Game of Thrones - WHAT IF: Rhaegar beats Robert

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[@user-hb2sq9my2w]

Man, that would have been one awkward conversation between Ned and Rhaegar. "Sorry for taking and impregnating your beloved sister, but I did it because of some obscure prophecy I read in a book once. We cool, bro?"

[@TheBattProductions]

Haha. Absolutely. I mean, it's a stretch to some degree, but having that explained + promise to remove his father could do it with Baratheons already out of the war and the odds severely stacked against them.

[@user-hb2sq9my2w]

I think Ned is cool-headed enough to make a deal. Arys would be the sticking point though. Rhaegar would have to get rid of him before peace could be achieved between the North and the crown.

[@anja1627]

Shinobi Acumen haha! 😜 Robert also had an awkward convo with Ned. Remember that part in the story wherein he talked to Ned about his philandering ways during the their rebellion against the Targs? That convo that led to the topic of Wylla? haha, Robert was subtly saying, "Hey, Ned! Let's talk more about the chicks I banged during my betrothal to your sister." 😌

[@user-hb2sq9my2w]

That dude could not keep it in his pants. I wonder if he was old enough to have advanced stage syphilis... Hey, that's a "what if!" What if an STD killed Robert!

[@TheBattProductions]

Shinobi Acumen He was surely on his way to dying by STDs.

[@fruitpunch053]

- What if Sansa married Loras Tyrell? - What if Jon beheads Ygritte? - What if Bran reunites with Jon at Crasters keep?

[@TheBattProductions]

Nice ones! I've got them down! :)

[@orgamina4416]

What if Oberyn killed the Mountain? (changes alot!)

[@orgamina4416]

Also, what if ser barristan won against rheagar at the tournament of harrenhall... xD

[@TheBattProductions]

Orgamina That's awesome! Certainly would've avoided that nonsense with the crown...geesh.

[@kdolo1887]

Najeed Ali in the books he doesn't go to Craster's Keep.

[@WhatAKing1]

Low key I wish this would have happened, Rhaegar would have made such a great king.

[@TheBattProductions]

Absolutely he would've. He probably would've been an absolutely outstanding king.

[@user-hb2sq9my2w]

Yeah, but good kings are boring.

[@TheBattProductions]

Pretty much

[@user-hb2sq9my2w]

What about Robb? Oh, wait...

[@orgamina4416]

Yeah, would be cool! Game of Thrones would just be Rheagar + all the other houses vs white walkers...

[@bryanramirez399]

What if Bran never fell? That kinda kickstarted everything.

[@orgamina4416]

Not really, the lannisters would be hated either way

[@orgamina4416]

but actually..., catelyn wouldnt have traveled to kings landing, so petyr ned still wouldnt trust littlefinger... xD

[@ameliaedwards5379]

What if Jon Arryn hadn't died? THAT kick started everything. (I'm also aware that there might already be a video about this one. I'm new to this channel).

[@samuelschonenberger]

Then Catelyn captures Tyrion and Tywin invades the Riverlands and Robb comes down south and the war starts to get real hot.

[@cnoevil.5146]

The Lannisters would not be hated. Nor would they be bankrupt. They would lend to the crown under King Rheaghar, who might have had to marry Cersei at Tywin's insistence. Since the Tarygaryen's would have needed gold to pay the Iron Bank for the costs of the war. Lyanna would have been queen for a short time. Child birth would have still killed her. Jaime would have still killed Aerys that wouldn't have changed. But he would no longer be beholden the the Kings guard. He would have become Lord of Casterly Rock. Robert's many bastards wouldn't have been so many. No Joffrey, no Myrcella, no Tommen. But the offspring of a Cersei/Rheaghar union would still die fulfilling the Maggie the Frog prophecy. Stannis would have become Lord of Storm's End. Shireen would never have died. Dany's blood would still be magical since that is genetic. Jon would still have magic blood too. That won't change. He wouldn't have gone to the Night's watch. Rheaghar would have 4 sons? Those from Cersei would die--leaving him with only 2. Dorn would still be an enemy. Because we know through Oberyn that Rheaghar left Queen Elia for Lyanna because she could no longer give him children. She would become a negative influence on Dany. Rheaghar would eventually kill Cersei? He was very much into the Azor Ahai prophecy and wanted 3 sons. So he'd likely take another wife ---unless Viserys made a move to kill him? Viserys would go mad that would not change. His offspring with Dany would likely be mad --at least some of them. Bran wouldn't be crippled. Jon might marry Sansa to make peace with the North. What if? Its a very loaded question full of endless possibilities.

[@nativejesus5748]

What if Joffrey lets Ned take the black

[@anja1627]

Winter Is coming 🤔🤔

[@mikesmith8656]

War is probably not that bad in the riverlands. They arrange for Ned to "die" ranging at the Wall some years later.

[@themaskedman8793]

*EXACTLY* what I was gonna request, slick bastard ;p

[@TheBattProductions]

Certainly possible!

[@hamza_najjar7249]

He would be stabbed in the back by carl fooking tanner of gin alley

[@borutovskawaki9796]

what if the Boltons stayed loyal?

[@Legendary-lo3rr]

Or to be less specific, what if Robb Stark won?

[@MrKILLINOOBZ]

Harambe Died For Our Sins Bolton men would have been killed too at the red wedding

[@Legendary-lo3rr]

Jon Snow lives Not really. A major factor of the red wedding was Roose Bolton and his planning/men

[@mikesmith8656]

Then the Karstarks would probably claim Winterfell and the Boltons go extinct after Ramsey is inevitably killed.

[@MrKILLINOOBZ]

Legendary100 yes really, remind me where was the red wedding held? who's men was it primarily? who did everyone place the blame on?

[@neilyoungboy]

- What if Arya made it to the Eryie before Sansa did. - What if Tyrion wasn't born a dwarf - What if Viserys was sparred by Khal Drogo and banished instead of killed - What if Jorah never betrayed the North.

[@ayannaalexander390]

Kevin Murphy hmm

[@letholdusthelionhearted8678]

1. Robin Arryn would throw her down the moon gate 2. Tyrion would die in Valyria with his uncle, 3. Viserys would probably die anyway 4. Dany would die in season 1

[@LightDriveGaming]

Letholdus the Lionhearted Dany is AOK because Jorah was the initial spy who reported her to KL

[@victoriajuszkiewicz1085]

I love the Tyrion idea, I wonder if Twyin would still have resented him for killing Joanna

[@nton3845]

@@victoriajuszkiewicz1085 Honestly, probably not as much. He probably felt Tyrion was a monster who killed his wife as karma for most of the ruthless acts he committed during his life so he would have treated Tyrion a lot better as he would still have had a suitable heir in his eyes

[@TTRPGSarvis]

What if Jon never joined the Night's Watch, and either stayed in Winterfell, or went to King's Landing with his father and Sisters?

