G24(t): Germany’s Take on the Czechoslovakian vz24

[@madpackrips]

As a seller of original German WW2 photos for 2.5 decades, this rifle and the Czech version are not seen very often in photos and even more rare with the front side hood still being attached. Ian has actually helped identify various firearms in photos for me in the past, ironically Czech made firearms. Great guy, great channel! Thanks for what you do!!

[@chartreux1532]

As a Collector of WW2 Photos (starting with the Photo Albums of my own Relatives including Waffen-SS 1st, 2nd and 6th and 24th Divisions) this Video and Post made me want to check out if i can spot any, especially among my Grand Uncle who was with the 24th "Karstjäger Division" since they had all kinds of wacky and weird Weapons, especially while in Italy. So thanks for sharing this, makes me re-check a lot of these Photos from my Family! Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps

[@PavelNygryn]

Just to clarify - Germans didn't take over Czechoslovakia - only Czechia. Slovakia splits up at the same time (one day prior to occupation of Czechia) with it's own fascist government and becomes ally of Germany. As this factory in Povážská Bystrica was in Slovakia, Germans had to make "proper business" in this case. That's why they take only significant share, not whole company.

[@JeffEbe-te2xs]

German financing has a hint of corruption

[@tomhalla426]

The Third Reich only nominally had private industry. As the Reich set prices, wages, profits, and what was to be produced, the differences with Stalinism were mostly image.

[@Bernie_747]

Excellent explanation 👍

[@shilopnamreg6468]

That doesn’t fit as well with the dumbed down “evil Germans try to take over the whole world” narrative that’s been pushed since 1945 though. They usually leave out the fact that there were many other small countries that willingly collaborated with the axis.

[@Grotzholm]

what you mean "takeover" we were ask by the czech president for protectorate.

[@scottkrafft6830]

I have one of these rifles! It's an A block rifle from 1941, all matching, so it's one of the very first ones made. It does have the hardwood stock and not laminate. It's serial number 3741(a).

[@RamBam3000]

Wow, lucky you, having such an antique.

[@romaboo6218]

@@abaialsa712 Thats cool man.

[@williamlloyd3769]

Vintage not antique. Still usage

[@pb68slab18]

I have one of the 'unissued'' Czech-made 1929 Persian long rifles with matching number bayonet. The workmanship is nothing less than exquisite!

[@spikymikie]

That has some BEAUTIFUL furniture on it. And I never met a Mauser I didnt like. I have a Turkish K98 myself.

[@cheesenoodles8316]

Very nice example. I obtained an example of the first VZ24s sent to Germany. Shopping for a K98kkl, but found a nice matching VZ24, informed later the filled in wrist swivel, blued bolt and added 2 digit serial number to a few places. The collecting of German WWII weapons is a minefield.

[@Onitsutube]

hey Ian, just a small correction from a Slovak fan :) the town You mentioned is "Povazska Bystrica" not just "Bystrica".... may seem as nitpicking, but there is no town called "Bystrica" in Slovakia, but we have several "something" - Bystrica (Banska Bystrica for instance) :) So saying just "Bystrica" is quite confusing ;)

[@Sralazar]

🤓

[@thestørmcrier2024]

What does Bystrica mean?

[@DavidVincent-f5l]

Onitsutube, just a idea. If you work for any museum that Ian likes to visit. Stage a back to the classroom experience for Ian. Like he's for the moment loosing his historical certificate. Has to pass a exam. Great late April fools joke.

[@CHMichael]

@@Onitsutube Neusohl until 1867

[@Onitsutube]

@@thestørmcrier2024 it's a bit tricky to translate... sort of a small, fast flowing river I guess would be the closest thing that gets into my mind... but it's not entirely correct...

[@zacharyrollick6169]

Beautiful piece

[@Grubnar]

It is beautiful! And looks like it is brand new. An excellent item!

[@pointynotsharp]

It will take a standard German SG84/98 bayonet, but they used Seitengewehr (sidearm) 24(t) bayonets with these. Which were VZ24 bayonets converted to German use. The conversion consisted of the removal of the muzzle ring. These were both converted and made new in this configuration. I covered them in one of my videos a little while ago

[@randyhavard6084]

That rifle appears to be in fantastic shape

[@Goc4ever]

This was very engaging, once again you outdid yourself Ian. I found it rather interesting how the German war machine originally had more variety when it came to guns before the standardization on K98K, MP40, MG34 and 42 and a few others.

[@pepethefrog6355]

Love the "Škoda" pronounciation

[@vaclavmajer5488]

i love how he cares enough to say the names properly very rare on youtube

[@LD-Orbs]

I like Ian's attitude here. Impressive, and appreciated! 🗣

[@johnschofield9496]

I hate to think how many of these gems got "bubba'd" !!!

