Game Theory: Dear Twitch, Grow Up!

We have a few corrections and clarifications to make on the content of this episode:
- Disguised Toast DID receive a DMCA takedown resulting in a 2 Day ban. This is NOT the same takedown he planned to orchestrate on himself with the help of another streamer, which didn't end up happening as he couldn't control the timing.
- Hasan's DMCA takedown was a fake submission. Twitch retracted the claim a few days later. He's now back to making MasterChef content.
- We made an error when suggesting that Twitch legitimize the TV Meta using Amazon Prime, not realizing Prime Watch Parties are a thing.
- I meant to say "month" not "year" when referring to streaming commitments.
- The Jeff Bezos comment was meant as a joke as he is the well known Founder of Amazon, which owns and operates Twitch.
We want to apologize for wrongly portraying parts of the situation and we hope that the sentiment can still shine through and raise awareness in-spite of our mistakes.
For more info on the subject, check out Ludwig's breakdown video here ► • This KZbinr's "Theor...
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Twitch is an interesting platform. Watching it grow feels very reminiscent of KZbin back in the day. So I guess that means I need to talk about it. Lately there's been a bunch of talk around people like Pokimane being banned or Ludwig getting into copyright trouble by switching over to KZbin. Theorists, it's time for old man MatPat to give some advice to the new wave of creators. Let's go!
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[@auraemerald8434]

“Final Security Breach Theory” Matpat. Please, don’t trick yourself like this. It’s not healthy at this point.

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU

[@Ignore__Me]

Denial is the first part of acceptance. Issue is, MatPat’s been denying this for over five years now..

[@kanha2237]

That’s why he said final security breach not final FNAF

[@rock9737]

jesus christ the bots

[@anushka3864]

Lol that's hilarious.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I like how a lot of big streamers have broken the rules and haven't been "permabanned" while smaller Twitch streamers get permabanned when they slip up once.

[@rosalyndt85]

Damm bots

[@cilantro2449]

It's because some of the bigger streamers are signed with twitch

[@jonhnnyringo6770]

It’s cause the women streamers don’t get banned for breaking the rules, but if you’re a smaller streamer especially as a guy they don’t care about you

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU

[@indeepjable]

there arent enough bots when do we get the comment with all 500 maximum replies being bots

[@Patterrz]

It is interesting to think that Twitch brought it on themselves a wee bit by making contracted streamers hit huge amounts of stream hours as opposed to making the hours more flexible to allow for more unique, shorter content. Streamers with paid deals make up a tiny portion of the overall number of streamers but a higher % of them have opted to do this "react to TV shows" type of thing, probably because it's easy and fills those hours up

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU🔥

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU🔥

[@slothgaming9688]

Cringe

[@sketchditty1054]

@Don't read profile photo shut up

[@arytho2113]

Oi what the hell is funny subnoodle man doin here thats pretty cool

[@Shivaxi]

Lowkey, your 4th theorist channel should be Misc. Theory, so you could then tackle theories on literally anything and everything. There is so much obscure niche stuff out there I'd love to see theory videos on that wouldn't necessarily fit into some big overall category.

[@mastershooter64]

hey! you're the guy who made the shroud skin videos

[@rack2k325]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmGqaoqIh7x8q68.

[@blackonammo6720]

No lie, it'd be funny to hear Mat saying, "But hey, that's just a theory. A CONSPIRACY THEORY."

[@chxrliex3986]

This kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYKboJl5ostlq5o💜💜💜

[@jhon9497]

Ayo Shivaxi, nothing about the comment you just made, just wnated to thank you for making me feel a little baby with RLCraft 2.9

[@Notllamalord]

The advance warning for dmca is very cool, it makes it feel less like a trap to take away revenue from creators, and more genuine

[@freezedupfrost6064]

KZbin's DMCA system is absolute garbage, anybody can DMCA any video

[@NisseCrusader]

@@freezedupfrost6064 DMCA my videos if it's so easy.

[@Icediamondsx]

"Final Security Breach theory" *Scott reappears* Scott: "Oh ho, we've just begun Matthew"

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU

[@Azipyx]

"It is only the beginning..." *"Of the end"*

[@JokersWild]

Unfortunately it isn't scott anymore because Twitter.

[@IamW4RL0RD]

@@JokersWild I think Scott is still in charge, he’s just not making the games directly

[@Patrick_channel_00]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3vNo2OibNSUn68

[@blazevoptixzz9748]

From what I remembered, as Toast's ban was a hoax. He asked his friend Lily to put a copyright strike in so that he was banned because he played one of her songs. This was for attention and as a warning to other streamers

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU🤠

[@masguardian]

hasan's DMCA is also fake

[@6darren6]

It also wasn’t a month long

[@phantomcrystal5243]

Did no one seen Lily's tweet after he said all of that, saying that she didn't actually dmca him? Her tweet was on January 13,2022 if anyone wanted to know, it's on her main twitter.

[@windbreak8876]

Holy sh1t I hate everthing about Twitch

[@garrettbennett9497]

used Asmon's chat the day Reckful died? wtf

[@logan62097]

@@oro88 It's still in poor taste though.

[@itsAustinGreen]

It feels completely wrong to keep this up without edits

[@ez_out]

I agree

[@slakraze6288]

Why, just because every point made is totally wrong? Why should that matter? LOL

[@nimkeejoshproductions]

It’s clear that MatPat and Game Theory itself does not care about doing their due diligence. They’d rather point to the KZbin algorithm and say they are victim of having to put out high-quantity content; and do not care about quality.

[@Imbalanxd]

the big twist: its actually the youtubers that take advantage of low effort content that they dont care about.

