Game Exchange: Is Punch Out Racist?

Is Punch-Out!! racist? Or is it a bunch of Bald Bull!?
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[@introvertedwifi4818]

"the French having a stereotype of giving up easily" **still boxing after 99 losses**

[@AS42100]

Good point! Btw it's boxing not wrestling. Edit: it’s been corrected now.

[@lexcentrique2554]

Exactement, c'est pas parce qu'on dit qu'on abandonne qu'on dit vrai !

[@kzmajin1315]

L'excentrique Toi aussi tu l’as eu en recommandé?

[@lexcentrique2554]

@@kzmajin1315 En vrai, je sais pas comment ça marche !

[@e4ehco21]

I'd like but it's at 69

[@aquaphoenix-mt2iv]

"Can you honestly say these characters are being represented poorly?" >shows von Kaiser getting beat up by children

[@mecoolguy3780]

nobody said that they were being represented as heroes or or somthin

[@sombrastudios5765]

@@mecoolguy3780 r/woooosh

[@hoiimtemmie834]

His nuts got punched by children.

[@shadowwriter329]

He’s teaching them to box, they just went low on accident. Nothing wrong with that...the teaching part not the pain of a man part.

[@jeanarthur760]

geman childrens

[@FriskEhh]

Soda's skin being red/pink probably isn't a nod to the slur, but instead the result of alcohol flush reaction. Basically where alcoholism makes the skin become naturally red

[@geoguessrplayer1]

Like Asian glow?

[@ohjoshua67]

Are we finna forget about nes color limitations

[@istoleurmail9563]

“They’re not presented as being stupid, mean, or generally bad people” *Le Aran Ryan has arrived*

[@SalaComMander]

He did specifically say that him and Super Macho Man were exceptions.

[@antonhagbox02]

But that's because he's Irish.

[@semag2090]

But tbf aran is very likable.

[@onlookerofthings6029]

Ryan's about to kill Little Mac and I'm fine with that

[@GarbageGuyAtGames]

But who doesnt love that guy

[@BobTheTacocat]

As Danny said, " If a game is so racist that it makes fun of every race, is it really racist?"

[@silorion9967]

And he had an excellent point.

[@BobTheTacocat]

***** You're welcome :D

[@ianhathaway1150]

Carson Libbey Misanthropist

[@themightyflog]

It’s all good. E Honda literally designed and made by a Japanese company. In what world would that be racist? Japanese ain’t also big as Mike Tyson either and that built.

[@bicoloredcow1156]

Aran Ryan is also a Great character, me being Irish I see all this stuff about us drinking all the time and other stereotypes, but Aran is like people I would know. Cheaters and Short tempered, and says Bai or Boy. He’s obviously a real Irish man

[@Scanman279]

im also irish and it seems that people like mcgreagor put us in a `cocky` light.

[@gamerboy-fd7ey]

Cool

[@prowlingbrain]

agreed Yep,

[@heathercampos3692]

In wii contender he says You dont look irish

[@reggieclarke3526]

The only thing that annoys me about him is that it says he’s from Dublin when he he’s has such a cork accent

[@thelogster8715]

I’m a Californian, and I find Super Macho Man hilarious and he’s a great character. It’s Nintendo, and they did a good job representing the characters’ nationalities without being racist.

[@shieldsdown227]

when the bogus

[@On_Skibidi]

Im Californian and the dude part is true

[@Mangle1218]

As a Canadian I agree

[@gamedifficulty_4230]

Piston Hondo is probably the most polite of the boxers, he’s competitive but he still treats you with respect, he even compliments you sometimes if you dodge a powerful attack

[@minorcomet282]

I think hes one of the only fighters that actually train seriously

[@tw80studios66]

Well great tiger technically could just punch you with his duplication magic but decides not to

[@Dankreaper124]

It will be piston Honda in our hearts

[@Molybed1]

When Hondo bows at you in the middle of a match he is actually disrespecting you.

[@octobro915]

@Filippo Contigiani bear hugger laughs at little mac for losing but that ObViouSLy doesn't mean he's rude in any way

[@thelogster8715]

As a Californian, I can say that Super Macho Man is accurate for us.

[@Schmacks]

The Logster I was born there and lived there for a while, when I would go to my community pool I would see this guy there who was so tan and looked exactly like macho man

[@gayflower900]

I release the bogus every day dude

[@definitelytoddhoward8603]

As a Minnesotan, I can say the same for Bear Hugger

[@anongoldster9915]

As a fellow Californian I can agree.

[@born_to_be_sauce47]

As a californian as well, I can say that that’s bullshit

[@FedorovAvtomat]

I'm Russian and I admit I drink... and am losing my hair, and am over 2m tall, and weigh more than 110kg. Maybe I'll turn into Soda Popinski in a few years. Sweet.

[@yourepostedinthewrongneigh1545]

привет!

[@beefbroski4794]

Dude I'm Russian too

[@greemu]

+Get Shwifty быть быштрым!

[@neumoegen]

Hey, I'm Russian too. (I am not a drinker)

[@capscaps04]

+FedorovAvtomat you only need to learn to box.

[@Armydillo]

Is the game racist? A: No, because the game pokes fun at the character's nationality, not their race. There is a difference. And besides, the characters are quirky and fun so who cares?

[@tablasechstitu1122]

Yep.

[@shrekmacdonald6113]

Yep

[@ninjadog252]

YEP

[@m4rs478]

Ye

[@trusspike1527]

You need to chill and realize you only have around 80 years to live and you shouldn't waste it complaining about things that don't matter to people who don't care. Be positive and fun, or go be offended to people who care.

[@MrMarinus18]

5:00 I love bear hugger. He's such a great guy and I love how he was trained by a bear. They often have this in fiction where people were supposed to be trained by animals. But in Punch-out they don't just state that he was trained by a bear but they actually show how that went down.

[@Mangle1218]

As a Canadian I love bear hugger he’s my 3rd favourite character…why? Because he’s hilarious

[@Wyrmington]

Dude keeps a squirrel in is hat…chad

[@KikiCatMeow]

@@Wyrmington bear hugger is 100% a chad, along with his squirrel and bear

[@Toast_94]

He's a funny guy. I'm Canadian too, albeit from the opposite coast. I drank maple syrup once, albeit from a can rather than a jug. xD

[@Sjors_]

You wanna know another difference I noticed? Glass Joe's personality has one very important inconsistency. In the first Punch Out, he frequently mentions wanting to retire and that this is his last match. He says nothing of the sort in the Wii version. He's still an absolute loser when it comes to fighting, sure... And yet, he doesn't give up, ever. Think about it. The man has lost 99 times, and you're number 100. Who wouldn't give up when reflecting on such an awful track record? Glass Joe, that's who. He's been beaten to a pulp one hundred times and he just won't *quit*. When we think of French stereotypes, we see cowardly wimps prone to giving up. And at a cursory glance, Joe seems to reinforce that stereotype; he is indeed a scrawny pushover. Except he actually defies the stereotype, because he's a character who never gives up, even in the face of a long string of failures and constant ridicule. And then we get to the title defense mode. After one hundred losses, Joe receives a protective helmet to prevent permanent damage, and with that, he suddenly gains the strength to make it all the way to a match against the champion. You. And chances are, he'll catch you off guard and beat you. Which means that, just for a while... Glass Joe is champion of the WVBA. The muppet, the joke character, the one everyone points and laughs at... Becomes champion. Purely because he lost one hundred times and yet stood up once more to try again. I'd call that inspiring.

[@MrMegaman0607]

+Kapteindood Why doesn't this comment have more attention?

