Game of Thrones WHAT IF: Ned Takes Iron Throne Instead of Robert

What If Ned Stark takes the Iron Throne INSTEAD of Robert Baratheon after Robert's Rebellion? How would the landscape of Westeros have been different?!?
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[@zra1080]

I dont think that Robert would get fat if ned took the throne

[@TheBattProductions]

Oh I think that was inevitable. Dude loved alcohol and food too much. Haha.

[@jeanpaulsinatra]

Maybe King Ned would insist the small council did a lunchtime fun run

[@marcomeme4875]

Then what off the invention of breastplate stretchers?!

[@JoseSanchez-yp5dp]

TheBattProductions no Robert loved battle and wanted to abdicate and leave for Essos and be a sell sword the only thing stopping him was that Joffrey would be king.

[@dukeofawesome3718]

He was a Baratheon to the core he loved the three F's over anything else Feast, Fight, and Fuck

[@lordbrain8867]

Seeing Viserys as a ward to Stannis at Dragonstone would be hilarious

[@Shokan-mm8sj]

Vyseris was a dick beacuse all the traumatic experiences he had when he was protecting danny, he may have turned out well

[@gracecookie4604]

Stannis would not take any of his crap

[@thegreatpage5912]

@@gracecookie4604 I think Viserys would have been raised with integrity if he lived with Stannis. The problem would be the Theon effect, other people constantly reminding him his father was beaten by the people he lives with.

[@gfilmer7150]

It's funnier because they're actually second cousins.

[@leoregulus6432]

Stannis would beat him into shape

[@JynessaSwann]

Robb would be betrothed to Daenerys. Ned would bring back Jon with him and proclaim him Lyanna's and Raegar's child. Under royal protection, and to be betrothed to King Ned's daughter to come. That would both protect Jon and the Starks claim to the throne. No need to rebel if the old blood is still in line to inherit the throne

[@TheBattProductions]

I think that's all very possible, especially Robb + Dany. Get some great babies.

[@TheKingOfRooks]

Jynessa Swann damn king and queen Jon and Sansa Targaryen that would've been fucking awesome

[@fearthepiggaming2998]

Jynessa Swann I definitely see your point and it would be really interesting There's absolutely no rule in westeros about cousin marrying so that would totally work to

[@TheKingOfRooks]

Shane Christensen aye it'd be a great political move to happen in the show/books even with the current circumstances

[@joshpowell1045]

Shane Christensen tywin married his cousin and I think rickard stark married his cousin to.

[@jonsnow6259]

Robert would have been Master of War

[@alexlen5905]

*master of whores

[@jonsnow6259]

and boars

[@TheBattProductions]

Very likely, yes.

[@TheBattProductions]

Comment of the video right here.

[@Brandonhayhew]

Ned would have wanted other small council members be replaced like varys and grandmaester be replaced, because of their services to the mad king?

[@andreasmellbin1296]

What if Ned Stark accepts Renly Baratheon`s proposal to atack them in the night or Renly does it behind Ned`s back instead of escaping King`s Landing?

[@nordicresistanceagainstzio9206]

Renly is no king!

[@darthnightmare7529]

Andreas Mellbin this is an interesting

[@andreasmellbin1296]

Thanks!

[@marebbpc]

i actually think the best thing ned could have done is to support renl being king and sent out ravens to everyone that he supports renly that way they would have the whole north, riverrun, tyrells and most baratheons army and the lannistres would be no competition nor would stanis and dorne would just keep out of it all

[@nordicresistanceagainstzio9206]

+marebbpc Nope. Support Stannis, and don't tell Cersei he knows about Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella. Seriously, he was a fucking idiot.

[@freddyking399]

I think Jon would have ended up beeing "son" of Benjen "lord of winterfell", I mean Benjen wouldn't be married at that moment so it would be easy for him and Ned to pass of Jon as Benjen´s legitimate son and that way they could protect Jon better

[@6319-p6s]

He would have to tell Benjen about Jon though.

[@MsAsh3070]

Benjen might be married to Cersei at that point so I wouldn't say the odds of Jon surviving infancy in this scenario are high.

[@TheBattProductions]

MsAsh and Shinobi made great points for me. I didn't give him to Benjen because I just can't see a safer scenario than that one (no one goes to Greywater Watch) and Jon's Targaryen lineage is completely hidden.

[@SaneMillennial]

Yeah, that makes more sense, as Jon looks like a Stark, and the Reeds are scrawny tiny folk.

[@freddyking399]

Shinobi Acumen and there's no any problem with that, I mean Benjen is Lyanna's brother he is worth of knowing the truth about his sisters son, even in the series/books is very likely for Benjen to the truth about Jon and what better place to take care about Jon than winterfell with his family?

[@fookinaye8277]

Little Finger wouldnt be trusted by Ned and he wouldnt come to hold nearly as much power.

[@TheBattProductions]

Very possible indeed!!

[@Brandonhayhew]

CamILLtoe Littlefingers will always find a way.

[@fookinaye8277]

he will always try! lol i dont think he would have been given his position if it wasnt for the Tully girl having the ear of Jon Arryn and Roberts complete disinterest in actually governing. Ned only tolerated him because he had already became "untouchable" by that point. you could argue that this could still happen due to Ned likely choosing Jon Arryn as hand as well but i dont think the massive debt would have been overlooked by Neds administration so I dont think Ned would have enabled him to have the gold cloaks in his pocket either. he would probably mess around and get his head lopped off f'ing with Neds realm lol

[@aaronneal6421]

I think he could have initially gotten the position, but then lost it after making advances to Catelyn. Then it might have been offered to Tywin.

[@emperorvalkorion6524]

@@TheBattProductions Especially with catelyn queen Hoster Tully would hover all around the court. He certainly would tell Ned to get rid of him.

[@CassesVultus]

If Ned had seized control he would not have named himself king. Jon (Snow) Targaryen would have been the rightful king in Ned's eyes, he would have named Jon as the king and Ned would have served as Jon's hand until Jon came of age.

[@TheBattProductions]

I know that's a likely scenario, but remember that this scenario is based on if Ned does make himself king.

