I wana hear the G12M and G12H together rather than the Vintage 30.
@ZblockWoW5 жыл бұрын
Heritage G12M 20 watt Best guitar speaker for classic rock. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
@antonioalbares2 жыл бұрын
The H really shined in this video. I have both and tend to play M for the most part (woody, full, creamy, powerful) that said for recording the H sits on the eq so well. It’s like in between the v30 and the M imho
@oldguyjammin97325 жыл бұрын
Hardly a difference when playing cleans but a more pronounced mid spike with the V30. REALLY like the 30W Greenback!
@christianboddum87834 жыл бұрын
G12H on metal was surprisingly good!!
@echech7506 жыл бұрын
The sound cuts out between 0:22 - 0:34
@adamsteelproducer6 жыл бұрын
So it does! How did I miss that, and more importantly how did thousands of viewers not say anything? Bizarre
@echech7506 жыл бұрын
Yep. Had to look up what the M & H in G12 stood for, otherwise a very informative video.
@HybridChoky5 жыл бұрын
@Friendly Fire Harsh...but very true. XD
@shekador4 жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer they were too busy checking their speakers and sound settings like me haha
@zxexrxox4 жыл бұрын
Haven't fixed it yet?
@gregknight51415 жыл бұрын
Its weird to think I have a digital copy of those actual cabs on my Wall of Sound software. They sound awesome btw
@KingKook4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the V30 is more midrangey, less top end clarity or sparkle, so it sounds more, um, noisy. It's good for 70's rock and certain specific applications, such as rhythm, overdubs, etc. But the Heritage cones have more personality and range available to be dialed in with your amp and guitar controls. The M seemed to overdrive more easily and fully, but the H has great overall tone.
@rendyandrian71496 жыл бұрын
Hi, your videos are really useful for me. Because you compare so many different celestion speakers. Right now, I can only hear the different of celestion speakers through IR. Listening your videos shows me how the real speaker sounds like. I'm currently planning to buy a 2x12 with celestion. So, I'm looking forward to watch your comparison between series and parallel connection.
@MyMotherTheCar5 жыл бұрын
I like the smoothness of the G12M. To me it's a huge advantage that they're less efficient - the power tubes work harder to push the same amount of volume, and they don't have that harsh midrange thing the V30 has. They sound BIG whereas the V30 just sounds loud. Greenbacks are the only thing that makes my 50W JCM800 even remotely usable in clubs.
@KingKook4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the V30 is more midrangey, less top end clarity or sparkle, so it sounds more, um, noisy.
@mikepretorius6350 Жыл бұрын
For sure as im now finding out 😊
@MATTE.U.K3 ай бұрын
this comment, i agree perfect explanation. G12M It is but new UK made, used ones on ebay, or Chinese made
@Zantrop646 жыл бұрын
The more distortion, the more the speaker is important
@amritjanardhanan4 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily - the WATTAGE, the more the speaker is important. Speaker distortion has a very peculiar sound that most don't want. Even if you always play dead clean, you don't want a speaker that makes or sound nasal or muffled.
@Zantrop644 жыл бұрын
@@amritjanardhanan yeah, but the compression it gives with more volume is what can be important. Wattage isn't volume in many cases. I have a modded micro terror that can give insane volumes, but some amps with higher wattage can be quieter, depending on transistor is tubes, or the architecture of the amp. It's said A class amps are better sounding but way less efficient than many architectures. But wth do I know? I'm drunk I probably am saying the dumbest shit you'll ever read. Anyway, in my short experience, clean tones aren't as affected by the speaker as distorted ones, as they create a lot of high frequencies, that often requires to be muted so it isn't deafening. G'night folks
@amritjanardhanan4 жыл бұрын
LOL. Have a good night
@jackhackett31975 жыл бұрын
Now I'll never what the M and H stand for.