[@nuibaba280]

+Kapteindood It also proves how Glass Joe out of all the boxers kinda deserves the spot as a Smash Bros character more than the other boxers. 2nd place is Disco Kid because why not?

[@zachanikwano]

I got freaking teary-eyed, not gonna lie

[@Nyghtking]

So what you're saying is, when we get to title defense we should let him have the belt and he can retire a winner finally and make a movie about his life and struggles to become champion?

[@remembernovember9059]

goddanm, this comment.

[@svetlanarebane]

4:59 As a Canadian I can confirm that is 100% accurate.

[@braydentuttle2theboxer905]

Wow

[@grimfate6612]

A Canadian drinking alcohol is racist?

[@copperhead577]

@@grimfate6612 That's not alcohol. That's maple syrup. Us Canadians LOVE it. In the winter, we boil it and pour it in the snow and it makes taffy.

[@nazareth2933]

Im a Canadien québécois and I find americain are a lot of more big than canadiens

[@albertospy6139]

Wacky Wavy Inflatable arm flaling tube man u are so gay and stupid that is maple syrup and it comes from Canada just there flag has maple syrup on it frick man

[@krealyesitisbeta5642]

R.I.P. Pizza pasta “They didn’t want a piece of him.”

[@gwroliver3540]

LMAO

[@masonmatt2145]

A pizza him

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

Man, he could have been seen in other Punch-Out games.

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

@Gold Blade Ninja Why no?

[@YaboiAware]

@@masonmatt2145 I see what you did there you clever bastard

[@Natedog1520]

4:58 as a Canadian I find that actually funny, we usually find our stereotypes hilarious if they’re used in a joking way that clearly is meant to be as a joke or overplayed

[@Mangle1218]

Same bear hugger is my 3rd favourite character and I’m also Canadian

[@frozenaorta]

Really the only thing insensitive about Pizza Pasta is his name. And to be honest, I'm Italian, and I think it's a pretty funny name. No more culturally bigoted than the Super Mario Bros Super Show. Count the incessant pasta puns delivered by the Mario Bros on that show. And it's funny. People need to stop being so damn sensitive in this day and age. It's serious when a black man gets killed for his skin color -- it's not so serious when a white guy drops an N-bomb while singing along with Tupac.

[@bnazreen]

frozenaorta I agree with everything except the last bit, The N-bomb was made back in the days of slavery to use as an insult to black people, that's why society only allows black people to say it. You can't really say it in public without getting harshly judged.

[@python1972]

@@bnazreen If you don't want people of other races to say the word then don't use it in your music expected to be sung by EVERYONE if you segregate your music to one race because you can't stop using a slur you wanna know what that is? RACISM

[@The_D_ray]

Completamente d'accordo. Che poi, apparte il nome, Pizza Pasta era fighissimo secondo me! (stavo per dire "mamma mia", ma mi sono contenuto)

[@putridmoldyman306]

@@bnazreen Only allowing some people to say it sounds pretty racist. Either its fine for everyone, or its terrible for everyone

[@MrMarinus18]

I don't really find it funny. Just lame.

[@genkoti]

2:13 I didn't know that Adam Sandler was in Punch-Out.

[@colesnead4061]

Oh my god I see it!😮

[@kiroyt5199]

That's actually pretty funny😂😂

[@Daybreak6427]

God damn it, now all I see in Don is Adam Sandler.

[@TheEmilyFravel]

And *”INSPECTOR GADGET”*

[@4storyboss]

mario was there too

[@python1972]

2:40 "Stereotypical" Not racist. Stereotypical. If Punch Out is racist then so is Team Fortress 2 as well as any other game that works with stereotypes.

[@avelus5984]

True. Soldier is the stereotypical American patriot and jingoist, for example.

[@dutchranger5530]

Or Scottish people always being drunk

[@eggedegg4659]

TF2’s characters are like stereotypes of where they are from but way exaggerated

[@beautifulmeeses]

Yeah, the tf2 characters are definitely stereotypes, but like they said, they all have a personality.

[@cruzadergaming3875]

The pyro.....

[@haylamyke5178]

Me. bRuH iM oFfEnDeD aT tHe CaNadA ONe Also me: plays hockey and loves waffles and thinks bears are cool

[@them.]

I mean, to be fair, besides the hockey, I'm into all that, and I'm an American, so yeah

[@jamesmanco2574]

Ok but like who doesn't love waffles and bears?

[@fl0837]

@@jamesmanco2574 I'm from france and i like bears, strong taste indeed but the textue is really smooth you can't deny

[@evilemu2599]

FloGames do you eat bears? wtf

[@loganchapman3409]

Canadian moment

[@Gojiro7]

As much as I love the Punch out fighters speaking in their native language, I wish there as some degree of subtitling so I the player can understand and grasp the things their saying to further accentuate their character.

[@Canalbiruta]

Gojiro7 and i can say after looking for what they say in the game, is fucking great!

[@geblordofchaos2965]

IM pretty sure i found a vídeo of someone traducting everything.

[@Molybed1]

HELL NO. If Nintendo made a Punch Out 2, I hope they dont give them subtitles. Its more realistic and interesting when you don't understand what they are saying and have to look it up.

[@galfinsp7216]

@@Molybed1 why not give an option, like other games do in cutscenes

[@MetalMania343]

@@Molybed1 tf? That sounds stupid and inconvenient, & how in the hell is it more interesting? What they're saying doesn't change, it's just more of a hassle to find out. As for realism, nothing in Punch-Out is realistic, so that point doesn't make any sense, either.

[@hagamapama]

One thing that Goomba sort of touched on, but didn't quite -- a lot of these characters are drawing their characterization from things their nationality would consider positive about themselves. Russian tenacity and ability to take a pounding and keep going (Popinski IIRC is the only main character that gets a healing move), Turkish brutal effectiveness (yes, they are proud of this, they ruled a large empire by main force and aren't afraid to let anyone know about it), The civilized Spanish fighter who could charm and kill in the same breath, Irish roguishness, Indian meditation and centeredness, Canadian rugged individualism -- these are things that the cultures these people come from draw strength and identity from. Hell, even the pushovers give it a go, if Glass Joe goes one up on you you see the French ideal of courageous defiance in the face of hopeless odds, and if he actually knocks you out (shame on you!) he yells "Vive la France!" and Von Kaiser's few good moves are all about German precision and efficiency. Both fighters are well past their prime years (as are their nations) but they try to stay faithful to the old cultures (as do their nations) so even the pushovers are more or less culturally sensitive.

[@AFanOfCinema]

hagamapama Having sparred a guy from Moscow and two from Istanbul, I can confirm this. The Russian guy, who was 7 feet tall and one of my boxing instructors at the time, never seemed to be bothered by pain at all, even when during a sparring round he accidentally twisted his ankle and limped for a couple of steps to the corner. Afterwatds, he just casually says with no change in his expression whatsoever, "My leg is broken. I need to sit out for a few seconds before I can get back in." With the Turkish boxers, who were both brothers, every time I had a match with either one of them my punches seemed to just annoy them. Even when I got a couple of really hard body shots on their ribs a couple of times all that seemed to do was just make them want to knock me out even harder than earlier, like trying to poke a bear with a stick. Once I got more experience under my belt I would usually beat them in the ring by playing it smart and dodging their blows, waiting for an opening in their guard they give me because of how blinded they would get by rage. But holy shit, despite only being around 150 lbs. like I was they both hit like they had hands made out of iron!