[@heydisikethisvideoleavearu4695]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f16Qo4WcmdSKe6s efff

[@PurpleDolphinStudios]

The problem with the "delete your VODs" solution is that Angry Joe got a copyright strike and suspension over copyrighted music in a game he streamed multiple months after the VOD was deleted. This tells us that companies can somehow still issue copyright strikes after the content has been deleted.

[@joelsasmad]

This means that Twich is just straight up misleading it's content creators. Wow.

[@King_Luigi]

Pretty easy to do that when VoD's aren't _actually_ deleted on Twitch's end. Whether it's something you 'deleted' yourself, or Twitch 'deletes' it due to banning you, fact is ALL of those videos still exist on their servers somewhere. (You can even find videos of Dr. Disrespect on there if you dig around long enough.)

[@mckenzie93]

A similar thing happened to Sneegsnag. He got a DMCA strike (can't remember if it was a suspension or what but I know he couldn't stream for a bit) for year old VOD's he didn't even have access to.

[@Furluge]

Or they just scanned the VOD and issued the strike later, or they scraped the VOD immediately and scanned it later. Don't jump to conclusions.

[@shaiuken7150]

freaking love angry joe

[@Coheed420]

Ayo @The Game Theorist why you using Asmons chat on the day Reckful died? You trying to do some shameless stirring of the drama pot? You could’ve used any other chat but you had to use that one? 👀

[@Coheed420]

@@oro88 Asmon says otherwise, take that up with him

[@JayPlusForerunner]

MatPat: stay tuned for our final security breach theory The upcoming SB DLC: Oh I don't think so

[@NotJpTem]

that dlc better fix the entire game

[@DeveloperJake]

@@NotJpTem yeah

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU🔥

[@BlueFoxDA]

MatPat discussing this Twitch issue was something that we all needed on this channel.

[@heyguys4571]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qH-YZmCXltKehaM Must Watch..

[@koimeij]

dont miss that i must watch this finally its coming

[@kontomoca1537]

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[@AOGood]

Have a non bot comment dude, like yikes, Mat needs to talk about these next lol

[@hithere7313]

….man that’s a lot of bots. Have a Boat Billed Heron

[@caboose05]

Why are we rooting for copyright law? Fair use is almost a joke, and the KZbin system of copyright claims is outright broken. Remind me why we want more automated systems that take down videos because someone played a 5 second clip of a song.

[@SpectacularSpiderFan]

Alright there's a difference between using a 5 second clip of a show or movie and using it in a tranformative mannor, and someone just basically allowing their viewers to pirate content, especially if the streamer adds NOTHING to the content.

[@kyoshinka]

@@SpectacularSpiderFan They do add things. Do you really want to be judge, jury, and executioner of what is and isn't transformative content on Twitch? Please, tell us what YOU personally think should and should not be considered "transformative" content.

[@kdawgtb]

@@kyoshinka what do they add?

[@lemonmist2233]

@@kyoshinka no twitch is the judge jury and executioner because it is basically the law they set the rules and they also have to follow fair use you can’t watch a show doing nothing and streaming it

[@creeperbait_42]

The reason is couse the KZbin system is at least consistant... Twitch is 100% not

[@Lorraine4u]

Matpat:''You're not a kid anymore'' Also matpat:*calls twitch a kiddo*

[@jadetheace]

Matt pat using his dadisms on twitch is hilarious. “You’re not a kid anymore kiddo”

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU

[@RaveFM7]

I love how the other four replies here are just links

[@jadetheace]

@@RaveFM7 yeah, his comments are usually littered with bots

[@SwaggerToast]

Dadpat

[@HyruleGamer]

I'm not very knowledgeable on all of this, but really enjoyed the video and learning a bit more!

[@Bub-vf7zb]

Yoooo verified guy

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU

[@HyruleGamer]

@@Bub-vf7zb Suuup

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

Oh hi Hyrule Gamer I didn't expect to see you here

[@eamonn1159]

I love ur content

[@pauliusskackauskas1963]

Actually Disguised Toast asked his friend Lilypichu to copyright claim him so that he can make content around it

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

It is kind of weird

[@phantomcrystal5243]

Lily made a tweet that she wasn't the one who dmca him.

[@santana8022]

lmao garbo streamers

[@nimisisblademedia866]

You know maybe scanning things with automatic systems is a bad thing. I feel it will lead down darker paths.

[@kevinhixson1586]

5:13 considering how KZbin's been treating it's creators and community for the past 7 Years now I'm not surprised twitch has learned nothing.

[@MaziMayaz101]

1:58 breathe man 💀💀

[@scrub2005]

Why use asmons chats on the day reckful died kinda weird

[@JoaKimzen]

I'd say it's best to take this video down because of all the mistakes, I generally enjoy watching your videos, so I'm not trying to hate.

[@umbra_kyu]

It's called game theory for a reason. T-H-E-O-R-Y. Edit: Guys i am aware there is misinformation, you guys act like matpat is perfect or something. We all make mistakes, omfg istg y'all are too much. I still think it's great he called out twitch for the way they treat their creators. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@sifibruh7055]

@@umbra_kyu “I’m just asking questions”

[@heydisikethisvideoleavearu4695]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f16Qo4WcmdSKe6s ffvefe

[@lifelesslife2651]

@@umbra_kyu But its not theory? he just made mistakes on what actually happened that's already been documented

[@brookskelly5240]

What he got wrong was in the description, and doesn't change the point of the episode, so nah

[@kaejuka6249]

2:28 and then there's the vtuber Ironmouse, who has been continuously streaming for the past 9 days straight, without showing any signs of stopping anytime soon. It's really flipping impressive

[@DorneysHouseofGames]

Also Miyoung/kkatamina, Ray_C, Natsumiii. Subs thins are so comfy to seat by

[@Jun_Zz]

It sounds a lot like you are pushing for the same oppressive and abusable content id copyright system, that you and so many other KZbinrs have fought against, to be implemented on Twitch.

