It’s The Superchargers, Stupid | In Depth

[@InvestingCatalysts]

the best explanation I have ever heard for tapering of charging is that power entering the battery is like cars entering a parking lot. If the lot is empty, everyone can funnel in pretty fast. But when there are only a couple spots left, they must drive around to find those spots. And the more spots full, the more it slows down. An EV salesman named ELON explained that in an interview.

[@HenryLoenwind]

I like to compare it to pouring Coke (or beer, if you like that). Into an empty glass you can go full speed, but near the to you better slow down or the foam will make big mess on your table.

[@dlm4587]

Awesome analogy!

[@DavidAJaap]

Wow! I learned more about the charging networks in this 45 minutes than I did in the last year reading articles. Excellent episode, thanks guys!

[@icosthop9998]

Agree

[@steveo1574]

This has been on of the best in depths I've seen from this channel. I'd throw this in the top 5 for sure.

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

"One of the best"?? I would say the only one, where are the others?? There just isn't a better one... no?? Tell me.

[@Crunch_dGH]

I’d be surprised if this isn’t their most watched episode, ever! As a matter fact, if Aptera is not able to adopt Tesla supercharging, I will likely not be able to follow through with my reservation. However, with Superchargers now being made “public,” plus my Aptera solar panels & 600 miles range rating, the concern is basically eliminated. As a Tesla owner, I’d be surprised if Tesla didn’t treat my Aptera similarly, from an accounting & priority perspective.

[@ekrajb123]

I've had my Model 3 for 2 years by now and the only time I've ever had a poor charging experience was when I had to visit a non-Tesla charging station. Exactly as you described it; a location with TWO stalls, and not even both fastcharging. Nono, one was 50kw (obviously taken) and the other was 11kw. Stuck on 11kw for the first 20 minutes, then could move to the 50kw after fiddling with a new charging app for 5-10 minutes... Can't wait till Tesla gets their charging station in that region of my country (crossing my fingers for that Q2 2022 ETA)

[@ekrajb123]

@@makesaveinccomm I live in Denmark, so not in the US

[@environmentalcanadian2338]

From a current 2017 Bolt Owner, and future 2022 Tesla Model Y owner, that was an EXCELLENT show. You were spot on with every point you made. I don't road trip very far from home in my Bolt. I'm going on a road trip across Canada as soon as I get my Model Y this August. Thanks guys, Calvin. 👍

[@damen7634]

Do a full charge in Brandon, Manitoba, going to White wood Saskatchewan. Or other way around. One of the most range anxiety places When going back and fourth between Winnipeg and Regina.

[@environmentalcanadian2338]

@@damen7634 Thank you for the heads up. 👍

[@vpbandhist]

The Bolts biggest issue is the 55kWh maximum charging speed, not the chargers….

[@pickensprofits]

I've been saying this forever. All these cars may be wonderful, but only Tesla has figured out that you have to build the charging infrastructure at the same time. None of these other companies have even STARTED thinking about this. Maybe they think the Government will fix it...

[@nafnaf0]

The government will just make a hash of it. If you think Electrify America is bad, anything gov run will be 3 times as bad

[@kylebeetham3679]

Yep it’s a big problem, with the massive ramp in EV demand the charging infrastructure needs serious attention

[@wertigon]

No, big Oil is starting to get nervous. Shell, BP and others have started to massively build out superchargers. Meanwhile a lot of restaurants are starting to wake up and smell the coffee. Like, literally. "Come to us, we got chargers AND hot coffee!" they say. :) Do remember, in Europe CCS is mandated, so even the Tesla SCs has a CCS plug. That said, there is a *lot* of more money in chargers and solar than there is in the car market. So Tesla could easily use chargers as drivers for their other operations.

[@pickensprofits]

@@wertigon I wish it were so in America... having grown up overseas I see a lot of other countries that have figured this out already, for some reason our nation has not figured this out yet.

[@jimwhitehead1532]

The US govt. takes years to build just one bridge or tunnel at high prices. Can you imagine the nightmare of a broken govt. charging system?

[@brianmurray2687]

OMG - thank you for headlining this (though you've said it many times before). I've said this to my GM/Ford loving friends many times - who keep repeating "Just you wait..." - that the SC network was the key. Tesla has it - they don't, and it can't be rolled out in a year.

[@crazycoolclips]

It can't be rolled out in FIVE years... for one simple reason they covered in this video, the people making such decisions for GM, Ford, etc. don't get it. As for the government and its Infrastructure Bill that is supposed to help develop it, I know too well about government red tape, and lowest Bidder winning the contract... as I said it won't be rolled out for FIVE years. It will be that long before there is anything functionally sound that people can use nationwide. Anyone buying anything other than a Tesla that needs long distance travel ability before then will regret it.

[@GenuineFlolie]

My boss bought an Audi e-tron but due to several bad charging experiences he wants to sell it and go back to ICE. If only he listened to my advice. Sigh

[@rboz4637]

Knew a guy that was Audi fan-boy and bought the e-tron - sold at a big loss a few months later for the same reasons.

[@philippe146]

I have an e-Tron, but I'm in Montreal we have changes all over Quebec never had one not work on me

[@GenuineFlolie]

I don't think that it is Audi specific, its just that the quality and service of non-Tesla chargers in general is lacking. It takes only a few bad experiences to spoil the whole thing

[@AWESEM0]

THEY NEVER LISTEN!!!!

[@timchow924]

@@GenuineFlolie and Tesla has service engineers to fix them when someone cuts the cord on them

[@it89]

Tesla without superchargers would be like "Now You Know" without Zac and Jesse.

[@pandamarine]

The video just plays, and we have to decipher what it means.

