Gambling is keeping the Dota scene alive - We Say Things 217

[@Youmu_Konpaku_]

"I'm ready"

[@xunjin8897]

I'm ready

[@LraK1728]

I'm ready

[@typhoon00k]

I am indeed ready

[@rhyzhyn]

0:00 yeh synd you are ready.

[@TheNiebling]

I low key love that intro as much as when SynderN wispers subscribe in the end :)

[@xunjin8897]

I'm ready

[@akj3344]

Sunsfan I love your room's asthetic. Thank you for 1 decade + of dota content. I remember watching hero spotlights.

[@Tons840]

Bro hero spotlights were the basics for me and all hero challenge

[@centy64]

"Get high, shave your balls, then bet on some slots" - SUNSfan 2023

[@JP-iq5pg]

i actually heard "hit on some sl(u)ts" lmao

[@larcohex]

I'M READY

[@GeorgianMihailo]

I think that people and specially streamers don't realize how wrong gambling is and how they influence people and the addiction it creates. And we are not talking about small streamers here, we are talking about streamers which already have more money then they need. Gambling kills people, it destroys families. I think it should be regulated just like it was done with smoking...

[@kn0bhe4d]

26:15 Yes, you can now simultaneously stream on twitch and youtube.

[@oyuyuy]

So what is the upside of gambling exactly? It's hardly a social thing, you'd be called out as a complete degenerate if you said 'I don't enjoy watching sports with friends unless I bet on it'. And whatever thrill you get from winning doesn't come close to outweighing the misery of losing. I'd frankly say that even tobacco has more upside than gambling does, just for the 'relaxing effect' or whatever, and that's a hilariously low bar to set. 95% of people betting will lose in the long run, and the 5% who win will have to wriggle their way through withdrawal disputes and TOSs, while juggling countless accounts to not get shut down by bookies. I was among those 5% for several years (mostly poker, some betting) and while my bank account was fine by the end of it, I certainly wouldn't consider myself a 'winner'. All I had to show for it was isolation and a 4 year unexplainable gap in my CV that will haunt my career for the rest of my life.

[@asda3431vf]

Gambling has no upside. Also I like your take on Poker. I played poker pretty seriously for several years, and its really only a game of skill for 1% of people. It requires complete devotion and years of obsession, and one bad beat can still ruin you.

[@oyuyuy]

@@asda3431vf Yeah I put a ton of time into it, 8h+/day the first year and not much less in the years following. I made a somewhat decent living off it but I still consider it a massive mistake. Lost years.

[@moleman7632]

One thing that needs to be discussed is that alot of the gambling advertising is being consumed by children or teens who have very little concept of the risk/reward evaluation of gambling or the addiction risk thereof. A lot of the more dubious gambling sites don't have very good age verification or have easily bypassed age verification. There are also plenty of places where the online gambling is unregulated or risky and the people who put real money into these sites have no guarantee on ever getting their winnings.

[@Jul15227]

That is an issue across the board unfortunately, impossible to regulate perfectly. Alcohol, porn, drugs etc. I think this ultimately comes down to parental guidance when it comes to minors.

[@Gdg195]

nah they are stupid when i was a child i knew gambling is a fraud and stupid thing to do, blame their parents and themself its natural selection the stupid one is the one wont survive

[@danialsyazwansuhaili2435]

Synd is ready!

[@goink3368]

You guys should watch “Line goes up” by Folding Ideas if you’re still positive about crypto

[@DemNiciSeinYT]

I also was at the frankfurt majors and those were definitely the best esports events I have been to. The arena was amazing, crowd was super hyped and the games were great. I vividly remember the final game in 2015, were kuro played techies and the whole stadium just going nuts the whole game (especially at the "ITS A TRAP" moment). Would be amazing to have a major at that location again.

[@snyperheadshoot]

Loot boxes should also be banned, if we're taking the stance that gambling is bad, the people that watch gaming are more impressionable to loot boxes compared to slots.

[@schneelzare]

cant wait for the nba segment next ep

[@fatstacksmax]

The sick of gambling thing is not just in dota, I'm sick of hearing it on the radio, on the NHL, on the jerseys, on the streams it's all trash. People are always gonna gamble that's their decision but I don't want to see it, I don't want my kids to have it be normalized. Gambling takes money from the playerbase and skims off the top. I don't blame people for taking the money but it's gross to see how quickly the advertisements have saturated so many different entertainment industries

[@Stoplightcircus]

Now sponsored by: manscaped, weed, and North Korea

[@Vranir]

I'm generally pretty against gambling, but at least in Artours particular case I think its important to look back at xQc's deal earlier this year(?) where he's essentially a gambling addict being paid by his bookie to advertise their gambling products because the bookie knows a lot of the money they pay him will be paid back to them in lost bets just from him, not including however many viewers also fall into the hole When I think about it like this I look at most of the other deals and wonder how many of them are similar situations, Gambling being predatory by nature makes it easy for me to believe that xQc is not the only person offered a contract who has a gambling addiction

[@ravirs1187]

i am ready - syndren

[@j0nasbs]

3 different gaming/ttrpg kickstarters on the same week, maybe is not such a bad time? Hopefully there's a Barbenheimer effect.