[@hagamapama]

Considering that the Turks were the only non-European empire other than Japan to consistently go toe to toe with Europe's best with a fighting chance of winning throughout the age of empires, I'd say their legacy as fighters is pretty secure. :p

[@punchingplayerpenguin3291]

AFanOfCinema you're a boxer? cool!

[@AFanOfCinema]

punchoutplayer penguin Formerly a boxer. I particated in some matches at my University's boxing club, but had to quit due to it interfering with my studies and the idiot upper raking members squabbling like chickens all the time. They were really cool people and not just a bunch of neanderthals like most people assume, but their clashing egos made even planning basic workouts excruciatingly tedious.

[@AFanOfCinema]

COOLMCDEN Gaming Funny enough, I have yet to actually meet any Irishmen. The closest I have with Ireland was when I spent some time in Edinburgh Scotland, but that was before I began boxing so I didn't get to fight anyone.

[@Phobos_Anomaly]

I think the term "racist" is thrown around so often and so flippantly that people are forgetting what it really means and where it's actually applicable. Haphazard usage doesn't bring attention to the serious issues of prejudice and hatred, it just trivializes them.

[@C00lguy-r16]

Well your comment aged like fine wine.

[@realchoodle]

As someone of Native American and Desi descent I appreciate how the Indian character was displayed. All of these guys are their cultures ideals and badass as all hell.

[@coyote1772]

I’m from Latin America and freaking love Don Flamenco, he represents a lot of Hispanic countries very well, also I love when he shouts as literally every single spanish speaker would when they knock you down (not the exact words but the style): Venga, Venga! Que Pasa? Quieres Más?

[@chichememan3751]

Perfecto! I'm from Latin America too :D

[@antonhagbox02]

The issue is Don's not from Latin America. He's from Spain.

[@PedroGarcia-ji8vp]

As a spanish I have to say that latin americans are totally diferent from spanish people. And we don't say ¡Venga, Venga! ¿Quieres más? during a fight

[@doodledangernoodle2517]

@@bigbones90 I’m pretty sure the majority of Spain’s population is considered white European.

[@javierslytherin9898]

Don Flamenco represents Spain, not Latin America. Spaniards are different from Latin Americans

[@FreakEating]

The cultural stereotypes in the game were wild

[@kaininja8177]

FreakEating yah

[@kaininja8177]

Hey 👋 I just want you guys want you more

[@rell.cassoo]

True I played it and I was like DAS RASICST

[@morganzielger4159]

Yeah the stereotypes are definitely present, but no race is portrayed in superiority to any other, so I wouldn’t call it racist

[@charliemanual9832]

Glass joe says something incorrectly watch what are they saying punch our to know what I mean

[@ricksalas9507]

I'm Mexican and so jealous of the cultures that got represented in the newest Punch-Out!!. This playful environment where everyone, including the country that developed the game, is on it and gets equal playful poking is not unlike a group of friends where everyone freely throws insults and whatnot, fully knowing that all is in good fun.

[@SalaComMander]

Now I suddenly want a new Punch-Out!! game with even more characters. Represent all the countries!

[@jigglypuff8437]

SalaComMander 196 DIFFERENT BOXERS?!

[@SalaComMander]

jiggly puff Not in one game, over the course of the series

[@jigglypuff8437]

SalaComMander NO THEY NEED TO DO THAT

[@SalaComMander]

Alright, I guess

[@thedankmister]

ngl, as an a Italian who loves pizza and pasta, i feel represented by the fighter

[@gamingfox6159]

Also Little Mac is Italian American

[@namehere7782]

Honestly it was more 'racist' to remove pizza pasta. Not that it actually is racist, but as an Italian, I hope for an Italian rep in the next punch-out game. Honestly, if I was a soviet, i'd be proud to have someone as badass as Vodka Drunkenski representing me. Just my random collection of thoughts.

[@maddoxweaks7034]

Shaka Zuu also super punch out for the snes had an Italian boxer Mad clown

[@KC_Garcia]

Maybe they could re-add Pizza Pasta

[@masonmatt2145]

I'm Italian too, and I adore Pizza Pasta. I really hope he goes re added.

[@irons880]

Yea why remove Pizza Pasta? The may recall him Spaghetti Mario :D bad joke but eh

[@retrogamex7139]

You say this 'cause you're not french or german...

[@delusional80prime59]

It pokes fun at everything, that alone makes it non racist/biased towards nationality.

[@ryanred1525]

Yes

[@jonascaruso8154]

Yes

[@daltonsosnowy9744]

True

[@discordlexia2429]

It's like Saxton Hale. I'm Australian, but hey, I don't care. If the world wants to portray me as a croc-wrestling big-muscled badass, I'm not complaining.

[@BlazinVoid59]

I can't really think of any stereotypes to Austrailians, and this is coming from a Mexican. Just ask me and I can list all the Mexican stereotypes ever. One is that we all speak spanish. Some of us never grew up speaking spanish, like me.

[@discordlexia2429]

BlazinVoid Well, Australians are generally depicted as... Do you know who Steve Irwin is?

[@BlazinVoid59]

Sonata Dusk Nope. I only really watch on TV things like Bar Rescue, but I barely watch TV anymore.

[@coastersplus]

Now I feel bad for doing terribly fake Australian accents to be funny.

[@dankmoo]

Saxton Hale was made by Aussies. Just sayin'

[@druvjuice6906]

“Pizza Pasta” Ayo, Araki took some inspiration from it

[@SirCheeseEater]

Ayo Pesci(Fish) we got to take out Guido Mista(Mixed Salad)

[@Yoyo_boi202]

Bruh I speak Italian enough to understand bits (my dad is Italian, so he's taught me some) and knowing the names of all the food, my first viewing of golden wind was hilarious Edit:spelling

[@GBelair]

Hey I'm Canadian and yes I have even tapped my own maple trees and made my own maple syrup, made my own ice rink and played hockey on it lol so yay for positive stereotypes :)

[@TGGSParadoxly]

As much as I think hockey is Overrated, I'm Canadian! I gotta enjoy it! And Syrup? H.E.A.V.E.N

[@CatThingy]

Go Canada!!!

[@TheGr8one1022]

Exactly. People don't realize that other people from the same culture/country have very similar core attitudes and interests, because these things are so engrained in the culture that it's really not noticeable unless you're looking from a different cultural perspective. As an American, I notice a lot of similar things between myself and even people who are completely different from me in every other way, but I've had foreign friends point things out that crack me up because they're so true and I never noticed them before. The word racism is thrown around way too much and it's true definition is being destroyed, while comedians and others are being attacked by politically correct losers under false pretenses.

[@CatThingy]

***** How is he saying that?

[@Pissoff56]

no disrespect but real maple tastes way too bitter

[@foxxtail06]

but the real question is: Will Dan ever come back and beat hard mode on Punch-Out wii u?

[@SpiderBoy223]

Nope, not for a long while my friend. Not for a long while.

[@ryanf.3175]

Frynker Murr there WAS no punch out u

[@nathan6392]

The answer to that has been lost to time

[@cDoogle]

nathan spivey Indeed. Maybe one day they'll come back to it, I have hope.

[@frozenaorta]

The answer, 2 years after you posed the question, is an adamant no.

[@Darthadios]

Actually in Japan this kind of mild racial sterotypes are being considered funny and not offensive. And the developers didn´t want insult anybody, that´s why there is Piston Honda representing Japan.