[@JonathanScott69]

About to buy my 3rd Tesla, my wife and I debated waiting for one of the new oem’s cars to come out but decided we couldn’t. The largest barrier was the super charger network, nobody else has one and it is that important to us. Other makers also don’t have the experience/software/engineering talent that Tesla does either. We just couldn’t take that chance on something we absolutely need to work.

[@cuppajoe2]

That’s the dream. What teslas do you have and which are you buying?

[@JonathanScott69]

Our first was a model s and now we have an X, about to get another X. When a cybertruck comes out we’ll most likely get one unless something changes.

[@cuppajoe2]

@@JonathanScott69 ah. Personally I don’t really like the model Xs interior (except for the model X plaid, it has a great interior). The model S is super nice as well. Good luck getting the new model X!

[@Leoappeared]

Tesla is opening the supercharging network to everyone this year

[@Glittersword]

@@Leoappeared If that is the case those other networks are screwed.

[@Ironman4297]

My favorite analogy I like to use when comparing charging networks to Tesla's is, you have two kids who need to clean their room. Sally: Who LOVES to clean, folds all her clothes, organizers her things, makes her bed, all nice and tidy. Billy: Who is just gonna shove all the clothes under his bed, throw his junk in a drawer and drape his blanket over his bed. Both rooms will "LOOK" clean, but only one is well organized and maintained.

[@shawnneichelberger6293]

The other chargers break as often as the McDonald's ice cream machine!

[@icosthop9998]

😳

[@DelPhonic1]

Feds should give their entire supercharger contract to Tesla to build for the rest of em all. The people shall then prosper.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Couldn't agree more.

[@Getupntravel]

Tesla doesn't need the feds. All the news articles "The only reason Tesla leads charging infrastructure is bc of the Government ".

[@robertskinner8477]

How about Tesla should obviate any Federal mis investment in that. Referee, no player on the field. Look at this charger-in-name only debacle Z&J elucidated

[@juliahello6673]

They won’t because of politics. And the EV movement will suffer.

[@jimjam36695]

I was gonna type this word-for-word.

[@cleanitup_pls7893]

This video is so informative and really important to anyone wanting to buy an EV. If you never go on a road trip I guess it doesn't matter but otherwise it is a no brainer to buy a Tesla over anything else. With other brands, think about range anxiety and then only having a 50/50 chance that a charging station is available and working when you get there and dealing with all the different networks?? Not happening for me, ever. As an investor, love another moat and this is one that after this video I can fully appreciate. Thanks Zack and Jesse.

[@LG123ABC]

Believe it or not, some people just don't like Teslas. I prefer a panel directly in front of the driver and body panels that actually fit well -- along with REAL door handles. The US government will eventually FORCE Tesla to open its network and switch to CCS connectors -- just like they did in Europe. Hide and watch.

[@ralphtisdale3428]

@@LG123ABC I own a BMW X5 and my wife (thinks she) owns a Model 3. The console controls (must look down) and ridiculous menu scrolling are impossible to safely and easily operate on the X5... the M3 screen is way, WAY more friendly and safer to operate, even for us tech-challenged septuagenarians. Can't wait to trade in my dinosaur X5 for a MXPlaid due soon...(you should consider buying one as it provides a "panel directly in front" with an even less obstructed view over the yoke!)... no more ICE vehicles for us and only Tesla will do, much for the reasons well stated here. ps: no build issues and zero problems with our 2018 M3 Dual Motor. (less my wife's curb rash issues).

[@paulchiu8853]

I was visiting my parent in Vancouver Canada during new year and I rented a mach e . What a horrible experience , I had to download an app to find the nearest charger and most of them are underground with no wifi reception . My friend literally have to follow me around to find a working charge station and I had to park the car there overnight to get it fully charged . Never again , I rather drive a gas car next time. I came back home and appreciate my model 3 much more

[@chrisose4585]

LA needs WAY more supercharger stations. I was at a 18 stall Tesla station in LA, first in line, and waited 30 minutes before someone finally pulled out

[@dr-k1667]

But did you have more options near you and are they building more? The answer is probably yes to both questions which is why it is better to have a Tesla than any other brand.

[@randomsonmymind6919]

39:00 funny you two talk about target and charging. The target near me has 4 charge point chargers with 2 hours of free level 2 charging. When I lived at my previous apartment building that didn't have a way to charge, I would go to target for a few hours every week just to charge my model 3. It was a huge waste of time and there aren't superchargers where I live (the first one in the state opened last December but it's far away from me) but it's free charging so I would do it. Target got a lot of money from me and my family because of this perk.

[@dennisflynn1664]

This is great if you’re one of the four people to get a spot but not so great if you drive there and the spots are taken for two hours or more.

[@randomsonmymind6919]

@@dennisflynn1664 Hey that definitely was the case. The store opened at 8 am but the chargers turned on at 7 am so on my days off I would go there by 7 am when all of the chargers were empty and just charge and wait, sometimes sleep or play games on the car screen or my phone.

[@LG123ABC]

You guys aren't thinking big enough. Target needs to install ROWS of chargers. Besides the cost of installation, a charger doesn't really cost them anything when it's just sitting there. Why not make EVERY parking spot a charging spot?

[@glsooter]

Our local grocery store Woodman's recently has a line of a dozen chargers of which some are 150+ kw even more than the originally installed chargers at the mall.

[@jonathanhart2840]

@@LG123ABC Because the cost of installation is not trivial. A single charger installed could cost over $100k. Having "rows and rows" of them could cost millions for one store. That is not trivial. Then you have to think of the time it will take to return that investment.