[@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus]

Nice build quality, as you’d expect from the Czechs. 👍🏻

[@Mygg_Jeager]

Last time I was this early to a forgotten weapons video, the G24(t) was still in service.

[@MichalKolac]

†††

[@pepethefrog6355]

I say i appreciate your help too the Starboard Studios.

[@R4002]

Another rifle with a beautiful stock.

[@Balrog2005]

This and the special gebirg carbine are the best bolt action, for me, of WW2.

[@MusicHavenSG]

Quite a nice piece that looks better than the standard K98K even though it is essentially one, with similar ergonomics but a different shaped bolt.

[@吳秉樺-b7j]

The longer handguard is frankly a better design than the k98k, some videos suggest that longer handguard gives the shooter more space to grip the gun, which is beneficial in large volume rapid fire.

[@124thDragoon]

It’s also generally more useful for bayonet combat, for back when that was a relevant concern.

[@TheTrueNorth11]

@@124thDragoonIn Europe, not really.

[@shilopnamreg6468]

@@TheTrueNorth11bayonet combat was taught to German troops in WW2, particularly for urban CQC fighting to compensate for their bolt action. If you ran into an enemy at close range, you were supposed to hip-fire your k98k and follow it up with a bayonet charge.

[@TheTrueNorth11]

@@shilopnamreg6468 Bayonet fighting is still taught all over the world to this day. Doesn't mean it was a common occurrence in WW2 Europe.

[@shilopnamreg6468]

@@TheTrueNorth11 No one said that bayonet fighting was a common occurrence in WW2 Europe. Dragoon said the legend hand guard would be more useful for bayonet combat, I mentioned that it was part of German combat doctrine.

[@nicholasdenn4052]

It would maybe be difficult to do but for German made versions of different countries guns it'd be cool to see a side by side of the German and original

[@garrisonandrew9862]

I have one, the straight bolt was bent. Unknown if it was done by the Germans or post war.

[@benb9244]

Got lucky and found an early german captured and reworked vz24 for 299 at my lgs. Would love to see a video about the various styles of reworks prior to g24t production!

[@zed639]

Thanks, very informative.

[@christopherbargerstock1529]

Also of note, these and the VZ-24 have rear sights with a 300m min range setting as opposed to the K98 100m.

[@fredklein724]

My father brought one of these home as a war trophy afterWW2. I remember the straight bolt.

[@F4Wildcat]

This is the weapon that got used to club my 6 year old grandfather half dead when he refused to let SS troops to take his cow at the farm.. he always disliked germans after that. The perpetrators were a SS flak unit stationed near keerbergen, 1942 belgium.

[@erik_dk842]

Now you have villains coming from much further away doing basically the same with your government and the EU's blessing.

[@parrotraiser6541]

The furniture on that is in beautiful condition. Was it forgotten in storage somewhere? It doesn't look as though it saw any combat.

[@JeffEbe-te2xs]

May have been refurbished before storage

[@Dumplingu]

A very pretty rifle

[@theblindsniper9130]

Man i wish my gun videos would get 7k views in an hour lmao as for the topic, people under estimate just how many models of 98 mauser are out there alone. I hear all the time 'Germany used THIS' with a certainty that leans towards nothing else being used, because they didnt see it in a movie or video game. Germany used sooooo many different mausers. So did sooooo many different countries.

[@maverickpaladin4155]

I'd love to see a video sometime showing how other Mauser rifle models vary from both the K98k and each other. I have an M24/47, along with many others. Aside from the front sight hood and markings, they look very similar. I need to pull it out of the safe and look at it compared to the vz24.

[@jacknifedbl]

Man I remember the days of under 75 bucks at big 5 sporting goods for a vz 24/47 they were great deer rifles!!!!!

[@weswolever7477]

My dad and I added a couple of rifles to our collection from Big 5, unfortunately they no longer seem to carry surplus rifles anymore

[@jacknifedbl]

@weswolever7477 we don't even have one here anymore sadly.......they were awesome back in the day!

[@aljole683]

Taking over “ownership” by forcing someone to take a payment under threat of death is still theft.

[@heinerheise703]

Wouldn't it be more like blackmailing or robbery?

[@yolobathsalts]

Tell that to the libs

[@Simon_Nonymous]

I think Ian has been somewhat circumspect with his language on this one - e.g. when the Germans 'took over' Czechoslovakia. I'm here for his knowledge of firearms though, not to debate his choice of pharses with you good people. 🙂

[@JeffEbe-te2xs]

Or the government

[@JurijKlacko]

Just a detail: In the vertical hoisting of the Czech/Czechoslovak flag (like in your tumbnail), the white goes on the left.

[@danielburgess7785]

That piece looks like it just came out of the shipping box.

[@michaelguerin56]

Thank you.