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
Medium and Heavy magnet
@doc_matter Жыл бұрын
Was the audio of that clipped out on purpose
@tagadabrothersband6 жыл бұрын
1) g12m25 greenbacks - 2) g12h30 greenbacks - 3) V30, I don't like much this one. I use g12h30/55 greenbacks (heritage series / made in UK) in marshall 1960ahw
@Summer69.2 жыл бұрын
Hola que tal. Qué amplificador estás usando con el gabinete Marshall 1960 AHW (Celestion G12H30 / 55 hertz, Heritage. estaba indeciso si adquirir un cab Marshall 1960 BHW a un buen precio, o esperar a un cab 1960AX ( Celestion greenback G12 M ) tengo un Ceriatone Jcm 800 que creo tiene un sonido más JMP que un Jcm 800 porque esta basado en el circuito de 1976. dicen que los Celestion G12H30 55 hertz greenback Heritage son muy duros y fueron diceñados para Bass. mi estiló que buscó acercarme es estiló ( Guns n Roses, Aerosmith, van Halen) ¿podrías brindarme alguna opinión o consejo? gracias
@Bilzebube925 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comparisons. You realy help me to choice the correct speakers.
@MATTE.U.K3 ай бұрын
Thank you, the bass might be deeper but i prefer the mids on the regular greens
@jilgijs5 жыл бұрын
Great that you did this video with sign language!
@ALtheDoctorWho4 жыл бұрын
Not sure but I think your using the 75 hz G12H. I have Vintage 30s in my top cab but I lelt the bottom with G12H 55 hz speakers. There is a Difference in the sound of 55hz & 75hz.G12Hs. Thanks for Sharing. c];-)
@adamsteelproducer4 жыл бұрын
There is a difference, but very subtle in the “thump” of the speaker. The overall character is very similar
@underpressureman6 жыл бұрын
Awsome, this is exactly what I wanted to see! Im currently deciding on a G12M or a G12H! Thanks man!
@jamesgreen24122 жыл бұрын
What did you go for? I'm in same boat
@cobalt84212 жыл бұрын
Same here, i'll go for 2*G12M it will nicely fit with a or15 head.
@charlfrick82455 жыл бұрын
Nice concise editing, thanks.
@kylebishop84834 жыл бұрын
Why not do a recording through the V30 and G12H 55hz. That’s the combo you want.
@baddistortion99353 жыл бұрын
G12M: Cleans G12H: Crunch Vintage 30: Metal Gotta have 'em all, sorry.
@joeytruelove6 жыл бұрын
I'd be curious to know the years of make and/ or the T codes for the speakers demoed in the flick, please. The G12H30 being technically a Blackback does put it into a certain timeframe though.
@FlankinspanK6 жыл бұрын
g12h and v30 combined in a 212 would be awesome
@adamsteelproducer6 жыл бұрын
Indeed they are. The V30 and G12H75 are Zilla’s recommended mix
@mikeindel5 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt the v30 drown out the GB ?
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
No, the G12H is the same sensitivity as a V30
@musick7774 жыл бұрын
I have this combo in my cab, it's darn good!
@theaverage7550 Жыл бұрын
Is the g12h a 55hz or 75hz?
@thracian20723 жыл бұрын
The Framus Ruby Riot combo comes with the G12M greenback and V30 speaker combination.
@RobertoMilano5 жыл бұрын
I prefer the G12Heritage, in my opinion it has less "hiss" by listening to this test. I have two V30, but I don't like them so much... They sound too sterile for my taste, I have the feeling that they want a lot of distortion to sound powerful. I also have a Celestion Classic Lead 80 in a 1x12 Palmer and I like it very much (not too middle freq. and nice bass/highs). This G12H will be my next purchase.
@christopherdunn3174 жыл бұрын
4:22 4:32 4:42 7:36
@hgostos3 жыл бұрын
BOth the M and the H sound SO much better in the 2x12" cab (especially the H). Those speakers need IMHO to be in abig ish box to sound at their best.
@StratMatt7774 жыл бұрын
Starts at 5:53
@underpressureman6 жыл бұрын
fun fact, the lighter the magnet , the more the sound is compressed! Thats why for instance , like you said , on the G12M it sounded more saturated in the chugaa chugaa's and distorted riffage!
@adamsteelproducer6 жыл бұрын
For the same type of magnet, sure! Doesn’t seem to be that way with the Neo Creamback, which has a super light magnet but it’s super strong
@underpressureman6 жыл бұрын
Oh crazy, maybe it has something to do with the magnet type, and that rule doesnt apply! But ya , for the regular celestions anyway!