[@Cecekcz]

Kind of an odd-ball but I think a cool segment would be Synderen explaining handball to SUNSfan. :D

[@Mirrale]

I’m on vacation in august. I ain’t sitting around watching Dota.

[@igorbarbosa24anosmelhoridade]

i'm ready does it again

[@breikio]

Love the podcast, why do you never put up on screen what you are looking at tho?

[@macariuswrench]

that could go wrong very quickly and very easily

[@Eastwood991]

I'm not a fan of gambling, but it's better to legalize and regulate it than banning it and having it go underground. That being said, I really don't like the normalization of it and all the ads I see everywhere. I do think it's going to lead to more gambling addictions. But yeah, I guess it's important to always have disclaimers on the ads to try to get people to do it responsibly (like with many other addictive substances and activities). Not sure how much that really helps though...

[@abhishekanand6217]

make it legal, but illegal to advertise. disclaimers do shit

[@Isak_Real]

Gambling can result in the somewhat same consequences as drug use, it's not cool that a streamer whom, probably has a lot of young viewers, is potentially ruining the futures of kids.

[@Eastwood991]

@@Isak_Real Yeah, that's where it gets tricky. However, kids shouldn't have access to gambling sites in the first place. It's not really his fault if the gambling sites or the parents aren't monitoring the situation...

[@HAHA4625]

I once had a nerve dislocated from lying on my side for an entire afternoon and it locked up my entire arm for the whole day until a physio massaged it back. Shit was weird, it felt like my entire arm was numb and at the same time sore.

[@Yordangl]

Im ready as well!

[@HugoOsorio-bm7my]

this is my happy podcast

[@nosthrillz]

Speaking of which, a-z was so much fun to watch! Maybe redo it? 😁 Also guests a-z? 😅

[@BDtetra]

I'm gonna be the extremist here and say, if Gambling sponsors existing is a requirement for Dota to continue as an esport, I rather see the competitive scene die than continue this. Been a long time player since the Bloodseeker release in Beta but this ultimately isnt just about Dota, its about the whole gaming landscape. NFTs in games are bad because ultimately its tied to real money, meaning that no matter what, it would attract players with the motive of making money. Gambling sponsors are bad because no matter how you put it, its essentially a scam; the house always wins. Same but less intrusive is Gacha and Lootboxes. I care about games more than I care about Dota. I've been a game dev for over 10 years. More and more, its increasingly harder to push against predatory monetization as a employee of a decently sized game company. There are still It pains me to see most of the big game companies move towards this trend. It makes an laughably large amount of money, that it makes making games purely for the purpose of entertainment, a "dumb" move if going in for purely profit. It really hurts since when I first decided to go this path, the thought process was generally "make a good game and the sales will follow". This is not the case anymore, at least mostly, with the very few exceptions like From Software and Larian still holding the line, purely out of pride of their work. It really fucking hurts.

[@kn0bhe4d]

Dunno where you got the idea of the community not being against gambling sponsorships. Did you forget the drama about TI 2022 being sponsored by a gambling company?

[@jordiattencia4948]

nothing wrong with gambling. Everything wrong with advertising gambling

[@sweexsweex]

i love this podcast

[@UchihaAvenger1997]

im having similar arm problem. What kind of therapist did he say. I'm assuming physical but it doesn't sound like he said physical

[@oyuyuy]

'Physiotherapist', same thing though

[@PommesPeterZK]

There wouldn't be that many gambling sponsors that keep popping up if it wasnt massively successful at generation a LOT of money. And I just cannot believe that even a majority of that money is from people who have that much disposable income where it doesn't effect them negatively. Gabling and betting addictions are extremely real and dangerous and in sports as well as esports are exploited crazily.

[@predragradonjic5275]

Hey Synderen, can you please be more straightforward, rather based, and share your honest thoughts on RTZ's gambling streams? It seems like you're avoiding addressing the issue. Do you think RTZ's involvement in gambling is problematic, and do you condone it? What do you think is the average age of his viewers? IF YOU ASK ME, YES, THIS IS A BAD THING.

[@kungfuseadog]

I used to really like Arteezy, and I still think he is likeable. But to me I started caring less and less simply because his subpar performances and have liked other carry players way more. This was just the nail in the coffin. He is just not that relevant anymore, it's just he was always such a poster child. Can he win a TI? With the right team yeah sure he is still an S Tier Carry player. But unlikely, way too inconsistent, way too complacent. No way that guy is as scary as Pakasz, Yatoro, even Mickey.

[@rhyzhyn]

57:35 farting is healthy..

