Game Changer? There's a New CCS Charging Network That Can Give Tesla Superchargers Real Competition!

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@rumhave9632
@rumhave9632 Жыл бұрын
"You shouldn't have to wrestle the cable" Maybe try backing up to the charger. Lol
@jsonlee01
@jsonlee01 Жыл бұрын
Imagine a 90lb granny trying to wrangle the charger to plug in. It’d be like her wrestling an anaconda.
@bob52me
@bob52me Жыл бұрын
Yes, it looked like he could have back up another 5 feet.
@MarlinMay
@MarlinMay Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the cable is as huge as it is to make it more durable and perhaps less subject to vandalism?
@jsonlee01
@jsonlee01 Жыл бұрын
@@MarlinMay I don’t know about this one specifically but in general these EV charging cables have cooling built in because they do get quite hot pumping all that electricity to the car. Also, durability is very important so they can stand up to misuse and abuse.
@manoloprpr
@manoloprpr Жыл бұрын
Well you can tell he hates backing into a spot 😃
@martycannon
@martycannon Жыл бұрын
The cable length wouldn't have been a problem if you would have backed in about 4 more feet! @8:30
@dcaldwell1003
@dcaldwell1003 Жыл бұрын
I really think apartment complexes, supermarkets and department store parking lots are ideal early rapid charging targets. So many young renters out there, and they are all probably the most inclined to adopt EVs early. And shopping time is perfect for a quick charge.
@KalleSWBeck
@KalleSWBeck Жыл бұрын
Apartments should be fine with level 2 (lots of them in California now have this) The issue is the demographics of new car buyers… 90% own their own home.
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Жыл бұрын
Our local public elementary school now has chargers in the lot for staff and the public. That's in a village of 550 people. And one FRUNKENSTEIN!
@TrainsFerriesFeet
@TrainsFerriesFeet Жыл бұрын
@@KalleSWBeck Yes, and it's easy to purchase and install a Level 2 Charging Station at home. I've had one since 2018.
@nc3826
@nc3826 Жыл бұрын
OFC, it is very easy...... when you're entitled and rich ....
@TrainsFerriesFeet
@TrainsFerriesFeet Жыл бұрын
@@nc3826 I'm far from rich and the charging station paid for itself in a year via gas savings.
@Jeddin
@Jeddin Жыл бұрын
They’re 180kw capable. But they cheaped on the cables so they opted for the 2x90kw configuration vs sharing 180 kw or getting the full 180 if you’re alone as their cables can’t push that much current. Probably intentional savings because I would imagine most of their stores don’t have the electrical infrastructure capability to deliver 180. They should have gone for a battery supported solution like FireWire
@nc3826
@nc3826 Жыл бұрын
Every Ev only wants the highest charging rate.... but disregard the added cost of the infrastructure and the electrical capacity of the service lines and the demand charges.... And still want it to have an Inexpensive charging rate And a reliable easy charging experience.... Good luck with that....
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 Жыл бұрын
The only problem is, the huge amount of money they would have to invest, compared to usage. Would the equipment bring enough revenue to pay for itself within its service life? If they can't make a profit, they won't invest the hundreds of thousands of $'s.
@anydaynow01
@anydaynow01 Жыл бұрын
@@vincentrobinette1507 Yep, folks should be lucky they have these. The charge rate is pretty decent, I would be more concerned about the spaces being ICEd out, they need to put tow away signs on those spaces like they do with the handicap spots.
@deansmits006
@deansmits006 Жыл бұрын
This is ok though. I'd not use 7/11s charger network to ram as much electricity in my car as quickly as possible, but to add about 60-80 miles of range in about 15 minutes. Quick add. Then charge at home or find another 150-350kw charger a little further down the road if nothing available there
@dansanger5340
@dansanger5340 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully, running them at only half their rated output will improve reliability.
@ChicagoBob123
@ChicagoBob123 Жыл бұрын
Loves should do this because they always have space, a dog park and the store to grab snacks.
@glenngore6609
@glenngore6609 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, but Love’s is not doing anything with charging at the present time and as far as I know they have no plans going forward as yet. There are a few Electrify America stations near Love’s but they do not have anything to do with the company.
@ChicagoBob123
@ChicagoBob123 Жыл бұрын
@@glenngore6609 they put in rv parking locations. Seems like the store makes money and evs stop for more than 10 minutes
@roodick85
@roodick85 Жыл бұрын
Loves,Buccees,Flying J and the others should have been first. It'll make them a ton of revenue
@glenngore6609
@glenngore6609 Жыл бұрын
Yep, one would think. Buccees should be investing in chargers at all their locations for sure, but so far they only have 1 Supercharger site at one of their locations, and that was done by Tesla, not Buccees. Texas is WAY behind in charger installations in general. If you are not traveling I-35, good luck. No US or Texas state highways are covered at all. There isn’t s single DCFC in either Lubbock or Wichita Falls! Convenience chains would make lots of money with EV owners stuck at their stores for an hour or so while charging. @@roodick85
@KalleSWBeck
@KalleSWBeck Жыл бұрын
Loves is starting to do this with EA
@salvadorv3
@salvadorv3 Жыл бұрын
Don’t blame the cable when you didn’t back up far enough. Once you adjust to driving the same EV and learning where your port is, you will learn to back up more to make it easier on yourself.