[@busq3920]

Plus Robert would never allow that to happen.

[@jeannebouwman1970]

Well north vs stormlands, wonder who would win

[@eduardoramos8618]

Bart Bouwman the north can raise more soldiers than the stormlands and the targaryens were scarred when the northern army was going to kings landing during the dance of dragons. and we shall add the crownlands army, it isn't a big army, but is the north wins, with or without the crownlands army

[@dynamicworlds1]

busq most likely way I see Ned on the throne is Robb dying from injuries sustained in his fight against Rhagar and people bowing to him like Robb's King in the North scene and thrusting the role on him that way. In that scenario, Robert's oppinion is moot.

[@666MIHI]

Ned,Tywin,Jon Arryn, Robert and Stannis on one side....yeah whitewalkers are SCREWED

[@zra1080]

666MIHI *Jon Arryn

[@666MIHI]

yeah,right you are.

[@TheBattProductions]

SO SCREWED

[@666MIHI]

On the other hand cersei would have hated it in the north,though Benjen would have been much better than Robert as husband

[@kaledov]

666MIHI maybe if they can make peace with Mance.

[@vinq8621]

I just love the idea of a Ned, Jon, and Tywin triumvirate ruling the hell out of the seven kingdoms

[@TheBattProductions]

DOESN'T IT JUST GET YOU EXCITED THINKING ABOUT IT?!?!?!?

[@finn-3976]

TheBattProductions do: what if oberyn killed the mountain !!!

[@vondoom6078]

Vince Lombardi stark,targaryen and fookin lannisters!

[@gfilmer7150]

Westeros would have an army 300,000 strong and would crush the White Walkers. Life in Westeros would've been like the Pax Romana

[@jacobenke7936]

Ned wouldn't allow Tywin his freedom after the Sack and the murder of the royal family. pretty good chance that Tywin loses his head once the rest of the rebel army gets to KL. Tyrion would inherit the Rock, though he was still young, like 10 or so.

[@zerodub]

I'm pretty sure that Dany would have to marry rob in this scenario. Not like forced. more like trying to unite the kingdom's. and while dragons won't be around I think that the kingdom would take the white walker threat more seriously and the wall would be better guarded... But still not dragons

[@TheBattProductions]

Very possible! I don't want to speculate TOO hard on that, but it's very possible Dany would marry in with Robb.

[@TheKingOfRooks]

Zach Witkowski and that means the wall wouldn't come down so they could more effectively fight off the whitewalkers

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Well, the dragons weren't that useful anyway....

[@denislappos8135]

I have a good one!! what if Sansa left with Sandor Clegane back in season 2, at the battle of the black water?

[@TheBattProductions]

Ohhhhhhhhhh I like that one! I'll write it down! Great suggestion, Denis

[@7dragons7swords]

red wedding

[@OnOtterPilot]

Talking about Sansa, still waiting for the video about what if Sansa got married to Willas Tyrell as planned :P

[@kaledov]

Denis Lappos if she doesn't get killed at the red wedding probably the same thing that happened in her main story anyway cause Sandor tried taking Arya to the Vale after the red wedding and might just do the same with Sansa. So shelf just be right where she is suppose to.

[@kaledov]

Brooklyn Starlord she might see Sam at the Citadel and find out about how Jon is doing.

[@kathi4089]

The Stark children wouldn't find the dire wolf puppies, because they live in King's Landing and not in the north.

[@TheBattProductions]

That's a good one!

[@phantomlordmxvi]

Kitty Cat They wouldnt even be born, because Ned would have moved a bit different with that resulting i another spermium impregnating Cat→ other kids

[@riripari2042]

Here's a way for them to still keep them. Let's say their uncle Ben finds those pups when he's out and about at winterfell and brings them as gifts to the children if he makes visits to Kings landing or gifts them to them at winterfell when they come to visit him there.

[@esoergoexoevo]

It would be Benjen's children who would have them.

[@pancakesstudios6351]

What if he doesn't have kids?

[@jackguest145]

King Eddard of House Stark, First of his Name, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm is the one true King

[@stannisbaratheon1628]

King Stannis of house Baratheon,first of his name, lord of the seven kingdoms and protector of the realm is the only reightful king of Westeros

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@stannisbaratheon1628 then why did he get his head sliced off? you cna only call yourself a king if acknowledged by the rest of the seven kingdoms. stannis died a percieved rebel and traitor.

[@comiclove5]

To prevent rebellion Ned would most likely have Rob betrothed to Dany.

[@SodaSeezn]

Yup... Cersei and Benjen would oddly work out... Provided that she's in Winterfell and she defers to Benjen. Plus she would narcissistically be gratified as both "princess and lady of winterfell" and having an actual family man betrothed to and honouring her.. No Joffrey, Myrcella or Tommen. The children are Starks and Lannisters (Tywin gets a grandson he may want in Casterly Rock and has him married to another distant Lannister for the sake of Eugenics). Ned keeps Jaime to lead the gold cloaks or a mid rank kings guard. Assigning him to look after Bran and Rickon. Occupying him with enough duty to not end up being an idiot (Killing or fucking anyone he shouldn't). Dorne, Dragonstone and Highgarden each have a seat in Small Council.

[@eugeneworthington7042]