[@fruitpunch053]

Sarvis The Buck Ned would endanger Jon by taking him to Kingslanding. He would most likely go to war with Robb and die at the Red Wedding if not before.

[@TTRPGSarvis]

Najeed Ali I doubt it. In the book, Robb was considering legitimizing him, and making him his heir. He'd cerainly have done so if Jon wasn't in the Night's Watch. And even though the Red Wedding was totally unexpected, I'm sure Robb knows how dangerous it is for the King and his heir to be in the same place too often. He'd likely have been left behind to take care of Robb's wife, who was also left behind in the books.

[@BrunoFrancaA]

I agree with you on leaving Jon behind on the Red Wedding, besides, his (Robb's) mother would most definitely not want Jon around. I think he would be a character of much less importance, until Robb died at the twins. I'm not even sure the events of the Red Wedding would have happened, maybe Theon wouldn't take Winterfell in this scenario, which leads to no "death" of Bran and Rickon, and no Jeyne Westerling, no marriage pact breaking or whatsoever. A Roose Bolton betrayal would happen much later, if ever.

[@Flexican_and_black]

John would die

[@fruitpunch053]

Sarvis The Buck I'm talking about the show, where almost all the important figures of Robb's army was at the Red Wedding. Only chance of Jon not being there is if Robb sends him to reclaim Winterfell.

[@TTRPGSarvis]

What if Littlefinger had been killed in his duel with Brandon Stark?

[@meghangriesemer1129]

Sarvis The Buck or what if littlefinger miraculously won the duel and married Catelyn?

[@matejjakubco7853]

How ???? Catelyn was promised to Brandon Stark (or to the eldest male member of house Stark) by her father. That duel was right from start absolutely meaningless and no matter result it would change nothing. If Baelish by some extreme luck managed to kill Brandon, he would end up executed by Hoster Tully.

[@celticballer]

Probable not executed it was a dual they both agreed to, but your right about him not marrying Catelyn. Marriage is a political tool if she wasn't married off to Ned then it would of been to someone else.

[@Brandonhayhew]

Sarvis The Buck Then the whole asoiaf plot would have never started, ned never went south, Jon arryn still be alive, robert continue his whoring, drunk, tournaments basically bankrupting of the realm, tyrion lannister would been the master of coins, Varys with his secret plan to restoration of targaryen to the crown, jon arryn and stannis might be still expose cersei's incest?

[@deltahunter4810]

Sarvis The Buck what duel Oh u mean that time when Little finger had his ass handed to him like a little bitch

[@brendan9868]

What if Ned Stark and Howland Reed had been killed at the tower of joy?

[@TheBattProductions]

That's a good one. It'd be a short video, but man I think there's some direction to go there.

[@balazstatar7074]

In fact he kinda fucked up and accidentaly did that in the Robb didn't marry Talisa/Jeyne video.

[@papaofthejohns5882]

What if Roose Bolton returned Jaime Lannister to the Tullys/Starks? Robb's rep and army would still be in ruins but Bolton may not later betray the Starks and the Lannisters would be weaker without Jaime, and the Starks would have leverage.

[@mikesmith8656]

Robb would become Lord of Winterfell (Ned knocked her up in one try). Maybe Benjen marries Cat (probably not), and Cat probably raises Robb at Riverrun until he is like 13 then moves to Winterfell. See Rodrik maintains Winterfell for them. The 5 kings is only 3 kings because Robb could not care less. Everything might actually be better tbh.

[@tness93]

Brendan Adams jon more likely would've been rise my House Danye maybe

[@samcronin3771]

WHAT IF: Cersei's Baratheon son had lived?

[@sohaahmed8085]

The best one so far

[@MarianeLee]

it was only a lie she told Catelyn

[@trentschwartz2881]

in the books it was aborted

[@thomasrowsell116]

I thought gentry was her son cos he said his mum was blonde he's the right age and he lived a stone throw away from the red keep

[@alphagamer9505]

@@MarianeLee it wasn't

[@kobyaldridge3140]

what if lyanna didn't die

[@enkiimuto1041]

It would likely result in a war of the North against Robert, Robert would want to marry her and have the baby dead. Ned would never accept that. Thus the Vale, the fish and Starks would confront Robert who would have the lannisters as Tywin would be proposing to her, but as the kingdom would be divided Tywin would help kill robert and Jon would be the heir to the throne.

[@Marcusjnmc]

I doubt The Vale would take sides, & most likely Ned would take Jon away as before, visit Ashara Dayne as before, later pretending Jon is his bastard, & whatever mystery happened there would still happen, while Lyanna would marry Robert, keeping the secret of her living son from her husband, & possibly hating him as much as Cersei had.

[@goblin_gabz]

She'd have a lot of explaining to do.

[@MaZiya___]

Nah she deserves to suffer...

[@theresegustafsson5431]

- What if Ned Stark took the throne instead of Robert Baratheon 20 years ago?

[@VibingTacos]

Everything would be better

[@r3gvaaz221]

@@VibingTacos it wasn't possible?!

[@Elixor43579]

Therese Gustafsson Robert Baratheon has the best claim, since his grandmother was a Targaryen and he and rhaegar were second cousins

[@andriusas90]

@@r3gvaaz221 cersei mentions while talking to ned right before roberts return from the hunt that when ned arrived in the throne room during the sack that after forcing jamie out off the throne all he had to do was climb the steps and sit on it and he would have been king keep in mind this war was started because neds sister was kidnapped or atleast assumed kidnapped and his brother and father was burned alive and robert didn't want the throne in the first place so if he just climbed the steps he could have just easily been king instead of robert

[@r3gvaaz221]

@@andriusas90 robert deserved the throne so he got that

[@jaiansalaysay7981]

I don't really think Daenerys will marry Viserys. In the books, she actually mentioned that she would've been marriend to aegon targaryen (rhaegar's son by elia martell) and she would've been queen when aegon takes the throne.

[@emen_98]

Or Jon

[@AlyxAesthetics]

Jon is aegon

[@SalvLav]

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[@AlyxAesthetics]

Richard T what

[@aditiadalatwale5816]

@@emen_98 jon is youngest so not him. He is second in line after aegon (eldest son of rhaegar)

[@Mimi-vf2yy]

What if Lyanna Stark lived through giving birth?

