Game of Thrones... 3 Years Later

[@thegoldman25]

*I made an error in the video. A song of Ice and Fire sold 12 million copies prior to 2011, not 90. I apologize for this mistake

[@vasyjunier4773]

...... sansa '' i needed to be r worded, i am better for it. ''

[@danieldejsusperez8037]

Game of Thrones legacy is that; it changed TV for ever. Netflix needed a show to compete with GOT they created 2; House of Cards and Orange the new black, Netflix wasn't for original programing, they just were for contet library, (basically become an online/social media Blockbuster platform) therefore those show enhanced and boost Netflix subscribers, so they found a new business meaning, create in house your content instead of renting them from big studios every 2 years, then everbody fallows. Now Game Thrones as a show just went in decline in this case for lack of creative ideas, others show go into in decline because budget reduction or just the network (as you said) want to wrap up the show, becuase it was getting more expensive every season.

[@buzzwithdrip6347]

Season 7 shouldn't be paired with 5 & 6 man. 5 & 6 are great seasons while 7 is almost as bad as season 8

[@samueljackson315]

Error 2: George RR Martin did write episodes after season four; he wrote The Door from season 6.

[@TheMasterhazard]

@ 8:54 could you please clarify what a "second hand citizen" is or did you mean second-class citizen??? xD

[@stoormtrooper22]

One of the funniest and deppressing parts of the whole S8 situation is that they rushed the ending because of their Star Wars deal and then that didn't happen either. So Dumb and Dumber ruined their reputation for absolutely no reason.

[@brianbowen74]

I think that's what makes me mad the most. they didn't even do their stupid star wars shit. could've easily just done 3 more seasons and cashed out easy. why even take a star wars deal when GOT is a prime money maker? smhhhhh

[@corbin101]

@@brianbowen74 well that’s the thing, they did but Disney fired them bc they were shit

[@trollfacemafiagaming6036]

This was a actually a deliberate move by them to reinforce the theme of dumb actions having consequences

[@carnivorous_vegan]

which one is dumb and which one is dumber lmao

[@RobertK1993]

Should taken thier time season 7 and 8.

[@Bludgeoned2DEATH2]

It breaks my heart that HBO were literally begging them and willing to throw as much as possible to this show to keep it going but nooooo Star Wars and Disney were calling. What utter fucking betrayal.

[@tripping_on_words]

And the sweet irony, they didn't even get to do the Star Wars thing after the train wreck of GoT season 8

[@johnv6806]

They wanted it all, and got nothing. I can't think of a single project they were attached to since the ending of GoT that didn't get canceled or they were replaced on.

[@KariIzumi1]

I'm not even a GoT fan, but I felt second hand satisfaction know Disney dropped them like a jock who fucked the head cheerleader for bragging rights after they sabotaged this show. I've never seen something so completely unprofessional in Hollywood, and that includes the temper tantrum that passed for the latter half of Glee. Here's hoping someone will do the same to Robert Aguirre Sarcasa one day.

[@johnv6806]

@@KariIzumi1 weird analogy, you make it sound like the lead jock fucking the head cheerleader is somehow bad or abnormal.

[@nonono9194]

@@johnv6806 a great modern example of hubris and arrogance being your downfall tho

[@rebeccao8895]

Clearly, George R.R. was right. The series needed to have 10 seasons in order to wrap it up properly. The ending was so rushed and it screwed up the legacy of the series.

[@DerekRabanal]

George needed to finish his books is what “needed” to happen. Can’t blame DND for wanting to move on when the author of the series still can’t seem to figure out how to finish his books.

[@non_conformist4229]

@@DerekRabanal they could’ve handed it to someone else, or simply take their time with the ending

[@concept5631]

@@DerekRabanal Yeah no I'm gonna blame DnD.

[@pepeedge5601]

​@@DerekRabanal Them wanting to move on had nothing to do with Martin not finishing the books. There was enough material in the already existing ones for 10+ seasons if they made a straight adaptation. It would also result in a more complex story in which even half the plotpoints are not dumbed down. Mance, Stannis, Dorne, Vale and many other plots were cut short or drastically changed. Even if they were tired of it that is not an excuse for having an ending season so fckin' shit. I've seen better writing from 12 year olds.

[@marcos-ll2yr]

Yeah but was his fault too. Probably the end was not be good either. And people will still complaining. Because the books are not ended. The sixth book is the most important and nothing 11 years later... without Martin don't exist a satisfaction ending

[@Basti87b]

Dany going mad in the end sounds like something that George RR Martin would write, but the series would have probably needed 3 more seasons to develop this character development.

[@thegoldman25]

Oh 100%

[@amarissimus29]

Character? Development? That stuff is for write supremacists. GRRM and the other colonists are out. Show. Sell. Just ice. It's the new thing.

[@loki3836]

The reason why it doesn't work in the show, imo, is because they changed Tyrion from becoming a generally bad person to a depressed but good dude. In the books, Tyrion is going to Dany, but not for any good reasons. Tyrion wants Kings Landing to burn to the ground and also to rape and kill his sister. It would of made since to have tyrion follow this path in the show, him talking to that dragon blood in her and slowly convince Dany to burn kings landing to the ground. Tyrion is a MAJOR character, and changing his storyline is imo what doomed the show, atleast one of the reasons.

[@Ealsante]

And HBO was likely willing to give them 3 more seasons, too. GRRM said so himself. But no, Dickus and Dickhead wanted to do Star fucking Wars.

[@Kimbie]

@@loki3836 Yeah I'm convinced that Tyrion being the devil on Dany's shoulder would have, even if just across the 4 seasons we got where he was with her, massively helped the mad queen arc to the point where it'd be worthy of the show (which does set a high bar) if done right. Doesn't need much more than the man who inherited Tywin's intellect to whisper the right words in her ear.

[@carolinemussallem9320]

Jamie’s character obliteration is the most heartbreaking moment in the whole show to me

[@epicfactsbooks]

Wish it turned out differently, he's my favorite character. But it is consistent with the bias towards bittersweet/mixed endings and experiences of the novels and the show.

[@epicfactsbooks]

A huge disappointment for me but somewhat expected given that the writers like to subvert expectations and not always give the fans what they want.

[@tokarukora7272]

I did not think it was THAT far from his arc, since his sister is still his blood and he WAS in love with her all his life and she would always be very important for him.

[@epicfactsbooks]

@@tokarukora7272 good point, there was always that side of him.

[@MtnMedea]

Me too bro. Me too.

[@No_Relation_666]

It’s so sad that it’s one of the few cases where the studio wanted to be more faithful while the writers wanted a paycheck

[@ENTERTAINMENT-tc3uq]

But like the studio could have replaced the show runners!!!

[@No_Relation_666]

@@ENTERTAINMENT-tc3uq didn’t have a valid reason to fire them i assume

[@knoelle1357]

They just wanted to be ones who finished the show, they could’ve left, the show could’ve gone on for 10 seasons. They’re the ones who wanted to end it and end it on their own selfish terms. Such a travesty.

[@williamjones1563]

A lot of the actors wanted it to end also

[@Reaper18033]

15:45 15:47 15:47 😅😅 15:49 15:49 15:49 15:49 15:50

[@daddyyu-gi-oh4330]

One of the more sad aspects of it is that rewatching game of thrones feels like an impossible task when you know how badly they botch the ending

[@renemubuntu6707]

My exact feelings. I even tried to watch the house of dragon but I wasn't able to focus cause I kept thinking about the horrible ending of GOT

[@ashsrevnge]

I remember re-watching the entire series every year in anticipation of the new season, and it never got old...until season 7. After that season I never re-watched again, and still have not, and have zero desire to do so. At this point, I just want GRRM to finish the ****ing book!

[@heydun]

you're completely over blowing it. ending was disappointing, but acting like it makes the previous seasons hard to watch is ridiculous

[@adambee9975]

@@heydun the ending makes it feel like theres just no point but i understand where your coming from

[@gely_]

Its doable u just skip season 8, i literally just rewatched it last week after not seeing it for 4+ years. Its still an amazing show and once you forget half of it its still good. I got to season 7 mid way and just stopped watching because as you said the ending is botched. But it still doesnt make the first 5 seasons bad, they were fantastic imo. Enough to rewatch, especially szn 1-3

[@jinh605]

The whole Benioff and Weiss guessing the Jon Snow twist is like ironic fate. The whole reason George was so excited they guessed it is because he likes to have his twists guessed. He carefully sets it up so those who are huge fans have things to guess and speculate, and when the reveal is given it makes it all more gratifying. Them guessing it meant they cared about the series that much. Benioff and Weiss for some reason, despite this being the reason they GOT THIS JOB, seem to think anyone guessing your twists is a measure of bad writing. It's amazing how they don't realize that being able to guess a twist is the sign of not only a good writer, but a dedicated fanbase. You couldn't write a more 'hubris leading to their downfall' trope if you tried.

[@PilgrimPolitics-kw5kf]

This comment was better written than season 8

[@JC19171]

Honestly I question if they even guessed that. Every ASOIAF website and sub reddit has that theory near the top. I wouldn't be surprised if they read it online

[@austpem]

Jews - using a white man's mind to get rich and destroy everything in the process. The oldest and most repeated archetype in human history.

[@darksaint0124]

​@@JC19171The theory originated in the 90s and was already well established when talks began to adapt the show.

[@Zyryne1]

He should collab with M Night Shamalamadingdong. LOL 😊❤

[@GIBBO4182]

The Prince that was Promised…but ultimately meant nothing! Winter came and went in an episode and Dani’s character went crazy in 5 minutes, Arya killing the Night King, Jaime’s character arc being pointless, Jon Snow turned into an idiot, Cersei killed by rubble and Bran becoming king…thanks D&D…you ruined everything!

[@JNDReacts]

Yes to all of this, except for Bran becoming king. That plot point came from George. But I’m sure if he ever finishes the books the plot will actually make sense.

[@karimmezghiche9921]

@@JNDReacts How do you know that it came from George?

[@JNDReacts]

@@karimmezghiche9921 D&D said so. They met with him back when season 3 was either in production or airing and George gave them the big plot points for the end of the series. D&D said there were three major WTF moments for them: the burning of Shireen, Hold the door, and Bran becoming king.