[@spaantz]

That's because Japan isn't full of PC idiots

[@apollo9288]

@@spaantz damn straight

[@loganc23]

Kamikaze can mean Divine Wind

[@RobertP.Trebor]

@@spaantz PC culture aside, japan is super racist. It's legal to refuse service to people on the basis on their skin colour over there and they've never admitted fault for all the genocide they committed in ww2

[@spaantz]

@@RobertP.Trebor Yeah that stuff's not cool

[@jinxthewarlock8971]

I'm quarter Mexican, and I just like Don Glamenco because his attitude and overall personality makes me smile, and I just love the flamenco music too. Punch Out Wii gave the game a fresh and positive coat of paint that made the stereotypes likable in someway.

[@octobro915]

gLamENCo

[@doodledangernoodle2517]

@@octobro915 Don Flamenco is actually from Spain. Super Punch Out on SNES actually had a Mexican Boxer named Masked Muscle. He was an honestly dirty fighter who spat on you and used wrestling moves on you since he was a former luchador. But seeing how they made initially poor mean characters have some likability in the WIi game, I’m sure they could make Masked Muscle more likable.

[@invasionofthedawgs5885]

Q: Is this game racist? A: No, because the Game Grumps like the characters.

[@them.]

I mean, yeah, the Grumps' word is law. That's just fact.

[@cameronknapp7315]

So the game grumps would like the original arcade punch 🥊 out?

[@taipeijoey101]

@@cameronknapp7315 Dan grew up playing the game

[@sabretoothchipmunk3615]

I always viewed the NES game as being cartoonish and absurd to begin with. You're placing a half-pint with a Napolean Complex in the ring with characters that were not meant to have any more depth than a WWE wrestler and you're expecting artistic nuance? ALL characters in this game including the american ones are stereotyped. No single character in this game representing it's own region gets spared this treatment so what else is there to do but laugh at it? If you want to get symbolic you could say the boxers you go up against represent the inner stereotypes we place upon others and we must combat these stereotypes in our own mind if we want to become a better person.

[@cryingcrane8173]

@@cyberlivion8363 Ugh then why comment? Why is it that so many people on the internet can't be bothered to read a short paragraph?

[@Brackynews]

I ate waffles and drank a jug of maple syrup this morning. As authentic as it gets.

[@niquid7294]

It isn't as bad as most people think #CanadianLove

[@gdfauxtrot]

+Brackynews I hear Canadians adore Tim Horton's coffee. Is this a stereotype, or should I actually go out and try some myself? I'd love to hear some Canadian feedback on it.

[@Brackynews]

G. T. Duarte It's real. Never not successful franchise. The only thing I order at Timmys is Iced Capps. I prefer just coffee flavoured things. Cold drinks at Tims, hot drinks at Starbucks.

[@ghost_curse]

+G. T. Duarte If you're living in the New England region, you're likely to have a Tim Hortons in the area as well. As for your question, Tim Hortons is still loved, but the teenage girls gravitate towards Starbucks nowadays.

[@ghost_curse]

Ben Townsend Timbits are the best :)

[@serb4446]

Kamikaze might be associated with thw WW2 japanese pilots but it's actually a japanese word meaning devine wind

[@SalaComMander]

He's aware. It's the context, or rather lack thereof, that tells us that it was just thrown in with no thought behind it.

[@serb4446]

@@SalaComMander never expected a response to this after 2 years lmfao, but yea i can agree with that, its just the way he worded it

[@SalaComMander]

@@serb4446 Well, I recently watched a video about how every Punch Out character is a cheater (except for Sandman), and it reminded me of this video, so I came back to it.

[@StarKnight619]

I cant believe that you skipped the fact that gamegrumps especially say that "Can a game really racist if you make fun of your own and everyone else?" AND THAT WAS DURING THE FIRST HONDO FIGHT!

[@wadledeeXD]

EXACTLY

[@thebiolibrary5572]

I think the fact that out of all Super Punch Out fighters, they brought back Bear Hugger (and Aran Ryan, who really needed a touch up) for the Wii game, which was made by a Canadian company, is equivalent to “We also have a racial stereotype, and here you go”

[@animegx45]

Is it wrong that I hope they'll be a British boxer called Big Ben?

[@Potato-yd3hv]

+animegx45 You shall work for Nintendo one day, MAKE IT HAPPEN!

[@KellyandMaddy2005]

+animegx45 Nope! Not At All! I Would Actually Like A British Character Considering That I'm Half British XD Yet I Live In Canada,(Sudden Murica' Song Comes In ) MU-NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!!WE MAY HAVE LAZY ELECTION PARTY'S TO CHOOSE FROM ( No Offence,I Just Don't Like The Party's Such As The Green Party ) BUT WE ARE BETTER!!! WE.ARE.BETTER! END OF CONVERSATION! I'M OUT!

[@KellyandMaddy2005]

True.

[@minorshan]

+animegx45 Well, WWF DID have the British Bulldog in the ;ate 80's...

[@moomoomilkshake619]

+animegx45 PLEASSE

[@disco9582]

as a canadian I can confirm that the Canadian is acurate.

[@TheHervex]

IAm TR8R bro we are not fat Like that sorry

[@disco9582]

THE H theking what?

[@henrikennedy3158]

Maybe somewhat, but as a fellow canadian I can confirm that NO ONE drinks syrup.

[@mathewsmith2281]

I'm Nova scotian so I can say that I do not drink mapel syrup

[@jacksontaylor7605]

if i could chug maple syrup i would be the happiest man ever right there don't ya know

[@OmegaMetroid93]

Stereotyping =/= racism. It always bothers me when people don't see a difference.

[@kolikooo1]

Well, if it is a bad stereotype that takes makes them worse then using the definition that was used in the video it is racist.

[@dswrabkln4900]

What exactly is the difference? :/

[@MayorMcC666]

Offensive steriotypes are racist

[@dragonfighter4171]

Oliver Mumford One is grouping people =/= Hating on the people

[@schelmisherWolf]

Oliver Mumford Stereotypes means you exspect some trait from someone because of his origin or apperance, which don't have to be a bad trait, like all canadians are polite, all asians are smart. racism means someone is portrayed as inferior because of his origin/appearance.

[@SoulsOfWisdom]

6:54 "Being represented poorly" Von Kaiser immediately punched in the crotch. lol

[@terradraca]

As a Canadian, I thought Bear Hugger in Punch Out Wii was absolutely hilarious. To all the people who whine and moan about it, kindly get over yourselves.

[@BlazingAzureTheta]

I found Don Flamenco hilariously awesome. I'm Hispanic and a bit of a romanticist, so seeing Don Flamenco's over the top moves made me giggle.

[@darioguerra3065]

AzureTheta Same here.

[@Thejigholeman]

bear hugger is the kind of guy i would like to hang out with.

[@6thdim]

AzureTheta I'm so glad that they gave him a lisp so that they wouldn't confuse him with us hispanics.

[@darioguerra3065]

TehBootZ Hurray for us.

[@griffinewell9343]

It being made in Japan and still including "racism" towards the Japanese proves that it's not racism but playfully poking fun at many cultures.

[@davenic2471]

Everything in that game is from the older ones, just new assets.

[@Nikarus2370]

I wonder what this guy would say if he ever watched Axis Powers Hetalia.

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

+The Daily Gage's Talk Thing They had a character from Canada too.

[@brennanmarsh1572]

Thank you Griffin!

[@lionclan4575]

i like to think it makes fun of stereotypes myself.

[@derickgarcia8718]

Damn, now I'm hungry for some pizza and pasta

[@blixer8384]

I'm half Italian and I didn't see anything too offensive about him. Then again I tend to think with my stomach and I love both Pizza and Pasta, especially pan pasta. Shit now I'm hungry.

[@Samm815]

same here brother. i've been eating pasta since before i was born. my mother's maiden name is Costabile ("Cost-a-bill"). and my grandfather's birth name is Giovanni Costabile which is the Italian equivalent of "John Smith".