[@earthisabignigga2026]

Mimer it would be quite awkward, Lyanna would marry Robert and would have to keep the secret that she wasn't in love with Rhaegar and had his baby, Ned would have to be quiet as well

[@earthisabignigga2026]

Mimer unless she confessed, then she would probably be killed

[@joe_v_runs]

Sebastian Lea um, Rhaegar would've killed Robert in this situation (if he doesn't escape/retreat)

[@Marcusjnmc]

no, Lyanna died after him, her living would be the base change

[@mysouptoocold1656]

It breaks my heart. Because she won't be the she wolf she is known for. Chained to a stag who loved the idea of her.

[@Sekien07]

I wish their was some way to see a present day Rhaegar's Westeros. Like a quick animated series or something. Prince Jaehaerys (cause lets be real that is what his name should have been) visiting his Uncle and Cousins in the north. Viserys being raised as a prince in Kings Landing which would hopefully make his less of a dick, Arthur Dayne, Barristan, and Jamie (the non kingslayer) at the palace possibly giving Jon sword lessons, Cersie married to someone else, ext. I know a happy ending goes against the principle of game of thrones but its a fun thought.

[@sertorrhenclegane]

Even if Jon was legitimate, he'd be third behind his brother Aegon.

[@cruzloera4931]

Depending on the rules annulment cancels a marriage so jon would still be the rightful heir.

[@shelbyeverett3096]

I kinda had the same thought. Like I know his marriage to Elia was annulled, but what would happen to the kids he had with Elia? Also later in life when they’re grown up and understand succession and what not are they just gonna be cool with the fact that they basically completely missed out on their chance of having the throne? Couldn’t that possibly start a rebellion once Rhaegar dies and Jon(Aegon) takes the throne?

[@Consectivess]

Shelby Everett The show was stupid in that aspect.Targs have had multiple wives before so it doesn’t make sense for Rhaegar to annual his marriage with Elia.Depending on if Aegon would want the throne it would be another Dance of the Dragons

[@TheLoozerDonkey]

@Jason Turner Once Raegar divorced Elia, her kids lost every right to the Iron Throne so that still makes Jon the true heir.

[@TheLoozerDonkey]

@Jason Turner Raegars and Lyannas wedding was kept a secret, and so was Elia's divorce since the only thing everybody knows is that he just cheated and left Elia with Lyanna, and the faith of the seven doesn't allow polygamy since the Targaryans were converted to this Faith since Baelor the blessed. In order for the son of a king to be a prince and therefore the true heir his mother also has to be queen and since Raegar(if he became King) divorced Elia, Elia is no longer queen and therefore Aegon has lost his claim. Now you are going to argue that Lyanna died before she became Queen but still in this case Jon has a better claim to the throne than Aegon even if he is older.

[@JayOhBreezy]

I have a strange theory. I think Robert loses to Rehgar. I think rehgar offered him Mercy and at the last minute he took his hammer and killed him. That’s why he says “I kill him every night in my sleep”. That’s why he drinks so much, to try and forget about the dishonorable act committed by him, And the whole lie that surrounded it.

[@Valnotersc]

It's Rhaegar, not Rehgar ;) Rehgar is an Orc shaman in Warcraft, not a Targaryen prince.

[@JayOhBreezy]

Dominik Pizzarro Yeah, I knew I spelled that wrong. Thanks for the fix

[@JayOhBreezy]

Dominik Pizzarro an orc shaman lol that I did not kno

[@emperorvalkorion6524]

I dont know how Rhaegar would have won. Robert was said to be a beast on the battlefield while Rhaegar wasn't that great at all.

[@epileum67]

Emperor Valkorion Rhaegar was one of the greatest swordsmen in Westeros, rivalled only by his close friend Arthur Dayne. He certainly isn’t ‘not that great’

[@bigjavo36]

rheagar taking lyanna to be queen would not be a smooth thing. thats war with dorne on one end and war with the faith on the other. polygamy is very frowned by the faith. last time it happened a prince was exiled and the septon who preformed the wedding was killed by an angry mob in the streets. dorne would not take to their princess being cast aside for some other woman. rheagar would have to fight to over tske arys, then fight dorne, and quell a religious uprising. thats not happily ever after.

[@ethanwall2443]

I actually think rhaegar wouldn't marry lyanna but would have legitimized jon and do due the dornishmens beliefs they'd probably be cool with it cause they do it all the time themselves

[@bigjavo36]

Tiger Claw252 go back and listen to oberyn talk about rheagar and lyanna i don't think they were that cool with it at all. the dornish are much better about bastards than the rest of westeros but that doesn't mean they were gonna be in anyway cool with what rheagar did and jon would not be safe south of the marches. that boy would be poisoned. dorne is not known for fucking around or being forgiving.

[@xstoofpeer]

You should keep in mind that the people in kings landing absolutely adored rhaegar.

[@bigjavo36]

stanger doran in the books is working on multiple fronts to get his revenge. he's not marched his army to kingslanding but he's working behind the scenes in fact its likely that in the winds of winter doran will have caught cersei in a trap which i wont spoil since you've not caught on to that story line yet.

[@bigjavo36]

rayamert yeah but i doubt they loved him more than they love their 7 gods or else they would have fought in the streets against robert and tywin and their forces when they sacked king's landing. the faith is nothing to fuck with. aegon the conqueror couldn't put down the faith. the targeryans are not above the faith. they tolerate incest because of the mystique of valyrian blood and all that. but there is a reasont hey stopped having more than one wife they had to bend and accept the faith or else the faith militant would have still been fighting them to this day. you can not break people of their faith. the north never gave up the old gods the ironborn never gave up the drowned god. the andals keep to their seven just as strongly. rheagar marrying lyanna with out having his previous marriage done away with by death or will of the 7 would have caused the people to revolt. no matter how beloved he was. doesn't matter how beloved you are you can't commit that grave of a sin against the faith.

[@lenap319]

Best thing about this scenario is arthur dayne surviving

[@ConnorKenwayAssassin]

what if robert had never married cersei?

[@erikkr.r.m7380]

No gsme of thrones

[@am5527]

Good one :D Maybe Oberyn would have had a go at her 😃

[@CaulfieldBrooksMusic]

What if Jamie doesn't kill The Mad King?

[@user-hb2sq9my2w]

What happened to the Sept of Baelor but the whole city.

[@TheBattProductions]

Pretty much, yeah

[@papaofthejohns5882]

What if Robb's plan to entrap Tywon's shot at Riverrun succeeds, I've Edmure follows orders. What if Catelyn doesn't free Jaime, Robb woudon't have lost most of his support by executing Karstark and possibly wouldn't have even gone to teh Red Wedding. Th main reasons for the Red Wedding were keeping the Freys happy and as allies and became he had Lsot most of hai host due to the execution of Karstark among other things.

[@agentspaniel4428]

Firey genocide on the non targearens

[@silverblade357]

That depends on whether or not Jamie still murdered all the alchemists making the wildfire. In that case, Jamie keeps the Mad King held prisoner until Eddard Stark arrives and takes revenge. Jamie would still be an oathbreaker, but probably much less reviled.

