Film Theory: They Missed the Point (Try Guys Drama)

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Theorists, we need to talk about @tryguys situation and by that I mean the mainstream media coverage of it. See, I think the Try Guys handled the situation with professionalism. You know who didn't? The media making fun of them for being KZbinrs. That SNL skit? Not a good look. So, let's talk about all of it.
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[@lambz.]

not to mention that it was mentioned in the trypod, keith was on tour with his band and eugene was working on other projects which effectively left zach, a chronically ill man, alone to deal with this for 2 or so weeks. ned literally put not only his company at risk, but his friends and family. zach mentioned that during that time he was stressed and was in *severe* pain.

[@AnEmu404]

The way the media handled this, in light of what you’ve brought up here, makes me so genuinely angry. God, i hope Zach is okay, he seems like a strong guy.

[@greywolf7577]

What annoys me is that people treat the woman Ned had an affair with as the victim when likely she was just as responsible for the situation as he was. She shouldn't be allowed to benefit from a lawsuit.

[@judythepengu6158]

​@@greywolf7577 but you've got to remember it's very finicky because it was an employee

[@alexasulger]

@@greywolf7577 shes not THE victim, but she is one of many in this situation. ned had power over her. he was her boss, he’s famous, and he’s rich. that power dynamic makes the relationship inherently inappropriate

[@yaboi1981]

@Alexa oh ya she’s definitely a victim and obviously had no choice but to cheat on her fiancé…

[@pepekovallin]

It's crazy how the media will NEVER talk about actual toxic content creators and will instead thrown gasoline at an ember

[@JordenJords]

exactly, that's a grate way to put it /pos

[@Madame_Enyo]

You see calling out decent people=money.

[@meme-bu8qu]

They do that with everything, not just entertainment.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Because they don't want to fix the problem. They want to use the problem as their excuse to prevent small independent creators from rising and becoming an obstacle to their interests.

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

That's partly because the people at the top of these companies benefit from the status quo and don't want it to change

[@siobhanash897]

MatPat really said, “I’m going to say what everyone at second try is thinking but cannot say because of lawsuits”

[@isaiahmesa571]

This is really the only reason. Just doesn't sound as good as preditor prey.

[@Sentientmatter8]

Is this guy matpat? I've heard his name around the internet for years but could never place him.

[@sunnclown]

@@Sentientmatter8Yeah, short for Matthew Patrick.

[@SnaiIer]

@@sunnclownmisinformation, its obviously matthew patthew

[@FancyCat-jw2qz]

@@Sentientmatter8 Congratulations on finishing your quest for MatPat!

[@misbahabduljabbar8058]

Came here because Keith mentioned this video on the podcast and he's absolutely right. He covered it better than any news outlet out there.

[@merlin9584]

Me too!

[@lauradudley5085]

Same

[@hifelicia615]

Same! This was worth the effort to find and watch.

[@arielleskirzyk1029]

@@hifelicia615 can I ask which episode and when? Thanks!!

[@alyssa2188]

@@arielleskirzyk1029 it’s the recent try pod episode with Eugene (ep. 188). It’s towards the end when they mention what they were thankful for this year.

[@guccifer764]

The weird thing is “guy builds brand on his love for his wife then cheats on his wife” is a WAY funnier skit idea than “guys are mad that he put hos before bros”

[@Just_Some_Gal]

true

[@Angelwitch99]

So true honestly and would have been a lot less insensitive to the core issues

[@kikimiele1029]

You’re entirely right and that’s exactly why they didn’t do it. SNL isn’t funny anymore :’) (and they’re salty about it.)

[@Firegen1]

They never would cos that would bounce back on them with an old friend.... Kinda doing The same thing...

[@raawesome3851]

That is legit...

[@marycom15]

Matpat somehow manages to be the old guy and the young guy on the internet at the same time. In a very positive way - the bridge we didn't deserve, but needed

[@osmosisjones4912]

Here's the full clip://kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaqveX6EZs90jdU

[@chaoticsquidintuos1337]

MatPat’s the bridge between Zoomers and Boomers (more like zoomers and millennials though)

[@BOTGRINDER]

lol so true

[@theflowerhead]

It actually makes sense.

[@SpongebobLover38493]

He is the smart class clown, knows when its no longer a joke.

[@MicaSmash]

It’s both disturbing and depressing that the media’s first response to a company actually taking an inappropriate employee misconduct case SERIOUSLY is to either make “bros before hos” jokes or attempt to discredit them entirely. 😤 I won’t be sorry when their entire industry dies from their negligence and spite.

[@damonmart6627]

It wasn't the first response mate. As MatPat mentioned, there were many news articles that actually stated facts and were neutral.

[@damonmart6627]

These news companies making jokes were just SNL and New York Times, if not a few more. And they were LATER, not the first ones

[@archer9664]

What is inappropriate about this they both consenting adults ? The only thing wrong and inappropriate was homie cheated on his

[@damonmart6627]

@@archer9664 from what I know, workplace romance is pretty inappropriate, especially if the two of them are on completely different ranks, giving a pretty bad power dynamic

[@RaspberryHeart470]

@@archer9664 It's because Ned's actions could have lead to a potential lawsuit. His affair partner could have easily said that it was non-consential and that it was SH. If she were ever let go, she could say that she was harassed and was let go out of retaliation. Also, Ned made a toxic environment where employees may have to worry about being retaliated against if they ever turn him down.

[@OliviaHeath18]

Keith, Eugene, and Zach all revealed on their podcast that Ned is actually really good friends with journalists and people at places like SNL. They kind of hinted that Ned used his connections with them to make the articles you’ve mentioned, so if it seems like SNL and the Times are defending Ned, that’s because they are and their wrong take on the situation was a conscious attempt at making Ned look better

[@randomthoughts0829]

I've heard about Ned's college buddy being a writer for SNL (yes this is true, at the time that sketch was released) but i didn't know he also had journalist friends. It's absolutely not a reach to say that Ned himself had a hand in sort of rewriting the narrative surrounding his firing and what actually happened.

[@topasu9454]

"kind of hinted at" isn't the best argument. like, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but if you don't actual facts then you'd better stay quiet. you're just as bad as the rest

[@FabricatedPheonix]

​​@@topasu9454Lol what an L take. It is a fact that ned had a writer friend in SNL, and considering how bad that sketch was it's almost guaranteed that his friend had a hand in writing it. These guys aren't "as bad as the rest" you just sound like a ned sympathizer

[@TheDemonica22]

@@topasu9454 well when it was brought up on the podcast earlier and they were talking with ned about his writer friends that work at snl he did name one and that one is credited for writing that particular sketch.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

In other words, blatant nepotism

[@allie509]

This whole video is just Matpat being ENRAGED at traditional media and i love it so much

[@pvic6959]

and the sad thing is, no one from traditional media is watching. and if they are, they dont care

[@kiraeckard7625]

​@@pvic6959 I wouldn't say no one, there's lots of cross-over amongst millennials. The older millennials might have some of that bitter resentment for youtubers/internet celebs, but even the older millennials will often consume both youtube and traditional TV. Hopefully it sinks in with those millenials that hate on everything that isn't their preferred youtuber.

[@randomthings8732]

@@pvic6959 difference is, it opens peoples minds and also makes them dislike traditional media, perhaps one of those hundreds of thousands of people reaches out to the media companies, or who knows? this probably wont reach the traditional media, but what probably will reach them is the opinions of people

[@kiwin7119]

If you watch the Food Theory video on Nyquil chicken, MatPat gets upset at traditional media for missing the real concerns about misusing medicine.

[@gudinesangelicau]

same heree

[@BlueJeiVA]

Keith, Zach, and Eugene handled this issue better than any company has handled any controversy in YEARS.

[@gudinesangelicau]

ikr? im still hurting as Ned is one of my fav Try Guy, next to Zach, then Keith and Eugene but like, at least the truth comes out. Hope the Try Guy team fair much better as time goes by.

[@queenjeski591]

@@gudinesangelicau you’re the first person i’ve come across who had ned as their favourite try guy! may i ask why?

