GAIJIN HATES THE ABRAMS? - M1A2 SEP V2 in War Thunder

[@OddBawZ]

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[@sniper1251]

Noice

[@Anarcho-harambeism]

The only time I do well in the sep is when I'm defending and doing burm drills. Most of the time though, that's onlong range maps and the enemy has already steam rolled to our spawn

[@itsnay7382]

hey i looked through your uploads and couldn't find any do you maybe have like a settings video etc everything I see is either max all settings or years old maybe a updated nation tier list aswell if possible or if you could just answer the last part who comes out on top overall as a nation not just there very top mbt etc out of USA russia and Germany anyways sorry to bother you I'm new to your channel but got some awsome content

[@Holly-dv5ow]

Thank you, does anyone know when the next sale is?

[@genjurokibagami821]

Abrams in WT seems to be much better than it is in real life

[@olli.1717]

I thought Odd was talking about me and my 4 friends in my Silverado on the way to go squirrel hunting with that intro.

[@cannack]

oh man, brings a bunch of topgear jokes to my mind

[@KptKosmit91]

damn man, you're gonna be eradicating squirrels with that 120mm smoothbore cannon

[@halostormx7827]

@@KptKosmit91its for the trees there in, the machine gun is for the squirrel

[@lenny_1369]

@@halostormx7827 SHELL SHATTERED!

[@raisedhalkey]

You and 4 friends isn't 4. 4+1 = 5 Therefore you are not an M1a@ SEPv3

[@cjnewson88]

There are several main problems with the Abrams; The 'weakspot' is over-exposed more than it should be due to a slightly inaccurate model. Years ago a guy visited an M1 with a ruler, measured the turret-ring exposure and took photos of it. Gaijin refused to correct the model, citing that it wasn't a 'primary source'. Not joking. The weakspot is also made worse by the fact the game doesn't properly implement APFSDS-shattering. In reality if a round hit the upper plate of the M1, it should shatter and not penetrate. That's not what happens in game. Gaijin also don't acknowledge that the internal armour of the M1 provides some spall protection. It also doesn't model any turret ring armour at all. On the flipside, Russian ERA is overperforming ridiculously, A thin panel of side ERA should not defeat any APFSDS round, especially the M829A2. The M1's performance is so lacking Gaijin recently considering adding the M829A3 to the game, but decided against it saying it 'wouldn't really make much difference'. Think about that for a second. An APFSDS that was specifically designed to defeat Russian ERA, wouldn't make any difference in game, according to Gaijin. That's how bad they are at implementing US tech.

[@Zx17OPv57i]

we all know that, its simply because all the players base is from russia thats marketing

[@elkrumb9159]

@@Zx17OPv57i That’s not true at all, most of the playerbase is European and American, it’s quite literally a matter of logic, This fallacy that Russian players would only play Russia as their starting nation is flawed, and I can tell you that from experience as non of my American friends started with America

[@elkrumb9159]

The Turret weakspot would only stop autocannons which would be nice I guess, but it won’t stop most things form killing you anyway, and that “hull armor stopping some spall” is a vague claim, also it’s not that Russian ERA is over performing although I do think it needs a rework to how it works, it’s more or less the game being spaghetti code as it’s inconsistent when it comes to stopping rounds

[@goldenhate6649]

@@elkrumb9159 Gaijin is dick deep in russian politics, this is well known. They suckle that teet harder than wargaming ever did

[@LucasWest-m2n]

​@@elkrumb9159that hull armor that stops spalling is called a spall liner...and gaijin didn't add a proper one for the abrams

[@Spookston]

Glad to have to back and posting Odd, I wish they would've let us get Trophy on the SEPv2 so that it's actually a worthwhile upgrade.

[@uniquethoughtss4985]

nerf the adats for no reason and give us the patriot system on a hemett :3

[@CopeAndSeeth]

look out everyone, a furry appears!

[@Dissline]

People are so blind these days, they can't even recognize a brilliant vehicle like the "HSTVL." It's like the 2S38 but designed for anti-tank warfare. In my last game, I took out three T-90Ms in five seconds-it's like they were made of cardboard! Later, while defending a point, I took three hits and still managed to destroy a Strv 122 (Leo 2A7). The "HSTVL" is so strong, it feels like bringing a tank to a pillow fight. Ultimately, I racked up enough kills to nuke everything. After discovering the "HSTVL," I never played the Abrams again.

[@Autechltd]

​@@CopeAndSeethwho?

[@The_Gabinator]

It would be incredibly heavy if they gave it trophy, but I still think they should honestly. Otherwise, there's just no point in the SEPv2's existence, because it doesn't really change anything from the SEPv1 (which is arguably better since you can take off the TUSK kit).

[@rodgerparker9049]

Wait! You're telling me that game KZbinrs pick and choose the most entertaining and fun matches to put in their videos?!?! I'm shocked I tell you. Simply shocked. 😳😳 Lol

[@SomeOne-ph1gw]

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@HerbaceousM8]

reddit is surely smart

[@9bstar]

Oh my god i never knew that how shamefull 😂

[@drenchedcloth9502]

THAT IS REPULSIVE

[@katekarin3838]

I can't believe people actually complain about that, they're literally content creators, their content is supposed to keep us entertained to watch till the end. Obviously they won't put boring clips otherwise the viewer would just get bored seeing the typical average war thunder match

[@masteryoda3196]

Since it's actually 66.1 tons that probably means the American household got a newborn. A little tankette so to say.

[@ravenouself4181]

Who let the Abrams mingle with the L3/33 CC?