[@starrie818]

Because he's so big he doesn't care what happens to smaller creators

[@matiasbrevisfey5466]

I mean twitch streamers watched seasons of shows while racking in thousands by the hour just by being live and adding occasional comments, this is lazy and misuse of other people's property to placehold content that should be created by you, the content creator, simple as that.

[@venomancer5736]

@@matiasbrevisfey5466 true

[@venomancer5736]

Imagine getting a month worth of pay check you get in a day on other countries currency but you just watch master chef all day and give toe nail takes yikes

[@Jun_Zz]

@@venomancer5736 Imagine sucking on the toes of these million dollar corporations like UMG that will instantly claim an entire video and it's revenue for humming 3 seconds of a song.

[@Ethanpariz]

Toast didn't actually get banned for 30 days. He was actually just banned for a few days

[@dylanahern7039]

Wait, the plan for a 4th theory channel comes to mind. But that’s just a theory, a Car Theory!

[@fatimahilyass2640]

I like how Matt said that he's going to have a last theory about security breach, but not a last theory about fnaf

[@electrictutorial1]

They did try to implement watch parties but it was extremely poorly implemented. Since audiences are international, and some don't have amazon prime, it locked a lot of viewers out of the watch party.

[@electrictutorial1]

@TheLostAge It literally has nothing to do with copyright. Amazon owns rights to those videos on prime and Amazon owns prime.

[@Extremexboxplayer]

@@electrictutorial1 no it's because of copyright that some series can't be viewed in other countries. Hence why you need a VPN if you wanna watch Southpark on netflix I'd you live in the US, it's the same deal.

[@electrictutorial1]

@@Extremexboxplayer it's not like twitch has blocked content from certain countries in the past...oh wait they have.

[@EpicBlackflame07]

exactly and most shows/movies are region locked too

[@electrictutorial1]

@@EpicBlackflame07 no my point is they can literally lift the amazon prime restriction, and still lock out regions it's not available in. It's very simple.

[@ex1879]

the lack of research in this

[@insidejoke9076]

A few years back, a video of two year old me singing "purple rain" with the song very very quietly playing in the background off the radio got taken down for copyright, after 11 years of it being up.

[@Lilmisswxx]

One of hasan's nicknames is literally pauzan lmao. The masterchef dmca was fake. Very disappointing to see a channel I like do so little research Eta: Ludwig slept for half that sub a thon. How is that engaging content?? No hate to him but come tf on. Bias much?

[@Doza17]

100%

[@iiiisssssaaaaaacccccc]

@@Doza17 10%

[@chromeqs]

As much as I appreciate Matt trying to cover this, there is frankly just a lack of research unfortunately. Toast wasn't banned for a month by death note, Hasan's MasterChef claims were proven to be a fake DMCA by a third party, and watch parties with amazon prime already exist, but sucks because prime isn't available all over the world. EDIT: DESCRIPTION

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU🔥

[@alyssonfarris2223]

Exactly. Really frustrating seeing youtubers cover something they know nothing about.

[@barrymccaucner9316]

@@alyssonfarris2223 MatPat knows plenty about copyright, Fair Use, and being on a platforms which is going through the growing pains of blocking illegal content. The "don't let Twitch get sued" part of the video was probably way more important than the "this is already happening" part

[@okaydetar821]

It wasn't really relevant to the point.

[@syd5350]

Check description

[@TheHaSh27]

Nice job ignoring HUGE pieces of information because they dont fit your narrative then throw them up in the description after the fact when the info was available for over a month. Real class act lol

[@iiiisssssaaaaaacccccc]

Ok twitch viewer chill out Imao, want him to apologize for hurting your favorite twitch streamer feeling lmao

[@june570]

Did the same thing for hollow knight. Like maybe I'm just salty but I love that game and seeing someone miss the main point of the games story and leaving out key information just makes me upset

[@warmpillow4457]

@@june570 it’s not key information, it’s ver MINOR information that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the overall points and messages. Stay mad.

[@june570]

@@warmpillow4457 key information like what your character is? That's just kinda sad man

[@warmpillow4457]

@@june570 I’m talking about this video, not his Hollow Knight video.

[@immortalsun]

OK, KZbin might be better and more consistent when it comes to getting rid of copyrighted content, but they also don’t respect fair use laws and take down content that goes under fair use. So KZbin’s pretty… well, not great in this regard too.

[@Spider-Man9615]

12:24. A purple rocket... I don't think MatPat realized what he made it look like.... Just saying... You know..... You know... 😐

[@brim_dim]

6:00 just got an ad for KZbin music..

[@Cyber_N-7660]

Oh no..... They're on to us...

[@gabeellsworth9027]

Ironic

[@breadsnek4003]

Hey mat pat, Disguised Toast’s ban wasn’t actually for a month, and the dmca takedown that HasanAbi got may have been fake.

[@matthewpeter9940]

They were confirmed fake but I think MatPat wrote the script before they were taken back

[@nyxyon3203]

Yeah, Toast's ban wasn't actually for watching Deathnote, he actually asked his friend Lilypichu to dmca strike him in an effort to kill the show watching meta

[@DesmondHart]

MatPat just confirmed that the fourth channel would’ve been music theory It hurts my soul knowing that will never be a reality

[@richardstoll7190]

same

[@israellai]

would've could've should've

[@damnbruh3663]

this was way too biased and got so much incorrect

[@warmpillow4457]

So much = 3 things🥴

[@onyxth3ripper]

For anyone that doesn't know of the full situation, please watch until the end of the video because I myself have been caught dead in my tracks with an opinion that was incorrect and didn't match up with what was being said.