[@naseralajmi6466]

Jon would've be a spoiled little prince instead of being the great fighter like his uncle ned and jon would have a different personality because he got his personality from ned like always being quite, honest, and honorable.

[@kieakewii]

Naser Hamad he would be different. Like he mentioned in the Tyrion video. He noted that how your life experiences change you. He was always shunned by Catelyn and treated less. Fucking Theon got better treatment and he’s trash.

[@gaaratf2fanboy76]

@@kieakewii Jon got better treatment from his siblings and Ned. But was badly treated by Caitlyn. I just think Theon was just ignored and brought along, remember they gave Jon a Direwolf but not Theon

[@Devlerbat]

-What if Lyanna didn't die during childbirth (with events prior to that still happening at they did)? -What if Tyrion's mother didn't die during childbirth?

[@silverblade357]

Robert would probably kill himself or abandon the throne upon learning the truth, leaving the Starks holding the bag. Tywin and Cersei would hate Tyrion much less, but probably still give him hell for his appearance and proclivities. Tywin would have a soft moment or two around his beloved wife. The twins might not become as fucked up as they are later on.

[@CorvoThan]

@@silverblade357 I dont belief Tywin would have loved someone who did not in part shared his views or behaviour. Honestly she may be almost as cold to Tyrion as Tywin had been.

[@heero75]

I know it is kind of in this line but what if Robert and Rhaegar had killed each other or Robert had died from his wounds? Also what if Ygritte had lived through the battle at Castle Black?

[@strongsuccessfulweeb1400]

Stannis might take over Robert. Like his brother he is also a descendant of the Targaryens

[@wolog1454]

@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400probably wouldve been ned to take over but him rejecting the offer and giving it to stannis

[@DodgeChargerSXT]

What if Ser Arthur Dayne beat Ned Stark at the tower of joy

[@williameberhard3855]

I just discovered this channel. It's so awesome.

[@StuPedahso]

This is awsome. Bravo, sir!

[@Lord_Clarke]

While I don't think Ned would've bent the knee if he did there's still a possibility Jon joins the Nightswatch because apart of the agreement may have called for Jon to be fostered at Winterfell after he turned a certain age

[@MrMarti2187]

Just because Jon is fostered at Winterfell doesn't mean he'd take the Black.

[@Lord_Clarke]

Martin Sanders it makes the idea more possible though I don't see away you could credibly convince me a Prince even one second in line would take the Black if he grew up in Kings Landing or Dragonstone, which is why maester Ameon is a old ass man and barely speaks about his past because it would be hard for GRRM to have to sit there and explain why he became a maester. Plus a large part of the reason Jon took the Black was because of his uncle Benjin

[@MrMarti2187]

Marco Clarke I think you have it backwards. Jon didn't join the NW because he grew up in Winterfell. He joined it because of *how* he grew up. If Rhaegar had acknowledged Jon as his son - even if only as a bastard - there is practically no chance that he'd have joined the Night's Watch. First things first. We already know Maester Aemon's past. Aemon was the 3rd son of the 4th son of the reigning king. At the time, there was virtually no chance that he'd have a shot at the throne. And the political wisdom at that time said that having too many heirs could be problematic if all of them started vying for power. So he was sent to be trained as a Maester. to get him out of the way. A series of events later, he did have a chance at taking the crown - because all the other options happened to be dead, unfit or females. But he stuck to his vows and gave up his shot in favor of his younger brother. And to avoid being used as a pawn in any political game, he willingly went to the Night's Watch - as far from KL as possible. Jon isn't in the same position. After Aerys, there are just a couple of possible heirs - Rhaegar, Viserys, Danaerys, Aegon, Rhaella and Jon. 6 is an appropriate number - not too many to cause trouble nor too less to risk succession. No reason to shuffle Jon off to some corner like the Citadel or the Night's Watch. The choice of Jon joining the NW was a culmination of many different factors. First, he often felt ostracized and isolated at Winterfell - primarily due to Catelyn constantly icing him out. He felt like he had no future if he stayed there and he had to make one of his own. Second, Catelyn was eager to get rid of him. With Ned headed to KL and the possibility of Cat's attitude getting worse, sending Jon off to NW made sense. And Ned was tired of making Cat put up with Jon. Third, Cat hated Jon because he was Ned's bastard, not just because he was a bastard. And fourth, growing up in the North means joining the Night's Watch seems like the most accessible option. But none of these factors would've existed if Jon had been acknowledged as Rhaegar and Lyanna's son. Even of he was a royal bastard instead of a second/third prince, he'd still be welcomed in Winterfell with open arms in memory of his late mother. He wouldn't be made to feel less or worthless or inadequate or unwanted. His future would be secure and there would be no reason for him to join the NW. However, there is chance that he'd be made to fell that way if he grew up in KL or Dragonstone. If, instead of a loving family from his mother's side, he is made to face his step-mother - Elia Martell - there is a good chance that she would've responded to him the same way Catelyn did. That might contribute to his motivation to find a place for himself elsewhere. But even then, the Night's Watch would be low on the list. Becoming a member of the Kingsguard or becoming a Maestar would both be considered better options.

[@w-james9277]

What if Jon Snow killed Ygritte after they met, as he was supposed to?

[@TheBattProductions]

Excellent one! I love it.

[@The_Reductionist]

The wildlings would slaughter the nights watch (who are now unprepared to any attack and havent sent revens to stannis and co asking for help) and pass the wall marching south and destroying half the north until they meet the boltons who can match their strength. At this point the wildlings will most likely go extinct.

[@edpistemic]

I liked this but I wanted more! I think you could make a really detailed, 30 min, version of this! :)

[@Nicole-rq8ix]

this was a really good video. it was interesting to envision all those different plot developments! Cool video!!

[@TheBattProductions]

Why thank you Khaleesi! :) There's tons of factors, for sure. I think there's some more stuff that could've even been thrown in here, but I tried to pick the biggest ones.

[@Nicole-rq8ix]

Welcome! ^^ And yeah Rhaegar winning the battle would change too many things to list! xd

[@DarkKing009]

Rhaegar a married man with 2 kids took a 15 year old girl from her home ... without her father's permission. Oh yes Rhaegar is a good guy

[@lukec2004]

Yeah but he has a cooler name than any other king soo...

[@Anonymous-uq8gq]

LUKA Screams in Jahaerys

[@Adam-ul2nz]

Rhaegar was playing the long game, if you read the books there's even a vision Dany has where Rhaegar tells his wife he needs another kid, and his wife could not give birth again. His wife knew about Lyanna. Rhaegar sacrificed thousands of lives during the rebellion, in order to facilitate saving millions from the Others

[@aaronkarnold7779]

What if the vale declared for starks just in time so Robbo didn’t need Frey’s

[@dreamingofraaain]

That was quite an interesting one! Nicely done as always!!