[@UnknownUsername131]

@@ravenouself4181 It's 2024. It's allowed now.

[@DimSlimDaMonkey]

Wait thats pdfilea

[@seppelce]

these maps are the reason why I stopped at 9.0 and went back. Got more small city maps at 9.0 than I ever got at 6.7....

[@CaptainSpacedOut]

They need to fix the turret gap on the Abrams. I swear they made it 3x bigger than irl. Look at a photo irl of an Abrams from the front than a Gaijin abrams i swear it's like they removed a little bit of the cheeks to make that gap bigger

[@_dpod9883]

Never noticed that till now, I checked it out and holy shit your right

[@little_weed192]

It’s proven that they ‘Squashed’ the brums which is why it look off in game, IRL the brums is more stocky and beefy. Also it isn’t as thick since it doesn’t have it’s inserts

[@NahIdWin995]

No its the same unless u see that 1mm i dont i see.

[@panzerlite8108]

It looks right to me. It might just be images with awkward perspectives.

[@grandadmiralginger]

Idk having seen one in real life in person the warthunder one does seem a little to big but not by a huge amount. The issue is in real life making that shot would be super hard. Especially with how garbage Russian optics usually are from poor quality assurance. But is what it is

[@johnnyavila6887]

US top tier is so bad, my team dies in under a minute and leaves me with only one teammate to fight against. The win percentage for the US tree is below 30% which is why I quit playing on that tree.

[@fajniedobrze923]

Same

[@Conraf]

Which is funny because any Abrams now can out reload or at least match almost every other top tier tank and yet US mains still are getting clapped left and right

[@ItzCPU_]

Ofc you did, I’m not winning so why should I play?

[@experiencecookie]

i find the below 30% an odd one, because all of my abrams tanks have >50% win rates. most of the time we just dominate the enemy team, sure there are times where we get absolutely trounced but like... not that often

[@F-18Super]

@@experiencecookiebc you, like me and many others probably played the Abrams years ago and had decent win rates

[@Loconevrdies]

I finally got to top tier oddz

[@OddBawZ]

Welcome to Hell!

[@LettuceGamerCoolGuy]

@@OddBawZcan’t wait to join

[@oofdotcom420]

my round will enjoy penetrating your turret ring

[@keeburnett1823]

​@@OddBawZ LOL.

[@keeburnett1823]

@@oofdotcom420 my 292 rounds will rip away everything you have.

[@BearcatThunder]

“No fun city” is such a nice name for that map lmao

[@WigglyWings]

Anal City, Hurt Me Again Forest, Mars, Advance to Spawn Camp, Fun Factory.

[@TheseBladesSharp]

I personally thought the worst would be the Ariete AMV. Makes me cry man.

[@udenaparenica]

T72B3 easy, that reverse gear hurts

[@TheseBladesSharp]

​@@udenaparenica how do you play it? I've played the T-72 M1, it plays rather fine. Just hold W

[@udenaparenica]

@@TheseBladesSharp yeah good luck holding w with your 7 second reload

[@TheseBladesSharp]

@@udenaparenica oh... I didn't know that. I barely play Russia

[@tomtoma754]

@@udenaparenica There is no fucking way you think that tank is the worst just because of the reverse hear

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Still waiting for Gaijin to add the StuG IV.

[@liladoodle]

Aren't we all?

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

Took me 11 years to get the skink added. Don't hold your breath, I passed out and hit my head, woke up and noticed the snail was back to being predatory AF.

[@bradenhagen7977]

Or FM2

[@mujexzilla]

Keep in mind what you saw in this video is gameplay from a very good player AND more importantly an aced crew. So yes, Gaijin does hate the Abrams and anyone stupid enough to play them.

[@arilavanderboom4990]

Nah abrams gameplay is more to a rusher its fast af and have obvious weakspot (the turret neck) so you have to be fast flanking and wiggle

[@delta_onex-ray205]

What do you expect, they are a Russian developer

[@HammerJammer81]

@@delta_onex-ray205 THIS. I mean if we dont see Russian vehicles losing their turrets to single HE shots from ANYTHING you know its whack.

[@Mjstas]

How is it gajin’s fault that when they drained the Abram’s they made the turret ring a big weak spot?

[@SaneIndividual]

@@Mjstas A big problem with it in my opinion is the fact they refuse to give them a modern sabot round that is specifically made to beat ERA, the us army is already on M829A4 but the game still only gives abrams players M829A2, if I die with the abrams well yeah its my fault I probs was too greedy and pushed out, maybe I peeked too soon, etc. But when I shoot a T-80 on the hull or turret but it no pens? I have to hit the lower hull or the driver seat?. Dude the abrams and that round is designed to pop those things in 1 shot.

[@adambrock7428]

66 tons yet irl, the house hold is heavier. The abrams is too because it has more armor irl but gaijan refuses to acknowledge it

[@dudeyeah665]

That turret bounce at 4:09 was honestly INSANE, I've tried to angle other vehicles like that to deflect shots and obviously none of them are as fast as the Abrams but I know that getting the timing right to predict when they'll shoot is hard af and you made it look clean.