[@AlexanderEddy]

That's a beautiful rifle

[@jasonanderson2403]

Beautiful rifle

[@TheMosinCrate]

These are a surprisingly beefy rifle because of the furniture. I also have a 1941 in the D block(4k later than the one Ian is showing.)

[@jong2359]

Man those proofmarks are deeply stamped on that gun. They either had really hard tools, or really soft receivers.

[@anonymousm9113]

I have a couple of K98ks, a vz24, and a G24(t). I'll have to dig out the latter to check the markings.

[@PutYourArtyAwayWalter]

I have a 1941 stamped 996 b only three numbers. It was semi sporterized with the original bolt bent and shaved and the original hardwood stock decorated and chopped. Slowly trying to restore it back to its proper look

[@paulgrimshaw8334]

The two position sling band reminds me of the sling used by German ski forces. It allowed a more secure slung carry by virtue of a double sling. This can be seen in the German Army ski manual from WWII. In cross country skiing, such a sling would facilitate secure offset shoulder carry. This would have been more practical because troops skied “to combat” rather than “into combat”. The former requires a well controlled sling because cross country skiing is a dynamic movement. Popular narratives and the film industry often depicted the latter which, is of course, more of a theatrical depiction of the Alpin Corps.

[@Sillygoober2006]

You should make a video on the Mershon and Hollingsworth Revolver

[@mrchambers31]

Did the Germans use Polish mausers as well?

[@RadekPožga]

Yes, karabinek wz 29

[@stuartburton1167]

Was there anything capable of going bang that the Germans didn't use

[@RadekPožga]

As far as I know, the Germans, especially at the end of the war, used all possible weapons that they captured in the European countries they occupied. ​@@stuartburton1167

[@Marcel_Germann]

@@RadekPožga And not only occupied. Also weapons that were captured during battles. Sometimes also modified, for example a PPSh 41 modified to use 9mm Luger. That one was designated as the MP-41 (r). Forgotten Weapons has also a video here on KZbin about that one. Or sometimes the design was used for own creations like the "Gerät Neumünster" aka MP 3008. The MP 3008 is based on the Sten Gun, but with a magazine facing downward instead of sideways, and uses MP 40 magazines. And sometimes guns were purchased from other countries, for example from Spain. The Astra 600/43 for example. I don't know who was so insane to adopt a simple blowback pistol for 9mm Luger. They were ordered and paid. And when Spain wanted to deliver a second batch after 1944, D-Day happened and the allied troops sent the ships with the guns back to Spain. But in 1951 there was a large need of 9mm pistols for West German police use and the newly found West German BGS. They ordered them again, and paid again. The weapons delivered then even had the WAa stamps. That pistol was very unpopular. It was nicknamed "lamp killer". Of course it had a stiff spring, and due to this during disassembly the barrel bushing was shot to the ceiling very often. In 1955 some went to the newly founded Bundeswehr. But the pistol "P3" was phased out in the mid 1960s. It was crap, especially when compared to the other adopted pistols like the P1 (P38 with aluminium alloy frame) or the P2 (SIG P210-4).

[@Enraged-Gecko]

@@stuartburton1167The Wehrmacht adopted Norway’s M1914, a pre-1924 Colt M1911 produced under license by Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk, despite the pistol chambering a non-standard caliber. If the jackboots were likely to pass on anything, it would have been a small arm that required German logistics to add a new caliber to their supply lines.

[@kaibowman4803]

It's also worth noting that a decent amount of these were just, issued as-is. They were more common to see in SS hands, but I have seen a decent amount of photographs of Wehrmacht soldiers on the Eastern Front with them, one photo of a Luftwaffe Flak operator/ground forces soldier, and a small amount of photos showing Kriegsmarine men wielding them apparently near Stalingrad I'd the architecture is any giveaway. From my brief analysis of these photos it seems like they were most likely to be issued in un-modifies condition early in the war, pre-'42, and late in the war, '44 and later. The SS largely seemed to not bother with the G.24(t) conversions during the entire war, and issued them on both fronts. The other branches you mainly see them on the Eastern Front.

[@theairbourne1019]

Just wanna add the vz.24 and G24(t) saw Service with the Wehrmacht as well. A rather famous case is that some units in Stalingrad used them (in Stalingrad were only Wehrmacht Troops No SS). There is a rather famius Picture from inside the city

[@DaremoKamen]

I have a vet bring back k98k with a straight bolt handle. I have no idea if the bolt is Czech, Polish or old German. No collector value, it's heavily sporterized. Granddad threw away the barrel and stock and all I inherited was the action. I needed to turn it back into a working rifle before it rusted away and sporter barrel and stock were cheaper. I did go with a barrel mounted long eye relief scope so no drilling and tapping on the receiver.