@johnh8268
@johnh8268 Жыл бұрын
I agree, he stopped 4ft short of the charger and then complained about the cable.
@nlpnt
@nlpnt Жыл бұрын
Roman's going to be driving a different car every week until he retires. That's the job. It's why auto journalists can get really fussy about nonstandard minor controls.
@FranciscoNogueira
@FranciscoNogueira Жыл бұрын
Christ. He didn't even tried to hide the fact that he parked almost a meter and a half away from the charger. What a dumb a55. Other than that this charging session looked as good as anyone should expect.
@johnborges5938
@johnborges5938 Жыл бұрын
Getting a foot in the door is more important than getting the details (charging speed, shed over chargers, etc) right out of the gate. Reliability would be a much more important goal at this point, and if there is money to be made at it, 7-11 will get there.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 Жыл бұрын
Reliability is paramount right now!
@suprPHREAK
@suprPHREAK Жыл бұрын
A lot of people forget that the history of gas stations was that pumps were being installed at convenience stores. So 7-11 doing this is both a throwback and natural.
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 Жыл бұрын
why don't tesla super chargers break down like other fast charger stations?
@newscoulomb3705
@newscoulomb3705 Жыл бұрын
1:15 It's important to emphasize that Tesla has 17,711 Supercharger *stalls*, not locations. Really, not even chargers. It's 17,111 dispensers (many of which share power) spread over about 1,700 sites, which is roughly the same number of locations as Electrify America and EVgo combined. There's no arguing that Tesla is the largest charging provider in the United States, but they are nowhere near as far ahead as some of the numbers might indicate. It's the way that they are ahead that's important, but as you noted, they're going to need to do more than open 12 of their sites to compete with the public charging providers.
@patrickmay8261
@patrickmay8261 Жыл бұрын
Exactly on that Tesla count. Considering some of their stations are huge. Kettleman City, CA (along I-5 in Central California) has two sites that are a 5 minute walk from each other. One is like 90 the other around 40.
@stianthomassen6693
@stianthomassen6693 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, they have chosen Alway Be Broken chargers. They always have this great delay before they start is my feeling. I'm always at the lookout for Kempower here in Norway because they always works and they usually have around 10-16 chargers at every location. That's because their main charging unit has around 600kw of power which they then distribute to "satellite" poles.
@adrianguggisberg3656
@adrianguggisberg3656 Жыл бұрын
So far, Kemppi is only known for their welders outside scandinavia. I believe their DC fast charging systems are some of the best on the market, but they dont have the production capacity yet to expand outside scandinavia at significant scale.
@treborheminway3814
@treborheminway3814 Жыл бұрын
Do you have ionity? They see good too. Maybe.
@stianthomassen6693
@stianthomassen6693 Жыл бұрын
​@@treborheminway3814 I haven't used them, but a friend of mine I have traveled Norway-France using their network and are very happy with them and are going on a trips this year Norway- France - UK. using a Ford Mustang Mach E if you wondered. So yes, they seem very reliable.
@newscoulomb3705
@newscoulomb3705 Жыл бұрын
I've had to use gas for the first time in several years over the last couple months, and three of the four gas stations I stopped at had multiple pumps down and out of service, which matches my experiences from driving gas cars for the last 20 to 30 years. No one complained: they moved to the next working pump, they waited for a pump, or they went to another gas station. However, I keep hearing this take that EV chargers need to be as reliable gas pumps, but reliability isn't the actual issue. The issue is not having multiple other options on-site and nearby. In the parts of the country where people seem to be struggling with EA the most, a majority of the sites appear to be only four chargers. If they were 8 to 10 charger sites, no one there would even be mentioning the fact that one or two of the chargers are down. They'd just move to the next charger. And as the EV population grows, people aren't going to be upset if a site goes down for a day or two if there's an 8 to 10 charger EVgo site across the street and an 8 to 10 charger ChargePoint site a block down.
@4literv6
@4literv6 Жыл бұрын
Very well said. Where I am in Cobb county GA we have pumps down and station's out of various grades of fuel and sometimes all grades every year. And all around at the large discount stores like same club and Costco fools sit in long lines waiting 15-45+mins to fuel up at cheaper prices.
@bob-qi4nr
@bob-qi4nr Жыл бұрын
@@4literv6 BS
@AJourneyOfYourSoul
@AJourneyOfYourSoul Жыл бұрын
I can count on both hands the number of times I have not been able to get gas over the last 30 years. About 750k miles of driving. It isn’t even close to the number of ev chargers that don’t work. Sometimes I wonder why they are even putting chargers in if they don’t care about maintaining them.
@4literv6
@4literv6 Жыл бұрын
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul and I need a lot more than all 20 of my fingers n toes to get there in my 27 years now of driving and owning over 80+vehicle's. And despite the fact people brag about gas stations literally everywhere? Over 800,000+Americans run out of gas every year. It's the #1 roadside rollout for AAA. The #1 open recall right now across all ice is for the risk of FIRE. Facts are funny thing's aren't they. 🤔
@newscoulomb3705
@newscoulomb3705 Жыл бұрын
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul Again, the question isn't about "not being able to get gas." The question is: How reliable do EV chargers actually need to be? The average gas station has about 8 pumps, and there are over 150,000 gas stations in the U.S. The average charging site has fewer than 3 dispensers, and there are only about 5,000 public fast charging sites in the U.S. So just on the surface alone, EV chargers need to be 30 times more reliable than gas pumps to have a similar experience. It sounds like we have been driving for a similar amount of time, but I might have logged a lot more miles than you. Regardless, I've lost count of the times I've run across pumps that were out of service, and I'd run out of fingers and toes counting the times an entire station has been down. It just doesn't register for gas drivers because they only have to cross the street to get to another station.