[@Creepus_Explodus]

But that didn't bounce, it went right through and killed his loader

[@Warfrat231]

It didn't bounce tho, you can see the loader die and the engine take damage lol

[@cyberarchitect9280]

That T-50 made me laugh so much...oh main the way he stormed in and you killed him in the air was just way comedic. Good to see you back

[@BladezAndrew]

every time i look at WT Data Project i just keep seeing the 30% winrate America has and how it's been that way for YEARS, and Russia still over 65% despite literally getting less kills per game than America and it just reminds me how the Russian FSB psyop game literally has the games fixed so that Germany and Sweden are on Russia's team more times than on America's team and then how they artificially nerf literally everything America has. They refuse to model internal spall liners for Abrams despite anti radiation liners literally coded like a internal spall liner for Russian tanks even prior to when spall liners were in the game, same thing with internally modeled carousel, Russian/Chinese fuel tanks being the only ones that don't have armored plates around it and entirely dont spall, etc. they refuse to make A2 Abrams UFP 50mm despite it being that way irl, they refuse to up armor turret ring, model turret basket, refuse to upgrade hull armor, refuse to make ARAT 2 protect against tandem warheads despite LITERALLY being tandem ERA on top of layers of ARAT 1, refuse to give Trophy APS, give anything later than SEPv2 or literally give anything to help them. There's no light tanks besides HSTVL and Stryker, there's no AA with anti tank capabilities, still no AA to fix gap from 4.0 to 7.7, the LAVAD's rockets still haven't been fixed and are insanely off when you switch to them and use rangefinder. All AA and autocannon rounds for America have been nerfed or removed, and like i just dont understand how for Russia every single tank can get technology 20-30 years newer than what it should have, made up armor and guns... T-90A should have proryv-1 turret, 2A46M-2, and AZ autoloader all incapable of fitting, firing, etc 3BM60, gets it anyway T-72B3 same as T-90A only the T-72B3M gets 2A46M-5, so this also shouldn't get 3BM60 2S25M didn't even enter service when added, 2A75 cannot fire 3BM60 T-80BVM in game is a T-80B brought up to BVM standard, per stat card saying 2A46M-1 it shouldn't be able to fire 3BM60 2S38, there's so much wrong with this but biggest one is that 3UO8 is NOT a proxy round irl, IRST should give LWR since laser is what gives heading how the fuck are we modeling tanks and armor for classified T-90M, classified 2S38, classified this classified that, purely making up shit as we go but then when it comes to America.... oh my god.... M1 Abrams can't get M833 because it came out 2 years after first production Abrams (ignoring it didn't first see combat until 90's, T-55A also gets access to 3BM25 a 1980s round despite being from 50s) remove everything not accurate oh my god we need actual historical documentation it has to be 100% fully accurate and only officially declassified documents oh my god we can't upgrade hull armor because only 5 prototypes had them (despite T-80B getting thermals because of 1 or 2 prototypes having them) while every single Russian tank can sit on overperforming EVERYTHING with NOTHING being historically accurate, like i really don't understand how anyone with half a brain can look at the stats, look at the winrates, look at the state of the game and NOT think to themselves that there's clearly an anti American bias, what other reason could you possibly come up with that would justify literally HALF the winrate despite more kills per game than Russia? Them adding 10 T-80s 10 Su25's before a SINGLE VEHICLE that could fill the AA gap of 4.0 to 7.7 for America

[@audricmerryman8107]

Keep cooking with facts

[@pilotmanpaul]

​@@audricmerryman8107These aren't really good facts as their all cherrypicked. Spookston and RedEffect who has actual contacts witb US tankers had said the M1A2Sepv2 and 3 has no Spall Liners of any sort. As their already way to heavy as it is and the army does not want it to gain a handful extra tons. The TUSK on it aren't even meant for APFSDS but RPGs. The T-90M in the game is the Obr 2016-2023. Captured ones in Ukraine has it with 3BM60s.

[@charlesmayer2047]

​@@pilotmanpaul The spall liners are most likely integrated in the armor layout on the interior, but it's classified so even tankers might not know or be able to disclose it. It just wouldn't make sense to have a tank with that much protection but no mitigation of shrapnel. Oh but the crew does have ballistic protection IRL which it doesn't have in game. Also he was talking about the T90A.

[@charlesmayer2047]

@BladezAndrew Has the issue of the 2A46M-2 cannon been brought up in forums? If so how did gaijin react to the fact that it physically can't fire the 3BM60?

[@BladezAndrew]

@@pilotmanpaul The Abrams 100% has multiple Kevlar layers and UHMWPE layers, NBC protection which Gaijin has already modeled “anti radiation material” but only in Russian vehicles which doesn’t generate the smallest fragments of spall, and Abrams crew even wear body armor. It’d be obvious to anyone that it shouldn’t be spalling anywhere near as much as it does

[@MrSqueasil]

and why wouldnt you cherry pick games? isnt that the point of presenting something in a professional video format? to put the best footage forward? dont let the haters get you Odd. We are here for you regardless of content brother. Keep up the good work.

[@IvanIvanovv]

Probably to show the state the game is in at top tier if i had to guess, no sugar coating it

[@misterperson3469]

It can be misrepresentative of skill and how games go etc but not so much when youre including like half the games. Most people writing about it just seem to want an excuse as to why they cant play as well as CCs

[@kittycatcat6962]

Dollarplays shows his bad games and it makes the format so much better ​@@misterperson3469

[@rickyspanish1590]

Yeah let's be honest, it's not a great strategy from a channel growth perspective to focus on uploading average or shitty matches in a competitive game. Nobody really wants to watch those even if they think they do.

[@user-gv4zb9rc6u]

"We are here for you regardless of content brother." Well, then I suppose you'll be on board for him showing off an actual average experience and not just the best games that one can have- to give an actual showing of what the game is like and not just what it CAN be like. Would you like to see a company boasting about having a product that can do X, Y, or Z only to find out that's in 1% of cases and usually that product is worthless? I sure wouldn't like that.