[@heyguys4571]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qH-YZmCXltKehaM Must Watch..

[@Вэрилшер]

*That's wheere - THEORISTS has gone,,,* kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYSTe2qAm8hnha8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYSTe2qAm8hnha8

[@cloud1973]

These bots flooding the replies are incredibly stupid. Also, agree with this comment.

[@EviEmBee]

Normally I'm a huge fan, but there is so much wrong with this, poor representation of the facts and just an overall bad take.

[@Aramanela]

In what way?

[@Convicted_Melon]

@@Aramanela Calling for a second adpocalypse is objectively a horrible thing to do. This video is actually actively harmful.

[@k--music]

@@Aramanela Look at the description, the argument doesn't work nearly as well if you correct all of the mistakes he made. Also, he's advocating for a policy that actively damaged KZbin, and using an example of at least one claim that turned out to be false / DMCA abuse to advocate for that policy (which often leads to DMCA abuse and false claims)

[@creshiell]

Normally a huge fan, but this is the only comment you have on this channel? Shut up

[@EhhmmmNo]

Not a single dislike on this video despite 3 million views, it must mean this represents generally popular sentiment :P

[@aquathird5918]

8.8K dislikes. KZbin just hides them.

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmbeepbeepbeep]

Im glad big youtubers are finally covering this situation. Twitch has been failing us for years now.

[@Вэрилшер]

*That's wheere - THEORISTS has gone* kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYSTe2qAm8hnha8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYSTe2qAm8hnha8

[@lsh7098]

As if moist/DeFranco didn't talked about it weeks ago

[@DillonMaynard]

Kind of embarrassing that this is still up with so much misinformation in it.

[@scarlettealwing2819]

Did you read the description? :)

[@idiotbuster8662]

@@scarlettealwing2819 yes, its still wrong. That's the embarrassing part

[@taggonius7197]

@@scarlettealwing2819 it's not just the small examples that are wrong, it's literally some of the key points. hasan debunks this video thoroughly and ludwig did too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fH7PgZt7rq-An7M

[@TheJinxCast]

Hear hear.

[@bxnkyyyy]

Why did you have to use the chat from the day of rekful's death at the beginning? Absolutely distasteful

[@Qingzi37]

read the chat, its from a lost ark stream, someone probably just mentioned Reckful and that's why chat is talking about him

[@reddead102]

Theres no mention of his death in the beginning? He just plays a funny clip?

[@itzW3LF]

Did you really have to use THAT twitch chat to make a joke at 0:35?

[@dakejunior6161]

Init

[@rakube2862]

Matpat needs to stay in his lane

[@hneybees1196]

5:04 MattPatt coming in with the comedic talks, I died 🤣

[@permafrost8322]

After what happened with Viacom and KZbin, I’m surprised Pokimane would take chances with Nickelodeon shows

[@RegentStatue745]

All her energy goes to her breasts and hips, not her brain.

[@anxiousearth680]

@@RegentStatue745 Oof, that's a bit much dont you think?

[@gortis1104]

This has nothing to do with games

[@KittenKatja]

11:55 But KZbin is also passing on how the copyright law is handled to others. Only a court could tell when someone has to unclaim a video; if your video gets claimed, you've absolutely nothing to say to get it unclaimed, youtube won't do anything, the claimant can receive messages from you per email, but they don't need to give you the revenue they stole or unclaim the video.

[@Ninja-bv9ni]

note from game theory des: * In this episode we made mistakes when referring to certain streamers and the DMCA takedown notices. Hassan’s takedown was fake and Disguised Toast staged his takedown. We also made an error when suggesting that Twitch legitimize the TV Meta using Amazon Prime, not realizing Prime Watch Parties are a thing. We want to apologize for wrongly portraying parts of the situation and we hope that the sentiment can still shine through and raise awareness in-spite of our mistakes. *

[@Leo40214]

I’m sure every one of the 2+million viewers read the footnote

[@inhalemyants9569]

Boy I sure do hope they upload a supplemental video to this one with a better analysis and solid corrections/apologies to the mistakes made 🤧

[@heydisikethisvideoleavearu4695]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f16Qo4WcmdSKe6s fvfevf

[@spongichu9248]

This is why Vtubers do watchalongs and unarchived karaoke.

[@kamalabdulaal3569]

“Matpat:Twitch you’re not a kid,kiddo”

[@Ceres_5]

Hey MatPat, I don't think you will ever probably see this, but on the off chance you do, I would really appreciate another Destiny theory after all these years. Destiny 2, to be specific. Thanks, and I want to know that I love your videos.

[@MinaStarlet]

to be honest with recent aqquisitions i think it would be interesting for you to review that theory about different streaming platforms. As its been, what, 4+ years since you last talked about it? and the landscape around streaming platforms has DEFINITLY gotten more competitive.

[@DylanBM]

No I didn't drop it in dirt, grow up.

[@zakadoke9912]

You're just arguing for an ad-pocalypse on twitch. Matt got his bag and now he wants to be sure it's harder for others.