[@andrewcarr276]

I'm still driving a 2013 Leaf. I love electric but I've had some pretty bad experiences with chargers. The worst being a return from the airport at 10 pm at night and hunting down a charger in a dark empty parking lot which appeared to be cordoned off. Fortunately the rope gate was dumby locked and we got in. But then 4 of us spent 30 minutes in the dark and cold waiting to top off enough to get home. There were chargers near the airport but they were either gated or were shut off at night.

[@skyemalcolm]

@@WattsToFreedom I own a 2012 LEAF I bought used a year ago. Would love to buy a Tesla. But it’s an order of magnitude more expensive vs what I paid for the LEAF. It’s Great that used LEAFs and some of the other older EVs out there exist. It serves a part of the market that will never be addressed by new cars until and unless you start seeing the super cheap Chinese EVs here in volume.

[@andrewcarr276]

@@WattsToFreedom Absolutely!

[@skyemalcolm]

@Phil Sr best advice I can give you is to read up on The LEAF Spy app. Download it and buy a $30 Bluetooth or wifi OBD 2 dongle. With that app on your phone and the dongle plugged into any LEAf you’re thinking about buying you have instant scans of the battery state of health, the number of rapid charges and slow charges over the life of the car. Also be realistic about the range. Whatever the dashboard mileage range claim is it will go down in winter if you use more heat. It will go way down if the the mileage estimate was based on city driving and your commute is all fast highway speeds. A used, fairly run down Battery on a leaf May just keep going but if won’t magically grow back new range. If you’re in the country and want to drive 70-100 miles without charging you need to be looking for a modern example of the leaf with a 40 or 62kwh pack. The 26 kWh leafs with degradation might only be good for 30-40 miles. And for some folks that’s fine, just depends on where and for how far you’re driving it.

[@ecoandrei328]

>Chevy Bolt has 55kw charging speed Wow, Mary you led the way.

[@LG123ABC]

I don't think she was CEO when the Bolt was developed.

[@ecoandrei328]

@@LG123ABC It's a joke

[@mikefanchin]

Shortly after I got my model 3, I offered to take my friend who was visiting from Germany To visit his sick father In Sacramento California about 431 miles from Mission Viejo. I had never driven there before but Tesla did all of the thinking for me. I simply put in the destination address and it routed me to all of the necessary charging stations and got me to Sacramento with absolutely no problems whatsoever with charging. Every charging station except for 1 had every convenience that you could want to visit while your car was charging for 25 minutes.. The one place we stopped I think it was in Goleta there was nothing it must have been an emergency Tesla installation point to get you between 2 regular facilities because there was nothing there except for restrooms. Tesla installed restrooms!

[@JeffJacquesmd]

Complete agreement. The charging network is a huge difference maker. It's also a nearly frictionless process to supercharge.

[@RichardJOberle]

You covered some great material here. I live in Wisconsin. Here is my dilemma. I can easily drive 400 miles some days going to random places, and I am pretty sure there are not even Telsa super chargers in these rural areas were I drive, which is why I really need that 500 mile range CyberTruck or we need gas stations to start putting in chargers like they are doing over seas. I want an electric vehicle and I want that 500 mile range CyberTruck. All these super chargers are great for Interstate planned routes, we need more chargers EVERYWHERE!

[@LG123ABC]

I agree with you on everything but the Cyber Truck part. The Cyber Truck looks like an oversized doorstop to me. But to each his own.

[@toddhebel6048]

you bought the wrong vehicle, my friend for this type of daily driver

[@SmokinPaul]

I live in Wisconsin and don't find it that inconvenient. You do have to top off before heading out but you can also find other level 2 chargers using the PlugShare app. More superchargers have just been put in the state with more on the way. Then in the pinch you can always plug into any 120v/240v outlet using the charging cable that comes with the car, however I've never come close to needing to do that. By the time CyberTruck gets here there will be many more supercharger locations in the state. However for towing and other reasons I can't wait til my CyberTruck order is filled. Can't wait to upgrade to the new quad motor variant. 🙂

[@dennisolsen8945]

Same situation in North and South Dakota. It’s common to drive to a location 100 miles away with no supercharger in sight. The true ranges of our Model 3 and Model Y are 200-250 miles depending on speed and temperature. I have to visit a couple places next week that are about 100 miles away and about 10 miles apart. Since I can’t count on the Model Y to make the round trip, I’ll have to go 30 miles out of the way to charge. Overall it will add an hour to the trip on a busy day. I have a Cybertruck in order to get the 500 mile stated range so I can count on 350 miles of range at Interstate speeds during the winter. Someone should come up with a Tesla-sanctioned plan to install additional battery capacity in the trunk or frunk. Tesla won’t do it because they have a California mentality and don’t understand living in rural America.

[@SmokinPaul]

@@dennisolsen8945 adding that much weight in the frunk or trunk would cripple handling and probably make the car dangerous to drive. No different than putting a gasoline tank in your trunk or back seat. Batteries hold a a lot of power just like gas with more weight. We never had much trouble in South Dakota although we took advantage of destination chargers to fill the gaps. If you speed, 90+, the mileage drops just like any car. Of course as far as going over the speed limit I can't confirm or deny that ever happened. LOL ;-) I'm waiting for my Cybertruck as well but by the time I get it the number of chargers will have tripled making the long range mostly moot. FYI Tesla is in the process of tripling it's supercharger network over the next 2 years. There are always other slower level 2 chargers around too. P.S. we have a long range model Y, 326+ mile range... at the speed limit. 😁

[@AmosOfSynhome]

I own two EV's both with max 50kW charging speeds and I can confirm the charging experience is not good. When Ford (the politician not the car company) was elected premiere of Ontario, he cancelled financial support for EV charging. The local charging network went bankrupt and my Ioniq couldn't even make it to the city in the winter. So I bought a used Bolt (because I couldn't afford a Tesla) and that solved the problem. The Bolt has the range to make it to the city and back even in winter. From the city I can catch a train or plane to most anywhere I want to go. From my point of view trains are fully self driving (I can just sit and read or work while another intelligence does the driving) so that works for me. And despite Ford, the public EV charging network has improved a lot since 2019. This summer I plan to go on an adventure and drive my Bolt to Halifax. A Better Route Planner says I have a lot of options. But ABRP keeps making plans like a Tesla driver would make. Drive until you have as little as 10% state of charge before you charge. I know that won't work on the public charging infrastructure. You need to arrive with enough power to make it to two more charging stations along your route so that if the one you plan to use is dead or occupied you can skip it and go to the next.