I think this is an excellent "what if" scenario, because its more plausible than what we might think. Although it did not happen, it is more than believable that Eddard could have thought that Robert would not have been suitable for the crown, so therefore he "takes" the throne. Here I think he would proclaim himself King of the Seven Kingdoms, but that would likely change later. Jaime would more than likely have been sent to the wall, however, this would only occur if Jaime decided to not disclose the reason why he killed the mad king. Since Ned is a just person, he would've give Jaime a trial, and in this trial Jaime could have revealed in very Tyrion like manner that he "saved you all". This trial could go in three directions: Jaime going home, Jaime taking the black, or trial by combat. Depending upon the outcome of this, the relationship between the Starks and the Lannisters would shape around it. If Jaime is sent to the wall, the most likely outcome, Tywin would be largely be indifferent, since Jaime was a "celibate" Kingsguard anyway. Ned would make up for this, by proposing that Benjen and Cersei marry, which Tywin would take time to consider. I think during all this mess, Ned would be stuck in Kings Landing, so Robert would have been ordered to march south and break the siege of Storms End, then continued south to the Tower of Joy... Robert, along with Howland Reed, would have defeated Ser Arthur Dayne in a similar manner, then proceeded to the tower. Here, things get EXTREMELY COMPLICATED. I think Lyanna would have a similar "promise me" conversation with Robert, and as a result, the kind side of Robert would prevail. I know that sounds crazy, but Robert loved Lyanna, and would fulfill that promise, except in a possibly different manner. Robert could take Jon as his bastard, and possibly have a Tyrion-esque relationship of resentment, because Jon's father was Rhaegar, or Robert would return to Kings Landing and present the child to Ned, which is the most likely outcome. Here, Ned would proclaim Aegon Targaryen (Jon) the King of the Seven Kingdoms, and name himself Lord Protector, Hand of the King. Politics at this point would become incredibly difficult to determine, but The North would likely revert back to Ned, which means the Benjen-Cersei marriage is off, inevitably leading to Robert's and Cersei's marriage. To keep the peace, Ned would name Tywin master of coin, Robert master of war, and Jon Arryn master of laws to the council. Varys would likely still serve as master of whispers, Barristan Selmy would become the proud lord commander of the Kingsguard, Jaime might become first ranger and eventually lord commander of the Night's Watch. Benjen would have to be the Stark in Winterfell while Ned is staying down south, so I do not think he would join the Night's Watch. In regards to Daenerys and Viserys, the most likely outcome is that they return home some time shortly after Ned proclaims Aegon King of the Seven Kingdoms, and they become wards. Dany would likely be betrothed to Robb, but Viserys might play out a bit differently. He could attempt to take the throne, trying to claim that Aegon is illegitimate, but would definitely fail. As you said, the Greyjoy rebellion would still occur, but get struck down again. Essentially, the realm would look much better in this scenario, but we still have to consider Littlefinger, and how he might attempt to disrupt it all.

[@sebastianb.3978]

Eugene Worthington I'd love to see Robert and Jon in such a relationship

[@exodocian]

Epic comment. Good ideas

[@Matthew_Baratheon]

I'm not sure Ned would take it because how he questions Robert's ability to rule. BUT Robert was very injured after the Trident, and THAT would be a good reason for Ned to take the Throne...unsure if Robert would survive his injuries.

[@LusiaEyre]

The ToJ scenario would change dramatically, too. Robert was injured at the Trident (that's why Ned went ahead), so without the pressure to be there and take his crown, he might have taken longer to convalescence. And Ned left King's Landing pretty swiftly because of his disagreement with Robert. I cannot see Robert being equally offended with Ned's decisions. Also, I don't recall a single mention of Robert wanting to continue searching for Lyanna (as new King he couldn’t leave but we're not told he even wanted to?) so I cannot see him in a state of urgency. One could argue that Ned sends him onward BUT we don't know what Ned at this point suspected or new of Lyanna's story and whereabouts. Howland Reed was with him and I would bet he knew not everything was as it seemed. So Ned maybe wouldn’t have wanted for Robert to find Lyanna without Ned checking himself first on the situation. But Robert does depart to lift the seige of Storm's End. It is his keep so he probably sticks arounf a little longer than Ned. And then departs to... Where exactly? We don't know how Ned found ToJ. He clearly knew where to go and he picked a handful of trusted men. Whoever told Ned where to look, probably wouldn't have told Robert? He would have to wander vaguely southward hoping to find something? It is quite likely that Lyanna would've died and the Kingsguard made their next move before being found. So, even if he stumbled upon the abandoned tower and found Lyanna's body left behind, there would be no Kingsguard to fight or baby to discover. Maybe they could tell that the lady had given birth prior to death - dry air would slow decomposition? So, Robert could only come back to Ned with the body and a story of runaway Kingsguard with a baby. Or maybe bring back bones only and not mention the possibility of a baby out there? To either spare Ned pain in imagining his sister's sorry fate or to secretly find the child himself to dispense "justice" he fears Ned might hesitate to give.

[@maxinetaylor1611]

I think Ned would give his nephrew to his brother Benjen. Cersi and Benjen would raise him.which would basically put him in the same scenario that he grew up in in the first place....evil step mom.

[@TheBattProductions]

Very possible for sure. I can't say it totally wouldn't happen, but in my mind: the Reeds are safest. However, Winterfell is also possible! :) Good stuff, Maxine.

[@nathanielstacy4488]

Katy was not really evil just heartbroken, though Cersi would Deffanatly be an evil step mom.

[@Ismail-kv3ex]

@@TheBattProductions if anything it would be a combination of the Reeds and Benjin Westerosi royalty often use fostering of children as a way to keep bonds and alliances, and Ned would want Jon to have some of that North in him at his own home of Winterfell. He knows Benjin's a good man and would foster him well and Ned could use this custom to maybe hint or even tell Jon through Benjin about his true parentage when hes older. The honorable Ned would instate Jon as King asap and this would all tie in rather well The Reeds raise Jon, hes Fostered at Winterfell, then comes to King's Landing and takes his throne

[@lawv804]

Cersei would be 10x worse to Jon than Cat was. Cersei would've smothered baby Jon with a pillow and said it was the Pox.

[@mr.raslyon6626]

Cersei in the North? She'd be even more insufferable.

[@kevinbruce5366]

The throne wouldn't be in such massive debt. Ned wouldn't throw parties and tournament's all the time. So he wouldn't owe the Iron bank so much. Plus Ned wouldn't be cheating all the time so the succession would be much more clear cut on his death.

[@danielstark8356]

What if Eddard had told Catelyn about Jon Snow's true parentage?

[@nordicresistanceagainstzio9206]

She probably wouldn't have hated Jon's guts.

[@SaneMillennial]

Depends on which theory you believe. I think he still is Ned's kid, but w/Ashara before he was forced to marry Cat. Jon is a bit older than Rob, so would make a better claim to Winterfell, especially if Ned and Ashara were already married before he was forced to marry Cat for the war. Some others channels talk about this pretty convincingly, mainly Order of the Greenhand.