@jaken005
@jaken005 Жыл бұрын
The real game changer is when Kempower starts production in the US, they are a Finnish company and are the best chargers i have ever used here in Sweden, with great reliability, modularity, cable handling and screen with ability to scan a qr code to take the charging info with you on your smartphone
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 Жыл бұрын
I'm sold on the 'pay at the pump' VISA card system. Just like a gas station. The fact that it offers both CHAdeMO and J-1772 enhanced, (CCS) means that ANY electric car can charge there. (Tesla needs its CCS adapter) I really like the fact, that you DON'T need an "app" to use the charge station. 90kW seems a little down, but, not to bad. I'm sure you noticed, that the charge cable is really heavy. That's because this cable is NOT liquid cooled, like the ones used on Tesla and Electrify America chargers, so, the cable has to be much heavier to handle the high amperage, with passive air cooling. That allows the cable to be longer, with a hangar tie, similar to a hose at a gasoline/diesel pump. This type of charge station would be ideal at shopping centers, restaurants, or movie theatres, where you're going to be doing something for a while, rather than trying to fall asleep in your car for an hour, waiting for it to charge enough to get to your destination.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 Жыл бұрын
It seems odd that 7-11 went this route. Every grocery store, shopping center and theater should have a big bank of these plus even more L2. Once that happens (and it will), the charging problem for apartment dwellers will be mostly taken care of. I suppose a lot of 7-11 stores have other things to do nearby. So not every user will be sitting for a half hour eating super unhealthy food and drinking coffee.
@IronmanV5
@IronmanV5 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Convenience store sales account for 30% of a gas stations' revenue, and 70% of their profits. People who fast charge are more likely to go into the store to "drain the tank" and are thus more likely to buy very profitable drinks & snacks. Now if only they would add some canopies to the charging spots...
@DavidSmith-dx1bd
@DavidSmith-dx1bd Жыл бұрын
I would be willing to bet that downloading the app and connecting it to a card would have given him a better rate as well
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. The charge cable is not liquid cooled, like Tesla or Charge America stations. The fact that it relies on passive air cooling limits the current that can be passed through the charging cable. That's also why the cable is so big and heavy. Basically, they put a J-1772 connector on a CHAdeMO cable. While these aren't the most powerful chargers, lets hope they're among the most reliable...Time will tell!!
@Stevo71
@Stevo71 Жыл бұрын
@@vincentrobinette1507, I’m betting the OP meant rate per kWh… not how fast the charger is.
@DavidSmith-dx1bd
@DavidSmith-dx1bd Жыл бұрын
@@vincentrobinette1507 I did mean the dollar amount when I referenced rate my apologies for the confusion but the kilowatts per hour rate you are correct
@markmd9
@markmd9 Жыл бұрын
Paying with credit card is a lot easier
@thenetworkarchitectchannel
@thenetworkarchitectchannel Жыл бұрын
Thx for the vid. Exciting times. There are four new DCFC networks I have my eye on and I think any one of them could be a game changer. Ultium Charge 360 at Pilot/FlyingJ, Circle K, 7-11, & Subway. Of those, I am most hopeful for the GM one, as placing at interstate truck stops makes so much sense for road tripping. The other three are more likely going to help out adoption for people who live in apartments, condos, town homes that do not have home charging.
@deansmits006
@deansmits006 Жыл бұрын
Perfect for Subway. Go there, plug in, get a sandwich. 20-30 minutes later, on your way
@iHelpSolveIt
@iHelpSolveIt Жыл бұрын
In other countries all the supermarkets provide free chargers if you shop.
@jlujan4
@jlujan4 Жыл бұрын
Also it seems like 711 will eventually allow power sharing between its dispensers so if there's only one car charging it can recieve up to 180kW
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 Жыл бұрын
oh oh oh score!!!🤣🤣🤣
@isaacalvarado8236
@isaacalvarado8236 Жыл бұрын
Why would you park so far away from the charger?!? No wonder you were wrestling the cord 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ starting to question if Roman is really in favor of EV’s or he’s just using TFL to bash on EV’s. I know there’s issues that we can’t ignore but he’s owned several EV’s you’d think he knows how to park to charge. 6:30
@DavidSmith-dx1bd
@DavidSmith-dx1bd Жыл бұрын
I'm new to EV charging however downloading the app always gives me a better rate and here in Indiana it's only 8.5 from 11:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m.
@deansmits006
@deansmits006 Жыл бұрын
I've noticed EA gives you a better rate if you become a member. Which is...$5/month! However, I charge almost exclusively at home, so meh
@who2u333
@who2u333 Жыл бұрын
CircleK is apparently also planning on building out a network. Between the two of them, that should be a good thing.
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 Жыл бұрын
soon the charge port will be on the roof thanks to his suggestion🤣🤣
@sking2173
@sking2173 Жыл бұрын
My wife’s already making plans as to where she’s gonna mount our home Level-2 charger.