[@Itayc1]

You forgot to mention that while clicking on the Superchager icon on the car map and all stalls are occupied, the system is indicating whether you have a short/long wait.

[@jaykay1852]

You guys are exactly right. I’m a 2018 Model 3 owner, soon to be in a 2022 Model Y (in June). I used to be apprehensive about road tripping in my M3. After four ~600 mi. round trips, I am now very confident. The only worry I have left is destination charger availability in certain locations. Yeah, it only means I have to plan trips more carefully where I ensure there are options. I found the other “fast charging” networks “Suck” (yes, with a capital S) and ran into the same frustrations as you guys had. Tesla is so much Better (yes, with a capital B). Thank you guys for posting this, especially after you slammed them badly on service.

[@paycheckvomitthorax]

I Supercharge my model Y 5 days a week at a Tesla Supercharger 115 miles from home. I grab coffee and a snack at the Quick Check on the same premises and hit the road…. and it’s been a flawless experience every single time. I couldn’t be happier.

[@skipwoodson]

Without the supercharger network owning a Tesla would be like getting on a super train bound for Miami before the tracks are laid

[@harkinsaquatics]

Having a universal standard plug would also help. Sometimes, you don't even know what plug that charger will have.

[@-shaquille-9156]

This is what should be done

[@petersachs764]

@@-shaquille-9156 that is why in Europe the Tesla stalls have CCS connectors. Europeans don't put up with proprietary plug types like they do in the USA.

[@harkinsaquatics]

@Peter Sachs absolutely agree the real question is which plug is the most future proof. (I.e. what plug will be capable of 500kw, which has the lowest issue with downtime.) At this point, I believe it to be the Tesla plug and not CCS. That being said, I could be wrong.

[@casperhansen826]

@@harkinsaquatics the Tesla plug is not future proof, it gets quite hot at 250 kW and that is why they are going to be changed soon even in USA.

[@The_DuMont_Network]

@@casperhansen826 Please cite the authority for this comment.

[@manupupule]

You guys made up my mind, I was on the fence about the rivian truck or wait for the cyber truck to come out. Now I am 1000% going to get the cyber truck because of the charging network. I might even invest in an airstream trailer and put solar panels on the top and a power wall battery in it so I can charge from anywhere !

[@TheKevlar]

Without supercharges, it is like owning a muscle car and having no hi-octane gas pumps to fuel it

[@LG123ABC]

That actually happened in the late 1970s.

[@pandatactical4530]

If the auto OEMs were smart they would start installing chargers at all their dealerships. Customers would have more charging options and more traffic at the dealers would lead to more sales.

[@ryanhockley3140]

I've always wondered why they don't this. I would even go so far as to encourage all OEM's(even Tesla) to swing in and charge. To have a potential customer on your lot for 20-30 minutes browsing while they charge is perfect. The charger would be paying back the dealership with free pre-approved customers.

[@gaydybwad1321]

Good idea, but: However, most of the dealerships are not on major roads, rather in towns out of your way. Most dealerships are not near shopping or restaurants.

[@Lovingkindness.]

Because the dealerships won’t likely be there.

[@elainebradley8213]

GM is planning on doing that from what I've heard. I looked at the Bolt as we've had good service here in Gore Bay. But when we looked at charging issues we booked a tesla. Excitedly waiting for our car.

[@lanzer22]

Nissan actually started with that. Many dealerships have DC fast charging, but they have only one charger, it’s always used as they have electric cars coming off the lot, and many have operating hours. They tried but obviously didn’t think this through

[@2pdlpwr]

Thank You. This is one of your best episodes. I want to share this with all my friends. Really great, and informative. Why I should have bought a TESLA, instead of a bolt EV

[@techxsplorer5081]

Love your content very informative 👌 keep up the good work guys! Thanks!!

[@cusman]

Driving Tesla Model 3 since 2018. Have driven 3000+ mile road trips multiple times in it. I have also driven many other EV and tried non-Tesla charge stations both with my Tesla and other EV cars and what keeps me from buying one of the other EV cars is that they won't work with Tesla Supercharger network. It is true that over 95% of all my Tesla charging is at home, but to buy any other EV, I'd have to be 100% confident that I will not use that vehicle outside of my home to destination (and back) driving range. All the information provided in this video is spot on.

[@evdave528]

Very well done, you hit the nail in the head!

[@undergroundsubs9681]

2 more 14 bay charging stations just completed here in north central Austin and most recent 969 & toll road 130 Wich is 2 miles from the new giga plant.

[@dhincks1]

Absolutely as an ev driver & formerly non Tesla OMG the stress of charging on trips was a whole bunch of planning and then getting there and the car refusing to take a fast charge now a 2-hour trip turns into four or five. Not so when driving a Tesla I don't even think about or plan where I'm going to charge I look at the options the Tesla gives me automatically when I set up the map for my final destination. I sometimes alter it because it's easier to stop a few more times for 10 or 15 minutes to take advantage of The Sweet spot a fast charging and like you said 10 or 15 minutes is enough time to go to the bathroom get a cup of coffee maybe a hamburger and off you go. Easy peasy.