[@karimmezghiche9921]

@@JNDReacts Hopefully George will change his mind about that, because honestly to me it makes no sense that Bran will become King of Westeros

[@JNDReacts]

@@karimmezghiche9921 I’m guessing it’ll be more about either the three-eyed crow, Bloodraven specifically, or the Children of the Forest taking over. If it’s Bloodraven skin-changed into Bran’s body then it’ll be the culmination of like a century of him trying to become king. If it’s the Children then it’ll be thousands of years of them waiting for the right moment to take back control of their land in a way they haven’t had since before the First Men arrived.

[@adamsagehorn3520]

What was so surprising about Ned Starks death was that Sean Bean was the biggest name at the time in the show. Much of HBOs marketing put his name front and center like it was his vehicle. Then they killed him. It was daring and surprising. You really were left saying where do we go from here? His death opened up all types of possibilities. For those not familiar with the books.

[@epicfactsbooks]

Sean Bean however has a reputation for dying in films lol

[@fergie42069]

Jesse Armstrong took notes lol

[@zitronentee]

@@epicfactsbooks And his character's death always make impact.

[@namanjoshi1477]

@@fergie42069 Lol😂😂😂😂

[@IggyBing]

I almost wrote it off after that. Glad I didn't.

[@someonelikeme7551]

I totally agree that R+L=J was an awesome plot twist and I was so excited to see what happens when it was revealed. The show made it seem like it was nothing

[@thegoldman25]

it's heartbreaking

[@Nottz4Lyf18]

When it is revealed? How sweet and also tragic that comment is. I really want George to be able to release his completed works for game of thrones but am reminded of the spartans response to this …“If I invade Laconia, I shall turn you out.” Sparta: “If.” It would be an exicting reveal IF it is revealed. I love the books and I really would like george to enjoy the recognition he would get for the entire story as a whole i hate to think he won’t live long enough to really enjoy that. That’s not me being negative or depressing thats just the sad reality of the case where a man near his mid seventies has been working on a book for well over a decade and isn’t that close to the finish line realistically, and is getting more demands on his time, not less, the more work he attatched himself to the more strain he puts himself under but the better his projects will be, those projects make more projects, premieres, more producing, more consulting, none of those things give him more time in his own space where he can write, i bet when he actually sits down he’s too tired or feels too much pressure to even write another line unless it’s gold, or maybe doesn’t even feel like writing at all because he doesn’t want to that day. The most tragic and beautiful subversion he can probably ever give us is getting winds of winter out and passing away or getting dementia or getting parkinsons or getting ill or getting injured, the kind of thing that happens to elderly people when they try to stay active, he’ll probably be leaving the story unfinished before a dream of spring comes out, the worst thing would be for him to live to his 90’s but never being able to finish that wor, to have that story in his head a line at a time and never getting to do it. I adore that man, i think he is a treasure but we must remember that …Valar Morghulis, but i hope when he faces the god of death he says “Not today”

[@blondymonk1535]

R+L=J isn't that well supported... Imo it doesn't make sense whatsoever... It's N+A=J for me...

[@Nottz4Lyf18]

@@blondymonk1535 from the books the reveal of Jon’s parentage always seemed way too heavy handed for me, it was eluded to and laid on a bit too overtly for George’s style. When he met with D+D and they told him who they thought Jon’s mother was, their answer won his approval but theough reading the books that reveal seemed a bit too in the open, the way Ned talks to Catelyn about Jon and his affairs, the things he says and does with Jon, and the way the lore is spoken about, make it seem like it’s an obvious guess that would not need to remain a secret for so long to be the reveal, does that make sense. It seems so obvious that it’s almost like a red herring. The whole point of powerful revelations in many mysteries and thrillers is that the clues are usually there if youre paying attention and it’s solvable from early on. The R+L=J, seems more like it’s been dancing in front of your face not trying to be subtle because you’re supposed to think its that. Like the obvious bad guy at the start of a show who seems so blatantly guilty it must be them … except it’s not them and you missed who it actually was because you were so busy gathering the evidence it was your first guess that you ignore the points aiming at the actual villain

[@tooslow4065]

@@blondymonk1535 shame that that isnt what the books and tv show show. but nice fantasy.

[@DerpRulesAll]

Can you imagine a major multi billion dollar studio being so involved in a show that they pretty much told the creators "go ahead and finish, we've got you," and the creators said "Nah, we'll wrap it up?"

[@aes1373]

The funny thing is usually studio interference messes up a show/movie. HBO not only stepped back, but they kept throwing a blank cheque at D&D. Unless there was a clause where D&D were the only ones to write the show for HBO, I'm surprised HBO just allowed them to end it in 8 seasons like that. They must've known what was going on with the shows' decline post-season 6 with ratings and Martin hinting in interviews that things could be better. And yet they let D&D just do what they did.

[@austpem]

Jews - using a white man's mind to get rich and destroy everything in the process. The oldest and most repeated archetype in human history.

[@haldir3120]

Nothing to imagine there. Happens all the time when creators get tired of working for years on the same thing. They want to move on and work on different stuff after 10 years or take a break

[@DerpRulesAll]

@@haldir3120 Too bad that kind of thinking led to them completely ruining GOT's last season, IMO. If they were really planning an ending, they should've worked one out.

[@haldir3120]

@@DerpRulesAll HBO should have replaced them once they did not want to commit for more but they probably believed in their abilities based on the success they had

[@Whoscuda1899]

The fact that D&D were fans enough to know who Jons mother was and still destroyed the show is kind of surreal

[@traumer9622]

They were huge fans of the first 3 books (book 4 was just coming out when they secured the deal)... i guess they lost interest when the more magical elements of a song of ice and fire took the forefront - but had too big of an ego to pass the torch after season 4

[@brianmarini1888]

It's equally as possible that they just browsed the forums for research and stumbled across the biggest fan theory on them.

[@thecynicaloptimist1884]

@@traumer9622 They definitely come off as dudebros who just read the series because of all the sex, swearing, and violence.

[@ReichLife]

@@thecynicaloptimist1884 I mean, they themselves said they don't like magical aspect of series and wanted to make a show for viewers who usually watch Super Bowl. The fact that 4 first seasons were that good puts a question if maby they plain and simply had minimal actual involvement in production itself back then.

[@guccifer764]

@@thecynicaloptimist1884 Reminds me of how Zach Schneider describes why he likes the Watchman comics.

[@soakedlemons9990]

If Jaime had killed night king he would again be called the 'Kingslayer' but in a good way and that's so poetic for his character. The potential that got wasted in this show is insane.

[@cemarz]

That would blow. He has absolutely no establishing work done to tie him into that storyline, or anything magical, outside of a name. The series would be described as: Jamie is introduced as kingslayer. Yada yada. Someone shows him a zombie. He kills the night king. It's actually worse than Arya.

[@soakedlemons9990]

@Silent Man can't argue with that

[@davidlowe-bianco5035]

My assumption for the last couple seasons was that he was going to end up killing Cersei and effectively become a Kingslayer again (or Queenslayer or whatever Cersei was) but now that title is an example of his growth rather than a point of shame. Standard story circle shit. He ends up where he began, having changed.

[@NagaBomb]

It could worked interestingly if Bran being the Night King twist was true. Jamie would have to attempt and/or succeed at killing Bran again

[@Requix4]

Nah he should have killed Cersei thus establishing himself as the Queenslayer

[@socialistbatman1211]

Another tiny clue in Jon’s parentage is when Ned lies. He lies about commanding his wife to kidnap Tyrion, and he falsely confesses to treason, demonstrating that he is absolutely willing to lie in order to protect his family at the drop of a hat.

[@thegoldman25]

yes!

[@oliviawilliams6204]

@@thegoldman25 On a side note. That's also Robb story in the books. He married a girl to preserve her honour because he slept with her, knowing it would stain his own honour by breaking his vow to the Frey. Fuck D&D for having turned that into a love story

[@rebeccao8895]

Poor Ned. I’ve heard other fans say he was stupid. I disagree. He was not stupid. He was an honorable man and believed the system would protect him. To quote a Woody Allen line from The Purple Rose of Cairo- ‘He’s fictional, but nobody’s perfect.’

[@Quack_attack_]

@@rebeccao8895 i agree ... He was naive not stupid

[@pplr1]

Listened to an interesting argument book Ned isn't stupid so much as unlucky. He thought he could safely give Cersei a warning since as long as Bobby B was King he figured Cersei couldn't move against him easily or quickly. Also book Ned gives his wife instructions to basically get The North ready for war so it would be ready if the Lannisters came for him and instead does something different by kidnapping Tyrion which results in Ned getting injured and not being able to leave King's Landing as fast as he would like. Also book Sansa spilling info to Cersei doesn't help either.

[@RusetheInsane]

I'll forever be blown away that there were no White Walkers killed during the battle of Winterfell. No fights whatsoever. Only the Night King(which exploded them) and Wights. He has a personal guard of a dozen or more White Walkers and none of them fight.

[@thegoldman25]

yeah that's insane now that I think about it

[@bretlanier2304]

Don’t forget about all the catapults and shit like that that they had and literally did not use once. Instead they just charged all of the Dothraki like yeah that makes total sense

[@Daniel_Fo77]

Why would they fight? They realized at Harthome that they could get killed by humans and controlled the undead, who did the fighting. Officers rarely appear at the front, unless they need to. In their mind, they were clearly winning when they made their move. However, they didn’t consider a faceless (wo)man, which they never heard about or were exposed to as they didn’t exist during the long night.

[@strawberryblondemilk7249]

Sure even if they did you wouldn't have seen it seeing as the episode is in darkness and turning off your lights and closing your curtains doesn't help.

[@HalfDecentTrashCollection2001]

@@bretlanier2304 They used them at most 3 times and probably contributed to some of the Dothraki deaths lmao

[@ceedee5103]

Season 8 is a tragedy. The actors knew it from the beginning. They still did their best. The crew behind the scenes did their best. Ramin Djawadi always did his best. Such a loss. I can’t watch the series in its entirety anymore but always love watching clips of iconic moments. That’s why I am rooting for Kit and HBO. They hopefully will fix things with Snow. So far so good with Hot D also.

[@kevinwheesysouthward9295]

I’m totally with you. Every time a new season was about to premiere, I would rewatch, from the first episode all of the way up to that new season. I would always discover little things that I had missed in previous viewings. Now that it’s over, and I’ve found that I lot of the lore and plot points ended up being meaningless, I get no enjoyment from watching even the early seasons. D&D took all of the wind from the sails of GOT. They completely ruined, what was arguably the greatest entertainment vehicle of all time. Such a bummer.

