears by hers, damn good on HFT corse anawl

[@allgood6535]

I use the hw xl silencer it’s the quietest out there fits the drs a dream

[@doomfathertm8771]

I hunt rabbits between 65 and 85 yards and been doing it for 4 years successfully in sub 12. you just gotta know your stuff and have the right kit. you cant use dropping grass for wind with sub 12 air guns at those ranges, it's not sensitive enough. You need either very light thin cotton or chalk. a 0.8mph breeze makes a huge difference at those ranges. The elevation correction is because the wrong drag function was being used, it's not G1, it's GA.

[@chrisparkin431]

Im sure you do

[@6lr6ak6]

No need to lock turrets, can honestly get better groups with my 97 using Baracuda 8s and FTTs 😊

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

I’m guessing those pellets are becoming unstable when they drop below a certain velocity. The spread between 50 and 75m is too erratic.

[@stephenbroadhurst7653]

Brilliant video Chris I wonder how a sub 12 ft-lb .22 would have faired with a slightly higher bc pellet.

[@richardjones2811]

Does seem your mounts are canting the scope according to your long range groups. Try BKL mounts.

[@sn00pgreen]

I've been looking at the DRS as a long term FAC rifle in .22 possibly..but although I've seen quite a few different vids on them, to me the rifle's accuracy is not a given..nothing else is important, the thing has to be properly accurate and at the moment i'm not entirely convinced

[@mikeyb9819]

My .22 Impact M3 will hit a golf ball at 100 yards. I’ve video’d it on my Zulus so have the proof for any doubters 😂

[@allgood6535]

What’s the holdover 4ft 😂

[@ianbath4776]

Hw 77 will do better all day long 👍🏻

[@user-ze4fc2gx3q]

Why not zero in at 50yrds then use the mil dot to adjust elevation and vice the verser.

[@chrisparkin431]

@@user-ze4fc2gx3q loving that phrase

[@sidweazel2883]

IMHO a well tuned HW100 will outperform that rifle. After owning 15 rifles I always come back to the HW100. Bang for buck there’s nothing better.

[@allgood6535]

I have the hw 100 kt .177 yes it’s fantastic can’t fault it also have the drs .177 and it’s a cracking gun also can’t fault it’s accuracy at 35 yards

[@connor2dap884]

More of a rimfire kinda guy but I’m getting this

[@bertbccfu9564]

I was and still am into rimfire , I've got a tricked out 10/22t , i can set it up for benchrest with the hammer forged twisted ss hvy barrel and laminated curly maple stock or go lightweight for the field with houge rubber over molded stock and carbon fiber hvy barrel with tensioned ss barrel liner, but I've always been into air rifles, always had crosman and beeman multi pump guns , got my 1st PCP air rifle in 2020 , I've bought 5 more since lol , its very addicting, with my pcp's suppressors on i can shoot my backyard 50 yard range all afternoon without anyone even knowing ,I've also done a lot of pest control with my .25 cal hp varmint, woodchucks thru both ears at 75-100 yards no problem, my record shot so far pesting is a range finder verified 134 yards starling headshot,, just went down to my buddy's farm yesterday afternoon for some plinking practice, hitting bottle caps @100 yards with the .25, anyone who sees it first asks what it is ? When I tell them it's a pellet rifle I usually get the reaction of oh like it's a toy, till I let them shoot it and show them the crazy accuracy lol, then they usually want to know where to get one lol ,

[@longyx321]

Try heavier pellets?

[@robincormie855]

Hi Chris I was just wondering if your drs rattles when giving it a shake sounds like hammer spring rattling.

[@chrisparkin431]

pellets have a lot of spare space in the magazine

[@robincormie855]

@chrisparkin431 sorry Chris that's without the mag!

[@chrisparkin431]

@@robincormie855 was the bolt shut?

[@robincormie855]

@@chrisparkin431 yes

[@brianreed1451]

very interesting. How about hw97 test at 75yds

[@chrisparkin431]

I do actually own one but it's nothing like as accurate at any distance in my hands

[@karlos543]

Think I'll pass on this rifle

[@bertbccfu9564]

I agree at 12 ft lbs .177 , it's a waste , now full power in .25 I'd go for , but imo its incredibly overpriced .

[@leejones7688]

My little air arms s510 in 177 would hit that not a problem at 75m. Most air guns have a sweetspot on pressure and my s510 is at about 175 and its shoots sweet as a nut, that fx will have one too and if you’ve been doing all those shots with one fill then that could be the reason. I enjoy shooting a pellet rifle sometimes more than my rimfire as it’s a much harder discipline in my eyes and I just love figuring the thing out.