@richardhunter97796 жыл бұрын
I Gauss so.
@adamsteelproducer6 жыл бұрын
Ba dum tish
@underpressureman6 жыл бұрын
or do you know so, lol
@Lexxo7774 жыл бұрын
Damn, no clear winner, they all sound great !
@pawerup36314 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this video.
@superflea724 жыл бұрын
great video, thanks for this!
@marcogiampa283 Жыл бұрын
Comparing a late 70s G12H30 blackback with a kurt mueller cone and a late 80s/90s greenback reissue is not a fair comparison for magnet weight. I would like to see this again with a soeaker with the same cones of the same era
@adamsteelproducer Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome to make a video!
@ReddenDoom6 жыл бұрын
Great test thanks!
@rocknroll197311 ай бұрын
G12m with a g12h in a 2x12 is ballsy
@tonyhayek10865 жыл бұрын
Greenbacks all day long
@charlesroucher15654 жыл бұрын
I would go for the Greenback (H 30w?) that does not set people on fire. How did you manage to combine a G12M and Vintage 30 into a 1x12 by the way? Is there some digital gizmo I missed or something?
@saz123ful5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very good review!! What whould you suggest for a Marshall mini jubilee 2525 head 20w? In an Egnater usa 1x12 cab? I don't know what speaker has inside only that is 8ohm and I feel it doesn't match very well...
@jamesgreen24122 жыл бұрын
Hi there. I have a blackstar studio 10 6l6 I'm thinking a G12m heritage will be the good way to go. What do you think please? Best regards. James
@maxxstock6 жыл бұрын
vs G12M and Vintage 30 Combined
@MrGabexhun5 жыл бұрын
Very good comparison! Even compensating for the sensitivity difference, great. A small remark, using cardioid mic for room mic is gonna suffer of proximity effect the other way: the bass is attenuated. Omnidirectional room mics are better in a studio. Thank you!
@DarkItachi16 жыл бұрын
the G12H was my fav by far you also messed up a few time stamps in the discription
@adamsteelproducer6 жыл бұрын
Which ones?
@DarkItachi16 жыл бұрын
Hop Pole Studios the 1x12 Clean and Crunch are the same
@adamsteelproducer6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up. Fixed!
@DarkItachi16 жыл бұрын
Hop Pole Studios no Problem
@metalfather81393 жыл бұрын
i love my my 412 2 v30s 2 greenbacks cab
@MustangStevie73 жыл бұрын
They all have there own flavour, I like them all, and I have all 3 too.
@qua77713 жыл бұрын
I liked the greenback for a classic tone and the V30 for high gain. I have V30s and H75s mixed in my 4x12 and like it. I'm considering loading my 2x12 with greenbacks. Not sure yet. It has V30s now. A little bright.
@PaoloGiacci5 жыл бұрын
What happens when two speakers with different sensitivity values are matched? For instance, a G12M Greenback (98db) and a G12H Creamback (100db). I’m planning to do such a combo, but I’m worried about phase issues if the two speakers don’t feature exactly the same efficiency... Am I wrong? Thanks mate!
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
The phase isn’t an issue. Only problem is that the higher sensitivity speaker will be louder and may drown out the characteristics of the other one!
@PaoloGiacci5 жыл бұрын
Hop Pole Studios Thanks for the reply. In my case it could be a good thing since my Laney LA30BL sounds a bit too scooped in the mids (between 1k and 2k) with stock greenbacks loaded in its own 2x12 closed back cab. Replacing just one of those with a more mid focused speaker like the Creamback could solve the issue without being a too drastic change. Even thought I’m curious about the Neo one, I think I’ll benefit from the more efficient heavy magnet Creamback version, which, by the way, is the one I know the most. Do you think this could work, or the Neo or the g12m could work better in bringing out some more mids and smooth out the highs just a little bit (always paired with a greenback)? I think I’ll change one speaker first, and if it doesn’t work still I’ll replace both.
@StAlRa4 жыл бұрын
If these first examples are a single SM57 only, why is the signal stereo? Is there a slight delay applied? What's going on?