[@nordicresistanceagainstzio9206]

+Heather Riede You really think the honorable Ned Stark really fucked his sister? -.-

[@TheBattProductions]

She would've probably treated him somewhat nicely for a change! I wonder....Nice suggestion Daniel!

[@fookinaye8277]

if you think Ned banged his sister you havent been paying attention lol and havent been paying attention to the wolves den either lol

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

What if Ellia Martell and her children were given safe passage to Dorne?

[@Brandonhayhew]

Christian Djami Then Doran Martell would do a similar plan to restoration house targaryen, and his brother the red viper would help them to be ready for a plan to attack or start a rebellion.

[@pillmatik4239]

Alex Shuysky I definitely wonder...good question!

[@spartanking7842]

books from Windblown false, Tyrell’s disliked the Targaryen’s at this point, because the way they treat Ellia

[@cammyo5931]

Here's a what if for the future rather than the past: What if Cersei finds out that LF and Lady O are the actual culprits behind Joffrey's death. I know she seems content with thinking Tyrion did it, but as a mother (& justice for her son) wouldn't she want the truth as well as *act* on it?

[@TheBattProductions]

Absolutely! I think that's a great one. She'll be all over them like crazy!!!! Thanks Cammy :)

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

Cammy O She doesn't actually love Joffrey, just having a Protecting instinct.

[@melissamorton220]

If only she were smarter

[@kubasteinhoff3483]

What if Renly would have bent the knee to Stannis

[@TheBattProductions]

Excellent suggestion my friend!

[@guitarded55]

Kuba Steinhoff if the Tyrells for some reason would've stayed with Renly I guess there would be four golden haired heads stinking atop some gate in King's Landing, the Old Lion would rot in some hole and Mannis would sit on the iron throne.

[@georgejosephk669]

What if Robb stark also bent knee to stannis along with renly

[@danielwolfgang8234]

I think the Iron Throne under Ned would also be less wasteful in regards of finances.

[@TheeGirlKB]

What if Daenarys would have taken Master of Yunkai's gifts and ships and Sailed to Westoros without trying to free the slaves ? 🤔🤔

[@TheBattProductions]

Ooo000oo That would've been nice! Also I dig that just cuz...ya know, Yunkai gets massively screwed! Hehe

[@victor7gomez]

kiannedra goins I wouldn't trust the ship's they give her. they probably would be rigged to sink in the middle of the ocean.

[@kaledov]

kiannedra goins the show would have had to circle Dorne in more with the Targaryean restoration plan and Quentyn Martell. Just so she has a sizeable army to take Cerci.

[@defaultcube510]

she wasn't ready. she didn't know any tactics of war. she didn't have allies in westeros. and her dragons were small. she would have been destroyed.

[@jenniferasencio9897]

This scenario could potentially change a lot in Westeros, and possibly the Targaryens could have been welcomes back as advisers. Given the role of women in Westeros until the events unfolding, I would believe that Daenarys would be largely ignored other than as chattel to be married off, but Ned seems like the type who would have had Viserys ready to either join the Small Council or the King's Guard. That would only work if Viserys were Stannis's ward, but it creates some interesting implications for longer peace. I also think Ned would have lasted longer than Robert, because he doesn't have a repeatedly raped and angry Cersei plotting to rid him from her life and bed. These "what-ifs" create a LOT of potential fanfiction!

[@TheBattProductions]

Totally! I'm glad you think it could easily be that way. I agree. I think you make a great point about SO MUCH could be an off-shoot for fan fiction. Good stuff, Jennifer.

[@friendlyplayerz2498]

what if ned never find out about cercei and jaime

[@TheBattProductions]

Nice suggestion! I'll write it down, friendly playerz

[@Brandonhayhew]

friendly playerz Then the series plot would be shortened and no effect on jon and Dany plot.

[@lilazn1995]

Also Bran may have never become the 3 eyed raven

[@TheBattProductions]

Very true!

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

Good, Bran bores me to death

[@tosaliantosalian8574]

What if Ned married Ashara Dayne? Better yet, what if Brandon and Rickard Stark aren't killed by the Mad King?

[@TheBattProductions]

Now THAT would've been awesome. Ned with House Dayne just fits perfectly. Excellent suggestions!

[@Brandonhayhew]

TheBattProductions Then Robb, Sansa, Bran, Arya, rickon all of these characters would not existed, and their storylines cut off, then what will be Jon snow he might have a different life with ned?

[@kateellison5360]

But why does Ned fit just perfectly with House Dayne? Any evidence that Ned/Ashara was ever a thing is very specious.

[@Ignisan_66]

@@kateellison5360 Check out Order of the Green Hand channel they have a lot of good theories about Ned+Ashara=Jon

[@kateellison5360]

@@Ignisan_66 No, they have no good theories about Ned and Ashara.

[@joehales6153]

Part of the reason Robert took the iron throne is that he still had royal blood from his grandmother.

[@MrWood-pw8nn]

yup, just imagine a Stark ruling all of westeros, that's fucking awesome to me

[@TheBattProductions]

It'd be EPICCCCCC

[@uccruzman]

I think it is unlikely Ned would bring Little Finger onto the Small Counsel. Catlyen would probably advise Ned not to trust him.But, even if he did, I think Little Finger would have trouble getting the Kingdom into such deep debt with Ned Stark on the Iron Thorn. Ned is far more pragmatic than Robert and would not allow such frivolous spending. One issue that would provide a challenge to Ned is his religion. Since he keeps the Old Gods, the Faith might not support him. So in order to maintain a strong alliance, it is likely that The Starks would arrange for Rob to marry Margary Tyrell. Having a Tyrell alliance would allow for the Starks to maintain control of the kingdom far more easily.

[@benhayfield6182]

The way ned would take the throne is the same reason he did everything else he didn't want to. If it could be expresed to him as a duty, a responsibility, not a privlage. Convince him its something he has to do for the good of the realm and his honour and pride would force him to do it

[@NessaEllenesse]

I was thinking Jon is raised by Benjin and Denaerseys marries Rob.