[@oper10]

it's kinda funny seeing all these comments making the exact same points appear in the last hour. I wonder who sent ya XD

[@zakadoke9912]

@@oper10 made a comment yesterday as well about some of the errors made in the video, but you weren't reading the comments yesterday. 🧐

[@oper10]

@@zakadoke9912 im looking at the comments in the last hour which are identical. It's a pattern I've noticed

[@GetOnMyHypeJP]

@@oper10 Go back to LSF

[@bob69927]

@@GetOnMyHypeJP LMAO

[@shrimpyhaha]

Mattpat: *realises he made a few mistakes in the video and corrects it in the description "smart ppl🤓": "Oh noo matt is spreading misinformation, he is wrong"

[@zelkk7049]

I mean to target the "haters" you gotta pin it instead in the comments because these "haters" will correct them by commenting. By seeing the pinned comment, it might answer some of the corrections

[@shrimpyhaha]

@@zelkk7049 yes you have a point, but still the ppl who point out those little mistakes are just tryna act smart or whatever, they just look like idiots, well i'll change my comment accordingly to not confuse ppl

[@ogle_tr]

@@shrimpyhaha you realise the description is also filled wrong right and at 35 seconds he uses twitch chat from rekful who had just commited suicide to mock youtubers he is hated on for many reasons

[@shrimpyhaha]

@@ogle_tr well idk anything about that, but you do you and i do me

[@LonelySandwich]

“final Security Breach theory” Matt don’t lie to yourself… it’s gonna be ok..

[@dianheryman4334]

lmao

[@TwelviSC]

wait a minute, you're not disguised toast

[@player1thepro658]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[@Weirdhhh_wo]

Man i miss you lonely sandwich..

[@Kirbyroth]

Security Breach DLC coming to make Matt do more theories

[@emmadictator4062]

From what I remembered, as Toast's ban was a hoax. He asked his friend Lily to put a copyright strike in so that he was banned because he played one of her songs. This was for attention and as a warning to other streamers

[@nobellsix7828]

what what is your account dude

[@JoCheah]

You remembered wrong. It was an option if the media companies never banned him, but they did so Lily never striked him.

[@PurpleSpie]

ROBOT.

[@jellytwins1018]

Yeah sure "a warning for other streamers" If it was faked, he definitely did for attention.

[@iaMexIstiNgTerribly]

@@nobellsix7828 they're a bot that steals comment

[@fryyedlemmon7467]

I don’t think twitch is right for making streamers meet stupid amounts of streaming hours but I do believe that streamers shouldn’t be allowed to sit in front of a TV and “react” to someone else’s hard work and then make thousands from it

[@cerebralcloud92]

@@y0urh0mew0rk Did you even read the comment?

[@Nemhyz]

Yea the whole reacting streamer craze is pretty wild. But that's also Fair use...soooo

[@thecoolcarhd4402]

i believe they do have a right

[@thebluepsycho4947]

@@Nemhyz how

[@bestmesubliminalsandyoutub4305]

@@Nemhyz your brain is also fair use iirc, btw who tf are you? Kid don't even know abcd yet, how the hell is he allowed to make statements on law.... Society, its really going downhull

[@NewOrleansGrey1]

When MatPat says: “I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed,” he has officially taken his final DadPat form.

[@uncletony7506]

🧓

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU🤠

[@idekanymorefr]

dissapointedpat

[@goldenapplesaga5446]

@@idekanymorefr 😂😂😂

[@AngyllxBlues]

That kind of scares me lmaoo

[@speedbreaker3270]

Can we just acknowledge that after all these years MatPat is still able to use the same old picture of himself to create any facial expression imaginable for his videos

[@aHumanBeing97]

@@Preacher_. and it took you whole 5 mins to come and watch this video. Read this comment and then come and reply to it. All for the sole reason of attempting to spread hate.

[@imsoooICY]

@@Preacher_. L

[@Preacher_.]

@@aHumanBeing97 Spread hate...? This video is literally misinformation... I've watched Ludwig react to it and call out all the incorrect information, & i've watched Hasan react to it and call out all the incorrect information... Literally read the description... MatPACK literally admits to it in the video description.... Can you read...? Did you even watch the video...?

[@aHumanBeing97]

@@Preacher_. yes. And it’s the fact that I can read that he said he’s mistaken. Is Exactly why I know you’re simply just here to do all of this. You didn’t even bother to try and deny it. You just got hostile and spread more hate. Great job.

[@Preacher_.]

@@aHumanBeing97 Saying a video is misinformation and poorly researched (All true) is "spreading more hate"... What.... Lolol

[@kj4474]

Just a small correction, Hasan was never officially copyright striked by Fox for his Masterchef content. Someone Sent in a fake copyright strike which Twitch mistook as a real one. Later when Hasan discovered it was fake, Twitch recinded the strike. Edit: Addressed in the description.

[@lulara6065]

Toast was also not banned for a month that was just a joke he made. He was only banned for 48 hours (04:47)

[@CdTriX]

@@lulara6065 Toast was also banned because he asked Lilypichu to strike him for clout.

[@SquidGains]

Don't think that's the point tho

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU⭐️

[@ashsmashtrash]

@@CdTriX Lily never did that, she clearly stated after toast put that out

[@EvilDenial]

Just another small correction, Toast wasn’t ever banned for a month. He was only banned for 24-48 hours. He just said “see you guys in a month” as a joke

[@blank813]

Yeah. He also had on of his friends do the whole reporting thing to make a statement about it

[@chxrliex3986]

This kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYKboJl5ostlq5o💜❤️💜

[@NoobSharkey]

Toast was also memeing cuz he asked i think LilyPichu to help get him banned for a day or something

[@phantomcrystal5243]

@@NoobSharkey It got denied by Lily from a tweet she made on Jan 13, 2022 on her main twitter. She said that she wasn't the one who dmca him.

[@kenttimothy]

hasan dmca was also wrongly done... matpat might need other examples that are actually true lol

[@unknownvariable9239]

Not the Game Theory we expected, but definitely the one that was needed.