[@SmokinPaul]

Exactly the experience we've had. First long trip I was worried about charging and after a few hundred miles realized how awesome the supercharger network is. Now the other charging networks are backups just in case we need juice and a supercharger isn't working. We've never needed to use a backup, the Tesla network has never let us down. Only once did we find a station down, someone backed into a charger and shut down the entire station. I stopped to top off because I was doing 10 over (90 mph) and wanted a reserve. Instead we just kept going and arrived with 5% left. Had we really needed to we would have found a level 2 charger using the PlugShare app. The next day on the way back we stopped by the broken charging station and it was already fixed up and running. That never happens on the other charging networks. We've made many cross country trips since. The Tesla supercharging Network makes it easy peasy lemon squeezy. 😁 Much better than gassing up an ICE car.

[@jelybrd]

I'm actually on a road trip today. Drove 9 hours. Stopped to charge and had lunch at a sit down restaurant. Stopped at another and walked around a casino (you can guess where I'm at). It was a great day for the whole family which is strange for nine hours of driving

[@brucec954]

I have been surprised that other car makers haven't joined EA and help build it out. It's almost like they don't want EV's to succeed?

[@lesstevens2370]

Well????? Lol gm gm gm ev1 😆 🤣 😂 😹

[@toddhebel6048]

they don't. Traditional auto makers are walking dead...most all of them

[@lionelwylie2326]

Watch the old documentary, "Who killed the electric car". Then you will know that that legacy auto do not want EVs to succeed. Even now most of legacy auto wish they could close their eyes and EVs would just go away.

[@DBML1]

This is one of the best shows you guys have ever done. Thank-you for this.

[@heimbad]

A Tesla without the superchargers network would be like... - A hospital without nurses - A Super Bowl without beer/snacks - A BBQ without a propane tank - A house with no water heater - A mouse with no buttons - A restroom with no toilet paper (at least for North Americans anyway) and, best of all: - KZbin without a Now You Know channel - A Tesla community without no Zac & Jesse ;-))

[@ivonleeiv5901]

"NOWYOUKNOW:" gentlemen - the production and value of your work is self evident (I know that you know that already)...but todays segment " It's the supercharges, Stupid" was soo good. I almost pulled the trigger on a Polestar 2 last year because I didn't want to wait for a Model S build and I have had a Cybertruck on ordered for over a year now. But because of the problems associated with the electrify America network.... I didn't take delivery of the very nice Polestar 2 that I ordered...(if it didn't help that the Volvo dealership didn't properly follow through with the delivery either). You know......I kept hearing and watching on various podcasts on youtube about poor charging throughput.....NO charging available oftentimes....poor locations and the fact and coupled with my desire to travel around America that I am currently cruising around in a beautiful 2019 Corvette Grand Sport.....I really like this "ice" car and the ability to "Fill er up" when I need or want and ....you can't cruise the country very effeciently and carefree if you can't easily charge your EV. The proposition that was put forward that VW just had to find a way to spend 2 Billion without an effort to make sure it a worthwhile service for the consumer is starting to ring loud. I am sure that is part of the grand strategy to overtake Tesla. But they are not going to endear their brand in the minds of Americans if they followup with another F***up after the diesel debacle. TWO strikes......hope there is not a third ....for them. Now I Know (why). Go Tesla!

[@andyonions7864]

Imagine filling yer gas monster through a drinking straw. That's all the non-Tesla chargers for you.

[@loweryjk]

Well-written episode guys. All of your episodes are good, but this one stands out. Make more like this one. Thanks!

[@dennisflynn1664]

This is a great episode you guys. I stopped watching your channel for quite a while because of the silliness but this episode was packed with information and detail, much appreciated.

[@andyshsu]

One of the best episodes yet!!!

[@spotzfourme3743]

Absolutely. Incredible video. Great job!

[@mullholand]

I so hope Tesla doesn't open up the SC Network in the US.... it is such a huge advantage for Tesla / TSLA and my trips! I just drove from Key Largo to Indiana to Durango in 5 days.... the SC Network was epic as always!!

[@LG123ABC]

The US government will eventually FORCE Tesla to open the SC Network AND switch over to CCS -- just like in Europe. And that's a good thing!

[@mullholand]

@@LG123ABC That is a good thing if you don't have a Tesla. Do you know how easy it is to use the Tesla charger at home or any charger on a road trip? No BS - now data exchange issues - and ALWAYS - a one handed plug in / out.... the design for the Tesla connector is perfect. And The USA and EU couldn't be different. Nobody is coming in and telling a US company what they have to do with their charging network - nobody.

[@ArtiePenguin1]

Hopefully Tesla does open up their network. If they don't, then they won't get any subsidies since they are a closed network. But now with the current infrastructure, I think Tesla needs a CCS adapter more than it needs to open up their network to other cars. I-25 (except from ABQ to Denver), I-80, I-90, and I-94 are the last major gaps for non-Tesla DCFC stations and most of those corridors will be built out this year.

[@LG123ABC]

@@mullholand Nonsense! The US government tells companies what to do all the time! Remember, they're the ones with the guns.

[@adventofnull]

@@ArtiePenguin1 Tesla Korea released their CCS adaptor a few months back.

[@MusketPhotography]

There is an app called Bonnet in the UK that is sorting out not needed to have loads of different apps to charge on all the chargers. Meant to have all the chargers on one app. I’ve not fully tried it yet but it looks like it has most of the chargers on it and will be really good. Not sure if there is one in American or if they will come over. Thought you might be interested to know.