[@danielstark8356]

I think if Robert would have been killed in battle but Robert/Ned's side still won then Ned would have become king. I think that was a very real possibility.

[@iamalpharius9941]

why would Ned die? he wouldn't have a conniving bitch trying to kill him, like Robert!!!

[@martiniqueen2736]

This was a great vid! I'm rewatching season 1 RN and I can just imagine this unfolding this way

[@icechoc]

What is Daenerys was retrieved from Dragonstone and married to Robb? or if Rhaenys Targaryen survived and was married to Robb? (This would give Robb a claim to the throne during the War of the Five Kings so it would affect things with Renly and Stannis. Also as he was taking the throne maybe he'd get more allies? Tyrells? Martells? Both Targaryen loyalists and the latter are related to Rhaenys. Also how would it affect Jon having his aunt or sister living with him) if Rhaenys then Daenerys still has Dragons and is aware of someone alive with a stronger claim than her.

[@TheBattProductions]

I think that's totally reasonable! Robb and Dany makes a ton of sense.

[@TitoQuintana1]

Disagree with you on one point, Jon Snow, Ned lied to protect him from Robert. No need in your what if, Jon can be revealed as who he is, and even be next in line for the throne after Ned. A Targ, 2,0, made better with Stark blood.

[@TheBattProductions]

I disagree with that, but I'm not willing to die on that hill. Haha. Good stuff Tito!

[@Zeppelin616]

That would destroy any hope of him having a successful alliance with the Baratheons, at least as long as Robert is alive. Also it would completely break the line of succession, I don't think too many people would be keen to install Rhaegar's son as king after many of them just fought and died to dethrone his lunatic father.

[@zacharyzier314]

I can see an Sansa-Loras Tyrell arranged marriage to keep House Tyrell on side, and maybe an Arya-Tristane Martell marriage to satiate them. The Martell’s had a lot of respect for the Starks, and if they rebelled would be the toughest to conquer, so it would make sense. Plus I can see Arya, in her strong-willed character, seek out Oberyn Martell for training. Can you imagine how happy Arya would be in a place like Dorne with Oberyn Martell training her?!

[@TheBattProductions]

Arya would be ecstatic to be with Oberyn...MY LORD! AH!

[@RaptorGaming99]

​@@TheBattProductions😂

[@emoishguy08]

I’m surprised there’s not a “what if Littlefinger didn’t betray Ned “ video.

[@kasinokaiser1319]

I personally think that Tywin would enjoy Jaime returning to the Westerlands considering how much of an insult it was to him when Aerys put Jaime as Kingsguard. And considering Jaime's cynicism and having been fed up with this duty I can assume he'd be happy about it too

[@DamorkaDalilla]

I think that if Ned would make Jamie let go of white cloak and would not send him to the Wall. This, in turn, could benefit his relation with Tywin. Tywin was angry at the mad king for taking away his heir to the Casterly Rock by making Jamie one of the king's guard. Therefore if Jamie would be free of his duty Tywin would be content. I imagine Jon would be sent to Winterfell to be taken care by Benjen since he is Lyana’s son. I doubt that Ned would ask Reed to take care of Jon cause I think Ned would feel it’s his duty to keep the promise he made Lyana moreover Jon is Stark’s blood and Ned thinks Starks should stick together. Therefore Benjen would have to know the truth about Jon’s parentage but still, Jon would be known to all as Ned’s bastard.

[@izzyGO52]

DamorkaDalilla I don't think he'd be known as bastard, if Rob's not king then Ned has less to fear for Jon's life, idk where Jon would grow up but I think he would grow up a Stark :)

[@aaronneal6421]

Honestly Benjen would have probably tried to pass Jon off as his own bastard in that case, not Ned's. Also with Ned taking the throne, it would be a lot harder to cover-up the timing of the appearance of this new mystery baby.

[@kingjulian2612]

DamorkaDalilla i

[@egalmohamoud6478]

Ned hates Tywin because he had Ellia's kids killed. Why would he make Tywin the King's hand

[@comiclove5]

Ned would most likely bethroth Robb to Dany. Henry the 7th & Elizabeth of York style.

[@markjrbessett6429]

This means Robb becomes king of the Iron Throne after Ned!

[@Jarfargojones]

What if Ned and his stark soldiers killed Joffrey in season 1?

[@rahul7kakkar]

can you do the video what if ned defeats Jaime in season 1 in combat?

[@TheBattProductions]

I sure can! Thanks for the suggestion man

[@rahul7kakkar]

welcome 😃

[@rekka6366]

He'd probably end up getting skewered by the ring of spearmen.

[@The_Custos]

They both die.

[@FRISHR]

So basically Westeros would be a better place and less people would be dead if Ned became King.

[@turtlepond104]

I feel that Ned would have Rob marry Daenerys since they’re almost the same age and would help keep people under control

[@nekoppachi]

Very good points across the board, dude. Though, I have to say that if Ned sends Jaime to the Wall & doesn't have Tywin killed, then he's got a serious problem on his hands. Twin's been waiting for his opportunity to free up his heir since Aerys named him to the Kingsguard (And looking to repay the insult of having him named in the 1st place) & Ned sending him to the Wall would've been just another insult to be avenged when the moment was right. Add Littlefinger to this scenario & Ned eventually meets the same end he did fucking with Cersei. Additionally, as long as Rhaegar's family was still murdered in the sack of KL, Dany & Viserys are still spirited away & Ned doesn't get custody of them.

[@calvin5541]

A Ned/Tywin collaboration would be so lit🔥

[@edpistemic]

I very nearly didn't bother with this one, thinking that it would just be too different to be worthwhile. You proved me wrong! I think that this is one of your best!

[@jimstyslinger3454]

I think the point Game of Thrones has strongly made up until this point is that it doesn't matter what scenario played out, winter is coming and so are the white walkers.

[@jmace2424]

Imagine how happy Robert would have been not being the king and not married to Cersei.

[@danielstark8356]

What if Tyrion had gone with TV show (not book) Shae to Pentos after the Battle of Blackwater?