[@serge8008]

That random t-50 on 19:27 💀

[@DasZaku]

he was having the time of his life, and then pow right in the belly armor

[@MrSqueasil]

if you use the gunner sights in the abrams you can see over cover with it. the sight sits top right of the gun on the turret.

[@ronaldmcreagann6343]

Y’know what else can do that? Third person view. CITV. Binos

[@MrSqueasil]

@ronaldmcreagann6343 yea, but you can use the thermals of the gun sight and not have to switch cameras, just driver up, shoot, driver back. All without changing cameras and never losing sight of target. Try it but becareful of height over bore with the sight.

[@ronaldmcreagann6343]

@@MrSqueasil that’s exactly why I don’t do that. I just use binos or peek a bit. Not much more dangerous depending on the tank.

[@MrSqueasil]

@ronaldmcreagann6343 yea. I just got used to it and I noticed I rarely over peak and expose that massive turret ring. Just works well with the way I play.

[@thegamingveteran112]

I’m so glad odd is back

[@ExcavationNation]

Hey Jamie, feels good having you back again brother. ❤️

[@GTErnst]

Happy to see you back odd! We missed you. I was running out of low BR CAS content and my hopes are back to see more! Hope all is well

[@theyoinkster8064]

Hi Odd! Glad to have you back. I know the upper tiers aren't really your thing, but I think you'd enjoy making a video on the the M60A1 (AOS). It's a very good tank for the BR.

[@19421986lonewolf]

I'm so glad you're back Bawz. You and Spookston are my favorite WT channels.

[@Bhoff1996]

also the abrams is probably 3x louder than its russian gas turbine counterparts in game

[@Bibodoi]

it's engine now is a bit quieter than the Leopard's, T-90, T-72. similar levels to the T-80. They fixed it a while ago.

[@WyattChilson]

IK which is completely wrong IRL at a distance the abrams sounds like a diesel engine their are plenty of videos with high quality sound that shows how low of a sound the abrams makes the only time you hear a turbine is when your inside the tank or its not moving thats the only way to tell if its a diesel or a turbine engine Gaijin just hates the USA

[@Kompany54]

@@WyattChilson afaik, the abrams in reality is only loud if you stand behind it and its engine

[@Jake-dh9qk]

@@Bibodoi Measuring it based on purely loudness is not accurate representation. The abram engine has a distinct sharp hum to it that can be easily spotted compared to other tanks. Russian engines on the other hand have an engine sound that easily blends in with surrounding sounds so making it harder to detect. I main french and there were many times T-80 tanks could sneak right behind me without me even knowing

[@WyattChilson]

@@Kompany54 Best look up a video

[@f2dropz31]

It’s nice to see you back

[@clivedoe9674]

The first shot matters a lot in top tier. The abrams isnt going to bounce many shots, and the gun isn't going to pen most snapshots. You HAVE to aim using the Abrams, and your opponents don't have to be nearly as accurate to cripple you.

[@datcheesecakeboi6745]

uh... aiming for the lfp isnt that hard...

[@clivedoe9674]

@@datcheesecakeboi6745 just putting your cursor on the center of whatever just popped out in front of you is even easier

[@datcheesecakeboi6745]

@@clivedoe9674 you cant do that with any tank including the abrams unless you have dm53

[@clivedoe9674]

@@datcheesecakeboi6745 most tanks at top tier CAN do that to the Abrams. That was my point.

[@datcheesecakeboi6745]

@@clivedoe9674 no they can't unless they have dm53 And even with dm53 centre mass on an abrams won't reliably kill it The leopard and strv are the only 2 tanks that won't be damaged if you shoot there

[@Staravora]

The more I see top tier footage, the more I'm satisfied with the Cold War era vehicles

[@whiteking4895]

The SHOT AT 19:25 WAS CRAZY, Clean ass shot...

[@Lintahlo]

Poor T-50 😂

[@elzorro7of9]

Should count as an SPA kill lol

[@Rosaslav]

It was so funny, how he shot him in the air:)

[@ReLax-ru2pk]

I hate when people get upset of like content makers picking which clips they want to use. Like you guys play all day of course there are going to be highlights that don’t make it, or crashes that no one wants to see, keep up the content

[@Alex-sl4jt]

RAHHHH THE BEST KZbinR IS BACK AGAIN 🎉🎉🎉

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

The ammo amount changing mid reload multiple times to gaslight you is peak War Thunder x OddB

[@saifhazem7164]

People thinking the Abrams is bad when Italy's Ariete has been struggling for years and nerfed to the ground

[@EEManJ]

I think comparing the main us battle tank to the Italian one and their performance is a little bit different...

[@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_]

​@@EEManJNah, both bad

[@n0sc0p3dpwnd9]

It’s not a competition about who suffers the most, the problem with the Abrams is that it’s probably the most incorrectly modeled tank at top tier. Underperforming more than it should. The arietes, leclercs, etc are far worse of course. Though in real life they are not much better. The solution for minor nation tanks is to have their br dropped, gaijin needs to get off their ass and use the br system correctly, it’s a joke that the ariete is at the same br as the t80bvm and etc. The Abrams on the other hand just needs its many problems fixed, incorrect era protection, missing armor, busted turret ring, and non functional trap shot apfsds shell shattering.

[@youraverageamerican1315]

oh my god who would've guessed that youtubers pick the most fun content to post onto their channels!?

[@thexlonewolf671]

0:17 Did I just hear Odd taking shots at us yankees?

[@martinvannostrand1]

it's good to have you back Chief. I had forgotten how much I enjoy your vids.

