Game Changer or Game Over: Is the new ESPN, Fox, Warner Bros. Discovery streaming bundle endgame?

[@ryanbrenner514]

Sampson, you buy a digital antenna to get local channels therefore you still get the games on those channels.

[@EBR846]

Been doing this for over a year. If you're like me and can't justify paying cable prices for what it offers but want for example more nuanced weather forecasts on-demand (recorded on DVR) vs. what you get online which for me, is either 1) in text (like most) or 2) station website video forecasts that often where I live are not always posted in a timely manner and later than the corresponding weather forecast (one reason that might be due to stations making money off of cable subscriptions according to YT channel Antenna Man and stations would rather you subscribe to cable if weather is one of the reasons you subscribe to cable but I don't know..this has been going on for years how hard is it to post a damn video?) *THEN it's useful to have TiVo's Edge DVR for an atennna.* Streaming options for sports help as well if they're not some of the more expensive options but honestly, if this new even bigger conglomerate thinks they're going to charge people a ton of money and take them back to cable level prices or more, I think people need to say "No thanks." Read books more. Get outside more and I don't know..actually play sports. More than a small percentage of these people that are really into sports that attend games look like they haven't played the sport they're apparently REALLY into in MANY years..or even any kind of physical activity other than walking to and from their car. Cost for the all-in *TiVo antenna DVR on-sale* is more up front at $318 (incl tax) but pales in comparison over the long-term to cable and there is no subscription fee, it's up front.

[@jeremietodd6997]

I’ve gotten my abc, nbc, fox and cbs sports over antenna for the last 12 years while streaming the rest of my tv/movie entertainment on platforms like Hulu, Netflix and Prime Video

[@alanclarkfamilly]

Pretty sure John Skipper is the subject matter expert here. David kept talking over him and was working pretty hard to be the smartest guy in the room. I think David’s points would be more palatable if he relaxed a little and let others talk.

[@zts693]

To answer David's primary question: "who is this for?", It's for sports fans who ONLY maintain their cable subscriptions for sports. This is probably a huge demo. Cable is dead. As a 30 year old, I can't remember the last time I tuned in for live non-sports television. The NFL will have to be figured out (CBS, RedZone??), but you'll probably be able to watch most of your sports content between this package and an Amazon subscription (RSNs). I think this is sports jumping off the sinking ship that is cable and is the first domino to fall that ends in Comcast/DirecTV/etc all sinking.

[@dannygibson2597]

Right, but do you also pay for Max, Hulu, Netflix or any movie subscriptions? why not just have literally everything imaginable under one subscription? That's what cable was, and that's why it worked.

[@walterdudedonny]

​@@dannygibson2597somebody will do this idea relatively soon. Maybe when the Super Bowl is behind a paywall.

[@shadowfelix1]

Agree with this being the true fall of cable. CBS, Redzone, Sunday Ticket, NBC all have streaming offerings. This is truly them not holding up cable anymore. The reason there isn’t one subscription is that companies don’t want to split the revenue. At some point, these companies are gonna realize that they can’t recreate what Netflix. Then they’ll come together to make streaming profitable.

[@Zilla12]

Where have you been? The cable dominos have already started falling.

[@sky1luv793]

Excellent conversation! We just have to wait and see. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@LUISSCS813]

Best show on Meadowlark media.

[@makjak2]

by far. can’t think of anywhere else you get this kind of in depth media discussions, print or otherwise

[@SickLiq]

Honestly, I'm exactly the market for this. All I want is sports. I don't want to pay $100 a month for a bunch of reality shows and TV for idiots. Of course, the price matters greatly.

[@AntFarmer47]

Hate to break it to you guy, but sports is as big a reality show as it gets. It’s also TV for idiots, hope this helped

[@zts693]

⁠@@AntFarmer47why are you on this page?

[@al99795]

@@AntFarmer47 they're OUR idiots though

[@scottstyles1986]

but, its a limited amount of sports. you're only getting nfl games which are on espn, no NFL network, no CBS or NBC, I love European soccer, so, I have peacock and ESPN+ for all other soccer info. Then, Amazon for TNF

[@kennyg9420]

What about games on NBC or CBS?

[@thechicken7092]

do this discussion every week please!!