[@chewie8318]

@@queenjeski591 i know im not the one you asked, but ned WAS my favourite too (he was my fav up until about mid 2020 when i started to like keith more, for some reason lol). he was my favourite because his humour was much like mine, and i admired the way he spoke so highly of his children and wife. i am a very family oriented person, so i related to him in that sense. something about him made him stand out from the bunch to me, i cant quite put my finger on it but i was kind of drawn to him in a sense. hope that can give some perspective? :)

[@gudinesangelicau]

@@queenjeski591 oh well he's the nerd who loves soccer and hes chaotic when drunk, and just seemed like the "prim and proper" but also very extroverted frat douche and I love me some nerdy dorks and dweebs with an extroverted personality and- i know this is a hot take but- the "i love my wife" schtick just added my fascination with him and most specifically made me root for him and his family yk? Like I never really liked him specifically for that "fact." I root for all of them, but Ned and Zack just has a special place in my heart and it just hurts me to see my favorite Try Guys break up, but ig its for the best. Sorry its like an essay, i just really want to explain my feelings the best I could.

[@gudinesangelicau]

@@chewie8318 oohhh Keith is such a dork but I love him too! They have their own charms that just makes them shine to me, y'know?

[@gracel8790]

When I was a kid, my dad cheated on my mom and they got divorced. That's the super short version, lol. Whenever something like this happens, it always angers me to see people make it seem like a man cheating on his wife is simply what happens, it's commonplace, it's not a big deal. That experience put my family through so much pain, my mom especially. That's why it was so refreshing for me to see how to Try Guys handled it, professionally without diminishing the harm Ned caused. They didn't sweep it under the rug or say "well that's what happens in marriages." I hope more companies and people will reflect that attitude in the future

[@cherry_333]

i went through something very similar, but when i was a teen so it is very clear in my mind, and it was traumatic. i can only respect the try guys for how they handled it with the severity it deserves. it was also really infuriating to see people dismissing the guys experience when they called it traumatic. They were really close to both Ned and Ariel and with the added pressure of being in the spotlight it certainly is something that can be called traumatic. i could not have imagined going through what my family and I went through whilst also being in the spotlight in the way they did. Big props to them all around

[@thecat5819]

@@etsequentia6765 the original comment wasnt talking about gender it just said it's weird when people act like spousal cheating is normal, youre the one making it about the patriarchy and gender and being triggered. Classic whataboutism

[@schzti2455]

His wife has decided to stay with him for the time being. They have no right to get involved with personal drama. You need to seek help for your trauma so it doesn't could your judgment of others

[@hihowareyatoday573]

@@etsequentia6765 what does any of this have to do with Ned cheating?

[@lifenote1943]

Absolutely

[@alexakawaii8440]

snl and the new york times really thought they did something. It's disgusting to see how they're essentially protecting ned. I'm so proud of Keith, Zach, Eugene, and all the employees.

[@gamemations5066]

Eugene SS tier

[@Ekut3n]

@@gamemations5066 SSS Tier*

[@xer-er2fo]

The only problem with this whole video is SNL is not a news outlet they didn't make this joke to inform people they made it to make people laugh. was it funny? No but that isn't the point the point is you can't expect SNL to give accurate descriptions of the events because they ARE NOT a news outlet

[@greenbeantm1096]

@@xer-er2fo comedy is funny when based in reality and truth

[@ratwithahat4228]

@@greenbeantm1096 humor is subjective but yes

[@dylanrowleyprod]

I find it even more odd that one of Ned’s friends is a writer on SNL. Seems interesting to make a piece that doesn’t include the person at fault, especially since they’re friendly with SNL crew

[@kk_gotit_goinon]

If you watch the credits Ned's friend wrote that sketch specifically

[@singingfan]

How much you wanna bet he’s got a friend over at the NYT as well. The Ivy Leaguers have connections. Also the way he tried to manipulate the narrative himself by calling the paparazzi was so disgraceful and showed the kind of petty scum of a person he is. Putting Ariel through that public humiliation.

[@arizonaarkie]

i was literally WAITING for him to bring this up

[@greywolf7577]

Four different people wrote the script, including a woman.

[@ktvia]

@@greywolf7577 women can be ignorant assholes as well

[@xylaharrison7822]

After the sketch aired, Becky (Keith’s wife) remembered that Ned had a friend that became a SNL writer. Dan Bulla. They both were in a comedy group called Warm Milk, and it just so happens Dan was working on the scripts for this season of SNL…and he did the script for the Try Guys skit.

[@meganmadson8588]

oh my god it all makes sense. i can see every equation

[@kirstinweber3250]

Ye and his other friend will Stephen, and will actually worked on the try guys skit🥶

[@yourlocallesbian6448]

Sus

[@sadie9728]

Yeah I immediately saw a Reddit thread with the imdb credits and pictures of the writer with Ned!! Unreal. So unethical.

[@asenabirgul86]

Do you think Ned went so low or that Dan is the best of friend and did it for his sake to roast the guys 🫠

[@Poisonwc]

One more comment: As a woman, I am so proud of The Try Guys and the way they handled this. They could have kept quiet and pretended to know nothing about the whole thing, but they stepped up and dealt with it. It reminds me of one of my all-time favorite movie lines, “Love is love, but business is business.” (Auntie Vera, from the movie ‘Secret of My Success’).

[@rexmcdowd]

The only reason mainstream media outlets are mad about this story is because if the Try Guys handle stuff like this responsibly then they might have to as well.

[@neutralweird]

i like how they so poorly understood that ned actually had everything and lost it all but portrayed him as "being free". He was at a good place in his life, he had a loving wife, happy healthy kids, a successful business, a good reputation, and him having a whole relationship with an employee ultimately put all of that at risk.

[@LenaFerrari]

But... He is now free of a career on _youtube_ ... Don't you know that a career on youtube is the lowest of lows? (because if it isn't people will value yt as much as traditional media, and we can't risk that...) /s

[@queerlittlecactus8749]

@@LenaFerrari yeah, but the terms of his removal will make it somewhat difficult for him to get a job in a related field in the future. If you are fired from a job, at any interview for a new job you have to give a reason why you were fired. Even if Ned explains it in a way that makes it seem not as terrible, there is still legal record of the termination and internal review. Also, he is a well known name now specifically for this scandal (if people didn’t know of him before). Anywhere he goes, the media will follow. Sure, Ned’s job prospects aren’t zero, but they are severely impacted due to his decision. He may be “free” but he is not any better off than he was.

[@aloevera7835]

what i don't understand is why isnt ned allowed to have a fling ?

[@emersonrosbough1537]

@@aloevera7835 ned was a boss engaging in a workplace relationship with his employee. even if it was “consensual,” (which doesn’t exist when it comes to boss/employee relationships) it opens the company up to a lot of lawsuits if the relationship ends up going bad.

[@MonsterPrincessLala]

I mean, the writers of the SNL skit had the goal of minimizing the situation because it was written by two of Ned's friends 🤷‍♀️

[@RGC_animation]

It's not often MatPat gets genuinely upset and pissed, but when he does, you know it's something very bad.

[@A-strange-visitor]

like the calm friend situation

[@alquicksilver]

I loved seeing how passionate he was about this. The media portrayals were appalling and this is the right kind of energy in response.

[@Sketchitect]

I totally agree with Matpat

[@drcgaming4195]

why are u everywhere

[@steambud1013]

That's not how that works lmao, this is stupid internet drama that he needs to take absolutely no part in, but is anyways

[@mantis-manthegreat]

Ned Fulmer had a year long affair while having a wife and son, and creating a second son with his wife during said affair. He was married with kids, she was engaged to a fellow coworker. Both of them ruined friendships, and their partner's lives, along with damaging the company they worked for. I'm still mad about this.

[@alittlebirdysaid]

... do you have information about the timeline the rest of us don't? How do we know the affair was happening while they were having Finn?

[@mantis-manthegreat]

@@alittlebirdysaid from what I know the affair lasted a year, and Finn is a baby. Maybe the source i saw was wrong, thats on me. Idk anymore I moved on.