[@Hawkeye6941]

The problem with usa Abrams is compare to other tank it on either mid or below. First is you can hear the Abrams from across the map, second the turret ring shot sucks, the armor in the hull sucks, 3bm42 can pen a modern Abrams which i find hard to believe. Overalls you are better off in almost any leopard 2's especially Sweden leopards 2's.( Got top tier for France and have a better time in it, then in the US.)

[@tokyo2032]

Hopefully Gaijin will add the V3 to make US players happy. Though I will say it would add some interesting mechanics. The v3 not only has MORE armor, but also adds the Trophy APS. It also adds an APU to allow for turret rotation with the engine off. No more slow turret turns with no engine. It would also be interesting to see Odd handling the v3 with its Smart Munitions. Having a smart round that actively seeks out targets? Good bye KA50s.

[@raizencore]

For me, the biggest issue with US top tier is the teammates you get, US right now has the worst winrate in WT and it's easy to see why. I miss playing my SEP Abrams because they are great tanks but I'm not ready to dive into US top tier and suffer because games can get really rough, 9 out of 10 games will be a defeat unless you play in squads but generally I would not recommend getting into it.

[@peosio96]

I personally blame the Clicktards that dragged all of top tier US down with it.

[@OtisD]

Good players stoped playing US cuz abrams sucks, adats sucks, ah64d sucks, the only good thing going for US is F16, but it cant do anything when its forced to avoid S1, Grippens, Mig29s and Su27s. Also if you have to play sniper role with abrams you are better of with leos ans strvs.

[@arcroyal1258]

They can't fix US skill issue

[@raizencore]

@@OtisD it's the players that make US top tier garbage, it's not the Abrams, the Adats or the Apache, these are all good vehicles.

[@ricardoricardoricardoricardo]

​@@OtisDthats the mindset of a quitter, no wonder the WR is low.

[@Hunter_i86]

Abrams is nice, map rotation is bad. Glad you are back king. 🙌

[@1DOGNATE]

The games maps not build for modern tanks, and urban warfare isn’t fun

[@Rosaslav]

The amount of beating you took and survived in some of those games is surprising honestly. It probably doesn’t have a good armor, but it sure seems survivable. Something you can’t really say about Sherman:)

[@Armoredcompany]

I'm waiting for the T-80 side-armor bag update where they take the actual ERA out and just fill them with egg cartons...like in real life

[@audricmerryman8107]

Facts, same with the turrent and the frontal hull. Also give it the correct armor that a t64 can pen the upper front plate.

[@stintakles2596]

Bro thinks soviet bias is a top 1 nation in wt Meanwhile Leopards and Strv just beating shit out of everyone, but yeah Abrams got nerfed and now its shitty tank, at least m1a2 sep v1 playable, because its not so heavy if you look at sep v2

[@zeitgeistx5239]

It’s called Russian bias. They accept Russian propaganda as fact on the “soft era” even though in Ukraine the captured ones have been shown to be sand bags with orange plastic plates to hold shape. But KA-52 gets 2010 era ATGM but Apache gets 1990s ATGM because MMW hellfire would be “too op” as it is not affected by smoke. Russian top tier is uncompetitive so they then reduced spalling on all Russian top tier MBT and some Chinese ones too.

[@mofal_bluk9472]

Bro that is literally not even true. They are spacers to keep the bag firm. Please educate yourself instead of parroting debunked bullshit myths. Are you gonna mention "autoloaders chopping off arms" next?

[@mofal_bluk9472]

​@@audricmerryman8107ok, but then give 3bm60 the higher penetration that it deserves too. Gaijin decreased the Armor Penetration of most top tier apfsds to make the game playable. Otherwise we would all just have the Object292 gameplay on steroids where everyone can point and click without aiming for weakspots with most tanks.

[@Mountainlake1]

Just remember the us military made kit to add an aps. They could have made it actually different and not just fat.

[@Fulcrum909]

Gaijen nerfing the Abrams and refuseing to make it better, gaijen "we buffed the abrams"

[@arcroyal1258]

5 second reload... Skill issue??

[@avoxyisbetterthanyou]

@@arcroyal1258real skill issue honestly great tank

[@dumbo21]

Abrams: incredibly survivable and a very good MBT Gaijin: "kill it immediately and make it horrible it sucks I'm gonna remove what makes it has IRL that makes it good and then buff Russian and Chinese tanks with so much shit that they don't have irl

[@zack10291029]

@@avoxyisbetterthanyouyoure high as fuck if you think it's even close to the t-90m, t-80bvm, strv122(any of the 3), or 2a6, or 2a7v. It's one of the worst top tier MBT's. Playing the strv122b+ vs the m1a2 is night and day

[@yeethappymeta]

@@dumbo21 none of the top tier mbts have ever seen true Peer-on-peer combat, so everything at top tier is completely fictional

[@Frost_x_NB]

Abram’s are so sad. The SEPv2 desperately need M829A3. A2 doesn’t like to spall or even pen certain spots it most definitely should.

[@Optimusprime56241]

M829A2 on its way to despawn the instant it hits the side era of a Russian tank:

[@TrepidDestiny]

The firepower of the Abrams in game isn't the problem though. It's the giant weak spots and the insane amount of shrapnel pens against it generate. Seriously, look at the protection analysis in the armor tab. Any pen is like being hit with APHE.

[@Optimusprime56241]

@@TrepidDestiny everytime you get shot in the Abrams there’s a 99% chance your turret ring will get disabled xD

[@Gilbrae]

19:27 Awesome Duck Hunt patch for War Thunder !