[@Crichjo32]

I remember a year before the last season, whilst they were filming, some of the cast were interviewed, and you could just tell from the looks on their faces that something was really off. There didn't seem to be any genuine enthusiasm from any of them, Emilia Clarke's "BEST SEASON EVERRR" whilst nervously laughing, just said it all.

[@annabellereacts5126]

Jaime and Daenerys were my favourites, and I will never get over what the writers did to them.

[@DabbyCakes1]

Daenerys particularly. Turned her in to a “villain” out of nowhere. Having her do something her character wouldn’t have done, at least not with what seemed to be the flip of a switch. I also don’t believe that Jon would have just killed her like that, he would have gone to every length possible not to. Jaime also should have had a more redeeming death.

[@TheBenevolentDictatorship]

@@DabbyCakes1 There were signs that her coin had landed on the side of madness seasons before. It wasn’t the flip of a switch. From the early episodes, she was willing to sacrifice anyone and anything for total power.

[@orange4755]

@@TheBenevolentDictatorship no

[@Christian-px2jw]

@@TheBenevolentDictatorship Nothing that stands out more than any other powerful ruler in Westeros, though. Literally the only obvious moment that you can point to in the show that she might be falling to madness is how she had her dragon burn Randyll and Dickon Tarly alive when they refused to bend the knee after their surrender, instead of taking them as political prisoners as is Westorosi custom for high nobility. In every other circumstance she made choices that while perhaps incorrect were always either in line with her morals or to reassert her authority as a wise and powerful queen. Her burning the Tarlys alive was both poor politics and a moral failure, as it showcased Daenerys indulging in a cruel choice for a perceived slight from a defeated enemy. Unfortunately, one scene does not a character arc make.

[@TheBenevolentDictatorship]

@@Christian-px2jw There’s many, many examples. Season 2 she tells the 13 that when her dragons are full grown she will lay armies to waste and burn cities to the ground, and that if they turn her away she will start with them. She has a singleminded obsession with power at any and all cost.

[@VDavilaSB]

The good v evil of battle of the bastards was actually really satisfying in a series so full of good people constantly losing and being abused. I needed that scene and I think a lot of fans did too. Watching Jon Snow beat up Ramsey Bolton was extremely satisfying and a needed release for everyone.

[@Jamazed]

I think that's probably GRRM's intent too. Having one cathartic, simple confrontation is still realistic because not every single confrontation has to be one where both sides are equally justified. The story might've actually gotten too formulaic if it's always "nobody is completely evil... no exceptions... ever".

[@ceciland18]

It was watching Sansa feed him to the dogs. That was true catharsis. It’s also when I gained respect for the character.

[@samtinashemaraya2322]

​@Jamazed I doubt jon is still dead in the books and Ramsey is about to face stannis

[@joshjonson2368]

@@ceciland18 you know if Sansa actually got smitten with Joffery and he decided to let her father live. She would basically excuse whatever atrocity he engages in as long as her family is unharmed, well the family members that matter to her anyway.

[@anon2427]

@@joshjonson2368 if you were in her shoes you’d do the same

[@thegoodgeneral]

Also would have been poetic for Jaime to kill the Night King because he would have been saving the boy he himself tried to kill years ago.

[@trumpsextratesticle8590]

^ This. all day.

[@davegibson79]

Better would have been if he killed Cersei in order to make sure the bells rang, so he could save King's Landing. It's a perfect end to the 'The things we do for love' line that he said when he tried to kill Brandon.

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

@@davegibson79Jaime should have killed everyone. Screenwriters and HBO management included.

[@pr-tj5by]

Yeah I was never a fan of Jamie

[@loki3836]

Not just that, I think that should of been how he died. He suffers a wound from the fight that kills him, but before he dies he strikes the night king down with dragon glass. It would also fit hit name, the king slayer.

[@paulmd7747]

Not to mention, Jamie Lannister was derisively referred to as the "Kingslayer" the entire series. His moniker would have had a heroic significance that would echo through the ages after killing the Night King.

[@trillionbones89]

Oh that's a good one!👍

[@rjw4149]

There were so many options they could have chose from that was better than what they went with. It's fucking sad. Honestly it's the same shit with videogame developers these days. They just look at their product as a cash cow not a passion project.

[@TimelessTransience]

Further, if the Night King was still after Bran in this hypothetical, Jamie would also be saving Bran's life - a nice poetic contrast to pushing him out the window and nearly killing him.

[@Logan-dk8of]

after reading this and all the other replies I cant help but think this is probably how GRRM would have killed the night king. would also be a nice touch to have jamie defeat the night king in battle and having lost his sword hand and spending so much time thinking he can never fight again

[@perlundgren7797]

@@Logan-dk8of I can understand viewers wanting wholesome endings, but what makes you think GRRM would go for it? "Sorry, you can never fight again. Losing your sword hand has consequences" seems a lot more GRRM-ish to me.

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

What I took away from GoT is that everything is pointless. Arya's faceless training, Jaime's redemption, the Azor Ahai profecy, Jon Snow's heritage, Deanerys helping against the Night King, Bran's powers as the three eyed raven, Euron Greyjoy, the threat of the white walkers, Theon's sacrifice, Sam's time at the Citadel, Baelish's political prowess, Varys' assassination attempt, the mystery behind the white walkers. It all just became shit that happened needlessly and without cohesion or a point. Which is why I find Tyrion's speech and arguement for why Bran should be king to be hilarious "stories bring us together" because they don't. The fandom was shattered after season 8, clearly not brought together. "Stories are pointless" is what I got from GoT which is a depressing and even harmful message

[@thegoldman25]

that's what the ending made it feel like

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

@@thegoldman25 exactly

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

How tf is a story good enough to be a leader Some people have really interesting lives, messed up lives that turn them into alcoholics Hey let's elect an alcoholic for a king cause his life's story was interesting! Bran is basically an emotionally cold and empty shell of a human being as a result of "story". His story where he was carted around by people he later spat on.

[@jackierosas9593]

The story did bring people together. After 3 years we’re together now shitting on it 🤣 But yeah, it all felt so meaningless. All the build off and mini payoffs, all the beautiful detailing, and it boils down to . . . Nothing. Because themes are for 8th Grade book reports😒

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

@@jackierosas9593 I know loads of ppl though who vigorously defend the 8th season, but yeee I get what you mean. Exactly! It's so sad and disappointing

[@Rage_WinterchiIl]

23:40 something i want to add, i dont remember if they did this in the show, but when catelyn released jaime one of the oaths she made him swear was to never take up arms against her house again. determined to keep his oath jaime found a way to end the riverrun conflict without bloodshed. i think that makes it all the more significant of a moment for him.

[@lancesilvis4085]

yeah excepting Blackfish off-screen. Still upset about that.

[@Bananaficiary]

@@lancesilvis4085didn’t the black fish escape though, the lannisters theorized he swam out through the river in the night. Maybe it was just in the books, I remember them better than the show

[@lancesilvis4085]

@@Bananaficiary I think they just mention in the show that “one person fought to the death” presumably the black fish. Hopefully I misremembered and Jaime somehow let him get away with his life. It’ll make Jaime less of an honorless coward in my eyes.

[@stormtrooperisgb]

The Night King dying to a character who had ZERO connection to him for the sake of "subverting expectations" is the shallowest reason for having Arya kill him. That episode where she kills him is the literal FIRST TIME she even sees the NK. There is zero payoff and makes negative sense. My genuine reaction went from excitement to wtf in a matter of 10 seconds after it happened I basically said "OH. Wait, what. That's it?" Ok yes, obviously John was setup to kill the NK and guess what? That would've been a payoff regardless of how obvious it was, giving you some satisfaction at the very least. I mean holy hell, even Drogon killing the NK would've had a better payoff than Arya seeing as the NK killed one of his brothers in front of him. So at least there's a revenge aspect there.

[@brianshickey]

I actually think that Cersei had the biggest ‘character assassination ‘ in season 8 (and the entire series). For perhaps the best villain ever created, she had a handful of lines in the entire season & her spending all of her time looking out the window at the keep was being annihilated was pitiful. I feel truly horrible for Lena Headey as she put her soul into a decade of incredible acting and character development but was a non-entity in the last season. Weiss and Benioff absolutely gutted her character. Criminal.

[@lunateac]

great points!

[@DerekRabanal]

What more did you want Cersei to do in season 8? All the scheming and foundations of her character had already been laid up to the final season. What more could she have done?

[@brianshickey]

@@DerekRabanal Speak. I wanted her to speak. She’s been famously crafting monologues and dialogues throughout the show’s existence and in season 8 she complained about lack of elephants and drank wine. That’s it. She was robbed. If you look at any of the well done season 8 recaps on KZbin, this was mentioned as being one of the major character assassinations.

[@changingmind2522]

I agreed with you until you said the last two seasons. Cersei was fantastic in season 7!

[@brianshickey]

@@changingmind2522 You are totally right. I forgot about that amazing performance. I changed my post to include season 8 specifically. Thanks!

[@diamonddylanpage7150]

A few things about the honourable hero Ned- it was assumed he fathered Jon Snow while away at war, he pretty much started the Jamie Kingslayer name, he inadvertently caused Ashara Dayne(+her brothers death) and put Baratheon on the throne (was actual treason at the time).... Not everything is black and white and an absolute.

[@thegoldman25]

great points!

[@spearshake4771]

On the Kingslayer point I don't think it wouldn't really matter who called him that first. In this world if you were to kill your brother or someone in your family you would automatically be labeled a kinslayer like Maegor was. In the same fashion if you were to kill a king you'd be labelled a king slayer by default. Yes Ned might have spread the rumor faster but there were dozens of witnesses who saw Jaime sitting on the throne, his sword bloodied and his king lying dead before him. All the other points are valid though.

[@squattingheads]

Honor. Does not depend on doing the right thing, but doing it for the right reasons

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

New line of succession. The kingdom was conquered without dragons by badass Bobby B and his hammer. 🙌💪This is why I'll always prefer the baratheons and starks over the targaryens.