[@Izzy41630]

@@mantis-manthegreat Finn's a toddler. He was born back in 2020.

[@_Tree_of_Life_]

Nvm she took him back. 🙄

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

Those poor kids, they are going to see this story on the internet one day.

[@samanthadehoyos7010]

Yes. Just yes, to all of this. The Try Guys cleaned up a very public mess made by their "friend" and business partner in the classiest, most forward thinking way possible. If you didn't already love the Try Guys, you certainly should now. This video hit the nail on the head. Thank you.🙌🏻

[@carolinemcgovern4488]

I have not watched one episode of their shows, but this drama made me gain MASSIVE respect for the trio and the Try Guys fanbase for sticking by Ned's poor wife.

[@PyroGam3s]

@@carolinemcgovern4488 That's not what they did, they stuck by their business and that's it. They should have kept him on, and fired her.

[@beileisoup]

@@PyroGam3sthat’s not smart or morally correct 😭 usually u stick with one or the other but you’re dumb enough to dismiss both

[@jesshallock5346]

They gained so much more of my respect after this.

[@nessmarie6044]

@@PyroGam3s why would they keep on the boss who slept with one of his employees???? do you have any idea how many lawsuits that could cause ofc they fired him

[@littleheck1]

Dadpat came out in full force in this video - truly felt like he was standing in front of the whole of KZbin as he scolded the older siblings for hurting the younger sibling.

[@dinogt8477]

no one cares

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

@@dinogt8477 You obviously do enough to post your really weaksauce trash talk.

[@0eazy4]

@@dinogt8477 I do😁

[@kjh1678]

@@dinogt8477 about you

[@raphma4063]

@@dinogt8477 nobody cares about you

[@klausoshaunacey8429]

The try guys were honest, open and frank. Completely unlike any other company that has been caught in a scandal like this. It’s telling that big corporations are trying to punch down like this

[@myounakami]

This, the transparency the Try Guys showed is what the big corporations are scared of and why they're working so hard to discredit the group. If the Try Guys set a precedent that companies should be open and honest with their consumers, the big corporations (such as SNL) are afraid consumers will latch onto that and start pushing harder for transparency from them as well.

[@graysonoliver2632]

I wouldn't even label it a scandal.

[@Leveronicus]

@in your dreams SHUT UP BOT

[@eleanorcooke7136]

I was kinda worried that MatPat was going to try and roast them like CinnamonToastKen did. I agree that the mainstream media are taking a very dangerous and damaging stance on this now.

[@azarinevil]

@@graysonoliver2632 It is when you are the business owner and you put the business you co-own at risk of massive, potentially terminal, liability just to cheat on your wife. As Matpat said, he put the livelihoods of himself, his business partners and employees on the line. If Ned has just had some affair with a random woman who didn't work at the company it wouldn't be a scandal.

[@anna-maria8532]

I remember when that snl episode aired and I was watching it with my family and then when I saw a skit that featured the try guys and their situation I was so excited that they could get recognition, sympathy, and even praise from a whole new demographic about the situation. Then the second the actors started talking I was immediately disappointed. I kept waiting and waiting for a comment about Ned because they were being so mean and just false about the try guys that I figured they were going to make so many jokes about what ned did but there was nothing. Also the fact that the try guys have built such a reliable reputation for not being irrational and dramatic just for snl to portray them so heavily as such is just so upsetting especially since this is the first impression of the try guys to a whole new demographic. I remember my parents making comment like “how could you watch these guys, they are so stupid to act this way about someone’s personal business” and I honestly just didn’t even try. It spread a completely false story and it honestly just made me unamused by snl and just bored with all of their skits after they did the try guys skit.

[@mariakhan7986]

Neds friend from snl that he's talked about, Will Stephen, was the main writer on that sketch.

[@RandomPerson-bj1su]

I can only hope that everyone who watched the snl skit and believed it, watches this video and actually sees things for what they are

[@robertweekes5783]

SNL is run by degenerates. It used to be fairly wholesome comedy, now it’s a race to the gutter.

[@andrewnigo61]

I know this comment is old and I'm just recently finding this video, but really? You didn't even try to tell them why Ned was really fired, you just let them take an unfunny skit at face value? You should know by not doing so in the hopes of helping them understand it better, you essentially prevent SNL from feeding your parents' minds with outright disinformation and slander. Unless they've shown themselves to be incredibly stubborn at times over the smallest things, you gave up on your parents way too easily.

[@xloqrdx]

I did notice that the group was hurt that Ned lied to them. They don't want to talk badly about him because they were long-time friends. Better to keep it simple and keep it business related

[@miau6451]

that's a great POV - I can't imagine the emotional stress on them trying to shift from seeing Ned as "good friend" to "bad friend."

[@brandonj7586]

Not only did Ned lie to them - he put their entire company at jeopardy, their entire career, the company they all had built together from the ground up. I cant even imagine the betrayal and hurt they would feel over that.

[@kabochahata9693]

You already know it’s a problem when Mat has to take a seat on the couch and talk to the camera

[@GriffinZambia]

*Ok_Dont_Read_My_Names..* .

[@Bombastian1230]

8 bots...

[@user-vo9kd2pc5f]

I feel so bad for you-

[@swiatowidciesslak6249]

Or skip Film Theory episode.

[@the_big_5_is_the_goat]

@Тhе Gаmе Тhеоrists 🅥 bots domt have bots

[@alexab913]

It amazes me how this scandal can be so badly portrayed. The Try Guys actions were basically the perfect example of how to handle this type of situation. As soon as they were aware of the problem the worked continuously behind the scenes to solve it the correct and legal way and when it finally started to gain attention in the public domain made a video explaining the situation and explaining what they did and why before the story was twisted too much by speculation.

[@moviemaker2011z]

Except that they fired only one person instead of both. The production manager should have been fired also.

[@thatsn0tverycashm0ney88]

@@moviemaker2011z they legally can't or she could sue

[@moviemaker2011z]

@@thatsn0tverycashm0ney88 they legally could and she could not. Why should she be allowed to keep her job for being a part of the affair? She knew the rules and still violated them. She is just as guilty.

[@xx_jason_blaze_it_xxy1837]

@@moviemaker2011z but she can say that the employer exploited her with his job position. There would have to be unnecessary drama from there that no one wants. As matpat has said, they , the try guys, are businessman and they know the risk of whatever action they do, and ned took a big risk with the affair, he could have just said no to the affair.

[@Sleepy_Slytherin]

@@moviemaker2011z they literally could get sued. She could pull the victim card and say she was forced to bc Ned did in fact have power over her at work.

[@katherinepfister4177]

Oh my god. Thank you for bringing up the employee/ boss sexual misconduct aspect. That drove me crazy when I saw the skit. How they could have had it so backwards. I actually think Keith, zack, and Eugene handled this situation beautifully.

[@liviemillie6455]

What the media thinks of digital creators ... it's so ironic ... they're just projecting. The MEDIA functions by fundamentally lying to their impressionable and easily manipulated audience, they just call out youtubers cause the youtubers actually take a stand against their BS. Thank you, MatPat; you are incredible. We appreciate you.

[@dexnacorn7807]

sad that a rando youtuber has more honesty than all the media companies combined

[@brandonj7586]

@@dexnacorn7807 MatPat isn't really a "rando youtuber" anymore, hes the face of a very successful business, which I think that makes his honesty even more commendable. He knows his power as an infuencer and uses it for good.

[@dexnacorn7807]

@@brandonj7586 true very true

[@sylvy16]

@@brandonj7586 yes but the news media will still think of even the most successful youtubers as random people even if they are way more successful than many mainstream celebrities(not to mention how youtubers are way less problematic).

[@im_not_here_to_fight2744]

MatPat firing allll the shots at NYT and SNL is something I didn't know I needed. I am HERE FOR IT!!!