[@TheBattProductions]

Oo0o0o00 would've changed a ton for sure, especially blaming Tyrion for Joff's death. Good suggestion Daniel!

[@happymemories_videography]

Ned would put Tywin as Master of Coin, Jon Arryn as King's Hand, Robert as Master of War, Stannis as Master of ships, Varys or Littlefinger as Master of Whisperers, Pycell as Grand Maester and maybe Hoster Tully as Master of Laws and Barriston as Commander of the Kingsguard.

[@itaipee]

Dany raised on Riverrun , so she might end up with Admore ..

[@TheBattProductions]

Edmure gets Dany? Gross.

[@dudderz1658]

I don't think Ned would want Littlefinger on his small council due to PB's relationship with the Tully's and Starks. It would make Ned uncomfortable knowing that PB had fought for his wife against his brother

[@nathanielstacy4488]

because Jamie killed. the mad king the Nights watch was the only option Ned would give Jamie.

[@thegreatpage5912]

I believe if Jaimie told Ned the same story he told Brienne and they went and found all the stored Wildfire he would have pardoned him.

[@alt-monarchist]

You really did not think this one through properly. If Ned as Ruler of the 7 kingdoms found out that his nephew Aegon is the true heir, he simply would have declared himself Regent and would transfer his power to Aegon Targarayen, until he would come of age. If Robert wanted to rebel against that, then he would lose, because majority of the Great Houses were Targarayen loyalists anyway, and on top of that even Jon Arryn would have supported Ned's decision. So yea, Robert would lose against all of them if he wanted to go against Ned's wishes, especially when Ned would gain the support of 90 percent of the Kingdom.

[@barb7124]

Also what of Catelyn had been in love with Peter Baelish instead of Lysa?

[@TheBattProductions]

OooooOOooOO I like that! That's a good one! I wonder....Hmm. Probably wouldn't have been the insanity that happened to the Starks! Good suggestion Deep :)

[@274AMMO]

Thanks man . I always look forward to these game of thrones what if videos. Shout out from New Zealand.

[@TheBattProductions]

Thanks a lot Martin! Highly appreciated man. I'll keep cranking 'em out! Where from NZ are you from?!

[@Arcanine-od7fc]

What if Renly bends the knee and joins forces with Stannis.

[@syukrinasir3774]

Can you imagine, Queen Catelyn Stark, Prince Rob, Princess Sansa, Princess Arya, Prince Brandon and Prince Rickon Stark? Oh my.....

[@sean.burman98]

Holy crap this was interesting

[@TheBattProductions]

YEah?!?! I'm glad you dug it, Sean!

[@ErickP3768]

Not bad, but you overlook a couple of key players and positions. Example Varys would probably still be the master of whispers and like the original story he would see that Ned truly is a good man and would help him, feeding him info and protecting him in the shadows from bealish plans. Then there is Renly one of the sharper political minds in the small council he knew about how sneaky Varys and little finger were, and was always on toe with them. So that’s another ally for Ned and without Cersei one less enemy in the capital unless Tywin got Cersei married to Robert. Finally there is pycelle which you did mention, but what would have changed were his loyalty he would see the changing environment and know to stick on the Stark’s good side. Since Cersei wouldn’t have enough control to have pycelle under her thumb since all he ever cared about was surviving. So basically robert was known for being able to make many friends even from enemies, yet he’s now surrounded by lions and sharks. While Ned who wasn’t known for being very mingling or bringing people to his side like Robert, but oddly enough he’d end up with more true allies then Robert did. No one would have probably died. Let me just say one last thing I think you’re video is still really good, and believe me got has so many characters it’s hard to predict how they would all react to alternative timelines, but you still did a good job.

[@keyboardcat2657]

Lol Robert Baratheon "the most forgiving warrior in the realm "

[@TheBattProductions]

He is! He'd constantly beat an army, then go "IT'S ALL GOOD BRO, join me for some wine" and then BAM, he has a new bestie.

[@Deviousforesrcritter834]

This is one the most favorite things I love to think about, for me though the council line up would either be 1st line up Jon arryn - hand Robert - master of war Tywin- master of coin Whispers - varys Laws - either stannis or renly Ships - probably a good seafaring house to bring more houses to his side, so either velaryon but most likely redwyne or stannis (cause he as a naval commander was really good during the greyjoy rebellion The 2nd line up would be Tywin- hand Robert - war Jon - laws Ships - stannis or redwyne Coin- tyrion as he has his fathers mind Whispers - varys And for both the line ups for me it would have to be luwin so to limit the lannisters amount of allies And I will never in my possible line ups have littlefinger because no matter how good he is with money he is sleazy as hell, and even ned being as somewhat as naive as he is in politicking can see how much of a scumbag littlefinger was 😂

[@jefinsanti1885]

I think Ned would hav had Jon raised by his younger brother at winterfell

[@jrchuable5090]

Just found your channel. And this is definitely what I have been looking for especially a lot of what ifs pop into mind when watching got. Gonna go through the rest you have made so far

[@jesseshowedup4694]

He gives the crown to Jon and raises him in the Red Keep. kek? he's the rightful king in the Targaryen Bloodline.

[@jesseshowedup4694]

Plus if he were king; Dayne, Gerold etc. couldn't of attacked him or they'd be fucking their honor etc up the ass. So there is that.

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

Ned and Tywin would've made a formidable team.

[@mrmcmcc1]

what if Stannis became king instead of Robert

[@gfilmer7150]

That would be awesome. Davos would be hand, Jon Arryn would be Master of Coin, Ned would be Master of Laws, Renly would be Master of Whispers, Pycelle would've be Grand Maester, and Godry Ferring would've been Master of The King's Guard. I don't who Stannis would've married, it might've been Selyse, it could've been Cersei, that I'm not sure of.