[@kushsingh4738]

@Diamond Dylan Page You ignore the context of theses events in order to villanize Ned. Ned was the first one to call Jamie the Kingslayer but people would have called him that regardless of what Ned said. He did not father Jon he told everyone he was his bastard because Jon was a Targraryean and if Robert found out about Jon's true parentage he would have killed him. Ned fought against the Mad King because the Mad King killed his brother and father and then ordered Jon Arryn to cut off his head and Robert's head and he thought Rhaegar had abducted and raped Lyanna, his sister. There is a possibility he knew the truth about Rhaegar and Lyanna but that doesn't change what the mad King did. Arthur's death is so mysterious that we can't judge whether or not Ned killing Arthur was the right decision. It is possible he did not kill Arthur or that Arthur is still alive. Ashara has the same problem it is so mysterious that we can't judge if Ned was responsible for her suicide or if she is even dead. The heir to Starfall Erick Dayne is nicknamed Ned which implies the the Daynes like Ned despite him supposedly commiting many atrocities against them.

[@wickdaline8668]

My girl Daenerys deserved better above all else for me too. Miguel Shipotnik, who's directed GOT episodes, might've made a fine replacement if D&D lost all passion to finish the series. For better or for worse.

[@thegoldman25]

Agreed

[@gus9663]

Miguel thought very similarly. What they needed were better writers

[@wickdaline8668]

@@gus9663 Does that mean HOTD is doomed as well?

[@michaelmcgee2026]

@@wickdaline8668 the wokeness injected into HoD will doom it just like RoP

[@dachitronmagnus5755]

@@wickdaline8668 no because they have Ryan Condal who is the main writer and showrunner. He is a massive book fan and his writing abilities compliments Miguel's visual skill.

[@lukamirm.1537]

I will never forget the thrill and excitement this series was able to evoke in me. The Red Wedding, Ned Stark's death, the constant feeling that good might not prevail. Each episode felt like a feverdream. Now the only thing that comes into my mind when GoT is mentioned is the the urge to suppress my memory of thos show. The first 4 season were the best things I have ever seen and felt like an internationale moment shared with so many people. Because of the ending I will not rewatch them anytime soon. I am however also extremely thankfull to D&D for beeing the first Producer to create a show beeing able to be - for a few seasons - the best show we might have ever seen.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

I've never been so attached to a work of fiction before too.

[@IshtarNike]

I'm glad you're not on the "she was always evil train." It's ridiculous that people hold her to modern moral standards but cheer when Arya murders an entire family, butchers them, bakes them, and feeds them to their patriarch. Such an outrageous double standard makes my head hurt.

[@samy29987]

The plotline was her going mad. It is a great story line and development of a character that has always wanted to brake chains and free people, but when left alone and with no allies would resort to the most extreme of measures. It makes sense, the show just didn't care to elaborate on that.

[@notribadsvault]

I agree mostly, but I think there were some moments that were meant to portray how she could have been a bad leader if she didn’t take the council of others and accept her mistakes.

[@anastasiab9506]

@@samy29987 bullshit. Resorting to extreme measures does not equal bad. All male characters killed, and brutally. Tywin ordered Elia and her little children to be murdered- is he mad? Tyrion killed his own father out of spite- is he mad? Drogo murdered and raped all his adult life- is he mad? Are slavers of the slavers bay mad for crucifying children? Why is it only the female character that might use males' tactics is suddenly mad?

[@eloeden2056]

@@anastasiab9506 exactly. everyone on this show have done awful stuff but suddenly you’ll hear one of these 3 excuses for daenerys : it runs in the family !! she was always a bit crazy !! she lost everyone she cared for !! the absolute GASLIGHTING some people are willing to be part of is pretty awful. There’s absolutely no reason for her to go mad and kill innocent people. none. she could have fly to the red keep, tore cersei apart and sit for the rest of her days on the throne 😂. she’s litteraly the only one who make « saving people from their condition » as her top list priority to the point that she loses 2 dragons + her army to save all westeros to fight the night king when she had the full force to conquer the world. for her to go mad would need something or someone to happen and it should be VERY bad and no, Jon being the true heir isn’t a big of a problem because he doesn’t care for the throne or they could get married anyway. i’m suspecting there’s tons of other characters in the books or missing elements that will take place that will explain the end of daenerys (if she turns mad and die) properly because right now there is NO reason. This last season and people who are willing to defend it are blatant insults to George RR Martin craft. They will jump ship for an appealing visual + a crappy excuse of a dialogue in an instant !

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

Arya murdered people who directly rejoiced and helped in the slaying of her family, servants, and friends. Dany murdered innocent villagers and children who didn't even know her or have any choice in cersei being their queen. She also encouraged her soldiers to kill the soldiers that surrendered and laid down their weapons, admitting defeat. Oh and Dany pretty much obliterated an entire house as well. It's not a double standard. You're just another Dany Stan who can't get it through your head.

[@callnight1441]

GoT is a perfect example of how important an ending is. If the ending is bad, the whole show/film/book will seem bad edit: when i said bad, i'm only talking about the show. the reason i put book in is because i was speaking about media in general. i still love the books even if i didnt enjoy AFFC and ADWD as much as the others

[@TheaTheGenius]

Literally. this show was cultural milestone. The second it ended, it literally vanished. Nobody talked about it, nobody was buying merch. What was once the most defining show of the 2010s just dissapeared. Compare that to Harry Potter, a book series that is still a cultural staple

[@thegoldman25]

agreed!

[@tiradegrandmarshal]

It does depend on how and why it is bad. GoT's was the worst kind of ending, the one that betrayed all of its characters and their development and every significant plot thread to the point that everything before it was a waste of time.

[@andomwoodard9371]

@@tiradegrandmarshal Dany was clearly crazy when we met her, Jon never wanted responsibility of a king, Bran was brains over brawn type from start, Arya always had skill with weapons and never was ladylike, Sansa went through the worst out of everybody so of course she would have the most change to her personality, and Tyrion was always better at talking than he was at actually executing a plan. What plot line really got abandoned?

[@creatrixZBD]

If you’ve ever played in a live band you know this. Nobody remembers any of your fuq ups if you all bring it home tight and in time at the finish.

[@thevgirl5428]

Couple of things you left out..."The lone wolf dies but the pack survives." All the Starks were separated in the end. And the reason the white walkers started their war and wanted to kill Bran... I really enjoyed this. Thanks

[@bouziB]

We dont even know why the night king wants to kill bran. Hes the "history of the world" or whatever 🙄

[@spntageous5249]

I hate how Jon killed Daenerys and then got punished for it, as if everyone didnt already wish Daenerys would die... Cersei can blow up the sept and get no consequences but if Jon kills the person who blew up the entire city he needs to be banished.

[@silverfoxchain]

I cant believe the actors actually went through the last season. Their expressions in the interviews was a huge sign.

[@ben6993]

They wanted the show to end because they all thought they were gonna have film careers afterwards. They could’ve all refused to do it, or at least said something and called out how badly the ending was.

[@biljancanin]

​@@ben6993 wouldn't helped them in any shape or form. Also, they had contracts for saying too much crap about it

[@jacklu1611]

@@ben6993wasn’t there the whole thing where the actor who plays Baristan the bold wrote to D&D about how killing him off wasn’t the best story and when this was bright up in an interview D&D just laughed and said “that just made us want to kill him off more”. I feel this would have disincentivized other actors from challenging their writing to some degree 🥲

[@beltalowda7897]

This show was so amazing.. I remember watching Kit Harrington's reaction to reading the script for the end and his lack of ability to hold in his cringe in.

[@henriklarssen1331]

The first 4 Seasons i agree, but after that the Series got worse with every Season. You could even see some small crack in S4 already, but up to that point the show realy was amazing. What a shame.

[@marekprochazka1284]

I've watched a number of similar videos to this over the years, but this one more than any other captures my feelings exactly. I remember after the Battle of Winterfell I lost all my interest and didn't watch the rest. It was disappointment, a feeling that everything that came before didn't matter in the end. All the theories I'd read about, countless hours spent watching debates on what the meaning of certain events was. It was all just...nothing. Thank you for making this video.

[@fedeanna8708]

Totally agree, in my mind the show ended with the funerals after the Long Night

[@DerekRabanal]

Wow. Sorry to hear that you didn’t get the ending you wanted. Sorry to hear that the theories you read about didn’t come to fruition.

[@DarlingMissDarling]

@@DerekRabanal the only thing anyone wanted was for it to make sense. The night king meant nothing, jon's parentage and magical rebirth meant nothing. Arya's time with the faceless men meant nothing. Things built up the entire series meant nothing in the end and could have just not been part of the story at all with how little it mattered at the end. If wanting it to make sense is "fanfic", ok. I guess.

[@veritasabsoluta4285]

@@DerekRabanal Wow. Sorry to hear that everyone thought the ending was shit, must make you mad knowing you are a tiny minority.

[@DerekRabanal]

@@veritasabsoluta4285 you’re the mad one kid

[@IshtarNike]

It's notable that the earliest seasons managed to provide action with a much smaller budget and far fewer big set pieces. The final seasons seemed to fall into the trap of assuming bigger = better. Definitely not true for a character focussed show. The final seasons moved further and further away from character focus and more towards moving the plot along.

[@DillsyYourDaddy67]

I'd have taken 100 Battles of the Blackwater or the Wall over the "long night" and the battle against lannisters and dothraki

[@SCarpelan]

I like the _idea_ of Dany turning into a villain and I even think it is from George's plans. If done well, it would have been a satisfying end to her arc: a person with immense power and a saviour complex has her dreams crushed and is not able to deal with this constructively. She is used to being the savior and bringer of justice but Westeros, the country she feels entitled to, rejects her. Power is another central theme in the series and until now she has been able to simply crush people who are morally awful and the brutal use of military power has been a tool for good. Her not being able to unlearn everything her life has taught her until now and use a different approach would be a tragic but realistic and thematical ending for her. And also, what will happen to the lands she "saved" when she is gone and her power is not stifling the old power structures anymore? The sense of privilege taught to her by her brother and the power she has gained and used successfully have made her perspective self-centered and building sustainable well-being requires a wider perspective.

[@thegoldman25]

I totally agree, thanks for watching!

[@Tarakat7]

It would have been great. Instead her decent into madness felt hallow and rushed

[@WillardWhiteaker]

I haven't watched the 8th season bc of hearing what they did to Dany and have seen what they already did to Tyrion and Jon. The two reasons for not having source material after season 4 and the showrunners rushing the ending.

[@TeKDeLorean]

I agree, it could have worked for her character but it's something that needs to be developed over a few seasons, not a few minutes like it was in S8

[@bwahhhhhhhh]

“The Night King” score when he dies is AMAZING, totally agreed. I can’t believe it’s not brought up more-props to Ramin Djawadi.

[@epicfactsbooks]

amazing score, agreed.