[@Leopolligon]

Hey odd, can you please play the strf 9040 bill? Its missiles are getting nerfed hard next update and i would like to see how you do with it in its current state

[@canned__meat]

The frequency that I get seversk, abandoned factory etc (tiny, reserve tier maps) at around 11.0 is infuriating. Map pref settings seem to mean nothing. Welcome back Odd. Great video.

[@somebody5368]

no way, Russian company makes American tank bad?

[@Fuzeha]

It's not 2018 anymore bro

[@just_SHADOW789]

love how can i hear in your voice how much u don’t like abrams, not supprised

[@the_ursus]

I personally think that Russia top tier is just not balanced and that’s why everyone thinks that their top vehicles are just so bad.

[@SirHuddy]

Bad? Russian top tier is insanely strong lmao 🤣

[@rickyspanish1590]

There's nothing special about Russian top tier tanks. No gun depression, terrible mobility, below average gun handling. It's the complete package of having strong anti-air in the Pantsir and great helicopter options that make them a good but not great top-tier nation.

[@edwinortiz4421]

I feel like you smoking something. BVM, B3, T90M. All have equal acceleration to all abrams. Shit even when I play vs them while using the HSTVL I still sometimes get beat to points by USSR vehicles. A 83km/h vehicle that weights maybe 20tons gets beat. So yeah mobility is up there and they are reliably stable and have good gun handling. They are way more survivable than Abrams by a long shot. The only thing abrams beat them is in the RAW pen for their main APFSDS and the reload which doesn’t even matter when the first shot matter since you either kill or get killed/crit where you have to repair or die cuz rushed. Not to mention as the other guy said great SPAA, helicopters, and the new SM3 with its KH38s. The only real counter to that it within the same nation. 1 kill 1 cap 1 assist and you can spawn something that guarantees you 4 kills from 12km or more far away from ADATS max long range not to mention that ADATS can’t intercept because it doesn’t have a tracking radar. So unless you are teamed up with Germany/ Italy/ France you don’t have ways to counter Russian jets

[@the_ursus]

@@edwinortiz4421 you are saying it man!

[@francoarca2122]

Russian mbts are on par with the americans, what makes them strong is their helis and the spaa. Since the vikhr nerf it became much more balanced, i recommend you to check its winrate on the last months.

[@Daronvines]

You forgot to mention the real life reload of under 6 seconds (that’s just to pass as a reloaded in the tank crew) most are around 4-5 and some are even faster at around 3.

[@IceMarsoc77]

haaayaaaa if only Gaijin would fix that massive gap that the Abrams in game was given. It not even that big in real life, do a side by side photo comparison and the real life version has smaller gap in front than one in game by 3-5 inches.

[@kiwikat1854]

I think it’s cause they simply couldn’t be bothered tbh it’s a well reported issue. Biased moderation in the forums also.

[@SirHuddy]

EXACTLY YOU CAN COMPARE PICTURES SIDE BY SIDE! and you can tell that the turret in game is like 3+ inches higher up then it should be… Just makes the turret ring even a bigger weak spot in game so dumb

[@collinfrye9555]

Considering they added that gap on purpose after adding the Abrams to make them easier to knock out I doubt they will ever fix it.

[@Bandit0313]

What’s odd is that I haven’t seen anyone talk about the Abrams in a while now. I guess maybe it isn’t odd and more of just that everyone gave up on it, because Gaijin refuses to listen to anyone and evidence shown about it. They’d rather keep it as a piece of paper .

[@bananakin2.070]

bro, people that cries about content creator cherry picking game for their videos is probably the same people who think that if an actor dies in a movie they dies in real life.

[@unoriginalplays120]

The problem is not in the abrams itself. Its still a very capable tank. The problem is the addition of spall liners. Something like a 2a7/122 is much easier to play because you can just get shot in the side and still get to shoot back. I have top tier US, Germany, Russia, France and Sweden and I have to say the 122s are just so hard to counter when you meet a swarm of them. Funnily enough t80bvms isnt as hard to deal with. They never shouldve added spall liners.

[@rickyspanish1590]

Pretty insane they added spall liners before properly addressing the other glaring armor model issues with their top tier tanks.

[@MrSqueasil]

gaijen doesnt believe the stats Americans say what the tank can do. But russian shit always works lol. when in real life its the exact opposite lol.

[@commanderdon4300]

Exactly this! It always bugs me that it's common knowledge in every tank discussion that the Russian APFSDS is much worse than the western ones because of the auto loader in the T- 72/80/90, it can't fit the modern rounds because they are too long for it. Yet the Russian rounds are fine and penetrate the toughest armour on the Abrams/Challenger/Leopard strongest plates at range. And the Russian tanks bounce these newer ultra modern APFSDS rounds that were specifically designed to defeat anything in the Russian fleet. Look i get balance but this is beyond a joke.

[@arcroyal1258]

You believe that bud

[@WoobooRidesAgain]

@@commanderdon4300 You dare to question the honesty of a company founded by Russians, hosted in a Russia-friendly country, marketed heavily towards Russians that uses the 100% truthful and honest vehicle stats put out by the Russian MoD, which has never, ever, ever lied about their capabiltiies, ever, who would probably cut off all access to their vehicles if Gaijin even considered violating the totally justified military "truth" laws that state the totally real fact that Russia is the best at everything ever? I am shocked, sir. Shocked and appalled.

[@Mjstas]

Maybe because most of the stuff for the Abram’s is classified?

[@commanderdon4300]

@@WoobooRidesAgain Yeah ok i lol'd

[@patrickpaschal6183]

The intro was really good. I'm american and honestly that was really funny thanks for the laugh man

[@tonym2513]

This is the only universe where anything Russian and military is better than anything American. Let them have the dub.