[@im_not_here_to_fight2744]

Thank you for all the likes!!! ♡

[@PaendaTube]

The fact that the food baby never got fired is astonishing Until both are fired not watching a single video of theirs again

[@aznmochibunny]

@@PaendaTube The thing is, they couldn't fire her even if they wanted to. If they fired her, it would give her a loophole to sue the guys. But it's looking like she might not even be employed there anymore since none of the Try Guys socials have any mention of her as staff.

[@cheeseoh]

@@PaendaTube like matpat said it's a wrongful extermination lawsuit at best. Even though she should be fired. She can easily say she was forced to by ned and easily put everyone out of a job

[@ItBePatYo]

I don't think I've ever seen MatPat this pissed off before... It's pretty scary.

[@cba.literallycant.]

Bro I got that same mini koala wtf lol

[@teresaellis7062]

Makes me glad he is on the side of good! 😊

[@disgustof-riley8338]

You haven't seen Mario is a Psychopath?

[@Shadow1Yaz]

Yeah, it is always terrifying when the level headed person loses it. My boyfriend is like that and brother, it is scary when men like MatPat and my BF get actually mad cuz someone dun FCKED up. It’s like a canary in a mine. It started screaming shts gone sideways. 😨

[@justagirl3989]

It also makes me so frustrated that they think the Try Guys WEREN'T genuinely upset that a guy they'd been friends with who spoke almost exclusively about his love for his wife did, well, that. Eugene looks like he's barely holding it together because of how pissed he is. And we all know, through consuming their media, that Eugene can actually hide facial expressions decently well. But he looked like he was going to flip his lid

[@ravenjane6000]

Matt missed the best part, how one of the people that wrote the SNL skit is a friend of Ned's from Yale and a lot of people believe that Ned was the one that thought up the idea to get his friend to trash the other guys to take the heat off of Ned but he forgot that he name dropped said friend on an episode of The Try Pod as Will Stephen.

[@Saphia_]

I think he deliberately omitted it to instead focus on the problematic aspects of this whole situation. Yes, the fact that Ned had a friend in SNL who wrote a sketch trivializing a power imbalance relationship mixed with infidelity as 'kissed a girl and didn't tell his friends' is important (and kinda funny) in the context of the situation but even if it wasn't written by his friend, the sketch would be equally bad. And I think he wanted to keep that as the main point.

[@onipot9639]

Yeh I noticed this, I think he left it out as it's an unverified accusation. I mean ..it's almost definitely true, but we can't confirm that ned was involved in anyway.

[@Darke_Exelbirth]

If true, probably changes this from "corporate media not understanding youtube again" to "deliberate attempt at slander."

[@kiminimuchu__]

Because that's speculation and more drama, and MatPat was clearly not focusing on the drama. "a lot of people believe" doesn't make it definitely true and only adds fuel to the drama, which wasn't Mat's point at all. He focused on the actual skit, not the unproved rumors behind it.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

@@Darke_Exelbirth Not to mention some higher ups at SNL are currently tying to bury an actual current sexual assault case at one of them. It's a whole system there.

[@katiejohnson3571]

I also think part of the reason SNL made the try guys the villain instead of Ned is because Ned has friends who are writers in the show, and they didn’t want to make him look bad

[@bararobberbaron859]

They had such a chance to show that even if we are/were friends, what you did isn't okay and we are going to mock you for it. But noooo, they went this way instead.

[@jules6578]

Not just Ned, Alex had met many of the snl crew as a vip once.

[@brandipityha9457]

How is Ned the bad guy though? He cheated in his wife, but that's not his company/employees problem.

[@onigirl05]

@@brandipityha9457 it is because the person who he cheated with was a employee at the company, and that directly ties the company to the scandal. Besides I believe employee x employee romance is forbidden in the work place, it's now in the legal business

[@talwyn_cc]

@@brandipityha9457 Ned put the company's brand in jeopardy.

[@user-dx8nj7qj2g]

if ned had an affair with someone who wasn't apart of the company, he'd still have his job, this realistically had NOTHIGN todo with the fact it was an affair, and entirely todo with the fact it was a romantic relationship between employee and co-founder which caused a bad power balance, and opened the company up to potentially very serious legal action if things didn't work out, or issues arised.

[@carnuatus]

I kind of wonder if he would, though. It's not the same as a normal media personality. He made his persona "the wife guy." His wife and family were even involved in his endeavors. I agree that he would have been less likely to be fired but to say he would not be fired at all... Considering the persona he put forward and how he's pursued his career, I'm not so sure. I feel like fans would have called for his firing, honestly. It seems like he's a scummy person apart from questionable relationships with subordinates and I feel like The Try Guys might have wanted to distance themselves from that.

[@lifenote1943]

True, I think it would sour their relationships as friends though, and I'm not sure what the right way would be to handle it.

[@miau6451]

I think that even if Ned cheated with someone outside of the company the Try Guys would have still fired him. The whole character (as he portrayed himself on the channel) he brought to the table was him being a "loving husband" dedicated to his lovely wife and kids. Cheaters don't fit that character.

[@chrishansen8119]

Nah, Ned would've been gone no matter who he cheated with. Of course, him getting together with an employee did not help his case, but his whole brand on the try guys was "I love my wife" that brand is broken, he doesn't provide a shtick to the group after that except bad media coverage.

[@greenbeantm1096]

@@miau6451 I don’t think they would have had a case to fire him if it wasn’t an employee. It definitely would have made the work environment uncomfortable tho so he might have left/stopped appearing in videos

[@jemmaisweird]

i didnt watch this for days bc i thought it was mat attacking the apology video, but then i listened to the pod and heard keith speak highly of it and now i realize i misunderstood. great video

[@krismonzalez9482]

Is it okay if you type out the title of the podcast episode please? I know about the TryPod but I don’t know the exact episode.

[@goodnight-moon564]

@@krismonzalez9482 It’s the latest one, I think it’s something like ‘Eugene’s romance corner’, (I don’t remember exactly though). Keith mentions it at the end when they’re talking about what they’re thankful for

[@OAelfric]

This is why Matt and Steph are the teachers to new businesses. Not only a content creator and teacher but also a businessman with ethics and morals. "Old man matpatt " is an industry veteran that KZbin and other organizations should listen to and use as references in business altogether. Thank you for the in depth news and clarification mat.

[@coltman18322k2]

It was eye-opening to see how many Yale graduates that are on SNLs writing staff were friends with Ned, made the sketch make more sense as PR for him

[@MaxLennon]

For real. That "sketch" could have passed itself off as a direct examination in a civil trial. "Was the affair non-consensual?" "No. He... (had) a consensual KISS!" Give me a break.

[@alexakawaii8440]

That's a big yikes. Hopefully people don't side with ned honeslty

[@lola_waterton]

I'm sure it has already been said but the SNL sketch was written by Bowen Yang and Ned's best friend from college, could that be the reason his horrific behavior was minimized?

[@falconawesome]

I remember in the past that the Try Guys were one of the few KZbinrs who had gained a lot of widespread legitimacy. Their reputation was pristine, they were professional, brand friendly, and family friendly. I wasn’t at all surprised when they were picked up by the Food Network for a TV show for that reason. I think that BECAUSE they helped legitimize online content creators they are now being targeted by more traditional media outlets in a larger attempt to discredit the broader online community. If they can make it seem through this incident that the Try Guys never deserved their popularity and respect, they can make it seem like “see this is why you should never trust online creators. They’re immature. More likely to get into scandal. They are just popular, but not a good long term investment for your brand versus more stable old guard media companies.” I do think the Me Too movement and the skeletons in their closet play into this, but I still feel like that’s not enough to justify the so odd, out of touch responses by The NY Times and SNL. It makes more sense to me as a business strategy designed to paint content creators as unstable brands on the whole, trying to get investors to go back to traditional media, like traditional media is the stock market and online content creators are penny stocks. Sure you might get your ad to more viewers, but how will you feel when the online creator releases immature content that is then reflected onto your brand? Thought of this during MatPat’s beautiful rant.