[@ngbc5342]

Guys, I live in the UK, and recently drove to the South of France in my new 60kWh ID4. The problems you highlight are exactly the same in Europe, the non-Tesla infrastructure is beyond bad, the various apps might as well be crystal balls, in a game Russian Roulette when it comes to finding a charger. Long distance journeying is a horror show Nick Cheyney

[@rbhebron]

..one of the key factor in a TESLA charging experience is the reliability of the charging stations.. another is the ease of charging process.. there are no screens, no buttons to push.. just plug it in, & the app tells you everything.. this is why TESLA charging station are very reliable.. very little point of failure.. hopefully the charging station installed on gas pumping stations also follows these protocols.. very little points of failure..

[@4QWzbaxSzUAq9]

one of the most useful videos you guys have done ...Bravo!

[@rmkep]

Great show and you nailed my reasons for having 2 Tesla's in the family

[@randoshanks]

Tesla’s without the SC network is like having a Lamborghini with no paved roads. Sure, you CAN drive it around, it just sucks to do so!!

[@TheNevawuz]

Or all you have is a trophy truck and all you have is paved roads. Sure you CAN drive on the road just replace the tires ever 500 miles... eww

[@andre495]

All my experiences are excellently expressed in this video. As a Tesla owner I never go to other charging stations anymore: always misery there. At Tesla stations: always quickly recharged.

[@Cars_and_Games]

Wow. Very comprehensive breakdown. Having owned a Model 3 for 3 years now I knew most of this. However, the lack of business viability of the other networks was news to me. I didn't realize how much of a loss they operate at.

[@kcharles4630]

Wow, great vid and really comprehensive and informative! I'll refer to this vid when explaining Tesla advantages over other EVs.

[@AWESEM0]

Uk has Tesla and non Tesla popping up everywhere, all supermarkets now have chargers and they now popping up randomly on city streets.. love it

[@10melvis]

I tried using only non tesla chargers for 1 month with my 2015 model S. Quit after 1 week because it was a terrible experience. Using evgo had to move my car to 3 different stalls for one to work. This is not even counting the higher cost of charging on non tesla stations.

[@GunPilot3000]

Correct me if I'm wrong but during the Superbowl I saw 6 EV ads. This makes the case of this video even more important. Where are all the chargers for these vehicles?

[@coyoteran]

Not going to lie. A big part of me and my SO taking the leap on a M3LR was the fact that they put a 6 stall level 3 Supercharger 800 yards from my house in a small city in Saskatchewan two years ago. I figured if they were going to build that in such a small market, the sky was the limit.

[@chrisheath2637]

Really good episode. Historically, car manufacturers just built cars, never filling stations, or road infrastructure. So as they transition to EVs, they don't think it's their job to sort out charging. "Some other company can do that, and we don't have to spend on it." A few minutes research on the internet is enough to realise that non-Tesla charging stations are essentially not good enough. I wonder how many people bought a Tesla over another OEMs, because of the Supercharger network, the ease of use, and the superior software interface with the information you need ?

[@dusty-vo8gh]

Shell has said that their charging business is on the verge of becoming profitable. They plan on adding 500 000 charging points by 2025. Oil companies will not roll over and die. They will transform their business to cater to the EV owners. One thing oil companies have in their favor is great realstate locations to install their chargers.

[@joesmith9483]

i think there will be charging stations at these gas stations.

[@LG123ABC]

@@joesmith9483 I think the gas pumps will eventually be swapped out for charging stations --- just like when we switched from leaded to unleaded gas back in the 1980s. The pumps all gradually changed over. First there were only one or two unleaded pumps and then after a few years they were all switched over.

[@Broliathos]

Price-tag for fuel today: 1 liter of diesel 2,30 euro - super is 2,50€ today - monthly cost for me to drive to work is 350€ a month, as of today. To pay for a credit to buy a used model 3 (35k, 20k km, 2019) is 400€ a month (balloon credit) - would safe tax, pay less insurance, too - it gets more and more attractive to buy a model 3 (new one not before 03/23 because of supply) No other charger is remotely capable. Tesla is the only option. And I am glad for it :D

[@joshhwa]

Love this channel. Every episode is well researched and fantastically presented. Well done guys

[@glennpenrose5646]

Brilliantly laid out for the layman. 👍

[@iowa_don]

If only they were growing the service centers at a fraction of the supercharger rate.

[@pbowcan4936]

I've been wondering if there has been a follow up to the service centre episode.

[@ihearttesla]

Tesla without its Supercharger Network is like winning the Powerball Jackpot, but diagnosed with a terminal illness the next day....

[@mikefucito6030]

Really good episode. Made me realize that I take the Tesla supercharger network for granted.

[@suunraze]

I put 3k miles Ubering in my Model 3 in January but only charged at home

[@Winterheart87]

This intro to In Depth was great! Loved how you guys jumped in with that fantastic music 💪😎

[@davidkendall2272]

We did a cross country trip in our Model S in September 2014 from Edmonds, WA to NYC to march in the Peoples Climate March, and then drove down the Jacksonville, FL and then back home. It was a bit challenging for portions of the trip without Superchargers installed in Montana along I-90, where we had to charge at RV parks at two locations and a fellow Tesla owners home in Bozeman, MT to get our car charged up. It was a lot of fun and the same trip today would be a piece of cake with the supercharging network very much expanded out. The superchargers in place in 2014 were exceptional and noteworthy for us.

[@jackcoats4146]

150KW is the speed that the White House calls 'new chargers' with 4 per 50 miles on the interstates. Then try to fill in to elsewhere. Yep, the infrastructure network is a handout to others. They also don't say what kind of charge rates in $/kwh.

[@jeroenkooman7328]

Cheeky intro and with the title like that, awesome! Love it already! Keep up the good show!

[@AlainFattal]

If I had not already bought my Tesla, I would have been convinced after watching this video. Great job guys!