@anydaynow01
@anydaynow01 Жыл бұрын
I have a level 2 charger but I have been level 1 charging (8A120VAC) for the past year to put minimum wear on the battery and I just don't need the extra charge considering how many km I put on the car daily. The only time the level 2 gets use is when a friend or family member needs a quick top off when they visit.
@ArielBatista
@ArielBatista Жыл бұрын
They are also putting in the state of Florida, there are about 6 locations with them. It's a very good idea to have more options. Thanks for the video.
@milesfong3901
@milesfong3901 Жыл бұрын
Not only the smaller cables than others, but the cold weather can also affect how much your Volvo will take in. It would be perfect for my EUV. I believe that here in California all new installs must have a screen, so no app required.
@patrickmay8261
@patrickmay8261 Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of requirements for EVSE now. The CTEP database has less than 30 and only the ABB Tera DCFC are in there. Everything else is L2. Not sure how anyone else is getting a charger installed.
@im4udevco
@im4udevco Жыл бұрын
Maybe 7-11 will be the one that finally gets it right when it comes to DC fast charging. Simple, pay-as-you-go, grab something to eat and take a restroom break plus it's not at the corner or back in a parking lot. This is what we'd like to see. Reliability is the key here.
@johnbryson2479
@johnbryson2479 Жыл бұрын
The ICE car parking in an EV stall. Kind of says it all.
@pzeeman73
@pzeeman73 Жыл бұрын
I would change my grocery store if there one near me where I could charge while I shop. Same with malls and restaurants.
@Cliff01Austin
@Cliff01Austin Жыл бұрын
Fact: I was born and raised in Germany and am now living in the US (specifically Austin, Texas), and since I bought my Tesla X, I will never buy an EV with CCS (1&2) & CHADEMO charging port, as they are not just UGLY, but they are also OPD TECHNOLOGY, HEAVY & BULKY. I wish that EVERY EV manufacturer will use TESLA charging port (NACS) 😊and be done with it, period. Have a great day to y'all! 0:01
@timoliver8940
@timoliver8940 Жыл бұрын
If they made the chargers capable of higher charging speeds you wouldn’t have enough time to go into their store and then stand in line to pay!
@chrisballengee5746
@chrisballengee5746 Жыл бұрын
Circle K is going to be adding to the network and they will take credit card
@jeffweingrad4658
@jeffweingrad4658 Жыл бұрын
"it's pretty heavy", "you shouldn't have to work out to plug in..." doesn't sound like competition to Tesla's standard. That's a huge point imo for all CCS. The technology and ergonomics.
@MihneaStoian
@MihneaStoian Жыл бұрын
We got similar chargers at some Petro Canada locations in Canada. They take visa tap and they go up to 350kW.
@ty2007
@ty2007 Жыл бұрын
Except they never are working.
@deansmits006
@deansmits006 Жыл бұрын
Canada needs this even more than the US. It's my impression that their network is even worse than the US
@Goosekovski
@Goosekovski Жыл бұрын
Combine this with the circle K push to add chargers and it's a game changer. I really want to go EV (Rivian R1T) but I need to tow a 3k boat/trailer 150 miles one way to the coast of NC in a charging desert.
@explor360
@explor360 Жыл бұрын
Nick there are several charging stations in Hatteras. I’m sure there are others in the OBX
@nc3826
@nc3826 Жыл бұрын
anybody that does a lot of long distance heavy towing.... A range extended EV or a PHEV makes more sense.... The Ram REV will be interesting option...
@anydaynow01
@anydaynow01 Жыл бұрын
@@nc3826 Yep the first 3/4 or 1 ton PHEV pickup to market with decent reviews and I'm buying it. It has to have a decent EV range though, at least 50 km unladen in winter for simple around town tasks, that way I can drive to work on EV only and charge there, and again when I get back home. I would also like at least 700 km highway range when running on the hybrid diesel setup also.
@neutrino78x
@neutrino78x Жыл бұрын
Roman, another thing they can do is, I have seen portable chargers where it has a solar canopy on it. So then, at least during the day, you're getting green power locally, and also sheltering the car and yourself from the elements, to some extent. 🙂
@BaddoggMS
@BaddoggMS Жыл бұрын
Circle K is trying out 180KWh chargers right now. Hopefully they roll those out soon to all Circle Ks.
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Жыл бұрын
7-11 calls their station "7 Charge?" For faster service, Spinal Tap suggests calling it, "11 Charge."
@PeteR-sy2ud
@PeteR-sy2ud Жыл бұрын
For safety chargers in the rear make sense. Backing upon arrival is always safer than backing out of a parking spot.
@ailivac
@ailivac Жыл бұрын
I honestly don't know why it's taken this many years for even a few convenience store chains to start building their own charger networks. They make their money drawing in people who need fuel and and selling them other things like food at the same time. And ten years from now a lot of that demand for fuel is going to be replaced with demand for fast charging.
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Жыл бұрын
Saw my first Re-Charge this morning. Turned my head. 720 degrees!