[@GnarledStaff]

Jaime had a back and forth question about whether he killed the mad king for his personal convenience, family, or moral good. Its a huge question that everyone knows and no one has the answer to. It made Jaime a wildcard, with various players unsure of his true motives. Even his father stepped careful around him, to some degree, because he was not 100% sure that Jaime was completely loyal. The scenes with Jaime and his father have this tensiom, with each sort of testing each other's limits. Its great.

[@brondermody3409]

Thank you for actually putting so much focus on the assassination of Daenerys, I hear a lot about how dirty Jon was done but I feel like Daenery's gets lumped in with a lot of other bad faith choices in the show and it's underrated how goddamn ruined she was. The way D&D turned a complicated character who thrived through violence and force but longed to be loved and have a happy family into some mad, jealous dictator was insane, esp since that role was already taken up by Cersei and pushing another woman in that direction certainly felt... wrong. In the books, Daenerys reflects a lot on her crueller actions and shows a lot of doubt. Whilst her actions can definitely be ruthless, they're not all entirely signs of madness but the results of someone who is picking an easier but more-destructive way in dealing with things. She steamrolls a lot of her enemies through brute force (with mostly good intentions such as freeing the slaves) which have unintended fallout that she has to deal with. Ultimately, she makes a lot of similar choices to a lot of the other characters in the show, like Jon executing Oliver, but with higher stakes and therefore more violence. But by season 8, she's held to a completely different standard; all her actions are perceived as being 'mad', despite evidence that the 'flip of a coin Targ madness' thing was more of a propaganda angle since very few Targs actually went mad and a large portion simply seemed more suicidal and depressed than batshit crazy. The way Jon was constantly praised for being an inevitable 'better ruler' despite spending most his time being a wildling or a ranger (which have their share of responsibilities sure) and even getting murdered from his bad choices, over Daenerys who had experience ruling a kingdom and had a loyal force to ensure her rule was so wrong. And in the end, it was all justified bc Dany was simply the mad woman with a big flamethrower whilst Jon was portrayed as this tragic 'should-be' king who will go down as a legend is just aaaaagh i'm angry all over again and it's been YEARS.

[@thegoldman25]

My pleasure!

[@timhendson2550]

Thank you why does a good queen 👑 have to turn bad

[@stephenjenkins7971]

@@timhendson2550 Because she is the inevitable antagonist of the story. At least in the books.

[@mirkosuzarteskarica9726]

THANK YOU

[@mjwbulich]

Her grandmother and grandfather were brother and sister. Her mother and father were brother and sister. She was always going to go insane. She was always going to be the bad guy. The Targaryens are evil. They came to Westeros with their dragons and subjugated everyone. If you were paying attention you would have never rooted for a Targaryen. Hell, if I were Bran I would have put Jon Snow to death. Better safe than sorry.

[@Shishkebarbarian]

As someone who's never read the books, the show was S-tier for me until Season 7. Season 7 hit me like a dozen dead canaries for a coal miner. I rang the alarms but no one listened. Then came Season 8 and i haven't re-watched a single episode since. and this was a show i would watch every season of, every year. What a sad, sad turn of events.

[@DaughterCesar]

As someone who is reading the books I can tell you even in the first four seasons they had cracks not because of bad writing but because the writers refused to do plots that were crucial later on for the story so no matter what the show would’ve been ruined later on

[@Shishkebarbarian]

@@DaughterCesar I can't agree with that. Going back and learning the differences I think the things cut made sense. Really we just need full seasons 7 and 8 and possibly a9

[@DaughterCesar]

@@Shishkebarbarian i strongly disagree some of the plots that were supposed to happen were extremely important like in the show Jaime and Tyrion after season 4 they were boring and not changing at all the writers cut out the Tysha plot that was supposed to come back to the show writers never did it so those two characters never changed especially Tyrion

[@devindoherty8728]

Thinking about Season 8 literally causes me physical pain

[@lucianaromulus1408]

I feel physical pain of anything after the 5th season lol

[@valentindorneanu666]

Same..

[@JordanEvansMusic]

My wife and I are watching it together (her first time my 20th time) this is literally first time watching GOT since I saw the final season. It was too bad for me to revisit the series. So we’re in season 2 and LOVING the show I seriously forgot how good it was. But anytime I see things especially white walker/Jon snow related I remember how badly it ends and I can’t enjoy the show to the fullest extent

[@MythicAce218]

so as someone who has not watched game of thrones(only clicked on this to see if it was good to watch) should i or should i not give it a watch? im seeing mixed answers

[@pappadontpreach7738]

@@MythicAce218 Despite the ending, its worth the watch. Even just to experience the storytelling of George RR Martin.

[@JordanEvansMusic]

@@MythicAce218 so I’m loving it right now. The first 4 seasons are the best TV in history I think. Watch it just to enjoy that but just realize the ending is really rushed and might leave you disappointed

[@DerekRabanal]

@@MythicAce218 I loved the entire series. Season 1-6 were the best and I loved them. Seasons 7 & 8, although not as great as the prior seasons, were still very good.

[@DerekRabanal]

You didn’t get the ending you wanted and because of that, you can’t enjoy the show to the fullest extent? What was so disappointing to you exactly?

[@SociaCin]

I always try to give credit where it's due. Those first 4 seasons were magic for me at the time. I just can't get over how badly they dropped the ball. They didn't run out of books, most of 4 and 5 were left unadapted.

[@jadewolf22]

As a huge Dany fan I was flabbergasted by season 8. If they spent 3 seasons working on her “evil” arc I could have been on board, especially if it was combined with doing something interesting with the fact that Jon was the true heir. But nope, they just completely dropped the ball. And you’re right about the legacy, because it feels like there’s no “complete” story I can rewatch and enjoy since season 8 feels like a complete different show that made no sense. Even years later it feels like such a bummer- the creative and impactful potential was so high and it was such a let down to see that all go to waste.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

If they really wanted to make her a complete villain. They could have showed her rule in Meereen failed epically, societal collapse, etc, she loose faith in her good will and just cares for power etc. They could have had tragedy of Dany with Drogon killing Jon's Rheagal (Jon's bond with Rheagal just gets forgotten, Jon didn't even cared Rheagal died) etc. Impromptu genocide of people she had no animus for and didn't benefit her in anyway is so unbelievably stupid for a story

[@mariohnyc]

I like the idea of Jamie being the one killing the night king, in a final act of self sacrifice. A true King Slayer.

[@thegoldman25]

I love it too, it would’ve been perfect!

[@RedSpade37]

​@@IsaacPiezac I would have wept for several minutes.

[@TheBrownlowboys]

​@@IsaacPiezac😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@briancallaway1690]

I agree, he was already the king slayer. It would have fit perfectly.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

And it shouldn't be cliche jump out of no where kill. I knew something like that would happen knowing how few episodes there was and all the main chacters were about to (should have) died. There should be some twist about Night King's origin/purpose too.

[@LetsNotBeHasty]

The way you put it in the end that the legacy is ruined is heartbreaking but true. Something we used to love so much not even worth recommending anymore, it's pain beyond any.

[@ArDeeMee]

This statement makes zero sense. Why wouldn‘t you recommend watching season 1-6? What about them has changed? Nothing. That’s what.

[@GhostSal]

I agree, the way they treated Daenerys at the end was absurd, her turning evíl is not justified at all in her story. Season 8 ruined the show entirely for me, and I loved the show before the last 2 seasons.

[@haselbasil2488]

I hated the way they ender Daenerys , you can have someone go mad without them becoming completely evil, what the writers did left you feeling like her life didn't matter. Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[@gfilmer7150]

Her assassination was foreshadowed Stannis Baratheon's "fall to the darkside"

[@GhostSal]

@@gfilmer7150 I know people say that in the books she was always intended to go evíl, it just doesn’t make sense in terms of the show.

[@gfilmer7150]

@@GhostSal The show whitewashed her so that’s why her turn to the dark side doesn’t make any sense.

[@TysheenOrane]

but in the book she became mad like her father.

[@bobbyadamson2333]

We’re gonna be 90 meeting other 90 year olds and being like “dude remember the fucking last season of game of thrones? Fuck!”

[@masonshipley7377]

Way to good of a comment

[@Andre_APM]

It always annoyed me how the fandom held Dany to this double standard compared to the other characters, but it was truly baffling when the writers bent over backwards to make her this incredibly evil character out of nowhere.

[@daisyn.s302]

what double standard?

[@Toxic0788]

​@@daisyn.s302 My guess is, Starks and Lannisters all killed their enemies and are praised for it. They lost major loved ones and sought justice by killing those that did them wrong. But when Dany did it, or when she lost major loved ones, it was all used to say "SEE! The seeds of madness were always there!" . . . . "She kills her enemies because she's a tyrannical psycho!" or . . . "She had no one else who loved her and so she snapped!"

[@-BuddyGuy]

Dany didn't do much to deserve the praise. She needed advisors to babysit her through every decision. She was gifted the dragon eggs. She flaunted her sense of entitlement without shame. She literally expected the whole world without having to do anything. Every other character knew they had to put the work in themselves. Even the worst of them were able to scheme something. Dany was a helpless idiot. I thought a major weakness of the show was just how unlikeable she was, with her irritating smug self righteous face. Cersei had much more dignity.

[@leroture7750]

@@-BuddyGuy Everyone was gifted something, Dany used what she got, advisors and dragons, just as well as anyone else did. This is exactly the double standard op was talking about.

[@-BuddyGuy]

@@leroture7750 I've just clearly explained the distinction so if you still think there's a double standard in my thinking my diagnosis for you is that you are incapable of not thinking there's a double standard.

[@brothercharlesjohnson]

The most shocking death in this entire series… more than Ned losing his head… more than the fall of the Starks in the Red Wedding… more than the boy king finally getting served his just desserts at the Purple Wedding… was Season 8 when the show runners murdered the show…

[@LordSluggo]

Show watchers think Season 8 ruined the show. Book readers know it had been off the rails since Season 5

[@trumpsextratesticle8590]

lol, not going to lie, you had me in the first half- Fucking Bravo!

[@MPT1983]

This was my favorite show for years, no question, it's a tragedy how quickly it fell off the face of the earth after the final season

[@biggibbs4678]

As season 7 went on and I learned how few episodes season 8 has I already started to worry it would be bad. There was obviously no way to finish the story in so few episodes.

[@thegoldman25]

I didn't mention this in the video, but I watched the entire series for the first time a few months before season 8 came out. So I have a somewhat unique perspective

[@sharonpernes3487]

Agreed, that was part if the problem. But I still enjoyed the season. The battles were good shows.