[@SapphireOceanWaves]

Yeah

[@Вэрилшер]

*That's wheere - THEORISTS has gone* kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYSTe2qAm8hnha8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYSTe2qAm8hnha8

[@Axolity_]

@Don't read profile photo please shut up

[@thebigsadd5253]

Definitely

[@mr.midnight23]

So many bots, damn

[@MK_2023.]

Wtf is actually wrong with you, using Asmon’s chat on the day Reckful died in your video at 0:35. That’s honestly disgusting.

[@swampylol8495]

I love that everyone is talking about this issue and its not being swept under the rug

[@killerbee8945]

@Don't read profile photo ok

[@thesithofearth3617]

That's alot of bots lol

[@Mosaiiic]

more bots than real comments sheesh.

[@swampylol8495]

@@thesithofearth3617 I was actually surprised because of them.

[@WretchedRaymond45]

Zamn ok bots

[@Greynova08]

Here from asmongold. Huh you probably picked a random twitch chat but man you picked the chat where they were telling asmongold about reckful’s suicide. Kinda weird.

[@ewkrerstudios6872]

Everyone: complaining youtube is too strict and sold out Matpat: complains twitch isn't strict and sold out

[@Sasoridellasabbia]

Truth

[@Anonnnnomus]

Matpat: getting most of this video wrong in the first place

[@korwynias_yt]

Its not about becoming strict, its more about consistency. Letting some pass and not others.

[@jayvhoncalma3458]

So in a nutshell KZbin should be less strict while twitch needs to be stricter?

[@lulpert1370]

Because streamer there are stealing their hard work and money simppo

[@MREmrdzcn]

I love how Mat learned to say "Final SECURITY BREACH theory." and not "Final FNAF theory." We all know it will never end.

[@gummidon1618]

Stupid bots

[@bynnyn]

We're stuck in the FNAF-aradox. There's no escape.

[@ZUnknownFox]

well neither will fnaf but now you're just telling us what we already know.

[@falo5025]

​@𝕂𝕖𝕣𝕚𝕗𝕒 𝕐𝕒𝕣𝕗𝕚 who asked?

[@EJashWaghela]

You don't want to either

[@WattsTheSafeword]

At least twitch tries to, you know, help creators with policy issues properly. KZbin can’t even provide proper transparent explanations for how their guidelines work or properly roll out copyright issues.

[@barrymccaucner9316]

Twitch helps their creators and therefore themselves to not get sued despite having done illegal things. KZbin is trying to outright ban the content which is illegal, which can be difficult when the case law around copyright is still changing pretty frequently.

[@WattsTheSafeword]

@@barrymccaucner9316 specifically around copyright, sure. But KZbin is a garbage fire of not helping creators succeed with ambiguous policy that their own reviewers don’t properly apply. (copyright not being the only issue). But that’s not to say those streamers didn’t know they shouldn’t be streaming avatar for 10 hours. 🤣 Thats not a surprise avatar would be a copyright issue.

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU⭐️

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU⭐️

[@trancepeirce3107]

Someone can replace the words twitch and youtube with each other and this comment would still make sense.

[@smactork]

I really wish you would talk specifically about how horrible the music industry is for gamers

[@datmanjay9274]

No streamers like poki just watch other people’s content and they are surprised when they finally get banned acting like there innocent I’m glad twitch started to do something

[@xDarkTrinityx]

@@datmanjay9274 Sooo, you didn't watch the video.

[@v.crowley]

Music industry isn't at fault .... game devs need to stop using other people's music

[@datmanjay9274]

@@xDarkTrinityx didn’t poki get banned for watching anime?

[@datmanjay9274]

@@xDarkTrinityx I’m not talking about music

[@genericytprofile852]

Let's be real, until twitch actually has fair and consistent rules on what content is ok (ie. not favoring bigger channels with flexibility smaller channels don't get), I don't ever see twitch "growing up".

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU😎

[@lindabcarpentersings]

To be fair this is still the case with KZbin as well anyhow, like huge creators get more leeway, but not as extreme as twitch

[@mikealaniz7236]

@@lindabcarpentersings yeah that’s just how this will always work. They make them the most money ofcourse they’ll do all they can to keep them.

[@blipblop1112]

Geez, these bots!!!

[@heydisikethisvideoleavearu4695]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f16Qo4WcmdSKe6s fevfe

[@lbow5479]

I mean, you can't just stream copyrighted content for hours (for a profit) and be surprised when you get shut down. Getting temporarily banned is waaaaaaay better than having to suffer serious legal consequences.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

Copyright is fake

[@emeraldfinder5]

@@mrs.vasquezz I mean, yeah, laws are a concept, but doesn’t mean they can’t be used to hold you accountable

[@StarsShatteredBeyond]

@@mrs.vasquezzimagine spending hundreds of hours to create something and then streamers just steal it without crediting you, and just sit there.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@@StarsShatteredBeyond like how someone can trace a painting?

[@StarsShatteredBeyond]

@@mrs.vasquezz If you don’t know who created this, then either credit the guy that last posted it or don’t use the work at all, you can’t commit a crime(yes copyright infringement is a crime) and then go Oops sorry but I’m a birthday boy

[@EposVox]

I agree that Twitch needs to grow up on this overall, and have been preaching it forever. Couple corrections, though: Twitch/Amazon DO have watch parties for any content in Prime Video (but everyone involved needs a Prime sub). Makes streaming out-of-prime shows more tasteless. Also Hasan's DMCA turned out to be fake, and Toast's was self-inflicted, not related to the show, and only for 2 days.

[@skyrider7751]

verified person with only 12 likes???