[@hleghe810]

Sam Lucas​how is the john smith thing related to pasta?

[@wintertheampharos4725]

I read your comment in a horrible Italian accent.

[@hleghe810]

winterAmpharosIII​ cool?

[@theraymunator]

Both Street Fighter and Punch Out use stereotypes, but they do it to create likeable personalities. Zangief is literally just "haha big russian muscle man" but people love him

[@joedatius]

well I think that it all comes down to how something is being shown. the characters in the early punchout games are just kinda boring stereotypes like DeeJay in the early Street Fighter game since all he was is the stereotype but the Wii punchout game does what later street fighter games did and fleshed out the character to have the stereotype to be just a background aspect of the character to display their culture in a lighthearted way

[@stevie_ily]

Well, if this game wants to portray Germans as big muscular mustachioed champions, who am I, a German, to complain?

[@c.g.l.r.]

Naja ... willkommen im Club ^^ aber ich bin lieber eine zielstrebige, etwas muskulöser Deutsche dargestellt, als agressive Nazibraut ^^°

[@stevie_ily]

im german by blood, not by nationality.

[@BlazinVoid59]

stevenisminecraft Well, i actually portray's Von Kaiser as a WWI German, I think. I'm not entirely sure with what I know.

[@egpimp]

Ich liebe die Weg sie porträtieren Deutsche, und seine Hintergrundgeschichte für ihm.

[@turidrowned]

Im a german, and i thought he was more shown as an average boxer than a strong and muscular person...

[@joeyrobbins6901]

6:56 Goomba: can you tell me that these characters are being represented as inferior or poorly *shows von kaiser getting beat by a kid*

[@rageinternet9391]

The intention wasn't to make him inferior to other nations, but to show that he wasn't good at boxing in general matter and besides, in TD we see him finally redeem himself and is shown to be quite the badass and at some point in the TD fight, he can do an instant knock down attack!

[@reaperleviathan4726]

@@rageinternet9391 r/woosh

[@rageinternet9391]

@@reaperleviathan4726 people still use these things? Besides how did the joke go across my head exactly?

[@superdan333]

@@rageinternet9391 its just a 5 year old trying to be funny dont worry

[@Mangle1218]

@@rageinternet9391 he’s easier than TD glass joe so

[@mephostopheles3752]

Question: Is Punchout racist? Answer: No? Not really? Just super stereotypical.

[@Forslimjims]

SeaBiscuit Stereotypes can be fun while not being racist. I think almost every Canadian can have a good laugh at the hockey playing, syrup drinking, bearded lumberjack

[@Forslimjims]

SeaBiscuit Stereotypes can be fun while not being racist. I think almost every Canadian can have a good laugh at the hockey playing, syrup drinking, bearded lumberjack

[@jqureshij]

+Forslimjims Yeah, like if someone sees how people portray others country, it's really funny. My brother was doing India in school, and it had pictures of snake charmers even though that is not what happens in India anymore. It made me laugh so hard

[@13wolfy13]

+Forslimjims don't forget moose riding and 'eh?'

[@hcy0772]

+SeaBiscuit stereotypes are a form of racism

[@Rinne_Z_rank]

The french having a stereotype for giving up easley Me: (ahem) *_The invasion of france?_*

[@minorcomet282]

Also, Glass Joe has 99 losses and hes still fighting shows that he will NEVER give *you* up

[@thekevinator4720]

@@minorcomet282 man...can’t believe I was rickrolled by a reply.

[@megatronman2783]

Yeah I think we all know about that

[@lordsmeef4984]

I would never call Punch Out! racist only hilariously stereotypical Arin also made a good point on that it can't be that racist if the creator makes fun of their own nationality too (which makes sense to me!) I'm just kinda disappointed they didn't have a british stereotype, I'm british myself and I would have loved to have seen that XD

[@flamelordguy7886]

agreed I'm British to

[@mechel10tredexLP]

Sure, you are british... too*

[@gabeplaysgames5774]

Although I'd still consider it racist if you make fun of your own nationality too, by definition I wouldn't consider it racist if you made fun of all nationalities. You're not saying any race is better than the other then. You're just saying that they all suck.

[@eddiewilliams5006]

What would he be like? Would he have a nice cup of tea in between rounds? Lol!

[@pvtblu1613]

Narcis Prince, well i don't know if he is stereotyped though.

[@Cloud_Strife1997]

“was always generic snes rock” mad clown and narcis prince would like to talk to you.

[@kek-senpai243]

Don't forget about Hoy Quarlow.

[@eliaschawla1791]

I can finally tell my mom that Punch-Out teaches me about culture and history. Lol

[@KetchupSauces]

"Don't you think I smell like victory?" -Don Flamenco

[@byebyebabyblue]

you forgot the sniff

[@cyruscyberdogcyroi8178]

Cologne

[@Sievart]

Translation for Piston Honda: “Sushi Divine wind Mount Fuji Japan position”

[@lucid2937]

This guy needs to realize that this was made in the 80's and its now 2014 and you basically saying that Nintendo was able to predict the future by saying the south pacific is obese, *facepalm*

[@chonkychimmy1382]

Boss Chance there was obesity in the pacific islands in the 80’s FaCePaLm

[@pjdj]

Chonky Chimmy I was wondering that

[@pixelate609]

and this shows that we need a super punchout for the switch I would even take a port of the wii version

[@awesomesnorlax5290]

As a cultural person I will think that you would actually know Kamikazee in Japanese means "Divine Win" So von Kaiser would actually say Göttlicher Sieg not hitler

[@SeekerMissile]

using racial stereotypes as humor is not racist...

[@mikeb1834]

Yeah, the person that made this video doesn't understand what the meaning of the word "racist" is. The author of the video should at least make the effort to understand what such inflammatory words mean before tossing them around. Not to mention, as you said, many of the stereotypes are funny.

[@jmajor1004]

100% agreed. What would be racist would be assume a person exhibits stereotypical traits just because of his/her race. Stereotypes are not in themselves racist, it's what one does with the stereotypes.

[@coldblitz3639]

alright I can c That he is a triggered liberal

[@Altar360]

Yes, it very well can be. If you use the stereotypes to demean the said race, then yes, it's racist. Now, using stereotypes isn't inherently racist, but given the history of using stereotypes for hurtful reasons in media, well... yeah. Now, he does say by the end of the video that the latest game uses said stereotypes properly rather than hurtfully

[@retrohanska4441]

I'll have to disagree. Yes, poking fun on racial stereotypes or any stereotypes for that mayter isn't inherently offensive, that depends on context. Make a racial or sexist joke in your white gentlemen club (which we all belong to, of course) and I don't see the problem. Nobody is directly or even indirectly harmed as simple joke probably isn't enough to sway minds of adults. But say that same thing pubclicly, especially as authority and that's whole different case even if by some lucky coincidence nobody targeted heard the joke, you at the very least make racism more acceptable for people listening. Same thing about children who don't yet understand difference between joke and statement. And finally, if you make fun someone's stereotypes in their vicinity, it's offensive if they say so, whether you agree or not. So again, if you're discreet about it, correct, it's not inherently racist. Sadly, way too many people aren't and don't even intend to

[@ILuvKonata]

Yeah, Punch-out was never really racist. It was very stereotypical, but not necessarily racist.