[@TheBattProductions]

Thanks my friend! Rhaegar ruined everything...

[@epicmadnesss]

thank you so much for doing this amazing video! answered a lot of my 'what if' questions, can't wait until the next one! I'll try to think of some more ideas for videos too if that helps :)

[@TheBattProductions]

You're welcome my friend! I really appreciate it. Yes please do! If you have any other ideas, I'd be more than happy to hear it since I'm constantly looking for new ideas!

[@epicmadnesss]

no worries, I'll try my best to give ideas and feedback :) WHAT IF: Stannis won the battle of winterfell against the Bolton's, and house Bolton falls an entire season earlier....Hmmmm any good?

[@absolutelysiege7963]

So what your saying is that everything would be way better #teamrhaegar

[@TheBattProductions]

That's EXACTLY what I'm saying, hah. Damnit, Rhaegar...

[@watersheep6432]

Jon: hello who’s this? Unknown: Ben Jon: Ben who? Unknown : ben d nee

[@TheLoozerDonkey]

Unknown: bend d knee Jon Snow Jon Snow: I dunt wunt it!

[@jimmyindallas1303]

Love this Series

[@TheBattProductions]

Thank you Jimmy!

[@hybriddriverandwholefoodss3255]

Wouldn't Elia Martell still be alive?

[@titekubo1997]

Hybrid Driver and Wholefoods Shopper she would be pissed since the marriage would be annulled

[@reaganburkhardt]

what if Ned stark denied hand of the king

[@Hulahoopdanceaus]

What If cercie took neds offer and left the red keep with her children before robert came back from his hunting trip 🤔

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

fucking game fuel

[@ElijahBondservantofchrist]

I've been waiting for this

[@TheBattProductions]

BAM! Right here for you!

[@ElijahBondservantofchrist]

TheBattProductions I'm glad to always love seeing your videos

[@TheBattProductions]

Thanks my man!

[@astrinymris9953]

One thing we know for certain-- Jon wouldn't have been named Aegon like his older half-brother. 😁 To be serious, Rhaegar was convinced that Lyanna would give birth to a baby girl whom he'd name Visenya, fitting the naming theme he had going by naming his kids after Aegon the conqueror and his sister-wives. Since Rhaegar already had a close relative named Viserys, I'm thinking Rhaegar would go for some other Valyrian boy's name, or maybe change Visenya into Visenyon.

[@CorvoThan]

personally i believe that Rhaegar would have named him Orys. Only this way the birth of a boy through Lyanna makes sense in regard of Rhaegars interpretation of the prophecy. Its possible that he would have even allowed Ned to raise him, as calling him a bastard at this point may have been impossible if he tried to negotiate with the north. But in no case would he allowed the Orys to his aegon to become one of the three heads of the dragon. Further i think he would have tried to get another daughter from Elia, since his previous plan had failed.

[@willhelm94]

What if - Tyrion wasn't born as a dwarf?

[@x25violator]

Manyhobbiesman oooooh that's a good one. me likey

[@TheBattProductions]

I have no idea how to do this one, haha. Maybe Tywin wouldn't hate him? I don't think Tywin hates him for being a dwarf though; I think it's because he knows Tyrion is a Targaryen.

[@willhelm94]

TheBattProductions well, since we see Lyana die giving birth to John, we can safely assume that Tyrion's mother would still have died giving birth to Tyrion, so it should be reasonable to assume that Cersei still hates him. Other than that, yeah there's a lot to think about

[@TheBattProductions]

Manyhobbiesman But I'd think that Tywin isn't dumb enough to blame a baby for killing his wife. I'd HOPE that's the case, but who knows. They say Joanna was the only person that controlled Tywin....he really loved that lady!

[@x25violator]

but tyrion is cunning and smart like Tywin. i think the misfortune of him being a dwarf helped keep him humble and kind. But being a full man, tywin might have had a new favorite

[@AB-om2te]

LOVE THIS VIDEO!!!

[@TheBattProductions]

THANK YOU!!! :)

[@MrDrazol]

Very interesting topic! I like it.

[@TheBattProductions]

Thanks Daniel!!!!

[@Solaire-8]

The only flaw I can think of is that Lyanna Stark would not be placed as Rhaegar's queen. He was already married to Elia Martel who already birthed a prince and a princess for Rhaegar

[@TheBattProductions]

Lyanna definitely wouldn't have been Rhaegar's Queen since she would've died regardless at Tower of Joy. I agree.

[@alessandromariotti2252]

The question is more like the legitimacy of Jon Snow. I don't think Elia would have been like Catelyn, but Doran and the Martells wouldn't like Jon "usurping" Rhaenys as second in line after Aegon, especially because in Dorne they don't discriminate females from the line of succession.

[@kieakewii]

Alessandro Mariotti That’s literally hypocritical of Dorne. They accept and love their bastards, and I’m sure they don’t care for titles if you can recall from the books. That’s why they didn’t bend and still didn’t bend to their original request to bend the knee. They are like hippies in the aspect of “live, love, be happy”.

[@salamut2202]

A couple of other things: Dorne and the North would be a little disenfranchised with the throne, now that Elia is now only one of two Queens (I get that Dorne is more socially progressive, but monogamous marriage has political significance) as well as all the events that lead to Lyanna becoming Rhagar's second Queen AND the death of their Lord Paramount and his heir. The River Lands would be in ruin and also not be too hot with the Crown either. They would have been in ruins as they were in the crossroads, as they often are in many Westerossi wars, and Tywin would have Tywined them which would have just exacerbated the situation. Their allies in the Eyre would have lost a lot in the war, as much of the Vale's forces were present at the Trident. The Ironborn, under Quellon Greyjoy, would have been a Loyalist and so his sons would have raided the Riverlands and the North. WHile the Crownlanders and the Westermen Tywined and fire&blood-ed the shores, the Ironborn would have reaped the trident instead of the Mander. They also would have attacked the Rills, the Stoney Shore, Bear Island and Sea Dragon Point while the Northeners' fighting force were in the South. Mace Tyrell isn't a fool but a hero and a successful general who tied up the Stormlands and eventually had to bow to the loyalists. Again, there would be no battle of the Mander so the Warden of the South would be sitting pretty. So Rhaegar would have the West, the South, the Stormlands, the Iron Islands and an annoyed Dorne. His efforts early in his reign would be mending relations with the Riverlands, the North and the Vale. Other politicky things that he would have to deal with would be an effective way to deal with his father. If he kills him, he's a kin slayer lest it's to bring him to justice - depends how he plays it - and if he imprisons him there is always the small chance that he's the usurper that could always be restored. Other thing within the Royal Family would include Daenarys being married off to Aegon to ensure a Targaryen branch with pure Valyrian features. Viserys could be married off to her or a Velaryon or Rogare or whatever for the same reason. If not, Rhaenys and Viserys can become political marriage pawns, probably Viserys to Cercei could be one to mend that relationship.