@adamsteelproducer4 жыл бұрын
Two takes, hard panned left and right. Using a single SM57
@maxxstock6 жыл бұрын
G12H and Vintage 30 Combined?
@cgavin14 жыл бұрын
V30 is the affordable G12H. That is not an insult either. The V30 is a very capable speaker. Its not a great speaker. But closer than 99% of other options in a Marshall or a Vox ..
@adamsteelproducer4 жыл бұрын
That’s simply not accurate at all, I’ve made videos on the history of the V30 and it’s comparable in price, with a very different design and target sound
@cgavin14 жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer Fair enough. I think they sound fairly similar, as all Celestion speakers do really. What I was trying to say was that if you can't or won't pay for the Heritage, get a V30 and its going to tick most of your boxes at a much lower price point.
@scottdavidson60662 жыл бұрын
I can’t seem to find any demos of the G12H30 (55/75 Hz) played clean-like single-note jazz runs. Any chance I could persuade you to make a short demo of that? Many thanks!!
@adamsteelproducer2 жыл бұрын
Check out the 6 hour Celestion video we did, there’s a whole ton in there
@scottdavidson60662 жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer I’ll look for it. Thanks!!
@scottdavidson60662 жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer I’d seen that video and re-visited it after seeing your comment. You guys didn’t include those two speakers. Possibly because they’d already been discontinued before you put the video together five months ago? Thanks, anyway, though.
@nigel900 Жыл бұрын
The G12H is the only speaker that is 55 Hz, rather than 75 Hz for the others.
@manipicao4 ай бұрын
uh the audio cuts out
@chrismosquad10564 жыл бұрын
I’m only a minute 54 in, and I already got my money’s worth.
@flor_de_reiger5 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the nice demo. I have a Blackstar HT5R combo and changed the stockspeaker for a celestion V30. On the clean channel and the volume at max, it is still clean. No natural break up. Is this because the V30 is 60W and my amp only 5W? Will it make a difference if I install a lower wattage speaker like the G12H 30 ? Thanks
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
Hi Eddy- if your amp isn’t breaking up at max output, that may be by design- some amps just are that way. If you got a 30W speaker, you still wouldn’t be anywhere near making the speaker add breakup either. You may not even be close with a 15W Alnico Blue. Natural amp breakup does seem to be very amp dependent
@flor_de_reiger5 жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer thanks for fast reply. Before I also had a vox nt combo with a g12m greenback. I connected this speaker with the BS ht5r and had a lovely nice breakup. Same with the stock speaker (but does not handle the lows very well). I bought the V30 second handed and I don't know how much it has been played yet.
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
The g12m is a 25W speaker so much more likely to get close to breakup- the V30 is never going to get close without a 50W amp driving it
@flor_de_reiger5 жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer well...I guess I've made a wrong speakerchoice :-(
@mikeindel5 жыл бұрын
Im sorry but can anybody please do a greenback demo with an amp sound the speaker is meant for ?..not clean..not distortion but amp pushing speaker to breakup !
@ampegloud6 жыл бұрын
great pro video !!!!!
@user-zf3pc4di2j5 жыл бұрын
and mixing & playing xD
@waldemarpierzchalski5 жыл бұрын
On picture is g12h heritage while link is for anniversary version which one is in the video?
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
The picture is not a Heritage- it is an actual 1978 G12H. The anniversary is the closest model I think you can buy now since they don’t make them in the Kurt Meuller style anymore
@ampegloud5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@FlowtnWitWalden5 жыл бұрын
playing beings @ 3:18... you're welcome
@snotmale5 жыл бұрын
wass going on with the puppet hands?
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
It's a subliminal message....?
@guitarwilly81 Жыл бұрын
Would mixing the 25 and 30s in a 4x12 make sense?
@adamsteelproducer Жыл бұрын
If those are two sounds you want to blend, then sure why not
@guitarwilly81 Жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer didn't know if one would be louder than the other, etc
@adamsteelproducer Жыл бұрын
Technically the H 30s would be louder, but if you’re putting mics on a cab in my experience it doesn’t matter at all
@guitarwilly81 Жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer no mics, just in room sound
@adamsteelproducer Жыл бұрын
You can still do it, but expect the sound of the H speakers to come across stronger
@user-ts8bl3qe5t4 жыл бұрын
Hi! I think I know the answer, but are you using old G12H in this video? there is a 70` anniversary one aswell.. what would you reccomend to put together with v30 in 212 cab to get classic rock/metal sound. I have G12H30 anniversary now, to fizzy, too much highs, but i like bass responce more then in v30..