[@ericlohndorf9166]

Yeah I love punch out and I haven't seen one sign of racism

[@ericlohndorf9166]

A stereotype means a type of character

[@ILuvKonata]

+Pottah P1ff But then you have the stereotypes like "All Canadians are super nice" and "Asians are short". Or "black people like chicken". By the definition of racism, saying a group people are nice is hardly derogatory or trying to dehumanize them. And the chicken thing can't be racist, since... I mean.. I'd have to say a majority of people like chicken. So it's more of, Stereotypes as a whole are not racist, but some can be racist.

[@francescoakajoker]

Yeah, many people mistake stereotypes for racism. Stereotypes are simply general assumptions (wether positive or negative) but it's not racism, just ignorance at worst.

[@gabeplaysgames5774]

Stereotypes can be racist. They aren't always racist, but they can be. Let me give some examples. Saying "Asians are smart." is a stereotype, but it isn't racist. But saying something like "Asians have small penises" would be racist. Although a stereotype, it is still derogatory to that race.

[@Xenoks01]

This is my favourite Gaijin Goombah video for some reason. I keep coming back to it.

[@MoonlitLillypop]

Aleksa Bogdanović for some reason just hearing those words is entertaining.

[@Xenoks01]

Zachary Moyer I know, right?

[@Xenoks01]

Zachary Moyer I failed

[@MoonlitLillypop]

it's too funny!

[@elliottbyrum1570]

***** Good point. People don't make nearly as many jokes about him, though.

[@user-ud7cg1nf3h]

Is it really all that bad that Super Macho Man is a stereotype when he releases bogus? I think not

[@tbone2416]

Super Macho Man comes from New Bogus

[@chrislecount4801]

“Release the Bogus!”

[@TrailerDrake]

Woah, a Game Exchange and a Culture Shock in one day?! This is an amazing culture explosion! Still, I digress. This was a really great and uplifting look into one of my favorite game franchises! :D

[@w8F61xwVxA]

Combine game exchange with crossover... Culture crossover?

[@TrailerDrake]

RPGamerFTW, It's in the works. ;)

[@maxhendrix8602]

You know, there is the possibility that he's commenting because he means what he says.

[@defaultformat1014]

You digress, and Sidequest... Get it? Ronny? No... Okay...

[@lewisjones3369]

How are you doing 6 years later

[@caitlinobrien273]

Why is everyone going out of their way to bash other countries and cultures in the comments? Did none of you take ANYTHING that Gaijin Goombah was trying to convey? Really? NONE of you??? His whole point of the video was to show, yeah, the first few Punch Out! games were borderline racist, but the new one for the Wii was showing, yes, stereotypes, very good. But not in the way the originals did - in a way that brought out the interesting things each culture had. Get it together, people! Get over your prejudices against others, I know it's easier said than done, but really. If you aren't even going to TRY to change your view, then at least be quiet about it so that way it doesn't bring harm to a well-made video on the creator's part. You wanna talk disrespect? Start showing this video's owner some respect first by not trashing everything he said and disrespecting other cultures. You're more than welcome to be butthurt - that's your problem. Not mine. Which is why I won't even bother answering anything unless it's actually POSITIVE (which I doubt that many of you would even say, because this is the KZbin comments section. When is it ever positive?) Have a good one. /RANT, OVER

[@DestituteBaron]

*slow clap*

[@ddoshim4550]

I respectfully disagree. I think each and every Punch Out game is racist. Whether it be the Wii game or the one for the arcades, its still racist. Was it the right decision? I don't know, and this is coming from a huge fan of the series who owns all the games, and plays the arcade version at a nearby retrocade. Nintendo probably realized how offended some might be after seeing all the stereotypes were, and that may be part of the reason they included Piston Honda. To avoid any accusations. That's also probably the reason Bear Hugger was one of the 2 Super Punch Out characters to be brought back in the Wiimake. Since the game was made in Canada, they probably wanted to bring in a Canadian to smooth things out. Speaking of the wiimake, if the Punch Out games are racist, then the wiimake would therefore be the most racist one. The stereotypes in that game are even more outrageous in that game than they are in any previous entry. And you know what? That's half the reason Punch Out!! is one of my favorite series of all time (The other being the solid game play.) The character never fail to make me laugh. Bear Hugger, who is perhaps one of the most overly stereotyped characters, I remember genuinly made me laugh out loud when I first got the game and me and my best friend played pass the controller with the game. (Especially when he says, "I like raw fish" in his over the top Canadian accent during one of the in between round intermissions. Than he falls asleep. WTF xD) They arn't even mostly positive. They're not mostly negative either, its about half and half. But the same could be said about the NES one. Basically, look at Darth Ender X. He said that even if you convey good steryotypes, they're still racist. Just look at his comment to get a feel for what I mean. Yes. In his words, "To answer your question, yes, it his racist." But in a good way. A way that many fans have fallen in love for. In the end, I don't hate Gaijin Goomba. Or you. In fact, i've been a fan of Gaijin for a long time, and like the little fan boy I am, I agree with a lot he says. I just respectfully disagree this time. Anyway, I know you said you don't respond to comments of users who don't agree with you, but I know you'll still see this. And if you delete it, i'll know for certain you saw. But anyway, thanks for reading, no matter the response I get. And this response isn't just for Caitlin, but for anybody who happens to read this. Yes, Punch Out is racist. Not purposely. And its not meant to be mean. But it is. But I guess you could say its racist in a way that puts the cream of humor and great character on the already impressive cake of the game.

[@manegirl93416]

Hey, thanks for being civil about it!

[@anelson8498]

N. Huls That was the best civil argument I have ever seen!

[@silorion9967]

What people need to realize is that racism is a term that here-by means "to look down upon or shun another race". People need to sit down and think about what racism really is.

[@ShadowsIncChannel]

you mentioned the Game Grumps, which I agree with, but you forgot one thing from those episodes that was really important to this discussion. They talk about if it's racist or not in that series, and the consensus was that no, it wasn't, because they made fun of EVERY race, including their own, meaning that everyone was on equal ground, and no one was any worse or better than the other. Each had a horrible stereotype, but at the same time, were respectful enough to make fun of their own races as well, and not give them the upper hand, having developed the game. I believe that's really important to the discussion, and shows that it wasn't really racist, just poking fun at the various different stereotypes of different countries.

[@JDBlack-gf9ok]

Like South Park!

[@joshualuigi220]

If you look at it in that light, there are more American stereotypes in the game than any other nationality, those being Super Macho Man and Disco Kid (Sandman is American too, but he's not a stereotype, he just makes sleep puns).

[@Miko-rd3bq]

***** AFRAID!? BOO! BRUSH YO TEETH!? ITS BED TIME MAC BABY!~ TELL YO FACE, TO LEAVE MY FISTS ALONE! DREEEEEAAAMMMM LAAAAANNNNDDDDD!

[@BBSplat]

***** Mr. Sandman is believed to be based on real life boxer Joe Frazier.

[@berserkchip]

joshualuigi220 Actually Sandman is a shockingly accurate stereotype of 1980's Philidelphian black men, as Danny pointed out in the original punch out playthrough.

[@AkuTenshiiZero]

Watching this 6 years later when any hint of cultural stereotyping, even when used to create a fun and positive character, is enough to whip up a lynch mob. People forgot that it's OK to laugh at each other and play with cultural iconography. Everything is so fucking miserable now.

[@racc5277]

sorry

[@empirecrumbles615]

name literally one person whose life was genuinely, meaningfully negatively affected by cancel culture and didn't just straight up deserve it

[@tbone2416]

@@empirecrumbles615 Pyrocynical.

[@hectorhernandezaleman3836]

@@empirecrumbles615 Quite quiet, aren't you?

[@d4-v1d22]

@empirecrumbles615 Scott Cawthon?