[@TheBattProductions]

I'll try to address it here as you posted: 1) I don't think this plays a factor, since Lyanna would've still been at the Tower of Joy and died of childbirth. Rhaegar alive or dead shouldn't really change that, right? That would mean Rhaegar would still just have Elia, but a baby Jon Snow with him. 2) Eh, I think Rhaegar would try to rebuild that relationship, but yeah it'd be in ruins. 3) I agree that most of what he'd do early on is mending relationships. I think that's expected in all-out war though. Robert pardoned like a bossssss after he won. 4) I don't necessarily agree with Dany + Aegon, but I suppose it's possible.

[@MrMarti2187]

"I agree that most of what he'd do early on is mending relationships. I think that's expected in all-out war though. Robert pardoned like a bossssss after he won." 2 Problems: 1. Rhaegar is not in charge, Aerys is. And he's not big on pardoning. He's more of a "burn them all" kinda guy. 2. Pardoning is a smart political move for Robert because he has to legitimize his rebellion - he needs to prove that he isn't just another tyrant, that his right to kingship is earned and that he is going to be a just, merciful and good king. The exact opposite is true for the Targs. They already have the power and the right and now they need to show everyone the price of rebelling against them. Make an example out of the rebels so that no one else would dare try that again for a century.

[@salamut2202]

TheBattProductions Haha, you're right about Lyanna's death :P. However, it would still have the a similar effect on Dorne and th North. Especialy when an important witness of the kidnapping is dead... Robbert was in more of a position to pardon, Rhaegar is the Prince of Dragonstone, the King is still Aerys. Even after that, the Targaryens retain power. You're not winning over loyalists whose allegiances are effectively gone like Robert, the Rebels would still have cause to rebel to it will take more time. Remember what after the Rebellion Dorne effectivly closed its boarders and traded with the Free Cities instead - he North is all but capable of similar distancing. I can see Rhaegar addressing it unless like Robert but Rhaegar would be coming to them, it wouldn't be much of a pardon.

[@TheBattProductions]

Martin Sanders In this scenario, Rhaegar would've removed Aerys (at least that's what my WHAT IF scenario was all about). I think Rhaegar is smart enough to not wipe out kingdoms. Maybe he installs new lords, sure. But I don't think him pardoning kingdoms when he may believe the Others are coming (potentially; remember Azor Ahai prophecy) is crazy. This isn't my hill to die on, but yeah I believe pardons will happen with Rhaegar after that rebellion.

[@TheBattProductions]

salamut2202 Haha. It's all good. I mean hey maybe it would have a similar effect! Not sure. Like I said before, I see this scenario has Rhaegar takes the throne pretty much immediately after returning. Not sure even Aerys would burn it all down. He was a psycho, but mainly because he thought his death was imminent. If the rebellion was officially squashed, I don't think he'd be so hasty. And that's where I think Rhaegar has that convo with Ned to get everyone on board in order to get their pardons. If those sections of the country act up, I do unfortunately agree with you and think that Rhaegar will have to "wake the dragon"...SLAPPING WESTEROS INTO SUBMISSION! Muahahhaa. Haha. Good comments my friend

[@michaeldickson2106]

Brilliant

[@andyjackson6412]

very entertaining subbed :)

[@TheBattProductions]

AYEEE! Welcome to the channel my friend!

[@SArmagh681]

I think you miss an important part of this scenario at the very start, you assume that because Rhaegar sought Robert out because it was his last Chance to have any hope of salvaging a losing battle, While Rhaegar came into the battle with a slightly larger force, his army was mostly made up of untested men, while the Rebels were all Battle-hardened and had more troops on the way from up North, also they Freys but I won't count them, So when Rhaegar and Robert fought the Battle was already going very badly for Rhaegar, all of his Kingsguard were either dead or lying wounded on the ground in the case of Ser barristan, and between deaths and men fleeing he no longer had more men, so even if he Killed Robert it doesn't mean he would have won the Battle, do you think the Northmen who are avenging the Starks are going to stop fighing like rhaegars men did in canon, no, neither will Jon Arryn or the Vale, nor the Tully's, if anything the outcome of the Battle is the Same, all that changes is that either someone else kills Rhaegar or he is captured, and instead of Robert being on the Throne a Great Council of some sorts is held after the Sack of Kings landing, since Tywin had already decided to kill Aerys before the Battle

[@arthurdayne1190]

What if Dany drank the poison?

[@TheBattProductions]

Hmmmm!

[@anja1627]

Arthur Dayne We would not be hearing her saying the same things over and over. "I'm Daenerys Stormborn and bla bla bla" 😜

[@sorensorensen9567]

Actually, Dany most likely would have married Aegon. A pureblood Targaryen is the most suitable bride for the heir to the Iron Throne (from the Targaryen point of view), so she would have married Aegon (Rhaegar's eldest son). Rhaegar only married Elia Martell, cuz there wasn't a Targaryen bride for him when he came of age to marry.

[@7ShadowMaiden7]

I love the shade thrown at Walder Frey. he definitely deserves what he got in the show lmao

[@btrezetreze6150]

What if Edmure follow Robb orders ? What if the Vale declare for Robb ? What if Joffrey spared Ned?

[@muhammedga7303]

What if the Bolton men never caught Jaimie and Brienne on the bridge?

[@TheBattProductions]

Nice one!

[@muhammedga7303]

TheBattProductions Thx,hope you'll do it!

[@EstherHulst-Artist]

yeasss please

[@muhammedga7303]

+esther hulst Dany you should be on your way to westeros,is everything allright?

[@TheBattProductions]

Hahahhaa

[@edyisawesome5105]

the right man came back from the Trident. Rhaegar was showing signs of madness

[@Degamer422]

Look I know this is six years later but this one needs a part two

[@pdog225]

What if Jon Arryn doesn't die?

[@TheBattProductions]

Interesting one sir...

[@mysouptoocold1656]

Game of thrones didn't happen

[@silverblade357]

An interesting discussion would take place...

[@joshpowell1045]

what if the wildlings joined with stannis

[@Jmoneyvitamin]

Nice almost got that 10k sub mark

[@TheBattProductions]

I KNOW! I don't know how I've gotten this lucky, but man I'm so thankful! Will have to do some 10K vid or something to celebrate!