[@LadyScaper]

Looking up their history, SNL habitually supports sexual abusers, and they refused to do a skit on Weinstein at all. SNL does not surprise me with defending Ned, especially knowing he has 2 writer friends who work there. What is appalling is NYT, which broke the Weinstein story. Entertainment journalists had been trying to get a victim to talk for 20 years! NYT made it happen! For NYT to support Ned…that is absolutely deplorable and I feel some rich person put them up to it. I have noticed that before. They once wrote an article about a rich brat who broke quarantine while visiting another country. No one bleeping cared except her rich family who had connections to NYT.

[@SuzieClemme]

I saw the thumbnail and was horrified that Mattpat was going to do some wacky theory video. So relieved and pleasantly surprised

[@frostyskeletons8950]

Originally, the thumb nail was of the SNL sketch IIRC. I’m guessing changing it promotes more clicks from people who need to hear this perspective

[@somerandomhumanbeingonthei1924]

Facts I got so scared, I’m glad he talks about this though

[@LilBruno63]

I was worried too! I almost avoided it. But I'm glad the vid went in this direction.

[@somerandomhumanbeingonthei1924]

@@LilBruno63 honestly the only reason I clicked was because I was SURE that Mat wouldn’t actually feel that way towards the Tri Guys, having watched him for so long I was hopeful that he was coming at this informed and objectively, and I was not disappointed

[@nastjuschechka]

I don't know how this guy is and was weirded out by the thumbnail in my recommended. Did not want to watch the video, just went to the comments to see what is it all about.

[@teeleaf9252]

I wasn't expecting Matt to say anything about this, but I remember when the Try Guys did the podcast ep explaining everything Zach said he had to lie to Matt in his face and act like everything is fine , so to see Dadpat come out in full force really really warms my heart. The internet really knows how to have each other's back when we need to; especially with this entire situation going down. I'm just blown away by how mainstream media had the perfect opportunity to showcase this in a better light and even help pave the way forward with what the Try Guys did with holding Ned accountable, but nooooooooo it just screams jealousy imo, honestly for as old as the industry is you'd think they wouldn't need to grow up but here we are. Thank you for bringing these disgusting media outlets to the couch and giving them a good talking to Dadpat.

[@jamesrogers7049]

As a dad myself, I love the idea of Dadpat. You love your kids so you’ll go to bat for them. It’s pretty sweet I won’t lie.

[@poopermcdoody1582]

@@jamesrogers7049 that's such an adorable way to think about it

[@SageShadows]

Why did he lie to him? What is the context here?

[@capriccio9294]

They we’re working on removing Ned from the company, but the whole scandal hadn’t blown up yet (only handfuls of witnesses knew). So for legal reasons their hands were tied and they couldn’t speak about it. Honestly, don’t typically watch their podcasts but it was an enlightening listen.

[@ladyredl3210]

I didn’t know I needed Matt articulately yelling about how out of touch the media is but it’s amazing. Thank you Matpat you’re a good dude.

[@DarkDragon1889]

Now that this video is almost a year old, I have some conjecture to add since around this time of year YT likes to push older content: Ned mentioned in one of the podcast videos (can't remember which) that one of his college buddies from Yale worked as a writer on SNL, and how he was hoping to use that connection at some point to get the guys on the show. He never mentioned that friend by name, but the sleuths of the internet could easily find the name of this friend, and cross-reference it with the writing credits of that sketch. Considering that the sketch doesnt mention Ned by name at all and completely villifies the Try Guys for a common-sense business decision, I wouldnt be surprised if he called in a favor to that friend in an attempt to tarnish the brand that he was no longer a part of. 🤔

[@dr.kikipsychnp5731]

I’m 53, my husband is 58. We love the Try Guys. I’ve been watching since the beginning. Our 17 yr olds watch them with us. The media coverage is BS. SNL pissed me off so badly. I’m so happy you did this video!

[@maritime9297]

This is so wholesome ♥

[@harlepas]

SNL is a comedy show. You don't like their comedy then don't laugh or watch. The idea that you would think along with MatPat that comedians would write a skit where all of the historical aspects of the skit are 100 accurate shows me you are a woke social justice warrior. Was the SNL skit funny? Maybe or maybe not. But, they had a right to poke fun of any public figure. And yes, facts are not necessary in making a joke.

[@jordan_s717]

Why do I feel like we were all on a group project at school together and Matpat just did all the work for us?

[@Roeclean]

If you align yourself with the news outlet I suppose

[@elenmelon18]

Because he did.

[@B1_224]

That's why in lunch break we buy him food for days

[@pineapplerr]

I put my work in. I looked up a source.

[@jonathanmarleau1322]

Cus he did

[@galliumg8483]

Mentioning them being New York Times bestselling authors is killer against the NYC’s argument

[@ghostsontrains7629]

the thing was, they were friends AND buisness partners, keiths wife and neds wife were friends the guys regularly watched neds kids, ned was their friend and co owner which must have stung so much to know someone who they were friends with and trusted enough to start a buisness with would betray them, their employees, their company, and put them in a position of potential lawsuit

[@clarawebster02468]

the what happened video was the first genuine "apology" type video i have ever seen. they have been far more accountable for their ex co worker than many creators have been for themselves. i wish this video was praised more and this behavior be expected and respected so that we would see more of it in the media

[@tomdaturtle5792]

Pewdipie apologizing for saying the N word was a pretty good apology.

[@notwillinglyaloof]

@@tomdaturtle5792 stop the cap 💀💀

[@dariosilvestri473]

Can it be called an Apology Video if the only person that did something "wrong" is not even in the video?

[@notwillinglyaloof]

@@dariosilvestri473 why the “ ? it’s very wrong. it’s workplace sexual harassment and is very wrong

[@dariosilvestri473]

@@notwillinglyaloof if the relationship was consensual it's at worst sexual misconduct not harrasment. And my question was about the fact that the video is not an apology because the people that should be apologising os not even in the video.

[@ThePhl4ever]

The head writer of the SNL skit was also Ned's really good friend and tried to make Ned to be the good guy in the situation.

[@yuzu-tsuyu]

...yeahhh, I thought it was weird that SNL acknowledged they know what's on KZbin, especially immediately after ripping off a KZbin video.

[@nicky740]

And Alex has a friend that works at SNL too

[@megami7373]

makes sense

[@jenrosejenrose7417]

that makes it both more understandable and *worse*

[@luckymark571]

Not the head writer* but yeah

[@courtneysalter339]

The emotions they tried not to show in the video spoke louder than anything else. Eugene’s anger could never be acting.

[@Jesus_loves_you_4225]

I remember the biggest thing that made me furious about the whole Ned situation, was because of his kids. His kids were fully in the picture when everything occurred, and they will most likely one day see all of the evidence that is against Ned and it will forever affect their relationship with him as a father. This didn’t just affect the 2nd Try LLC Company, but also an entire family and their future as well.

[@ACKRYL]

Honestly feeling bad for all of them because aside from being business partners, they legitimately seemed like they were all having fun back when I've been watching them.

[@octo1129]

they didn't only lose a member, they lost a friend...

[@just_jmello1479]

@@octo1129 nah man, they lost a family member

[@martianproductions997]

I think thats why the video left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths (I dont like how I worded that either but Im going with it) I think a lot of people see friendship as something sacred and guys especially have things like "bro codes" where it is implied that they have each others backs even if the world turns on them. A lot of people dont care about the controversy as much as the betrayal of friendship shown in the video because nobody really knows for sure what the details of the consensual relationship was BUT everyone knows how close the tryguys were (see other comments above calling them family). And a lot of people probably feel like they would not have done the same in their shoes. I know that it would take a LOT for me to drag one of my friends across the internet to save my brand and this controversy would not make the cut. Maybe I would have asked him to leave the channel to save it and the jobs of everyone involved but I dont think I would have made that video.

[@phoenixshadow4631]

I think that the worst part is that Ned was friends and business partners with the other Try Guys and more importantly knew that this could affect them not only on a personal level but because he was the head of HR and in a relationship with a lower level employee which is a situation just rife with issues that could've very easily sunk the company and all of its employees financial lives. He knew not only that his actions could've hurt the business but would definitely have hurt his close friends who were also friends of his wife, and in the case of Eugene specifically someone who had suffered through being a child of divorce something Ned has now forced on his own daughter by making his own poor decisions. There's a reason why in that announcement Eugene was utterly pissed looking and it's because he knows some of the issues that Ned's daughter will encounter because of this from his own experience of a broken family.