[@Roethorn_pb]

Ian, does the Antique Firearms interest/community/trade have a problem with Forgeries/Imposter replicas, perhaps made with genuine parts, but frankened; incorrect to historical production? i.e missing, incorrect and faked markings, serials, interchanged components from wrong time-period, etc.? I have noticed lots of your more recent videos have reflected well up correct identification markings.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Some problems, yes. In some specific areas there are a fair number of deliberate forgeries (especially SS guns, for example). In other areas there are a reasonable number of guns with replacement parts, often done without malice. For example, sometimes US troops were given an opportunity to take souvenir rifles from big piles of guns turned in by surrendered enemy; those often had the bolt removed when turned in. So a US soldier would take a rifle form one pile and then get a bolt from the pile of bolts, resulting in a mismatched gun. For the collector, a matching one is definitely more desirable.

[@jasonyoung9249]

Saw one for sale on consignment last year for $1,900. Looked great with matching numbers. Had several scratches in a row on the stock, “Kill marks”? By who though and are those deer, real before capture, or added as a BS story by a seller? It was a 1942 with the laminate stock.

[@anulfadventures]

I think this is the model my wife's Uncle had. I knew it was a Czech Mauser with the straight bolt. I should have made my desires regarding the rifle plain. When the wife's Uncle died we went to her Aunt to see about this rifle but she had already handed it and a shotgun over to the police. Damn!! They lived in the Arctic for many years and used it on Caribou and other game. He even still had ammunition made in 1947!!

[@LadyAnuB]

Seeing the wood furniture on this rifle I thought plywood! Turns out I was right as it is laminated wood

[@ndenise3460]

Plywood has the veneers on either 45/90degree offset. Laminate is all same direction. Laminate is a better material for stocks as it is less affected by humidity, is stronger, and damps vibration better

[@ondratrnka5691]

Seems that rear sights block and safery lever have original "Zbrojovka" proofmarks yet.

[@timbaskett6299]

There is so many variations on the Mauser rifle, I bet you could live two lifetimes and not collect all of them.

[@NOSEXER]

What was the weapon again? (I forgot)

[@andrewmckenzie6551]

So this Weapon is less rare than the G33-40?

[@DualDesertEagle]

Lol, 1 minute ago, 2nd time in recent weeks that I almost got to watch a video immediatly after it's been published 😂

[@ДмитрийСергеев-ю1х]

Bad luck. Be ready for black cats around you!!!

[@ДмитрийСергеев-ю1х]

Bad luck. Be ready for everything!!!

[@JerryMat2]

I heard that Germans later stopped using Czech weapons because Czech workers sabotaged them.

[@schorsch1337]

„Tschechoslowakei“ that is the German Name for the Czech Republic at that time

[@MrSman67]

Please do a review of made for Iran vz.24 if you get a chance. They are really beautiful.

[@sebemskream]

summertime gun

[@jasonsantos3037]

The K series of rifles not made by Germans.

[@bentogel]

Brünn is the german name of Brno

[@mawi4112]

the t stands for "thechisch" or czech

[@josefrietveld219]

tschechisch - 😉

[@mawi4112]

@ schlaumeier

[@Brez1969]

I have a vz24 with a nazi bolt, guy before me butchered the stock

[@TorquilBletchleySmythe]

Generic comment regarding being an early commentator, which sounded funnier in my head than on screen. Gun Jesus backup comment loading...

[@CHMichael]

When we think of Germany marching in we have to remember that in many regions they were celebrated rather than fought. The issue of not so historical borders.. Banska Bystrica was Neusohl until 1867

[@michalsoukup1021]

They signed the treaty, thdy gage up all rights to those lands in perpetuity.

[@ДмитрийСергеев-ю1х]

Aha. And remember, that only one State had enouth courage to stop this madness.

[@MrKronikDeception]

​@@ДмитрийСергеев-ю1х thank goodness for the UK. The USSR was initially an ally of Germany in 1939.

[@TheTrueNorth11]

@@ДмитрийСергеев-ю1хHad nothing to do with courage, and everything to do with population, geography, and economic/military power.

[@amhuman5138]

I'm replying here to watch the inevitable argument

[@MichalKolac]

Tschechoslowakei

[@Pedrolawless]

Glory to the Emperor of Mankind

[@happyhaunter_5546]

good lookin blonde!

[@up_dogF1]

early gang rise up!

[@alfredmarcos1761]

Reporting

[@Dominic1962]

1st!

[@PowermadNavigator]

Awesome, didn't know that the Czechs made so many of these. What won't their arms factories make? Also, this one appears to be almost like brand new. Quite a few of these old gins that Ian finds look great.

[@dana696danass6]

i just found out it only takes 500 signatures to complete the first level of religion being offcially recognised in czech republic.....