@WW-wf8tu
@WW-wf8tu Жыл бұрын
ICE filler placements are as erratic as EV charging ports. So it makes no sense to grumble about it. "You would think it would be easier for the gas tank to be in the middle of the back side of all vehicles, so it wouldn't matter which side of the fuel pump the gas tank is located. For safety reasons it is illegal to have the gas tank there because an impact on the rear side of the vehicle could lead to gas splashing and the car exploding.because an impact on the rear side of the vehicle could lead to gas splashing and the car exploding."
@raypabs5374
@raypabs5374 Жыл бұрын
That's a nice Klim jacket.
@broadcastinknowledge
@broadcastinknowledge Жыл бұрын
I can see why EVS dont need a canopy , you can be comfortable inside your car while you charge since it takes a while . With ICE cars its a quick fill up so you wait outside with the elements pouring over you. 🤔
@boostenmkiv
@boostenmkiv Жыл бұрын
It's my understanding that the ABB chargers at 7eleven are currently only 90kwh due to the cable they chose, it could easily be upgraded to 150 with a cable swap, but unfortunately not 350 easily.
@anydaynow01
@anydaynow01 Жыл бұрын
90 kW should be enough for most city dwellers to get a few days worth of kms when they stop off to get in line for their smokes and lottery tickets.
@godofdun
@godofdun Жыл бұрын
Need more covered parking, always feel like a 2nd class citizen whenever charging lol
@cypvh74
@cypvh74 Жыл бұрын
Don’t have roofs, because you don’t need to stay at the charger stall while it charges. You do have to stand by by gas pump while your car fills though.
@Visualhead_Spacer
@Visualhead_Spacer Жыл бұрын
like they say, the more options and conveniently placed, the better. If you are going to stop for a snack/coffee anyway, it helps get some extra juice until you hit the real DCFC and saves you extra time each stop.
@newscoulomb3705
@newscoulomb3705 Жыл бұрын
11:37 CHAdeMO isn't restricted to 50 kW, and on those units, it should be capable of the same power that you saw out of the CCS plug (about 200 A). The bigger problem for CHAdeMO is that no one made liquid-cooled cables, so they are restricted to 100 kW, even when they are installed on faster chargers. Of course, if someone wanted to make an 800 V CHAdeMO EV, it could technically charge at 150+ kW on many of the plugs that are currently deployed. The other thing to keep in mind is that, until someone comes out with a quick and easy CCS kit, most people are defaulting to CHAdeMO for their DCFC needs on DIY and conversion EVs.
@jackfender9274
@jackfender9274 Жыл бұрын
I have never seen a 100kw Chademo, only 50kw. A 100kw Chademo would have a very thick cable that would be difficult to maneuver safely.
@newscoulomb3705
@newscoulomb3705 Жыл бұрын
@@jackfender9274 It could be where you're located. All the CHAdeMO connectors on the new EVgo sites are 100 kW, as are the CHAdeMO cables on Freewire chargers. Again, it's only 200 A, so it's as manageable as the 200 A, non-liquid-cooled CCS cables.
@roodick85
@roodick85 Жыл бұрын
They've been doing these in Europe and they're amazing! Hopefully it'll be the same treatment for the states
@bluesteve124
@bluesteve124 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps you wouldn't have to wrestle with the cable so much if you didn't park a mile away from the charger. Just a thought.
@stevendunn264
@stevendunn264 Жыл бұрын
The same ICE people who park in EV only spots also take handicap spots. There is a special place in hell for them.
@yolanda4731
@yolanda4731 Жыл бұрын
Sheetz gas stations have Tesla SC in WV, and PA. Wawa gas stations in Florida also have them.
@markwitkop7022
@markwitkop7022 Жыл бұрын
7-11 Purchased Speedway gas last year. Perhaps they will add EV charging at some of those stations. However, most gas stations are to small to have cars sitting around for a 1/2 hour or so. Of the 6 stations in our town, none of them have the room for EV charging. Just a thought.
@MbT379
@MbT379 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant that these major gas station chains (along interstates) and quick-marts (7-Eleven) are adding electric charging stations. Hopefully they will be better maintained, since they can provide additional revenue to the store.
@ellenroehl6022
@ellenroehl6022 Жыл бұрын
Seems like the Captain Obvious thing to do if they still want to be in business in 10 years.
@alexanderdarden6229
@alexanderdarden6229 Жыл бұрын
Qt gas station should definitely do this also racetrack that would eliminate a lot of travel anxiety in the south for sure
@laloajuria4678
@laloajuria4678 Жыл бұрын
8:00 they are 200A cable limited.
@wh4070
@wh4070 Жыл бұрын
Gas stations are the obvious place to have these aside from shopping centers. Really hope more chargers get put in because it's abysmal right now
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 Жыл бұрын
Charge stations really don't make much sense at a corner gas station, because how long it takes to charge. They do make perfect sense at a travel plaza, that features fast-food places, and perhaps, even a restaurant. Something to 'pass the time', while waiting for the car to charge. Parks and recreation centers are also good places for EV charge stations.