[@ericjohn2352]

I am ready...

[@aofukai9978]

Really sad to see RTZ do a gamba stream. Coming from SEA I've seen way too many people get addicted and ruin their lives. Pretty sad to see someone I looked up to getting hooked in as well.

[@_Moonsfan_]

I’m ready

[@piccoro67]

In a way gaming is like gambling, take the money out, the same addiction pathways are involved. Gaming can ruin ur life too so... No moral highround there.

[@MsKiller713]

Im ready

[@VinniePaul91]

Macron is an afficianado and had ambitions to have TI and other big e-sports events in France as extention of the Olympics, that'd be wild to be honest.

[@nosthrillz]

Ofc TI in august means higher booking prices and less slots available and more expensive travel, all vecause of increased demand. But sure, it's easier to take time off ehen everyone else is. Would be a shame to have to choose TI vs your holiday with your SO or family or whatever

[@agdaleks]

Twitch now lets you co-stream on other platforms. For the longest time the second you signed as a partner/affiliate you were locked into an exclusivity contract with them. They changed this awhile ago, but made it so that you could stream on other sites, just not at the same time you were streaming on Twitch. As of a couple months ago they made it so you can stream to other sites at the same time as you are streaming on Twitch. For the pornstar, Eva Elfie, giving to the prizepool, from what I heard she offered the money to Team Spirit. Team Spirit then declined taking the money so she was trying to figure out what to do with it. Haven't heard any updates since. Keep the Fartality in the game the way it is but give it a chance of you shitting yourself instead leading to some debuff so you have some risk/reward to spamming it.

[@stenmin1234]

To be fair, you have done drugs if you've consumed alcohol. Or numerous other mostly harmless things humans consume on a regular basis.

[@dhavalpithadiya4998]

Yatoro refused take that money from eva Elfie.

[@LaKelz19]

Synd looks exactly like someone that never did any drugs

[@scottthong9274]

Funny you should mention that billionaires just want more money despite already being super rich, Elon just responded to the issue of advertisers threatening to pull out of Twitter/X by saying "You're trying to blackmail me with MONEY??? Go ffff yourself." 😂

[@Jul15227]

My wife got dry needling done and it lasted. Deep tissue message are also great for muscle knots

[@markrayanvaldez4136]

KathNiel broke up 😢😢😢

[@kennethcristianfonte1119]

who?

[@markrayanvaldez4136]

​@@kennethcristianfonte1119kathniel 😢

[@recobadota9571]

They should hold esports world cup in the winter, idk why they're holding it when its so hooot, no one wants to go there at that time.

[@Linny95]

lets be real, RTZ has bills to pay and he hasn't won any tournaments in years. He has to make money from somewhere lol

[@tnightwolf]

Facts!🤣

[@asda3431vf]

he could still make 500k a year from just streaming consistently.

[@Gdg195]

oh now we are justfying this rtshit while we shit on saudi money? mm ok what a fangay wow

[@Linny95]

@@asda3431vf except he doesn't

[@Test-xh9oy]

Disappointed on the gambling segment

[@rhyzhyn]

31:13 its just basically selling yourself, your brand and your gain fans to advertise gambling. yeah its not for all people, its a target advertising for viewers who gambles. getting the money is good and HUGE! and i dont think its bad to promote it, they have declaimer about it but what hits is the negative effects of it. its an addiction if abused and thats what the majority of fhe people hates it.

[@Gdg195]

Nah people who gambling is idiot they are darwinian awarda receiver its their fault for being stupid, BUT this cliff teezy is no longer relevant so might as well grab those gamba slots cause he cant win anything besides gambling LOL pathetic

[@sebastiangundolf6740]

I think "gambling" for fun with little money or even more if you are rich is okay and no problem. Like betting on football games against your friends etc, that's what we did a lot, but there you won or lost a few bucks.. nothing you notice at the end of the month. What this kind of gambling is about is enabling people to spend huge amounts of money in very short time. Even if you lose only small amounts per game this is the true risk. Because the consequences feel not as severe and you will also win more often if playing more often. This is the basis for a gambling addiction and I personally think it's even worse then a drug addiction. At least you will ruin your life even quicker. And gaming is a huge influence on young people who are on risk even more. And by someone like RTZ they may be even more likely to be influenced. Every single life ruined is a tragedy

[@asda3431vf]

@@sebastiangundolf6740 drugs are also harder to get. with gamba you can deposit all your money within minutes.

[@sebastiangundolf6740]

Betting in esports always reminds me of the Starcraft players who lost on purpose. But still that's more honest and better then those slot machines.. Edit: synderen has never done any drugs? Dude gets high on Dota like the guys behind the trainstation where I live..

[@meowcheeses9870]

Lmfaoooo y'all busy playing dnd instead of releasing your kickstarter

[@miandagny]

I listened to that song you recommended, and it was not enjoyable. well made certainly though.