[@kennyg9420]

As far as I know they do

[@zts693]

The second this was announced I began waiting for this exact conversation by you three 🙌🏽

[@aronwest9949]

David Sampson sounds so out of touch in this discussion. There's very little surprise when one considers he hails from the world of baseball, that has made their living off empty stadiums and regional broadcast TV deals.

[@walterdudedonny]

I don't know who you are talking about. The person on the show was David Samson.

[@ydcee3123]

​@walterdudedonny 🙄 Aron got some likes so maybe you're out of touch. We know who he's talking about. Sorry you don't ....

[@catastrophecookies6066]

All sports leagues have empty stadiums besides college lol

[@catastrophecookies6066]

“Rich Onlyfans people” ayyyyyoooooo

[@wildpantalonez6508]

It shocks me how many people don’t know that you get local channels with an antenna

[@OReallyYaRly]

i love these episodes with David and Skipper, glad they found someone to moderate when Witty left

[@Intabih]

30:30 Pablo... You are probably the only one in that room that got that. XD

[@727-Gaming]

They just reinvented cable…amazing

[@rubaiyat300]

Been waiting for this and making jokes about it for years. Happens more often than most realize. Many of the dinosaur big box stores getting pushed aside by Amazon used to be the nimble disruptors of their day using catalogues to reach their audience in their homes and having big central warehouses to distribute their goods. Then they shifted to brick and mortar to reach ever more shoppers until they became the industry they were wiping out way back in the day.

[@__rayman]

This is a great idea. Basically sports cable without the extra channels but will have extra channels

[@__rayman]

You could have this new idea and then get your basic channels (cbs,abc,nbc etc.) and save a fortune and have 90% of sports that’s available to the market and only pay for one thing

[@walterdudedonny]

I'm inclined to agree. It's funny, I was just considering going to KZbin TV and this was announced. I hope it arrives soon.

[@michaeldemarco2415]

This is a case for "wait and see". Until then it's talking heads.

[@slimpanther]

All jokes aside Pablo brings something Medowlark was missing

[@michaeljenkins7972]

So it’s a new Hulu with just sports?

[@Ne0Z33D]

Kinda what it sounds like to me.

[@murryjm]

Exactly what it is. They just subbed out Comcast this time.

[@allthethingsyouare]

It's essentially a linear cable TV package, that only includes the channels owned by the three companies that have sports. These same programmers refuse to let traditional cable TV companies offer these kinds of "skinny bundles," but are doing it themselves. It would be good for someone who only subscribes to KZbinTV or Hulu Live for sports, and also can get over the air TV via antenna for local NFL games. EDIT: Not sure if they get to this, but another reason they're doing this is, with only a 1/3 stake, the expenses don't go on their balance sheet, it just comes out of cash. It's a defensive move against cord cutting that is accretive.

[@heyitsmedammit]

@@allthethingsyouare Fuck that. I need paramount for UEFA champions league and Peacock for Premier League.

[@darcymcgowen3091]

I love this show. 🎉

[@ulamog]

Do people forget about the old school bunny ears that give you fox cbs abc nbc for free? nowadays you just buy a digital antenna and get those for free. I plan on getting the bundle and using the antenna

[@freeparking301]

If I’m not mistaken the old converter box for the rabbit ears is now built into new tvs

[@57knish]

I can’t get over how good these episodes are - almost rivaling Samson/Ryan Ruiz Covid shows

[@greatscott526]

This sounds like Sling TV

[@charmintp6845]

Not quite yet….soon Only thing I watched on Sling was Naked and Afraid.

[@joshweissman7489]

22:00 big reason CBS and NBC are not in on this is actually explained in the pod; both networks already offer their linear content on streaming...id assume because NBC and CBS are free-to-air, while Disney + WBD have a cable paywall in front of most sports content, and FOX hasn't really figured out how to approach DTC sports despite having a lot of great content available free-to-air, aka free on their app.

[@kylerlng]

The irony of David having Hulu is that Hulu was a conglomeration of ABC, Fox, and NBC when it started, not too different than what is being proposed here. I think the hurdles will be convincing people the price is worth it and not having RSNs like Bally.

[@Zothimus]

I thought Teddy Roosevelt abolished monopolies...oh wait, conglomerate lobbyist own politicians.