@ab-tf5fl
@ab-tf5fl Жыл бұрын
That's what I thought for awhile. But, after doing several short road trips in my Bolt that go just a few miles beyond the car's range, I've realized that the most of the trips I actually need to charge, the charge only lasts for a few minutes - and that's in a slow-charging Bolt, limited to 50 kW. That's because my typical use case doesn't require charging to full, or even 80%, but rather, pulling up to a charge 50 miles from home with 50 miles of range, and simply wanting enough of an energy buffer to make it home reliably and safely. Once I'm home, I can use my much-cheaper home charger to charge up the rest of the way. For charge stops this short, the only amenity I really care about is a restroom, and for this purpose, a gas station charger is good enough. Of course, gas station chargers are not for all use cases - if I did not have home charging, and needed to rely on public charging for all of my driving, I would focus more on what's nearby that I can walk to, so I can plug in longer and have stuff to do. But, for quick charges at the end of a road trip, gas station chargers are perfect.
@AJourneyOfYourSoul
@AJourneyOfYourSoul Жыл бұрын
They should make it so you just pull in to the parking spot and it automatically connects from underneath. Then make it so every single parking spot has a charger. Everywhere you park throughout the day is charging your vehicle. But we can’t even get reliable internet or cell coverage after 30+ years, so don’t hold your breath.
@Suspinded
@Suspinded Жыл бұрын
Gas stations make a lot more on convenience store margins than fuel sales. They'll need to start courting EV consumers. 90kW is rough, but more CCS stations that (might?) be maintained more frequently than current networks is a good thing long term.
@LannyKnight
@LannyKnight Жыл бұрын
Circle K has started rolling this out too. The Rock Hill, SC location has several chargers.
@jlujan4
@jlujan4 Жыл бұрын
Remember kids! kWh=/=kW. The first is a unit of energy and the second is a unit of power (energy over time)
@johnbronco8678
@johnbronco8678 Жыл бұрын
Honest question: Flo Chargers sponsors many (if not all) of your TFLEV videos, yet, I don't know that I've ever seen you use them (maybe on the Lighting to Alaska trip?). Are there no Flo Chargers in Colorado?
@deansmits006
@deansmits006 Жыл бұрын
Glad they did chadeno. I have a Leaf, and need a few more chargers in my area
@bill_heywood
@bill_heywood Жыл бұрын
Convenience shops seem an ideal place for EV chargers, they have parking plus other facilities. As stated, a canopy over the EV chargers is a no brainer. The issue in getting the cable to reach seemed to be parking about 5 miles away from the charger 😉 Yes, they need more than 90kW chargers, if the local grid is the issue, they should get battery storage
@dr.x4050
@dr.x4050 Жыл бұрын
Little Chocolate Donuts, the breakfast of champions. 👍
@scottkempton6085
@scottkempton6085 Жыл бұрын
1) Had he parked closer than 3' from the parking stops, the cable would have reached easily 2) he's exactly right about the charging stations NOT being covered, like gas pumps are. Why is that? 3) I agree that charge port location should be standardized. By not having a standard, EV manufacturers are building in a barrier to adoption.
@matthewhuszarik4173
@matthewhuszarik4173 Жыл бұрын
I am wondering why the big box stores with a lot of parking don’t put chargers in? It would give them another revenue stream and draw people to their stores while also enticing to stay in their stores longer.
@jowarrior
@jowarrior Жыл бұрын
Its all about ROI (return on investment) an Installation of a 100kw charging station is about $200k at current market price. Also they might not be equipped to provide that load currently, requiring more investment. So a small 4 charger stall can easily go to 1+ million in investment. The math might not add up.
@fleecystheking
@fleecystheking Жыл бұрын
Will you report on this charger @ Rate Your Charge? Would be nice!
@bigdougscommentary5719
@bigdougscommentary5719 Жыл бұрын
Two round trips to Missouri and a cross country round trip in 2019.
@Scott-sm9nm
@Scott-sm9nm Жыл бұрын
8:30 parking fail caused cord not to reach easily hassle. Looks like you were easily 3 feet from the bollard in front of the charger.
@kevindavis8143
@kevindavis8143 Жыл бұрын
I cannot recall the last time I saw advertised peak charging, they always seem throttled. Also, we know by now that peak speeds bring heat and therefore wear so we need to concentrate on the charge curve. Last, to your first point, EA is always down. That said, I'm fine with 711 at 90kw... as long as 90kw is reliable. Plus you get windshield wash stations, garbage cans, restrooms, and quick food.
@jcferg3370
@jcferg3370 Жыл бұрын
Another great video! While not the best, at least they are smart enough to offer it, because you and anyone else are more likely to spend $$ in their store when plugged in there. I’m waiting for a Pilot or Loves gas stations to add chargers in bulk. That would be a traveling game changer.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Large travel centers are ideal for EV charge stations.
@PresidentCamacho24
@PresidentCamacho24 Жыл бұрын
I agree. The charging port should be in the middle on the front of every car.
@krane15
@krane15 Жыл бұрын
California has a plan to go EV universally. The only problem is, the grid can't support the state's current electricity requirements. My area experienced half a dozen blackout/brownouts this winter. Even more disappointing, the majority of electricity is still generated using fossil fuels. Gasoline works 99% of the time. In fact, I could the number of times on one hand in the last 20 years. I think I had an issue with my credit card, and in that case I just drove across the street. BTW, I didn't even know they still made Volvos or that people still drove them.
@NanoSchaap
@NanoSchaap Жыл бұрын
Love your TFLC jacket Roman.
@craigbucci7950
@craigbucci7950 Жыл бұрын
The only way electric vehicles will work is if every gas station has DC fast charging options before fully removing the gas pumps in the future at some point. Then make them strictly charging stations. This will make ev’s more reliable especially for long road trips.