[@emilyhedrick2851]

Exactly. This isn't even about cheating or branding or any of that. This is about problematic workplace behavior.

[@dianet3994]

This was very important. A businessman calling that sexual misconduct and predatory behavior for what it is. Love this so much thank u💓

[@Molly-fk3ey]

You hit the nail on the head. The Try Guys holding themselves accountable and taking sexual misconduct seriously is a threat to more established media companies and outlets everywhere. SNL, NYT, and other organizations with decades of skeletons in their closets have to either step up and follow the new model set by the Try Guys or try to invalidate that model by making fun of them. It's a lot cheaper to do the latter.

[@LadyScaper]

NYT of all outlets. Especially when they expect everyone to respect them for breaking the story that Weinstein was a serial rapist.

[@grunclestanwannabe367]

Where was the sexual misconduct? If anything that notion is highly sexist. Constantly victimizing women refusing to entertain the idea that maybe she initiated it.

[@mazzanda]

@@grunclestanwannabe367 Power dynamics. Ned was the boss. The employee was an underling. Ned held the power in having the potential to take her job away or making her life miserable if he didn’t get his way. She did not have that power. This is the same for all companies - it’s an ethical and moral issue.

[@cindy-de4ed]

@@grunclestanwannabe367 Holding men accountable is not a sexist notion and it’s sexual misconduct because Ned had an extramarital affair with his EMPLOYEE. Also nobody is victimising Alex, everyones just pointing out that Ned was the one in a position of power meaning there’s an innate power imbalance whether Alex initiated it or not. Of course Alex is not blameless, but as the boss Ned had a bigger responsibility to not engage in the affair.

[@dragonlord1935]

@@mazzanda Yes, because a woman using charm or seduction to get a higher position in life NEVER happens (/s) and in case it does happen it's apparently the man's fault for falling prey to that sort of thing instead of it being the woman's fault for resorting to underhanded and non-professional conduct in the first place. You seem to be getting things backwards here, that "power imbalance" is the whole reason why a situation like this needs to be handled with careful scrutiny and BOTH parties' perspectives have to be thoroughly examined seriously because power can be extremely tempting to people who don't have it and said people can resort to underhanded means to get closer to that power. I'm not saying that this is definitely the situation and it's the fault of any one party, I'm just saying that people shouldn't be quick to make one sided blanket assumptions about anyone involved in any potentially sensitive situation. This is also ESPECIALLY true if it has anything to do with mainstream media or celebrities because then it quickly devolves into a game of Chinese whispers and who can scream the loudest or shell out the most money to record their take and present it as the gospel truth.

[@tyriquesmith8850]

Hypocrisy is one of the most genuinely frustrating things, especially when it's a large group of people blinded by their own delusions of grandeur.

[@niloofardordahan6915]

Amazing video. As a business owner and manager, I was so stressed for them when the rumors first started but they handled it as any good executive/shareholder should. Mainstream media is clearly threatened by content creators as is evident by their unhinged cover of this. This wasn't a scandal for 2nd try LLC. This was a scandal for Ned and a show of professionalism by the company.

[@fernandothefabulousfox4827]

If MatPat made a like drama series where he just explains drama that happens I would watch it, anyways great video and thank you for explaining everything!! I don't watch the Try Guys and had no idea what was really going on.

[@Archfiend_Sushi7746]

The way she said that they’re mad he had a “side-hoe” and totally trivializes cheating and marriage in general just depresses me. This is where we are, where cheating seems commonplace now.

[@AndroidPuka]

I remember when my friend sent me the article and then talked about the SNL sketch. We were both creeped out and straight up dumbfounded. It's so weird to see something like that in mainstream media, no matter how corrupt we all know it is. It was just blatant disregard for something nearly everyone turns into a pack of rabid wolves over.

[@csales76]

I think that belies a lot about the toxicity of her workplace environment.

[@henrystark3746]

I think you mean annoys you rather than depresses you. I would be concerned if you got a mental illness over internet drama

[@Thnkrgames]

cheating has been common place for all of human history.

[@AstralBelt]

@@Thnkrgames So has murder. What is your point, unless you're trying to justify it?

[@ameliadavidson360]

And MatPat shows once again why I couldn't stomach the journalism industry anymore after graduating college and why I love his channels so much.

[@amazinggrace5692]

You can tell the genuine emotions of the guys in the couch. They are upset, sad, and angry in turn. You can’t fake the genuine, you know it when you see it.

[@jenrosejenrose7417]

Yeah, I'm 50 and have watched the Try Guys since early buzzfeed days and you hit all the nails right in the kisser on this one.

[@ylwolfy]

I really appreciate how well you explained why Ned was fired. Not because he had an affair, but because he was sleeping with someone he had power over and without certain legal protections it can get really messy and end very badly for the company. Best to let him go and move on.

[@The1Ryu]

Ya and that's why people are making fun of it. The reality is that on a intuitive emotional level people know that it's normal to find partners among those you work with. No amount of current year finger wagging is going to change normalcy. Just like no matter of modern day disrespect for the institution of marriage is going to change that people know that betraying one commitment to their partner is abhorrent and focusing on the former over the latter is gong to get you made fun of by people at large.

[@AI-dp3rd]

@@The1Ryu The head of HR slept with an employee - the liability & potential for abuse is huge. That’s what happened. This wasn’t a case of coworkers finding romance or whatever strawman you’ve set up. The company’s other three founders/owners could have lost everything, through no fault of their own.

[@The1Ryu]

@@AI-dp3rd The fact that all you know how to do when you are challenged is to repeat word-for-word what an authority figure has said rather than grapple with an opposing idea is why you and people like you are called NPCs. You don't know how to think for yourself so no matter what people say to you they will get the same reply over and over again.

[@ylwolfy]

@@The1Ryu Nothing wrong with finding a partner among those you work with. The problem is that he was in a position of power over her. The problem was with him being in that power position its easy for her to sue on a lot of different grounds related to sexual harrasment and that would hurt the company. People aren't taking the company seriously as being an actual company that has responsibilities. If he had come forward with the relationship a long time ago, been public and had some paperwork written up with HR saying that its mutual and consensual and both parties agree to no legal actions if the relationship goes south, then it wouldn't have been an issue. And the only issue with they would have with him not being faithful to his wife has nothing to do with "the sanctity of marriage" or whatever, but purely that he built a brand around one personality and betrayed that brand

[@The1Ryu]

@@ylwolfy 1) you are still just repeating the NPC dialogue that Matpat programed you with. 2) If she was causing such a risk to the viability of the company then why wasn't she let go as well?

[@JaeyunYD05]

Tri guys: *being friends with Ned for 8 years, building a company together and thinking they'll be friends forever* Ned: *cheats* Tri guys: *Devastated* NY Times: They were pressured to a p p e a r distressed

[@mage1439]

Also, pressured by who? They literally own the company. They don't answer to anybody.

[@firesong1817]

@@mage1439 I think the article said they were "pressured" by the fans/audience.

[@csales76]

What MSM is failing to point out is that, for a lot of people, their wedding vows are sacrosanct. So if someone is capable of breaking those, it stands to reason they wouldn't hesitate to do other unethical things, particularly to benefit themselves, even at the detriment of the company. But of course MSM won't point that out when a lot of the higher-ups make Ned look like a boy scout with their shenanigans.

[@NikkiBudders]

@@csales76 it definitely doesn't help that Ned's entire brand is centered around him being an adoring family-man who loves his wife and kids. I didn't believe any of the photos or evidence until the try guys addressed it in the couch video because I believed he wasn't capable of it. I was genuinely shocked learning this family role-model of a man who I adored as a content creator for a long time, destroy everything he had build to bang some random woman. Unfortunately this also makes it hard to watch videos with Ned in them.