[@spidercraftgamer1001]

Sup' Checkmark

[@TheLazorStudios]

look at the desc

[@legion11236]

@@skyrider7751 check again lol

[@blipblop1112]

Preach it

[@lerialazariuc5923]

"You're not a kid anymore, kiddo" One of the best lines ever

[@ChicoTunda]

Of course the theater kid in MatPat would make a Company refrence

[@enderguardian7443]

its like a dad talking to his 24 year old son

[@anthonym9977]

F to this reply section

[@lerialazariuc5923]

@@anthonym9977 I am sincerely disappointed as well

[@VladimirPackard]

Using Asmongold's chat the day Reckful passed away at 0:34 is kinda insensitive. You could've literally used any chat and you chose that one????? Yiiiikes..

[@robertodelarosa5537]

you need to make those mistakes you admit in the description more visible to others so that they are not misinformed by the content of the video

[@EmiZViolet]

+++

[@the_bigfriv9401]

I guess the only way would be to pin the comment since you can't really edit existing videos

[@UncleBuck3t]

@@the_bigfriv9401 that's not true. ive got videos up rn that i can completely change in the built-in youtube video editor in the creator studios.

[@heydisikethisvideoleavearu4695]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f16Qo4WcmdSKe6s feeff

[@Kevintendo]

what’s even wrong? Just the numbers? The overall message still stands, no?

[@jaceadams]

You getting mad at Twitch for not having strict copyright policies like KZbin is the same energy as that kid who reminds the teacher about homework

[@quelidle3772]

it’s more of they don’t have a stable or consistent policy at all. And I don’t think Mat wants the same policies youtube has to be on twitch, he just wants twitch to be better than the mess it currently is and used KZbin as an example. Both KZbin and twitch could be better, twitch just has its work cut out for it.

[@raidwipe]

@@quelidle3772 they do have a consistent policy: content is taken down when users file a DMCA complaint.

[@purplewine7362]

lmao L bozo

[@xsp1160]

@@raidwipe like the consistent policy on "no sexual content" And still when a user files a DMCA takedown the damage has already been done because they probably saw it weeks after it released

[@alidan]

@@xsp1160 legally that's not on twitch to enforce its on content owners, youtube just does it proactively because lawsuits would come, twitch has amazons backing, and it would be in the best interest to fight that system rather than capitulate.

[@CrispBaker]

The reason why Twitch is reluctant to implement this is that livestreaming games is often a gray area. If they implement it for TV, litigious game publishers will immediately start filing suit in the hopes of carving off a big chunk of the revenues.

[@benseniah5696]

True. Game devs and publishers have the same legal rights to DMCA streaming games as tv companies do.

[@Solznmid]

@@benseniah5696 but it wouldn’t work for them considering it’s transformative it would never hold up it’s a weak argument

[@jerrysandoval2001]

Nah, there was already a court case that established the precedent that playing the game is transformative.

[@chxrliex3986]

This kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYKboJl5ostlq5o😱😱

[@JonnyBoyHams]

@@jerrysandoval2001 Problem: copyright bots don't know that. I am a streamer myself and when I post my vods to youtube, any minecraft stream for example, it IMMEDIATLY gets striked because C418's music is copyrighted. So now, the publishers can take all the money made via advertisements ON A 5 HOUR STREAM OF MINE when the music played in the background for less than 3 MINUTES.

[@sergiolopez9841]

Damn, the only part that sucks is the background that's happened to the Bob Ross company and how the family isn't getting profit because they got scammed out

[@blueybird1648]

So sorry your comment got dumb spam bots

[@mr.snaplles5964]

@@blueybird1648 fr does youtube at this point not care about the bots or are they too busy removing useful features

[@wksers_serks]

@@mr.snaplles5964 Its the latter one probably :/

[@chiwu6443]

Very distasteful and strange to use asmongolds chat on the day reckful passed away, but grow up right?

[@EastBoundPack]

Nice nitpick

[@phatcrabmedia]

Fun fact: Twitch actually does give streamers the ability to stream Amazon Prime videos. The only catch is that each individual viewer needs to have Amazon Prime in order to view the content.

[@Speederzzz]

That's pretty lame lol

[@AnymMusic]

@@Speederzzz but logical

[@Speederzzz]

@@AnymMusic true, many things in life are such

[@darkspark477]

and the content is region locked

[@wasntdeleted]

@@darkspark477 now this is dumb even if I buy prime I cant participate in watch parties >:T

[@blazerboy3000]

Matpat I love you man, but this one was off the mark. Very disappointing tbh, like how did you miss that Hasan's dmca was fake?

[@iiiisssssaaaaaacccccc]

That still doesn’t matter, his point still add up even without talking about that politics dude.

[@jessierabbit]

@@iiiisssssaaaaaacccccc It really doesn't. Matt got a lot wrong in the video and sounds very salty that KZbin has a terrible copyright system and wants to force other platforms to follow. Twitch has no reason to change its policy.

[@Qwerty-wk3jy]

Probably had to rush with this one, i still love the guy (Doesn't he have a scheduel?)

[@bobbethy]

Description

[@Imbalanxd]

@@iiiisssssaaaaaacccccc "the facts dont matter as long as I like the conclusion"

[@CriticalNobody]

I can’t wait for all the big streamers to react to this video and somehow miss the point of it

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU⭐️

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU⭐️

[@seaweedbanana4663]

aaaaand the bots are at it again

[@endergamer4545]

well they had it coming there since they thought they be safe on twitch streaming half this stuff but least they got made fools of them self's without realizing it now

[@flip.2]

Xqc already did

[@yeolegamingstudio2603]

I'm with you on the whole Facebook ruining the word meta, smh

[@creidy2018]

Let’s not forget, the Toast thing was a massive troll. He had another streamer do a copyright strike against him to get his channel shut down really briefly. There’s a whole video about it, it was kinda funny lol

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

Yeesh , know i feel stupid. I got baited.