[@walterdudedonny]

All trust is busted!

[@DyingToLive12]

Bro this is soooo simple, get yourself a $40 HD antenna and that will give you CBS, NBC, ABC, AND FOX all for FREE! That's nearly everything but ESPN. then pick your favorite streaming service for movies /TV.

[@NichoD3]

I am with Pablo on this, i have KZbin TV and could not care less about this new service, unless YTTV loses ESPN, then im totally out

[@dagobert1234321]

John Skipper is so smart

[@Vienna107]

It will be interesting to see how this works. All depends on the price. Went away from DirectTV/cable because of the constant channel disputes, higher bills and extra fees for equipment and such. Getting what you want direct to consumer is more streamlined. If they set a price that is too expensive people just won't shell out the money for it.

[@chrisfamos]

i don't see how NBC and CBS don't get involved somehow, all parties need each other

[@JustinGreene0224]

I actually started YTTV at $27/mo and kept that for years while recieving ESPN and the other sports networks. My grandfather price was only revoked when Discovery channels became included, in which I cancelled immediately for doubling my monthly cost for channels I have no interest in.

[@marcusdunton1692]

they are going to do the same thing as KZbin tv

[@sp123]

​​@@marcusdunton1692they don't have a choice because the leagues will ask for more money

[@dagobert1234321]

Wait, YTTV was $27? I’m here almost paying triple

[@JustinGreene0224]

@@dagobert1234321 My early adopter price. Signed up at launch

[@tech-nomadic5218]

haven't had cable or a streaming service in about 8 years. still see all the sports i want. that's maybe not American capitalism but it's certainly American ingenuity

[@al99795]

same, I'm not exactly sure who under like 30 pays for all the sports they watch

[@dannygibson2597]

@@al99795 yall might not wanna continue to say that out loud cuz if illegal streaming gets big enough that it ruins multi billion dollar corporations, the gov will literally step in and shut us down for real. right now they don't really care cuz these organizations have pivoted, but if it gets worse the US gov could shut down the ALL illegal streaming overnight if they really wanted to. your VPNs, all that shit would have no effect. these corporations bring in too much money for the economy to let them die.

[@leondarnell1]

Great discussion...how will all this play out???? Fascinating.

[@illmatic19]

buffstreams

[@McMasher]

I have KZbintv for cfb and nfl and then cancel it as soon as the Super Bowl is over. But I’m still paying 75 a month for 5-6 months ill happily sign up for this app and probably keep it longer if it’s only 40-50 a month

[@technobarnes]

But you're not getting CBS or NBC sports networks so you will not get all NFL and CFB games

[@joshuasebold]

I think the target of this new service is people who primarily use unauthorized overseas streams to watch sports. They think that audience wants a higher quality stream without paying for a full youtube cable subscription. That's the segment of the market they need to reclaim.

[@DonBrownII]

00:22 I can guarantee you, the people did not summon David Sampson

[@walterdudedonny]

Who is the person of which you speak?

[@Jennifer_Elliott]

Sampson is the perfect foil for Skipper 😊

[@ohno22446]

you can get antenna for $30 that covers CBS and NBC

[@iamjoshdouglas]

my parents have a tv, landline, and internet package that is around $175. I could break up those components into their own things but the convenience of something they are already familiar with and the cost of those things all together is a great deal

[@Kevindevin7]

They did this to collectively compete against the tech giants. They’re only aggregated, coupled sport competitor in this space is KZbin TV. And this is meant to be an alternative to KZbin TV.

[@ragnaruq]

Im in NJ and if they can get MSG, SNY, NBC sports, and YES all together again id be in.

[@jr5mics]

People in the comments not understanding why Sampson and Pablo were questioning Skipper are the one companies love to take advantage of. Topics won’t always be agreed on that’s what makes the show great! Just listen.

[@kimchipancake7651]

They are accelerating the rate of cord-cutting by under-pricing the sports bundle. They will force all the sports to this bundle and when cable surrenders, then MAYBE streaming can be priced high enough to earn a profit.