[@micah_eagle]

When I heard about the scandal when it was fresh, I was hurt and kinda annoyed because I thought “he’s not going to take any accountability, is he? He’s gonna get away with this and not suffer consequences just like every company…” because it happens so often. A company you trust has a scandal such as this and it’s forgotten in a week, swept under the rug with everyone disappointed but not surprised by the outcome. But when the Try Guys posted that video, sat down on the couch and explained everything from legal steps they took, to what was affected and lost by this event, all the way down to how they’re going to move forward with Ned removed from the picture entirely, I was relieved. They didn’t just swallow their pride to sit down and say that someone in their company didn’t share their integrity or align with their goals, they sat down and actively spoke out against it, being honest about the hit they’ve taken and what they’ve now lost because of Ned. It was down to earth and real. It felt much better to hear them sit down and tell us what happened instead of posting vague tweets and videos without Ned. Their editors were even going and working hard to remove Ned entirely from videos. A “Without a recipe” video had Ned replaced with an Elephant, so fans could still watch the videos, and not have to see him. It’s truly the people protecting Ned in the news outlets who are putting themselves on blast and trying to redirect fire by thinking that the younger people are stupid and will believe anything they say. They’re protecting Ned and trying to make the other guys look like the ones in the wrong and making it blatantly obvious that they’re covering up their own scandals. They’ve done themselves in so easily.

[@Alysan85dra]

The snl sketch was actually written by a friend of Ned

[@KPX01]

This is such a high quality roast, mainstream media really need to be called out more for all their behavior.

[@Akorune]

Agreed.

[@Courser]

In my class at school we are doing articles about how the media portrays people badly, cuts information, vague answers and such, this video is the perfect example calling out media and click bait authors who can't tell a true story for the life of them.

[@andrewswander4345]

Perfect timing 😏😏😏😏

[@urahara64360]

Yeah I've been distrustful of MSM since the 90s with the satanic panic.

[@LazyArtist875]

I think Ned also has a friend/old classmate that's a writer at SNL so it would make sense that they took his side

[@youdontknowme236]

Will Stephen

[@liddytheweeb]

Ned having a friend that’s a writer for SNL certainly doesn’t make them look good either. Not only was the take bad, but there’s a personal connection to those involved which is even worse because they’re clearly taking sides. SNL has been on the downward spiral for a while now, but that skit was the nail in their coffin.

[@jandm4ever716]

Tbh the people I feel the most bad for is Ned and Ariel’s kids. Not only did their dad cheat on their mom, they also have to grow up with millions of people knowing about it and having it documented online

[@musicallymindedlove]

We should also note that one of the writers for that SNL sketch is Yale buddies with Ned, so of course they wouldn't put him in a bad light and therefore will skew it as much as possible to make his friend look like the good guy. This sketch was literally a guy who didn't hold his friend accountable for cheating and a workplace affair making fun of the friends who did

[@Olav_Hansen]

Kinda indicates the kind of trash that's really there on the other side of the tv screen. KZbinrs make so much content with so few people that it's hard to hide their personality. Tv producers don't have that, and more and more are outted as horrible people.

[@donutchan8114]

I feel like matpat should've pointed this out, the writer is essentially slandering the tri guys while ignoring that Ned literally betrayed everyone, then again they're probably desensitized to sexual scandals hence why they're so ready to side with the cheater.

[@Freyalise50]

@@donutchan8114 I actually think matpat did that intentionally and it was the right choice. He kept the video strictly to the business side of why they did what they did to exemplify that how they felt did not matter at all. Are the Try Guys friends in real life? It certainly appears so, but the detonation of that friendship ultimately has no bearing on the business actions they took. By staying purely business focused it cuts the poor takes off at the knees and destroys any credibility they might have. Additionally dragging in other people that he doesn't know their intent (no matter how obvious it may look) opens himself to accusations of slander. There may be way too many coincidences for the writers actions to be a coincidence, but that doesn't make it proof.

[@megi_mcdink12]

Absolutely the best video on the situation and the only one the Guys themselves actually mentioned. They mentioned it on their podcast and said it was the best explanation of everything and MatPat even had the decency to tell them he was doing it first. This did not disappoint and I feel like I just got all of my frustration with media coverage out by watching MatPat take out his lol

[@kelley3660]

Thank you for covering how the media portrayed it. This needed to be said.

[@lairagoot]

I love how furious Matt is about how the whole thing has been covered. It bothered me really badly too, I just couldn’t frame it as eloquently as he has

[@Hannacalebclark]

The Try Guys handled this with such professionalism and integrity, and the internet has recognized that and appreciated that in new media we do the right thing. I think it's very telling how traditional media has reacted to all this.

[@cassidyr.4614]

You're not kidding. I was so pleasantly surprised with the fact that the try guys were as transparent and professional as they were, addressing the issue on their podcast, main channel, and social media accounts. I have never seen such respect and care in how these issues are handled and I saw this as a positive sign of change.

[@houseofaction]

@@cassidyr.4614 it was still alll an act, there is absolutely no way they didn't know about the affair and only responded because people came out and said they saw it happening.

[@singingbeaker]

@@houseofaction But the legal reprecussions still exist regardless of it blowing up or not, alex could still claim wrongful termination if she got let go and everyone in the company would be labelled implicit enablers of Ned.

[@singingbeaker]

@@houseofaction The guys said on their podcast they contacted third-party lawyers and HR professionals to defuse the situation as carefully as possible so that they can preserve the livelihoods and careers of themselves and the whole company.

[@singingbeaker]

@@houseofaction If you assume that silence is the default reaction and course of action within a company in light of a scandal, it definitely should not be and needs to change.

[@aemiller12]

I always appreciate Matt's thoughtful takes on these issues. Agree with you completely and thanks for sharing. Listening to him talk like this makes me miss GTeaLive

[@hifelicia615]

Thank you for this, MatPat. You hit the nail on the head with surgical precision imo. My family loves the Try Guys. We've watched all their content since the first one. My kid was 8 when they uploaded their debut as a group. The Try Guys are knit into my son's childhood. He was angry at Ned when he heard the news. We got a great talk out of the news about loyalty, honesty, consent, and power dynamics. It was a great learning experience for our family. I wish others would choose to learn from it too. We hold the remaining Try Guys in the highest regard. They did the right thing with boldness. Their response actions should be the new standard of the bare minimum level of transparency that corporations owe the public. And if you disagree with me, "I'm right, you're wrong, shut up." ❤

[@haunted.doll.s]

How has matpat gone from the “wild theory guy” to the “one of the only reliable mainstream sources to cover and make sense of media coverage of online events guy”

[@AK-bf2ho]

Right?!

[@Nightingale_time]

You should check out Philip DeFranco

[@entr3_nou5]

That’s the hidden 4th channel he hasn’t told us about yet

[@orangeapples]

But remember that time he "gifted" the pope by gifting him a copy of Undertale? What a KZbin Prankster.

[@Skillfullfilms89]

@@orangeapples really? you're going there? what a troll.

[@MelancholyMoondancer]

In all of this, I feel so bad for Ariel and family for what Ned did.

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

Thing is we have no clue what was going on in their relationship. Maybe theirs is an open one? It really wasn't anyone's business (aside from the whole workplace issue thing).

[@catherunrose2289]

@@ZiddersRooFurry in open relationships you talk to your partner, not just go to whoever. You can still cheat in open relationships.

[@LittleZbot]

@@catherunrose2289 This is completely true. However, from what I understand, Ned wasn't "going to whoever." He had a very specific relationship with one individual, which makes this case far more likely to be from a consensual, open relationship. I mean, it raises the chances from, like, 0.5% to 2%, but, still.

[@catherunrose2289]

@@LittleZbot It's not consensual with Ariel. Open relationships aren't "Well we're open and me and this person is okay with it so we can." It's asking your partner(s), working together(no matter how many people are in it, which was in this case was a marriage.) It doesn't matter if it's open or if (in this case) Ned and Alex are okay with it unless Ariel is ALSO okay with it. The only thing Alex and Ned consenting does is say Ned wasn't abusing Alex(or reversed.)