@scubatrucker6806
@scubatrucker6806 Жыл бұрын
I think travel stops should put in charging ports. Like Loves, T/A ,Pilot, Flying J ,Petro and Sinclair..👍👍
@Light23K
@Light23K Жыл бұрын
I worked for Shell gas before and they told me right off the bat they only make Pennies on the gallon and makes the majority of their money on store sales.
@tylergodefroy8713
@tylergodefroy8713 Жыл бұрын
sounds perfect for the bolt
@dathyr1
@dathyr1 Жыл бұрын
One thing I see with public charging stations is the cost compared to do charging at home. Do they also throw any taxes on doing public charging???? Yes, sitting around for 50-60 minutes waiting for the EV to charge up is kind of a pain. And like you said, buying stuff in store while you wait. Best to bring your own snacks along with you when doing public charging, save a little bit of unnecessary money. Then you worry about charging stations even working or broke. The life of long trip traveling with an EV vehicle is not all that rosy. If and when I get an EV vehicle, I will mainly charge it at home for doing around town driving or short single charge driving. Also cost should be cheaper at home.
@patrickmay8261
@patrickmay8261 Жыл бұрын
The power infrastructure for DCFC is way higher. Your house probably has a 200A 120/240 service. That panel on the side of your house you can pick up for less than $500 at Lowes. Most DCFC over 30kW are 480V. You're looking at several thousand dollars for the switchboard. Probably $10k at the minimum for most stations and it could be higher depending on the electric utility requirements. And those chargers are like $60k or more, each. Like any other business you have to factor in those capital costs to install the charger over an expected lifetime, plus the electrical infrastructure and then buy the power for the power company and then pay your transaction costs. This is why you rarely see canopies over chargers. Those canopies are not cheap.
@thayne559
@thayne559 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if there are any perks to using the app? It would also be nice if they included a Tesla plug since there are more Tesla's on the road than all other ev's combined.
@nc3826
@nc3826 Жыл бұрын
It's Elon fault for sticking with a proprietary standard, and not adopting the regional standard.... Like they had to do in Europe and in China
@thayne559
@thayne559 Жыл бұрын
@@nc3826 Except its an open standard and is superior to ccs or chademo.
@nc3826
@nc3826 Жыл бұрын
chademo??? Apparently you're stuck in Japan..... And it only seems open and superior to delusional Kool-Aid drinking fanbois.... But most importantly it's too little too late....
@nc3826
@nc3826 Жыл бұрын
Magic Dock is the half ass, compromise that Elon, decided to offer to North America....,
@nc3826
@nc3826 Жыл бұрын
real solution is battery swapping....
@777Outrigger
@777Outrigger Жыл бұрын
Hint for Tesla. Before you open a busy station to CCS cars, put longer cables in first ..... before opening them to CCS EVs. Two chargers being blocked by one CCS EV is not acceptable at a busy station. And you CCS drivers be creative in your parking. 😀
@jbmcdoogle
@jbmcdoogle Жыл бұрын
Anytime I've gotten that error on EA it's usually because of poor cell service so I have to swipe my card and it will work. The problem with that is that swiping my card doesn't connect with my account so I lose the discount.
@DblOSmith
@DblOSmith Жыл бұрын
Yay for CC reader and potential ubiquity. Boo for slower speed, being uncovered, not pull thru, and possible lack of reliability with using hardware manufacturers that aren't known for reliability. I'm more interested in some of the more reliable European companies trying to come to the US. PS: I would be much happier if gas stations converted 2 out of their 8 pumps to EV. That would make so much more sense.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 Жыл бұрын
There are a few issues with chargers at gas stations. One is the toxic fumes. They are very unhealthy to breathe and carcinogenic to boot. In some states there are signs posted saying Do not stay near the pumps longer than necessary. Maybe some liability issues involved. (I suspect that played a role in how quickly and completely the "full service" station disappeared back in the '70s) Another issue could be the perceived fire risk. Gas stations already blow up pretty much every day. Owners are unlikely to want to add any kind of high voltage operation into that volatile environment. Not that I think there's any added risk, but some gas station owners would likely have that in the back of their mind.
@matthewprather7386
@matthewprather7386 Жыл бұрын
Gas stations have some downsides too… Different price for cash , check. You have to go into the store to pay, check. Can only pay cash during business hours, check. Lock the pumps at night, check. Slow pumping when the station is busy, check. Water or other contaminants in the fuel, check. Gas pumps out of order, check. Having to buy ethanol in your gas because of ag lobbyists, check. Not being able to make your fuel at home, check. Roman, doesn’t that Volvo have a backup camera? Seems you could have used that to get a bit closer to the dispenser.. Gas car manufacturers can’t agree on which side of the car gets the gas cap.. I actually enjoyed this video, but it’s fun to rip on it too. 🙃
@russellschundler6559
@russellschundler6559 Жыл бұрын
A 4WD Lyriq is on the way. Meanwhile, I’ve rented Tesla’s when I travel to learn the charging culture/strategies. For me, having an iPad Mini in the car gives me new time to read the WSJ or learn from KZbin channels. I would love NOT having to use a credit card, but I do like making all payments with an Apple Watch!😊
@gregvalunas6342
@gregvalunas6342 Жыл бұрын
YAY 7-11!! And BTW, our Tesla only charges at about 78kWh in the cold also, when we haven't pre-conditioned the battery, which I assume you didn't, so that 78 sounds right to me. Not sure if the Volvo pre-conditions, but if it does, maybe try again.