[@mihai358]

"In my dreams, I kill him every night!"

[@belablanck]

What if Daenerys and Viserys could not escape to Pentos?

[@TheBattProductions]

That's a good one!

[@Bloomazz]

I can't see Ned ever bending the knee to a Rhaegar after what happened to his Brother and Father. Regardless of which king did it, I see him fighting on as King in the North if it came to it. Without dragons Moat Cailan is quite impenetrable (though no navy etc means the North would finally be conquered). Also, Arthur Dayne was a Kingsguard and man of honour, I think it more likely he'd die defending against Rhaegar in a rebellion

[@Brandonhayhew]

Bob Blob The north still has 30000 or 20000 soldiers, they can withstand armies and the fortifications of their towns and castle from ironborn and white harbour navel fleets can defend the sea in the end they can survive a long term war with the south.

[@kieakewii]

Bob Blob He would. You’re thinking as if you were Ned and what you would do. Ned literally took in Lyanna’s kid after everything and raised him as his own, and made sure Jon felt like her was Stark even when his wife wanted him out; and when his main character values were challenged after adopting Jon in. Also, it’s noted that Ned would do what’s right for the people and his family. There is no way Ned wouldn’t have consider it and thought about his family, Winterfell, and Lyanna.

[@Brandonhayhew]

The North has more woods then the south and has enough to construction of navy fleets.

[@Jordacar]

Theories like this really put a different spin on the show, and make the story we've been watching and reading come off more like The Darkest Timeline, like Yesterday's Enterprise or other such stories where we see a parallel reality where everything has gone horribly wrong.

[@charliehinds5695]

Would you be able to do a video on what if the mad king doesn't go mad

[@nationalistcanuck2877]

What is Jaime and Cerci's children were Black of Hair?

[@matiidesign]

Dumb One it wouldnt be possible.... you know blonde + blonde = blonde.... if they had black or Brown hair they would most probably be roberts children

[@oliverjdudden854]

What if Sansa travels North with the Hound (TV Series)

[@OPiONShouter]

were can i find the intro music? please!

[@billystanfield300]

great vid is it possible for you to do a what if ser arthur dane killed ned stark or would there be very little outcomes?

[@TheBattProductions]

I think there would be very few outcomes other than Jon Snow being raised by a kingsguardman in secret, sent to Essos, or killed by Robert B. Other than that, probably not a lot.

[@billystanfield300]

TheBattProductions what if prince doran takes action against the lannisters for oberyns death??

[@TheBattProductions]

Asad Ismail Nice one!!! I've got it down

[@billystanfield300]

TheBattProductions thanks bro take ur time and make awesome vids

[@TheBattProductions]

Asad Ismail Thanks a lot my friend! I really appreciate it. I appreciate you watching. So much!

[@svenkobus4356]

stannis would probly never have bend the knee. like they said he is like iron he would sooner break than bend

[@stevehitman]

He did his duty by following his older brother, like he said there's older laws "the younger brother bows before the elder".

[@taylormanton3013]

WHAT IF: Robb Stark bent the knee to Geoffrey?

[@melodie3169]

About Raeghar and Ned having discussion and Ned bending the knee, we're talking about Ned right ? He would directly go to the mad King right after to tell him everything ! So he has enough time to escape... 🤣 Anyway love your videos you're amazing !!

[@nicolacatteeuw7772]

When you look at the picture on 6:25 you can see 2 wights with stark shields, can you come up with a theory for that?

[@SuperJohn12354]

What if Arthur Dyane killed Ned Stark?

[@Falcon9015]

So it sounds like things would've been much better if Rhaegar had beaten Robert

[@garymillar169]

this needs updated

[@nickp7103]

I’ve been watching your what if videos and Ive been thinking of my own. What if the blackfish became kings guard instead of Jamie

[@muhammadsaniaminu4220]

You missed the fact that rhaegar was already married to elia martell, which means he cant marry lyanna, which make jon snow still a bastard and less likely for ned stark to swear allegiance

[@TheBattProductions]

I didn't miss that fact. Historically, Targaryens can and have married multiple people. So it is possible for him to be married to both. Jon Snow would still be a bastard, but why does that change anything? He could still be raised with the other Targaryen children and he'd still have a claim to the Iron Throne.

[@ignaciovillegas5645]

TheBattProductions The last time a Targaryen married more than one woman, a prince was exiled and there were riots all over king's landing. Oh, and a septon was killed

[@sebastianb.3978]

Sany Amyn Ha! Now what?

[@joell5235]

what if i never lost my hand?

[@TheBattProductions]

Wiping would be sooo0o0o0o0o0oo much easier

[@joell5235]

dude, on a serious note i'm really enjoying this series. keep up the good work

[@TheBattProductions]

Uncle Dad Haha. Thanks a lot my friend! I think I'll keep this series going for a while now that SO MANY good ideas have been submitted to me.

[@PrimeCaesar]

You totally forgot about the fact that the Tyrells were besieging Storm's end and Stannis would of been dead or worse.

[@OPiONShouter]

the ned bending the knee part is tricky: i tend to agree with you but i strongly believe the north, with or without benjen (probably without), would rebel against the starks like crazy at this point. so the one thing that would actually still happen, and would get a lot worse, is the bolton takeover, this time with most houses on their side. in the meantime, freys would also replace tullys and blackfish ends up all the same as a rebel. lord tully of course dies, then maybe all these incidents create an opportunity for the iron islands to attack all these places, so the balon rebellion still happens and it includes the theon captivity, this time by boltons only, which leads to the creation of reek a lot sooner. so the two northern kingdoms of westeros are actually at a worse condition.

[@Nordy941]

Stannis wouldn't bend the knee.

[@TheBattProductions]

Why not?

[@alfleyenda4850]

TheBattProductions C'mon, is Stannis Baratheon. He is a brave man with valyrian steel balls.

[@TheBattProductions]

Alf Leyenda I know he would have no problem fighting the good fight, but I don't think he saw it that way (the same way as Robert).

[@alessandromariotti2252]

At the start of the Rebellion he was torn between loyalty to his brother and loyalty to the Crown. With his brother dead, and Storm's End on the brink of starvation (Ser Davos' onions would have been a one-time wonder) Stannis would have at least CONSIDERED submitting.

[@justfckoff]

Chris Hemsworth(Thor) must play Rhaegar!

[@matthertler1475]

Princess Diana he’s not a good enough actor

[@lotrgirl]

small question , if I remeber well , Rhaegar was already married during robert's rebellion. so the argument to ned ' your sister is going to be my queen doesn't makes sense

[@donnalouise1981]

I love how the intro is a Sega game intro

[@666MIHI]

What if Ned claims the Throne instead of Robert and marries Cersei himself,while Cat marries benjen who in turns becomes lord of winterfell?