[@sybinn3920]

@@catherunrose2289 you are misunderstanding what theyre saying, we dont know whether or not Ariel consented or did not consent to it in the case that the relationship was open. Everyone knows that you need to clear it with your partner in an open relationship.

[@73Stargazer]

What the remaining try guys did, to handle the whole situation, earned massive respect from me. The fact that they took something like that so seriously was awesome. And also broke my heart that I was surprised they even did anything about it. Not them specifically, but any media company responding to concerning evidence with an appropriately decisive act

[@geekgirl_luv4262]

Ned’s writer friend at SNL making sure to say “no this affair was CONSENSUAL, he shared a CONSENSUAL kiss” combined with Ned’s instagram apology saying “I had a _consensual_ workplace relationship” just sounds incredibly defensive

[@Mopark25]

Yeah it's great that it was consensual but it wasn't really the issue, weird to put so much focus on that.

[@geekgirl_luv4262]

@@Mopark25 it feels like they’re trying to minimize the issues around a head of the company having an affair with an employee

[@How_Many_Monkeys]

I really hope this is how MatPat has serious convos with his son, and always end it with, “But hey, that’s just a theory. A Dad Theory!”

[@Saphia_]

As a former child, if my dad did that, I'd appreciate it a lot lol.

[@isaacolukanni]

@Seeing Star Dude why?

[@wilkokeepitonehundee5801]

Andddd im getting milk!

[@coolioscor4082]

That would be adorable!

[@NoopyP]

omg yes

[@thomasstratton6319]

Matpat needs to make the final theory channel Media Theory! Where he gets to sit, talk, roast, and correct the media on everything they're doing wrong from news articles to sports coverage and more

[@SomeGuy86780]

I read that as Meta Theory at first.

[@capture_diaries]

That's a good title too. Media theorising about media :)

[@greenbookreclaim2471]

I know you have a lot of faith in Mat and his buds but making a channel like that would be too much hassle. Just make a couch time play list and leave it at that.

[@thomasstratton6319]

@@greenbookreclaim2471 oh 100% they'd have to expand to make it happen. They do so much as it as

[@hope-cat4894]

The media will just go for the jugular and attack his family, sadly. They are brutal and really don't like KZbinrs calling them out for their nonsense.

[@gabzsy4924]

I'm honestly very pleasantly surprised Matt. I never thought I'd sit 20 minutes listening to you talking about internet drama, but your points and reflections are spot on and very well put. I watched the whole thing in one sitting and didn't even notice the time going by. Great content.

[@summerjaffe1757]

i’m so happy you made this video. when i first saw the title i thought you were going to blame the guys. thank you for doing the right thing and not making them in the wrong. they did the right thing

[@bingdiggus8579]

It's also kinda weird to me that the media companies are in defense of someone who did something legitimately bad, and try to make fun of the friends/coworkers that are angry with them. I'd be so angry to learn that one of my closest friends was cheating on the person they promised their entire life to.

[@lukassmith9863]

If they put blame on the actual wrongdoer, then questions start being asked about larger companies. And of course those larger companies dish out the money to keep media from bringing up those questions.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

If you get angry at your friends for doing bad things every time, you won’t have any friends. I presume the mainstream media companies are so toxic they have to know that out of necessity.

[@bingdiggus8579]

@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana idk, I think it's pretty hard to forgive someone who cheats on their wife. Its such a huge breach of trust and speaks volumes about someone's character. Those aren't the people I'd want to surround myself with.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

@@bingdiggus8579 If you dig enough into someone, you’ll find some dirt somewhere.

[@__aa__]

right? even though they're business partners, theyre still friends with each other. they get along and their interactions are natural, so theyre still going to be hurt on a personal level when they find out their partner/friend cheated on his wife.

[@D2attemp]

Ned also has lots of friends that are writers on SNL, that's why they sided with him

[@BorisVida]

16:45 I agree, because the way they say it (media) is saying the try guys are just salty, which is implying Ned is good wich is just more bad reputation on top of already bad reputation

[@RainebowEvee]

Important to note that in the trypod episode addressing some of this, they said that Ned actually has connections to one of the writers of SNL which may have contributed to the problematic skit. As a kid I always felt like I was missing out by not watching SNL but now I'm glad not to have been exposed to that kind of toxic garbage.

[@jamesryder8305]

Nah, SNL is amazing. Don't let one bad apple ruin the premise of live comedy for you. Because there's a lot of good, up and coming talent off there, and good representation as well. Has been for the past 6 years or so. And who doesn't like Kenan Thompson?

[@periwinklesprinkles]

some of snl is very good and some is very bad. whether you would like to consume and enjoy the good separately from the bad or stay away from it entirely is up to you but i just thought i would let you know

[@z0is0i]

@@jamesryder8305 bro they literally steal skits lmao

[@mikkurzhal7390]

Apparently two of the writers of SNL, one of whom is a head writer, are best friends with Ned from college, and Ned has admitted at one point that he'd absolutely choose his college friends over the Try Guys.

[@momatrucker703]

When I was a kid, we loved watching SNL until they did a cartoon/live action special where at the end the animated superhero tells a couple of live action guys that in order to go to this special place, they had to be blindfolded and they also have to strip off all their clothes. My brother was trying to imitate them and my mom saw him do this and she punished us both by not allowing us to watch SNL anymore. We saw it again as we got older but it's not as funny when ur older. SNL is kinda up there with Family Guy in the crude humor. Just something to watch when u feel juvenile.

[@abbykoziel5154]

I had no idea how bad Zach, Keith, and Eugene had it so bad. I feel awful for them. If you ask me they were in the right with this whole situation

[@Matt-pd5dh]

you said bad two times

[@NaBa.3.]

@@Matt-pd5dh it was bad enough to warrant the second bad.

[@____Carnage____]

@@Matt-pd5dh that’s how bad it was

[@hashtagmate]

Uhm yes duh? Obviously they were right

[@beeirony4130]

Obviously

[@mariaya13]

Just because of this video, I am following this channel! Well done man! Kudos to you!

[@t1tca]

That final statement you made was so powerful. This should ABSOLUTELY be the new norm. Transparency is soooo key

[@lord_kimkichi]

I'm glad Matpat and the team took the time to go over this and expose the senseless coverage the media has done about this situation. Inmense respect to the film theorists for coming forward for the Tri guys

[@caroline.m]

Thank you Matt. It's honestly shocking that those articles dont acknowledge at all that Ned built his brand on being loyal to his wife and kids.

[@asyoz]

MatPat, there is one small thing you didn't mention with regard to SNL. Two of the writers there are Ned's friends. He mentioned one during a podcast, and his wife mentioned another during one of the Wives' podcasts. Other than that, your video was fantastic. Thank you for actually saying what most of us are thinking.

[@Void_Suzerain]

I love the idea that the news industry is terrified of MatPat and team theorist

[@fursonaless]

The remaining Try Guys handled the situation professionally. They were forced to get a video to explain the situation as the issue was arising many rumors just from reddit and tweets.

[@MagicalBread]

Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video.

[@IsThisUsernameAvailable]

Yeah, you clearly didn't watch the video

[@Just_Some_Gal]

heh heh

[@DissonantSynth]

Absolutely

[@brizzyvoices]

Few things bring me as much joy as a good MatPat rant. 👍👍

[@lachlainegordon806]

….omg Brizzy Voices! You were my childhood!!

[@g.c.4824]

Oi, Viola!!!

[@hjhgaming8634]

Wel said, Briz. Matt always seems to have well researched, and professional takes on things like this. SNl/NYT really messed up here

[@gudinesangelicau]

up also eyyyy I love ur content Brizzy!!!💖

[@cassynedelisky796]

His rage matches mine. And that’s comforting.

[@notlark650]

Open marriages are fine, there's communication and trust there. Having an affair is not ok; there's secrets, lies, breaking trust. One is you and your partner talking and coming to an agreement, the other is the cheater going behind their partners back in an act of pure selfishness. Even ignoring the legal stuff, what Ned did is just plain morally wrong