[@goat_filipino7020]

Racist no Stereotypical in my opinion very 😂

[@grandtheftruben8957]

Am I The Only One Who Enjoyed All The punch Out games

[@pistolpew3377]

No

[@mrkevinkillercrafterminecr895]

No

[@kek-senpai243]

I enjoyed all of them, but the ones with little mac and pizza pasta were the best

[@seanharris9002]

No I play the nes version and I'm stuck on Great Tiger!

[@Charles_Stenner]

Sean Harris oh my god me too!

[@blara2401]

Glass Joe is still saying "My boxing gloves are too tight..." though. Oh well.

[@ShyGuyXXL]

That's not a bad thing tho. They are still characters. And Glass Joe is still a wimp. Von Kaiser is still cocky as hell (and kinda silly) and Bald Bull... is just mad. I don't see these as negative. After all, you still wanna beat the shit out of them. Not because of their nationality but because you're in a goddamn boxing match. xD

[@blara2401]

ShyGuyXXL True, true.

[@pious83]

ShyGuyXXL As for King Hippo.. Is he even supposed to be human in the Wii one? He gives off a hairless Donkey Kong vibe (ironic given his inclusion)

[@Mario1080p]

Also keep in mind in Title Defense, Glass Joe actually has confidence and overall improved fighting style(enough to defeat an average player).

[@darkantosthegreat]

pious83 never mention that character again

[@TheRealMerminator]

Love how many canadians are backing Bear Hugger, who has (to me) the funniest knockdown voiceline literally shouting "TIMBER!" Before hitting the mat.

[@SparkyMuffin3]

6:00 I just did some research. I was wondering about the voices of the characters... All of the voice actors are FROM where their characters are from! That's pretty significant. Do you know how many animated movies have actors voice a different ethnicity than what they are and call it a day?

[@Carraway-]

I'm not even gonna lie, I'm Canadian and I'm actively transitioning because I know I'll never be manly enough to be Bear Hugger in real life. He's just too badass (Having boobs is a nice win tho, ngl)

[@joedatius]

I'd be your bearhugger

[@adanrosario9728]

"have you seen that any of these characters are being trea tree d poorly" shows cuts cent of von kaiser being beat up by kids

[@beethebestgamer1368]

Adan Rosario he got punched in the stomach no matter who it is that is going to hurt bad

[@beethebestgamer1368]

do still find it rasest that joe and von are at the bottom it can be looked at like a ww1 and ww2 stereotype

[@Bon-bn5lc]

There might be stereotypes but *N O B O D Y C A R E S*

[@MatrixEvolution17]

Can we really expect anything more from the game that gave birth to the "N*gga Stole mah Bike" meme?

[@JoseDorda]

So you know that this phrase was just introduced on the cutscene on the year of 2003 by a bored kid that has nothing to do with the actual game?

[@ThirtykNinetyfour94]

Always remember one word when using racial stereotypes. Context. It is the context of those stereotypes that you set up for that stereotype you are using that determines if it is racist or not. Simply using a stereotype to give a character a national identity is not racist. Exploiting their national identity and culture to belittle them is.

[@NunzioGames]

Using the Stereotypes to show culture is not offensive. It ADDS to the character, gives them something to their personality. I'm Italian, if Punch-Out needs to name a guy Pizza Pasta to show that he is Italian and represents that culture, I am 100% OK with that.

[@jadensmith3856]

When you said kamikaze was the same as von kiser going around saying Hitler Hitler holocaust your wrong kamikaze means divine wind so next time pleas don't freak out please just don't

[@akisa7865]

And also von kaiser is a WW1 german stereotype

[@zoroearc2582]

And Holocaust originally meant destruction by fire. It’s the context of the word rather than its actual meaning that matters here.

[@ruki4929]

He's well aware of that mate: but you cannot tell me that someone hearing the world kamikaze is going to only think of the storm that stopped the mongol invasion however long ago. The word is culturally synonymous with suicide bombers, whatever other meaning it has.

[@gachapiggycookiequeen994]

Kamikaze means to sacrifice yourself for honor tho?

[@aceyspud551]

It’s more like the game *has* fun with the stereotypes rather than *makes* fun of them. It’s just too funny and charming. As an Englishman, I wish Narcis Prince was in the Wii game.

[@theholydragoon5475]

I know this is an old video, but I truly love listening to every characters voices especially soda pop for some reason. There’s something about that voice that’s awesome.

[@zachb1344]

“These sunglasses, you can’t afford THESE sunglasses, get your hands off the rope. - Super Macho Man *yeets the ref outta the way*

[@SuperBearPoo]

Oversensitive people like this are why so many games have gotten censored over the years, and why censorship even exists in video games. If you don't like it then don't buy it or play it or pay any attention to it. Not everything has to appeal to you.

[@PadMasher]

...That wasn't the point of the video....at all.

[@Kisaru1000]

-_- You didn't even watch the video did you?

[@thefairy6884]

Did you watch the video before commenting? No butthurt, just asking

[@AirylVODs]

Did you even watch the video?

[@lovelovemiraclesunsetgirl]

Uh, he was pointing out why it's not racist now... Unless you're deeming him sensitive for having an in-depth view of it.

[@artilleriesss]

As a german, Von Kaiser does carry stereotypes that me and pretty much every german person I know rather dislikes yet the creators of Punch Out somehow made it work, so now I actually like Von Kaiser, he has a certain charm and I think that applies to every character

[@KingdomHeartsBrawler]

I think that it helps that the "big tough German" thing Von Kaiser does is a front he puts on to help him overcome his nervousness and anxiety. Dude's very clearly got some kind of stage fright yet puts that in check for the match. Big props. He also trains children, so he's clearly a softy when not boxing.

[@MysticMindAnalysis]

You make a very good point. I think in a similar case to how the Damsil in Distress trope is used in games today, the origins of the Punch Out designs may very well have their roots in more demeaning and degrading attitudes. But today they are largely used for the sake of simplicity. They've been built upon which means that their usage today is more for the sake of affectionate and light hearted tradition, rather than anything with intent to degrade. So as long as we are aware of the origins, we can learn from them when it comes to more recent games. As long as these streotypes don't become the vast majority of forigne character representations in games, I think we can excuse some games that have their origins in less culturally sensative times.

[@hoodiesticks]

I find it interesting that you compare this with the "Damsel In Distress" trope. The Mario franchise has dealt with this stereotype for years, and I think recently they've been doing a good job of presenting it positively. I remember the first time I played Super Smash Bros Brawl I expected Princess Peach to be a total pushover, because of the trope. As it turns out, she's a pretty tough fighter, but Nintendo made sure her dainty, delicate Damsel In Distress personality still came through. It's not a perfect parallel to Punch Out's fighters, but it's the best example I could think of.

[@MysticMindAnalysis]

〈-thatguyoverthere I think mostly Peach is still frequently a DiD because Mario games are very formulaic. It follows a very similar pattern each time, with some off shoots and more tweaks to the mechanics/words in each game. Indeed, Peach was pretty badass in brawl. I think for more modern game series, stuff like racial streotypes or damsils in distress are best retired to history if they haven't become a historical part of the games identity. Partly because of some of the more rancid ideas behind the trope's origin, and partly because the same old stories and character types get boring and uncreative after a while anyway. That being said, it's nice to see Peach as a playable character in New Super Mario Bros Wii U (or whatever the game is called. Yay equality :3).

[@Lyubimov89]

Gotta agree. We gotta recognize that sometimes "damsel in distress" is not degrading, just simplifying. Like SMB, which was, quite stupidly if you ask me, accused of being sexist.