@johnnyViDeO
@johnnyViDeO Жыл бұрын
I think the chargers will be built primarily at gas stations, most of which have convenience stores and restrooms. Opening up the Tesla network will make a huge diffence, and piss off Teslarati who might have to wait for the Chevy Bolt to finish up. I wonder how soon these charging companies will up their costs......
@the_jarmel
@the_jarmel Жыл бұрын
Addicted as always TFL ... 😊...HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE ✌️
@briantaylor1945
@briantaylor1945 Жыл бұрын
Long distance charging is very risky in an EV until there's an overlapping network of charging networks. It will remain one of the biggest barriers to non-Tesla EV adoption until it's addressed.
@deansmits006
@deansmits006 Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of households with 2 cars, and a garage or driveway for charging. I wish now people would consider lower range EVs (200 miles or less) for a commuter and around towner, and have a gas car for the 2nd. Then replace the gas car once the car range improved or charging network improved.
@Gurule
@Gurule Жыл бұрын
I personally dont think the screen is necessary. I think you should either entirely use the app. Or, have it like a vending machine where the words pop up on a little tiny screen above/on the credit card reader that say, 1. connect your car, 2. swipe card. Info about the charge can be found on your vehicles screen or app, so I dont really need to see that. Maybe an out of order light would be cool too
@miodice3
@miodice3 Жыл бұрын
I think the roof is driven by fire code. They have huge fire suppression systems in there
@yacahumax1431
@yacahumax1431 Жыл бұрын
You have to put the car closer to the charge station. You had plenty of space.
@todddunn945
@todddunn945 Жыл бұрын
Not much of an option here on the Maine coast. The closest 7-11 is 160 miles away and is a 2h45m drive on a good day.
@therodfather916
@therodfather916 Жыл бұрын
I would totally go into the store for snacks and a newspaper
@DougGrinbergs
@DougGrinbergs Жыл бұрын
10:49 penalty for a violation is a $150 fine and a $32 surcharge.
@bigdougscommentary5719
@bigdougscommentary5719 Жыл бұрын
Tesla has it right with the charge port in the rear. You don’t have to back out into traffic when done. Your backing up is done where NO traffic is s problem.
@COSolar6419
@COSolar6419 Жыл бұрын
I have always heard that gas stations make most of their profits off in store sales not the fuel. EV charging stations should also have covered dispensers, like most gas stations. Not even Tesla does that. Circle K is supposedly doing the same thing at their stores.
@matthewhuszarik4173
@matthewhuszarik4173 Жыл бұрын
90Kw actually can be much better than a 150Kw or even a 250Kw charging station. This is because charging stations are rated by peak charging rate not average charging rate. A 90Kw charger that averages 90Kw over the entire charging duration is better than a 150Kw charger that peaks at 150 Kw but only for a few minutes and then drops below 50Kw for a majority of the charging time.
@dennislyon5412
@dennislyon5412 Жыл бұрын
90 kw charger also drops off as car charges.
@matthewhuszarik4173
@matthewhuszarik4173 Жыл бұрын
@@dennislyon5412 In his example it didn’t. The reason high power chargers ramp down is because of heat build up in the batteries. A 90Kw charger would build up less heat so it could remain at peak charging much longer and the vehicles battery cooling solution would be much more capable of keeping up with it.
@jeffreyspencer4005
@jeffreyspencer4005 Жыл бұрын
The car is what controls the power going into it, NOT the charger. The car cannot always take as much power as the charger is capable of. Volvos only maintain a maximum of 155kW for a very short time and at very low state of charge upon starting charging. They will spend a lot of time between 90 and 50kW depending upon state of charge. So they are slow charging vehicles not well suited to road-tripping.
@matthewhuszarik4173
@matthewhuszarik4173 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyspencer4005 My comment was in general and not specific to Volvos. The comment that the car controls the charge rate is partially true the charging system also monitors temperatures of its components and will limit charging if they get to hot.
@richfarfugnuven6308
@richfarfugnuven6308 Жыл бұрын
I have always thought that charging stations should have large roofs with solar panels to offset all of the electricity going out...
@LafemmebearMusic
@LafemmebearMusic Жыл бұрын
I’ve thought this too but a different channel I watch transport ev talked about a study published that showed the offset of solar installation costs plus the station installation cost vs the power captured is just not cost effective. Good idea in theory though.
@richfarfugnuven6308
@richfarfugnuven6308 Жыл бұрын
@LeahAnn Lafemmebear Music Mitchell maybe as panels become more efficient?
@patrickmay8261
@patrickmay8261 Жыл бұрын
@@LafemmebearMusic exactly. Most people just don't see to get how expensive construction is. I've seen a couple EA stations (Kettleman City, CA and Baker, CA) with canopies though. Kettleman is a small carport style canopy. Baker looks like a traditional fueling station. They do have solar but really that solar is just spitting in the wind for what a single charger will transfer.
@gregkramer5588
@gregkramer5588 Жыл бұрын
I see a few in DFW. None in Minnesota where I travel to :-( So far!
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