[@ocsjc13]

It took u that long? After season 5 u should have known

[@AstroSully]

Yep they were cutting down not only the season in which George asked for at least 10 seasons but also the episodes from the regular 10 episodes per season. That was when I knew after S7 it was gonna be extremely rushed.

[@DerekRabanal]

You say that, but they did finish the story in so few episodes. Would I have liked the show to go on forever? Absolutely. DND did the best with what they had. And with that in mind, I enjoyed season 7 & 8 very much.

[@Hoosje11]

I never get tired of these videos. Honestly the biggest failure in TV series history. Such a shame.

[@thegoldman25]

thanks for watching!

[@DerekRabanal]

Biggest failure in TV series history? Despite all the amazing things the show did, you consider this the biggest failure? Yikes.

[@XRPHank]

@@DerekRabanal it is the biggest failure in history.. Game of Thrones is literally unwatchable now.. why bother started the series over from season 1? It just ends up leading to absolute trash in the end .

[@non_conformist4229]

@@DerekRabanal it very much is, everyone knows the show for the horrible ending, even the people who didn’t even watch it. A legacy ruined

[@justsomeclip4697]

​@@XRPHank People like you are dumb af it's like Batman Killing a Innocent citizen by a simple mistake people forget about the good things he did

[@Victoria-xf8sh]

Arya’s faceless man training paid off when she killed the Frey house. She was the absolute worst pick to kill the Night King. Thank you so much for making this. I still have a hole in my heart from GOT8 and videos like this always ease the pain a bit.

[@spntageous5249]

not only was she the worst pick to kill the NK, her journey was never about that! She could have killed Cersei, she could have finished her list of characters to kill - nah lets make her kill the big bad bc she's so awesome. Arya used to be my favorite and they just used her as another Cool Protagonist Who Can Do Stunts. And the worst part is, her whole killing the NK doesnt even make sense, like how did she get to him, did she struggle, what was her whole plan? One does not simply kill the NK. But no, i guess the message of Arya's story is that if you are cool warrior girlie you can kill anyone.

[@katjagerman3715]

Yeah, this arya’s arc is also left unfinished. We don’t know why this b&w chirche exists and what really faceless people do. And arya’s accomplished only frey’s mission - and it was very good. Not any other of her list. Also Cercei was her main goal as i remember.

[@Desocupad0]

Should have been Sam the slayer

[@billzens3664]

@@spntageous5249 Arys's killing of the NK was rushed. Like everything else in S8 it was rushed...I just got the feeling that D+D didn't care anymore and wanted to get this thing over with.

[@spntageous5249]

@@billzens3664 they knew arya is a fan favorite and already a plot armored assassin

[@okamichamploo]

3 years later, and it still hurts. Such a sad end to what could've been a masterpiece.

[@pompeythegreat297]

DUMB AND DUMBER SHOULD DO THE WALK CERSEI DID AS A APOLOGY

[@charliethesquishywitch340]

To me, they absolutely wrote everyone turning their backs on Danaerys to justify her murdering everyone at the end. She's alone, she's lost everyone, people fear her now, it makes sense right guys ? It was so in your face.... They wanted her to turn bad and had no idea how to make it happen organically, in my opinion. Which is also quite bad because yeah, burn the red keep why not. Mercilessly murder some people why not, but turn into a full blown maniac and erase and city like that ? Nope, not Dany, that was her entiere arc : she's not her ancestors. Same as Jamie : you are not your parents, your genetics don't make your decisions, you can be a good person despite your history. I believe that was kinda the point of the whole show somehow. Bad idea trough and trough

[@haselbasil2488]

Thank you, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. They didn't need to make her completely evil, they betrayed her character because she did have good in her.

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

Trough and trough lolol

[@Rammstein0963.]

Ffs... I'm no fan of d&d but this was coming since season 1 ep 6 when she nonchalantly watched her brother get *gelded* and ate an animal's *heart* it just LOOKS rushed because they went from slow burn to nuclear almost overnight...

[@epitaph3988]

@@Rammstein0963. How is her brother’s death evidence of her “madness”? She was abused by Viserys her entire life and essentially sold into slavery by him, and yet she continued defending him and giving him opportunities to change right up until he threatened her unborn child. I think her reaction to his death was pretty justified by that point. And none of that changes the fact that her burning innocent people alive is completely contrary to her character, which is defined largely by her desire to free and protect the common people. No amount of development would make that work other than her just actually going insane, which honestly would just be lame and boring no matter how it’s written.

[@noxfior]

@@Rammstein0963. ah yes, watching your abuser get what he deserves after threatening your life for the 3489734589th time is her being mad. The misogyny and nonsense just jumping out of y'all, it's almost funny

[@mikes5637]

The show has also killed the books. I believe the ending we got was what GRRM revealed to D&D, but it was supposed to unfold over a longer period of time. He now believes we all hate the ending and has spent years trying to rewrite it into something else, but he can't do it. What he doesn't understand that we would accept Danaerys following her father into becoming the Mad Quenn and Jon being forced to become the Queenslayer. If that plot thread had unfolded over the course of 10 episodes with the Season end cliffhanger being Jon running Dany through with his sword it would have been the equivalent of The Red Wedding: people would stil have lost their shit but it would fit with the tone of the show. Instead it was crammed into a handful of episodes. Danaerys in Season 7: "I didn't come all this way to rule over ashes." Season 8, episode 5: burns everything and everyone. Also the White Walkers being stopped at Winterfell after all the main characters had teleported there should not have happened. They should have been a relentless force and made it all the way to King's Landing and be maybe bestopped by Wildfire... remember that? It's constantly referred to and demonstrated to spectacular effect in Season 6, then never mentioned again. But regardless of how they're defeated they should have been a big enough threat to fill an entire season once south of The Wall. George RR Martin needs to finish the books following his original vision, not be swayed by the betrayal of the same producers he trusted with his magnum opus in the first place. Most people who just watched the show won't read them anyway.

[@DillsyYourDaddy67]

Apparently GRRM said that season 5 onwards grew further and further from what he had intended and told D&D.

[@alecshockowitz8385]

I entirely agree. But, I think the source of this failure of writing is very visible in the books. The removal of critical characters wildly shifted the story and completely destroyed the timeline, resulting in characters acting in irrational or bipolar ways, because the character stuck to the same plot points they will hit in the books, just in a different order. Also, other characters seem to have been left behind in the dust, not getting a proper send off, resulting in awkward situations. In short I think this is best seen with King's Landing's Character Plotlines Young Griff, who is secretly one of the children the Mountain killed in the Oberyn plotline, invades the Stormlands, right at the end of season 5. He likely ends up quickly moving towards King's Landing, allying Dorne along the way. This siege ends up bringing Jaime home very quickly, seeking to defend Cersei and in some ways causing his character to regress. (Rather than regressing immediately after an extremely honorable arc). Cersei, fearing the Tyrells will betray her and being in a weak position does the same stupid moves with the Faith. After blowing up the Sept and wiping the possibly traitorous Tyrells, this instantly loses her the war. As quite simply, Young Griff would become a symbol of the faith, and the gates would be opened for him upon his arrival. Around this time, I think that Jaime would end up killing Daenarys. Its possible he dies a sad death in prison or something else by this point, or goes north and is further redeemed fully. This helps solve a variety of issues: Cerseis bizarre lack of plot after the Sept exploding. Jaime being bipolar. The Faith magically disappearing from the plot. It gives more reasons for Daenarys to go crazy. It moves the plot forwards, while detailing the past surrounding Robert's Rebellion (many of Young Griffs advisors fled after the Civil War.) Additionally this has knockon effects for Daenarys. Daenarys is wary of other Targaryen Pretenders. Daenarys is furious that someone comes in and steals all of her thunder and support, because fundamentally she wasted time trying to end slavery, an honorable goal. The only real loss here is that the Hound and the Mountain never face off. When characters ran out of book plot D&D just literally stopped writing them having any agency after S5.

[@DillsyYourDaddy67]

@@drogon2339 You got a source for this interview?

[@haselbasil2488]

I could never accept Dany killing all those people, she was a beloved character and you don't need to make her completely evil for her to go mad. She was good in the beginning so they should have found a way for her to go mad and die but in a way that left her with redeeming qualities, so you could look back on her life and say she did some good and her life was not meaningless . The way they ended her just leaves you sad for the character, she deserved more.

[@michaelnkomphela8231]

@@drogon2339 I hope you are correct- I am not a Danny fan, a lot of characters got butchered in the last two seasons, Jon ,Varys, Little finger got really dummed down- sad. And I am sorry Bran as king? hell no.

[@fongdimbulator]

I used to catch the train to central Tokyo every week to watch GoT with a huge crowd of foreigners at a craft beer pub. It was amazing having a tv show achieve "event" status and be able to enjoy it with like-minded people. I wonder if we'll get another show that makes people this excited again.

[@trumpsextratesticle8590]

Not with "Woke" hollywood. They are too busy throwing a Tantrum since Trump won in 2016.

[@vercingetorixavernian8978]

“IT’S NOT HOW YOU START, IT’S ABOUT HOW YOU FINISH” They ruined it for everyone. Including the AUTHOR himself

[@jblaze600]

The first 4 seasons was amazing. Watching it every Sunday, seeing what happens next. Loved the lore and story telling.

[@alienlv426ify]

A famous movie director ( I can't remember his name) said " a bad ending ruin a good movie" and, this applies to Game of Thrones.

[@thegoldman25]

this is true!

[@marshmello3227]

That's so true. Many chefs and cooks have a saying " a dessert is the most important part of the course because you mostly remember the meal by the last thing you ate" And GoT is like a delicious 5⭐️ course but at the end you get dry- almost fully burned (like King's landing) spongecake with mouldy cream and rotten cherry at the top. 😅

[@joeball7925]

I always liked that Ned respected Arthur dayne so much he didn’t want people to think he died dishonourable he didn’t say he best Arthur dayne in 1 on 1 combat for his own fame to be the guy that did it but to make Arthur’s legacy as a knight not be tainted by being someone stabbed in the back

[@Jamazed]

That's also consistent with how Ned is still willing to lie if he has to protect something - lying about Jon, lying about Tyrion's kidnapping, and lying about committing treason.

[@simplypodly]

@@Jamazed in the first book, A Game of Thrones, he even teaches this lesson to Arya when she lies about Nymeria running away. "It was right, and even the lie was not without honour."