[@MysticMindAnalysis]

***** I watched Sarkesians videos because everyone and their mother talks about her. To be honest her arguments are terrible, but not nearly to the extent where any sort of threats of violence or video games that beat her up are justified. Sometimes she gets a couple of points right, but otherwise she makes too many broad statements and generalizations. That's pretty much my POV.

[@MysticMindAnalysis]

***** Also, is Rebecca Watson that person who said she was being sexually harassed/made to feel uncomfortable by someone asking to come into her room for Coffee, or something?

[@heyfriends3765]

this dude is so butt hurt about the nes version

[@DonaldDuck-s8v]

XD indeed

[@gimmethepuh6365]

Exactly what I was thinking. He needs to chill for a second

[@colesnead4061]

Did....did you guys actually watch the whole thing through?😐

[@okay3488]

@@colesnead4061 You know he did say the nes punch was racist right? I think you're talking about his opinion on the wii punch out.

[@colesnead4061]

@@okay3488 .... maybe

[@gaminghistory101]

Translation of Soda Popinski: "Haha, I can beat you with one hand tied behind my back!"

[@gaminghistory101]

Actually I do :P What's he say?

[@federico1996123]

Translation of Don Flamenco: "Don't you think I smell like victory"

[@gaminghistory101]

OK WTF LEGIT

[@steirabua861]

Gaming History 101 "I move left, I move right, HAHA! " is what he says.

[@steirabua861]

Gaming History 101 "I move left, I move right, HAHA! " is what he says.

[@yak5438]

Fun fact: 5:10 Von Kaiser is talking about the Schliefen plan (germanys strategy for WW1) Translation: "I go the left, I go to the right *Laughs to assert dominance* "

[@flamingo56700]

2:09 No actually Mike Tyson’s Punch Out had most of its development done by Nintendo of America. And Bald Bull’s hometown is Istanbul because it’s the most known city in Turkey

[@a.t.2112]

Yeah, its the capital.

[@qaruda]

@@a.t.2112 i know its too late write this but Istanbul isn't capital Istanbul is the biggest city and capital is Ankara

[@crazyfire9470]

It actually used to be the capital

[@chrisfayte8482]

No punch out isn't racist only people who would even think to ask that are racist.

[@computermariobross]

The game is supposed to exist to entertain you, not to "teach" stuff

[@broboiler]

ComputerMarioBross - LanzaPlays! But there’s nothing about this video if this theory is fake

[@cutefox8910]

That's so stupid it's funny

[@ToastyMann]

bruh

[@ZombieDasher]

I'm not racist, you're racist for thinking I'm racist 🤪

[@lcatriunfo4902]

im italian and i love pizzapasta xD

[@lcatriunfo4902]

pizzapasta for president

[@allmight6451]

Lca Triunfo they should've brought him back

[@beethebestgamer1368]

They get rid of pizza pasta but keep glass joe the easyest and the weakest at the bottom wow and they tried to avoid racism 👏👏👏 good job u idiots

[@mystories337]

Me too

[@jmaes1507]

Same

[@victoria2glazer]

The real truth about the original Punch-Out games is if you're making fun of every race are you racist. or if you're stereotyping every stereotype are you racist. I think not

[@phragrunt5680]

Well there are stereotypes that are not offenskve and stereotypes that are offensive. But to punch out imdon't think the stereotypes were that offensive

[@KaydeyRai]

Um French, Spanish,German etc are not races, what you're talking about here are national stereotypes

[@Evan-mt7bc]

He's referring to France, Spain and Germany but that's what people from there are called. Germans, French and Spanish. It's how the people have been referred to as for the past ever.

[@KaydeyRai]

Not trying to be rude but I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to convey with that comment

[@deathXbyXlight]

By the UN's standard of racial discrimination (which is what we should use if we're talking about a global scale), different nationalities are counted under racism. Denying someone a job because they're polish is just as bad and racist as denying a job because the person is african-descended, or because they're sami. UN definition of racial discrimination: "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect..."

[@KaydeyRai]

They're still not races, you can be black and English or Asian and French - they are separate things altogether, ethnicities are different but that's not what the game was playing on, it was poking fun at cultural stereotypes not racial stereotypes

[@deathXbyXlight]

I'm still talking globally. No, in America it isn't racism (aside from Honda, Hippo, Bull(?), and Tiger), we have a different definition of racism that is closer to colorism. But on the International scale (which is what I'm talking about), it counts as racial discrimination. Yes, you can be black and english, but if you were born there or speak english perfectly, you'd get less crap than the white polish immigrant who doesn't as well. You'd still get crap, but nowhere near as much. Different parts of the world have different definitions of racism and racial discrimination, and seeing as the game was published in more than one country, it's best to use the set international definition. That's just my opinion.

[@thatpersonwiththerandomani5166]

this morning I went out in the cold, didnt even care, then came back made myself chocolate chip pancakes from scratch and ate them with maple syrup. I'm about as Canadian as you can get

[@peterpeterson1882]

Gaijin Goombah, perhaps you should look closer at that definition of racism. If you do, you'll see that none of the games were ever racist. They were stereotypical, very heavily stereotypical, but unless the game actually fits the following definition: "having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another", it's not racist. Stereotypes are very rarely racist, and they definitely aren't in this game. Usually stereotypes are either as a joke/fun or as a result of a belief that the people actually are all like that. Punch out stereotypes were the result of a want to make the enemies fun and interesting, not to show a belief that a particular race is superior to another.

[@sephiroth7655]

That is literally what he said in the video? Did you actually watch it?

[@peterpeterson1882]

sephiroth7655 He said that the original ones were racist, but the later one's were fine because the stereotypes were just for fun.

[@sephiroth7655]

Peter Peterson Well even still, the older games were pretty borderline racist, they showed those races in a negative light and misrepresented some of them. Not so much stereotypes as misunderstood characterizations which I believe is a form of racism through lack of effort or trying to make a real representation of that race.

[@BigTerra92]

Peter Peterson He said "perhaps"

[@Dorumon281]

That being said, having a Japanese Guy who can say nothing but Kamikaze, sushi and Nippon Ichi is a stereotype that implies racial inferiority. A Russian that can only be drunk and is only productive at hitting people/ morally inferior, a French guy who can't take a punch, and is physically inferior. A lot of stereotypes aren't really racist, just uninformed, but the ones like the first punch out definitely are because the traits they exaggerate imply that they are inferior to someone else

[@Mr.TwoFaceGuy]

I think an alternative name for the series could be “stereotype SmackDown”.

[@rushshahaiosifovg]

The intro is cringe I'm sorry someone had to say it

[@thebodaciouscobra3017]

Actually tho

[@Oneiros0629]

Julian Mcfalls Fortnite is cringed I’m sorry someone had to say it

[@Oneiros0629]

Oh boy here comes the hate

[@volitude4825]

GoldenRaptor_TF2_And_More TF2 > Fortnite

[@DogeyYT]

@@Oneiros0629 I agree

[@introvertedwifi4818]

6:54 that wasn't the case in the nes version either, but ok And how did you relate a Japanese man saying kamikaze (great wind) to a German chanting the name of the most dangerous man in history? Just curious.

[@i_chew_water2497]

Because there were kamikaze Japanese pilots in ww2

[@Mangle1218]

@@i_chew_water2497 kamikaze has multiple meanings

[@NJD950]

Punch out is not racist. People are just sensitive

[@Momohime_Chan]

Finally!!

[@06yarbrougha]

Wow, rewatching for the first time in YEARS, I totally forgot about the old pitch-modded voice.