[@socalalex26]

Pablo speaks as a relative young person, but not an actual young person. While older millennials may be thinking "We're back to cable!", this isn't occurring for younger generations. This new sports bundle buys these companies some extra time to get millennials and older generations to subscribe, but it doesn't compete against the "free" social media platforms that younger generations spend the majority of their time on. They aren't going to pay for this kind of thing because they get what they need without paying through KZbin, Instagram, Tiktok, Twitch, Kick, and Snapchat. They don't need to pay to watch sports games live if they don't have to, they can watch viral clips and otherwise through the aforementioned platforms. Cable is still dying, and thinly-veiled "New Cable" streaming mega packages costing $50+ won't ever catch on and will just die off along with cable as the older generations age out.

[@JayDawg83]

Can FINALLY see the MLB All-Star Game without having to get Switch for a month just to get the game! Thanks, FOX! ⚾️

[@kerrscram]

Thanks Guys good info !

[@Yavin4]

This is what's going to happen. They'll launch this. People will sign up for it. It will have some games, but not all games. It may even have a MNF game exclusively, but not all MNF games. People will get increasingly frustrated, but some will love it. Then in about 18 mos or so. They will pull the plug on the whole thing bc it was losing too much money. Streaming does not work as a business model.

[@steveg4082]

Something you’re overlooking is that the word sports means something different to everyone. For some people Sports means the Westminster dog show for some people sports means college football. And some people sports means neither of those things. Why would a dog show watcher paid to see college football, and why would a college football enthusiast pay to see dog shows? Or Olympics? Or Motorsports? A bundle just means certain fans are paying half of their money for the opportunity to watch sports that they will never watch.

[@jdigeronimo16]

How do you think the Fubo lawsuit will play out? This brings up the whole MFN clause into question and it’s hard to see how it will play out favorably for the big 3 trying to build this platform.

[@LaCheeserie]

Outside of the redzone, soccer is only sport I have heavy interest in and that involves three separate services currently. Bundled together would be something I’d consider

[@stacyhill5978]

You guys don't get it.... It's marketed for sports fans who only want sports an don't want to pay $80-100 plus dollars for package of ther non sports junk (big bundles) when they just want sports!! That simple

[@randybuehler]

I knew the Fever had the #1 pick. I'm also sure I have more than 3 fellow fans on here ...

[@Ethiopianraver]

I dont understand why David is pushing so hard on this. $50/month for sports is a good deal. NBC/CBS are free with an antenna. The fact you get additional programming to sports isn’t a negative it’s either a neutral or a positive. If I’m looking for a basketball game it’s not hard to figure out what channel it’s on. I’m not going to be shocked that TruTv has reruns on random Wednesdays at 1pm

[@therabble7944]

My favorite part about this is if you Google for 10 seconds you can find 1000 streaming websites that stream sports for free. Is it illegal? Yes. Will you ever get in trouble for doing it? Absolutely not.

[@drakoramore9]

I am who this bundle is for. I refuse to pay for stuff I won't watch. If I can get them all together plus paramount on the side without all the other trash, I'll take it (depending on the price). I don't think I'll pay $50/month for it though. If I do it will only be during football season. Edit: I also don't think there will be anything besides sports on this app.

[@skamakazi]

I have KZbin TV only for sports and would switch to save money

[@ra2186]

I honestly don't understand why anyone pays for any of these services. Why did you get rid of cable just to pay something else? Do people really not understand how vast the internet is?

[@randaltron]

How to this deal affect local teams? Like when I get blackout on Laker and Dodger games?

[@B3RG92]

About the question about who this product is for: People who are content with an antenna to pick up over the air channels (you only have to pay once for this) and want the sports that are on ESPN and Fox and TNT/TBS because of the games that are only there. It's a big demographic because it'll be cheaper and good enough

[@christopherleelewis21]

Is there any way that this can have its own channel? It's difficult to find.

[@KyoBoogie]

I don’t particularly believe that David truly means everything he says….but boy was he wrong on Caitlin Clark.

[@rockutron9000]

Replacing cable with cable. WTF are we doing.