@adamsteelproducer4 жыл бұрын
If you think the G12H30 is fizzy, maybe try the Redback as it’s got that deep low end but more controlled highs. The G12H in this video is a real 1978 model, not an Anniversary reissue
@user-ts8bl3qe5t4 жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer I have anniversary one, I saw new/old compare, the new one was bright compare to old aswell. Found you reaback video, going to check it
@PeteKaltsa2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t the 30 a black back?
@adamsteelproducer2 жыл бұрын
Black backs are green backs with different plastic
@stiffrichard2816 Жыл бұрын
I'm tired of hearing about the V30's "harsh mids", it's B.S.. Maybe the way YOU use it with your rig, or what you're expecting from it. It has a pronounced, very "vocal" mid hump similar to what a tube screamer does, warm highs, tight, growly lows, and it strongly imparts that character on your amp. Perfect for a lead player or fattening up single coils. It's similar to the G12H 55Hz but with more grit and mo' louder. The newer 25w does not sound like the vintage ones, that's a fact. They're much brighter and thinner. Not bad, but not the same. The 30w is pretty close to the originals but that aside, don't tell me the China-made Celestions sound the same as the UK, they don't. Guitarists are waking up and not buying overseas-made speakers and putting them in their beloved vintage western-made cabs or anything boutique or pro-level. They're not that much cheaper and it's just not cool. When we think of Rock and Roll, we don't think of some factory in Hong Kong. That's just for rubber toys.
@michaelskyrealm4 жыл бұрын
greenback h for me
@stephenatgraceland2 жыл бұрын
The H sounds really nice mixed with an Anniversary in a 2x12. Bright but clear and tuneful.
@soundsokok7 ай бұрын
11:13. 9:12. 9:43
@jaychen2000metal4 жыл бұрын
Why dont they make a 50w greenback?
@adamsteelproducer4 жыл бұрын
Because then it wouldn’t be a greenback
@adamsteelproducer4 жыл бұрын
It would be a different sound because of different materials needed to cope with power handling. They did exactly this and named it the “Creamback” so you know it’s different
@Alexhangman6 жыл бұрын
How much ohm is the speakers?
@adamsteelproducer6 жыл бұрын
All 8 ohm
@Alexhangman6 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@ivanasin12684 жыл бұрын
Can I put a G12H in a 20w amp?
@adamsteelproducer4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@aussie_philosopher80795 жыл бұрын
Bro you really need those speakers moving some air to get them in their sweet.
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
“Bro” you don’t know how loud I was running these speaker setups. It was sufficiently loud. If you don’t like the sound I suggest you’re hearing what they really sound like rather than what your heavily battered ears are telling you in the room with the amp.
@aussie_philosopher80795 жыл бұрын
@@adamsteelproducer ok , my bad mate
@josepcla4 жыл бұрын
So, the H30 is heavier than the V30? Hahah
@Pandamasque5 жыл бұрын
1:04 four, actually.
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
I'm not talking about resonance frequencies, rather the more general M and H variants. Actually.
@Pandamasque5 жыл бұрын
I was talking about magnet sizes. G12L < G12S < G12M < G12H. Lighter magnets versions were generally forgotten I guess for the very reason you mentioned.
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
Ok, that’s fair. There’s very little I can find about those speakers from way back when (I have a set of G12Ls but they’re from the 2000s so I figured they were a modern design). If you know of any resources for those speakers from the original greenback release days, I’ll be happy to have a look
@Pandamasque5 жыл бұрын
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Johan Segeborn (on KZbin) actually demoed one or both. He seems to own a quite a few vintage cabs and amps.
@adamsteelproducer5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but the G12L and G12S I’ve seen are 80s or 70s designs and quite separate from the Greenback conversation, which is what the video (and the original statement) were about. If there’s no concrete evidence of early designs of those, I stand by my statement - in context of the video it’s in