[@LabrnMystic]

For daenerys's ending, she was destroying all the scorpions around the walls and anywhere there were Lannister soldiers. You saw little green explosions in the city as well. She could have stopped burning the city but then the wildfire finished it off, and then the common folk would all put the blame on her for burning down the city when it was actually Cersei. Then daenerys's assassination could be a tragedy, it wasn't her fault the city burned down because of cersei and the wildfire being planted around. That the other great houses in Lord's forced Jon Snow to kill her for the good of the realm, because the people of westeros would not follow her because they all think she was guilty of destroying the city. Just like how everyone hated Jaime Lannister for killing the med King, because they didn't know he was going to do the same thing cersei did

[@jongee7034]

Visarion bringing down that wall in two breaths has always fascinated me. He hovered over and torched that wall for over a minute. I always wondered how long can the dragons keep the torching going if the wanted. And Visarion has the longest showing in the franchise

[@ArDeeMee]

He melted the wall that was magically reinforced against melting. 👍

[@WhoDey6886]

GRRM has publicly said he wanted at least 10 seasons to wrap up GOT and HBO was all for it but the writers wanted it to end so it just felt rushed in season 8

[@thegoldman25]

yeppers

[@Allaiya.]

Spot on analysis. I agree with everything stated 100%. I was happy though with all the seasons up until S8. The whole Daenerys went 'mad' in a few episodes feels like such a cheap, narrative co-opt. While there are a few times she was ruthless or hot-tempered, other characters were as well & they are not labeled as such. And there were dozens of other offsetting examples of how she had compassion, especially for the common folk, all the way up to even S7.

[@thegoldman25]

Great points! Thanks for watching!

[@pplr1]

Yes. There is strong evidence the earlier plan for season 8 itself had wildfire being what wrecks King's Landing. Since the actual "Mad King" planned to use it to do just that some groundwork had been laid. But what many people think of as rushing (and yes it was rushed) may partly be last minute changes. Since they are last minute they aren't well thought out and thus add to the sense of things being rushed since they were rushed already.

[@Allaiya.]

@@pplr1 I heard that and it makes a lot more sense. Especially if Cersei had a hand in it too. But I don't know how that would get Jon to kill Dany, unless there was some confusion that she had done it on purpose.

[@pplr1]

@@Allaiya. That was probably 1 of the plot holes D and D was trying to cover by making the change. Jon would see Dany wouldn't have wanted it to happen. Now in the books there is the possibly Jon may kill Daenerys as part of making a magic sword he may feel he needs to deal with the White Walkers so GRRM may have planned that. But that would be more of a willing and either heroic or redemptive sacrifice on her part to save Westeros. I see that as possible in the books since with GRRM a lot of the powerful magic is blood magic. D and D may have wanted some of the same emotional impact of Jon feeling he had to kill Dany when he didn't want to but since they likely removed the White Walkers too early in the show (before Cersei was gone rather than afterwards) then D and D made up another excuse to have a similar scene instead of using logic to ask themselves if such a scene should exist in the 1st place when it shouldn't. Also there was some foreshadowing Jon and Daenerys may have a child. Foreshadowing that D and D ignored in season 8. If Jon went the magic sword route this would leave Jon with the irony of having to raise a child without his mother after Jon himself had been raised with the belief he was Ned's son but not knowing who his mother was. EDIT: To be clear these are educated guesses at least partly informed by people who paid much better attention to details in the books than I. Since GRRM may or may not finish the books we may not see if they were correct or not. That said I do think it is true the earlier plan for season 8 was for wildfire to have a much bigger impact than the aired version of season 8 had. So at very least D and have shown a willingness to make major changes from their own plans let alone GRRM's (though details exist proving they made changes from his as well since Tyrion and Euron are very different characters in the books and the situation in Dorn is also different.)

[@pplr1]

@@Allaiya. Also thanks for the reply and mentioning you heard about the wildfire too.

[@Thedoctorjosh]

For me, the fact that they reveal Jon Snow was part Targaryen but never had him exposed to fire and survive is the worst. They could have had an epic scene at the battle with the night King where John gets blasted with dragon fire and is unharmed.

[@L-Thatcher]

Jon has burns on his hand, from early on.

[@capablanc]

That's not the kind of thing you don't notice about yourself before reaching Jon's age. Not all Targaryans resist fire. Viserys is killed by hot gold in like season 1.

[@abriaangel9986]

I could never rate GOT in my favorite shows of all time list because of how it just didn't stick the landing, same with The Walking Dead and that sucks because I loved both. I absolutely hated how the the R+L=J storyline lead to nothing, even naming him Aegon annoyed me because Rhaegar already had a son name Aegon and making Bran the king, pissed me all the way off. It seemed like the writers were simply subverting expectations just to throw the audience off, nothing made sense based on the characters and stories they had built up over the course of the show.

[@thegoldman25]

I totally share your sentiment, thanks for watching!

[@tooslow4065]

yeah. bran, who said he could never be lord of winterfell, yet could be king of westeros? right

[@ShaolinShadowStroke]

The problem is that a lot of showrunners have forgotten their primary task. It's not just to tell a story. It's to take us, the viewers, on a journey from point A to point B. That journey should be enjoyable, non-tedious, and logical. If I'm taking a tour-guided trip from Atlanta to Los Angeles, I don't expect to be dropped in Utah halfway there and then forgotten. And I don't expect to arrive at LA, be shown a few restaurants, and then be told, "well, that's it!" when there's so much more of LA to explore. GOT fans were so pissed about the last two seasons b/c Seasons 7 and 8 basically made the 6-year journey that came before them virtually meaningless. The showrunners basically had us heading to LA, then just said "screw it" and dropped us in the middle of Salt Lake City.

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

Bran was literally missing for an entire season. If they wanted everyone to be OK with him on the throne, atleast don't keep him out of the show for so long and help us as the audience understand what being the 3 eyed raven even means cause at this point I still don't get it. I still don't get why it was so significant and why bran was chosen out of everyone in the country. I don't get why he turned into an emotionless vegetable either.

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

@@ShaolinShadowStroke They had us believing Jon was brought back for a reason as the prince who was promised, the manifestation of FIRE AND ICE, AZOR AHAI only to have him banished and have him not even kill the night king. So who did he save? What was the point? He killed Dany AFTER she burned most of kings landings citizens to death and then he got punished for it by stupid grey worm. BTW the dothraki should be loyal to Jon and should have protected him since he killed their khal per their beliefs. Oops logic went out the window. If making Jon king was too "predictable" then they should have never brought up the prophecies or his true lineage because in the end both of those plot points meant nothing. They also shouldn't have brought him back to life if they were going to make it meaningless.

[@Ben-vg6ox]

Got only got hated on so much because it was a good show at first It's only when you put something masterful next to garbage that people can tell the difference

[@thegoldman25]

nah, if the last season was just mediocre people wouldn't be outraged

[@Truthster772]

You’re 100% spot on with all of it. These plots, all of them, ended up being all for nothing. It’s beyond depressing.

[@novinka19]

he has a lot of errors and apple vs oranges comparisons in his video, he either watched the series only once, didn't rewatch it in a long time or just grabbed the top post of r/freefolk for his video. overall i agree with his video but the points made were sometimes off the mark.

[@dianahauser5390]

Don't forget about how all of the prophecies were completely ignored. The one for Cersei and her children, "Gold would be their crowns and gold would be their shrouds" happened, but she was supposed to be killed by the Valanquar, which is one of the reasons she always hated Tyerion. The "Prince Who Was Promised"? Just completely forgotten.

[@mcoverdale]

True. That was a big thread that never got closure. Arya should have killed her wearing jaimes face, then tyrions then revealed as her.

[@jamo491]

Absolutely brilliant. I am delighted that you made this video. Your explanations of the errors made in the story are something I felt but could never articulate well. Thank you and well done.

[@thegoldman25]

Many thanks!

[@BIaZeDaSHeLL]

the main reason why the ending ruined this show is because of "rewatchability" its hard to rewatch it knowing how it ends meaning nothing

[@DerekRabanal]

The end meant nothing? Lol okay.

[@blion2225]

Started to rewatch the series again a couple weeks ago and I just can’t do season 8 again yes 7 was bad but I can stomach it but 8? Just burn it all

[@spntageous5249]

it was even hard for me to watch House of the Dragon simply because I know what's happening to the last Targaryens.....

[@BIaZeDaSHeLL]

@@spntageous5249 just think if game of thrones ended well and was done well how much better house of dragon would be even make the prophecy fit idk

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

@@spntageous5249 Yhea, I have a hard time bring myself to watch it even though it should be something I love

[@xGaLoSx]

I honestly pity people that weren't a part of this show while it aired. As you said, it was an event not just some show. Don't think we'll ever get a show like this again.

[@LuciferAlmighty]

I'm honestly glad I watched it well after and got to power watched.

[@lopeshick9607]

I pity people who never watched this as it aired and are now able to get into it knowing what awaits at the end. No disappointments, just knowing it ends horribly.

[@kennethnystrom593]

There is one show out there with just as massive twist as Jon Snow not being Ned Starks son and that is as big as GoT. And that is Doctor Who. In Doctor Who (still hidden but deducable) there is a mad child of 2 siblings ruining the 2 universis (plural) that child affects. (Read the Master) Hidden in that show the Master is having 3! parents, 2 siblings and a 3rd person. =the child is having DNA from 3! different whoniversis. On top of that the Masters parents 1 never knew they had that child, 1 knew but never told and 1 that forgot . There are several other plottwosts that GoT mimics (life after a death is one; and I do not just mean regenerations...) There are "celestials" protecting thier ascentions in Doctor Who just as well those that was negativly impacted by the process that ascended the "celestial" that does everything to stop that "ascention" both in Doctor Who and most likly GoT. If you want I can go into details.

[@Crichjo32]

Everything up until the last season was amazing. The fervent discussions and theories about how it would end, the endless gold standard memes, the rumours and behind the scenes leaks that caused all sorts of frantic gossip. It was truly special whilst it lasted, and it was something that could be discussed with anyone, like it was a sports game or something. It was a phenomenon, and I doubt we'll see its like again.

[@RoySATX]

I'm old enough to remember the last time this sort of thing happened, there were only three channels to choose from.