[@dan203]

Gas stations make very little money off the actual fuel, only a few cents per gallon, they make the majority of their money from the convenience store. So a standalone charging station might actually work just fine. In fact if they offer a quick service restaurant, with places to sit, like a lot of truck stops have they could probably do quite well.

[@grettirgrattmards2348]

At a Tesla supercharger you pay for the kwh added to the battery while at most other station you pay for kwh consumed while charging so at a 150+ kw charger you're paying for the 10-13% losses.

[@acolon8999]

It depends on the State. In Georgia Tesla has a tier system and you pay by the time not by kilowatts. They have a tier 1 and tier 2 system depending on the charging speed and time spent.

[@grettirgrattmards2348]

@@acolon8999 isn't that because they're required by state law to have that billing structure? I feel like they'd do what they do everywhere else if they had the choice to.

[@acolon8999]

@@grettirgrattmards2348 That's correct. They are mandated by State law to charge by time on a few States. I can't remember which State but I read an article recently that explained how they were trying to pass a legislation that would prohibit the charging stations to use energy other than the one provided by the utility company. No solar panels allowed at charging stations to charge EVs and they were going to charge by the time not by kilowatts. I've noticed (at least in the State that I live in) that because the price of electricity produced by renewable is cheaper, new generation companies can provide a cheaper price per kilowatt (we can buy the electricity from multiple vendors in the State but the transmission fee we pay to the utility company that built and maintains the grid on each town). Also the number of household with solar panels continues to increase. Since the old utilities companies have to keep a low price to stay competitive, now they increased the transmission fee which can be almost as much as the price of kilowatts consumed. They figured out a way to start competitive while making as much if not more money than before. Your bill can be 7 cents for kilowatts consumed and 10 cents per kilowatt delivered as a transmission charge. Also by law we can't go completely off grid even if you have solar panels and storage at home. But at least it is just under $10 to stay on the grid. I hope they don't try to up the price on that next.

[@grettirgrattmards2348]

@@acolon8999The utilities will do whatever they can and lobby (bribe) whoever they have to to keep their anticompetitive practices going.

[@Geckogold]

Awesome episode. I remember some collaboration videos made by EV Dave and Kyle Conner from Out of Spec Motoring where Dave bought a Mach-E in I think Nebraska. He allowed Kyle to drive it for a few weeks, which allowed him to make some road trip videos. They then made another collaboration video where Kyle drove Dave's Model Y to his home in North Carolina, while Dave took the Mach-E. Even though Dave left an hour earlier, Kyle still managed to catch up to him due to the Mach-E needing more time to charge and having a steep cutoff in charging speed once it hit 80%, dropping to 12 kW, which is about the max charging speed you can get at home. They both also saw a lot of issues mentioned here where some of the Electrify America stalls were broken, forcing them to try a different one frequently. Kyle also did a video of the time needed to charge the Mach-E to 100% at a DC fast charger, and I think it took over two hours. If a Tesla took that long, at least you'd have some built-in entertainment options such as games or various video services like KZbin, Twitch, Hulu, Disney+, TikTok, and Netflix. And yes, you could just bring an iPad and achieve the same thing, but you'd have to plug it in, hide it or bring it with you every time you leave the car, and you'd need cell service or hotspot on your phone to get it to work. It's much more convenient when you could just open an app in the car's center screen. So bottom line, Zac and Jesse are very spot on with this analysis. I've watched numerous videos from others about their charging speeds/times, and they also seemed to run into these problems as well such as having to switch multiple stalls at Electrify America.

[@bobat37]

Tesla should send this to new buyers (and the current admin!). Great job!

[@icosthop9998]

Excellent idea I'd never knew how bad the other EV companies were trailing in this aspect of the EV world.

[@dmoku]

I've got to say Superchargers at Markville Mall, Markham , ONtario Canada mostly works okay but recently there has been some of them not working well and the connecting wires are sometimes falling out of the socket from the supercharger stall. I always have to put them back into the stall when I see them on the ground.

[@PatrickFungsca]

Correct me if I'm wrong in assuming that these Superchargers are mainly for road trips and not for everyday use (who's to say you can’t charge at a Supercharger everyday)? Charging at home is good enough right?

[@lanzer22]

Right. I haven’t used a public charging station for over a year due to COVID. Happy to drive with a full “tank of gas” every morning

[@jackdowden4943]

Tesla has slower 50kw Superchargers in many cities for people who live in apartments or condos with no charging. Usually at shopping malls so you can shop while you charge.

[@franciscortez205]

Right on point! So nice to just get in the car and say “Navigate to . . .” And done!!!!

[@Steve-du2ks]

All of this is true. I have two Teslas and have experienced all you have discussed. However, and I am probably not unlike most other drivers, I charge 99% of the time at home and only rarely need to charge on the road. I appreciate the supercharger network and it is convenient when on a trip but it is not a dealbreaker. Secondly, is the network growth keeping up with the massive past and future increases in Tesla production? Are they building fast enough to be ready for when Austin opens?

[@Bucket3Travel]

this is a home run show! couldn’t be any clearer

[@hjeffwallace]

I have 2 EV’s. I only charge at home. I love them, got them cheap! But this video gives me Tesla envy.

[@darmou]

I bought a Tesla because I wanted to explicitly go across country and it was the only brand in 2018 that allowed me to do that.

[@wlhgmk]

We have found, now that we have a greater range Leaf, we hardly ever use public charging. We charge from the solar panels at home.

[@bluetoad2668]

Public chargers are exactly the same here in Europe, even in big cities. Never had an issue at a Tesla charger in 3 counties over 2 years. I've seen people switch from pure EV to hybrid because of this issue (they couldn't go Tesla because of working for legacy auto 😂). The problem is that this problem hits you only when you're traveling far from home, precisely when you can't afford it to happen.