[@Guide504]

I understand you want it to be better than it is, but it just isn't. If however you replace the liner and shroud with a real barrel from loather or CZ then it may be ok. The 12 ftlb HW100 will do it all day at a ton.

[@chrisparkin431]

@@Guide504 it is what it is and not my rifle so I have no vested interest in showing anything other than what I found it capable of as supplied

[@Guide504]

@chrisparkin431 I was more referring to the assertion that the issue is due to the 12ftlbs rather than the fact it's Bens barrel liner and all it entails.

[@PhillipArmstrong1988]

Great video. My HW100 in 177 likes the 7.87g Air Arms Diabolo Express. I believe these are the same as JSB Diabolo Exact Express? They've shot some very tight groups out at 70yd plus. There's not much on KZbin about testing lighter weight pellets, though! The trend is heavy pellets or slugs but I've found speed to be key in 177. Is this something you could test Chris? At 815fps, they also appear less affected by wind. I'm not sure if it's the reduced time of flight, meaning the wind has less time to have an effect? They’re also a very effective hunting pellet at sub 12ft/lb hunting distances.

[@sidweazel2883]

I’ve got the same rifle as you and shoot the same pellets. I shoot 65 metres rat head shots with ease when wind is low. Air Arms and JSB Diablos are very slightly different in skirt length and also material composition, but very slight and both work well. For me, Air Arms are my favourites.

[@wanebuck6705]

The outhouse door 🚪 is safe

[@MrJoep87]

Shame, I was quite excited when i saw this at the shooting show but everything I've seen so far seems to suggest it's really not particularly accurate.

[@chrisparkin431]

Im Not sure which ideas you are watching but i have made several videos on it and an very impressed for a sub 12 in sub 12 reality

[@nicksamsunggalaxys2404]

I've seen alot of people saying the same as you said its a shame as it looks great

[@marcinrozmus-gq3hx]

Look that at 75 ..reg showing bit issue there..looks that its not contistant at all. Or fx have huge quality problem.

[@chrisparkin431]

@@marcinrozmus-gq3hx sorry I don't understand your comment

[@donalmurphy1645]

Any chance do fac

[@chrisparkin431]

It's on order but retail buyers are in the queue before writers and video makers. The DRS has been very popular

[@donalmurphy1645]

Ok thanks keep up the good work great reviews

[@gibstera5580]

Chris, I thoroughly enjoyed this video. I am always playing around with ballistics, and yes, .260 rem, .223, or rimfire, would make short work of it, but airguns/springers are challenging and fun. Thank you for taking the time and sharing the adventures. Take care!

[@danielcooper175]

FX really suck tbh I've not seen any of there rifles shoot constantly and accurately, the crown I had was like a shotgun in terms of groups all over the shop

[@hankvana2149]

Are you sure it's the rifle? My Crown typically shoots sub 3/8" groups at 40 yards - if I do my part.

[@danielcooper175]

@@hankvana2149 yes it's the Rifle, it's the worst one I've ever shot. my bsa r10 would be pellet on pellet

[@hankvana2149]

@danielcooper175 Strange Daniel. From my experience (with a couple of Crowns and several other FX PCPs (using the same barrel system), they shoot consistently well. Per your description, I'd be giving the rifle a detailed check making sure that all was as should be - including the magazine and moderator (if equipped). Sorry to hear of your bad experiences.

[@nixnox4852]

If you still have it, look into adjusting the screw that holds the stock and the gun together, to a repeatable torque. You'll have to trial and error it to find the sweet spot.

[@FrankBerry-l6x]

Sorry mate I'd start using h & n pellets to me that's not good shooting I'm in Australia and demand much better accuracy than that sorry buddy but you've turned me off the FX air rifle DRS😮

[@yalieangami6233]

Aiwa 😘💕👍👍

[@tonytramonti5828]

So this is what Mark Webber does now 😂

[@mikerichardson4240]

sub 12 use it to prop a door open

[@garethlinford5785]

Get your self an agt

[@chrisparkin431]

@@garethlinford5785 i dont buy any guns

[@ads3453]

This video makes me laugh by the time you finished messing around with your apps and calculators and chronographs any experienced shooter would have aimed off the correct amount and hit the target repeatedly by now 🤣🤣🤣🤣😁 those kind of calculations are worth it for full bore rifle shooting to allow you to pull of a cold bore shot. However airguns are more about fun and experimenting not reading form an excel spreadsheet.

[@chrisparkin431]

Watch the other videos then

[@rayhart7753]

For a FX rifle at 75 yards it's not happening it's 12 flb. . Saying that I've seen a £300 rifle do better.

[@allgood6535]

75 yards is a bit much for any sub 12 there intended 40 yards Max and that’s still a fair distance imo