[@gordonedgar9120]

Welcome back 😶 We have been waiting... *Edit: That T-50 kill was epic. The driver should be proud. Sniped in mid-air by the Bawz

[@Jay-Niner]

T-80s easily outmatching an Abrams in game; meanwhile IRL a T-80 detonates at the mere sight of a jerry rigged FPV drone.

[@weasle2904]

Absolutely absurd. Russians APFSDS aren't even long enough to be comparable to western rounds and armor. Length determines 90% of the performance of these rounds, and the Abrams has substantially better rounds available. Without FPV drones, ATGM saturation, and modern day advanced artillery, all of which can dispose of ANY type of tank, Ukrainian Abrams would be dispatching T-80 and T-72/T-90 by the dozens.

[@georgy1858]

@@weasle2904 So basically without things that EVERY army in the world has (minus the fpv drones). Cool story bro.

[@weasle2904]

@@georgy1858 Warfare has changed. Doesn't meant the Abrams is bad lol. The Abrams protects it's crew FAR better than any of the Russian tanks currently employed, and that instantly makes it better

[@georgy1858]

​@@weasle2904 Where did I say Abrams was a bad tank? I simply refuted your silly and blatantly cope argument about ‘ah, if only they didn't have (insert type of weapon that burned the abrams), we'd be at the gates of Moscow’. Tanks rarely meet each other in combat nowadays, as most are destroyed by aircraft, artillery, drones, and atgms. You can circlejerk the abrams and 'superiour western tank school' all you want. It doesn't change the fact that all their advantages over t series tanks are practically nullified by the existence of other types of weaponry you have mentioned.

[@weasle2904]

@@georgy1858 It's not nullified. if that was the case then tanks wouldn't be used at all.

[@abitofapickle6255]

Heeeey it's my tank! Our V2's had the old school exposed .50 and then later the low profile Crows II.

[@CarmineKar98K]

You guy's complaining that he cherry picks matches like dudes, Would you rather be entertained and watch some good fun gameplay or watch someone die alot and get frustrated at the fact? He's a youtuber that brings entertainment not death simulator gameplay watching some guy drive until he dies. has to be the dumbest thing, you want to watch fail compilations of people dying there's other channel's that got you covered but this ain't it.

[@holfgangwuber7982]

Thank you, It seems I am not the only one who thinks that

[@lordssniper6499]

also it isint like odd dies alot, odd and spookston literialy both say that they play anything from 3 to 5 games and usualy they both have 3 to 4 matches in their video's so they barely cherry pick because they are so good that they dont have too.

[@blademaster2390]

Fun fact: the M1A2 SEPv2 is the most modern Abrams model in-game. Its so modern, in fact, that the M1A2 SEPv3, the Trophy-equipped upgrade for it, isn’t even in full production yet.

[@MartinKolář-e9j]

"GAIJIN HATES THE ABRAMS" I don't play top tier, but as for M1 BR: 10.3, I'm very happy with Abrams.

[@sixthgreeny1880]

Yeah cus that's the best one silly

[@pilotmanpaul]

I actually find the Abrams to be a pretty neat tank overall. Its Mobility really gives you an edge over mistakes. I unlocked the Squadron M1A1 AIM and in my third match, I nearly got a nuke if it weren't from my ass sweating like I'm in a desert.

[@BongicusMaximus]

USA gets the shitty end of the stick by Gaijin. No Russian bias at all....

[@stintakles2596]

Russia might be a strong, but german and Swedish is OP 5x times than Russian bias

[@reinyfrost3753]

@@stintakles2596 Germany is strong only because of the Leopards. Russia has almost everything else that is better. Sweden gets Germany's Leopards, but also gets much better SPAA, and aircraft (not helis though) than them. Russia's CAS and SPAA are one of the best, although Gripen is also really good.

[@killerbees2307]

@@stintakles2596 Nah bro most Swedish players veterans at the games, hence they just better at playing.

[@Thiccron]

Damn i thought bawz had left us, welcome back daddy!

[@NkGold231]

The main problem witht he abrams is that it cant kill anything but everything else can oneshot it. I cant peirce the front of any tank exept for the tiny weak spots but they all can go through everything on the front of the abrams execpt for the turret cheeks (but ive been shot through there before).

[@jordisthegreat4987]

I have been one shoted in the turret so many times that I have lost count, even a TAM 2ip did it once😢

[@ISt0leYaCheese]

Best ammo? And even then. U kill them the same way with any after tank?.

[@datcheesecakeboi6745]

the abrams has the 2nd best round in the game genius

[@NkGold231]

@@datcheesecakeboi6745 i know it does but go into the protection analysis in game, see what the abram with it againt other tanks (mainly the leapords and t80/t90) vs what the other tanks rounds can to to the abrams. That high pen stat means nothing when the armor it shoot at is better.

[@datcheesecakeboi6745]

@@NkGold231 sorry that you suck bro, now see what its like agaisnt type10, type90, challenger, arieta, merkava.. ect..

[@Zesmas]

Love how the Abrams has no survivability when its practically the only MBT thats made Purely with Survivability in mind.

[@DDOD25]

Defintely has nothing to do with russians losing their T-90s at the rate of 8000:1 when compared to Abrams in the actual reality of batllefield. No no. That can't be the reason.