[@Dendelin007]

oh my god im subbed, what a channel. I just wanted to look into this video for couple of minutes but could not not finish it haha

[@thegoldman25]

Wow, thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@PieceOfCherryCake]

Brilliant video. It's nice to be reminded how absolutely amazing this show used to be but also sad how irrelevant the story has become. It was especially fun to follow Dany's captivating path and character development for a decade only to end up with "Now she evil, genocide bad, must be taken down!" (hmm, where else did I see a similar character assassination...)

[@thegoldman25]

Thanks for watching!

[@brlyjo]

Even though it was a side character, the plot arc of Hodor is the greatest. most tragic, and startling that I have ever seen in a movie or series

[@michaelwhittaker3355]

The message of Denaris is that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. It’s a warning on the dangers of Utopianism which was building with denaris’s clear belief that anyone who wasn’t with her was against her the writers just paced it too fast

[@tiktokrecipe183]

When Bran asked Benjen Stark if he could cross the wall with them, he said the dead can't cross since it was built with magic then the whole waiting for the Dead at winterfell was crazy 🤣🤣🤣

[@pyropulseIXXI]

People saying that "they wanted to move on" as if that makes sense are brain dead. D&D could've gone down in history as making the literal beast TV show adaption of *ALL TIME;* their literal _magnum opus._ Instead, they go down in history as the two fools that utterly ruined what could've been the best TV show, and instead made the literal worst ending to any TV show.... How was that worth 'moving on?' I would've been utterly dedicated to this show, if I were them, recognizing that this would be my finest work by far, that nothing will ever surpass it, so I must make it that much better; I wouldn't go "Well, I've been working on this too long; time to move on!" and then sabotage the show with mass incompetence

[@deeplydeeplydope1111]

I like this breakdown a lot. The instrumental in the back isn't too loud or distracting, and you're pace is right up my street. Good job.

[@deargodwhyamihere]

I remember coming into my parents' room while my dad was watching GOT back when I was a bit too young to watch it, and this was the only time I ever saw any part of a GOT episode. I remember just catching this brief glimpse of Jon Snow rolling around fighting White Walkers. It meant literally nothing to me at the time, but when I went through and watched the show and got to Hardhome, I recognized that scene. I'd forgotten I'd ever seen it but it all came back to me then and I had this really cool moment where it all sort of came full circle.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

I saw the clip of the Red Wedding and a parody of it before I had any interest in the show. I didn't remember the characters or where it was etc. But immediately made the connection when the wedding scene begun.

[@ketefsky]

This is probably here already, but Aerys II wasn't mad from the beginning. He was held prisoner and endured stillbirths and deaths from his children. These experiences pushed his personal tendencies to the extreme. Daenerys (and others) just makes a 180 in the show after a single event. There is no gradual decline with her becoming ever harsher after the crucifixions.

[@mrfernandez1804]

Wow spot on ! You took my thoughts and put them in a video. The Dany we know would have never done that! Sad to see what Johns character did and how he ended up

[@thegoldman25]

Thanks for watching!

[@tiradegrandmarshal]

The lack of the Tysha confession at the end of A Storm of Swords, which should've been at the end of Season 4, completely ruined Tyrion in the later seasons.

[@nbucwa6621]

i keep hearing people say this but I don't get the logic behind it. How exactly would Tysha's confession impacted tyrion's character arc in the later seasons?

[@tiradegrandmarshal]

@@nbucwa6621 If you read A Dance with Dragons you would know without asking.

[@nbucwa6621]

I mean, yes but I never claimed I read the books and I am asking . . .

[@Overlord99762]

@@tiradegrandmarshal laziest fucking reply lmao

[@pauldameron9310]

First a Gold Man stream and now the new Video. Im living the life of my dreams xD

[@thegoldman25]

Thanks!

[@BoyKagome]

That's not a hard and fast rule, when Padme said "You're breaking my heart." It was strong because it was like she had no words, so the most simplistic understanding of what was happening to her was the best she could say...and this from a Senator who was a word smith.

[@brandonwhite4992]

I personally think they should do an alternative universe schtick and redo the story from the end of season 5 at the least... if they can't do it grand scale, just do it with SNOW, having it start over again with him being killed. I think major plot lines like Young Griff and Euron should be added/redone as well. The back half of the story deserves to be treated with proper care and detail

[@thegoldman25]

I think they should just redo season 8 and make it 10 episodes. seems realistic

[@hadikhan5197]

They could always start a new season which shows All the Characters waking up back to the Morning after the Meeting/Council where Cersi sees the undead fellow takes Place..👻👍🏻👍🏻

[@joshuaadams6565]

Even Daenerys storyline in season 2 is way different from her in the books. Just reboot the whole thing in 10-15 years

[@brandonwhite4992]

@@joshuaadams6565 yep that is true. Plus they could also redo Sansas storyline and avoid abusing her again once she gets a bit of freedom for shock and awe purposes while also making little finger look like a dolt.

[@MFBloosh]

The "hate" for seasons 5 and 6 is new and no one was saying these things when those seasons were airing. Sure, people made fun of the Dorne storyline, but that's about it.

[@EB99922]

Dany’s death feeled forced she killed everyone in king’s landing just to give Jon a reason to kill her at the end

[@sleepingxbooty]

You need to read the books, she progressively went mad over time and it wasn’t as immediate like the show… the books are much more believable

[@fabriciorosso9807]

I will copy paste a comment I made in another video: I read the books before watching the show, so I was always active with the "minority" side of the fandoms, who looked critically at the show. But I don't remember people critizicing almost anything of the show in season 1, circa 2011-12. It was an almost perfect adaptation, and even the most purist fans didn't complain. Or atleast I don't remember it. In season 2, I remember fans complaining just a bit, that it made some changes that book readers thought were unnecessary or superficial, but it was shrugged off and universally prased. The same happened with season 3. It was in season 4 where the voices of complain started to become louder. As you said, a lot of things felt "different", more pandering, watered down, with some adaptation choices being called into question (I remember the lack of Tysha being a major point of discussion). But the highs of that season were so high, the "complainers" were still a small portion of the show, who at that point, was massively popular. It was still, in my opinion, very good television, and a masterpiece, in the eyes of the majority of the fandom. But you could see that something was beggining to change. But the turning point who split the fanbase permanently, was season 5. From that point on, and despite some episodes or scenes having a lot of popularity (the battle of the bastards, for example), the show and it's fandom were never the same. Yes, the show was massively popular, but skeptics were growing almost as fast. Actually now that I think of, those good and praised moments from season 5 onwards, always felt like an island in a sea of mediocrity, and the people who still defended the show to death (who with each season became less and less) sighed with relief with these moments. But these momments were few, and by season 7, the only thing that remained was hope that the show will turn it around in the last season. And... well... We know what happened in season 8. Of course that doesn't mean that season 5-7 (I've never seen anyone defend season 8) were bad television and didn't have a lot of fans. But I think the divide between Seasons 1-4 and 5-8 is massive.

[@boiledelephant]

Seasons 6-7 were such a mixed experience, like you can feel it really going sideways in places by that point but some moments are just...phenomenal. The Stark banners being unfurled after the Battle of the Bastards is probably the most emotional scene in the series for me, it's the longest (and best) setup and payoff I can think of in any TV show. Also, watching all these clips has reminded me just how powerful and memorable this show's big moments were. Jaime's backstory scene is devastating, I haven't seen it in years and can still remember it vividly. Same goes for Tywin's death. And Arya and the Hound wrecking Arya's old captors in that inn. And Olenna's final confession to Jaime. And Cersei's revenge on the Septa woman. And Tyrion's trial. And Littlefinger's ladder speech. And Oberyn's alignment to Tyrion. And Tyrion's monologue about the beetles. Excuse me, I think I need to rewatch Game of Thrones...

[@MrMythul]

Keep in mind for the praise you gave the first few seasons. George helped with the show for the first 4 seasons. It wasn't until major changes started to be pushed that he stopped helping the show. The new dialogue in the early seasons like little finger and varys or tywin and Jaime were likely him.

[@Zazzaro703]

Arya and her training did pay off though. She wiped out all the Freys an ending for her arc that made sense and was a good payoff for The Red Wedding. That was another annoying thing about her killing the Night King, she already had her ending.

[@glenncordova4027]

When did she learn how to fly? I thought that was the worst part of Season 8. Not so much that she killed the night king but how she did it. It was too forced and fake. The whole night king/ army of the dead seemed like a total waste after such a big build up. Like it was all a big joke on the audience.

[@kavyadas5360]

The problem with Aryas and Bran's skills were that.. It's not a strength. It's an omnipotent superpower that rips away all elements of surprise, struggle and humanity. And it didn't pay off. It created a convenient way to eliminate any complications without any effort.

[@mrmusickhimself]

She was trained to be a stealthy assassin....yet she SCREAMS as she jumps at the Night King, for no reason, and should have been chokeslammed for it.

[@glenncordova4027]

The scream was actually a sonic device that let her fly through the air. LOL

[@mcoverdale]

She should have been the valenquar that killed cerci in the prophecy

[@KEENANALLENASMRGLASS]

The last thing Ned told Jon was that he would tell him everything the next time they saw each other... 🥺

[@BrianRosborough]

For the algorithm!!! Love ya Goldman, keep up the great work. God speed mate!

[@rakannammari2566]

Yes the series needed 10 seasons for sure - at the same time you can’t say that Dany and John weren’t seen as both bad and good simultaneously John was seen as stupid by the other northern lords for even going down to dragonstone yet we as the audience and others (like wildings) remember all the good he’s done.Dany was seen as hero by the audience yet she was seen as an invader by the entire north and kings landing. It wasn’t well stretched out and there was not a complexity in dialogue or much scheming that’s for sure, yet it had moments that felt heroic. I liked that the Starks were seen as the heros, even tho it wasn’t John

[@Malekoo8525]

It needed More

[@mrlee3294]

I’d argue 16-20 seasons, shiiit

[@spacekitt.n]

love the backstory in this! never heard a lot of these behind the scenes stories. seriously unbelievable how different the show would be without emilia clarke and michelle fairely...they are so perfect in those roles

[@jfrish1]

One of the best analysis of the show I’ve seen. Clearly you are a true fan of the show. Great job.

[@thegoldman25]

Wow, thanks!

[@dazed1nyc]

Once a year since it ended I go back and watch the series over again and hope I'll learn to appreciate the last couple seasons the way I learned to appreciate and eventually love the Sopranos ending...just finished it this morning and all I could think of was Godfather II : "You broke my heart, Fredo". Except in this case we had 2 Fredos