[@TheBattProductions]

Holy crap that was a lot to process in a short sentence. Haha. I'll write it down for a future vid idea!

[@666MIHI]

TheBattProductions i like giving complex ideas

[@TheBattProductions]

666MIHI The irony of you having Lloyd Christmas as your avatar makes it funnier

[@666MIHI]

well its supposed to be dungeon and dragons Jim Carry portrait but that one works too i guess

[@kieakewii]

I’d cry for Ned.

[@basssbx]

What if jesus existed in westeros

[@weiyin8046]

but podrick payne does exist??? smh fake fans 😤😤😤

[@alexpeters7598]

I love this what if and Jon mother what if and Jon like badass in dragon armor 😍

[@vishaljha3695]

What do you mean learn to wright buddy

[@Mark-xh8md]

@TheBattProductions - The mopey bastard would NOT have been a legit Targaryen, because Rhaegar and Lyanna were NOT married at the time of his conception, or birth. And Rhaegar could not have promised Ned anything like what you say, because he was already married to Elia of Dorne. Now, before someone says: "Targaryens had multiple wives!!" - the last Targaryen King to to get away with polygamy was also the first Targaryen King. Which means that even if Rhaegar HAD strongarmed a septon into performing the ceremony, the marriage would be considered invalid by everyone in the realm. Now, of course Rhaegar could CHOOSE to legitimize his bastard son with Lyanna, but not without MASSIVELY pissing off Dorne. And that's another thing: In order for Lyanna to become Queen, Elia has to die first. And Rhaegar would NOT have had Elia assassinated. He cared too much about his honor, AND he cared about Elia too! Which means that Ned Stark wouldn't have bent the knee to Rhaegar, because Rhaegar wouldn't have made promises he couldn't keep. What is likely to happen, is that Ned is either killed in battle, or captured and, by Lyanna pleading for her brother's life, and Rhaegar realizing that Ned was somewhat left without much choice, he's sent to the Wall, leaving Winterfell to Benjen Stark. Now, this is pure speculation, but: Could we, in a Targaryens victorious-scenario, see Tywin try to form a closer relationship with the North by giving Cersei's hand in marriage to Benjen? The eldest daughter of one of the great lords of Westers can't marry too far beneath her station, or it'l be a scandal for not just her but her house as well, and Benjen is suddenly the most eligible bachelor in Westeros. Tywin might not be able to get why Cersei is so against the best possible marriage he could make for her (while we of course know that it's because she'll almost literally be on the other side of the world from Jaime who's still a knight of the Kingsguard), but he'll probably present Cersei with the same choice he presented Tyrion with when the latter wanted to travel the Free Cities, and was shut down: Either do this my way, or you're no longer a part of this family. So Cersei would have went. If Cersei was still redeemable at this point, and Benjen could have moderated her, I do not know.

[@darrengarcha3027]

Mark P I bet u feel stupid now. All them words for nothing. P.s I still read all of it for some retarded reason...

[@chaimae3652]

@@darrengarcha3027 if u mean the fan fiction that happened in the show you're the stupid one if u think it would be the same in the books

[@kylesmith2862]

Um Jon would be a bastard because regar would have still been married to Elia and Elias children would still be alive and still have legitimacy to the throne and I don't think they had such thing as divorce back then

[@TheBattProductions]

That's not necessarily true. Targaryens are known historically for having multiple wives. It's possible he also married Lyanna. Jon, bastard or not, has legitimacy to the Throne still

[@theyoungwolf9852]

Rheagar left he's best fighter with Lyanna at the tower of joy instead of protecting their prince. You really think they'd be protecting just a bastard ?

[@thegamesgeek994]

It’s disproven now

[@Shintonias]

Why does everyone think Jon would be an heir to the throne? Even if he didn´t have to be hidden, he would still be a basterd. Rhaegar was married to Elia Martel. Why does no one seam to remember that...

[@TheBattProductions]

Shintonias Bastard or not, he has a claim if he has Targaryen blood.

[@Shintonias]

But isn´t the point of beeing a Bastard that he canßt inherit land or titles? Would that whole bastard thing make him more like Daemon Blackfire?

[@TheBattProductions]

Nope. It just means they're lower-born so people look down on them, and they immediately go to the back of the line for inheritance. In this case, even if he was older than Aegon, he'd be behind him since he is a bastard. However, if Rhaegar had no other children, he's the new heir automatically. That's why you can argue Jon Snow should be the rightful heir to the Iron Throne right now on the show.

[@undead.rising]

Targaryens believe in plural marriages...

[@psychopunk8817]

Shintonias He had his marriage annulled.

[@Jonathan331]

No arguments here... nice one.

[@schoob4822]

Ned would've declared the north independent, and pulled his armies back beyond the neck to kill all crown loyalists/consolidate his power until the throne recognized his independence or until the crown decides to send a big army into the neck, never to be seen again. Bed would not forget his father and brother's murder. Ever.

[@dugges]

Actually I think Jon would have married Dany in this scenario ... destiny perhaps? I think it's way better than the Sansa shipping/theorycrafting. Don't bang your cousin, bang your aunt instead! Viserys & Cersei wouldn't be too far fetched, assuming Rhaegar settles the bad blood between Tywin and Aerys.

[@TheBattProductions]

Perhaps indeed! I'm not quite sure. Sansa...bleh. I could see Viserys and Cersei as well since that's how it was going to go down before the Rebellion occurred, possibly.

[@dugges]

TheBattProductions yeah, have you watched any Westworld yet? Might be worth adding to your review schedule. Im getting into it and hyped for the next episode which has just popped into my perfectly legal platform for watching US TV. :) Laters

[@TheBattProductions]

Occam's Brut Nope. See I don't know much about it but from what I know, I can't imagine it fits in with my channel.

[@dugges]

TheBattProductions Smokescreen reviews it. He's the only TV person I sub to that does. It's Sci-Fi mixed with Wild West. I had my reservation but eventually I wrapped the bacon of my mind around that concept of a sausage.

[@TheBattProductions]

Haha. Hats off to him. I'm not sure I have the time to do that truthfully. I have a hard enough time attempting to do comic book videos (that's why I don't do them...I just don't have the time as much as I really really want to).

[@mocarpenter8836]

I think the tourney at H.H. was posed to be a secret set down w all the Lords and Heads of the Houses .. To discuss how to oust the Mad King . and when he showed up at the Tourney it threw a wrench in everyone's plans . Just my Opinion which means little. . lol

[@nicholasnjau2305]

I think house Martel would have raised their banners since Elia would no longer be queen

[@CptJackSparr0w]

Kings guard be stacked