[@doofbabe527]

In the case of Jon Snow I actually think one of two things will happen. 1. Ned takes Jon as his ward prince type person and since Jon is Targaryen, Ned would raise Jon to be an honorable, good, just king to take his place. John would basically be raised as the prince of Kings Landing as opposed to the bastard of Winterfell and in the event that Jon actually did die the throne would pass down to Robb who in this scenario would be second in line to the throne, and if Jon did grow up to be king and Benjen never actually had kids then Robb would become warden of the north and Lord of Winterfell (this one I think is more likely) 2. Jon is raised as Benjen’s son. He would probably be raised as a bastard still and maybe even join the nights watch but I doubt that would happen, and if Benjen didn’t have any sons, Jon would probably become Lord of Winterfell

Late as usual What if Ned declares Jon the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms after returning from The Tower of Joy?

[@pancakesstudios6351]

Robert would kill Jon right away

[@thegreatpage5912]

Did Ned even know Jon was legitimate. For all we know, he could have thought he was Rhaegar's bastard.

[@Mark-xh8md]

First of all, let me say that I really do love these videos :) I would love to have a discussion with you on several of them, but let's stay with this one for now :) 1: The premise, as you say, is suspect to the max. But yes, we'll go with it :) 2: Even in the "original" storyline, there were still Targaryen loyalists around - and enough for Robert to be genuinely concerned, as he says to Ned on the way to King's Landing: "There are still those who call me usurper". Now, the reason it was Robert who took the throne, was because that there is a very tiny shred of legitimacy around him due to his Targaryen grandmother. Ned doesn't have that. So the straw that Targaryen loyalists who didn't really wanna go on fighting could cling to ("Well....he's part Targaryen at least?") wouldn't be there. Meaning that Ned's position would be a lot more precarious. 3: Knowing Ned's character, there's no way he's going to let Tywin into his Small Council. He's not likely to have him killed, because he's likely to listen enough to people like Jon Arryn to make the call that this would only cause more havoc in a realm that is already trying to recover from civil war. The Mountain dies, completely agree there. Jaime? I could realistically see him executing Jaime, not only for his act of kingslaying, but for his refusal to protect Rhaenys and "Aegon" from the Mountain. But in the case that he doesn't do THAT, Jaime is going to the Wall, period. Ned would never "release" someone from the Kingsguard to go back to being heir to Casterly Rock. It's completely and utterly unprecedented and caused a metaphorical earthquake when Joffrey kicked out Barristan. Even Tywin pointed out that this was stupid. So Jaime either goes to the Wall, or to the block. Ned's dedication to his honor forbids any other solution. This will mean that Tyrion is the only remaining heir to Casterly Rock, btw ;) 4: Viserys and Daenerys. I completely agree - Ned would not have murdered them. But I also don't think that he would have merely settled for letting them become wards. Ned is politically inept to say the least, but his advisors (Jon Arryn, Robert and Stannis Baratheon) wouldn't be. They'd know that as long as a single Targaryen remained alive, there would be the threat of the massive numbers of Targaryen loyalists (see point #2) rising up against them. The solution: Send Viserys to the Night's Watch, and Daenerys to the Silent Sisters. Both of them would be completely harmless politically by doing that, forever excluded from any claims to anything, but alive. This would be a solution that satisfies both Ned's honor, AND the political necessities. 5: I agree: Cersei and Benjen are likely to be married. For two reasons: 1: To keep Tywin Lannister content, at least, and still connected to the Royal family, thereby ensuring the Westerlands aren't going to brew a rebellion. 2: There are very few eligible candidates for marriage for either of them: I can't off the top of my head think of any available women that would be high enough status for the Lord of Winterfell to marry, other than Cersei. And for Cersei it's basically a choice between Robert Baratheon (who Tywin hated) and Benjen. Benjen, as the King's brother, is by far the better match. 6: I don't believe that Littlefinger is going to be on Ned's Small Council. Ned was well aware of the history Littlefinger had with his family, and with his Queen, and I don't think that simply being a good moneygrubber is going to be enough. Remember, that it was for Robert Baratheon (whose family had no prior quarrel with Littlefinger) that he was recommended. I don't think Jon Arryn would recommend Littlefinger for Ned. 7: About the mopey bastard :P I think that's actually a quite realistic solution: Hand baby Jon off to Howland Reed. That, or back to Winterfell as "the king's bastard", but I think #1 is more likely. All in all I do love you for making these videos, and though I'm not a KZbin star, so you don't need to give a shit about anything I have to say, I would love to hear what your thoughts are about the points I bring up here :)

[@catshepherd3102]

What if…under the Targaryen ward scenario, they sent Danaerys to the Martells?

[@Borjigin.]

Absolutely excellent video, one of your best what-ifs ever. I don't think this new intro music is nearly as good as your old GoT-themed one, though.

[@thetruth4u13]

what if little finger won the duel with eds brother ..

[@TheBattProductions]

Excellent suggestion Kyle!!!

[@jeannebouwman1970]

Never happening do but ned and ashara dayne would have married

[@Brandonhayhew]

Kyle Cap Littlefingers is not behind of the one send out words to brandon about lyanna.

[@dogukaniscan2910]

Really cool channel. I love how the lore of game of thrones can be different just by one change of plot. Continue your good work you are my favorite game of thrones channel.

[@joshpowell1045]

What if mance bend the knee

[@samanthafisher3308]

U can tell this guy loves Tywin

[@sayuriwickramasingha1560]

True😂😂

[@J0ECRAWF15H]

WHAT IF NED NEVER LEFT WINTERFELL??

[@Javetts]

Stannis as King and Tywin as Hand would be the best. Ned can be convinced out of doing what is just, Stannis can not. Tywin would do all he could to maintain order and Stannis would see the law enforced absolutely.

[@Ken-ww9pz]

Ehh Illyrio and Varys had a goal of putting on the Iron Throne a worthy ruler.. Not sure Varys has a high opinion of Eddard but still he'd be a much better ruler than Robert- fairer to the people. Something that both of the aforementioned men would respect. How the dragon eggs come into this equation isn't calculable, but perhaps the dragons might have a shot of birth? I dunno- a wedding gift for Robb and Daenerys perhaps?

[@stickler6014]

Down the line years later about the timeline when the show starts Tywin would have definitely had found a way to have his granddaughter marry Rob Neds Heir. I think Ned would have had his brother take John. I think Benjin knew.