[@mr.z2087]

A Tesla without a supercharger is like Superman without his flight power.

[@jackcoats4146]

I thought I saw that BP said their EV charging is making more money than gas stations do per pump. Interesting. Yep, charging is one reason I got a Tesla MYLR over other.

[@petersachs764]

I don't understand how anyone can make money from selling electricity considering how expensive this 3-phase 480v infrastructure must be. I bet the average 6 stall E.A. site must cost a close to one million dollars.

[@whattheschmidt]

@@petersachs764 Having the user base and all of the data helps to build it out properly. Put in big batteries to limit demand charges and even out the load as much as possible. It is crazy to me how much more per kWh non Tesla chargers are, even ones that are only 50kW!

[@jackcoats4146]

@@petersachs764 Use 1 phase, charge batteries, make whatever you need to charge the cars. It's being done all the time. 3 phase may be more efficient, but if it is not 'easily' available, do what you must! Economics and the market will drive the sustainability of this endeavor in the long run anyway. Until recently, EVs were nowhere near parity with ICE vehicles, now they are and getting more so especially over the 'long run'.

[@yifanc54]

@@petersachs764It might not be that expensive, I heard that it was less than $300K for 3-phase 480v and eight 120KW stalls in Taiwan.

[@LG123ABC]

Actually, most convenience stores already make very little profit on the sale of gasoline. Selling you drinks and junk food when you come inside is where the real money is made. Since charging takes a little longer than refueling (and doesn't require you to stand there holding the nozzle) it should be even MORE profitable for convenience stores.

[@WordDefinition]

Wow. You guys are doing a great job. This video rocks. very informative.,

[@__-pl3jg]

A Tesla without a charging network is like a smart phone without an app store😉👉

[@pushisland5617]

i charge with chargepoint almost exclusively with my model 3 performance at work (50 cents an hour) .. i live in an apartment that has decided to not install chargers... i still only need to use superchargers on a road trip, or if i do a lot of hard acceleration over a weekend.. but the safety net of fast charging when not at work is definitely an advantage over other brands **tesla owner since march 2020

[@rogerboone1609]

I go back and forth from Florida to Vermont and we really count on the super charger network being at good locations and up and working. I will never buy any car but a Tesla!!!

[@Seanr4285]

How long is that taking you in real time? I'm picking up my model 3 long range awd this weekend and planning to drive it to Miami from nh and back next month.

[@rogerboone1609]

@@Seanr4285 we are retired so there is no rush. We take 2 nights and 3 days. Cost is less then $100. in charging. And your navigation will plan your trip so when you plug in your destination you will see all your stops and how long it will take. It's Amazing!!!

[@Seanr4285]

@@rogerboone1609 the plan is to take 2 days currently. Leave Saturday early morning and get there Sunday afternoon. Stop in North Carolina most likely. I've done the straight drive a couple times in my prius before.

[@rogerboone1609]

@@Seanr4285 how many gas stops? 2 drives? Not sounding like fun to me. Enjoy the car and have a good trip.

[@Seanr4285]

@@rogerboone1609 in the prius it was 3 fill ups. When gas was cheap that wasn't too expensive but I sold the prius. We thought about taking our suv but with buying the tesla this weekend, that will be the vehicle we take. Tesla says roughly 13 ish hours to North Carolina from nh. 15 from NC to Miami. I'm in my 30's so 12 hours or so of driving isn't too bad still for me.

[@patrickjennings460]

I visit Turning Stone Casino occasionally and they have 2 chargepoint stalls in their garage very conveniently located right next to the entry to the casino. Great. If one of those stalls is available. However, if in use, usually the owner leaves it there for the length of their stay rather than until fully charged. It is the best parking space in the garage.

[@FrankMcEnnis]

In Québec (Canada) it's almost the reverse story, we have a lot of high speed charger (min 50kw up to 350kw) all around the province and almost no tesla charger. Also the Circuit electrique national charging network is gov own and really cheap, 13 canadian dolar by hour for the 350kw.

[@martin3316]

Quebec is second only to Norway for charging non-TESLA EVs (CHAdeMO and CCS plug types). You have it lucky.

[@kennethreister7619]

@Now You Know Significant Model Y delivery date change. Order date October 30, 2021. Original delivery date September 2022, now April 11 - May 09 2022. I ordered Model Y long Range, White, Gemini Wheels, trailer hitch. Didn't select FSD

[@teenachristopherson8884]

The supercharger network is so darn easy. I used to have range anxiety in my ice car, but it’s completely gone in my model 3. I know exactly where I’m going to stop, and how much I need to charge to get to where I’m going! It’s such a beautiful system. I wish our DOT would seriously look at the network and try to duplicate it. I’m afraid , like you, that it’s going to be a train wreck. Without a good FAST network, EVs will be unsuccessful .

[@martin3316]

"Without a good FAST (charging) network, EVs will be unsuccessful". Fortunately, TESLA (Elon) has that covered.

[@RolandCaston]

Excellent episode. This is exactly what I told a Ford salesman. There's no charging for a Ford. There needs to be a standard for kw and for the plug. And the power companies need to get involved. There could be a fast charger or super charger anywhere a power pole exist.

[@davidluce4527]

THis was particullarly welll done. It was factual, and showed an amazing grasp of the information which is availalbe about these charging netwroks, and that which is hidden. It was useful both for EV prospects and for us investors who are completely frustrated by the superficiality of the stock market analysts.

[@TheLukeapus]

Tesla vehicles without their charging network is like, Now You Know with Zac & Jesse, without their trusty side-kicks Bobby, Brent, & Ethan! lol (hopefully you like this one, I was lol-ing)