[@dumbo21]

T-90: gets hit, blows up, kills crew and nearby allies Abrams: gets hit, crew gets out fine, tank gets towed back, fixed, and sent back to the front

[@FishFlys]

the odd and friends vids are my fav but this is also epic

[@andrewbooth6447]

My mum's car

[@ket451]

Vroom vroom

[@tigergames8758]

19:26 this shot was cool dude

[@tste6759]

Russians making the Abrams look bad in their own game why would they do that lol. All the while they're piece of crap T80 works with perfection.

[@matsbacklund6471]

If people think this one is bad with no armor in the front hull. Try out the merkava lineup. If someone even makes a hint they're going to look at you, you blow up. Every time being hit through the engine or over the engine instantly killing all crewmembers. If you sit in the 4M and meet an ATGM you will be alright for a few shots, though. Balance. Not even sure the turret armor is usefull

[@Sawaame]

odd i got my first nuke an hour ago are you proud of me 🥺

[@peergynt6515]

Me too yesterday. Spammed everything on the keyboard and somehow the bomb doors opened yay. No idea how to fly a plane.

[@KALEBP75]

Good to see ya back!

[@redlegpainting4022]

I hate how Russian top tier everything is made of Stalinium and all physics and real world encounters go straight out the window. Russian bias is why I don’t play top tier.

[@gravitatemortuus1080]

Its killing me dropped down to like 35%-win rate at tier 10.0 USA tanks. Sometimes the rounds penetrate next battle same spot and nothing. I rarely have that issue on non-Russian tanks. Not ghost rounds failure to pen.

[@Formyla1_]

6.7 USA bias. Gaijins is from Russian. Here's reason. Irl m3a3 can ez kill t-90m

[@Military5567-YT]

People forget that the Abrams isn’t a Brawler, in fact it’s far from it, it can brawl, but it’s not as effective as the Leopard 2’s or T-80 tanks. But it’s best on defense. Hull down is your best friend. Learned that in the horrendous tank known as the Challenger 2.

[@JasonParker_114]

This is why I hate playing top tier, in real life Russian tanks are absolute shit and in a Russian video game they are god mode.

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

Russian tanks aren’t even good rn, the Meta has been Leopards for half a year now…

[@Rosemary_Wa12]

Fr like the T-80 is literally a upgraded T-64, just slaps some ERAs, add a new machine gun and add night vision to it and boom a “new” tank

[@afrosworld1796]

the fact that the m1a1 aim has gen 2 thermals and 13x zoom at 11.3 and the m1a2 which is the same tank with a commanders sight but has gen 1 thermals and 10x zoom say a lot about this tank.

[@IbouFall-tf4vp]

Hi Bawz :) Happy ur back!

[@SkunkdMonk]

1) I was In 1-35 armor when it was in Baumholder Germany! 2) There's so many things that make the Abrams a great tank that don't translate to the game, the weight of these things is still added though. 3) Even if all of the things people want to be put on the Abrams, were, it wouldn't be a better WT tank unfortunately. The weak spots, irl, don't hinder it that much due to how things work in the real world.

[@ralffsmith2655]

Love your videos, although honestly, i enjoy lower br games. High br is far to stressful for me 😆

[@the7starfighters]

at 6:57 the commander can identify the tank so make sure to listen to callouts i have been able to kill a t-44 with that callout since it was hiding in a bush and I thought it was a t-34-85

[@boegscom]

After several years of playing I am still enjoying the game because I don’t play above 7.7 (unless a full up-tier). Just watching Odd and other CEs playing makes me glad I don’t!

[@mamawau]

Its nice to see you back! :)

[@That-0ne-Guy]

The main issue for me is that the Abrams has very reliable weak spots that you will always be able to cut right through. Other tanks, namely t72/80/90 will walk away a full on side shot with no damage from said Abrams

[@Zw33dDreamZ]

O_o and oddBawz video? WAS IST DAS sorcery?!?! Missed you dude!

[@mysteriesaboutlife4986]

about the brawling that one was on the requirements for the Merkava MBT

[@cloroxbleach7684]

Yay Oddbawz is back. It’s Bawzing time

[@paulwollenzein-zn1lh]

I would like to see the US military adopt a recon tankette like the German weasel. Plus a light tank with the 120 MM main gun. Like the chinese tank destroyer, light weight armor but they use the 125 MM main gun. This is just the WW2 US tank destroyer way of moving around the anti tank guns in real life. The towed versions were just ineffective because they were very slow to load up and move to the next position(s). But the self propelled guns were actually pretty good for that. Where the WW2 tank destroyers had their problems was with the command personnel. They thought of them as regular tanks. You know, with lots of armor!

[@paulwollenzein-zn1lh]

I do know about the M10 Booker. But I haven't heard anything about its performance in the real world. Plus it was decided to put the 105 MM back into a US tracked fighting vehicle. This gun system is really good, but incapable of full frontal armor penetration for modern MBT's.

[@HekateMGO]

The snail on that Rissian/Soviet bias coke

[@a..c..2469]

It's got to the point where this tanks gets killed with 50 cals😂 no shit they're so easy to kill but you are a warrior for using this tank 💪

[@gattonero2915]

I've often time made a remark on the kind of module present in the game is intended for a threat that's not even present ingame lol In this case, the SEPV2 has two odd feature against a nonexistent threat ingame >the two layer ARAT ERA blocks are only good against both RPGs and Kinetic-penetrator IED >the large antenna-looking thing at the turret basket (not the radio antenna one) is a phone signal jammer which is used to jam phone signal that's often time used to detonate roadside IDEs

[@PantsofVance]

You didn't have to burn us 'Muricans so bad in the intro 🤣

[@classicmac8986]

skill issue if u play realistic with US tho, in arcade they perform perfectly fine :)