[@nickrowe5615]

What if hodor didn't hold the door? lol

[@kylenetherwood8734]

nick rowe Then he would be able to say things other than Hodor

[@JasperLane]

2 years late but here is my 2 cents. The problem with this scenario is that Eddard couldn't be king for two big reasons. 1st he has no claim at all on the Iron Throne, the reason why Robbert was chosen to be king wasn't because of right of conquest but because his grandmother was a Targaryen so in a way he had a claim to the Iron Throne. 2nd because he does not follow the faith of the seven. The seven kingdoms might tolerate the North following the Old Gods as well as one or two lesser houses in the south like the Blackwoods but I don't think they would be very happy with a king who follows the old gods, we would probably end up with a similar situation that Meagor faced

[@frischebrise2024]

1 what happens if Aegon didnt conquerd westeros 2 what happend if renly wouldnt have been killed and joined stannis

[@ChevyChase301]

FrischeBrise the tyrells and Tarlys wouldn’t follow Stannis

[@harrypotterfan52]

This would have worked for every one except Tyrion. Small Council would have the perfect composition: 1. Ned Stark - honourable King 2. Jon Arryn - his lifelong mentor and Hand 3. Robert Baratheon - Master of War, doing what he does best, i.e. fight. He would be the grandmaster in shutting down the Greyjoy Rebellion years later. 4. Tywin Lannister - Master of Coin. He would be happy to see Jaime banned from Kingsguard by Ned, allowing him to install Jaime at Casterly Rock as his rightful heir. Ned would be smart to have Tywin marry off Cersei to Benjen Stark. Thus bringing the Lannister family into his fold. Baratheons, Arryns, Tullys were already his strong allies. He would also protect the crown from going into severe debt as master of coin, as he knows how to build wealth. 5. Ser Barriston Selmy - pardoned and reinstalled as head of the kingsguard. Ned would see his honour and his value. 6. This leaves Master of Whisperers, Laws and Ships + the Grand Maester. Ned would be smart to leave Littlefinger, Varys and Pycelle out and instead bring on representatives from Oldtown and the remaining big houses: Tyrells, Martells and Greyjoys. This way, he would keep each big family in close alliance with him during this major shift of power from 300 year Targaryen reign to Starks. He would also install someone from his Stark army as commander of the city watch to keep his peace in the city. Robb would be heir and prince. Bran and Rickon would be at court and live out regular lives. Stannis would ward Viserys at Dragonstone, Daenerys at the Tullys. Keeping both closest to his most trusted allies (Baratheons and Tullys). Sansa would marry Ser Loras. Arya would be off doing her independent thing. Joffrey, Tommen, Myrcella are never born so no more incest. The only problem is that Tyrion would be screwed up. He would probably live out his whole life at Casterly Rock under Jaime who he likes, rejected by the society and his father as a dwarf. In this angle, there are also no dragons which would delay the army of the dead from crossing the wall. I am not saying the long night and 3 eyed raven angle won't happen in this scenario. Most likely, it would get delayed by a couple of generations after Ned Stark's time, when something else fucks things up.

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

Any time line where Joffery doesn't exist is a good timeline.

[@TheBattProductions]

Bahaha. can't argue with that, at all.

[@dragonstryk7280]

Dany would mostly STILL end up with the dragons. She didn't go looking for them, they were a wedding present (ostensibly through the Varis network). As well, Dany would be a whole different creature removed from growing up alongside the increasingly unstable Viserys. Now, of interest here, several things go differently. Ned could've given Jon over in OT, but didn't, so I have to imagine he'd still raise Jon, but where the difference is, is in the fact that as King, he would have enough protection in place to be able to tell Catelyn the truth at least. He would still otherwise keep it quiet, as Robert is still in play, but then, he would also be around Robert more, giving him time to help heal the emotional wounds of everything, and there is a possibility that he could reveal later on that Jon is Lyanna's Son (using this version, specifically, as it's less likely to result in Robert trying to kill Jon).

[@michaelsmart1577]

have no idea why this popped up for me 6 years later but one thing i think might have changed with Ned being in charge would probably be that the wall would have more manpower from prisioners etc being sent to it, as i think i recall them saying that it had declined in recent years the ammount of people who got sent to the wall from the south.

[@theneelay]

I think that it would be very likely if Robert Baratheon asked Ned to do it. Which is definitely possible. Also imagine how cool it would be if Jamie Lannister were first ranger instead of benjen. That would be crazy.

[@mlgmeistros4278]

Tywin would probably have received coin, he's a bit too flashy and far away from common folk to be a master of whisperers.

[@grantreed9790]

Great video, liking these "what if" videos!

[@petebondurant58]

Tywin was once Hand to the King under Aerys II, he would not accept being Master of Coin, which would be a step down for him. His brother, Kevan on the other hand...

[@babykitsune4789]

I feel like Visarys would be tamed by Stannis if he was his ward, and Visarys was the one pushing for taking back the throne originally not Dany so idk if anything would happen. Both Stannis and The Tullys would probably be loyal to the new Stark throne so they wouldn't allow it to happen even if Visarys wasn't mellowed. Ned might also end up letting Oberin Martell excecute the Mountain to help bring the Dornish onto the Starks side and not rebel. Also if the whole poisoning Jon Aryn plot still happens that's would probably be the time when Tywin Lannister could weasle his way into hand of the Kings position.

[@andrewm3210]

I know this video was made many years ago, but the only major fault i find with this is that Ned is assumed to die around the same time as Robert. I dont see why that would be the case; Ned kept himself much healthier and was generally a lot more responsible than Robert. Also this video skipped over the entire endgame: how the war with the White Walkers would have played out. No 3-eyed raven, no Jon Snow. Benjen Stark as Warden of the North. This could have been incredibly interesting.

[@vCLOWNSHOESv]

It would have been boring because things would just run smooth and there would be peace. Ned would be at all the meetings and on top of everything. No debt would exist either.

[@dragonswolves5330]

Having Ned Stark and Taiwan Lannister ruling together as king and hand would it be awesome what if

[@TheBattProductions]

Ned and Tywin would be my favorite power couple ever to rule, I think. If only they could be on the same page...