[@jramos5513]

Can’t wait to tell my grandkids about the “Great Re-Bundling” 😂

[@malikutendahl3999]

Is there a chance ESPN and the other channels keep their channels on Comcast but take the live sports and just have it on the app? First take and all that stays on the channel but the sports just on the app

[@tech-nomadic5218]

thank God for the 'menu items' after the main course got stale

[@RSP965]

Love this content. I watch KZbin and streamers for commentary, podcasts, and shows. I watch networks for just the broadcast of the game. Can't stand ESPN or Fox pre-game or commentary. Way too vanilla. ESPN sportscaster is unwatchable except for the two young dudes that do Saturday mornings. Everything else: Unwatchable unless you're twelve or a mom.

[@fraliexb]

I could cancel my KZbin TV basic service cost, and pay $50 instead of $80.

[@thehoboman]

Internet connection and a decent vpn will enable anyone to watch as much sports and pay per views as they want for no more than the cost of the connection.

[@amattyg]

As a soccer fan I don't like this unless NBC and CBS get involved.

[@courtsidemanor1096]

Sounds like David hasn't figured out that a bunch of people have gotten away from cable and cable have lost making the rules in this area.

[@torch378]

NCIS + Sports

[@dwilliams380]

Aye David, this is why you don’t get invited places. Putting the suffer insufferable

[@danielwebb8402]

Not even 4 of the viewers knew the name of the indiana WNBA team

[@teewhy6994]

I want all my sports leagues to distribute games like the MLS Apple deal.

[@MorganNye]

I’m waiting for Jason Kilar to become new ceo for Warner bros discovery. No one is allowed to doubt me or say I’m wrong, because I’m right about it.

[@jorwon]

I wanna pay one price that includes all nfl and nba games

[@MD_THEMAN]

Skipper said he doesn't like doing anything illegal??? Really??? Like buying huge amounts of cocaine??

[@dwilliams380]

Every time I think I’m turning the corner on David Sampson…he does some David Sampson shit and I’m out again

[@TheAbsolutdan]

How does Sampson not realize they are not buying channels they are creating their own.

[@timmanto1022]

Fox has free streaming platform.

[@brucybabyy7355]

this listener just found out there is an Indiana fever.

[@walterdudedonny]

And cow bell too!

[@jamesbingham1007]

JUST DON"T BUY IT. If we use this moment to put our foot down, and NOT buy the NEW cable, they'll cave. We can reset the market.

[@armoredupknight2808]

My HOA locks me into cable. So I can’t be a cord cutter. I thought they were going to buy sports together. Like the 3 of them pulling a joint bid for College Football Playoff. If that’s not what’s going on, this is completely useless.

[@al99795]

that is a crazy HOA rule

[@walterdudedonny]

I bet the cable company wouldn't wire the building without that agreement.

[@M2Capital01]

Johns willful naiveness on the sports rights bidding shows his bias for the previous cable model in these discussions.

[@abrahamgrigsby9300]

Why do I feel like this guy would grill a hamburger with ketchup and try to sell it to me as BBQ?

[@dexterterrestrial]

NCIS was taking strays! 😂

[@Mrfailking1]

But cbs and nbc are ota. This cuts out cable

[@chrisweidner4768]

Sigh.. Disappointed in Skipper supporting gambling in sports. I guess they all have their price. That is why they are there.

[@extremeuzer3]

CrZy how the dude on the left talks like he used to run ESPN or smth

[@LouSassle-zv1zo]

I call cap that this guy never watched Impractical Jokers on Trutv

[@DJV7893]

Why does Samson sound so butt hurt about this joint venture? It just sounds like Samson is against the common consumer being able to save money and find a better sports bundle.

[@jamesbingham1007]

Put the Superbowl behind a paywall, and you'll risk the entire season becoming irrelevant.

[@johnnyutah9697]

I made it 10 minutes and bailed. Sampson is constantly contentious for no reason and it kills any potential intelligent conversation.

[@sethhussey5804]

Im sure it will cost more for less , the rest is just smoke and mirrors

[@chrisfamos]

24:00 absolutely theres a broadcast only tier... do you live under a rock? lol

[@chrisfamos]

$55/mo with comcast - 30 local channels

[@betterthanumjf]

Why does david always stop the flow of conversation.

[@elias.236]

Apple breathing a sigh or relief after learning about this or punching the air? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@seanb5761]

how does David Sampson sound so out of touch?

[@waleadesanwo1205]

How wants to buy a hospital in Eau Claire, WI?