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU🤠

[@coolterra8491]

Actually lily revealed that although they planned it she ended up not doing it and it was an actual copy right strike

[@sheepcommander_]

@@coolterra8491 really?

[@fish-zb4tg]

​@@coolterra8491 nah

[@gimpalopagus]

Strange how you didn't mention that masterchef wasn't dmca claiming anyone and it was in fact a false dmca claims by a bad actor.

[@heydisikethisvideoleavearu4695]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f16Qo4WcmdSKe6s fvf

[@neku2741]

Still stealing other people's content

[@kumoj]

@@neku2741 ok then what about game theory? they take *game content* to make their video isnt that the same thing?

[@ziglaus]

@@kumoj no its not!

[@markpaulpangan7618]

@@ziglaus how is it not then???

[@Panzy4life]

I’m disliking this video because none of this is fact checked. You got so many things wrong. Lazy work, man.

[@pardonmesire8824]

What was wrong? Just curious

[@johnbill5468]

@@pardonmesire8824 What was not wrong is a better question to ask.

[@pardonmesire8824]

@@johnbill5468 Ok, what was not wrong? Still curious 🙂

[@iiiisssssaaaaaacccccc]

His point went way over your head.

[@Aditya-sd2px]

Ah yes , a person with 15 million subs is gonna care about your dislike

[@turtles9707]

Uses a chat from the day Rekful committed suicide at 0:35. Instantly stopped watching. How shameless can you be?

[@chuckbass7276]

So you think he used Reckfuls death intentiaonally? Ofcourse he didnt. It's not that deep.

[@Mimi-qe7qz]

@@chuckbass7276 yea but this is a well edited 16 minute video, couldn't he AT LEAST watch his own video carefully and NOT put that in his vid?

[@camharkness]

That's more on his editors than him. But yeah that shouldn't have been there.

[@Frostyco]

@@camharkness editors that represent him and his brand, still looks bad that he saw the finished product and still decided to release it

[@Risk-clips]

There where some comments above pointing the same and now they were removed, wtf, they are going to remove this too?

[@Spaghetti-kb6mf]

"Final security breach theory" Matpat you know Scott will come back and make you eat those words like a 5 course meal.

[@Lanay_]

hehe, 5, I get it

[@Johanimate]

So Many Bots!!!!

[@gummidon1618]

Yeah I’m hoping he will

[@acethemain7776]

what i thought he retired!

[@chxrliex3986]

This kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYKboJl5ostlq5o

[@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache]

I love how this video is neither about a game, nor a theory, lol

[@Wallasmod]

Honestly, all I’m hearing is ways to charge customers for content on Twitch.

[@Evy_SX]

i LOVE that too

[@TranceCore3]

@@universe.factory twitch slaves tryna game the system, when I sub to them to play games (its almost like streaming 20 hours a day isn't an actual career, and is still just a hobby)

[@ultragamer969]

But that’s just a theory, a social media theory. Thanks for watching.

[@Ihaveno_ideangl]

😐😐😐

[@thashroko]

toast was actually only banned for 48 hours, he said "see you in a month" only to overdramatize or take a break. but it came out he wasnt banned for a month and he streamed a few days after being unbanned

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU😎

[@desvile_9436]

WHY IS EVERYTHING BOTS

[@dudemcguy8949]

@@desvile_9436 Because KZbin thought removing dislikes was more important than the bot issue

[@chromso]

toast wasn't banned by a company either i think. he called his friend/streamer lilypichu to fake a ban to get more views when he comes back to stream a couple days later

[@thashroko]

@@desvile_9436 dude i actually don't know, its really annoying how many bots reply

[@thatguyukno41]

0:33 uhm. This twitch chat was taken from asmongolds chat the day the stream reckful died by suicide.

[@mikeward9032]

Wow thats in poor taste for sure. Could have used any other chat..

[@aaefvacce]

Techincally at 0:38, you can see someone asking about Galatur, so it was some point where Lost Ark was on Asmon's radar.

[@ascaredtoasterwaifu8971]

Twitch definitely has had a lot of problems lately, especially for smaller creators theres been so many bot raids, hate raids, as someone who has streamed its constant stress thinking at any moment whilst you are online or offline you could have one chatter or one piece of music take away everything you have worked for. DMCA is the worst problem of all, I remember when cyberpunk first launched and so many ppl got banned simply because the radio was playing exclusively copyrighted songs. It sucks!

[@fatmouse4279]

It’s either that or twitch gets sued like crazy why do u think youtube has a system where the companies that own music can take all the revenue from the vids with their songs because youtube will get sued to the ground if they don’t

[@leeman23664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SnqnWKisuDqcU

[@theaxbowlotl]

speaking of bot raids, this reply section.

[@WitheringAurora]

What? You mean how youtube has the exact same thing? :) And is much less lenient.

[@vanexrexa9473]

@@theaxbowlotl does reporting them work?

[@jrsmaster411]

This topic is months old and still this video has misinformation. Wish I could get a list of the sources you used to research this so I could avoid them in the future.

[@robhans5]

That's standard for him. Like you go to any Fnaf theory group, reddit, discord etc. He is absolutely hated there for spreading misinformation and straight-up lies.

[@Savianok]

Using the chat from the day reckful died in the beginning was very very tasteless

[@dakejunior6161]

Exactly omg

[@Takkcinema]

It's not from the day Reckful died

[@gyropp]

@@Takkcinema might not have been from that day but its definitely weird to use Asmons chat when they were talking about it.

[@Qingzi37]

that chat is from a lost ark stream

[@JonasFootball]

It's when Asmon was talking about Reckful recommending a monitor to him